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  • @DiscGolfProTour
    @DiscGolfProTour  9 месяцев назад

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  • @jefft.7180
    @jefft.7180 9 месяцев назад +17

    Finally saw the replay. If you ever watch her interview at overthrow's podcast then you know she is a deeply calculated person in the way she thinks and approaches the game. That quick walk up is suuusss

    • @martinvanburensleftsidebur5329
      @martinvanburensleftsidebur5329 9 месяцев назад +9

      Exactly. I've watched her play a lot over the last two seasons, and she acted in an entirely different way than what I'm used to seeing. She 100% knew that disc did not cross in bounds.

    • @LetsChat
      @LetsChat 9 месяцев назад +5

      @@martinvanburensleftsidebur5329 She "played the game" rather than played the game. We all saw it. And now she has a trophy and the rep that comes with "playing the game." Play silly games, win silly prizes.
      And poisitive note, so happy ES is throwing and putting amazing. She's going to be a star. Also, just how good is Tattar. To lay up 18 knowing that the pressure would cause a situation--forcing the playoff against an opportunist, and taking a unhonorable loss in stride. People's champ.

  • @helpsomeoneelse
    @helpsomeoneelse 9 месяцев назад +18

    Why is there even a spotter if the judgement whether it crossed in bounds is up to the cardmates? The rules allow players to be biased and act silently in order to get an advantage.

    • @spakjoeXD
      @spakjoeXD 9 месяцев назад

      His job is to spot it. If he is not sure THEN it is up to the card.

  • @yangdynasty87
    @yangdynasty87 9 месяцев назад +21

    So if she did cross inbounds and went out of bounds on her tee shot why didn’t the spotter mark the spot with a flag? Isn’t that what they usually do? Instead she had to ask her card for the spot to play her lie?

  • @nicholasmoreno7904
    @nicholasmoreno7904 9 месяцев назад +30

    Happy for Handley, but that drive wasn’t in and with so much money on the line instant replay needs to be used. Any how, great event!

  • @nickrouthier2562
    @nickrouthier2562 9 месяцев назад +45

    Disc golf needs to get with the program like every major sport out there and do replays with video evidence. That is crazy that that is not reviewed especially with that being the last hole of a potential winner of a tournament. Stuff like that does not help legitimize the sport. If this were any other sport there would be several officials looking at this from every angle. I understand the funds lack in disc golf so there is only one camera angle but that was pretty clear that the disc didn't cross in bounds.

    • @subspaceanomaly
      @subspaceanomaly 9 месяцев назад

      disc golf isn't a major sport is it though, it's a bit of a joke sport which hardly anyone plays, where there are so few female players that you could be a pro by default. (I know one, she's not very good). Just because people are used to televised sports shouldn't mean disc golf should be like them. Disc golf will be worse if we go down that road.

    • @sebilledo
      @sebilledo 9 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@subspaceanomalyThen why are you creeping around the comment section for the sport?

    • @subspaceanomaly
      @subspaceanomaly 9 месяцев назад

      @@sebilledo because I play and love disc golf

    • @nickrouthier2562
      @nickrouthier2562 9 месяцев назад +2

      @@subspaceanomaly I disagree with your argument. Getting calls more correct will never hurt the sport.

    • @subspaceanomaly
      @subspaceanomaly 9 месяцев назад

      @@nickrouthier2562 disc golf is a nice hippie game that is self adjudicating, with rules to take account of scenarios like this one. It isn't perfect, but until we have a.i drones with lidar tech etc accompanying every round of disc golf being played it just isn't realistic to hope for technology to be used to judge disc outcomes, and unless you have lots of volunteers bringing their own equipment it would cost a fortune. It's just not worth the effort for the rare occasions that something happens. It's not the NBA or NFL.. it's a few weirdos chucking frisbees around in nature. Disc golf is its own thing.

  • @bucksinatra447
    @bucksinatra447 9 месяцев назад +24

    No question about it holyn didn't cross she knew it too

  • @CagoEman23
    @CagoEman23 9 месяцев назад +14

    Nice way to get your first big win. By cheating. It’s not like it was a blind shot and they were guessing. You could clearly see from the tee that it didn’t cross.

  • @anthonyjones4043
    @anthonyjones4043 9 месяцев назад +43

    They are gonna have to do something about these rulings...u cant leave it up to the players to rule on something they can't or dont wanna see...they wanna make us pay for their content then they should make it to where its not left up to the players to make a call in which someone ultimately wins or loses a tournament...they have the capability for replay just like any other sport does

  • @maxray29
    @maxray29 9 месяцев назад +16

    really cool how they were able to make the trophy match her shirt on such short notice! 😋

  • @spencerplizga3706
    @spencerplizga3706 9 месяцев назад +112

    Always hate to see a tournament end with a questionable ruling

    • @richardp6461
      @richardp6461 9 месяцев назад +5

      That was a questionable call.

    • @roberthoeg1964
      @roberthoeg1964 9 месяцев назад +18

      I agree but how the hell is missy the one to make that call,oh I know why because MG was already out of contention and I believe she's very jealous of kt but holyn deserves the win 🏆 🎉🎉

    • @EZPCNZ22
      @EZPCNZ22 9 месяцев назад +36

      Not questionable. She knew it never came inbounds and for that she isn't an honest golfer

    • @moelarry8088
      @moelarry8088 9 месяцев назад +26

      If you zoom in it seems pretty clear, at least to my eye, that it did not ever fall in bounds. Very unfortunate for the tournament.

    • @roberthoeg1964
      @roberthoeg1964 9 месяцев назад +16

      @@moelarry8088 your right, I replayed over and over again and it never touched in bound they need to do replay just like all other sports do,not handleys fault it's tournament directors fault that missy robbed kristin, bottom line.

  • @roberthoeg1964
    @roberthoeg1964 9 месяцев назад +4

    I don't understand why only the fans will talk about the elephant in the room on yesterday's debacle in the fpo,pretty sure pdga officials just want to forget about the legitimate failure of how tattar was robbed, instant replay should be implemented here 🤔.

  • @thomaswalker2537
    @thomaswalker2537 9 месяцев назад +37

    That was a very bad call on 18. Handly should’ve reteed for sure. Tattar got robbed😢

  • @alexarkin227
    @alexarkin227 9 месяцев назад +9

    Players should have no say, that’s what officials are for.

  • @user-jl8nd3cr1e
    @user-jl8nd3cr1e 9 месяцев назад +21

    Was rooting for Eveliina, she'll get them next time.

  • @ilikebacon.6483
    @ilikebacon.6483 9 месяцев назад +8

    horrible play on normal 18 for handly card what a joke rushing that ob toss

  • @wolfgangweber9359
    @wolfgangweber9359 9 месяцев назад +20

    I'm not blaming any of the players for how hole 18 was resolved. It must have been difficult to see and just imagine if KT +1 had called the shot to never cross, but replays would have shown that it did, what kind of reaction would she have gotten? Since this is something for players to consider, the call really shouldn't be up to them, disc golf has to get more professional with officials making these calls.

    • @martinvanburensleftsidebur5329
      @martinvanburensleftsidebur5329 9 месяцев назад +4

      KT wasn’t on the card with Holyn.

    • @wolfgangweber9359
      @wolfgangweber9359 9 месяцев назад

      @@martinvanburensleftsidebur5329 sorry, my mistake. The point still stands though, there are better solutions than having the players make these calls.

  • @adenoong77
    @adenoong77 9 месяцев назад +39

    The fact that the DGPT left the commentary about Handley's tee shot on 18 in this video should tell you everything. Not once. But twice!

    • @wolfgangweber9359
      @wolfgangweber9359 9 месяцев назад +2

      What should it tell us?

    • @Slippy6582
      @Slippy6582 9 месяцев назад +7

      Yeah, i posted a comment that the shot was OB the whole way and my post got deleted... Although i wrote that Handley deserves the win anyway, but i think it is weird that they delete posts that claim the truth.

    • @adenoong77
      @adenoong77 9 месяцев назад +4

      @@wolfgangweber9359 It tells us what the commentators said.

    • @adenoong77
      @adenoong77 9 месяцев назад +4

      @@Slippy6582 We live in a world where it is easier to censor the truth than to grapple with an opposing view.

  • @JB-qe2mo
    @JB-qe2mo 9 месяцев назад +30

    That disc never crossed in. Great game but man that sure looked like a robbery if i ever seen one.

  • @prattacaster
    @prattacaster 9 месяцев назад +23

    Whoa!!!!! That did NOT cross in bounds and it's quite obvious for Handley on hole 18

  • @dillydillysworld
    @dillydillysworld 9 месяцев назад +22

    She definitely didn’t cross in bounds on 18.

  • @Longstardisc
    @Longstardisc 9 месяцев назад +28

    Nice job K.T you are the real winner 🏆

  • @dustinheese
    @dustinheese 9 месяцев назад +3

    How are you not discussing this immediately? On a C-tier someone on the card would speak up within 5 seconds about where they saw it hit. If they make the wrong call with an obvious discussion, that's fine, it is certainly close.

  • @wolfie3918
    @wolfie3918 9 месяцев назад +4

    dayum handley never crossed in bounds on 18, kt robbed

    • @steve_87_40
      @steve_87_40 9 месяцев назад

      Keep in mind had she re teed she still could of gotten par... There were 2 eagles in the 4 rounds

  • @arturs6812
    @arturs6812 9 месяцев назад +19

    Victory with a stain! Holyn knew it was all the way OB, made a petty choice.

    • @ScottSmith-vc5vf
      @ScottSmith-vc5vf 9 месяцев назад

      How do you know any of that. The spotter’s job is to call. You don’t know what Handley thought.

  • @AndyCotgreave
    @AndyCotgreave 9 месяцев назад +9

    Incredible contest this weekend. Congrats to all for making it so close. And thanks DGPT for ever-improving highlights.

  • @readguthrie1241
    @readguthrie1241 9 месяцев назад +3

    sketchy ruling aside, it's crazy how hole 18 nearly ate up both leaders in FPO and MPO. Both just whipping it OB twice (HH thrice) really trying to give the lead away. When it has played as a pretty easy hole the other 3 days. Interesting to see the pressure come in.

  • @steve_87_40
    @steve_87_40 9 месяцев назад +1

    That was out for sure... You've got to wonder however if Hollyn re teed if she then could of gotten par? Should of called a provisional at least instead of what they did. Also there were 2 eagles in the 4 rounds and she has the arm to do so if the shots went just right

  • @martinvanburensleftsidebur5329
    @martinvanburensleftsidebur5329 9 месяцев назад +14

    If you've played disc golf for any decent amount of time, especially tournaments, you would know if that disc had crossed in bounds or not. I came to this video hearing people say it was impossible to tell from the tee, and after watching it, that is complete and utter nonsense. Holyn absolutely knew that disc never crossed in bounds (especially with how quickly she asked "Here?" according to Nate), and this should forever be a stain on her career. It's just as bad as Paige not calling her own missed mando at Worlds in 2021. Absolutely no honor, and I hope karma comes back to bite Holyn in a big way.

  • @hodlsage8968
    @hodlsage8968 9 месяцев назад +26

    What a banger !!! Everyone yacks about Tattar crushing the field... Well, to me, it looks like she has lifted up the other competitors !!!! I am team KT for sure, but it is going to be a grind next year, I can not wait !!!

  • @bucksinatra447
    @bucksinatra447 9 месяцев назад +30

    I'm actually kind of irritated that they let that slide. she didn't earn the win

  • @brianseo8497
    @brianseo8497 9 месяцев назад +11

    They need to stop taking the cards ruling and actually put a person in charge to make the ruling

  • @St.Olson_Photography
    @St.Olson_Photography 9 месяцев назад +18

    This ending is going to get so much backlash, pro level should have pro standards for all players. Pdga and proctor should have called a stroke cause this should be unacceptable when even the announcers can see the footage

  • @thomassandholm9646
    @thomassandholm9646 9 месяцев назад +2

    Hollyn knew she didn't cross and didn't call it. I don't hold the rest of the card responsible since it could decide the tournament. Just think back to WUSDGC where Henna called her own missplay whilst holding the lead. That is the way everyone should behave.

  • @scottpoynor8216
    @scottpoynor8216 9 месяцев назад +3

    Handley OB on 18. Say what

  • @tt128556
    @tt128556 9 месяцев назад +5

    So many questionable calls and bendings of the rule this season. They really need to start hiring officials for pro tour events, players should not be forced to rule against or in favour of their card mates, especially since they almost always vote in favour of the player in question, bar Nikki Locastro whose integrity I've come to appreciate lately.

  • @artzi_ip
    @artzi_ip 9 месяцев назад +2

    isnt there a rule that if a player or cardmates are not sure that disc didnt cross inbounds that you have to allways call provisional throw ! that rule was broken during that play and all of the players in that card should have gotten a +2 penalty stroke !!
    why we have rules if they are only for not to be obeyd ?

  • @jmc6567
    @jmc6567 9 месяцев назад +10

    That was a bullshit finish. How does HH not at least throw a provisional off the tee and play 2 plays in and have an official make a ruling? If she threw the provisional and made bogey it still would have been a playoff and she would eventually be the winner without the stink that is on this victory.
    I will be honest to say that it's a bad look on her card mates to just give her the drop without actually knowing if it ever crossed.
    I can't imagine that HH can feel good about that ending, and it's a shame because outside of that hole she played great.

  • @aklevin
    @aklevin 9 месяцев назад +24

    Wow. What a finish. What a final round. Worth staying up for. Hole 18... glad the commentators slowed it down and analysed it. Not her fault though. My heart breaks not for Kristin (she's had wins aplenty) but for Eveliina. So close :'-(

    • @LetsChat
      @LetsChat 9 месяцев назад +2

      But good putting for Eve throughout. It's a well-known secret at this point that Eve can not only win, but be the future star of FPO.

  • @joeditta2321
    @joeditta2321 9 месяцев назад

    What a finish!

  • @kevinsmith5202
    @kevinsmith5202 9 месяцев назад +2

    This is the problem with this sport. None of the players outside of Nikko are willing to ever enforce the rules on each other. If the rule book specifically states that it’s up to the players to police each other during the round, then f’n do it! Everyone’s so damn scared of upsetting their fellow players that they forego the integrity of the game. Hollyn’s cardmates should’ve been all over that. Sad.
    There was an A tier on Terry Miller’s channel early on before the season started where this guy literally took about a minute to putt every single time, and not once did his cardmates speak up and call him on it. Terry in the commentary even spoke up and said it’s bs and the players need to be all over that. I agree!
    The DGPT and PDGA need to have a players meeting and demand these players start taking their gig seriously and enforce the rules.

  • @stonemalichite2809
    @stonemalichite2809 9 месяцев назад +1

    Look at a still shot of 12:51. Tell me that disc did not cross safe.

  • @AlgorithmDG
    @AlgorithmDG 9 месяцев назад +27

    That disc was never in bounds so there is an asterisk on the result, but she won the playoff fair and square so she does ultimately deserve the win.

    • @roberthoeg1964
      @roberthoeg1964 9 месяцев назад +2

      With the right call maybe no playoff but hh is the next big sensation 👌 powerful player 👏 kristin will be OK next season but for catrina,missy,paige they better watch their backs 😉

    • @hodlsage8968
      @hodlsage8968 9 месяцев назад

      @@roberthoeg1964 Catrina and the gang need to also look out for Hansen and Hanna as well! If either of these two gets their nerves in check, look out!

    • @steve_87_40
      @steve_87_40 9 месяцев назад

      @@roberthoeg1964 Exactly.. could of ended with a par instead of 2nd ob and the bogey and playoff

  • @meister-t
    @meister-t 9 месяцев назад +1

    They have judges and video review in the Olympics and just about all sports now. Why not in disc--golf?
    The onus shouldn't be on who's on your card, especially with them being hesitant about ruffling feathers and creating unwanted rivalry, or being afraid of backlash from fans/social-media making them a villain for disputing it.

  • @stidudiiduri
    @stidudiiduri 9 месяцев назад +42

    Robbery in a daylight. I guess thats what they have to do to stop Tattar. Holyn's tee shot on 18 shoudve been a re tee all day long

    • @derpderpin1568
      @derpderpin1568 9 месяцев назад

      Trash take. You're the disc golf equivalent of the terrible casual basketball fan that calls every highlight a travel.

    • @Jdd-bv6jw
      @Jdd-bv6jw 9 месяцев назад +13

      Should have been a discussion on the tee box by her walking all the way to her disc she bullied her card into agreeing with her. What were they supposed to say no walk all the way back to the tee. Robbery ridiculous

    • @choirboy93
      @choirboy93 9 месяцев назад +4

      Her Discraft teammates were on her card to back up the call too lol

    • @steve_87_40
      @steve_87_40 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@Jdd-bv6jw From the tee you could not tell if it touched in bounds before rolling ob. It clearly ended ob in the end

    • @EZPCNZ22
      @EZPCNZ22 9 месяцев назад +3

      The thrower should have made the call but she didn't.

  • @samuelhilger48
    @samuelhilger48 9 месяцев назад +4

    No fan of Kristin here, so tired of seeing her crush everybody else on the FPO side but you have to admit, she'd rather lose than win cheating. And she'd certainly not have the nerve to shout-out her mom after winning by cheating, like Holyn did.
    Sad to say, mentally I'm putting Holyn together with Golfers such as Nikki Locastro & Patrick Reed... sad day for golf and honesty

  • @racheltrager2336
    @racheltrager2336 9 месяцев назад

    Great job ladies!!!

  • @aktiefinans1.
    @aktiefinans1. 9 месяцев назад +1

    What a rob! How can this happen in a so called "sport" this just approves it's a beer hobby!

  • @prattacaster
    @prattacaster 9 месяцев назад +11

    Does she know she cheated? Of course her teammates say it touched in. I guess the reality is she re-tees and throws it inbounds anyway and probably takes the same score

    • @pbgamble
      @pbgamble 9 месяцев назад +1

      Exactly.

    • @tt128556
      @tt128556 9 месяцев назад +3

      She knew what she did there, decided to play the victim angle and exploit the good-naturedness of her cardmates. Most of them hate seeing Kristin win all the time as well so even easier to make that wrong call.

    • @prattacaster
      @prattacaster 9 месяцев назад

      @@markmcgarity well, she did throw it OB again...

  • @LetsChat
    @LetsChat 9 месяцев назад +19

    Not exactly what I'd call an honorable win.
    But wow, just puts into perspective how good Tattar--that even with that you still have to see her in the play-off.

  • @Jtsteww
    @Jtsteww 9 месяцев назад +8

    Never in bounds.

  • @kw5643
    @kw5643 9 месяцев назад +8

    What a joke

  • @obscurereference6298
    @obscurereference6298 9 месяцев назад +15

    The card giving in bounds kinda sucks but that's not Holyns fault. The next in bounds on the line + Kristin's rollaway on 1 are more ridiculous, however remember Holyn shot -10 this round just to get here so can anyone really be too upset?

    • @trevzy91
      @trevzy91 9 месяцев назад +2

      Nate didn't do her any favors with the way he described it, he said she didn't talked to Alexis when shes marking the lie, but Holyn mentions asking her as they walked over. Holyn deserved this one to my eye, she clearly played the best disc golf on the day.

    • @Snookenas
      @Snookenas 9 месяцев назад +6

      But would the round actually have been -10? We will never know what would have happened after a re-tee.

    • @Dr.Acula76
      @Dr.Acula76 9 месяцев назад +3

      @@trevzy91 So you deserve to win for playing the best one round? Also may not have been the best round if she re-teed

    • @trevzy91
      @trevzy91 9 месяцев назад

      @@Dr.Acula76 not what I said but she was far ahead of the competition for hot round so she still would have had the best round, would she have won? Maybe not but that’s not what happened.

    • @Dr.Acula76
      @Dr.Acula76 9 месяцев назад

      @@trevzy91 And I'm saying having a hot round doesn't mean you deserve to win

  • @nickcowan4147
    @nickcowan4147 9 месяцев назад +8

    Congrats Handley!!!! Felt this coming all season 🎉

  • @samsarapicture
    @samsarapicture 9 месяцев назад +1

    What a BIIIIIIG misstake from the spotter and the rest , maybe thats the only way she can winn😏

  • @user-oh7lv3fy5l
    @user-oh7lv3fy5l 9 месяцев назад +7

    Hole 18, clearly Handly’s disc never came in the field of play and she should have re-tee’d. Kristen wins again. Why do groups always give benefit of the doubt to the leaders on the card, that is lame.

    • @dalet6250
      @dalet6250 9 месяцев назад +3

      It was hole 18. And we have the benefit of replay and slow-mo. They only saw it once, from probably over 300 feet away. It's not Handley's or her card mates fault, they made the same decision probably 99% of all disc golfers would have made in the same circumstances. PDGA/DGPT need to take the calls out of the players hands and have officials on hand in the pro tournaments to make calls like that. Stop slamming on the players.

  • @Lankybrit52
    @Lankybrit52 9 месяцев назад +1

    Very interesting. Foot fault and didn’t get in bounds on 18. Very suspicious.

  • @noahh1238
    @noahh1238 9 месяцев назад +7

    Gotta use replay to get that right. Big change to the results.

  • @rygonz429
    @rygonz429 9 месяцев назад

    Broad daylight and u mean to say they are too far to see if it crossed?! That was pretty obvious when it hit/fell. I think she would have gotten the same score either way cuz the disc never lies. But def should have thrown a provisional and discussed after the hole. Tattar had the chance to take the W in the playoff and didn’t capitalize so the rt winner won this tourney. 🤷🏽‍♂️👏🏽👏🏽

  • @kaigongfu
    @kaigongfu 9 месяцев назад

    if you have played worst shot doubles format. the other players are quick to call an OB. but the tournament official ruled in bounds - so who is responsible here ?
    are the course officials tested and qualified ?

  • @Tibitito-xi2we
    @Tibitito-xi2we 9 месяцев назад +26

    Bad sportsmanship, what a sad way to take a win. Funny how Ganon immediately agreed with the call even though all could see it was never in play. Guess she hate to see Tattar beat her everytime.

    • @davidlounsberry4127
      @davidlounsberry4127 9 месяцев назад

      Is that reviewable in the aftermath?? Kristin won outright on 18 if so.. poor Kristin!!!

    • @chillokapi5225
      @chillokapi5225 9 месяцев назад

      Sure its easy to see in super slow motion, but in the speed of the moment is it that obvious? I don't think Holyn should be labeled a "bad sport"

  • @ludvig7473
    @ludvig7473 9 месяцев назад +17

    Glad this was only an A tier, that was definitely Tattars win. Holyns disc never went inside

  • @cohen758
    @cohen758 9 месяцев назад +2

    Handley knows she never crossed. It was obvious and made clear by the way she acted. It’s just sad that you are wiling to cheat to get your first win. And since we all know that the card never calls any rule violations or goes against the players own opinion, it is basically a given that you will get away with it. And you can always say that she did nothing wrong since the card sanctioned it. But it leaves a bad aftertaste. And I wonder if it is worth it in retrospect? I believe that many fans will question her character and have their mind made up about her for a long time… And imagine if she had reteed and the outcome would have been the same, which is not that unlikely. What a victory! Or even if she would have lost, she would still have been praised for her integrity.

  • @spakjoeXD
    @spakjoeXD 9 месяцев назад

    Everyone talking about them going and watching the replays do know that none of the camera men are able to watch it back at the time. Only production can do that...

  • @Carback27
    @Carback27 9 месяцев назад

    That is such an egregious foot fault on 15.

  • @bustatron
    @bustatron 9 месяцев назад +4

    That handly throw on 18 did not get in. Oof.

  • @bensieber6960
    @bensieber6960 9 месяцев назад +7

    Holyn had to win - her jersey is a perfect match for the trophy! It's so similar it's spooky.

  • @bigwi7613
    @bigwi7613 9 месяцев назад +3

    Yeah that was not inside drop on 18.. wow really.. even if you have video proof these days.

    • @Dr.Acula76
      @Dr.Acula76 9 месяцев назад

      Unfortunately, they can't use video replay

  • @kr1nson
    @kr1nson 9 месяцев назад +5

    Pathetic, robbery.

  • @Finduski
    @Finduski 9 месяцев назад

    That first basket was beggin Henna's disc to go in

  • @ryantennessen1528
    @ryantennessen1528 9 месяцев назад +6

    Let’s go chantel budinsky

  • @Mr.Silverback
    @Mr.Silverback 9 месяцев назад +6

    Not throwing a provisional just proves she had her mind made up on cheating right away

  • @mikesurvant6730
    @mikesurvant6730 9 месяцев назад

    Kristin beat herself again

  • @PastHisPrime336
    @PastHisPrime336 9 месяцев назад +4

    They didn't give her the spot where it hit they gave her the spot further back where it went into the tree over the OB line. It was too close to call and goes to the benefit of the player. The replay slowed down to 0.25 you can't tell if it did or didn't cross over because of the angle. Just because it landed OB doesn't mean it never made it in bounds. They made the proper call based on the information they had and what they saw from the tee box.

    • @anhpham2733
      @anhpham2733 9 месяцев назад +4

      It isn't benefit to the player. This is a mischaracterization of the rule.

    • @PastHisPrime336
      @PastHisPrime336 9 месяцев назад

      @@anhpham2733It's an interpretation of the rule that many if not most of the players and commentators are adhering to. When a close call like this has come up that I can remember in recent coverage that is the interpretation and discussion that is had regarding how they made their decision. If the rule says there has to be a rule call and a seconding of the rule call by another player on the card then there needs to be a standard used so there is less chance of conflict. If the standard being used is "benefit to the player" then that is at least a collective interpretation that seems to be what most have settled on; at least on the tour level. When this interpretation and standard is used it shouldn't be seen as controversial.

    • @anhpham2733
      @anhpham2733 9 месяцев назад +5

      The PDGA has (and not a very good job) interpreted this rule for us because of that confusion. The benefit of the doubt rule is and should be used for disagreements. If KT was on that card I guarantee you that there would've at least been a more engaged conversation than that of the 3 other people on her card. I guarantee you a provisional would have at least been played in this position should KT be on that card.
      Just because 3 people agree with HH doesn't mean that the decision is not controversial. Look Paul MB disagreed with Andrew Fish at MVP a few years ago and he ended up playing a provisional and then arguing his case to the PDGA. The fact that no one of the card said throw a provisional shows their lack of oversight.
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    • @anhpham2733
      @anhpham2733 9 месяцев назад

      The more I watch it, I'm now more inclined to say it crossed, but I do think her cardmates gave her a generous spot looking at that OB line. It should've been farther back.. Had she made a forehand like that farther back it could've been OB@@PastHisPrime336

    • @jasonmelcheri9641
      @jasonmelcheri9641 9 месяцев назад

      @@anhpham2733what would the provisional have been for? Would they fact the 3 card members called the shot inbounds be over ridden by an official that didn’t see it? Would it be overturned based on video evidence, I didn’t think that was allowed? If it was allowed wouldn’t there be a rule similar to other sports where it has to be clear, it wasn’t clear to me

  • @jamesbenton4123
    @jamesbenton4123 9 месяцев назад +2

    No where even close to in smh

  • @lankstasdglife3973
    @lankstasdglife3973 9 месяцев назад

    The game is officiated by the other players on the card. If you think somebody never crossed in the card needs to speak up and demand a vote or provisional shot. In this instance the card considered the shot to have crossed in bounds, no vote was even necessary, they just gave her a spot. It happens all the time in disc golf. I think players on coverage at majors should be wary, people are watching, and money is on the line, but until things change what happened was a perfectly normal disc golf outcome. It was too hard for the players to be sure, the spotter didn’t make a call, and the card gave the benefit to the player.
    Even after that she shanked another shot ob, which means even if she’d had to retee a couple of in bounds shots would have netted her the same score.
    People shouldn’t be so critical. Holyn put up a hell of a round and deserved the win by winning against the best in the world after 2 sudden death holes. If anybody let the disc golf community down it was Holyn’s card. If I’m not sure my shot was OB, I’m not calling it on myself. It’s up to your card mates to police you in that situation, no one should expect someone to call their own OB on the critical play of the match when they aren’t certain about the call..
    It’s sad to read all these comments.

  • @broderalias
    @broderalias 9 месяцев назад +1

    Congratulations Holyn!

  • @noodleking17
    @noodleking17 9 месяцев назад +1

    If it's not obviously out of bounds, the benefit should go to the player.

  • @meister-t
    @meister-t 9 месяцев назад +1

    Not much "prestige" in winning when you needed help

  • @alecbollman6941
    @alecbollman6941 9 месяцев назад +1

    collusion on 18.

  • @ksnorts3970
    @ksnorts3970 9 месяцев назад +6

    KT won in regulation! HH won after the tournament was over!

  • @kurtheilman3809
    @kurtheilman3809 9 месяцев назад +1

    To all the people yelling “benefit goes to the player”!!!! Read the rules. The benefit goes to the player IN THE EVENT of a tie (1 vote for o.b. 1 for i.b. 1 undecided for example) all players still should vote “i.b.” “O.b” or “couldn’t tell” THEN if it’s tied benefit goes to player. Somehow pros don’t know the rules and neither do the announcers. (Sorry for the novel)

    • @jasonmelcheri9641
      @jasonmelcheri9641 9 месяцев назад

      The players know the rules, 3 players thought it was in, it was in , benefit to the player doesn’t even come into play

  • @bigazchillidog6870
    @bigazchillidog6870 9 месяцев назад +2

    I feel bad for holyn. I hope this doesn’t take away from her win. Human error is part of the sport

    • @tt128556
      @tt128556 9 месяцев назад +4

      If anything, you should feel bad for Kristin, who got robbed by this wrong call. There should be no room for human error in pro sports.

  • @LearningtoDoThings
    @LearningtoDoThings 9 месяцев назад

    Golf has a generations-old culture of self-reporting integrity for any slight foul or penalty, taking a lot of the pressure off card mates for making calls against their fellow players. Even then, there are plenty of examples where things are missed. Disc golf lacks that deeply engrained culture. It is also a sport where it is MUCH harder to identify a penalty live for a player (not as easy to tell if you yourself foot fault) and card mates (OB line crossings). This puts card mates in a difficult position all the time. It is clear by now that the culture is to always give the benefit. For Majors and Pro-Tour events, an official is needed to accompany lead and chase cards on final rounds (at least) to take that pressure off the players and have a prayer of actually enforcing penalties on any close calls.
    For example, 9:17 looks like a clear foot fault by HH (left foot by marker comes off the ground well before disc leaves her hand). There is no way the card is going to call that on her. To do so would risk major backlash and becoming a tour pariah.

  • @williamreed3060
    @williamreed3060 9 месяцев назад

    It never should have went to a playoff. Holyn knew it never made it in bounds. MG is tired of being Phil Mickelson. The pressure to beat Kristin is a real thing. Holyn just showed she was not the sportsman Henna is.

  • @ScottSmith-vc5vf
    @ScottSmith-vc5vf 9 месяцев назад

    Hole 18. The spotters job is to call the shot. And stop saying you know what Handley knew or saw. Your being ridiculous.

  • @jamesbenton4123
    @jamesbenton4123 9 месяцев назад +1

    Cheaters never.....oh wait congratulations?

  • @tinyspeedshop8196
    @tinyspeedshop8196 9 месяцев назад

    Just leave the coverage to Jomez al the time.

  • @Matthew.w110
    @Matthew.w110 9 месяцев назад +11

    Spoiler Shield 🛡️

  • @giac7957
    @giac7957 9 месяцев назад +3

    Cheater Handley

  • @enjohneer
    @enjohneer 9 месяцев назад +3

    Some say Catrina Allen still has her back turned on Natalie Ryan after the tournament 😂

  • @JohnSmith-ef2sx
    @JohnSmith-ef2sx 9 месяцев назад +2

    I really gotta hand it to Handley for single handedly handling her self very well and handing over a back handed ass whooping. Lets all give her a hand.

    • @Dr.Acula76
      @Dr.Acula76 9 месяцев назад

      An ass whooping for winning in a playoff that shouldn't have even happened? I'm happy for her but really?

  • @lankstasdglife3973
    @lankstasdglife3973 9 месяцев назад +6

    Too close to call. Even with instant replay it basically struck the line on the way down. Nobody could say for sure whether it was in or out and the benefit goes to the player, people who play disc golf know this. Congrats to Holyn I’m sure Kristen will understand, she is a disc golfer, the rules are the rules and this is how we officiate. We do the best we can. Holyn easily could have taken the same score with a retee, she didn’t have to do anything spectacular.

    • @lt.morganhines
      @lt.morganhines 9 месяцев назад +2

      Agreed, people act like her being OB would have undoubtedly given KT the win, but it still could have ended up in a playoff.

    • @blakesides6558
      @blakesides6558 9 месяцев назад +6

      @@lt.morganhines Disagree. At this point she knows the scores, has not been tested at any tournament especially a major, and has too re-tee. The likelihood that nerves over come her and she shanks it again is very high. This completely changed the outcome.

    • @lankstasdglife3973
      @lankstasdglife3973 9 месяцев назад

      @@blakesides6558 regardless the game is officiated by the other players on the card. If you think somebody never crossed in the card needs to speak up and demand a vote or provisional shot. In this instance the card considered the shot to have crossed in bounds, no vote was even necessary, they just gave her a spot. It happens all the time in disc golf. I think players on coverage at majors should be wary, people are watching, and money is on the line, but until things change what happened was a perfectly normal disc golf outcome. It was too hard for the players to be sure, the spotter didn’t make a call, and the card gave the benefit to the player.
      Even after that she shanked another shot ob, which means even if she’d had to retee a couple of in bounds shots would have netted her the same score.
      People shouldn’t be so critical. Holyn put up a hell of a round and deserved the win by winning against the best in the world after 2 sudden death holes. If anybody let the disc golf community down it was Holyn’s card. If I’m not sure my shot was OB, I’m not calling it on myself. It’s up to your card mates to police you in that situation, no one should expect someone to call their own OB on the critical play of the match when they aren’t certain about the call..
      It’s sad to read all these comments.

  • @steve_87_40
    @steve_87_40 9 месяцев назад +3

    Everyone complaining about what happened on 18 From the tee you could not tell if it touched in bounds before rolling ob. It clearly ended ob in the end. if it didn't "touch" in first Handley would of had to re tee but they were too far away and so was the spotter.

    • @eh4918
      @eh4918 9 месяцев назад +1

      Nope, I freeze framed it on my new phn and on zoom could clearly see the ob line and her disc never crossed. It didn't cross. KT should take it as a compliment that she rattles these girls to such an extent. Pretty bush league ruling.. congrats to Handley on her round tho

    • @jediinc6703
      @jediinc6703 9 месяцев назад

      If it was unclear she should’ve reteed BEFORE walking down the fairway

    • @jasonmelcheri9641
      @jasonmelcheri9641 9 месяцев назад

      @@eh4918are you saying that the card should have frozen time and zoomed in to see where the disc landed haha, looked in live, players on the card thought it was in so it was in

  • @BookieCrook
    @BookieCrook 9 месяцев назад +2

    Regardless of the call on out of bounds,it was the miss on the second playoff hole that lost it for Tattar.

    • @SiouxGolf9
      @SiouxGolf9 9 месяцев назад +7

      What if there was no playoff? Lol

    • @BookieCrook
      @BookieCrook 9 месяцев назад

      @@SiouxGolf9 what if Solinen made a hole in one on every hole?

    • @SiouxGolf9
      @SiouxGolf9 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@BookieCrook that has nothing to do with anything of the matter. You are completely missing the point lol. The point is Holyn should have had to re tee on 18. Could have made a bigger number and lost in regulation.

    • @BookieCrook
      @BookieCrook 9 месяцев назад

      @@SiouxGolf9 and a butterfly could've flapped it's wings in Tibet causing an Uber driver in Philadelphia to get a bit of dust in his eye which made him hit a fire hydrant which caused a man on the side walk to slip and hit his head which lead to him meeting his wife at the hospital. The only thing that matters is the shots you make. Tattar had a shot. It didn't go her way this time.

    • @Jtsteww
      @Jtsteww 9 месяцев назад +2

      @@BookieCrookpathetic argument

  • @cbarel8680
    @cbarel8680 9 месяцев назад +2

    Charlie says “Tattar” like, “Tah…….Tar” 😂

    • @aklevin
      @aklevin 9 месяцев назад +6

      I think this is more accurate pronuniciation than how everyone else has been saying it

    • @Dr.Acula76
      @Dr.Acula76 9 месяцев назад

      Tot

  • @frankcowan6625
    @frankcowan6625 9 месяцев назад

    "Highlights" mean good plays.
    If one is to feel that it's a good thing for people to do poorly then show the whole thing.
    Thanks.

  • @MarkMark-pl1tj
    @MarkMark-pl1tj 9 месяцев назад

    Cheater.

  • @margusmagi6703
    @margusmagi6703 9 месяцев назад

    This competition showed us what a role a CHANCE can play. What I mean by that? Well, all the top 5 players (-19...-23) had a 10 or better round this time. But that happened when they had not much pressure and could play (almost) freely. It was the case in first round or when they did not play in the leading card group. Won the player who had that kind of round (-10 or better) in the final round.
    Why did K Tattar not win? Due long season and reaching her goal (major sweep and European Championship) she is internally empty. It can be seen in the luck of consistency, which began to emerge already during the worlds. And I personally would be surprised, if she won Champions competition next week.

  • @ulrichvonstomp6031
    @ulrichvonstomp6031 9 месяцев назад

    While it's nice to see someone win their 1st major championship...mistakes were made. That's life. Life is tough. Get a helmet! :)

    • @myerklamb8529
      @myerklamb8529 9 месяцев назад +5

      Not a major. Not even an elite series. Just an A tier