Why F1 is at Risk of Ruining the Racing
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To be fair the FIA are consistently inconsistent
the only thing they get right
if you watched the race you would realise that verstapen braked very late and sent him and norris wide
@@J0sh445 i did son , but he still forced lando off with him though
Just like NASCAR lol
The one of two things they should not be imitating from NASCAR
This all started in Brazil 2021 when verstappen forced both Hamilton and himself off and didn’t get a penalty for it. The fia are basically saying you could be 4 or 5 car lengths back, brake much later, hit the apex first, force both of you wide and that’ll be deemed legal. Crazy
Not only that, but even if you do miraculously manage to stay alongside (on the outside), you will be forced to forfeit the position if you come out ahead.
He didn't hit the Apex, he had all four wheel off track.
@@Don-Royalldo you even know what the apex of a corner is 🤦
@@issammelzi728 I am taking about Brazil 2021, please stay on topic.
Max didn't take the corner, he simply drove Lewis of track, he did the same in Jeddah.
As for this race, Norris deserved the penalty 100%.
having looked at the onboard extensively, this is my analysis:
-Norris passes with DRS but has the outside line.
-Max breaks later, hits the apex first.
-Lando releases the breaks and is unable to make the corner even with full steering lock, him going off the track isnt evasive action but him simply not making it.
-Max goes off the track and should get a warning for track limits.
Even if you think Max pushed Lando wide and deserves a penalty, he should've gotten 5s with Norris 10s. It has been established at the start of the year that drivers would get 10s for leaving the track and gaining an advantage to prevent drivers from just taking the penalty and drive on.
The problem is also, that the FIA is so lenient with lap 1 incidents. Everyone knew ahead of the race that max was going to push lando wide. it was deliberate, and not an "oopsie, my tires are still cold". Everyone who did that move after lap 1 got a penalty for that. They need to stop closing their eyes on lap 1 by default and start judging those incidents on a case by case basis.Because until they fix this, Max is going to keep doing this. We want to see clean racing, and the better driver with the better strategy win. Not a driver exploiting loopholes. They didn't even look at it, it wasn't even noted. Absolutely sickening.
That's what I am saying. They're slowly killing racing and that pisses me off. Get rid of these stupid track limits/white line and let them race!
I'd agree obviously you can't just cut whole corners but if your banging wheel to wheel someone's gonna go off the track. Then you see 50 graphics at the top of the screen saying "the incident is under investigation" I'm trying to watch a motor race not a courtroom
Rules and limits are part of racing, otherwise things could get dangerous. I’m all for hard, nail-biting stuff on track, but there has to be a line drawn somewhere with harsh penalties applied, otherwise we would have people driving into each other, playing mind games and the sport will look like a joke.
Max is so fast and I love his speed, but you can’t race him.
If Lando would have given the position back to Max, how is he getting past if he gets driven off the track?
You can clearly outbrake yourself on the inside to ensure you get the apex (although you will assuredly miss the apex from a turning perspective). This stuff has been going on for several years. The FIA and stewards should have policed this correctly upfront. If the car on the outside (who for years has been alongside the inside car) tries to maintain a wheel on the track and they have contact bc inside car pushes wide, who’s fault would it be for the contact? All of these factors make racing favor the inside guy. Outbrake & run wide should be what everyone does going forward. You will have divebombs from way back bc they just need to make the apex and run you wide
I trully believe that, had Lando given the position back, there would be argument (and quite possibily would been) for a penaly to Max. If you see the guidelines, the stewards basically did a: "ok, both are wrong, but Lando is more, so 5sec" and i believe that their rationale was "forcing someone out is +5 not giving back is +10, sooo +5 to one of them and all is good". BUT that is way over simplifying the issue.
@@alexandrebrito1414agreed with your analysis. A +5 and +10 would've been the correct decision probably. Would mean an Oscar podium 😂
@@alexandrebrito1414 Or, FIA can say.. Max, you had no intention of making the corner whatsoever, Lando have nowhere to go and Both of you are racing outside the road anyway. Fair and square. Or wait for arguments from both parties and dish out the penalty. FIA Stewards ruined racing by helping Verstappen for far too long they are basically underground Redbull employees at this point.
Also Max knew he would never make the turn but wanted to keep trackposition so bad
i firmly believe that if Lando return onto the track behind Max, he wouldnt been given a penalty and it would be Max getting the 5 seconds, like we see with others like Yuki and George (i might be wrong with those 2)
Absolutely flawless dissection of the situation from an outsider's perspective. Aldas is the best.
Honestly lando should have given back the position and try again. He had the pace to do it and there was still some time
Actually by the “rules” max had to get 5 seconds 4 forcing car off track but lando had to get 10s for overtaking and getting advantage track. This year overtaking and gaining an advantage 10s. So🤷♀️🤷♀️FIA?
To be fair they handle by the " books". However.... I say It for a long time. Just put 2 meter gravel next to the curbstones and THEN a runoff. You will have a lot less discussions.
can't easily do that when motogp regularly uses that track too.
Well tbh I’m getting sick of this way of racing. Someone goes to overtake and the tactic nowadays is to just run them off the road like Max did. He ran Lando out cos he knew he would have to give the place back or face a penalty. This is not racing any more.
Lando deserves a penalty for having a faster car, newer tires and doing such a piss poor job following and passing. Max is never letting around the outside you have to close door and take the inside. Lando continues to show he’s not ready.
His starts need work too.
They need to change the wording from “at the apex” to “entering the breaking zone” max was behind and just sent it down the inside knowing Lando would have to get out of the way. Same way he defended in Brazil and Jeddah in 21. You can’t just send it down the inside go all 4 wheels off track and keep the place
🤣this is what happens when you comment at the beginning of the video 🤣
This already goes now for years. After many overtakes instantly comes the debate of penalties, radioing and such.
The rule should be simple. If you are significantly alongside and you get forced off the track. The other guy gets a penalty and/or has to hand the place back. You have to leave a cars width at all times if they are significantly alongside. All racing should be done on the racing surface. Simple as that. Every other motorsport can get that right, why can't we?
But then you create the same problem, but from the outside.
Drivers will just dive to the outside in order to claim that car's width and force the inside car to either abandon their original racing line and/or get penalized for continuing on their original line and invariably forcing the outside car out.
@@masterchief9201 I mean if they're alongside enough through the entire exit of the corner, *front tire alongside the sidepod at the very least*, then the move is on. None of this "its my corner" bs. You gotta be there the entire time.
Also, forcing another car to take a worse line to overtake, is just racing. You could say the exact same thing about squeezing someone to the inside or outside of the corner. Both of you are compromising your line to try to either keep or advance your position. As long as you're both on the tracks surface, both have room and dont hit each other. It's fair game.
At risk? They've ruined it for years, the only way these guys know how to defend now is by running each other off the track. The way I see it, they race on a racetrack, it only makes sense that the racing stays on the track.
From all the videos I've seen so far about this incident, I think this was one of the best explanations. Many people are saying that Lando didn't deserve a penalty or Max did nothing wrong, but these people are basing their arguments off emotions. How Max defended Lando yesterday was phenomenal...up until this incident. It doesn't matter if you make the apex first, you need to make the corner itself, full stop, and he didn't. But it's also Max being an experienced World Champion and being on the limit with the rules as opposed to Lando who is a great driver but suddenly finds himself as a Championship contender without much experience & racecraft compared to Max. If Lando rejoined the track after getting pushed off then he wouldn't have to worry about a penalty whereas the stewards might have looked into Verstappen and investigated his move. Lando just isn't experienced or clinical enough to compete with Max for a title, but Max himself gets away with way too many of these incidents. Tsunoda made the apex first and kept his car on track when he overtook Albon, so why was he penalized and why didn't Max receive a penalty for going off the track defending the position & pushing Lando off in the process? I think Max is no doubt a talented driver but the FIA needs to clamp down on his wheel-to-wheel combat, otherwise they are becoming more & more inconsistent and it seems like they favor Max in every scenario even if he is in the wrong (remember Brazil 2021, how he wasn't given a penalty is beyond me).
Just simple. You can't overtake Max on a corner because he will defend by pushing you out. The only hope is to overtake on the straight using DRS and with a much better car than Max. Otherwise, no hope.
Bad officiating always ruins sports. Let's hope the FIA won't become as bad as the PGMOL in the Premier League
@4:10 I'm surprised this incident hasn't been brought up more often during the weekend; it's the closest in similarity to what happened on Lap 52, and Verstappen didn't get a penalty for gaining an advantage off the track when Sainz was passing him
No one has caused this much ‘grey matter’ issues than Max in F1 since Schumi.
Lando drove around a car which failed to brake for the corner, compromising it's own exit and nearly taking them both out the race. You can't expect drivers to stay behind a slower car because they can't brake properly
I see a comment that says this started in Brazil 2021. Actually it started in Austria 2019 when Max drove Charles off the track and everyone said no penalty and therefore it was accepted. Even Charles changed the way he raced after that. THIS is where the precedent was actually set! Also since when were non serious lap 1 incidents judged? Stewards always give a grace period for Lap 1 cmon everyone should know this.
Runoff areas are supposed to be used. If it's not grass, gravel or wall, it's track. Using runoff areas is not the same as cutting corners
max himself went off the track though & forced lando off
It just terrible that this subject only comes up when it is affecting British drivers.
Whilest penalties have negatively been affecting racing over the years, the last few years have actually been more consistently applied.
My proposoal for a new racing ghide lines: car A attacking; car D defending
1-if car A front wheels are behind or on pair with car D rear wheels aixes: then car D is intitle to any movement, trajectory or throtle aplication he desires as long as isnt completty erratic and endangerous other participants.
2-if car A front wheels are in front of car D rear wheels aixes: then car D is mandated to leave enough space to both cars ability to occupy the track width
3-if car A is in front of car D then car A becomes car D and viceversa, aplying rules 1 and 2 accordingly
on scenario 2 if car D forces car A outside Car A is intitle to continue the batle outside the track as long as doesnt fully completes its overtaking;
This is why I listen to you always my big brother aldas. You got everything right and spot on, this shows how good and consistent you have been with F1 analysis 👏 👏 👏
Thank you for not jinxing Lawson
Most don't understand the rules here. If you hit the apex you won't be in trouble.
How would you differentiate running wide because is lack of grip and intentionally pushing? No way possible to measure that.
This is why we have undercut and lando did a poor choice if choosing outside. He was never going to make that corner.
All i've learned from this is just how well Verstappen knows the FIA's rules more than any other dricver and its almost like he has his own book with all exploitations calculated and he memorizes them, I cannot blame Max for taking advantage of what happened yesterday, he's gonna go to the edge of the cliff to keep the place.
Thanks aldas, very good analysis. So many commentators seem to not acknowledge that verstappen didnt make the corner
To be honest, debates over penalties over 50/50 incidents like this is a waste of energy. People say it’s killing racing, but what makes them feel like that is frustration and stress over the need to either defend or criticise either of the drivers involved and having to go into the archives and dig up evidence to prove their case. I’m not saying no more rules and let drivers have free reign, because that would be dangerous and make the sport look foolish, but unless it’s an absolute slam dunk, plain as eye for the average F1 fan to see what is right and wrong, we should just move on. It looked like Lando did accelerate after he departed the track and to me that was more wrong than Max out breaking himself.
Fundamentally Lando makes that corner and the overtake sticks if they both enter the corner at the speed necessarily to take the corner and not run wide. If anything it was an evasive manoeuvre from Lando
I would like to see a small strip of grass on the outside of the white line, just enough so it is discouraged to go off a little bit. You either have to head on cut through the grass onto the run off or stay within the lines. If you've ever played Gran Turismo 4, it should be like 130R at Suzuka in that game.
Lando chokes (twice) again
I do agree with leniency on lap 1 turn 1, but we all know that Verstappen’s move was premeditated and part of a pattern and he should be penalised for it.
He and Norris should’ve both been penalised for the late move too.
The FIA need to rein him in already
Great analysis.
Unfortunately, we need black and white rules otherwise drivers will take advantage of any ambiguity. The problem is the current rules don't make sense and are therefore applied inconsistently.
These are the rules that the teams and GDPR agreed to. So it is useless to complain about it. The Stewards have to look to the key moment. The decision for both Lando and Russell to be penalised was correct as they both weren't. It has been the argued for years. But the one who is in front of the apex dictates what's going to happen. Drivers like Alonso, Verstappen, etc. Know this. You might find it cheeky, but as long as the rules stay like that, they can't complain about it.
To me it was more worrying that McLaren stated they were ahead at the Apex, when clearly they were not. The statements from the drivers and TP's are noise. Just look at the rules.
FIA consistency is a whole different ball game. But they do have more data then we do.
I think Max is just abusing the rules as much as he can. Which you can’t entirely blame him for; the rules are flawed in my opinion.
lando just is not that guy
Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁👍
Just like Fernando's penalty in Australia. They don't know what they are doing.
Why do people forget that the overtaking driver is the that has the higher risk? They have th drive their car and judge what the driver ahead will do
Curious this uproar only happens when the penalty is for Norris…
I still don't know why Russell got a penalty lmao
1:40 Say what??! Didn't you watch the race??! Norris was already ahead 200 metres BEFORE the corner! Verstappen trie to retook(!) the position by divebombing way too fast to the apex and due to the lack of braking missed the corner on purpose(!)
Max is Max, and he didn't deserve a penalty , and no you can't argue that, i get the British bias, ask yourself if it was the other way around. I do agree that formula 1 has way to many rules that are a bit to strict.
Blame everything on brit bias pathetic people
I’m glad you saw the relation to football They are making everything about bureaucracy.
We need a video on Leclerc!!
I completely agree that the solution with Norris and Verstappen would have been to give both a penalty. And that's why I think you're contradicting yourself with your second point. I don't think that "too many penalties" is an issue. The problem is inconsistency, which gives the impression that drivers should venture into such moves and see if they're going to get a penalty or not. For example, Russel's move on Bottas was pretty unnecessary, he could have squeezed him without robbing him of all space and he could be still ahead, but obviously he felt that this is allowed as it has been in other instances where they only punish if there's contact. If Verstappen didn't leave this GP thinking he did nothing wrong there, maybe he wouldn't keep doing it and thus there might be less need for penalties. But then, at some point the stewards will decide that a similar move is wrong and penalize it, adding to the cycle.
To ruin something you first need to actually have a fight... The FIA will never change, this isnt new, but both Mclaren and Lando made tooooo many mistakes across the season, is insulting what the achieved with that car.
It’s rare I say this on any F1 channel for any video but…. Agreed. No notes
I personally don’t care about this controversy, where was all this outrage when it was Lewis being forced off track?
It was there, you weren't watching if you think this stewarding wasn't discussed basically every race
@@issammelzi728 Only from LH and CL fans everyone else was too desperate for a championship fight to say anything about it and overlooked it now it’s happening to the challenger everyone else is outraged don’t complain when it’s happening to your favourite driver now.
Hey Aldas, I've consistently watched your videos if I recall maybe for 1 or 2 years now. And I feel as though you have kind of started to take some hard british bias in your takes. The overtake was clearly deserving of a penalty, and this has been the same for years on end, it would be really unfair if it would be overruled just for the "racing". I am a Max fan, sure, but I also take it on the chin when Max did it in Austria and he was at fault. Plus, here comes into play how far are we willing to "fabricate" the Formula 1 so that we get "good racing", because once we limit all the teams and budgets ( which I think is a good change ), but then we give less successful teams less wind tunnel time and more constraints, so as to punish their success? Now, how about we remove the penalties just to favor another driver just because one guy has been really good at winning the past few years. At what point do we interfere too much with the sport just for the entertainment value? At what point are we fabricating the rules just for a "entertaining outcome"? I say keep things consistent as they have been and stop ruining the sport with this bullshit "X could bore fans".
yall need to stop crying he got there in the apex first max was using every trick in the book like every driver should
Did you watch the video? The entire premise of the video is that the rulebook is broken and needs to be fixed. So What max did is "legal" in the rules but also wasnt legal in this race according to the other penalties handed out earlier in the race for other drivers.
Max pushed Lando off the track BUT that doesn't give Lando permission to overtake off the track either.
hence why both should be punished
@min-lu Not really because according to the guidelines, overtaking around the outside requires the front axle of the outside car to overlap the front axle of the inside car.
If this doesn't happen, then the outside car is not entitled to racing room. It's a gray area that needs to be looked at.
@@Andre_The_Millennial That's the whole point of the video. The guidelines are flawed, and the FIA is inconsistent. The way they were dishing out penalties in t12 for forcing another driver off all weekend should have applied to Max also.
@jt9926-l6l They got penalties because they completed overtakes by pushing someone off. Different scenarios. But the rules need to be redone
Just let them Race and these cheesy tactics to just force your opponent off the track to have them Back down or get a Penalty is lame.
But Lando also just isnt the guy to Beat Max for a WDC. Hes under pressure, often fails the start and Fell for Max' tricks.
The only guys on the track to know how to race him are Lewis and Charles. And yes I am a Leclerc fanboy but if the Ferrari keeps consistant next here he's the guy who can beat him and get his deserved title
I watch F1 since 1999 and as a Michael Schumacher fanboy I think Verstappen is a lot like him actually. Very fast already but also ready to always Test the limits of the rules, no regrets by forcing the opponent wide and accept a Crash. Especially 90s Michael was just ruthless. You needed a calm guy like Mika to deny him some titles. Mika showed Michael quickly that his tricks And ruthless driving Style like against Hill And Villeneuve didnt Work with him and He was in Michaels head.
And Charles to me is much more like the Mika to Max than Lando is
Nobody cares about your feelings what is the right way to fight on track. It is about rules. And Max was smarter and outplayed Lando. With more and more rules the racing will only get worse.
And that's a lie right there! Lando was already ahead of Verstappen 200 metres before(!) the corner! Then, Verstappen tried to REovertake Land without using his brakes and was therefore momentally ahead once more at the apex!!!!! S t u p i d Warwick!
Lando will finish 3rd in the standings 😂😂😂
Max was defending that's why he not getting penalize..so his conerring will be influenced by Lando getting of track not to be overtaken to cry later
But the biggest problem is (sorry Aldas only watch 1:42 of your video) Why can't Norris pass Verstappen in a faster car?
Max is an aggressive defender? He’s not driving a VCarb
because max is a better driver...
@@nikobellic2515 so Norris is driving a VCard ?
Dont Complain now... all the F1 fans, drivers, teams, media applauded and cheer on Max's poor, dangerous and illegal driving against Hamilton in 2021.. Fact! THE FIA and toxic F1 fanbase created a monster.. now watch as wheel to wheel racing destroyed
I completely agree that both Max and Lando should have received a penalty. Max pushed Lando off the track. Lando overtook Max off the track. Simple.
Who is this Shar Leclair fellow you mentined?
All the time you must leavea da space!
the fia are bad at their jobs
Couldn’t have said it better Aldas
This race just confirmed to me how bias the fia are to max imo
And if they don’t penalise him he’s just gonna keep doing it and will cause more crashes
Shambolic decision to give Lando a penalty. Definitely should have been both or neither.
how people think max don't have bias from stewards after this race is stupid.
They doing everything they can to gift him another championship. He was allowed to overtake off track in Austria, and now Lando gets a penalty after being forced off. Insane
You are a TeamLH fan boi, so no need to listen to you.
@@Big-Preparation Found another Team LH fan boi....
@@Big-Preparation oh the FIA are disgraces
McLaren fanboy
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@@gamechip06 because only when McLaren get a penalty he posting this video
maFIA
I've never seen a driver who ''is fighting the world championship'' be so soft fighting.
Lando will never be a WC material having the best car since Miami.
It takes more than a car to be a champion.
In spanish we say to him: ''Blando'' Norris, because he is ''Soft'', and you can even say ''Bland'' lmao.
100 percent agree mate
FIA doing everything they can to gift Verstappen another championship
Wasnt the reason he got penalized because that was his 3rd strike ontrack limits???
Its amazing how Schumacher and senna was well known for this style racing. They wiuld put the car in the spot. Either the other dirver lifts or they both wreck. Lando was trying it earlier this year with his famous divebombs. When lewis defends he does the same thing. Yet people act like max is only one to do this. 😂😂😂
Lando was getting a penalty either way. As he went over track limits to many times at that point also. Why didnt lando try the cross over once? If you know max is gonna try that move, why not do the cross over?
While I don't agree with how late Max braked, you'd think Lando would have expected what's going to happen by now and try to fake Max out. Or do literally anything else than the same outside move for the 10th time.
If lando gave the place back then verstappen would have been penalized for forcing a driver offtrack
Alonso 20 SECONDS penalty !
Norris had 4 warnings about leaving the track and his 5th warning gets the penalty.
The fact that the McLaren pit wall thought that they could get away with an overtake on Max outside of the track limits just shows that McLaren don't have any semblance of race IQ, especially under pressure with championship implications. They had the pace to overtake Max after Turn 19 in the same lap and yet they didn't even bother hedging penalty risks by giving back the position to Max in a spot that would put Lando best placed for another overtake. McLaren is to blame for Lando's fumbling the 2024 championship. Lando already does enough to fold under pressure, but McLaren's strategy is simply just amateur level work for all of us to witness.
they shouldn't have to give it back. max was in the wrong
@Hamilton8timeChampion ah yes, **reads your name** a very unbiased and clearheaded opinion. It doesn't matter what you or anyone else thinks now does it? Even if you are right, that doesn't change what I said. They could've avoided this whole situation by giving him the position and overtaking him again. They had the pace. That is what you get when you leave it to the FIA to make the call.
I agree with you, it would have been the best thing to do, but I don't blame them: they expected a penality for Verstappen for forcing Lando outside of the track.
If you penalize Russel then you have to penalize Verstappen too, it's 100% objective there aren't any interpretations.
@@Hamilton8timeChampionYou don't do that. You don't risk it.
Lewis always overtook Max easily, why because he patiently wait for the next corner.
How are you a Lewis fan and don't know this
If Lewis had been in that car, he would have overtaken him easily.
He did it in Jeddah, Brazil and about a few other races in 21 where Max absolutely deserved penalties.
Lando and McLaren are just novices honestly.
@@Romulus1001 how is my username relevant to this
Get rid of track limits problem solved.
Perez should be out after the Mexican gp
Max deserved a 5 second penalty
And Lando in fact deserved a 10 second penalty
Sooo.....
My interest in F1 was nearly broken this weekend, yes it started in 21
No one cares