Hawaii's 'dirty secret' could have caused hundreds of wildfire deaths
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2023
- "There are untold numbers of homeless people who are in Lahaina who cannot be identified."
Hundreds of unnamed homeless people who were given "one way tickets" to Hawaii have died in the wildfires at Lahaina likely pushing the death rate into the thousands, says Journalist CJ Grace.
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They need to bring in Fire Investigators from around America to do a proper investigation. The legal system should close down any Land Grabs.
I expect both of those things to happen.
That will not happen unless they go by a 'script'. It's a shame the native Hawaiians could not have fought off the US and left alone before becoming a state. It's too late.
System rigged
I don't think THEY will do anything to help, it's the opposite to their plan.
thats just stupd... hawaii has a state police and a state fire marshals office, quite capable of investigating..
land grabs..how silly,, if land is for sale,, someone is going to buy it.. you cant buy land thats not for sale.. get a grip on reality
Absolutely diabolical what happened to the people of Lahaina. I dont believe for a second that this fire was caused from natural occurrences.
Notice, there have been quite a few on the mainland too. There have been quite a few here in Texas and in neighboring Louisiana. We've had droughts before but never fires like this,..or fires at all!!!
Electrical wires snapped during the high hurricane winds and were still energised sparking to light the fires which can be seen on many videos, then you have the hurricane winds fuelling the fires with 50 to 70 mph winds. If there was arson, then no, either of these are not natural, but if you dare claim this was some science fantasy fiction super laser beam, then you are a victim of a gov intelligence agency mass psychological operation of which the purpose is to discredit actual real conspiracies _[like the NWO agenda to bring us into a nightmare technocracy]_ to make them seem like bonkers fool flat earth theories so that way the general gullible populace will further disregard those that are true conspiracies, not theories.
Agree
@nichmon3221 yes I'm in Texas too.
Real Estate Agent named Eric West has a RUclips channel called Hawaii Real Estate. He is organizing data, fundraising directed to GoFundMe Accts, Individual VENMO accts of survivors (100% going into survivors' hands), interviewing survivors for their accts, etc. He and others with knowledge of melting temps, etc are documenting everything & coming up with things that just don't fit. He has also discovered a new law that had been put in place in July changing the requirements for rebuilding historical areas so they don't have to be rebuilt to the way they had been. There are too many shady aspects to this incident.
My god the corruption and incompetence goes deep on this one…😳🤦♀️🥶🥔
capital G for God if you’re speaking about the true and living God
Seattle and Portland have been flying their homeless to Oahu and Maui for years. My brother has been on Oahu for over 40 years. The problem came to light when they started showing up at the local chamber of commerce and asked for their tickets back to the states because they were told they could come back when they wanted (after winter). I have told people this on various sites and so many call me a liar. I can only surmise they have not been to Hawaii in the past 10 years.
I lived in Seattle for 6 years before moving to Oahu for 10 years and Maui for 1 year, and I specifically saw a homeless person from Seattle I saw on the bus to work daily. When I saw the person in Hawaii and I was blown away (this person was unmistakable for multiple reasons)! I asked around and I was told it was common knowledge that other states ship their homless to Hawaii. I have since moved back to outside of Seattle and I have been told by a friend who works for the housing department that Seattle ships their homeless to other cities as well.
That us so upsetting. Oregon not only state doing it.
Thank you for sharing!! This is the 1st I have heard of this. This is outrageous on so many levels
Believable .....
The majority that are sent back to the mainland do not want to return to hawaii.
Incompetent government is to blame. 20 years of ample warnings, zero action. Hold them accountable.
Democratic rule..just like SF..portland..
All planned
Did citizens do anything about the problems?!
California has always gotten homeless sent to their state on buses. ALL states should share in that.
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Many children were incinerated in their homes.Roads were blocked with no alternate escape routes provided. Water was off, power was on. Coordinated incompetence. 🙏🏻❤️👵
Bones still gotta be crushed...
Biden doesnt care.
I prefer to think of it as "coordinated crime"!!!
@@lindsayschilling8707 Yes; they're very competent at crimes against humanity.
@@rgratefulBut but.but,,,, his Corvette !!!!
So so sad ...people who perpetrated this disaster will pay for their participation by the Grace of God! Mark my words!
Soon I pray.
There's an eternal fire that awaits anyone who maliciously schemed to cause this fire unless they come confess and repent.
…you mean by God’s justice.
I wouldn’t want to be in their shoes, with each step deeper they go, to deceive folks.
Agree....It is gonna happen..😡
For sure, karma will get those responsible for this wildfires & sudden land grabs in Maui. These victims are still reeling to what happened in their island.
I understand the need to keep turism alive, but knowing now that the Chief of Police had no regrets not sounding the warning system would make many think twice about visiting Maui...
The discussion about sirens is if the people only have one association and therefore one response, using it for a different emergency can get people killed.
In Maui the sirens are for tsunamis: the response is to go to the highest ground. During the fires that would have trapped people and guaranteed death.
So the current dialogue is to develop warning systems that utilize the existing installations and can be tailored to different situations. I wonder if the sirens can produce different sound patterns like we have for ambulance, firetruck and police car.
@@nightfall3605People are smart enough to look outside and see there is a fire. Doesnt explain why they also refused to fight the fires or release the water, or why they blocked the exits.
It was not the chief of police. It was the head of the Maui Emergency Management Agency who made that bad decision and then resigned
Chief of police is former FBI.....was in charge of Las Vegas...suspicious..
They should all step down and be fired for not ringing the sirens along with Gov't
The emergency sirens are for Emergency, everything under the sun emergency. This act was a war on the homeless, poor, and native Hawaiians.
Evidently not on MAUI. Maybe someone should have thought of that a long time ago! And did they have dry brush, debris in their yards? Did they practice fire prevention? There's probably enough blame to go around!
@22lyric those brush fire started on government properties not private home owners.
Your Emergency Services must be aware of this, we have help during our fire season from OS fire fighting personnel, the USA, Canada etc. So we learn from each other. The Emergency Services meet during the year to discuss working together, the level of fire risk in the oncoming season, to inform government, & co-ordinate the Services to best advantage. What to save, & what is too dangerous to try & save, evacuation triggers, anything new & useful. Citizens prompt local govt if there's an area needing a clean up, especially pre Xmas before many council workers go on leave. Just at the peak fire risk time, although, that's now stretching out with climate change, instead of being 3-4 months, in some cases it's 6+ months. Very scary, but everyone chips in.
PS, There's reminders to look out for the vulnerable: elderly, disabled, or young families with babies, to make sure they're OK, hydrated, & prepared to move out on short notice. Making sure, others know where you are, eg relatives interstate, family & friends across town, & note to Emergency Services if you've gone to a refuge. No unnecessary searching for people. Save time, save lives.
I 100 % believe this, I came back to Maui this past December and I noticed the homeless on Maui and Oahu, really sad. This is so unfair to the local Hawaiians
homeless people are unfair to local people where ever they are.
my hart is bleeding.
There are many many homeless all across the country but after living in Maui for 15 years I have seen more and more on Maui.
The profits these resorts are making, don't stay in Maui for the betterment of Maui. They leave just operating capital and that's it.
Are the Maui resorts giving one way tickets for a cheap, controllable work force. I watched a video of people hiding behind rocks as the fire advanced on them by the ocean, they were speaking some other language. Very high-pitched voice.
turists
I've heard that a family of 4 in maui need an income of $8900/month just to live there. For locals that means you have to work 2 and 3 jobs just to make ends meet. It's disgusting especially for the Hawaiian People who own that land and have been displaced by rich people
So call the rich people out. Ax obammy why he has done nothing or orpah who gave out some pillows she got free. obammy wants to rail against the rich when he has enough money to personally rebuild the entire city. Yet blacks see him as a sort of god that 'showed the white man' while ignoring he did nothing for them ot the country as a whole. How long can the ignorant stay ignorant?
its not the rich its the legislaters
@@reitapresley925that work for the rich...they anit doing it for nuthing...its called Incentives....
Don't worry Joe gave them $700 bucks. What a gesture. "No comment".
Its the Rich Keeping them afloat..without the tourists the islands would be Nothing
Why “should” tourists come if it has been demonstrated that in crisis, your life is in serious danger on Maui
I firmly believe that his pension needs to be taken away anyway for dereliction of duty.😡
He has blood on his hands ! God forgive him . 🙏🏼. So many in this country seem to like to power & control through their bad decisions as to the welfare of we the people? And then surprised at bad outcomes?
So he doesn't use the warning system due to his own thinking that they'd go the wrong direction?
So he chose to give them no chance at all due to his own faulty reasoning? Horrible excuses . 😢
He needs to be PUT AWAY for criminal negligence!
People should come from all over the world and march in the millions...force the city to answer questions like why is the police chief also the city's coroner? Why was the wifi and cell service turned off earlier that day? Why was the traffic all blocked? So many questions 😢
EXACTLY......THANK YOU.....those are the things we need to discuss right now.....and not homeless people......people died...homeless or not.....we need answers....why they blocked the streets? who gave orders....and why? wake up people
The streets were blocked because of downed power lines across the road.
@@williamthomson3018 Yes and the sirens didnt sound because people will be confused and run towards the fire....and they cut water because its so valuable....and don't forget the internet...so no alarms.....yeap!!!
One big disadvantage of Hawaii is she's an island can't be reached or access by land and can be easily cut off.
@gatoulla - the streets were blocked because of downed power lines. The water was NOT shut off. All of the buildings and homes engulfed in flames caused the water pressure to drop drastically, because they all were leaking.
The individual who made the call not to sound the sirens (horrendous mistake), has resigned. Probably resigned, before he would have been fired, so he can be eligible for his pension.
This was just so horribly tragic. My heart literally breaks thinking about it. 😢
HOW DOES A BODY JUST Disappear in a regular FIRE, A REGULAR FIRE DOSEN'T GET THAT "HOT"
Correction: the children were sent home NOT because of "an earlier blaze" but due to the high wind.
I've been following this from Australia and am 😡 and disgusted that such incompetence can cause the deaths of over 1,000 children and adults.
The Police that blocked an exit to traffic should be charged with multiple counts of homicide and manslaughter.
I hate to say it, but “incompetence” doesn’t describe it, as this horror was very much INTENTIONAL. This is a land grab.
@@cl5080
I was trying to put the best construction on it,
but I think if what everyone's saying is true, with drone no fly zones,
black tarps cordoning off fire damaged streets,
missing children,
it's totally diabolical.
@@cl5080 SAY IT OUTLOUD, EVERYONE KNOWS THIS!!
America's falling apart; really the whole world is but we're leading the charge. It may sound unbelievable but we're headed to civil war ; my guess is by 2030.
I’ve been following your guys wildfires coverage back in 2019 as I have friends who live in Victoria and South Aus. And it just baffles me how we have military bases in Hawaii, and emergency rescue ships were not sent out to perform water evacuations. I would think that the military would’ve been prepared for something like this even though wildfires of that magnitude are an unheard of thing to ever happen over there. Y’all did this in your country back in 2019 because y’all knew that many of the fires burning in areas where it trapped people and the only place for those people to go was straight into the ocean.
It’s not just Maui. Last year while working for a local supermarket I had a couple come in that told me they were from California and they were given Greyhound bus tickets and gift cards to anywhere in the US they wanted to go and they chose our town. They had been homeless for five years and have been living in our town for two months so far. I also had a sheriffs deputy tell me that they were having major problems with influxes of homeless people from California who also received money from their state government and bus tickets to come here. How about you clean up your own problem instead of sending them to other places
😮😮😮😮😮
I'm sorry but how do bus tickets get you to Hawaii?
@@deborahmyers5205 I don't think OP is in Hawaii, but a mainland state.
They might be trying to give them a ticket to get back to family or friends, rather than remain homeless.
I don't understand why the US doesn't fix its homeless problem rather than pouring money into foreign aid.
If I've learned anything, from the many unfortunate events I've looked into during my 43 years on Earth, it's this... TEST EVERYTHING FOR ANYTHING!! The beach, the vehicles, the dust, the soil, the water, the grass, the trees, the buildings, the flags, the air, the power lines... and I mean test for ANYTHING & EVERYTHING!! 💯💯
What are u testing for?
@@gaycook230 ANYTHING and EVERYTHING! He said it TWICE :)
My cousin visited Maui and Lahaina in December 2016 and he met and spoke to some of the homeless people there. He had told me about the homeless coming from the mainland and that life was easier there because of the climate and it was easier for them as tourists were more generous with giving monetary gifts as well as food.
It is the same in California. Better weather, more money
@@LynneWright and with the descending quality of life, this is offset with people leaving California for better conditions . . .
@uplandhunter1869 so being homeless in Hawaii is an "ascending quality of life"?
Explain...
and also the availability of drugs is also makes feeding addictions very easy. it was a homeless persons paradise too.
@@uplandhunter1869 We all have descending quality of life under this current regime.
My son went to Waikiki and said he could not believe the homeless that told him their states paid for their ticket to Waikiki.
Might be a good scam to get a free ticket .
SMH .. thanks to usurped regime sitting in our WH that should be run out in hand cuffs
@@brega6286LMAO true.....😂..
Same on kauai, every week new homeless people appear. Families seem to think they’ll be better off here. But bacteria thrive in our warm climate and are especially harmful to those living outdoors. It all seems like rainbows and harmlessness, but the climate in hawaii is harsh and unforgiving. People end up in our hospitals, one after the other, limbs nearly falling off. And sometimes they do.
They should be charged with willful neglect. Never mind resigning to escape from justice.
They need to be charged with manslaughter!
don't let this get brushed under the carpet. never forgive. never forget.
I've never gotten over 911... Never will and neither this. When I see heads start to roll I may heal a little...
@@thekingsilverado3266 i know exactly what u mean. stay strong my friend. we will get through this.
The stupidity is unforgivable . 🇨🇦💞🙏🏻those involved I hope have their conscience seared like a hot iron , that they do not sleep . Absolutely cruel and then to make excuses !
@@Nancie6290 Psychopaths have no empathy. they cannot realize what they've done wrong for themselves. they are not capable of such things. empathy and sympathy etc, are alien concepts to them. they merely feign human emotions to fit in. they go along to get along, but it's all an act and they don't really know what they are doing.
My wife and I went to Lahaina last October....I remember a homeless encampment off the main road to the town back in the brush....
"In the brush". yes..had two fires close to home started by homeless camp in California. No one listened ! It took over 7years to enforce brush clearing.
It's Sad ,that people have NO RESPECT FOR LIVES LOST,AND LIFE PERIOD...💞🕯️💞🙏✝️
getting rid of a zip code was easy task for US government , now they are trying to get rid of entire island
Not true. I am few thousand miles away in the Pocono Mountains and my empathy and heart go to all the people being affected by this geo terrorism right now and in the past. There are times I wish I could put my arms around the world when things go on just like Ukraine and the likes. Maybe my arms would hold the weight but my heart is stricken with grief.
They have left purposly residents of Lahaina to be burnt alive!😈
They have even blocked the escape exits ,they haven't allowed volunteering fireman from other places to come and help, US Army had so many stations around and nobody helped.
So many other inhuman decisions brought terrible death in the fire for the people.
It's a genocide!
Immediately the investors started to push the victims to sell them the land!
It's terrible true about these deadly fires.
This was/is a holocaust!
Democrats break my heart. And these people vote for their executioners.
💯 Genocide, land grab and use it for the rich and famous. When the US is not attacking other countries to loot, they turn on their own. That senile mf attempted to make a cash cow out of Maui before his time is up, Don't let him.
@@RawOlympiaAre you under the impression that the "executioners" are above election fraud? Because they actually cheat elections.
There has been a homeless problem throughout this state for years.
Most people outside Hawaii don't know this until they come to the state.
I don't know the extent of it on Maui but in Honolulu it has been an issue for years.
in Kona, we saw quite alot of it as well just this May. We go there every April and we never saw ONE homeless person back 14 years ago and this year we met many!
@@seashellmac1968
Yes I don't what tourists are told about homelessness in Hawaii but those of who live here see it every day.
Mis-information
@3:40
The schools were still out for summer break.
Hawaii is NOT a State!
Homelessness is an international issue that's increasing exponentially in scope..💔
It's shocking. On our last trip to Hawaii, the homelessness just about ruined the trip for my husband.
My heart goes out to these people I don't know how to help them and I want to 😢
These people are in my prayers.
Fires were started intentionally.
@lucillecable6574 this gentleman is actually collecting donations. The links are attached. He seems legit but if you want to do more research to make sure feel free. Someone posted that he was selling T-shirts as well to help. He's also listed the info to contact the politicians in Hawaii to put pressure on them. Forgot to add, please do not donate to Red Cross or any govt agencies stating they are collecting donations to help
DO NOT GIVE TO RED CROSS!
If HAWAII WASN'T AMERICA we wouldn't have this problem in HAWAII. NO excuses for not sounding da SIREN. GOVERNMENT, GOVERNOR AND MAYOR is totally responsible for da VICTIMS LOVE ONES AND VICTIMS. SAY NO MORE.
you are saying because Hawai'i is USA it had the fire problem? Sure looked like most of the people in charge were "locals".
The excuse was the siren is associated with tsunamis and the response is to go to highest ground. In a fire that is the worst response and would cause deaths.
@@nightfall3605 well I understand the locals understand that the sires are for anything now, hurricanes, fires, tsunami's etc. BUT, being that Lahaina is a big tourist town, they would probably have thot it was for a tsunami and maybe run further back into town. The fire didn't sweet into the entire town like a blanket, it came just in a few areas at first, so there were plenty of places where at first there was no fire.
Here in Australia, if we here the emergency community siren, we tune into our local broadcaster to here information on what is the emergency, where is it exactly, what to do: eg; where do we go, or is it a code yellow, or orange. Be ready to evacuate, or evacuate now.
@@francesbrennan5160 That sounds like a logical and well thought out process. Where we live on the east coast our smartphones will warn us of tornadoes, but not everyone has reliable signal or the right kind of phone.
This is sick😢
Lahaina Parents already interviewed by Eric West of Hawaii Real Estate said the children were not sent home from school that day. Nor were they even in School. They were home because it was their last day of Summer Vacation.
That's the thing I was curious about, kids going to school in August? I'm not American, August is summer holidays for the kids in my country.
@@finnmcginn9931seems like someone wants to lengthen the school year…
I am/was a teacher at the school thst completely burned down and you are correct. It was the last day of summer break.
That's what I heard as well being reported early on.
Yes someone needs to be responsible for all these people who died!
SURE, THEY WERE MURDERED, NO WATER , SHOVED BACK INTO THE FIRE!!
@@nannerlchanel5045
And what about the fact that the police blocked off traffic from escaping the fires. Can we report on that please?
Say what????
If you watch the guys 40 min video people drove in circles alot. Real chaotic
@@Fubar2024 ruclips.net/video/VwmRAw0Fvf4/видео.html
Yeah, i saw that. i have been waiting for someone to say that. Was that the real cause?? After covid, i really have a hard time trusting the media.
You mean the traffic stops to prevent people from walking/driving on high voltage lines? But lets continue the conspiracy theories that the police wanted death.
Oh yes, shipping out the homeless with one way tickets also took place in Canada a few years back when Saskatchewan shipped a couple homeless native men to British Columbia. It was discovered immediately and all over the news. Saskatchewan is a terrible province for the way they treat its citizens homeless or not.
Yeah but shipping the homeless to paradise? I don’t think so. There’s already homeless already there. Maui is a resort heavy island. A huge gap between the haves and have nots. These are all just second hand stories… what’s the real story behind the over 300 missing?
@@crayonewhy not ship them there if they knew they would die. Worldwide depopulation. The Georgia Guidestones wrote it in stone!
They also did this where I live, in BC. shipped homeless from Vancouver's downtown Eastside to the Fraser Valley for the 2010 Olympics. God forbid people see what it's really like.
I live near a forested area in Hawaii and just about every couple years or so, there's a wildfire that originates from a homeless encampment.
I do not believe this fire was from natural causes. Either it did start in a homeless encampment, and yours is among two dozen I've seen from people on the ground in Hawaii, or it was what we call in the Continental U.S. "Jewish Lightning."
People don't want the truth, can't handle it, or both!
I wouldn't speak for others. I also wouldn't be grinning while speaking this travisty.
We all know the " truth"!
Absolutely ridiculous casting of news.
I went to HS in Hawaii and served three tours on island.
I'm furthmore disgusted on the lack of empathy and compassion.
I saw a suggestion that they bring in a couple of cruise ships parked off Maui that would provide housing to tourist while they spend money on the island. They could also house locals needing long term housing? When I went to Oahu in February, they would NOT allow me to buy a ticket there unless it was round trip.
That would be rational/logical…NOT going to happen with present admin. whose goal is planned mayhem…. ❤️🔥🙏🙏🙏❤️🔥
We had a siren in our town that could be heard 6 miles away and there were different blasts for different situations like one blast for fire and two blasts for local emergency and three blasts for Federal emergency - can't believe they had a huge siren with only one code
I'll send ya my neighbors old lady you can here her mouth farther than that.
IMO……… I believe it was ALL planned!! God Bless the families that have suffered!! ❤️🙏❤️
Absolutely the rich want that land .And their going to get it one way or another !! All the expensive mansion were untouched ..All the signs pointing to controlled burning 🔥
I was born in 1964! And since I was a child they always gave the same warning sound that could be for ANY emergency. After the warning sound, they then tell you what specific emergency it is for! Makes no sense what that official said about just a different sound for each situation!
I read about this some recent years ago. I couldn't understand how could a homeless and/or illegal alien could travel there. Apparently there are a great deal of illegals working in restaurants. Homeless people like it there because of the weather and a great deal of giveaways.
Ha ha. no givaway for free
Stop speculating based on what you read, when you don’t even live here. Mind your own backyard.
@@martabarbeau5061 You kids get off my yard?
The homeless are given one way tickets by cities such as Seattle and Portland.
Be sure and continue supporting Demoncraps as Biden just announced he needs donations for ...his reelection
Here on Guam, most of the homeless were locals (brown skin). Then we started seeing more white people homeless. I just assumed they lost their jobs and didn't have money for their air ticket, which could cost like $1200 one way to the Mainland. Anyway, we found out from a few homeless males that they were put on a one-way ticket from Hawaii to Guam.
So Hawaii sends out their homeless, too.
The midwest sends their homeless to California.I watched the rural bus stop and the transients who popped up. Struck up conversations and found out about this.
Why is she smiling while saying "way more than that"!!!???
Many native Hawaiians also became homeless after tourism increased the cost of housing. I saw a documentary on this problem (can't remember the name).
Exactly!
Those who work in those
hotels, etc. can barely
afford to live in Hawaii.
This is happening everywhere- native or not.
Hawaii are for elites & that is what US gov wants
Most “ Hawaiians” are Asian now a days. Very few true Hawaiians left
Interesting fact.... The police chief in Maui was the same guy in charge of the Las Vegas harvest concert blood bath....
Which states were sending their homeless to Hawaii? I would like to hear which ones did that. That should be easy to track. The states would know who they sent there since they would have needed an ID.
Several in the comment section say it was California, but who knows. Cali says other states were sending their homeless to them and that Hawaii was one of those states, hence reason why Cali started sending them to Hawaii. It's all hearsay, without talking to the homeless in question there's no real way to know for sure and it sounds like many are dead now :(
Who is funding the one way tickets??
Washington State, California, Minnesota, Arizona, Florida and the list goes on. Look at the Honolulu PD arrest logs. About 1/3 of the daily log is made up of homeless folks sent here from the mainland. Some are sent here by their family members and most are sent by the state with a cell phone and $1000.
Could be hired actors too
Thats nothing states have been sending homeless to SF for years
Please stop putting snippets of the video at the start it is so jarring. Nobody wants it.
I am perfectly happy about it.
Sirens would have woke everyone!..but the fact the front street was the only accessible road was a death trap!!! Winds coming from both directions and power lines down and active..and front street was the only way in and out at Pau Hana time! That was wrong!!! That is the reason where everyone was trapped!! With the fact that the island is dry and literally only one road in and out of west Maui!!!
Those facts you gave about front street, one way in one way out along with the conditions of dryness and conditions of winds from the hurricane and one fire already said to have been contained was reason enough to have issued a mandatory evacuation early on. Every official should resign. Their Lack of competence and not seeing to the safety of the citizens trapped the children and people in the inferno.
There should be a law to prevent the homeless from coming to Hawaii. As far as I am concerned we should not have people moving here because it is using up all of our resources. Too many people are moving here and our locals are forced to move to the mainland. That is so wrong!!!
The mainland has the same problem. You have the mentally ill homeless, the drug addicted homeless, the military veterans who are homeless and the millions of illegals who just walk across the southern border and expect everything they want or need to be given to them. We need to fix the problem not just keep sending it off to some place else. Some has to not be a Democrat or a Republican first they need to be an American first and start doing what it takes to make the lives of Americans better and once that is done and secure we can take a look at helping others around the world.
Let's ban them everywhere while we're at it. NIMBYism is a good thing.
They've done it in California too but usually said to be sent from one town to the next. You can tell when a group has been recently migrated or various ones wondering aimlessly you can tell they are new to the area.
Be Glad U dont have mexico next door with ppl. from south america coming too
Us on the mainland feel the same way about the 3 million illegals Biden has let in so far. Maybe the Dems in Hawaii who voted for Biden’s agenda should take those 3 million illegals
The last time I was in Hawaii, it was the 1980's. I almost got an internship there in the 1990's but the wages were so low, I went with Walt Disney World instead. But I really loved Hawaii. My heart goes out to the people.
" Keystone Cops strike again " 😑
Back in the late 90's at my place of work,
I talked to one of my co workers who was about to retire.
When he told me had plans to live on Hawaii as a homeless person I couldn't believe it!
"Man you are retiring with a full pension and health care pkg. And you want to live as a homeless person?"
He defended his novel approach to retirement, including the fabulous weather over there. But also mentioned how the government of California was sending their homeless people to Hawaii in an effort to clean up skid row.
I couldnt believe what I was hearing.
Her commentary during this interview jarred my memory or what I was told decades ago
If you are going to be homeless, you might as well be homeless in a nice place!
@MsEagle20 that's the "logic" shared by so many people. New York, Philadelphia, Seattle, San Francisco, Skid Row in LA., or even San Diego.
On the surface it is all so easy to say that Hawaii hosts a more inviting climate than any of the above (San Diego is legendary for its reasonably comfortable moderate weather year around).
So that could be an advantage.
Someone who thinks like generally believes that the weather, in and of itself, would more than make up for whatever other challenges a homeless person might experience over there.
Not sure if you plan on making the beach over in Hawaii, in a tent, your place of residence anytime soon, or if its just a fanciful notion of yours,
but get your head out of the blue waters, ukaleles, and coconut palms and employ logic and common sense and THINK.
Do some research on the subject.
Watch interviews on youtube about those who are homeless and learn from them if indeed it is better to be in that situation over there as opposed to someplace like Orange county.
Better yet, take a trip over there and see for yourself what life is really like over there.
Many times that conclusion you shared is based on a form of escapism from the economic struggles people face in other places, like over on mainland USA.
It ain't easy, by no means. It's not aleays easy for me. But take Hawaii's more inviting climate out of the equation and the jarring reality of homelessness over there is STILL homelessness.
Oh by the way, my coworker who thought of becoming homeless in Hawaii? He has visited there several. times, saw what homelessness over there is REALLY like, and is now retired in Montana.
And he loves it.
Who knows? Choosing to be homeless in Hawaii might be a good fit for some.
But it most definately wasn't for him. Nor would it be for me.
Back in the 70's The Big Island and Maui had laws that you needed to get a camping permit and could only stay in one camp ground for 3 weeks. Places were visited by park officials daily and they kept things under control. You never saw homeless people. I wonder what changed?
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The more people that go to Maui where businesses are functioning, my belief is that it would be honoring the people and the pets and livestock that perished in the fire because they're promoting the island and businesses to keep it flourishing 💕💕🌹🌹
I think there's a lot of people who see this as intentional. They want to push out the elders or anyone wanting to keep their culture. Adding in the homeless is another evil. May God be with the people affected by this and may he let the truth be known to all.
I have a feeling homeless people actually fared better since they have street smarts and more likely to be on foot so they didn't get stuck behind the police barricades blocking exit from the town.
Those who sat in the traffic jam and followed orders were more likely to be at risk.
i want to know why police barracaded highways and had orders to block roads OUT of Lahaina and turned evacuation vehicles around not letting them out.
Now they didn't even put out sirens too
My friend booked a holiday to New York - and then 9/11 happened just before she went. She decided to go anyway, but said the atmosphere was absolutely awful and regretted going. (From her hotel window, the smoke from the ruin was visible). She felt like she couldn't even smile, let alone enjoy herself.
So I think it's perfectly understandable that no one wants to go to Maui right now.
How could you laugh, smile, drink, eat too much, dance at a nightclub, surf and do all the other things expected in Hawaii, when the opposite side of the island is filled with grief and anger and uncertainty and homeless, desperate people?
Yes, tourism 'will' be affected badly. Businesses will likely shut. That's the way of incidents like this.
It's unfortunate this catastrophe is now hitting the tourist industry, but tourists don't want to go near sites of recent tragedy, especially not ones of this magnitude. It does feel disrespectful, and I don't think I would have a favourable view of any friend of mine if they decided to go to Maui at this time, especially not while the authorities are still looking for the deceased.
Every day there are countless people all around you , in your neighborhood , your city , your state , your country , the world is filled with people who are filled with grief , anger , uncertainty , homeless and desperate . a lot closer than the other side of an island . Sadly or luckily , I'm not sure which , life continues after and despite suffering and tragedies . If businesses close that just makes more people filled with uncertainty , who cant pay their rent , who end up homeless and desperate and filled with anger There's more than enough now , ease suffering dont add to it .
yes but thaty was New York City, Maui is a big island just as NY is a big state and Im sure areas outside of NY City were just fine
The Democrats are failure on Maui. Maui needs taxpayers. Maui needs fresh cash now!
people were in grief all over the city - it would have been a good time to go there to help, I had one friend who did but his leg was crushed in the rubble and the hospitals were all over crowded
@@RawOlympia who do you blame?
Some locals who survived have shared that they have come across many previously homeless people who are now living in resort hotels with warm beds, showers, free meals, clothing, etc. They never had it so good.
Just why shouldn't the homeless be treated with dignity to be able to have a bed to sleep in u must think u r so much better😢
Just why shouldn't the homeless be treated with dignity to be able to have a bed to sleep in u must think u r so much better😢
They should have had something good in their lifes I have a warm bed to sleep in and a home I'm so happy for the homeless to have one to
U sound. Very greedy
@@kathydavis2764 They should be provided for yes , I agree . But in shelters , not in luxury hotels that working people can’t even afford.
It doesn't help that Hawaii has the same big catch 22 that all states do but with the downside of being an island and harder to leave; you can not get a job without a home and you cannot get a home without a job. There are very limited ways to get jobs when you don't have "reliable transportation" (apparently the bus system has never counted as reliable), a place to shower daily and access to clean clothes daily.
With the exception of illness, how does one wind up in those circumstances?
Better to send donations rather than traveling there. Obviously. Donate the money that you would have spent for airfare too.
Both is necessary, as sadly, Hawaii depends on tourism. Lahaina is is ashes but not the rest of Maui. Many small businesses need a bit of tourism to stay open and make a living. Speaking as someone who hates our tourist industry here but many small businesses depend on visitor business. We don't need the rest of the island to go under. Don't listen those celebrities like Jason Momona telling people to stay away.
@@puidemare2337 Well, I was always a West Maui person, stayed in WM every time. Have no interest really in staying anywhere else on Maui. Now the entirety of WM is closed.
Other states also send their homeless people to Los Angeles with one way tickets.It's a tragedy for these people, as there's really no place for them to go or any opportunity to better their lives..By and large these also aren't just garden variety down on their luck homeless, a huge percentage are petty criminals coming out of out of state county jails.I know this because I know a lot of homeless people, and I listen to them. There is a hierarchy, the percentage who are just down on their luck, and don't do drugs, try to stay away from the 'out of towers". Ironically, the states that send the most, are the ones who make fun of places like Hawaii and California. These are also states who have no programs to help, or desire to do so. Continued prayers to Lahaina.
Same thing here in Seattle Washington. They’re being sent from red states.
@@OlgaLevin They are being allowed in through our boarders by DEMOCRATS. Your ok with it if they stay in "Red States" but it's a problem when they show up in your neighborhood. You reap what you sow.
They send them to Oregon coast too.
why cant we buy the illegals one way ticket back to their homeland
Right ,other states send them to SF too.
Greatest coverup in American history. Kinda reminds me of the end of WW2.
Speaking of WWII, I've read a lot of comments online dissing the US, white people, etc. Maybe if the US had never gotten involved with Hawaii they wouldn't have entered WWII and they wouldn't have lost so many troops.
If you think this is the greatest cover up in American history research the history of Hawaii and how the insurgents along with American government OVERTHREW our Queen and ANNEXED Hawaii into being theirs. ACTS OF WAR that they continue to perpetuate this very day. Know the REAL truth about Hawaii and HER people.
@@22lyricWhy are people discussing this now ???
Isn't it enough that you have had a major disaster, many people, particularly children missing. With incompetent authorities MIA, to deal with. Can't the trolls hold their tongues & let you manage your grief, distress, & shock first.
a lot of homeless from out of state. They are finding out the life is harder in hawaii. The high cost of living, low wages, people are tapped out. They have to compete with other homeless people just to survive. And are preyed upon by other homeless people.
Never could afford to go to Hawaii.
Im 62, been working sense 1979.
Didn't realize all i had to do was just quit working, quit supporting myself andfamily and boom!! Just like that free trip to the islands.
That happens everywhere
My Sincere Condolences 🙏
REST IN HEAVEN ALL MAUI VICTIMS ✝️
(JOHN 14)✝️💟✝️
So they sent the kids home from school due to an earlier blaze. It's hard to fathom the idiocy in that decision. Don't they realize that most parents have to work and probably won't be at home? So these poor children are at home alone to fiend for themselves. Just outrageous and extremely heartbreaking. 😞
This is what happens when greed, corruption, super selfishness, the love of money, wilful neglect, 'just following orders' for fear of losing a job, and incompetence etc all mix into one. None shall escape the final judgment.
Happens to a lot of places, they do the same thing here in Portland because there is amnesty for a lot of criminals. Los Angeles and Colorado give one-way tickets to Portland all the time. I’d like a one-way ticket to Hawaii :-)
It’s very true that other states are sending their homeless people to the islands to frolic about the islands.
Several years ago I did speak to some of the homeless here where I live, I would take them lunch and that’s what the homeless would tell me.
As a homeless person living in my vehicle in Tucson Arizona the big democratic hellhole cities I left now just send these same dangerous people to my city of Tucson. They do it to get rid of their problematic homeless, instead of actually helping those people with treatment and especially we don't want the homeless sex offenders they keep sending here. They become a problem in the homeless population, we don't want them here either. Their behavior makes it harder for the rest of us to survive, people don't understand what is actually happening, believe me us local homeless (I've been here since I left California in 06) yes us local homeless wish those problematic ones would be sent back!
Santa Cruz was a similar destination for homeless given bus tickets. It was called Santa Claus county when I first lived here.
Santa Cruz is one of the most expensive parts of the state of CA according to the internet. Why in the world would a homeless person go there????
Weird how the fact that 'ethnic' officials had instituted a policy of checking ethnicity of callers who required fire fighter assistance, because 'equity' was more important than life.
Strange. NOTHING said about this contribution to massive delay. 😉
Getting asked about ethnicity for emergency calls should be illegal.
God bless all the ppl of the islands! Put ur trust in God, keep ur faith in God!
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I love how this entire broadcast is to steer everyone's attention away from the real issue here! It's not about homeless people but about HOW this mysterious fire only burned select targets! Random cars out in the middle of nowhere had melted rims, glass, and parts of the engine melted with the hood closed! This was clearly military weaponry, not and electrical fire!
Why or how does Larry Ellison, of Oracle, own 95% of the island of Lanai?
If you are going to make these claims of homeless people being sent to HI, you need to show some evidence for that. I am tired of social media channels spouting whatever they want without verifying sources or substantiating their claims.
Trying to prove anything is hard. Now you have to have visual/audio evidence and without permission, never know when someone will have a justice warrior lawyer to sue you out of your home.
Charge the guy who resigned criminally n take his pension
When I lived in San Francisco and volunteered with an organization helping the homeless, I heard a similar rumor about homeless people being given one way bus tickets to San Franscisco. I would believe that San Francisco rumor more than the Hawaii rumor. In order to get on a plane, you need an ID and to go through TSA. Also, a plane ticket to Hawaii is much more expensive even than a plane ticket to a different part of the mainland. This lie is harmful.
Every city itself creates its own homeless. They don't come in from elsewhere. A more believable scenario is the homeless came to the city on their own initiative when they were struggling in life and a variety of factors pushed them into homelessness shortly after they arrived. Homelessness is a poverty trap that is notoriously difficult to escape from. Huge factors are the availability of affordable housing and jobs with low qualifications that don't question people about criminal records. To reduce the number of new homeless people in the future, politicians should study what happened to these people when they arrived and address the root causes. Politicians and other policy makers should NOT just blame other cities and act like they care but are somehow helpless.
There are also those, usually young adults, who choose to be homeless. They'd rather spend what money they do get on drugs and other stuff that keeps then content. While they're still being housed by their parents, they save their fast food money and spend it on a one way ticket to Hawaii.
thnx, I have always heard about these plane tickets, and that Hawaii gave them out to get them off too, but have never seen a shred of evidence.
@@RawOlympia North Dakota is practically begging people to move there. It has a relocation help desk that solicits applications for people wanting to move to North Dakota. There is also a program in West Virginia. Also, there are a lot of high risk/high reward jobs in Alaska from private employers. If Hawaii did want to get rid of able-bodied homeless people, they could support them by helping them submit applications.
@@RawOlympia Also, Hawaii appears to need a bunch of people for temporary work to clear brush to prevent future fires and to restore the natural ecosystem on the former sugarcane plantations. Hire a bunch of the young homeless people. Perhaps some of them can move onto more permanent agricultural roles like picking fruit or doing landscaping jobs.
@@emawerna See, they need you there! Great idea. A lot of the soil under it, according, to people I met there, needs clean up from old World War II chemicals dumped post war. There is a lot of room for jobs! Cool about where you live, it's a booming place and must be very inspiring!
Very unlikely that a wild wood fire melted the cars. Time for an independent investigation.
We don't need the content repeated to us twice on every video. Why the Times Radio does this is just that they are stuck in very old style presenting. This is not TV or Radio, This is RUclips and we don't need another echo chamber thank you.
Those midwestern states did the same to California until California sued to stop the practice.
It still goes on !
This could become any one our neighborhood if we don't draw the line in Maui.
OLD Herman Andaya should be Charged with multiple homicide's; not resign and collect pension money for the people whose life he destroyed!! this is the most B.S. I ever heard!
I live in Lahaina and know the community, our homeless population is closer to 20 and Ive encountered at least 10 who are ok, 3 of which saved people
When delusion collides with reality, reality always wins!
My God, what a vile and evil thing to do. Now I understand why so many native Hawaiians hate the mainland USA.
it is wrong, but I don't think that many Hawaiians hate the mainland, it's only a few, most realize they are better off as a state than some independent nation that would quickly become colonized by China and then Hannified to a degree that makes American settling look tame. China will be like Japan was. And trust me, all Pacific Islanders recognize that Japan was worse than the US.
New York sends homeless to Florida on Greyhound buses
@@UncleSam7.62 Hi, can you tell me what um stands for? I've seen it everywhere?
@@b.ballooon9225 I have always met really nice local people. But I do see on social media especially the hatred some have towards mainlanders and white people especially. In every race/group there are good and bad, they just happened to be the bad.
@@geebrewer8186 At this point I wouldn't be surprised if a fair amount of that hatred comes from self-hating white people who think that the only people who conquered in history and the most brutal conquerors were Americans, both of which are just not true. Russia, Asia, and Africa overall have been way more brutal than most Western European nations, except maybe Belgium and France. The idea that sea based Imperialism is worse than land based is the greatest and most pervasive anti-western idea ever created, and it's spread so far even Westerners don't believe it. The cure? World history, that shows the good and the bad of all nations, instead of just America and the West.
As for this situation, it's disgusting to be sending homeless to Hawaii, and I do think all states need to work together better to create real change for all Americans rather than just passing the buck which so many of us do.
But yah I think at the end of the day the military reality of Hawaii's position will always be in the back of their heads. Naval technology has only improved since WW2, not gotton worse, which means the ability for nations to conquer overseas has gotton easier, not harder. And in reality, China has way more potential in some large scale Indo-Pacific conquest than Japan ever did, both in population, technology, and current land amount. It's main disadvantage is that it is surrounded by many free nations who are backed up by the United States, so if it wants to expand, it will probably have to deal with many nations at once. However, if the framework of the free world collapses, and the US as well, it's only a matter of time before the CCP takes all of the Indo-Pacific, including Hawaii and at least parts of India and maybe Oceania. In that case, it's only a matter of time until they reach the mainland itself. We need each other.
I do wish we had a better apparatus for fires like this, there should have been a quick way to send firefighters and gear from California to Hawaii, we have tons of firefighters here who are very experienced, I'm sure plenty would have volunteered to fly over there. But someone had to organize it, and sadly nobody in our government seemed to. So maybe next time the people do, or we need to make sure an apparatus is in place to ensure help for areas that do not usually experience a certain disaster from other areas that do experience them.
I met a homeless guy on Maui. He was only 21 years old. Came from a foster family in Wisconsin. His mother had died of cancer. Decided to take a trip to Maui because his brother had already come here. He played guitar and took a shower once a week at the Salvation Army. He did not eat much at all. He was only able to eat one donut a day. His stomach had shrunk so much from lack of food. Yet he didn’t look thin. He got beaten up by some local guys one night in Kihei. Got sent to the hospital where they operated on him. He said his intestines never felt right after that. He also had an abscess tooth. He carried a copy of the Autobiography of Yogi in his backpack, an intelligent, deep young man. But life was unfair to him and he no longer wished to be a part of society. He said a church leader drove by him one day and offered to help. He was offered a job and a room to live in. He declined. I met him in Lahaina under the Banyan Tree. Don’t know where he is today.
It's always the small mom and pop shops that bear the brunt of these disasters. God bless our people in Lahaina. 🙏❤
Hawaii started to send homeless people to California, so California started sending them to Hawaii.
Hawaii would be a good place to be if you where homeless, a Nice place
Hawaii would send homeless back to the continent, that came from the continent.
@@shannonnewman3091No. It would be harsh. It's only nice if you have money & can afford the amenities & luxuries like the great indoors. Being homeless is horrible anywhere, and Hawaii is at least as bad as anywhere else if you are condemned to be outside.
Who else was responsible for the sirens beside the guy who resigned ? They could be activated by heat sensors n have a specific sound n lighting for fires
The chief of the fire department was told not to sound the alarms by the guy ( emergency services) who resigned!!! The governor needs to be fired!!!! #Corruption!!
Lahaina is only one of THREE fires that raged on Maui at the same time.
If we can't find the people who did this, we no longer have a country.
How many of the missing are children? Why are there reported to be so many missing kids, but no one knows how many? Were they all in one place at the time of the fire? Im trying to make sense of this aspect of the story. Its quite troubling...
I was wondering about the reports of all these missing children also, in the videos no one in the local government seemed overly concerned about them. I did hear a report that just as the fire was about to hit it's worst the local school had dismissed all the children but I haven't seen anything else on it.
The schools sent all the kids home that day saying it was due to the wind. Many of them had to be home alone because their parents all work. I heard (unconfirmed) reports that before the fire hit some kind of govt-type people were going to houses, picking up children and flying them off of the island. I dont know if that is true, but it would stand to reason. The US govt does abduct children in crises that they cause across the globe (Haiti, etc.) Meanwhile, with no siren activated and no adult instructions, many of these kids were home alone when their houses were torched faster than they would have had time to react being as this was NOT a natural fire situation.
@@erinnelson434 Footage indicates that this was” NOT a natural fire”, as fire cannot choose what it wants to burn. Evidence shows that car windows were melted. Window melting point is 3622 deg F. Terrain fire temperature is 1472 deg F. This was a Dire(ted - £nergy Weap0n atta(k on selected targets.
I have heard that grandparents would have been with children . Hard to believe all the children that were sent home went to an empty house . Now I’m hearing that is incorrect , school had not started yet so there was no school . They were not at school 💞poor families
No other media talks about the one-way ticket. The cost of these disasters is what's going to break America, not the defense budget or the migrant crisis. All of it adds up, but disasters are devastating.
Why is the citizens of Maui mad at Biden? He didn't cause the fire. The people should have insurance that covers their costs. Those homes were $1Million value so they should have had insurance.
Wow, do you need to wake up fool!
People voted for Democrats that were off island, and the ones that were had np experience, like Tamara, who whole bio was just beach shots. I know you hate anyone who isn't chill and slack key, but when it comes to emergency management, hire the OCD guy that annoys you, the one who never sleeps and checks for fires every 15 minutes. If you had THAT kind of crew, you would not be in disaster mode.
From the pictures they were showing it wasn't the multi-million dollar homes that were lost. As far as Biden is concerned, no he didn't start the fire, BUT HE IS THE PRESIDENT and he should be more concerned about the lives and safety of his fellow countrymen during a developing disaster and not hurry to get out of town to go on his second vacation of the month and no amount of insurance will bring back the lives lost.
There was a lot things done by the government of Maui prior to the fire with their land . Once you see the things done by the government within months before the fire and how none of the elites houses burned , then you start questioning just what did happen.
The shear number of homeless people and camps we spotted back in the brush on Maui were appalling.
I appreciate your courage standing up for the people. 🎉
She is speaking as if she is Hawaiian.
Donations could be given by booking accommodation, though not necessarily actually going there. Private AirB&B's and B&B's.
Herman said in his own words during the first official conference "I do Not regret, not sounding the alams!" Watch the video of his very smug attitude.. disgusting!! 😢
No one appears to be talking about the local police blocking the only way out!?!