I think the quad series on the beam is really spectacular. The back to back acro series also give a great flow to the routine, compared to today's 4 lines with not a lot of artistry in between which gives the routines a very fragmented look.
So this is why beam routines were so much more entertaining when I was a kid! I also am curious why no one does the Miller on beam. My jaw always dropped when I saw Shannon Miller do that move.
I had the same epiphany as you! I knew I didn't like watching gymnastics anymore, but I blamed it on getting older and changing. This video made me realize that no, it just used to be much more interesting. Now they all seem like robots, with no flow at all. (On the floor, too imo).
The code of points has become a joke. The FIG has made gymnastics boring to watch. There's very little creativity, artistry, or originality anymore, and most of the routines look the same. Sacrificing art for points is one of the worst decisions the FIG made.
Yeah, all these "banned" things are what made gymnastics so much fun to watch. There was so much artistry and creativity. Now I don't even watch that often because every routine looks the same. If I see one, I've seen them all.
There is something very satisfying about the arabesque so I would love to see them again. Also, one arm giant is "too dangerous" but the mo salto isn't? I think they need to take a hard look at how ridiculous the code is sometimes.
Also it puts the health of gymnasts at risk in some cases, like how they have to finish tumbles with their feet together instead in a lunge position. It puts their knees at risk. Gymnastics routines used to be so elegant and diverse, and now they all look the same and have gotten so brutal. They're not as fun to watch anymore.
@@Bluebelle9289 Landing with your feet together is far less damaging to the knees than “stepping out”, or landing on one leg 🦵 with a bent knee. Both feet together with bent knees is ideally how you should land, splitting or sharing the stress of landing equally, 50/50, between both legs.
@@djstace808 in literally no other sport do people land completely stiff, legs touching each other. You’re not meant to.. absorb all the shock through only your knees, even if it’s evenly divided between them.
If the code writers are so concerned about safety, just ban the move. They've done it with tons of others. If something is difficult, it should have the appropriate point value associated with it. However, in the same vein, coaches and athletes should be aware of their personal limits. Michael Phelps didn't have a handicap over other swimmers because his arms are longer than average. Sports are a celebration of people's extraordinary abilities. Just like your kindergarten teacher said, "everyone is unique". Everyone has different levels of capability. It's also ridiculous that female track athletes have to control their naturally high testosterone levels. They test regularly for performance enhancers. If someone has special genetics, let them use their body to the fullest extent.
The code of points is the reason “optional” routines all mirror one another. It’s obvious to all of my fellow gymnasts, which moves/combinations are of the highest value , because they dominate routines etc. across the board. Gone are the days when every gymnast had to compete on all 4 events-the beam, bars, floor and vault. And you used ballet and dance to express your personality, choreographing your beam and floor exercise. There’s very little self-expression currently, because the COP dictates the majority of time spent on the apparatus.
@@Flora-vo9ds Girl, I do too!!! The flat footed attempts kill me… dead. Every movement counts from the top of your head to the tips of your toes and fingers, and everything in between. Your entire being must be engaged! And often times the girls are clearly disconnected-you can see on their face that that they’re rushing, that the next combination is renting out space in their brain that should be focused on what it is that they are doing.
@@djstace808 it's not their fault the code forces them to sacrifice artistry for harder tumbling even though they barely even want to award that. Plus not every gymnast has the limber/flexibility to be able to perform balletic skills. There's other dance forms they can use to express themselves but thanks to the fig, dancing doesn't get them medals anymore.
i miss arabesques a lot, especially when done in non rebounding aerial connections. some of the romanians in 2008 (dragoi & tamarjan) added a bit of flair to them where they would drop the back leg a little bit, then raise it up higher and i think that made them much prettier.
When gymnasts had to compete in all around, a day for compulsories and a day for optionals, watching was truly inspirational, and wolf turns didn’t exist. Today, specificity rules-the FIG and the COP don’t allow for individuality, rhythm, creativity, no room for self-expression, etc… I don’t see any joy, happiness, fun, personality-it’s become so predictable, rigid and disjointed that it’s not worth watching.
Growing up in the 80's and 90's, I SO wanted non-top sequences to come back both on beam and floor! Also, allow creativity and acrobacy on uneven bars, like standing on them, jumping, a.k.a Korbut's. This sport has turned into an unbearable boring, robotic parade to please frozen, hollow judges 😴
Ha! It’s true. Wolf turns are only ok when properly executed. Vlada Urazova does them well. There should be massive form deductions for everyone who waves their arms like windmills.
@@Victoria-iu5sb Seriously! It's ridiculous. If you waved your arms and bobbled on a standing full turn you'd get tons of deductions. The same should apply to the wolf.
The only one of these things that I don't like are the cat leaps. They just don't look good in my opinion. But everything else needs to come back, and taking them out of the sport has made everything one-dimensional, identical, and boring. There's no variety anymore. The quad series on beam was incredibly difficult and it makes no logical sense why this isn't given any credit anymore. Back-to-back tumbling when executed correctly was a huge crowd pleaser and also encourages artistry and variety. The arabesque is a pretty element that also adds flare on beam skills. And the one-arm giant was ridiculously undervalued for a very stupid reason (basically the same thing happened with Simone Biles beam dismount and vault). I really wish the FIG would go back to encourage variety and stop trying to homogenize the sport. Different gymnasts have different strengths and weaknesses. Why not accentuate the variety and differences in style?
How interesting about the one-armed giants it’s very much like the Biles beam dismount (double twisting double). Where the point value is scored at the same level as an easier element to dissuade gymnasts from harder skills with higher risk of injury. While I can understand this logic, it seems a bit unfair to athletes that try to push the sport forward into new levels. Like after Rio, every girl and their sister were attempting (some very successfully) the Biles (double layout with half twist).
Don’t stop at the bars-beam, floor and vaults show very little differentiations. They should go back to having compulsories AND optionals-and all gymnasts should have to do all around. I see fewer and fewer girls actually engaging with the crowds, few have strong dance training, and it’s rare to see girls performing in the present-they appear disconnected from all movements in between those that are in the COP.
@@oneroyalbird Girl, you have never lied!! We are the last of a dying breed of classically trained with ballet teachers in the mix in the gym everyday! I loved the dance training!
Arabesques are my favorite dance move, so I loved when gymnasts would do them. I’m not a fan of cat leaps. A lot of them lacked control. Sam Peszek’s was nice though.
Miss those arabesques and 4 skill acro series on beam the most. I enjoyed the double acro line on floor, but know how dizzying that must be and am glad to see it go. Imo it was rarely done with enough control to look great.
Watching these supreme gymnasts is thrilling and I loved the continuous flips non stop! So satisfying and impressive. Respect to these ladies for the time and effort doing all these moves.
Giving a skill a low rating for 'safety reasons', is extremely patronising, as it implies the gymnasts and coaches aren't capable of making decisions that will keep them safe and do skills they're incapable of. Especially when the same skill is common in mens gymnastics.
I loved the back to back tumbling passes and the quads on beam. It made it exciting to watch and I’d love if they came back. More importantly, I’d like to see more variations in the gymnasts routines. They repeat a lot of the same moves as they are going for the highest starting score they can get. Maybe relax a bit with the scoring of some of other moves and raise the value so we get more variety again.
The only one I disgree with is the one-arm giants. Back to back tumbling was great when skills were easier, but now that floors are springier allowing harder skill I think it makes sense. Cat leaps are atrocious. I prefer the 180 degree scale. Just like wolf turns I'm sure we would all be sick of 3 layout step outs in every routine.
Gotta disagree about the °180 scale. I think it should be much lower, maybe have the rule be above a °90 or something. These elite ladies that train their lives away on beam still occasionally fall off that 4in beam on regular skills, so I feel some reward should be due for landing skills on 1 foot. Also, as much as i liked the back to back passes on floor, i kinda have to worry about soft tissue injuries from physical exhaustion as well as invisible injuries from so many flips in quick succession. They certainly are capable of doing these... But training such moves constantly has to take its toll. And i definitely disagree with the 1 arm giant thing. If its safe for men then why not for women
Cat leaps-lol-you sound like moi! I am a true OG-an Original Gymnast, Old Girl, Old Gymnast. From way back like booty crack. Back when the bars, beams, springboards, horse/vault were mostly made of wood, and the floor exercise was 1/8” blue carpet over 1” foam on top of concrete. These kids today have no idea what it’s like to have a bar break and splinter! You all are spoiled with springs and extra padding! We were doing double backs without the help of springs-and IDK about you, but this OG has COLLATERAL DAMAGE that stems from constant ABUSE to my little growing body. IDK about you, but in my day, GYMNASTICS was sanctioned CHILD ABUSE. Emotional. Physical. Verbal. Sexual. Injuries ignored. Inappropriate language. Threats. Constant pain. Tumbling on a broken foot. It’s just a bruise, put some ice on it. I was told I was fat when the coach started weighing me at 85 pounds. I developed Anorexia Nervosa. Tell me about YOU and your experience-this goes out to everyone who was nationally competitive, from a private gym, no HS or junior college, please. No disrespect. 😬
@@jayaskme2942 OG Stacey (Original Gymnast/Old Girl/Old Gymnast) is here to testify. Soft tissue injuries are extremely problematic and dangerous, because like most injuries, are hard to see. Coaches are notoriously blind when it comes to acknowledging when a gymnast is injured. It’s fractured? Ice it-it looks like a bruise, treat it like a bruise.
Acrobatic series with change of direction on beam, and back to back tumbling on floor should be back, especially from an entertaining perspective. The current code of points is just plain BORING and discourages innovative routine composition.
@@halfway7690 I don't think they got boring, specifically because they took up so much energy without a break. It always seemed like the gymnasts were flying by the seat of their pants, and it was thrilling to watch. Imo.
Would be lovely to see them bring some of this gymnastics back via the COP's. Its wonderful and beautiful to watch such fluid precise movement. Today its like bulldogs at a bone, all rough and tumble, its not as appealing to me.
I would love to see quadruple acro series on BB again. BTW, does anyone know if there was an obscure 80s or 90s gymnast who may have done an aerial cartwheel into 3 LOSO's?
ok full tea I’m so glad cat leaps aren’t popular anymore. They were NOT aesthetically pleasing (to me) nor particularly difficult, so mostly I felt like they were a low-effort dance move that didn’t really add anything to the overall routine.
It seems a shame that the quad series is a thing of the past. It is so impressive! And I really love the cat leap, it looks so elegant and very different to what we commonly see these days.
The arabesque landing is so beautiful, it's unfortunate that it was downgraded as to not be used. The 4 skills, also on bb could be done with other skills, it has been done. Maybe with the gymnasts growth it's too risky?
Just like our education system in the US, teachers teach to the test and students only learn what is required to pass the test. There isn't any creativity or exploration. So sad
Who is the gymnast @ 2:28? I remember watching her routine on television when I was . . . 12. 0.o And I loved her Arabesque, but I could never remember what her name was to rewatch her routine. All I remembered was the blonde-hair pink-outfit combo and that one move, lol.
I cannot help but think that the code for 1 arm giants wants changed because of the impression that it may give the world that in elite sports like gymnastics women can do exactly what men can do and move between a high and low bar with grace and polish. After all they are working with bodyweight to ratio strength. hmmm. That is disheartening, all because they say, it's unsafe as if the athletes themselves do not know their own capabilities...disappointing.
Every year, the women are moving towards the men. Every year, the ballet/dance training has been replaced more and more with strength training. The bodies more masculine. There is no room for personality and no place for individuality.
@@djstace808 I totally agree all I can hope is that the code of points is changed back. But of course that will never happen. I just don’t understand how the judges don’t value originality and fluidity and balance. All of the routines before around 2005 were really good especially in the 80’s. You don’t even think of gymnastics as a graceful sport anymore.
1 arm giants can cause serious injury. You can pull a muscle easily easily. The fig has had changed rules now only allowing 4 runs which I agree with. I’m happy with the changes.
I feel like older (Olympic) gymnastics was much more graceful and impressive. Granted I know nothing about gymnastics. Just from a viewers point that's how it appears to me. Even in this video I can see a difference
As a former gymnast… gymnastics are such a sexist sport. While men‘s gymnastics is about strength, balance and control, women are grated on dance routines, tumbling and looking pretty in leotards. Really one of the reasons I stopped.
It came back for a while mid-2000’s. I remember seeing Nastia Liukin doing a lot of it. But it doesn’t “flow” or look as pretty as back tumbling. I remember Paul and Morgan Hamm also commenting that they didn’t like the trend at the time because the skills just weren’t as difficult but were getting big scores due to the CoP.
I feel the one arm for the women was taking out at that time because nobody else was doing them and completing them and therefore they removed it and that's kinda crappy. I love gymnastics since I was two years old and I started even before then from what mom said. She said when I was in my crib I would flip out. I just feel like more could do that move today because gymnast are so much more advanced today and that is one strong move for a woman and it use to be a requirement for the men in the 80's.
When I think of exciting…remember Danielle Silivas and Elena in the 1988 Olympics! Now that was artistic, creative and exciting! Simone doesn’t hold a candle to them in my opinion other than tumbling but probably code of points. I just find today’s gymnastics so boring
one armed giants should be higher because even if it is hard it’s encouraging gymnast to work harder and let’s be honest here everything’s in gymnastics is dangerous and hard, and imagine a move being named after someone and they quit doing it
i miss how gymnastics used to be. It was just so pleasing to watch and graceful now a days it’s boring and feels the same you don’t get the same vibe as you did in the 90s
I love the arabesque landings on beam, I definitely miss those the most.
Same
I don’t think they are gone I still do one
same :(
I miss handwork on bars and dance.
Nastia’s were so graceful and really made advantage of her height
I think the quad series on the beam is really spectacular. The back to back acro series also give a great flow to the routine, compared to today's 4 lines with not a lot of artistry in between which gives the routines a very fragmented look.
It can still be done: BHS+BLO+BLO+BT/BHS swing down/etc. it just requires a little creativity.
Also gymnastics aren’t so tiny, they are women now
I heard the back to back floor lines were a bit of a safety concern. But I loved those Quad series.
So this is why beam routines were so much more entertaining when I was a kid! I also am curious why no one does the Miller on beam. My jaw always dropped when I saw Shannon Miller do that move.
I had the same epiphany as you! I knew I didn't like watching gymnastics anymore, but I blamed it on getting older and changing. This video made me realize that no, it just used to be much more interesting. Now they all seem like robots, with no flow at all. (On the floor, too imo).
@@marissaurias5116 A back handstand with a quarter turn. Look up "Shannon Miller Beam" and you'll see it. Absolutely superb.
The code of points has become a joke. The FIG has made gymnastics boring to watch. There's very little creativity, artistry, or originality anymore, and most of the routines look the same. Sacrificing art for points is one of the worst decisions the FIG made.
Yeah, all these "banned" things are what made gymnastics so much fun to watch. There was so much artistry and creativity. Now I don't even watch that often because every routine looks the same. If I see one, I've seen them all.
Ditto. 🎪
I agree it’s so boring to watch now
@@BabyPinkMonsoonFr the only banned skill i can think of that is reasonable is the thomas salto...
There is something very satisfying about the arabesque so I would love to see them again. Also, one arm giant is "too dangerous" but the mo salto isn't? I think they need to take a hard look at how ridiculous the code is sometimes.
Also it puts the health of gymnasts at risk in some cases, like how they have to finish tumbles with their feet together instead in a lunge position. It puts their knees at risk. Gymnastics routines used to be so elegant and diverse, and now they all look the same and have gotten so brutal. They're not as fun to watch anymore.
@@Bluebelle9289 Landing with your feet together is far less damaging to the knees than “stepping out”, or landing on one leg 🦵 with a bent knee. Both feet together with bent knees is ideally how you should land, splitting or sharing the stress of landing equally, 50/50, between both legs.
@@hannahwalmer1124 Indeed. The baffling comments are definitely from non-gymnasts, non-physicists.
Again, girl, you have never lied!
@@djstace808 in literally no other sport do people land completely stiff, legs touching each other. You’re not meant to.. absorb all the shock through only your knees, even if it’s evenly divided between them.
If the code writers are so concerned about safety, just ban the move. They've done it with tons of others. If something is difficult, it should have the appropriate point value associated with it. However, in the same vein, coaches and athletes should be aware of their personal limits.
Michael Phelps didn't have a handicap over other swimmers because his arms are longer than average. Sports are a celebration of people's extraordinary abilities. Just like your kindergarten teacher said, "everyone is unique". Everyone has different levels of capability. It's also ridiculous that female track athletes have to control their naturally high testosterone levels. They test regularly for performance enhancers. If someone has special genetics, let them use their body to the fullest extent.
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100% agree
Agreed!
Agree!
The code of points is the reason “optional” routines all mirror one another. It’s obvious to all of my fellow gymnasts, which moves/combinations are of the highest value , because they dominate routines etc. across the board. Gone are the days when every gymnast had to compete on all 4 events-the beam, bars, floor and vault. And you used ballet and dance to express your personality, choreographing your beam and floor exercise. There’s very little self-expression currently, because the COP dictates the majority of time spent on the apparatus.
The code of points has become a joke.
Yeah, if they want compulsories they should just re-establish those.
Definitely miss the ballet elements in choreography
@@Flora-vo9ds Girl, I do too!!! The flat footed attempts kill me… dead. Every movement counts from the top of your head to the tips of your toes and fingers, and everything in between. Your entire being must be engaged! And often times the girls are clearly disconnected-you can see on their face that that they’re rushing, that the next combination is renting out space in their brain that should be focused on what it is that they are doing.
@@djstace808 it's not their fault the code forces them to sacrifice artistry for harder tumbling even though they barely even want to award that. Plus not every gymnast has the limber/flexibility to be able to perform balletic skills. There's other dance forms they can use to express themselves but thanks to the fig, dancing doesn't get them medals anymore.
I wish gymnasts still did holds on the beam! It looks beautiful and impressive
Agreed. So graceful and controlled.
Definitely. As holds are effectively strength moves, several of the current crop are probably capable of producing really impressive ones.
Definitely.
Four acro skills on beam. I still remember being a child and being memorized by Ekaterina Szabo do 4 back walkovers on beam in the 1984 Olympics
I loved watching them during the 1996 Olympics. I loved those series.
i miss arabesques a lot, especially when done in non rebounding aerial connections. some of the romanians in 2008 (dragoi & tamarjan) added a bit of flair to them where they would drop the back leg a little bit, then raise it up higher and i think that made them much prettier.
Agree we need a requirement for a strength / flexibility or originality element on beam. The old routines were more interesting!
When gymnasts had to compete in all around, a day for compulsories and a day for optionals, watching was truly inspirational, and wolf turns didn’t exist. Today, specificity rules-the FIG and the COP don’t allow for individuality, rhythm, creativity, no room for self-expression, etc… I don’t see any joy, happiness, fun, personality-it’s become so predictable, rigid and disjointed that it’s not worth watching.
Growing up in the 80's and 90's, I SO wanted non-top sequences to come back both on beam and floor! Also, allow creativity and acrobacy on uneven bars, like standing on them, jumping, a.k.a Korbut's. This sport has turned into an unbearable boring, robotic parade to please frozen, hollow judges 😴
I would want to bring back the arabesque on the beam because its really difficult and shows the gymnasts control and balance
Ikr nastia did them so well
Everythiing has been replaced by a strange movement disorder called "wolf turn"...
Ha! It’s true. Wolf turns are only ok when properly executed. Vlada Urazova does them well. There should be massive form deductions for everyone who waves their arms like windmills.
@@Victoria-iu5sb she's great on it. By far one the best. No just well done but also the preparation to do them is also "chef kiss", softly elegant.
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@@Victoria-iu5sb Seriously! It's ridiculous. If you waved your arms and bobbled on a standing full turn you'd get tons of deductions. The same should apply to the wolf.
I hate the wolf turns. They are so ugly and painful to watch. I miss the artistry and creativity gymnastics used to have.
Back to back tumbling and Dominique Dawes 😸
Yup that was largely her thing to do on floor. Her flows always seemed so difficult.
The only one of these things that I don't like are the cat leaps. They just don't look good in my opinion. But everything else needs to come back, and taking them out of the sport has made everything one-dimensional, identical, and boring. There's no variety anymore. The quad series on beam was incredibly difficult and it makes no logical sense why this isn't given any credit anymore. Back-to-back tumbling when executed correctly was a huge crowd pleaser and also encourages artistry and variety. The arabesque is a pretty element that also adds flare on beam skills. And the one-arm giant was ridiculously undervalued for a very stupid reason (basically the same thing happened with Simone Biles beam dismount and vault). I really wish the FIG would go back to encourage variety and stop trying to homogenize the sport. Different gymnasts have different strengths and weaknesses. Why not accentuate the variety and differences in style?
They look better than Wolf turns
How interesting about the one-armed giants it’s very much like the Biles beam dismount (double twisting double). Where the point value is scored at the same level as an easier element to dissuade gymnasts from harder skills with higher risk of injury. While I can understand this logic, it seems a bit unfair to athletes that try to push the sport forward into new levels. Like after Rio, every girl and their sister were attempting (some very successfully) the Biles (double layout with half twist).
Too many restrictions, the artistry is gone. That's why every bar routine looks identical
Don’t stop at the bars-beam, floor and vaults show very little differentiations. They should go back to having compulsories AND optionals-and all gymnasts should have to do all around. I see fewer and fewer girls actually engaging with the crowds, few have strong dance training, and it’s rare to see girls performing in the present-they appear disconnected from all movements in between those that are in the COP.
Yes, I had to take ballet in addition to my gymnastics training. I doubt anyone from 2000 on has ever been in a ballet studio.
@@oneroyalbird Girl, you have never lied!! We are the last of a dying breed of classically trained with ballet teachers in the mix in the gym everyday! I loved the dance training!
@@oneroyalbird 😂😂😂 I bet you’re right.
To people who used to be gymnasts 30 years ago today's "dance" movements look atrocious.
Arabesques are my favorite dance move, so I loved when gymnasts would do them. I’m not a fan of cat leaps. A lot of them lacked control. Sam Peszek’s was nice though.
What a pity wolf turns aren’t included!!!
I don’t understand anything about gymnastics and I can barely do a cartwheel but for some reason these videos are really interesting for me
Miss those arabesques and 4 skill acro series on beam the most.
I enjoyed the double acro line on floor, but know how dizzying that must be and am glad to see it go. Imo it was rarely done with enough control to look great.
Daniela Silivas and Lavinia Milosovich did the double acro line Very welll
I loved the quad series on beam. So difficult.
And please bring back any turn to replace the wolf turn. I remember when turns we're graceful and pretty. 😂
Watching these supreme gymnasts is thrilling and I loved the continuous flips non stop! So satisfying and impressive. Respect to these ladies for the time and effort doing all these moves.
Giving a skill a low rating for 'safety reasons', is extremely patronising, as it implies the gymnasts and coaches aren't capable of making decisions that will keep them safe and do skills they're incapable of. Especially when the same skill is common in mens gymnastics.
I loved the back to back tumbling passes and the quads on beam. It made it exciting to watch and I’d love if they came back. More importantly, I’d like to see more variations in the gymnasts routines. They repeat a lot of the same moves as they are going for the highest starting score they can get. Maybe relax a bit with the scoring of some of other moves and raise the value so we get more variety again.
I agree about the back-to-back tumbling. That is WAY too much going on at once and I can see how it can a lot of energy.
The only one I disgree with is the one-arm giants.
Back to back tumbling was great when skills were easier, but now that floors are springier allowing harder skill I think it makes sense.
Cat leaps are atrocious.
I prefer the 180 degree scale.
Just like wolf turns I'm sure we would all be sick of 3 layout step outs in every routine.
Gotta disagree about the °180 scale. I think it should be much lower, maybe have the rule be above a °90 or something. These elite ladies that train their lives away on beam still occasionally fall off that 4in beam on regular skills, so I feel some reward should be due for landing skills on 1 foot. Also, as much as i liked the back to back passes on floor, i kinda have to worry about soft tissue injuries from physical exhaustion as well as invisible injuries from so many flips in quick succession. They certainly are capable of doing these... But training such moves constantly has to take its toll. And i definitely disagree with the 1 arm giant thing. If its safe for men then why not for women
Cat leaps are really cool imo
The cat leaps are cute and more aesthetically pleasing than the wolf turns.
Cat leaps-lol-you sound like moi! I am a true OG-an Original Gymnast, Old Girl, Old Gymnast. From way back like booty crack. Back when the bars, beams, springboards, horse/vault were mostly made of wood, and the floor exercise was 1/8” blue carpet over 1” foam on top of concrete. These kids today have no idea what it’s like to have a bar break and splinter! You all are spoiled with springs and extra padding! We were doing double backs without the help of springs-and IDK about you, but this OG has COLLATERAL DAMAGE that stems from constant ABUSE to my little growing body. IDK about you, but in my day, GYMNASTICS was sanctioned CHILD ABUSE. Emotional. Physical. Verbal. Sexual. Injuries ignored. Inappropriate language. Threats. Constant pain. Tumbling on a broken foot. It’s just a bruise, put some ice on it. I was told I was fat when the coach started weighing me at 85 pounds. I developed Anorexia Nervosa. Tell me about YOU and your experience-this goes out to everyone who was nationally competitive, from a private gym, no HS or junior college, please. No disrespect. 😬
@@jayaskme2942 OG Stacey (Original Gymnast/Old Girl/Old Gymnast) is here to testify. Soft tissue injuries are extremely problematic and dangerous, because like most injuries, are hard to see. Coaches are notoriously blind when it comes to acknowledging when a gymnast is injured. It’s fractured? Ice it-it looks like a bruise, treat it like a bruise.
Cat leap is the flying version of wolf turn! Fingers crossed that the wolf will follow the cat soon
Either the one arm on the bars or the tumbling on the floor! That looked SUPER difficult 😳
Acrobatic series with change of direction on beam, and back to back tumbling on floor should be back, especially from an entertaining perspective. The current code of points is just plain BORING and discourages innovative routine composition.
I was thinking, if back to back tumbling was popular, wouldn't that make them boring? After seeing them for so long?
@@halfway7690 I don't think they got boring, specifically because they took up so much energy without a break. It always seemed like the gymnasts were flying by the seat of their pants, and it was thrilling to watch. Imo.
@Half Way but even when the back to back tumbling was more common, it still wasn’t common. If that makes any sense. Lol.
@@fshonuff ah yes the floor is made of floor. Understood ^^
The cat leaps looks so cool!!
Why were quad series on beam taken out?
CAT 🐈 LEAPS are unique and interesting in my mind. Would love to see more them, even without twists. Thank You.
I like the arabesque skill.....especially the one named after Nastia Liukin. It's athletic and graceful.
4 skills acro series NEED to come back. That bhs loso bhs rulfova is one of the most badass combos ever
Definitely the three layouts on beam. Is crazy to stop
Would be lovely to see them bring some of this gymnastics back via the COP's. Its wonderful and beautiful to watch such fluid precise movement. Today its like bulldogs at a bone, all rough and tumble, its not as appealing to me.
I would love to see quadruple acro series on BB again. BTW, does anyone know if there was an obscure 80s or 90s gymnast who may have done an aerial cartwheel into 3 LOSO's?
It can be done:BHS+BLO SO+BLO SO+BLO 2-feet. B+C+C+E.
The quad series on beam. There isn't much more impressive than seeing that successfully pulled off with perfect lines.
The one handed giant was soo cool :/
The two tumbling passes was definitely the highlight of floor routines. I think kim zmeskal and dominic dawes did them.
Made things more exciting.
Let's pray wolf turns become one of those. Thanks.
what about the miller on bars? a giant with a hop full turn at the too of the bar? loved that move
I thought That’s named after Oksana Chusovitina. Not Miller.
@@fshonuff yes it is
Miller used to have a pirouette named after her on bars but hop 1/1 is named after Chuso
I remember seeing back to back tumbling during the 90s and in gymnastic movies
ok full tea I’m so glad cat leaps aren’t popular anymore. They were NOT aesthetically pleasing (to me) nor particularly difficult, so mostly I felt like they were a low-effort dance move that didn’t really add anything to the overall routine.
It seems a shame that the quad series is a thing of the past. It is so impressive! And I really love the cat leap, it looks so elegant and very different to what we commonly see these days.
The arabesque is definitely so beautiful, I’d like to see this come back.
I don't follow much of the men's gymnastics, but out of curiosity, do they mention "safety" when valuing or devaluing skills on the men's side?
Yes, they banned the "Radivilov" vault bevause it's incredibly dangerous (can sb help me out? They did ban it right?)
thomas salto and rollouts? (women did these too tho so not sure if it's relevant, feel free to correct me!)
Great vid! Thanks :-)
You forgot the sheep jump on beam!! I am still mad about them downgrading it. Virtually no one does it anymore.
Can you please do a vid on why they moved the bars out from being in so close
i like the cat leaps and the 4 skill beam the most
I love your videos so much
I love the arabesque landings. I wish those would make a comeback.
The effective banning of the one-armed giant on uneven bars still steams me.
I just don't see how that is any more dangerous than some of the stuff done for floor exercises. SMH.
The arabesque landing is so beautiful, it's unfortunate that it was downgraded as to not be used.
The 4 skills, also on bb could be done with other skills, it has been done. Maybe with the gymnasts growth it's too risky?
Just like our education system in the US, teachers teach to the test and students only learn what is required to pass the test. There isn't any creativity or exploration. So sad
I would love to see the one-handed giant!
My favorite is the one arm giant swing.
3：07 perfect， Bo Yang
Landing in arabesque is still popular. And cat leaps are still widely used.
Who is the gymnast @ 2:28? I remember watching her routine on television when I was . . . 12. 0.o And I loved her Arabesque, but I could never remember what her name was to rewatch her routine. All I remembered was the blonde-hair pink-outfit combo and that one move, lol.
Nastia Liukin
@@susannahwithanh THANK YOU!!!
@@susannahwithanh do you know who 3:09 is?
I cannot help but think that the code for 1 arm giants wants changed because of the impression that it may give the world that in elite sports like gymnastics women can do exactly what men can do and move between a high and low bar with grace and polish. After all they are working with bodyweight to ratio strength. hmmm. That is disheartening, all because they say, it's unsafe as if the athletes themselves do not know their own capabilities...disappointing.
How gymnastics has been dumbly "uglyfied"
Every year, the women are moving towards the men. Every year, the ballet/dance training has been replaced more and more with strength training. The bodies more masculine. There is no room for personality and no place for individuality.
@@djstace808 I totally agree all I can hope is that the code of points is changed back. But of course that will never happen. I just don’t understand how the judges don’t value originality and fluidity and balance. All of the routines before around 2005 were really good especially in the 80’s. You don’t even think of gymnastics as a graceful sport anymore.
@@addisonm5423 Indeed! I was competitive (nationally) 1977-1982. It was a completely different sport. ❤️
Silivas 88 back to back was the best
Either ban it or don't but if you don't why rate it low, that just seems silly
FIG = Fun Is Gross
Or Fun is Gone! 😢
O love the back-to-back (Silivas ❤️), what a pity they don't do It anymore
thst cat turn/spin... whatever you call it was cute. I would love to see/manage to be able to Do that.
I would like to see the arabesque skill on beam that was so cool
The cat leaps with some difficulty added.
I dont understand changing the arabesque on beam, but i guess im also not a gymnast so what do i know
1 arm giants can cause serious injury. You can pull a muscle easily easily.
The fig has had changed rules now only allowing 4 runs which I agree with. I’m happy with the changes.
I feel like older (Olympic) gymnastics was much more graceful and impressive. Granted I know nothing about gymnastics. Just from a viewers point that's how it appears to me. Even in this video I can see a difference
I loved the back to back tumbling and the acro series.
As a former gymnast… gymnastics are such a sexist sport. While men‘s gymnastics is about strength, balance and control, women are grated on dance routines, tumbling and looking pretty in leotards.
Really one of the reasons I stopped.
it didn’t explain why the first one was banned. I don’t get why the quad whatever was banned.
The routines were far superior in the 90s, so much more artistry and flow.
my mom was a dancer, acrobat and gymnast as a child in the 80s - 90s she used to do these stuff,
the 1 arm should definitely be a thing in women's gymnastics. "to discourage women from attempting" is kinda lame
i still like the cat leaps 😍
bruh men do the one armed giant a lot, why would be ever so unsafe for a woman to do it?
I do gymnastics but I would not even attempt that skill if it was even still aloud it just looks cool
also havent seen front tumbling since the 90s. got tired of seeing so much of it tho kind of like the double pike😴
It came back for a while mid-2000’s. I remember seeing Nastia Liukin doing a lot of it. But it doesn’t “flow” or look as pretty as back tumbling. I remember Paul and Morgan Hamm also commenting that they didn’t like the trend at the time because the skills just weren’t as difficult but were getting big scores due to the CoP.
I feel the one arm for the women was taking out at that time because nobody else was doing them and completing them and therefore they removed it and that's kinda crappy. I love gymnastics since I was two years old and I started even before then from what mom said. She said when I was in my crib I would flip out. I just feel like more could do that move today because gymnast are so much more advanced today and that is one strong move for a woman and it use to be a requirement for the men in the 80's.
Bring back the one armed giant.
The one arm giant couldve evolved into something crazy today if it was allowed better scores at a great risk of course.
Arabesque landings - they're really hard, and look lovely.
U have a cat leap in my routine though-
I always watch these videos as a gymnast and I’m like sirrrr that’s incorrect
Gotta love Liu Juan
I want to see it more artistic, like it was in the 60s and 70s.
Why can the men do 1 arm but the women it's too dangerous?
There is very little grace and artistry now. I miss gymnastics of the 70,80,90s and early 2000s. It’s so boring now
When I think of exciting…remember Danielle Silivas and Elena in the 1988 Olympics! Now that was artistic, creative and exciting! Simone doesn’t hold a candle to them in my opinion other than tumbling but probably code of points. I just find today’s gymnastics so boring
one armed giants should be higher because even if it is hard it’s encouraging gymnast to work harder and let’s be honest here everything’s in gymnastics is dangerous and hard, and imagine a move being named after someone and they quit doing it
i miss how gymnastics used to be. It was just so pleasing to watch and graceful now a days it’s boring and feels the same you don’t get the same vibe as you did in the 90s
Cat leaps should be back
Isn't it kind of sexistic to demotivate women to do a skill (one armed giant) by not valuing it, while it's completely normal in mens gymnastics?