All Roose Bolton scenes from Season 2. I DO NOT OWN ANYTHING Made solely for those who are fans of the character. Send me requests for what compilation clips you want next.
If Robb was just fucking her, I don’t think Roose would’ve cared. But it’s the fact that his knows Robb is green and would sacrifice victory for honor.
You should look up an Irish comedy mockumentary called ‘paths to freedom’…He’s an even better actor than you already think, you’ll hardly believe it’s the same person. And he hilariously funny
never realized how hard Roose tried to give Rob good council, and all he got was Rob's obstinate, headstrong arrogance. Rob really did seal his own fate. he broke all his vows and generally pissed everyone off.
Aside from his stance on torturing and killing POW (which in the end, really didn't play into Robb's downfall), what other advice did Robb ignore? He wasn't there to advise against executing Lord Karstark and he never really said anything about Robb breaking his oath with the Frey's... In fact, Robb took his advice on not returning to Winterfell, and to let Ramsay deal with Theon.
@@eathan2465 aside from his suggestions on torturing and killing POW's *for* information (which a common solider probably wouldn't be privy to anyways), for space in their campground abd rations, -- what other advice did Robb ignore from Roose? And yet, he listened to him about not returning to Winterfell, did he not? It was a very idiotic idea by Robb and Roose swayed him away from the idea. I mean, on another note, say what you want about Cat releasing Jaime Lannister, she gave consistent and sound advice to him. She warned him not to break his marriage oath to the Frey's and to hold Lord Karstark as a hostage until the war was over. In both instances, Roose didn't say anything.
@@jimsty5222 let's agree Robb is an idiot and his biggest blunder is naming himself king. As lord of Winterfell he could've found any number of allies or rode home once he saw the war was lost, giving him the home field advantage. With Stannis by his side they could've hit King's Landing with a united front or co-ordinated their troops (better with Renly and the Tyrells but that won't work)
Yeah the goal wasn't deafeating Tywin it was pinning him, plus he was outnumbered and out gunned by Tywin, its pretty impressive that Roose manged to retreat from Tywin with most of his forces intact.@@RexOlafusVidulusMagnus
@@RyanRFCThe actor playing Roose was great despite being different from the books, but I would've loved seeing him act like Book Roose I say he would've NAILED it.
it was due to budget reasons, they saved all budget to the Blackwater battle episode... And in season1 we also didnt get to see the Battle of the Whispering Wood aswell, which is an amazing battle in the books and that was due to low budget aswell :/
@@moraisgkm TBF in the books we never properly saw the Battle of the Whispering Wood either - Theon wasn't a POV character at the time and any descriptions of the fight came 2nd hand to Catelyn and Tyrion. What *was* sadly omitted was the battle at the Fist of the First Men.
That's why i think the tully's words are the best "Family, Duty, Honor" 3 Important things in the rigth orders, if the starks had respected those words, most would still be alive.
sam h I completely agree with that... 100%... He wasn't honorable when it came to that... but that nurse chick threw herself at him and he was horny... he was only 18...
Exactly not fo mention catelyn is legit from the south she knew how the southern had no honor why the fuck did she not tell her family this or at least teach them this value it would have helped robb a lot of he acted like ned but had his grandfathers political sense
IMO, Robb not taking his advice was just an additional frustration. He switched sides after Blackwater, when the situation changed in the Lannister's favor. If Robb had followed Roose's wish to flay prisoners for information etc it would not have changed much
It's interesting to think of a timeline where Roose would have been loyal to Robb, but the books imply that Roose was scheming from the very beginning. An important detail being that during the battle of the green fork there were no Dreadfort casualties, while other northern houses (Cerwyn, Tallhart, Umber) had losses. Roose was likely holding his own men back in order to strengthen his house's position. Robb's position was unwinnable regardless with the Lannister-Tyrell alliance in the south, Stannis and Lysa Arryn refusing to ally with him and Greyjoys at his rear. The narrative really conspired to screw him over now that I think of it lol.
The Boltons were the second most powerful house in the north, and the Starks were weakening with the death of Ned, the capture of the Stark girls and boys, and the sacking of Winterfell. Tywin promised Roose safety is he betrayed the Starks, it was going happen eventually
Roose made sure to always have himself covered, no matter what. He did provide a good distraction for Robb at Green Fork and was competent infantry commander, but he also made sure to conserve his own house forces, while letting others take the brunt of the damage. Rebellous nr 2 houses have such a way of being, that only might can keep them loyal. As soon as Robb was commiting blunders, Winterfell was sacked (on his orders? still a mystery, maybe he just rolled with it) and Stannis defeated, it was obvious a time to jump ship was now, might as well get something out of it. Enough of bending knees to Starks.
Roose swore loyalty to Robb Stark and meant it! He genuinely offered him the best advice he possibly could. He only chose to defect to Team Lannister once it looked like the Starks would not win the war. I love the little details like Roose saying they can't keep too many prisoners since they barely have enough food to feed their own troops as it is. Then later of course all their tents are occupied and Roose mutters "too many prisoners." Like yes it sounded harsh to just kill everyone but it's also unwise to keep so many prisoners when there's not enough food and shelter for everyone. It's also sweet to me that Robb keeps saying "your son" in response to Roose's "my bastard" lmao
I wouldn’t call Bolton loyal… he was completely self interested. He definitely didn’t always plan to betray Robb, but he was certainly not trustworthy. And when he saw it was in his best interest to slaughter the Starks at the wedding for a chance at become Warden of the North then he seized the opportunity. A fair weather friend.
The Bolton cause was tied to Stark success, if the Starks failed the Boltons failed. Roose gave Robb sound advice up until Robb betrayed the Freys, at that point Robb signed his own death warrant. Taking winterfell, alone meant nothing, but it legitimized Roose more if something happened to Robb. If the Boltons were to survive, they needed leverage and roose is nothing if not pragmatic. Edit: even taking Winterfell, if Robb never failed, meant that Roose could ask for Ramsay to be legitimized and marry possibly Arya as a reward for securing the North from the Greyjoys. Roose, the best of allies / the worst of enemies, at the same time. Brilliant.
It all backfired when Tywin died. Roose couldn't have foreseen that, but once Tywin was dead he was alone considering his betrayal and how all of Westeros was disgusted by it.
I believe Arya was already betrothed to one of the Frey's (when she comes of age). It was part of the deal with them. Along with Robb marrying one of the girls, having a boy as his squire (and in the books, 2 boys were send to winterfell).
@@kevingonzalez5586 LOL. That was never gonna go well. Imagine the poor Frey that get's forced to marry Arya. The way she was heading at the beginning, she'd probably still wind up skinning his face without ever meeting the faceless men. Beats Joffrey. See's a guy get a chunk of wood in the neck during a joust and the look on her face just says "Ohhhhhh, that's AWESOME." Poor, dead Frey.
@@nathanhursey6779 It still left Roose without allies and vulnerable to retribution by the North - which is in fact what happened. This plot point was certainly in line with what the never-to-be-published WoW has in mind.
I really hated Bolton after the wedding. But when you re-watch it, the guy was frustrated. Didn’t blame him in the end. Rob’s ignorance was his own downfall
I totally blame him. What he did was absolutely unforgivable. Robb was a boy and Roose was an evil opportunist who betrayed him and helped violate one of the most sacred social mores there is.
+TheDeviantLord Nope. Roose is too ambitious and wouldve just found another way to topple him. The Boltons and Starks have been enemies in the North for thousands of years.
Roose himself told to Walder Frey that the main reason to betray Robb was because he was ignoring all his advices, and of course, the release of Jaime, Robb breaking a vow to marry the Frey girl, etc.
Well in the books he says betraying robb was a decision he took after stannis's defeat at blackwater bay, I. E that the lannisters were no longer possible to beat militarily.
Let's be honest, Robb wasn't in the best of positions. He could win battles all day and night, but he didn't have nearly the men he needed to take King's Landing. The Ironborn were going to continue reaving his lands while the army was south, but if Robb took his army north, as Roose rightly told him, he'd lose the war and the recombined southern armies would march on Winterfel. He could possibly ally with Stannis, but Stannis would have demanded Robb bend the knee, which Robb wasn't going to do. So I suppose the best possible outcome would have been for Robb to return to being Warden of the North for Stannis under the assumption Tywin's relief of King's Landing wouldn't have been enough to overcome both armies, but the path to which Robb would remain king of a free and independent north was always a pipe dream. And honestly none of that had anything to do with Robb or who he married or who he executed, it was just the hand he was dealt as King in the North.
He would actually have a chance at winning. Victory is not set in stone obviously, but by taking Roose's counsel, Rob would've not been so fucked. Plus, Roose is highly intelligent, highly efficient, and utterly ruthless. These things should matter more than 'muh honour' or 'muh morality'. In the books, it goes into more detail. Such a shame that Rob has too much of his father in him.
@@MC-xd8lp The dilemma here is that Robb is King of the North AND the Trident (Riverlands). If he leaves to retake the North, then Riverlands will be in trouble again, but they could try to hold out at Riverrun against a siege (again). More pillaging ensues from Lannisters. If he won't leave to retake the North, he keeps losing legitimacy, because center of his rule is in the hands of enemy. In the books if Ramsay didn't come in and betray Stark forces at Winterfell, Rodrik Cassel would easily retake the castle. He did defeat the bait of Ironborn at Torrhen's Square left by Theon, and now would easily finish the job, no matter if Theon would kill his daughter or not.
Loved to see him before the Red Wedding, no one unsullied knew who he was or what he was going to do. Just a background character similar to Theon in a way in S1.
This man, played Roose so f'in good.. I mean I know he is not 100% same as in books.. but damn, I still watched him and seen THEE Roose Bolton. Great actor.
>emblem is literally a flayed man >talks about flaying people >lives in a place called the Dreadfort >his surname is the same as the American politician who wants to start a nuclear war with Iran, Russia and China >kinda looks like Vladimir Putin How did Robb ever trust this guy
Kadir Hizarci Be quiet feudalism might not be an abomination if every lord was like the Starks. I cant stand it when stupid fan boys attack the Starks for being Honourable rather than total assholes
The Roose Bolton from this season-and the books-would immediately begin preparations for a counter-coup against Ramsay the moment word of his true born son was announced. He’d have all Ramsay’s men, who in the books were actually Roose’s men under cover, surveilled and purged. Instead, in season 6 of the show, he does none of this and goes for a hug.
It's a small detail but at 6:58 Roose, instead of following the other Lords, stays and stands at the ready to follow any command given. Roose is a bad man but he isn't stupid.
A bad man, but offers good counsel and he would have stay loyal to Robb and keep listening to Roose Bolton's advice. Forsaking the marriage with the Freys was Robb's greatest mistake.
@@josiahdoromalNope. He was gonna betray Robb anyways following Blackwater. He realized then that a Stark victory was almost impossible. He took the easy route out.
I feel like a fool after all these years not seeing the signs…Roose did want to help Robb at first but Robb basically gave Roose a deaf ear. It’s all there in front of the viewer and I was so focused on Robb winning that I ignored that he ignored anyone’s advice really
Robb was surrounded by good man and experience general they were all loyal to house stark and even smarter when combined to tywin that's why Rob win every war he fought until he pissed them off.
Their honesty was probably why they ruled the North. Robb inherited a war at a huge disadvantage. Jon Snow died too but was resurrected, he was lucky Robb wasn't.
@@ThatDoesntWorkForMeBrother Yep, Robb didn't have the Vale to bail him out, and a Red Priestess to bring him back to life. Robb actually won his battles with minimum death rate compared to Jon. Robb was the superior King in the North and I love Jon a bit more.
Eddard Stark was a great ruler, such revisionist drivel. Rob was too young and asked to do everything right out of the gate, he failed. Ned was honorable and true to his word, Rob was hypocritical and made foolish mistakes. He should have never bed and married that girl.
I remember GRRM saying that Roose was loyal to Robb stark throughout most of the war it wasn’t until Stannis’s defeat of the battle of black water bay and Rob forsakening his vows to marrying one of the frey women was when Roose decided to betray Robb!
Did Roose technically count as his hand? Im guessing he was in support of him. But not taking his advice and then Roose's promise to have the North just was a no brainer
Hand of the King is a generally Southern tradition, stemming from Targaryen rule. I'd say the Blackfish was Robb's most trusted advisor, and probably the closest equivalent to Hand for him.
@@Scarecrow545 Yeah blackfish was behind many of his victories.In books anyways it was his plan to ambush jamie and also he was behind oxcross and lifting the siege of riverun hell when you look at it.It was tywin fighting the blackfish during the war lol
@@mago2267 Good luck collecting on that. Jaime is a high valued prisoner FAR behind enemy lines. Even with Brienne protecting and hiding him he got recaptured within what? A couple of days.
I can't believe Robb wasn't even slightly disturbed by Roose casually suggesting flaying people in the same way someone would suggest having a cup of tea
@@tgmartin Flaying was illegal in this time, but it'd hadn't been illegal for all that long of a time. Not to mention there were rumors that the Boltons in Dreadfort still practiced the act, so I don't think it would have been too surprising.
This is the thing, if Robb had listened to Roose, I suspect him and Roose could have actually been good friends. Roose was the wise, cynical realist that Robb desperately needed at his side. A good King would listen to all arguments and view points, even the ones he doesn't like. Especially the ones he doesn't like. I get Robb was trying to be virtuous and honorable but ruling is not virtuous and rarely honorable. Obviously sure, he shouldn't start flaying his enemies or anything like that. But he should have taken Roose's advice more seriously instead of routinely dismissing him.
Roose would have never been Robb's friend; up until the Starks lost their advantage, Roose's main objective was to gain as much favor with Robb, and thereby power and influence, as possible.
Roose would have turned on Robb all the same, despite what he claimed. Remember that speech he gave Ramsay after legitimizing him? He wouldn't have even been content as Warden of the North, he wanted to be King in the North.
"And where was KING Rob, when the Ironborn attacked this castle" - Lord Glover, when he expressed his disappointment with Robb wanting to help the north. Robb did want to come back north, but was advised to trust Ramsay.
Man when you realize that Roose was loyal to Robb and offered him really good advice and suggestion however he choose to betray Robb because he realized Robb’s political decisions would still lead to the red wedding so he choose the side where he had the better chance of survival. I’m convinced that even if Roose didn’t betray Robb the Freya still would have and Roose would have been in me if the victims
One Game of Thrones-ish thing Robb Stark did-- plot for the Ironborn to turn in Theon. And look, it WORKED! Lesson: LISTEN TO ROOSE BOLTON. Then kill him, before he gets too cocky...
Robbs death was his own lust for such a fine fine woman. she is stunning. Bolton tried to stop him and be pragmatic over and over. They should have had Roose murder Ramsey not the other way. It showed such usa tv crap when Roose died. As if he wouldnt have seen it coming.
Roose definitely would have realized Ramsey would plot to either murder him or his son. Much more realistic for Roose to quietly dispatch Ramsey than him just getting stabbed.
Sometimes when I'm sad I imagine a timeline where Robb was a bit less headstrong and treated bannermen like Roose better, earning their respect but more importantly their loyalty. Maybe then no red wedding. If only!
Robb was a weak King and that's why Roose betrayed him. Rob allowed his arrogant and controlling mother unlimited access to him during a bloody war. She yelled at the King in front of his second in command. Always second gueesing his decisions, undermining his aythority and acting rogue. He should have never accepted her in his camp, immediatelly sending her back home by force. He then fell in lust with a random girl he knew nothing about and allowed her unlimited access to his tent, even going so far as to dismiss his bannermen whenever she appeared. And then... he broke his oaths because of "love" (i.e. lust, the Frey girls were not that good looking for his taste). Leading to his just death. What a fool.
Nope, only 2 mistakes were jaime and sleeping with the girl. And Roose and Frey would have killed him anyways, because they do what gets them the most power, not responding to slights, perceived or otherwise.
@@juliandacosta6841It’s more complicated than that, Roose wasn’t blinded by greed or power, he is smart and cunning, he only betrayed Robb because it was the best possible outcome he saw for his legacy of his house, had Robb listened to Roose more he wouldn’t have betrayed him. And Walder was bitter, because Robb went back on his word and spurned his family
Catelyn Stark was the one person he could always count on, and most of the advise she gave was sound. Yes, she freed Jamie, but she warned him not to send Theon alone, she pled with him not to disregard his oath to the Freys, and she advised him not to execute Lord Karstark. Each of those three were bigger bounders than releasing Jamie.
Roose literally seized Winterfell, by pretending it would be “good for the northerners” by capturing Theon. Roose Bolton shows how he would do things constantly, which Robb always replies with a honourable answer. So, I mean was Roose really giving good advice to Robb?
8:06 imagine making one of your chief generals, Lord of the second most powerful house in the north and your most powerful ally, leave your tent because some healer wants a word. What dumb writing.
Ah Rob. You're a good guy, but damn you deserve to lose. Your honour and your persistence to not listening to a guy that actually knows how to make a war is astoundingly good. Even in the books, there's not much redeeming you Rob. The flaying advice is really sound, but meh, gotta stick with honour instead of common sense. You go Roose. In books and show, you're the best. Shame your enemies poisoned you.
@@maxpacius4095 I mean it was war and giving the times GOT is set in a little bit of torture would not have been looked down upon that's a modern standard.
@@BeeHatGuy Ohh it does just depends how you do it that's a myth if it never worked then people would never have done it... Maybe it doesn't work when you're highly trained or when you're torturing someone for info they simply don't have but if they do have it ohh they'll sing, they'll sing hard and long but a trained seal? Yea unlikely to work.
Roose Bolton: ‘He ignored my advice at every turn…if he’d been a trifle less arrogant…’ I feel he was very much genuinely on Robb’s side until he’d had enough of his naivety and saw that his arrogance and petulance would result in them inevitably losing the war.
Roose was a good ally to Robb. But an ally isn’t necessarily a friend. Roose Bolton was a dangerous man, the kind of men you would want to maintain the loyalty whether it is based on honor or not. As a King he should’ve know Bolton loyalty was bargained, not true. When you’re in leadership position you need to see things as they are not as you would like.
The thing about loyalty...Once you break it then you let everyone know it's a smart idea to betray you first. Roose never expected his bastard to betray him once he gave him his name and paid the price along with his legitimate son and wife. The disloyal have no supporters.
The actor and character of Roose Bolton reminds me Putin. It's like Putin trying to advise Boris Yeltsin, he eventually gets annoyed and uses his own wit to better his own position
Roose Bolton was pretty much the Tywin of the North in my opinion. And i still can't believe we never got a Stark vs Lannister battle on the screen let alone Robb Stark getting more fighting screentime. I genuinely feel we were robbed and that is one of the MAJOR flaws of the early seasons. But they're still better than the last 2 seasons. *ugh*
The main part of the Stark vs Lannister conflict was in the first 2 books (first 2 seasons of the show) but they didn't have budget to film such sequences. A lot of the cast was also not hired at that point either.
I don't know why but for some reason it always bugged me when Talissa first appeared and you could see the sparkles in Robb's eyes ... It used to piss me off every time he'd fawn over Talissa. I don't fully remember whether it was her character I didn't like or him getting sidetracked and "somewhat" forgetting his duty to his people, his father and his little sisters. From Robb's and Talissa's very first conversation, I knew it was bad news and something's about to go wrong, still, I was not ready for the red wedding. Nevertheless, as horrific as it was, I still believed that Robb and Kaitlyn somewhat deserved it.
Robb was a good man, but he died for the same reason Ned died. Too much value on being the better man. There are times where keeping up your honor is the way to go, like sticking to your fkn vows and marrying who you said you would, and other times you gotta get your hands dirty, like executing/torturing prisoners for informations. He could've kept Bolton on his side by remaining strong and Frey as an ally if he hadn't betrayed him. Not to mention that executing enemies is a no-no apparently, but beheading your own bannermen and blood is a-okay. So many dumb decisions.
Honestly i can see why roose betrayed robb. He was a skilled battle commander and did everything he could to win the ear for the north. I would have named him my hand and followed his advice closely.
I know flaying is a horrible torture, but House Bolton are far my favorite house in GoT. Roose is a sound tactician and an excellent commander, if the young Wolf would have heeded his counsel. Fuck Robb's honor, he already lost the North for lying a peasant and breaking the vows with the Freys.
@@juxtanner7959 Robb’s actions were making loss of support in the north. When he broke his word to Fray, and lost them too, it was the final straw so Bolton betrayed him also so he could be on the victorious side. Thats how politics works, even in real life. Just like his father Robb knew nothing of it. If he kept the support of his powerful banners (like Boltons, and Frays) he would’ve probably won the war and the fact that Ramsay took Winterfell or not wouldn’t matter. At that point Robb would be too powerful to be messed with.
Robb doesnt understand of the cruelity of this world, he should've allowed Roose to toy with flay his enemies a bit, maybe he would've been satisfied with him and wouldn't betray him.
I think he is intimately familiar with the cruelty of the world, as illustrated by his understanding that if they torture/flay Lannister officers, that both Arya and Sansa would receive similar treatment.
Probably when the king married for love instead of politics. He put his own desires above the cause. Also diverting from the war to attend a funeral is casting doubts on his focus.
Its in the clip. He keeps trying to council him into victory, but Robb don’t gave him credit enough. The scene in the tent when he looks back at Robb twice like “for real bro?”. He thought they were going to lose the war because of him, so he had enough after Robb lost the Frays and helped to backstab him so he could save his house from the winners wrath.
@@harrisonjones280i dont think they counted on Stannis that much. The war had become a secession movement from the North. They hoped to beat the southern armies and solidify the North as an independent Kingdom.
He should've listened to roose more often. He should've also de stabilised the freys by plotting for one of walders heirs to take over, one more accepting of a northern win. Catelyn should've been kept at winterfell, full stop. Grieve she might, but everything she did created more strife.
Idk shot about writing but i can imagine GRRM writing about tobb and falling in love with this boy created with his his personality, character and honor and the things he dome like capturing jamie or winning a few battles and just loving eveything about him And then 1 day it hits him like a sack of bricks when he finally says to himself robb needs to die and the way he gets killed off probably forced himself to get drunk lol
The more i watch these scenes the more i realize Robb had it coming, he was such a crappy king, valuing a wh0r3 and Lannister prisoners more than his own people. Roose did the right thing.
Let’s be real, Robb should have marched straight back to Winterfell instead of listening to Roose. They had Jaime, meaning a retreat would not been defeat. In fact, retaking Winterfell would only consolidate their power.
Tywin would have burned whole Riverlands to the ground and kill all Tullies. Also going Winterfell for few Ironborns would cost too much to Starks. Robb should have sent another houses crews with Ramsay.
Tbh i like robb, i really do. But he was being too honorable. Roose gave some good counsel to him. Its war and sometimes you got to do what you got to do. Even with karstarks i side with him on rebuking their lord on killing the boys but he should of listened to his mother and others. Imprison him and tell his men to keep fighting until the war is won and he would be released or atleast put to trial. Just robb was trying to be too much like his father and do the honorable way. I agree with roose saying "The high road is pretty but you will have trouble marching your army down it"
The timing of Talisa is obviously always getting in the nerves of Roose. Roose is more focused on winning the war than Robb 😁
True indeed. That woman really was a distraction, Robb lost the war because of her.
Lol. True. I feel like every time she shows up, he wants to snap his fingers in Robb’s face and say, “FOCUS.” xD
He knew Robb had his eye on her and that it will distract him/make him break his vow to the freys/
If Robb was just fucking her, I don’t think Roose would’ve cared. But it’s the fact that his knows Robb is green and would sacrifice victory for honor.
Robb had yet to lose.
The guy that plays Roose. What a good actor. What a badass!!
What they did to his character in the end was a travesty
You should look up an Irish comedy mockumentary called ‘paths to freedom’…He’s an even better actor than you already think, you’ll hardly believe it’s the same person. And he hilariously funny
What a voice!
What a helpful and loyal banner man. And his son seems quite honorable!
never realized how hard Roose tried to give Rob good council, and all he got was Rob's obstinate, headstrong arrogance. Rob really did seal his own fate. he broke all his vows and generally pissed everyone off.
if only robb listened to roose and karstark he would have won the war
Aside from his stance on torturing and killing POW (which in the end, really didn't play into Robb's downfall), what other advice did Robb ignore? He wasn't there to advise against executing Lord Karstark and he never really said anything about Robb breaking his oath with the Frey's... In fact, Robb took his advice on not returning to Winterfell, and to let Ramsay deal with Theon.
@@eathan2465 aside from his suggestions on torturing and killing POW's *for* information (which a common solider probably wouldn't be privy to anyways), for space in their campground abd rations, -- what other advice did Robb ignore from Roose? And yet, he listened to him about not returning to Winterfell, did he not? It was a very idiotic idea by Robb and Roose swayed him away from the idea.
I mean, on another note, say what you want about Cat releasing Jaime Lannister, she gave consistent and sound advice to him. She warned him not to break his marriage oath to the Frey's and to hold Lord Karstark as a hostage until the war was over. In both instances, Roose didn't say anything.
He got what he deserved!
@@jimsty5222 let's agree Robb is an idiot and his biggest blunder is naming himself king. As lord of Winterfell he could've found any number of allies or rode home once he saw the war was lost, giving him the home field advantage.
With Stannis by his side they could've hit King's Landing with a united front or co-ordinated their troops (better with Renly and the Tyrells but that won't work)
Roose Bolton was one of the few man capable of beating Tywin Lannister, if only Robb listened to him.
Ironically, Tywin beat Roose in battle
Robb did nothing but beat Tywin and everyone else, he’s arguably the best general in the series.
Edmure beat Tywin in battle
@@RexOlafusVidulusMagnusroose got all of them men more loyal to Robb killed by Tywin instead of his own forces.
Yeah the goal wasn't deafeating Tywin it was pinning him, plus he was outnumbered and out gunned by Tywin, its pretty impressive that Roose manged to retreat from Tywin with most of his forces intact.@@RexOlafusVidulusMagnus
Damn this video makes me actually appreciate Roose Bolton.
ruclips.net/video/wtbcaWnybzs/видео.html .
He’s even more interesting but also scarier in the books
@@RyanRFCThe actor playing Roose was great despite being different from the books, but I would've loved seeing him act like Book Roose I say he would've NAILED it.
Can't believe we never got to see an actual battlefield scene between Lannisters and Stark
Maybe we will. Jon vs Jaime
diddeny1 Quick battle being that Jamie sucks now. Went from the best to the worst
I dont know. If he parried Jons strike and than smashed him with the iron fist. It would be really destructive strike.
it was due to budget reasons, they saved all budget to the Blackwater battle episode... And in season1 we also didnt get to see the Battle of the Whispering Wood aswell, which is an amazing battle in the books and that was due to low budget aswell :/
@@moraisgkm TBF in the books we never properly saw the Battle of the Whispering Wood either - Theon wasn't a POV character at the time and any descriptions of the fight came 2nd hand to Catelyn and Tyrion.
What *was* sadly omitted was the battle at the Fist of the First Men.
House Stark's motto shouldn't be "Winter is Coming". It should be "Honor Before Reason".
+Jason Lowery It wasn't very honourable of him to forsake his oath to marry the Frey girl.
That's why i think the tully's words are the best
"Family, Duty, Honor" 3 Important things in the rigth orders, if the starks had respected those words, most would still be alive.
sam h I completely agree with that... 100%... He wasn't honorable when it came to that... but that nurse chick threw herself at him and he was horny... he was only 18...
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Exactly not fo mention catelyn is legit from the south she knew how the southern had no honor why the fuck did she not tell her family this or at least teach them this value it would have helped robb a lot of he acted like ned but had his grandfathers political sense
05:13 'My boy would be honored to bring you prince theons head'........ just not the one that sits on his his shoulders Lol.
Memyself Yo 😂😂😂😂
His nice little head
As much as I hated Bolton for his betrayal, the truth is, Robb f*cked up a lot, and Bolton was usually right. Robb should have listened to him more.
If he would of listened, Roose Bolton said himself that he would have most likely never betrayed him.
IMO, Robb not taking his advice was just an additional frustration. He switched sides after Blackwater, when the situation changed in the Lannister's favor. If Robb had followed Roose's wish to flay prisoners for information etc it would not have changed much
It's interesting to think of a timeline where Roose would have been loyal to Robb, but the books imply that Roose was scheming from the very beginning. An important detail being that during the battle of the green fork there were no Dreadfort casualties, while other northern houses (Cerwyn, Tallhart, Umber) had losses. Roose was likely holding his own men back in order to strengthen his house's position. Robb's position was unwinnable regardless with the Lannister-Tyrell alliance in the south, Stannis and Lysa Arryn refusing to ally with him and Greyjoys at his rear. The narrative really conspired to screw him over now that I think of it lol.
The Boltons were the second most powerful house in the north, and the Starks were weakening with the death of Ned, the capture of the Stark girls and boys, and the sacking of Winterfell. Tywin promised Roose safety is he betrayed the Starks, it was going happen eventually
Roose made sure to always have himself covered, no matter what. He did provide a good distraction for Robb at Green Fork and was competent infantry commander, but he also made sure to conserve his own house forces, while letting others take the brunt of the damage. Rebellous nr 2 houses have such a way of being, that only might can keep them loyal. As soon as Robb was commiting blunders, Winterfell was sacked (on his orders? still a mystery, maybe he just rolled with it) and Stannis defeated, it was obvious a time to jump ship was now, might as well get something out of it. Enough of bending knees to Starks.
Roose swore loyalty to Robb Stark and meant it! He genuinely offered him the best advice he possibly could. He only chose to defect to Team Lannister once it looked like the Starks would not win the war.
I love the little details like Roose saying they can't keep too many prisoners since they barely have enough food to feed their own troops as it is. Then later of course all their tents are occupied and Roose mutters "too many prisoners." Like yes it sounded harsh to just kill everyone but it's also unwise to keep so many prisoners when there's not enough food and shelter for everyone.
It's also sweet to me that Robb keeps saying "your son" in response to Roose's "my bastard" lmao
I wouldn’t call Bolton loyal… he was completely self interested. He definitely didn’t always plan to betray Robb, but he was certainly not trustworthy. And when he saw it was in his best interest to slaughter the Starks at the wedding for a chance at become Warden of the North then he seized the opportunity.
A fair weather friend.
>Roose swore loyalty to Robb Stark and meant it!
>He only defected when it looked like the Starks wouldn't win the war.
LOL.....
The Bolton cause was tied to Stark success, if the Starks failed the Boltons failed. Roose gave Robb sound advice up until Robb betrayed the Freys, at that point Robb signed his own death warrant.
Taking winterfell, alone meant nothing, but it legitimized Roose more if something happened to Robb. If the Boltons were to survive, they needed leverage and roose is nothing if not pragmatic.
Edit: even taking Winterfell, if Robb never failed, meant that Roose could ask for Ramsay to be legitimized and marry possibly Arya as a reward for securing the North from the Greyjoys.
Roose, the best of allies / the worst of enemies, at the same time. Brilliant.
It all backfired when Tywin died. Roose couldn't have foreseen that, but once Tywin was dead he was alone considering his betrayal and how all of Westeros was disgusted by it.
I believe Arya was already betrothed to one of the Frey's (when she comes of age). It was part of the deal with them. Along with Robb marrying one of the girls, having a boy as his squire (and in the books, 2 boys were send to winterfell).
@@kevingonzalez5586 LOL. That was never gonna go well. Imagine the poor Frey that get's forced to marry Arya. The way she was heading at the beginning, she'd probably still wind up skinning his face without ever meeting the faceless men. Beats Joffrey. See's a guy get a chunk of wood in the neck during a joust and the look on her face just says "Ohhhhhh, that's AWESOME."
Poor, dead Frey.
@@squamish4244 actually I think Roose played it so that the freys took much of the blame.
@@nathanhursey6779 It still left Roose without allies and vulnerable to retribution by the North - which is in fact what happened. This plot point was certainly in line with what the never-to-be-published WoW has in mind.
Loras has been stabbing Renly for years and still can't kill him hahahahah
I really hated Bolton after the wedding. But when you re-watch it, the guy was frustrated. Didn’t blame him in the end. Rob’s ignorance was his own downfall
I totally blame him. What he did was absolutely unforgivable. Robb was a boy and Roose was an evil opportunist who betrayed him and helped violate one of the most sacred social mores there is.
Robb should have listened to Roose more. Hell he should have named Roose his Hand, then perhaps much would have been different.
+TheDeviantLord Nope. Roose is too ambitious and wouldve just found another way to topple him. The Boltons and Starks have been enemies in the North for thousands of years.
+GardEngebretsen yh but roose wouldn't overthrow him if he was really good at keeping stark ground
He wants the North no matter what.
Roose himself told to Walder Frey that the main reason to betray Robb was because he was ignoring all his advices, and of course, the release of Jaime, Robb breaking a vow to marry the Frey girl, etc.
Well in the books he says betraying robb was a decision he took after stannis's defeat at blackwater bay, I. E that the lannisters were no longer possible to beat militarily.
I forgot all of this. Now looking back I wonder what would have happened if Rob would have listened to him.
Let's be honest, Robb wasn't in the best of positions. He could win battles all day and night, but he didn't have nearly the men he needed to take King's Landing. The Ironborn were going to continue reaving his lands while the army was south, but if Robb took his army north, as Roose rightly told him, he'd lose the war and the recombined southern armies would march on Winterfel. He could possibly ally with Stannis, but Stannis would have demanded Robb bend the knee, which Robb wasn't going to do.
So I suppose the best possible outcome would have been for Robb to return to being Warden of the North for Stannis under the assumption Tywin's relief of King's Landing wouldn't have been enough to overcome both armies, but the path to which Robb would remain king of a free and independent north was always a pipe dream. And honestly none of that had anything to do with Robb or who he married or who he executed, it was just the hand he was dealt as King in the North.
He would actually have a chance at winning. Victory is not set in stone obviously, but by taking Roose's counsel, Rob would've not been so fucked. Plus, Roose is highly intelligent, highly efficient, and utterly ruthless. These things should matter more than 'muh honour' or 'muh morality'. In the books, it goes into more detail. Such a shame that Rob has too much of his father in him.
Only if Stannis could take KL
@@oceandark3044 southern armies can't get past moat cailin as long as it is manned
@@MC-xd8lp The dilemma here is that Robb is King of the North AND the Trident (Riverlands). If he leaves to retake the North, then Riverlands will be in trouble again, but they could try to hold out at Riverrun against a siege (again). More pillaging ensues from Lannisters. If he won't leave to retake the North, he keeps losing legitimacy, because center of his rule is in the hands of enemy. In the books if Ramsay didn't come in and betray Stark forces at Winterfell, Rodrik Cassel would easily retake the castle. He did defeat the bait of Ironborn at Torrhen's Square left by Theon, and now would easily finish the job, no matter if Theon would kill his daughter or not.
I would never dare dismiss Roose or choose to talk to Talisa over him. Yes Robb would have been much wiser if he almost always did as Roose counseled.
Ned Stark would never do it, that's for sure. But alas, Rob was too young..
Loved to see him before the Red Wedding, no one unsullied knew who he was or what he was going to do. Just a background character similar to Theon in a way in S1.
This man, played Roose so f'in good.. I mean I know he is not 100% same as in books.. but damn, I still watched him and seen THEE Roose Bolton. Great actor.
>emblem is literally a flayed man
>talks about flaying people
>lives in a place called the Dreadfort
>his surname is the same as the American politician who wants to start a nuclear war with Iran, Russia and China
>kinda looks like Vladimir Putin
How did Robb ever trust this guy
he kinda noble lord with his own army of 5000 men, even Lannisters trusted him giving title Warden of the North
Robb really showed mercy to his enemies, low borns too, never will there be a king as him again,
idiot ned still have idiot sons. although it looks like dying once has fixed jon snow
Kadir Hizarci Be quiet feudalism might not be an abomination if every lord was like the Starks. I cant stand it when stupid fan boys attack the Starks for being Honourable rather than total assholes
Good
@@malekiththeeternityking5433 the Starks were assholes?
@@thedrinkinggamemaker9749 They kinda were.
Love him or hate him Roose Bolton had a calculating head on his shoulders and should have been heeded by his young, stubborn King.
This guys voice is next level
Agreed, there is a cold chill about it.
The Roose Bolton from this season-and the books-would immediately begin preparations for a counter-coup against Ramsay the moment word of his true born son was announced. He’d have all Ramsay’s men, who in the books were actually Roose’s men under cover, surveilled and purged. Instead, in season 6 of the show, he does none of this and goes for a hug.
Agreed. Horrible writing and wildly out of character
3:14 this is where Robb Stark really dies.
Roose was basically second in command for Robb & he was trying to do the right thing before betraying his king
It's a small detail but at 6:58 Roose, instead of following the other Lords, stays and stands at the ready to follow any command given. Roose is a bad man but he isn't stupid.
A bad man, but offers good counsel and he would have stay loyal to Robb and keep listening to Roose Bolton's advice. Forsaking the marriage with the Freys was Robb's greatest mistake.
@@josiahdoromalNope. He was gonna betray Robb anyways following Blackwater. He realized then that a Stark victory was almost impossible. He took the easy route out.
Every time Roose was advising Robb, Talisa always came at the wrong time. 😂
I feel like a fool after all these years not seeing the signs…Roose did want to help Robb at first but Robb basically gave Roose a deaf ear. It’s all there in front of the viewer and I was so focused on Robb winning that I ignored that he ignored anyone’s advice really
You can clearly see Bolton wants to help Robb do the pragmatic thing, to win the war, and yet Robb doesn't listen.
Robb was surrounded by good man and experience general they were all loyal to house stark and even smarter when combined to tywin that's why Rob win every war he fought until he pissed them off.
Robb was just like his father... Too honest to rule
Their honesty was probably why they ruled the North. Robb inherited a war at a huge disadvantage. Jon Snow died too but was resurrected, he was lucky Robb wasn't.
@@spyral1051 Why was Jon lucky Robb wasn’t resurrected?
@@ThatDoesntWorkForMeBrother Yep, Robb didn't have the Vale to bail him out, and a Red Priestess to bring him back to life. Robb actually won his battles with minimum death rate compared to Jon. Robb was the superior King in the North and I love Jon a bit more.
@@ThatDoesntWorkForMeBrother I think he meant that Jon Snow was lucky to be revived, but Robb wasnt as he didnt have Melisandre there
Eddard Stark was a great ruler, such revisionist drivel. Rob was too young and asked to do everything right out of the gate, he failed. Ned was honorable and true to his word, Rob was hypocritical and made foolish mistakes. He should have never bed and married that girl.
3:05 Lol like joffrey needed an excuse
I remember GRRM saying that Roose was loyal to Robb stark throughout most of the war it wasn’t until Stannis’s defeat of the battle of black water bay and Rob forsakening his vows to marrying one of the frey women was when Roose decided to betray Robb!
Did Roose technically count as his hand? Im guessing he was in support of him. But not taking his advice and then Roose's promise to have the North just was a no brainer
Hand of the King is a generally Southern tradition, stemming from Targaryen rule. I'd say the Blackfish was Robb's most trusted advisor, and probably the closest equivalent to Hand for him.
Robb also didn't have a Kingsguard per name, but he had an elite guard to protect him, they all died at RW.
@@Scarecrow545 Yeah blackfish was behind many of his victories.In books anyways it was his plan to ambush jamie and also he was behind oxcross and lifting the siege of riverun hell when you look at it.It was tywin fighting the blackfish during the war lol
Roose was the head of his vanguard
Why the fuck would u let the heir to karhold stand guard for prisoners
mmm well, he was the kingslayer though
Paulina Campos still tho
+Murq outtt If he hadn't done that, the North may still have been in the game...
I know I am late, but Jaime would have offered them soldiers wealth if they released him
@@mago2267 Good luck collecting on that. Jaime is a high valued prisoner FAR behind enemy lines. Even with Brienne protecting and hiding him he got recaptured within what? A couple of days.
Robb should've let Roose to flay a *few* prisoners...
I like this strategy as opposed to the flaying.
Even in mediavel warfare flaying is too extreme especially with Tywin Lannister men.
I can't believe Robb wasn't even slightly disturbed by Roose casually suggesting flaying people in the same way someone would suggest having a cup of tea
@@tgmartin Flaying was illegal in this time, but it'd hadn't been illegal for all that long of a time. Not to mention there were rumors that the Boltons in Dreadfort still practiced the act, so I don't think it would have been too surprising.
As Robb said, "I don't want to give the Lannisters an excuse to abuse his sisters."
This is the thing, if Robb had listened to Roose, I suspect him and Roose could have actually been good friends. Roose was the wise, cynical realist that Robb desperately needed at his side. A good King would listen to all arguments and view points, even the ones he doesn't like. Especially the ones he doesn't like. I get Robb was trying to be virtuous and honorable but ruling is not virtuous and rarely honorable. Obviously sure, he shouldn't start flaying his enemies or anything like that. But he should have taken Roose's advice more seriously instead of routinely dismissing him.
Roose would have never been Robb's friend; up until the Starks lost their advantage, Roose's main objective was to gain as much favor with Robb, and thereby power and influence, as possible.
Roose would have turned on Robb all the same, despite what he claimed. Remember that speech he gave Ramsay after legitimizing him? He wouldn't have even been content as Warden of the North, he wanted to be King in the North.
A pragmatic psychopath hardly would befriend Robb.
"And where was KING Rob, when the Ironborn attacked this castle" - Lord Glover, when he expressed his disappointment with Robb wanting to help the north.
Robb did want to come back north, but was advised to trust Ramsay.
Roose Bolton would've been a fierce Hand of the King
2 minutes and 20 bloody seconds before we start seeing Roose Bolton from a far distance. Seriously dude?
Does Roose remind anyone else of Putin?
Edward Stevenson He's facial features yeah but the actor is English.
Irish
He is the spitting image of "rats from the flats"
2:56 *Roose Bolton disliked that*
0:40 I always thought that quip was really good.
Man when you realize that Roose was loyal to Robb and offered him really good advice and suggestion however he choose to betray Robb because he realized Robb’s political decisions would still lead to the red wedding so he choose the side where he had the better chance of survival.
I’m convinced that even if Roose didn’t betray Robb the Freya still would have and Roose would have been in me if the victims
One Game of Thrones-ish thing Robb Stark did-- plot for the Ironborn to turn in Theon. And look, it WORKED!
Lesson: LISTEN TO ROOSE BOLTON. Then kill him, before he gets too cocky...
I really wish they would have included him in his battle with tywin in season 1.
if robb follow roose advise the battle ended with stark bannermem in casterly rock
Robbs death was his own lust for such a fine fine woman. she is stunning. Bolton tried to stop him and be pragmatic over and over. They should have had Roose murder Ramsey not the other way. It showed such usa tv crap when Roose died. As if he wouldnt have seen it coming.
Roose definitely would have realized Ramsey would plot to either murder him or his son. Much more realistic for Roose to quietly dispatch Ramsey than him just getting stabbed.
She's cute but stunning I feel is a different type of beauty
Sometimes when I'm sad I imagine a timeline where Robb was a bit less headstrong and treated bannermen like Roose better, earning their respect but more importantly their loyalty. Maybe then no red wedding. If only!
There is only one warden of the north, and his name is Bolton.
facts
I want a whole series about those two guys at the start. Rennick and his boi.
Robb was a weak King and that's why Roose betrayed him.
Rob allowed his arrogant and controlling mother unlimited access to him during a bloody war. She yelled at the King in front of his second in command. Always second gueesing his decisions, undermining his aythority and acting rogue. He should have never accepted her in his camp, immediatelly sending her back home by force.
He then fell in lust with a random girl he knew nothing about and allowed her unlimited access to his tent, even going so far as to dismiss his bannermen whenever she appeared.
And then... he broke his oaths because of "love" (i.e. lust, the Frey girls were not that good looking for his taste). Leading to his just death.
What a fool.
That's not just. The fact that someone is treasonous is on them, not the people they betray. We all saw what the Bolton way got Roose
Harsh but your mostly right🙃
Nope, only 2 mistakes were jaime and sleeping with the girl. And Roose and Frey would have killed him anyways, because they do what gets them the most power, not responding to slights, perceived or otherwise.
@@juliandacosta6841It’s more complicated than that, Roose wasn’t blinded by greed or power, he is smart and cunning, he only betrayed Robb because it was the best possible outcome he saw for his legacy of his house, had Robb listened to Roose more he wouldn’t have betrayed him. And Walder was bitter, because Robb went back on his word and spurned his family
Catelyn Stark was the one person he could always count on, and most of the advise she gave was sound. Yes, she freed Jamie, but she warned him not to send Theon alone, she pled with him not to disregard his oath to the Freys, and she advised him not to execute Lord Karstark.
Each of those three were bigger bounders than releasing Jamie.
Roose literally seized Winterfell, by pretending it would be “good for the northerners” by capturing Theon. Roose Bolton shows how he would do things constantly, which Robb always replies with a honourable answer. So, I mean was Roose really giving good advice to Robb?
If I was Roose I would be pissed too! Literally lost the war because of stupid Stark moral code. That and Robb thought with his member
Roose wanted to be Tywin of the North, but Rob lost his faith
Roose actually tried to help Robb I every way he legit had no choice but to betray him
After Robb's blunder after blunder? I think betraying an incompetent King is a sound decision. Roose was a ruthless yet an excellent commander
8:06 imagine making one of your chief generals, Lord of the second most powerful house in the north and your most powerful ally, leave your tent because some healer wants a word. What dumb writing.
Ah Rob. You're a good guy, but damn you deserve to lose. Your honour and your persistence to not listening to a guy that actually knows how to make a war is astoundingly good. Even in the books, there's not much redeeming you Rob. The flaying advice is really sound, but meh, gotta stick with honour instead of common sense. You go Roose. In books and show, you're the best. Shame your enemies poisoned you.
Wtf In which world its common sense to flay prisoners
@@maxpacius4095 I mean it was war and giving the times GOT is set in a little bit of torture would not have been looked down upon that's a modern standard.
You would give the enemy an excuse to rape your loves ones? The reason you went to war.
@@jabronisauce6833 torture doesn't work
@@BeeHatGuy Ohh it does just depends how you do it that's a myth if it never worked then people would never have done it... Maybe it doesn't work when you're highly trained or when you're torturing someone for info they simply don't have but if they do have it ohh they'll sing, they'll sing hard and long but a trained seal? Yea unlikely to work.
Roose Bolton: ‘He ignored my advice at every turn…if he’d been a trifle less arrogant…’
I feel he was very much genuinely on Robb’s side until he’d had enough of his naivety and saw that his arrogance and petulance would result in them inevitably losing the war.
2:48 that was in the TellTale Game GoT "A naked man holds few secrets, a flayd men holds none"
"He wouldn't dare hurt the boys."
Right. Only put an arrow through Rickon's chest.
He was talking about Theon, not Ramsay.
Roose loved Bran and Rickon, they were his nephews. Ramsay only killed Rickon since his dad wasn't around to stop him.
Bran and Rickon were not nephews of Roose.
Neue Ära technically after Ramsay married sansa they would have been related
That's true john.
Roose was a good ally to Robb.
But an ally isn’t necessarily a friend. Roose Bolton was a dangerous man, the kind of men you would want to maintain the loyalty whether it is based on honor or not.
As a King he should’ve know Bolton loyalty was bargained, not true. When you’re in leadership position you need to see things as they are not as you would like.
Damn Roose is kinda a G
The thing about loyalty...Once you break it then you let everyone know it's a smart idea to betray you first. Roose never expected his bastard to betray him once he gave him his name and paid the price along with his legitimate son and wife. The disloyal have no supporters.
The actor and character of Roose Bolton reminds me Putin. It's like Putin trying to advise Boris Yeltsin, he eventually gets annoyed and uses his own wit to better his own position
Roose Bolton was pretty much the Tywin of the North in my opinion.
And i still can't believe we never got a Stark vs Lannister battle on the screen let alone Robb Stark getting more fighting screentime.
I genuinely feel we were robbed and that is one of the MAJOR flaws of the early seasons. But they're still better than the last 2 seasons. *ugh*
The main part of the Stark vs Lannister conflict was in the first 2 books (first 2 seasons of the show) but they didn't have budget to film such sequences. A lot of the cast was also not hired at that point either.
House Bolton was the ancient version of Cartel Jalisco Nueva Generacion
I don't know why but for some reason it always bugged me when Talissa first appeared and you could see the sparkles in Robb's eyes ... It used to piss me off every time he'd fawn over Talissa. I don't fully remember whether it was her character I didn't like or him getting sidetracked and "somewhat" forgetting his duty to his people, his father and his little sisters. From Robb's and Talissa's very first conversation, I knew it was bad news and something's about to go wrong, still, I was not ready for the red wedding. Nevertheless, as horrific as it was, I still believed that Robb and Kaitlyn somewhat deserved it.
Robb was a good man, but he died for the same reason Ned died.
Too much value on being the better man. There are times where keeping up your honor is the way to go, like sticking to your fkn vows and marrying who you said you would, and other times you gotta get your hands dirty, like executing/torturing prisoners for informations.
He could've kept Bolton on his side by remaining strong and Frey as an ally if he hadn't betrayed him.
Not to mention that executing enemies is a no-no apparently, but beheading your own bannermen and blood is a-okay.
So many dumb decisions.
"I expect his countrymen will tern on him the moment they have the offer"
Roose was a terrifying character , but I loved him
7:11 is the moment he decides that he is going to betray this honourable fool the first chance he gets.
Honestly i can see why roose betrayed robb. He was a skilled battle commander and did everything he could to win the ear for the north. I would have named him my hand and followed his advice closely.
Plot Twist: Talisa tought that Roose and Robb were lovers, that's why she kept interrupting them!
he was too much nice
If Roose wasn’t ignored so much he’d think Rob good enough to follow but nah, he was like nope
i guess you could say it was...
all a roose!
Killing’s the sweetest thing there is
Talisa was annoying, but she alone didn't lose them the war, it was Robs mercy and constant mistakes that did.
I know flaying is a horrible torture, but House Bolton are far my favorite house in GoT. Roose is a sound tactician and an excellent commander, if the young Wolf would have heeded his counsel. Fuck Robb's honor, he already lost the North for lying a peasant and breaking the vows with the Freys.
He's been stabbing renely for years and he ain't desd
6:22 is when robb loses the war
Robb should have listened just once in his life..
Robb did listen. Roose told him to send Ramsay to take Winterfell back, and they sent Ramsay to take it back.
@@juxtanner7959 Robb’s actions were making loss of support in the north. When he broke his word to Fray, and lost them too, it was the final straw so Bolton betrayed him also so he could be on the victorious side. Thats how politics works, even in real life.
Just like his father Robb knew nothing of it.
If he kept the support of his powerful banners (like Boltons, and Frays) he would’ve probably won the war and the fact that Ramsay took Winterfell or not wouldn’t matter. At that point Robb would be too powerful to be messed with.
If robb had been smart he would have made his widowed mom marry roose .
roose being nice to jaimie was a sign he flipped.
Robb doesnt understand of the cruelity of this world, he should've allowed Roose to toy with flay his enemies a bit, maybe he would've been satisfied with him and wouldn't betray him.
I think he is intimately familiar with the cruelty of the world, as illustrated by his understanding that if they torture/flay Lannister officers, that both Arya and Sansa would receive similar treatment.
Could someone please tell me at which point did Roose Bolton decide to turn traitor. He looked very loyal in this video
Probably when the king married for love instead of politics. He put his own desires above the cause. Also diverting from the war to attend a funeral is casting doubts on his focus.
When Robb became the King that lost the North
When Stannis lost the blackwater , the North was outnumbered by Tyrell and Lannister armies
Its in the clip. He keeps trying to council him into victory, but Robb don’t gave him credit enough. The scene in the tent when he looks back at Robb twice like “for real bro?”.
He thought they were going to lose the war because of him, so he had enough after Robb lost the Frays and helped to backstab him so he could save his house from the winners wrath.
@@harrisonjones280i dont think they counted on Stannis that much. The war had become a secession movement from the North. They hoped to beat the southern armies and solidify the North as an independent Kingdom.
I love the first sixty seconds of pure fucking black
He should've listened to roose more often.
He should've also de stabilised the freys by plotting for one of walders heirs to take over, one more accepting of a northern win.
Catelyn should've been kept at winterfell, full stop. Grieve she might, but everything she did created more strife.
If only Rob had stayed focused
Idk shot about writing but i can imagine GRRM writing about tobb and falling in love with this boy created with his his personality, character and honor and the things he dome like capturing jamie or winning a few battles and just loving eveything about him
And then 1 day it hits him like a sack of bricks when he finally says to himself robb needs to die and the way he gets killed off probably forced himself to get drunk lol
Rob was too idealistic and it bothered me
If anything this world needs more idealistic people
rub stock!
The more i watch these scenes the more i realize Robb had it coming, he was such a crappy king, valuing a wh0r3 and Lannister prisoners more than his own people. Roose did the right thing.
If Robb had too many prisoners, why didn't he just send Oltan back to KL
Well, Oltan was a messenger(I'm assuming), so I guess the plan was to hold Oltan until they had an answer for KL.
Let’s be real, Robb should have marched straight back to Winterfell instead of listening to Roose. They had Jaime, meaning a retreat would not been defeat. In fact, retaking Winterfell would only consolidate their power.
Tywin would have burned whole Riverlands to the ground and kill all Tullies. Also going Winterfell for few Ironborns would cost too much to Starks. Robb should have sent another houses crews with Ramsay.
Robb shoulda listened to Roose.
"Hes been stabbing renly for years still hasn't killed him" LOL I thought loras was the bottom
Tbh i like robb, i really do. But he was being too honorable. Roose gave some good counsel to him. Its war and sometimes you got to do what you got to do. Even with karstarks i side with him on rebuking their lord on killing the boys but he should of listened to his mother and others. Imprison him and tell his men to keep fighting until the war is won and he would be released or atleast put to trial. Just robb was trying to be too much like his father and do the honorable way. I agree with roose saying "The high road is pretty but you will have trouble marching your army down it"