Red Wedding - The clues
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- Опубликовано: 6 июн 2013
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The Red Wedding was unexpected... but was Lord Bolton's treason?
Re-watch some scenes and see the little clues that were in the show. The treason began long before the Red Wedding...
Just to be clear: this video is mainly for people who have not read the books. So YES I know that there were more clues in the books!! And I KNOW some things were different in the books. I've read them. But here I only put the clues that were in the SHOW.
[EDIT] I've added annotations to make things more clear ;)
The Frey treason is easy to understand so I didn't put any Frey-related scenes here.
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I think the most subtle clue that they were about to be betrayed was when they started stabbing Rob's wife. If you think about it, once they finish stabbing her, they're probably going to move onto Rob too. Since she's affiliated with Rob, it might not have been a random attack but a coordinated one.
Wow. Are you a detective?
Yes but only a trained eye could spot it
I also had a suspicion this might be planned at that stage.
Exactly
Lmao
TheIrishEnigma Where’s the fookin love button??
Theon being pissed at the hornblower is the funniest thing in the whole GoT.
It's made even funnier that in the book it is Ramsay who is blowing the horn.
And when Theon say he is going to kill him even with arrow in him xD
It's also implied that Ramsay was the horn blower in the show.
I didn't realize that until now, that makes so much sense!
That's a foreshadowing as well. Get it?
Theon & piss.
In the books, when Daenerys enters the House of the Undying, among the many visions she has, there's one where she sees a banquet filled with corpses and at the center of the room, sitting on a throne, lies a wolf-headed man, dead.
Would have been a dead giveaway in the show though
@@WurstWasser617 yeah people figured out the R+L=J theory with subtlest of clues
@@WurstWasser617 i dont think so but in the books while u read, there are tons of shits happening. So basically u lose tracks with every page. And Robb was also portrait as a great leader, ambitious youth etc.. People expected him to win. So when u see/read the red wedding it shots u in the head.
in the shows u can do this by showing daenerys's visions as a dream in the first season. People would forget it by the time and boom there it is :D
But the bolton scenes were also enough to my opinion. I started the books after the show so bacially i didnt know whats gonna happen. First time when i watched red wedding, i was like "that damn bolton guy". My point is even with these scenes its predictable but not expectable. Thats why robbs death is so shocking.
@@megamen7353 With writing, you're not necessarily going to instantly attribute a banquet to Edmure's wedding, and that's why it's shocking - because you probably wouldn't relate the two until they've both happened. However, with a show, you'd need to actually show the Red Wedding, you'd have to show the same set, Robb's body etc. Didn't have to do that in the books because it's from Dany's perspective and she doesn't know who anyone is. People would definitely remember I'm afraid - you just couldn't do it.
Megamen people would not of forgotten if they saw that. you know how many “10 things you missed this episode”? a fuck ton
Tell you what was unexpected. Qyburn getting yeeted against some rocks
mick shnick lmao
I am sure Qyburn also thought it was unexpected....but if you approach a Mountain (Sir Gregor) that gets confronted by his brother (The Hound), who came for revenge....then you should expect no results from trying to stop him :D
mick shnick that was very satisfying
@mick shnick - 🤣❤️
Ser Gregor became a one with the Red God and cast Brickarys on him
One more clue: Cersei tells Margaery the story behind _The Rains of Castamere_ so that the audience will make that connection when they play it at the wedding. It foreshadows the massacre, because it's a song _about_ a massacre.
underrated one
I’ll be honest, in my first time watching the red wedding, I didn’t realize that the reins of castemere was playing. I knew something was up based on cat’s reaction, but I didn’t make an immediate connection to what cersei said to margaery
And the ending of a house- killing “The King in the North” supposedly destroyed house Stark in the Lannister’s eyes
That was THE clue.
Tywin tells Tyrion that Robb days are numered beacause the Karstarks marching home. Also Lord Bolton sending Jaime to Kings landing in Robbs back and sending regards to Tywin
I also remember that I got confused when Bolton sent Jaime back to king's landing, it made absolutely no sense
Facts another clue I didn’t realise
Yea, but i thought cuz Cat sent him with Brienne, so it shouold've worked lol.
@@MrSam1804 yeah but actually no, Robb asked everyone to bring Jaime back if possible, not to negotiate with Tywin Or abide by Caitlin anymore m
Because a lot of it makes no sense still. In the books a free company captain chops off jaimes hand because he knows it will get blamed on Roose and the captain wants to keep Roose from changing allegiances. Roose sends jaime on only if jaime will swear that Roose had nothing to do with his maiming
@@daricklapaglia4337 if Roose wanted nothing to do with the maiming, he is clearly trying to side with Lannister and stay on tywins good side. He still sent him home. If he was loyal to stark at that point he wouldn’t have cared about that. They would be at war with Lannisters regardless.
The stabbing of the maester always seems like overkill, until you remember that i think it's the ironborn, they hate maesters.
why?
the show doesn't dive into it very much, but there's a history of mistrust of maester manipulation. the ironborn are salty hard god fearing people, measters and their knowledge seem like schemers to them.... and maesters are all outsiders to the ironborn.
They had to kill him so he wouldn't spread the truth that the ironborn surrendered and the Boltons were the ones that sacked and burned Winterfell. Only way the ruse would work is if there were no survivors, it wasn't because of maester hatred.
That doesn't make any sense. The Ironborn have nothing to hide, it's Ramsay and his men that would've needed to kill him to keep things covered. They just stabbed him in an opportunistic way and don't bother to actually kill him.
The Ironborn lieutenant was definitely just pissed off and wanted to stab something.
you forgot when Frey says "The wine will flow red, The music will play loud, and we'll put this mess behind us"
nutflixx the blood will flow red, the lannisters music will play loud, and we will lit the mess behind us...
That's not a clue, it only makes sense in hindsight.
Only if wine doesn't come in red
Well it kinda makes sense cause the blood flowed, the lannister music was the cue, and the Starks never came into any conflict with House Frey until Arya killed them alone 4 seasons later. So they put it behind them,
This is no foreshadowing. It is the wedding itself......
The real clues are in the books. Right from the start of Book 3 you get the feeling that something something is going to happen but you can't seem to put your finger on it until it happens.
Lord Tywin says this on multiple situations - "some wars are won with swords, others with quills and ravens”. He says to Tyrion that he is planning something and he wants to tell it to him but he won't.
Everyone starts behaving like Robb was out of the picture. Tyrion was wed to Sansa. Tywin even says "you let me worry about Robb". Roose Bolton starts calling himself King in the North. and even after Robb betrays Walder Frey, he is too polite to Robb and willing to forget everything, rose Bolton sending Jaime to Kings Landing and advising Brienne to forget about the Starks.
The whole books has an eerie feeling to it like something's going to happen just around the next chapter. This thing was not captured in the show.
Devin Rai When did Roose ever call himself The King In The North?
Joseph Mort I don't remember exactly when but I think it happens when Jaime and Brienne are having lunch with Bolton. He says something like, If I start calling myself the King in the North, ....
something along the lines of these.
Also in the clash of kings Daenerys Targaryen is in the house of the undying and she see a man with a wolf as a head with a crown and at the bottom is bodies. lml grrm is so cool
I mean, not gonna deny the red wedding was an absolute.mind fuck but for me the biggest clue was like walder frey is a cynical, creepy man and I just couldn't buy that hospitality he showed them. he was just not a forgivefull person
+realmadrid0071000 Upon a rereading of A Clash of Kings, the first clue about a Bolton betrayal is the talk about the kind of a psycho Ramsay is vis-a-vis marrying him to the widow Hornwood. In hindsight, Ramsay's well-known seems to serve notice that an Ironborn invasion will be the least of Winterfell's problems.
Why is it everybody in this show is pathologically incapable of taking good advice? Theon gets told to return to the islands but refuses, then gets told to pack it in and go to the Wall but refuses. Robb gets told not to marry that girl but refuses, Shae gets offered a pouch of diamonds to leave before things get bad, even Ned Stark gets told not to go head on against Joeffrey... Nobody seems able to take advice at all.
+William Murderface Or he was in love. Bit different. You seem cynical of it?
yeah stupidity is definitely the biggest crime in got. even dany was advised against trusting the witch. but nope she did and her easy ticket to the throne got fucked.
Like in real life you mean?
***** Catelyn also released Jaime, leading to Karstark's treason
Evil will always triumph because good is dumb.
Roose didn't order the sacking of Winterfell. Ramsay did it on his own account.
but why?
DoubleO88
Because Ramsay is a sadistic power-hungry fool who only thinks he's a cunning planner, without any kind of capability to think about his actions in a long term fashion. He also wants to impress his father, but always fucks up.
Well, he is actually quite cunning, not particulary intelligent, by very prone to violence and make other people suffer. Also he wanted to kill Rodrik Cassel, the one who killed the first Reek.
How can one NOT be fan of Ramsay?! He's so cute in his creepy-ness
+CerseiDM you are my new best friend
2:14Ironborn: Lets go home.
Me: ??
Caption:They want to go home.
Me: Ohhhh.
Xarxa Rei He wanted to make it clear that the ironborn had no will to burn anything, just to get back home
Lmao
xD
Wait what? Lol
Shit now I have to watch a montage of Bolton, Tywin, and Walder Frey dying...
Am I the only one who thinks that Roose Bolton looks like an old James Bond (Daniel Craig)?
JamesB00n At first I thought it was Daniel Craig
***** Daniel Craig + Vladimir Putin = Roose Bolton.
JamesB00n More like Putin for sure
Jon Snow you know nothing
JamesB00n I can see that a bit now you type it.
In the book there's two excellent foreshadowing events that I noticed. When the Hound tells Arya they're going to Riverrun, he states: "Maybe we'll make it in time for your uncle's bloody wedding." And later, before Robb, Catelyn, and the rest of the Starks enter the Twins, Robb's Direwolf sits at the gate and barks like crazy.
I don't think the Hound saying bloody wedding has any meaning beyond coincidental. In Britain, saying "bloody" is akin to saying "damn". If, for example, in America one would say "open the damn door", in Britain one would often say "open the bloody door", if they're simply annoyed and not angry.
That’s not what the hound meant by bloody wedding it’s an expression
@@azh698 Thats just how the hound means it. I am pretty sure that George put it in on purpose, as a sort of wordplay.
Don't forget the Frey wards explaining to Bran the rules of "come into my castle", and the importance of slipping in the word "mayhaps". Waldor Frey would go on to say it to Robb and Cat, when discussing the wedding.
I just reread a storm of swords. The bit where Jaime threatens Roose Bolton and Dinner and Roose says, "At my own table? The laws of hospitality are still held sacred in the north." Sent a chill down my spine.
Another HUGE clue, was the fact that Tywin retreated.
On the map, Harrenhal is at the perfect point in central westeros to prevent Robb from attacking Casterly Rock or Kings Landing. And Tywin at the point KNEW that if he did not hold Harrenhal, his home would be in danger of the Northern Army. But if he didn't, Stannis could sack the capital and kill his family.
When he retreated, he left no one alive at Harrenhal and basically gave it up, which meant he knew that the only logical choice left for Robb is to attack where his army is not at, Casterly Rock. And like Robb said: only lord who had the army he needed was Frey and since Freys already been bought, he knew Casterly Rock was safe. Tywin gave Robb no choice by retreating, get Frey's help and attack casterly rock, or sit on his ass until Tywin returns with Tyrell's army from high garden in addition to his own troops and get wiped out.
Bullshit
First of all, Robb's plan was to take back the north, not Casterly Rock and he could not have an hostile army at his back.
Secondly, he was already in the westerlands and his plan was to ambush Tywin when he came back to defend his home. This would have worked if Edmure didn't hold the crossings. By slowing Tywin, he allowed the Tyrells to link up with his army and to focus on king's landing.
Tywin never ‘retreated’ from Harrenhal. He went back to kings landings to defend against stannis’ attack. He also left some of his army behind
@@bait5257 He came back to fight on black water bay that’s the opposite of a retreat. He also stayed because he had more influence as hand of the king than fighting on the battlefield. It showed too because he still won against the starks
@@bait5257 I never said Robb attacked BWB I was talking about Tywin? It is wrong to say he retreated because defending kings landing was more important than fighting robb on the battlefield. And, he already knew how he was going to beat robb without even meeting him on the battlefield (red wedding)
@@bait5257 that s just for the show version, in the books Casterly Rock is literally... a rock , so hard to take and after all the fighting in the previous seasons Frey men wouldn't make a difference
To be honest, its really not the most shocking thing in the books, when Jaime ends up at Harrenhall and speaks to Roose Bolton, you can tell Roose is planning something, and that he has completely lost faith in Robb, if he ever had any. The way that GRRM made it so shocking is because the chapter was rather uneventful, Catelyn was paranoid, but thats just Cat. Then boom!
Especially since he just let Jaime go back to Kings Landing, instead of keeping him hostage or sending him to the Starks.
And sending tallhart and lord Glover to duskendale in ACOK
When Roose lost a battle to Tywin and wasnt pursued by Tywins forces and then he gets married to a Frey at the same time you can tell something fishy is going on
Did you beat khabib in the wrestling match?
@@gabrieldnchf2822 lol fishy, because they are in the riverlands
The biggest clue of the red wedding was when Lord Ricard Karstark said to Robb "you lost this war the day you married her(Talisa Stark)"
Love is the death of duty.
@@hasyrilnurzahra3161 rip
@@hasyrilnurzahra3161 I think his problem was not marrying her, but being too merciful. He was not witty enough to secure treatises by good negotiations, nor ruthless enough to just make his enemies fear him.
@@thalesanastacio760 Well yes I agree with you, but you know that people make stupid decisions when they are in love, he lost the support from the Karstark and foolishly believed in Walker Fray. Maybe because he is young and too kind, but marrying her is still a mistake though.
@@hasyrilnurzahra3161 shame he was a right commander but the wrong king . If Jon and Rob were together Jon would have secured the negotiations and Rob would've done the battle strats
Maester Luwin :'(
We didn't see him die.
Quacky Moo pretty sure there was a later scene in episode 10 that functioned as a farewell scene.
Osha gave him a quick death as far as I remember. The way how they look at each other...
Quick death? He was stabbed wayyyyy before Osha and crew showed up
Exactly why he asked Osha to give him a quick death. He was stabbed and may not die right away which means he have to endure the pain before dying or worst get captured by the enemies. Osha gave him a much quicker death(the same way The Hound taught Arya)
clues and hints in the books the RW was gonna happen
1) Theon's grotesque nightmare of having a feast with dead people he knows like a headless Ned, Gored Bobby B and finally a Robb and Greywind coming in with stab wounds ( Happens in a Clash of Kings(
2) Roose actively keeps his own forces out of the fighting as much as possible , using other northern armies placed under him as fodder
3) Roose's weird reading habits at Harrenhal
4)Unlike the show would have you believe, not all the Freys are scum and were ok with the plan, notably Robb's squire Olyvar Frey that was forced to return to the Twins and for some reason was not at the Wedding. Edmures bride is also crying during the wedding ceremony.
5) Catelyn notes the musicians were awful, coz they weren't real musicians but actually crossbowmen
any more hints?
please be free to share
greywind barking at the freys when robb arrived at the twins, i think he bit one too
What reading habits of Roose are you talking about?
@@shahbazshaikh2884
In the book version, Arya cup bears for Roose under the guise of Nan. During one of the times she comes in to serve him, she finds him casting a huge book he had finished reading into the fire. He then orders Arya to leave the room. People speculated various tinfoil things such as the book had info that Roose wanted gone so he burnt it. Popular among them is that it was a book about the curse of harenhal or secrets about winterfell. Some of the more sane ones speculate tywin left coded messages for him in that book, another is that it was the book Ned and Jon Aryn used to prove their theory the Baratheon kids are bastards of Lannister stock. Regardless it's a character moment showing how easily Roose gets rid of things he finds had over stayed it's usefulness
The fact that Roose arrives at the wedding with Karstark men is a red flag
"keep your wolf by your side" - he doesn't. Can't remember who tells him, but it's like mystical advice.
I just realized something. At 1:20- Theon says that he stood on the battlements and saw that he was surrounded. So if that's the case, you would think he'd have seen the fucking Bolton flayed man banners and known who he was dealing with.
Ahaha true, I don't know how they'd explain that in the show. Probably by saying Ramsay didn't show any banners...
In the books however he does have his banner, and things go very differently. There are two armies in front of Winterfell: Winterfell's garrison led by Rodrik Cassel is back from Torrhen's Square and wants to take Winterfell back from the Greyjoy. Then Ramsay Bolton arrives in front of Winterfell, and goes towards Rodrik's men. They think the Bolton come as allies to help them against the Greyjoy... but the Bolton treacherously kill them all before they understand what's happening.
Then Theon think the Bolton are HIS allies, and opens the gates of Winterfell to Ramsay... who kills the Ironborn, burns everything and makes Theon prisoner.
Full story here: awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Sack_of_Winterfell
Euron Crow's Eye Yes I think given that Ramsay doesn't want the North to know he's a traitor and burned down Winterfell, he would have disguised his men in unremarkable clothes.
stuckupcurlyguy Agree! And that's also explained when he asked for only 20 brave men to attack Stannis's army, and leave them A Feast for Crows! He got a special Navy Seal unit or something like that. That Bastard!
Euron Crow's Eye if they weren't flying banners he could've just assumed it was a northern host loyal to the Starks,
I don't think Ramsay used the Bolton Banner, as he still was Ramsay Snow at the time and didn't have the name Bolton. Wild random guess...
Not really relevant to the show, but literally a chapter before the Red Wedding, Sandor - who at this point is in custody of Arya - says that "I'll get you to your uncle's bloody wedding"
Bloody Wedding...
Anyone?
The Random Mapper Good try
ProjectPlatinum What do you mean?
***** Who's wedding was it?
The Random Mapper in this case bloody is a swear word, and can only be seen as an irony intended by an author
Zayron Channel Not saying that Sandor intended it... but Martin's very good at putting in single words that foreshadow big scenes
Nice video, I would add also that the music being played during the wedding is pretty bad because they are in fact not musicians, but archers. In the books Catelyn notices it several times. I thought it was a nice touch in the show as well.
They are also playing "raines of castamire" which is the lanister theme
It's also a song about a massacre.
5:00
Roose Bolton, what a great guy. Kept his promise to Jaime and sent his regards.
A man of honor
A man of his words.
In the books, there's a lot more to indicate it, but it's more discreet. For instance, Roose Bolton sends Robett Glover and Ser Helman Tallhart to Duskendale with a third of the northmen foot. He knew Randyll Tarly was coming up to Maidenpool, and Gregor Clegane was driving up the kingsroad to cut them off. Bolton feigned ignorance and blamed Glover, but he knew it all along. There are tons of subtle hints in the books that the show never exposes.
In the books there's also Daenerys vision in the Undying House of a feast full of deads and a wolf king.. that was the most "obvious" and yet it took me the Red Wedding itself to notice
"It was a good speech, didn't want to interrupt" is one of the best lines, I laughed
God the show was so much better before Dany came to Westeros and it turned in action entirely.
That's what happens when you involve Dragons and thousands of Foreign Elite Soldiers in war against privileged jokes for soldiers.
It was unexpected because we as an audience are not used to the hero losing or being killed in such a manner. We think that because they're the good guy they're always going to make it out and everything is going to be fine. So even though the signs were there we more or less ignored them because we already have it in our head that Robb will be okay at the end of the day. THIS IS HOW YOU SUBVERT EXPECTATIONS
Also, the first "hero" of the show got his head lopped off at the end of S1, so you wouldn't expect the creators to pull the same stunt 2 seasons later.
That scene with Ramsy waking Theon by blowing the horn always cracks me up, the sudden cut to that scene and the angle of the shoot, its like i know it shouldnt be funny but it gets the shock value laugh and i think thats why i never made that connection between the horn blowing at winterfell and ramsy blowing the horn.....thats some high level editing :D
i feel so sad about maester luwin
Theon gets a bad rap. Dude was given up and traded to the enemy by his father - and then years later rejected by his father for the inevitable loss / change of identity. His betrayal of the Starks was driven by his quest for acceptance. He was more a victim than aggressor long before Ramsey got hold of him.
Explain that to the farm boys!
He straight-up murders, like, a dozen people. Mostly children.
I see what you did there ♥
Still a bad idea because Robb was gonna restore his house or new land once he defeated the Lannisters
bumtree your right.
You can't expect a man to betray his family for his captors.
The characters I hate more than Joffrey:
Roose Bolton
Ramsay Bolton
Walder Frey
I hate the hound.
@@thebutchersboy1138 why you hate such a great person?
@@aalishnhashmi7363 Because Hound rode him down
@@thebutchersboy1138 oh shit it took me 2 whole week to understand that.
@@aalishnhashmi7363 after he ran me down, his horse stunk of me for days..
When Varys and Tyrion are talking about bells before the Blackwater Varys says he hates them because they alarm horrible things like a kings death, enemies at the gates and Tyrion says “a wedding!”
I predicted the Red Wedding.
I think the most brilliantly subtle clue was Roose Bolton stabbing Rob. It shows that he's stabbing Rob. And then he says the Lannister's send their regards, which means, that the Lannister's are actually the good guys. Why else would they send regards to thier enemy?
*Their enemy.
@@wadewilson8011 Thanks for the lesson professor.
It’s sad that when roose died it’s because he was poisoned by his enemies
you just copied the top comment
Regards here is sarcasm means its their plotting
Nice, cant believe i did not notice that in season 2... thanks. Could have also included tywin writing letters of s3... those were THE letters to walder frey orcestrating the red wedding
Oh, you're right!! I had totally forgotten about them, but yes, it was another clue!! =) Thanks for reminding me!
I can't wait to make a similar vid' for what's gonna happen in season 4, hehe... :3
CDM3112 ill be sure to check it out if i missed anything :) anyways congrats to all..the time is almost here for s4... cant wait myself..looks incredibly good
CDM3112 or you could just read the books dumbass, they sum everything up a lot nicer than you do
Alyssa Williamson And if YOU were less stupid, you would have read the video description and know that 1/ this video is for people who haven't read the books, and 2/ I myself HAVE read the books, thank you very much. And you don't have to be rude.
the torture scenes with Ramsay and Theon always looked a bit like a crossover between a British comedy sketch and a horror movie
these are just clues to Ramsey's identity. Ramsey had nothing to do with the red wedding. Here are the real clues:
1. Robb's decision to send theon to Pyke was disastrous and cost him winterfell
2. Robb's decison to marry Talisa would piss off the freys
3. Robb killed Rickard Karstark, causing the Karstarks to leave
4. Cat's decision to release Jamie.
5. Roose letting Jamie Lannister go
Robb pissed off all his Bannermen. The Lannisters were clearly winning. Robb honestly had it comming
0:51 That's exactly what Roose did to Robb Stark
this is good for people who haven`t read the books cause in the show are a lot of things `missing` and if you dont pay attention sometimes it could get a little confusing...
Dang! I have seen all three seasons up till the beginning of 4 and I thought that the Ironborne sacked Winterfell. How did I not see that the horn blower was Ramsey?
Catelyn doomed Robb with her own strategic mistakes one after the other, and it all became quite clear to her only moments before she got killed...
Ironic how Catelyn hated Jon as a threat to her childrens' claim of Winterfell, but she lost them their claim herself through her bad advice and decisions like never doing those five things Ned told her to do.
And, in the show anyway, Jon was the one who took Winterfell back.
@@jfjvmdvbdcndkj no the knights of the vale did
@@likestroke2813 Jon Snow did all the dirty work. The Vale came in last minute and Sansa didn’t even tell Jon about them.
@@likestroke2813 no, Jon did. That entire battle was led by Jon and Ramsey. Ramsey lost. The Vale was just secret support that Jon didn't even know he had because Sansa refused to tell him for some reason.
Jon was the one who went around trying to build an army and ultimately led the attack on Winterfell
@@jfjvmdvbdcndkj honestly it was probably because she was hoping he'd die in the field there is no other explanation for it
this could of been such a rewatchable series... :'(
so jet fuel couldnt melt the steel beams of winterfell?
i think it was a inside job by the boltons *puts on foil hat and searches for triangles*
Good video, it puts together the sequence of events well. I have been trying to do that in my mind. All those conversations by Tyrion, Varys, Cersei, Littlefinger, and others are important for past, current, or potentially future events.
4:09 Proof that Ramsey was blowing the horn at Winterfell.
I just watched a lot of scenes but made no connection of them to the red wedding, how was any of this hinting at the wedding
+Boby Gandhi Watch it with annotations on.
+Boby Gandhi Alright. So if you remember Bolton told Rob that his bastard was going to Winterfell to capture Theon and bring him to Rob. Also remember during this time Rob's men were also looking for Jamie Lannister. Bolton's bastard captured Theon but never brought him back to Rob ( 1st hint of treason). Jamie is captured by Bolton's men and is taken to Harrenhal. Bolton treats him as a guest and sends him home, he doesnt even tell Rob that he had captured Jamie (HUGE sign of treason). And soon after is the red wedding.
+Boby Gandhi It was a hint because the Ironborn didn t burn Winterfell, it was Boltons bastard, the Boltons were already betraying Rob.
Time and time again Robb ignored his advisors, including Roose. Once he saw that Robb was on the downhill, he decided to further his own house and back a winner (Tywin)
+Boby Gandhi biggest hint was bolton to send jaime his home and jaime's saying to bolton that tell lord stark i am sorry for not being attend to the wedding.
good connections/clues, thanks for the vid ay. so many stories, plots, can miss sometimes miss some things
I'm glad you liked the video! :)
If you're interested, I also just posted this week a new video, about the plot surrounding Jon Arryn's murder, which is pretty complex. Warning for season 4 spoilers! ruclips.net/video/4MXZZd0YKsI/видео.html
CerseiDM Can we expect any more videos of this nature? I've subscribed to your channel but sadly you only have two GoT theory videos :(
TheA1ternative Thanks for subscribing! I post very few videos so I never thought people would ever actually subscribe. But I'm glad you liked my two videos so much :)
I haven't planned doing another similar explanation video for GoT in the near future, sorry!!! It doesn't mean I won't ever do others, but anyway not before next December that is certain (don't have the time, too many other projects!). After that I don't know ^^ I would need time and a good idea!
Very perceptive. A fantastic video. This is the artistry in the Game of Thrones narrative that I absolutely love.
what are your thoughts now?
Maester Luwin’s scream was the most heartbreaking thing in the show
Crazy how Robb ordered all of the iron born to be set free except theon but in the end they all died except theon
In the book, the whole thing had started when Roose Bolton was in close contact with Tywin Lannister.
When Robb married Jayne Westerling, Tywin had seen the oppurtunity.
Roose was in league with Tywin when he was holding Harrenhal, he sent Robett Glover and a good portion of Robb's loyal men to Duskendale, a few days march North of King's Landing, to plunder. And also into a trap that Glover was stupid enough to fall in.
After that, Robb had no choice but to go to Freys, he had seen no other way.
Theon is my favorite character in the books! He suffered enormous torment for crimes he did not commit. By the end he's completely broken both physically and mentally but still has enough courage to do the right thing under threat of being flayed alive(book readers will know what I'm talking about).
Are you trolling? He killed Ser Rodrik and two innocent children. He deserves all that punishment and more.
He gets fucked up
Do you know what really hinted at the Red Wedding? A Book called A Storm of Swords.
That makes no sense.
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It's just a joke that the ultimate spoiler of the series, or any series based on something else, is the source material.
You're the best at adding 2 and 2!
Can't wait to see your synopsis on whether or not the Halo series has something to do with ring-like structures!
I was quite frankly surprised there were people who didn't get that Theon was in the Dreadfort, personally I recognised the image of a man of a saltire cross rack from the Bolton Banner right away.
Lannister, Bolton, and Frey must all die. I love the Tyrion character though, the Starkes need vengeance, but of course a good show does the opposite of what people want to see or expect so I don't see Jon, Arya, or Sansa avenging anyone, not yet at least.
Well Arya already avenged some deaths (Lommy at the tavern, and she got a small revenge for Mycah the butcher's boy too). And Jon avenged Lord Mormont's death too (though it didn't happen in the books).
More revenge is coming, but not necessarily from the people you'd expect! ^^
CDM3112 Arya didn't get no fucking revenge... Just that one dude who was talking shit about sewing the direwolf on robb's head..
Cody James That dude wasn't the only one she killed. She also kills a guy at the "chicken" tavern, he's the one who had murdered her friend Lommy because he couldn't walk anymore, in season 2. And she left Sandor to suffer and die on his own, that's partly a revenge for her friend Mycah.
CDM3112 i know, but that has nothing to do with the red wedding or the boltons/freys
CDM3112 What the fuck is a Lommy?
wow that was five minutes of my life i'll never get back, least it was game of thrones clips
Why the junk did you watch it all if you didn't like it?
Kask Daxxe i guess i thought that the video would actually deliver something interesting, wasn't until the end that i realised how pointless it was
I thought it was quite interesting, it all added up anyway.
likeastarbaby nono, you could have figured out where this was going in 1-2 minutes. you don't deserve that five minutes
InfernalXpression whatever man lol i watched it and i didnt like it get over it
Well now I just feel stupid for not picking up on all that. I guess if this was irl I'd have a red wedding of my own.
The biggest hint was when he said 'My bastard'
'The wine will flow red' was said about 20 times as well...
The red wedding only went into planning after the battle of
The blackwater, when roose realised that Robb's defeat was inevitable. Ramsays actions at winterfell were part of his own plans
"Fool's blood. King's blood, blood on the maiden's thigh, but chains for the guests and chains for the bridegroom, aye, aye, aye." - Stannis's fool
What is blood on maidens thigh?
This is not only the reasons for the red wedding.
Roose Bolton received a letter to Harrenhal written by Tywin Lannister shortly before Jamie and Brienne were captured and brought back by Locke.
Tywin proposes to Roose to betray Robb Stark to become Governor of the North and also tells him that Walder Frey is ready to organize the banquet to assassinate the Stark and his armies because Robb did not keep his promise of marriage.
Roose Bolton knowing that his son had captured Theon Greyjoy and resumed Winterfell ended up accepted.
The red wedding could begin.
Pause at 4:28 : the Bolton sigil looks like it's blocking the way back through the Twins for the Starks... Prediction ?
Nice catch
Yeah, I think it was really well done in the show. The clues are actually all here, but unless you already know the story or watch each episode several times, you don't actually notice them. And I agree, this is the best book of the century
Notice how every time Roose would appear when Robb and Talisa were alone.
Suddenly this makes way more sense! Good video.
That one ironborn with the deep voice damn what a voice
Theon's betrayal was outright treacherous, but at least Roose followed Robb's orders to take back Winterfell, it was Ramsay who burned it down. Roose and most of his Bolton men fought and helped Robb win 3 battles in the war, it was when the fighting died down and getting distracted at Riverrun, cutting off allegiance with the Karstarks and needing to go back to the Twins to make amends proved too many poor decisions led to Robb's decline in the war. Roose's deal with Tywin and Walder was a literal backstabbing but he did fight with him and only turned on him when it looked like they weren't going to win anymore, so from Roose's point of view a smart move
Krisb BeatS Both betrayals are treacherous. Roose's was obviously much better thought out, but he's just as much of a piece of shit.
The only mistake Roose made was legitimizing Ramsay and keeping him around when fat Walda was pregnant. Roose would never meet Jon in an open field and just defend Winterfell untill Jon and the wildlings were dead. He could have kept the north if he didn't die by Ramsay's blade.
@@Jeppe_P well going by the show, it was highly unrealistic that any of jon snows army survived that altercation with ramsay. The eay they were trapped they would've been long dead before the knights of the vale arrived.
- Even though that is true, Roose was not one to risk a battle. He did not want to meet Stannis in the open either. When Ramsay chose to do it anyway, he did allow it. Pretty sure Jon’s army was bigger, so he would not take the risk with wildlings and a giant in the battle.
@@Jeppe_P Roose didn't have Hodor, so he can't protect the gate from a giant
Can't believe they killed the Maester just like that.
This is Really Amazing Thank for This Bro
Quite a few clues in the book; big one in the house of the undying
There is main clue in the book that Grey Wind wasn't happy with Robb entering Twins at all. he growled and tried to attack Freys. Robb should have been aware.
Well that "vision" was something that would happen, could happen or may not happen at all
I've read the books, so I'm pretty sure I know a lot about the Red Wedding thank you.
And all these scenes have tips: conversations, events, lies, sigils, horn blowing... some of the scenes do look random but they're not. For example, I've shown the cross with the flaid man from Bolton's sigil on Robb's strategy board, on Bolton's flag, and then the cross where Theon is tied. The clues were thin, but present: it could be guessed beforehand that the torturer was Bolton's bastard.
Those were the days. And then there is season 8. Completely killed the end.
Amazing, completely missed it. Seeing as Theon gets more airtime than in the books it may be explained more in season 4...
1:52 that scream will always be hilarious to me
A turning point of Theon's career
Da Lanisters send their regards..
Clue 1: Robb betrayed Walder Frey by Marring the Volantis girl (Jeyne Westerling in the books)
Clue 2: Walder Frey is a crazy hag
Clue 3: Roose Bolton is an ass.
Clue 4: A song of Ice and Fire has no happiness.
Thanks for the video, bro. All of this was not clearly to me yet, but now a lot make sense hahaha
Sudden reminder how not-over the red wedding I am
4:28 it's the sigil for the Boltons, not "a Northman"
A Bolton would have never been in my inner circle.
dude. this video is brilliant.
well, time to re-watch season 1 and 2.
"Why is it more noble to kill 10000 at war than a dozen at wedding ", whole story about red wedding in 10 words ...
They killed thousands tho 3500 all together
Rod should never have trusted the Boltons. He was the clear alternative so keep them close
From watching the show, I felt that Arya telling Tywin that "anybody can be killed" have a spark on his head about the Red Wedding
It's truly fucked how so much of this was caused because Theon didn't get his head ruffled enough by his Pop.
Love your kids. The ultimate message to take from GoT.
Yes it appears easier to see the betrayal when the scenes are shown all together like this, good for people who never read the books. From what I have learned from cannon Bolton actually had a good relationship with Ned Stark, I think after his execution Bolton started weighing his options. Robb's oath breaking, the execution of one of his major bannerman Rickard Karstark, and failing to hold on to Jamie were definitely the tipping points for him to side with the Lannisters.
I totally missed the Jamie “tell Robb I’m sorry I didn’t make his uncles wedding - the Lannisters send there regards”
It all makes sense now, thanks!
@ 2:13 the lesson that I learned is.... when you say "What is this? What are you doing???" You get stabbed in the gut with a spear! DONT get stabbed in the gut with a spear! Get rid of cable
Interesting, I was trying to figure out who burned winterfell. It wasn't until roose bolton sent jaime home when i went "wait.........wtf????"
Theon deserves everything Ramsay did to him
That hitting Theon is the funniest of all🤣🤣
Curious ...you'd wonder why Ramsay would burn winterfell when Bolton had been offered the position of warden of the North (seated in winterfell) but, I guess at this point, Rob might still have been able to use winterfell to fall back to and regroup.
I don't think Bolton had been contacted by Tywin yet. It's only because Robb lost Winterfell that everyone saw he was in a position of weakness, and thus Tywin made his move, and made the offer to Roose Bolton.
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Well, Tywin is stamping the letter to the Freys/Boltons during one of the scene when he's conversing with Cercei (where she's saying she could contribute more if he'd let her). When they receive it is anyone's guess.
Merely Correct I don't remember in which episode Tywin writes this letter, but since he's at King's Landing only after the Battle of Blackwater (s02e09), I guess this scene is in season 3.
Ramsay burned Winterfell in season 2 ;)
Honestly he probably just burned down Winterfell because he is a dick lol. I haven't read the books but I have read through many other people's comments else where that in the book Ramsey is pretty much causing havic throughout the North.
The show portrays him as being a big of an unknown, even when Peter meets him in the show during the current season, he tells him something along the lines of "I know everything about everyone but curiously I've never heard of you". And as I stated in the book Ramsey is being a dick all over the north, he takes some ladies castle forces her to marry him and proclaim him lord of said land, rapes her then then leaves her in a tower to starve and die.
So if you told me Ramsey burned down Winterfell without a motive, wouldn't suprise me. Kind of reminds me of Batman's joker a bit doesn't it?
Merely Correct Ramsay burned Winterfell because Ramsay does what Ramsay does. It's why Ramsay flays the 20 men that Theon was with, why he makes Theon into Reek when he could have used Theon as a bartering tool like Roose wanted, why he flays everyone at Deepwood Motte... In the books Ramsay also probably killed Roose's legitimate son. The dude really does just want to see the world burn, and he gets off on it.
Roose knows this which is why he is trying to get a real, legitimate son. But until then he needs Ramsay, no matter how bat-shit insane he is.
This just blew my fucking mind and also made me feel like an idiot for not seeing it before
thank you for putting this together.
3:02 Winterfell was an inside job