Robinson R44 Raven detailed helicopter review and flight
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
- Take a close look and flight in Robinson Aircraft Companies popular R44 Raven. A piston powered 4 seat helicopter
This is a long review so you can jump directly to topics by clicking on the times below
1:30 Running costs
4:50 Specifications
10:30 T-Bar cyclic
13:00 Instruments
18:35 Outside and storage
22:40 Startup and preflight
28:20 Flight
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I never felt more alive than when I took an intro flight instruction on the little R22. I love piloting fixed wing as well, but being in control of the helo just intensifies your thought processes to an unbelievably intense ecstatic experience. To paraphrase the old motorcyclist saying "To those who have experienced it no explanation is necessary. To those who haven't, no explanation is possible."
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People don't understand, you can't compare an aircraft engine to what you have in cars, aircraft engine design is written in blood. They have to produce their HP on a continual basis, your car engine might be capable of 300 HP but it doesn't have to produce that amount of HP very often. Aircraft engine manufacturers have found that the most reliable combination for aircraft piston engines is large cubic inch displacement with a continuous RPM of between 2 and 3 thousand.
Thank you. A car engine typically only has to output 5-30% of its max rated power most the time while driving around town and sitting at a certain speed on the highway, every now and then you'll mash the throttle in a car and ask for more power but most of the time there is very little strain on the engine. An aircraft engine on the other hand needs to be made so that you can use roughly 80% of its max rated power ALL THE TIME while operating. This means that everything about the engine changes, everything has to be larger and more durable and the service intervals need to be carefully respected.
WTF are you talking. Not all of us are living in sanction states. Take time visit Germany drive on autobahn and say to me you use your engine power just up to 50%. The dumb state laws prohibits people for using the cars power in most cases. You go to Germany and drive at night. You can use 90% of your cars power and drive it to maxsimum. The gasolin consumption it's only reason you dont top it of. I drive V8 twin turbo.
I wonder whay they did't use some V8 twin turbo dizel engine with 400-450 hp power.
The rpm limitations come from airplanes and their propeller tip speeds. I imagine if they had an engine that is smaller with more power, they’d use it...bit this helicopter is made with airplane engines...not the other way around.
You keep saying 'car engine' when you mean mission for a given ICE powerplant. Diesel engines are legendary for their long life especially when they are in continuous service like Prime Mover trucks and taxi fleet cabs. Aircraft Manufacturers are constrained by economies of scale not high displacement, low compression ratio, steady output. To move production from an air-cooled low compression petroleum power plant to newer tech, newer fuel paradigm, must entail re-tooling manufacture. New manufacture means new manufacturing plant, which means engineering, which means tooling, which means planning, which means forecasting and estimating in a market place heavily invested in now superceded tech stock inventory and legacy clients. This includes supply chain logistical guesstimates of uptake versus capital outlay which could be significant.
Outstanding! I'm learning to fly helicopters, myself, and have a whopping 3 hours of flight time in the R44. =). Keep up the great work with these vids, Nick.
Ya, words that rich people say.
@@OutrideMaro You just responded to a 4 year old comment
@@seb5708 and you just responded to 4 month old comment haha
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Hi Nick , You do a great job on these Vlogs . You explain the comprehensive subject matter clearly . I was a CH-46 crewchief in the military and Frank Robinson gave me my first job when i got out in 1989 . I was 1 of only 3 A&P mechanics and there was probably 40 people working there at that time and I was hired for the
Did you stay with Robinson, or go onto another aviation career?
I worked on the R44 prototype . There was only one in Torrance at that time. Half the time I was waiting around on the flight line . All I did was shoot blade tracks , adjust linkage and rig flight controls . The cabin originally had a sharper rectangular shape . Frank was definitely going for the executives to start carpooling with the R44 . Thanks for the vlogs
What is so great about your reviews Nick is that you aren't afraid to give a real opinion. I discontinued my aviation magazine subscriptions because the pilot reports were always so glorious no matter the aircraft type. Even if we might not agree with you, it is great to hear your honest opinion. I really appreciate this most.
Hi Nick. Great video! One thing: a carburetor doesn't compress the air, it's a venturi, that's how it sucks the fuel through the needle. When air passes through the venturi, it cools and speeds up (Bernoulli's principle). Carb ice forms because the air (along with the humidity in the air) cools as it passes through the carb's venturi, which is why you need carb heat as you descend, because air down low is warmer and contains more moisture, and the butterfly valve is partially closed during descent.
Barwin Great point, much better than I could explain
+Nick Murray Thanks for comparing aircraft piston engines to car piston engines. They really are 65 years behind in airplanes. Not to mention the magnetos, those are 85 years behind, came right off a tractor in the 30's. But still fun!
nothing added by your explanation comparatively, in most viewers opinion
Cool video Nick! It's interesting to hear about the engine. Never knew they had to certify engines for flight and whatnot. That's too bad that they can't improve easily but the reasons you give for keeping the old ones makes a lot of sense. Thanks for teaching me something new!
subaruwrxfan Thanks Matt, yes no EcoBoost in this baby!
Nick Murray What fuel does the r44 run on?
@@santinojozefmiller7721 high octane leaded gasoline. Basically like car but with lead additive for more stable combustion and higher compression (fuel used in the middle of 20 ct)
What's interesting to me is that the economics driving the situation are kind of the opposite to those driving the development of engines for airliners. For piston engines in light aircraft, makers aren't willing to take the risk of developing a new, highly efficient engine because of the cost to certify it and the risk that people won't be willing to adopt the product. For airliners, on the other hand, because fuel efficiency is such a critical factor in airline profitability, makers of airliner engines have continually invested huge amounts of effort and money in developing newer, more efficient turbofans.
@@colindhowell big market vs small market. On small market they keep producing expensive to design but old machines.
G'day Nick,
Fellow Heli pilot here.
Thank you for taking the time to put this together!
Blue skies and happy landings,
/Daniel from Denmark
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Dude, I did not know you do aircraft reviews! This channel just got 5x better for me right now.
Didn't mean to be negative with the comment.Love your videos. It's cool to see flights from ther perspective of someone flying a particular machine for the first time.
I just wanted to say I have loved all your helicopter videos, The R44, MD500, Bell 206 etc
I am totally late to this party but just had to say that this is the exact ship I'm training in for my commercial pilots license right now! Cool to see it featured in this video.
Thank you so much for this review. My son and I took our first helicopter ride last Friday while on vacation in LA. It was a Robinson R44 and it was brilliant and I remembered watching you review this a while back. Needless to say we had an epic time. Thanks for all your reviews (mostly the 911 stuff) but if you can, keep up with the Helicopter stuff as well. BTW we flew over the Porsche Race Track just off the 405 north of Long beach. I would of gone there as well but we were off to the Petersen Automotive Museum which was also great.
Thanks Nick!
Nick you rock !!! super complete details ! Im a pilot and never heard a single instructor explaining so well!!
I'm not sure if it's been mentioned, as I have not read all the comments, but one major contributing factor for the seemingly low horsepower of these machines is the fact that the engine is quite severely de-rated in its power output. This is done to increase reliability, as the engine is never pushed to its maximum power output. This further allows the engines to be for used longer without an overhaul. Thanks for the cool chopper videos Nick.
Im transitioning to instrument flight now, flew the R44 for my first time today...LOVED IT!
Fantastic video Nick. Thank you for taking the trouble to make it. The soundtrack, the various camera angles, and the excellent edit makes the video technically perfect.
The review itself is awesome, considering how much theoretic information you provide about Robinson technology and aeronautics, that are later shown practically when you begin flying in the video. I have subscribed and will be following you. Wish you many more such wonderful reviews and safe flights.
3:13 amazing shot. Don't listen to haters who have 0 review vids. Your doing great!
Great video, thank you! One small correction: at 30:03, you say that you need more right pedal in order to compensate for more "power" (i.e. pitch in the main rotor). If I recall correctly, the power pedal on a Robinson (or Bell) is the left pedal. Perhaps you were thinking of the Eurocopter/Airbus, which does indeed have a right power pedal (because the main rotor rotates the other direction)? Cheers!
you speak so elegantly and you can see the and love, passion and knowledge you have for aircrafts. so impressive man keep it up
Nick, you should go ahead and petition Dos Equis for the TV commercial spots. Truly the most interesting man on youtube.
Love these videos, Nick. Keep it up they're so appreciated. I personally cannot wait for the MD500 review. I hope you get a chance for stick time on that beast when you do review it; what an icon!
MD520N (NoTar) review would be also cool. Loved the OH-6 Hughes 500 B (prior to MD buy-out) as we had in 1970-72 very little rt seat time compared to UH1-H but what stood out in the 500 loved it's responsiveness and superb agility. , . Would love to feel the pedal difference. Claim a slight lag time, much less than Cyclic as I'm told first hand. Ya all, keep your "rotor in the green"
Great helicopter reviews. I re-watch many every day. Your commentary is very informative. Great camera detail. Thanks and more like these please!
Really enjoying the gen av videos, Nick. I used to fly a lot with my dad. Mostly twin Cessnas and eventually Citations for a couple of years before he developed a medical condition that kept him out of the air. Some of my happiest times with my dad were in the right seat, and these videos really take me back. Fantastically produced and filmed as well.
I always wished he was more into helicopters, but for sales calls planes made more sense. Such a wonderful thing to move freely in every direction though. Please fly safe and keep a keen eye out for fixed wing traffic, ya'll are often hard to spot when maneuvering at low altitude. We had a really close run-in with a Robinson once on a five-mile final. Within 1,500 feet we estimated (close enough for everyone involved), he was climbing at full collective - just popped up right in front of us. ATC warned at the last minute but we couldn't see over the nose until the very last second. Full bank and dropped a few thousand feet to clear the traffic. Never a good feeling when you keep telling them no joy and the distance keeps getting shorter. Heck of a rush though!
Anyway, suffice to say I'm enjoying and appreciate the content.
GadgetsNGear Thanks for the comment and feedback. Working hard to make these better
I highly recommend running the R-44 on unleaded premium automotive fuel. With the addition of the commonly available STC, the R-44 can be operated on unleaded 91 octane with no penalty for reliability or safety. In fact, the FAA agrees that the use of unleaded fuel in an appropriately STC'd is exactly as safe as running AV-GAS. I have been running helicopters on unleaded since 2011 with no problems including the R-44, R-22, and S269.
I thought naively (car guy not heli) that such a large engine with low horsepower would have very low compression and wouldn't need the higher octane, but when you are dealing with such costly vehicles I imagine most people will play it safe and go with avgas.
I truly appreciate the presentations. I plan to receive the R 22/44 training as soon as I can. You have made my day! Keep up the good work. I look forward to your intro to the Heuy and the MD 5001. My tow loves
I am about to take my first lesson and it will be in an R-44 (because I'm too tall and heavy for an R-22). Thank you so much for this video - it is most appreciated.
Awesome video. Very accurate! The first time I flew a Robinson, it too did the pendulum sway and was VERY touchy on the controls. Thank goodness my instructor was right there!
Nice review Nick, thanks for publishing. Only one comment (about carb heater): when air becomes compressed, it is heated up, not cooled down… Cooling of air happens when compressed air expands, like other gases (ref. to refrigerators or air conditioning).
Jack I to love piloting fix wing! I was blessed I was able to get training through the Military and I had awesome CFIs! David Huffman I will be forever in your debt and my admiration of your kindness and patience I will never forget!! Don Corbin who started me on fix wing and moved me on - I prayed I would meet his expectations as well as he taught me to think ahead and plan for any contingency!! One time I got in horrific turbulence and I prayed God would take me and a calmness came over me and I’m still here. Training and practice gives you the confidence. David Huffman who took me through several rotary wing aircraft I’m in awe of how comfortable you made me feel. I was totally Blessed in my Training and Thank You for the use of your tax Dollars to train a pilot! Life’s depended on our abilities which I endeavored to be the best. Fact, God Blessed me with the best instruction and awesome people to teach me to fly!!! I still love it!!! I like what you said Jack - to those who have experienced it no explanation is necessary.... To those who haven’t no explanation is possible!
Hi Nick, I have been following you for a few month's now, tomorrow, Sunday, march 1st, i will have Three hours in the R22, Thanks Nick for the inspiration.........K
The lead in the fuelnis not for hardened valve seats but to resuce the chance of detonation as these air cooled engines can operat up to 250 degrees, while a liquid cooled engine typically operates around 100 degrees.
Great review Nick! I've had the privilege of flying an intro course in an R44 an it is truly a remarkable aircraft. We were flying in (what I felt was) a very windy condition, and it just wants to fly. And your landing looked great. Remember a good landing is one you can walk away from!
'a successful landing'. My diploma says: 'did successfully land'. Big difference but keep learning.
Correction, Nick is inputting left pedal when more power is applied as Robinson helicopters are counter clockwise rotation.
I have no idea how I got to this video but I'm really high and this has to be the most informative awesome review I've ever seen. Top quality!
+Penishooft Thanks working hard to improve my videos
The key is you want a very reliable, low stress engine.
This is a great video of the r44 with lots of info that you don't get from many others I've seen, I had my first lesson today in an r22 Robinson and looking forward to the next one now, the helicopter was so responsive with minimal input to change direction it's gonna be a long journey but have a massive love of the chopper and your videos are very interesting. Thanks 👍🏻
I've always been more of a fixed wing type of guy but I'm starting to open up to helicopters more and more
What a great job you did on this video Nick. Tying history, technical, opinion and hands-on flying together in a logical manner, is what really makes this a compelling presentation to listen to and I think is your best helicopter presentation yet. It would make an excellent intro and primer for anyone who is contemplating learning to fly on this Robinson. Thanks' for sharing it with us!
Thanks for this comment. I appreciate the feedback
Thank you for explaining everything to people that like me that were really looking for a detailed explanation of this heli
Thanks for the lesson on the helicopter and everything involved. One day I will own a helicopter. Hopefully my businesses will be profitable and I can afford my very own helicopter
Are you sure it's right pedal? I trained in a Cabri G2 and we used right pedal for power pedal, the Robinson's spin in the opposite direction therefore it would require the left pedal no? Just wanting to clarify as I hear you saying "right pedal" as you pull power. I enjoyed the video though, very informative.
Super fun video.
Especially since I just left Clearwater after living there six years.
Nice to see you disclosing the sponsorship too, but now I'm wishing I'd taken the time to learn how to fly a helicopter while I was there.
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Great review I really enjoyed it. Thanks for all the research you put into it !!
Right now Robinson has a Diesel engine in the works. It similar to the engine that was certified for the Cessna. Hopefully they can get it certified without issues.
I had a ride in a raven 2 and it was a bucket list item, we where up for an hour and a half great fun
Found you're channel, about 5 days ago, love it.
Like the info given before every flight etc, thanks :) (air vs car engine is indded intrersting to compare)
+Lain Kojima Thanks Lain, working hard to improve the aviation side of the channel
Looking forward to more helicopter reviews. Can't wait for the 500 & Huey!
As an avid fixed wing guy I love the details in your vids..... You sir earned a sub :)
Nick, A very nice presentation on the R44. Great job.
I am a non pilot, but come from a pilot family. My buddy a mega qualified Helicopter Instructor let me take the controls (R-22) during straight and level flight at 4000. I did fine But OMG the controls were insanely touchy to me. My Buddy instructed me to just “think” of what I wanted to do and the R-22 would respond... so damn true I was terrified
You’re “reviews” are fantastic. You should call them lessons or something because you include so much information . Cheers man (I hate the t-bar too).
Bob was my first CFI- AirOcean... Great guys.
Another one of your marvelous reviews. Great job, thanks.
Nice review, thanks. Personally I find the T-bar to be a great innovation. Ever seen a non-heli person trying to get seated in a conventional cab with two cyclics? They have their knees up by their ears, and are kicking the cyclic trying to get past it.
I think the Robinson helicopters look good. They look like a stretched teardrop.
Iv just never liked the idea of the T stick
My dad flies R44s and 22s.
They are awesome little choppers!
Correction: Air heats up when compressed. It cools when pressure is reduced.
Carb icing is caused by air temperature dropping below 32 degrees F when the Venturi effect reduces air pressure in the carburetor, freezing and accumulating incoming water vapor.
Great review Nick. Really great to get the detailed stuff. Many years ago I read Robert Masons book Chickenhawk which was amazingly detailed as to how choppers fly. Explanation of carb icing took me back to when I had an old car that had a manual winter/summer carb setting... and it'd ice up on the desert road...
Thank you for your lessons, they help me to have a awesome perspective of how is it to fly on a helicopter.
I would like to do that as a job.
That would be a great blessing !!
Thank you and have a blessed day !!
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Great video Nick. very informative. I like when all the details are given. Any chance to one day compare this to the Turbine powered R66?
Nick, you do the best helo reviews on the net!
the reason for the t bar is to keep the controls basic , that's why it is so reliable.. not much to go wrong in terms of cable and hydraulic piping
I didn't know these machines were capable of cutting off the tail boom with the main rotor until I saw one falling from the sky with the boom and tail rotor following.
Awesome video! Had me cracking up at 19:32, glad William moved his ass over LOL!
Absolutely loved the info and overall review. Thank you very much and I'm very happy I stumbled upon this video.
Nick is a fantasti c educator I wish him well with his venture wich is very high quality .
Well do e! Darn tablet
This video is in reverse. The blade rotation is going clockwise but these helicopters rotate counter clockwise.
Great review - it’s great to get the knowledge on how it works to fly
Love these chopper reviews...best on the net. Keep 'em coming Nick....
Thanks for the review and flight. I recently did a vlog in one of these over a city. Great to see the inner workings.
Our Raven II out here in NorCal costs $585/hr to rent... vs $265/hr for our 22. Great heli video as usual, btw.
+R. Powell Jumping Jesus that is expensive, I hope there is a stripper in the back seat for that price : ) The R22 price is nice however!
How safe is it?
Its all about the torque , wind opposes lot of resistance so torque will be more important than horsepower
A bit late to the party, but I really enjoyed this review, Nick.
Nice streamlining on the edit, and I liked the data dump at the beginning with the simplified in-flight over-dub.
The best thing I can say is it felt like a 10 minute vid with very little fat. Much like the passengers need to be ;)
TheJohn8765 Thanks, worked hard to make this a better video
Valuable , informative and impartial info foe a potential buyer ..many Thanks
This review was very informative. I appreciate the level of detail used. Though I may never buy a helicopter I do plan to learn how to fly them. Awesome video.
Hi Nick, fascinating machines. Great to see how you fly them and the mechanical side of things.
Excellent review Nick, I really enjoyed it.
GRACIAS HERMOSA EXPERIENCIA ..... IN MY COUNTRY no hay muchos Robinson ..
I really like your videos but, please get some assistance with audio match between GoPro and aircraft. I wasn't a big fan of your channel to start with but, due to my love of aviation (Private Pilot fixed wing) and since I have a great fascination with Helicopters (flown 700mm RC Helis for 9 years), I kept watching your channel when you posted aviation related material. Your channel grew on me and I finally subscribed!
Just discovered your channel. Admire the passionate charisma you borrow to your work. Loved your 930 test/review and, being an air cooled 911 fan, could you make a review of a 964 C4 or 993 C4 ? Thanks and keep your great work 😊👍
Another excellent review Nick !
Well done Nick. I think I found my new passion.
styling of this aircraft looks so 70's. Would be nice of the industry to give us some updated helicopter designs since 2020 is around the corner.
My dream helicopter
Excellent review. Really appreciate the detail you put in to this one. I'll have to get a rotorcraft rating one day!
My next helicopter will definitely be this one
I like the steam gauges and led warning lights. Seems more reliable. I don't know how often glass panel components fail though. Never used them. Am I way off?
It's not just a matter of certification, the engine must be able to produce that amount of power at a max of 2700 rpm (fixed wing rough numbers), and it's a normally aspirated one also! And btw, it must be tough enough and a lot less "pushed" than one in a car (whose break down would be only annoying and not life threatening!)
I love these aviation reviews. Keep it up!
I'm a total noob on helicopters... but this videos certainly show how this machines work. I'm almost tempted to get some training :)
Great review Nick, thank you very much for this. I am just considering to enter into 1/2 ownership and your video helped a lot in facing my decision.
I love that machine. Thanks for sharing.
Yes Boddy, you can say, it`s a bicycle Frame !
BOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One of the very best in the industry!
Awesome video! I like your helicopter reviews. I would like to see a review of the Robinson R66. Keep doing what your doing!
Totally stunning review. Well done sir!
Nick, I'm surprised you being from New Zealand that you would even sit in one of " those". 💀🔥
A tip of a bowling pin might actually make a better cup holder than those two depressions :)