I got my private single engine VFR in 1976, it cost me a little under $2,000. Using a Cessna 150 ($15 / hr. ). The instructor was $12 / hr. A 172 was $22 / hr. A Ramco champ (Old cloth wing, tail dragger) cost was only $12 / hr. I learn how to fly a T-34 Beechcraft (old Navy trainer, retractable, variable pitch prop, around 220 knots) at $40 / hr. I was 16 at the time just working in a restaurant bussing tables. It took me close to a year to get my VFR.
@@matthew-oc5oe Bro didn't buy the helicopter, he rented it per his hourly figures. Big difference. 16 yr olds today could do the same thing. It costs 10x as much, but they probably make 10x as much as Larry did.
Ater paying for all our life's expenses we have about $1000 per month left over. Thats with no children and only one kitty. We are relatively well off in terms of vehicles, and toys, but lower income for the area. Most apartments nearby are $3000+ per month and more like $4000 when you pay for parking and utilities. Paying $25,000 to get a pilots license eats up more than 2 years of our monthly income surplus or fudge room in our budget, but what if one of the cars needs a repair? I save and invest the extra we save to multiply the earnings a little bit faster than inflation eats away the value of the currency (USD2024 or Dollars)
I think the proper definition would have been ‘it’s a sandbar’. Years when I flew out of Creve Couer and Spirit, a bunch of the Cub pilots used to fly the Missouri and land on the sandbars.
Spent around 15,000 hours in turbine helicopters. The cost was astronomical. Back in the 80’s we factored in $350,000 a year for maintenance and operation. (search and rescue choppers take a beating). That’s 1980s money. We burned through 2 Hughes 500s and 3 Bell long rangers in a decade.
@@MajorCaliber Ha! When I began flying, 1986, the Bell 206 was the trainer. Not as many opportunities in my area to train in turbine aircraft. Many R44's around here for training
I know nothing about helicopters and you couldn't pay me to ever fly in one but the engineering to make one fly is amazing and your presentation was to the point and gave me a great appreciation on the subject, thanks !!
I am just a private pilot fixed wing. Cessna 150 then 172 currently 182 . I would more than likely kill myself in a helicopter, they are too unforgiving when mistakes are made. But my hats off to you and your Helicopter fly high Sir
Great video, just a few things you forgot to mention is that with Robinson, it’s 2200hrs OR 12 years. Meaning you can buy new. Fly 100 hours over 12 years and now your basically brand new helicopter needs a complete overhaul. And that any $60000 R22 will either be timed out or nearly timed out. That said you are right in that it is still the cheapest certified helicopter. Cheers man stay safe
Over the years, I’ve had the opportunity to shoot video and still photography from the R22, Hughes 300 and Bell 47. I loved them all, particularly the Bell. But then as a fixed wing pilot I’m enamored with anything that flies, regardless of whether the wings are fixed or spin. What types of commercial work do you do?
Most likely family money. Not trying to say he's spoiled, but if he bought this with only his earned money before becoming a pilot, then I don't think he'll be changing careers I can tell you that if he's making that much money. Edit: So I found out the helicopter is owned by Time Kepp with "Sky River Helicopters" which is a helicopter tour company. I'm guessing it's being leased right now but that's TBD.
We use to use R22 for detailed lidar flights for topography. Now we have drones. Although our drones cost more, better end product using an iPad. Actual flight time was much better though.
In Europe and in the UK prices are higher to own one of them. And R22 takes just one passenger so they are great for training but not much for commercial use. Then you need the R44 that costs more. I also considered buying one but I find Porsches more fun still and more usable fun.
First, I love watching your videos. Hamburger in a helicopter. Retiring school resource officer... in a helicopter. Cruising for a bruising... in a helicopter. Pretty cool. Depending on where you are, time-building can be challenging. Often a lifestyle change (that means "pack your stuff up and move") is more economical and easier than purchasing a helicopter. But hey. I love your videos. They remind me of a dream I once had. Keep living the dream! Ehud FAA Commercial pilot - rotorcraft Tucson, Arizona (Yes, in the summer DA is 5000-7000ft)
Just for people that would like to know. If you want to get both Privet Pilot License (PPL) for airplane (Fixed Wing) and Helicopter (Rotor Wing) then get the airplane first because it can help cut combined cost because 20 hours of your fixed wing counts toward your rotor wing.
Thank you for posting and kudos to you for trusting such thin tubing. It obviously works given how many are out there, but as a Bell Medium guy, you'd never convince me to ride in one. Regardless, respect to "one of us"!❤
Easily get there on that particular sandbar with a Supercub and many other airplanes. That being said, I appreciate your video. I'm interested in adding a rotorwing aircraft and license to my fleet and certificates.
I owned one of the early R22s when they cost $90k plus and you flew it home from California. Insurance was $10k per year with a $10k deductible. I learned in a Bell47d, a very stable platform. The R22 is much harder to fly and much harder to do autorotations in. Little boys, little toys. It was fun when I was doing it but you aren’t going far in an R22. Nice video.
One such thing interesting to make a note “view” . Glad you got one for yourself & Appreciate your work to inspire to have one though.God bless you 😇🙏🏻
I wanted to learn here in the uk prices are much higher and not doable for me unless i sold my house and lived in the heli lol. Had a trial lesson though and loved it. But in reality i get my kicks from motorcycles, embt and drone racing and enjoy life. If i ever come into serious money though i know id be getting into a heli.
To the person who said: that is a rich man's toy. We all have toys. If your unflinching goal in life is to be the pilot in command of your own helicopter, you will find a way to make it happen. You will even find people who want to help you.
It depends if you’re operating within controlled airspace. If you’re in uncontrolled airspace it is good practice to make periodic calls on the local area frequency. Usually this includes aircraft callsign, location, altitude, track and destination.
Don't forget about composite-fx/mosquitos! They are FAA regulated helicopters. Only caveat is that they only seat one person. Cool people, made in Trenton, Florida!
It's actually a lot cheaper than i thought tbh. Pretty cool that it's possible to do this if you're motivated and interested enough. Price of watching Matty do it on RUclips: free. 😎
Private pilot with about ~80ish hours in Robinsons (mix of 22 and 44 but mostly 22 time). Thanks for the breakdown, looks more or less close to what I have been seeing here in NC. Rather than going with a 22 I am considering buying a 44 and renting it to our school so it makes some money while I am not flying it and it doubles as a time builder for when I am. I love flying the 22, it's what I usually fly due to how cheap it is per hour compared to the 44 but I would love to buy a used 44 and see if I can get to 1000 hours with it without breaking the bank. How many hours do you have left on that R22 before it needs a major overhaul? Just curious. It's a sweet bird and looks in mint condition. Cheers from Raleigh, NC!
So... at current prices for trucks, cars, SUV's... the 60k-100k range is normal/reasonable. Then maintenance,cost per ownership year... VERY reasonable especially if you're getting work returns commercially or even privately. Thanks for the share!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$ out of my league for sure!!! Enjoy - you obviously work very hard for that experience. That's a boat load of money to just fly around and see things from the air. Now if you are fishing from that sand bar then you could call it an expensive boat.
I've always heard that inflation wasn't so bad in the helicopter market... Not nearly as bad as in, say, the *hot air balloon market*? I'll see myself out.
Without getting too personal, are you independently wealthy? I'm 50 and recently took a check ride in a 22. I was planning on doing the same.thing and getting my private pilots license. It was fun and I would love to do it and could justify the costof getting my license, but I'm prob too old to try it to make a career out of it and the cost Is prohibitive to get the recommended hours before any company would hire you. You have youth on your side.... .My son wants to fly helos, so he is going to go to college thru ROTC and try to go thru Army Avation route. Good luck and happy flying. At least we can live vicariously thru you😅
Honestly inshurance is deal breaker. But assuming that all of inshurances all together went sky rocketing then hopefully prices will went down a bit. Other that is actually not expensive if you can buy yourself a nice piece up until 100k
I took lessons out of St. Charles Flying School when I was a teenager. Never finished when the money ran out, but was right at the solo point. I wish I could have continued. I guess at 55 now it’s never too late. Maybe…
dang how are yall so rich i earn $10,000 a year delivering food. I wish they had flying for regular people. They should make one where its not about money.
I got my private single engine VFR in 1976, it cost me a little under $2,000. Using a Cessna 150 ($15 / hr. ). The instructor was $12 / hr.
A 172 was $22 / hr.
A Ramco champ (Old cloth wing, tail dragger) cost was only $12 / hr.
I learn how to fly a T-34 Beechcraft (old Navy trainer, retractable, variable pitch prop, around 220 knots)
at $40 / hr.
I was 16 at the time just working in a restaurant bussing tables. It took me close to a year to get my VFR.
Yup nowadays the economy is so bad
Bro bought a helicopter at 16 bussing tables and kids these days can’t even afford rent 💀
@@matthew-oc5oe Bro didn't buy the helicopter, he rented it per his hourly figures. Big difference. 16 yr olds today could do the same thing. It costs 10x as much, but they probably make 10x as much as Larry did.
Try 100x as much. Kids can't afford it unless they saved for 5 years assuming they can save 20k a year which likely isn't possible.
Ater paying for all our life's expenses we have about $1000 per month left over. Thats with no children and only one kitty. We are relatively well off in terms of vehicles, and toys, but lower income for the area. Most apartments nearby are $3000+ per month and more like $4000 when you pay for parking and utilities. Paying $25,000 to get a pilots license eats up more than 2 years of our monthly income surplus or fudge room in our budget, but what if one of the cars needs a repair? I save and invest the extra we save to multiply the earnings a little bit faster than inflation eats away the value of the currency (USD2024 or Dollars)
As small as the helicopter is, it's still a lot of money
That's a rich man's game. But it looks like a tone of fun.
Goid sibg working 9 too 5 working day nit Gering any ware
"I'm on an island surrounded by water"
Isn't that kinda the definition of an island? 😆
That's like "worlds smallest in the world" haha
You could be in Iceland and be on an island surrounded by lava 😮
I think the proper definition would have been ‘it’s a sandbar’. Years when I flew out of Creve Couer and Spirit, a bunch of the Cub pilots used to fly the Missouri and land on the sandbars.
Spent around 15,000 hours in turbine helicopters. The cost was astronomical. Back in the 80’s we factored in $350,000 a year for maintenance and operation. (search and rescue choppers take a beating). That’s 1980s money. We burned through 2 Hughes 500s and 3 Bell long rangers in a decade.
Im so glad i was directed to your channel a few months ago. Enjoy both you and your content. Thanks.
Enjoyed watching video. From one Robinson owner to the other. Be careful and always respect the helicopter. Fly safe and enjoy!
Friends don't let friends fly Robinsons! #SafetyRecord #GetA_Bo105
@@MajorCaliber Ha! When I began flying, 1986, the Bell 206 was the trainer. Not as many opportunities in my area to train in turbine aircraft. Many R44's around here for training
49% of all accidents and 54% of fatal helicopter accudents. Some organisations will not allow staff to fly in robinson
Thanks for sharing! Very interesting!
Glad you enjoyed!
I know nothing about helicopters and you couldn't pay me to ever fly in one but the engineering to make one fly is amazing and your presentation was to the point and gave me a great appreciation on the subject, thanks !!
I'm a retired Army 64 pilot. Flown thousands of hours and didn't die once!
Yup, you know nothing about flying.
I am just a private pilot fixed wing. Cessna 150 then 172 currently 182 . I would more than likely kill myself in a helicopter, they are too unforgiving when mistakes are made. But my hats off to you and your Helicopter fly high Sir
I could absolutely plant my bone stock Cessna 150 on that sand bar lol
And there it would stay forever.
Great video, just a few things you forgot to mention is that with Robinson, it’s 2200hrs OR 12 years. Meaning you can buy new. Fly 100 hours over 12 years and now your basically brand new helicopter needs a complete overhaul. And that any $60000 R22 will either be timed out or nearly timed out. That said you are right in that it is still the cheapest certified helicopter. Cheers man stay safe
Exactly! I also did the math....
Thanks for the detail
How much is an overhaul, assuming 2200 hours and using his depreciation rate of $63 that comes out to $138,600...is that correct? Holy cow
@@camaro6810 According to the Robinson website… $207,000 base price not including upgrades for the r22 overhaul.
Over the years, I’ve had the opportunity to shoot video and still photography from the R22, Hughes 300 and Bell 47. I loved them all, particularly the Bell. But then as a fixed wing pilot I’m enamored with anything that flies, regardless of whether the wings are fixed or spin. What types of commercial work do you do?
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What type of job do you have to pay for all this?
I am a pilot. I bought the helicopter to build time for my career.
@@mattylp8 well, i think you misunderstood. They are asking what you did to afford your helicopter, private pilots license, etc. 😊
ikr, he certainly isn't taking out student loans. i guess i'll just have to stick to microsoft flight simulator.
Most likely family money. Not trying to say he's spoiled, but if he bought this with only his earned money before becoming a pilot, then I don't think he'll be changing careers I can tell you that if he's making that much money.
Edit: So I found out the helicopter is owned by Time Kepp with "Sky River Helicopters" which is a helicopter tour company. I'm guessing it's being leased right now but that's TBD.
@@NorthAviation_he just said he’s a pilot. That’s his job
This is a great video. No BS.
We use to use R22 for detailed lidar flights for topography. Now we have drones. Although our drones cost more, better end product using an iPad. Actual flight time was much better though.
Looks like fun and it's an expensive venture, totally enjoyable video, thank you!
In Europe and in the UK prices are higher to own one of them. And R22 takes just one passenger so they are great for training but not much for commercial use. Then you need the R44 that costs more. I also considered buying one but I find Porsches more fun still and more usable fun.
On aircraft24 I found R22 even at $60k , what is the catch?
@@jirrovemost likely needs a rebuild
Outstanding vids, watched a few other pilots vids online but watching yours renewed my interest big time 👍
First, I love watching your videos. Hamburger in a helicopter. Retiring school resource officer... in a helicopter. Cruising for a bruising... in a helicopter. Pretty cool.
Depending on where you are, time-building can be challenging. Often a lifestyle change (that means "pack your stuff up and move") is more economical and easier than purchasing a helicopter.
But hey. I love your videos. They remind me of a dream I once had. Keep living the dream!
Ehud
FAA Commercial pilot - rotorcraft
Tucson, Arizona
(Yes, in the summer DA is 5000-7000ft)
"I'm on an island that's surrounded by.... water"
Yep, that's an island! :)
Just for people that would like to know. If you want to get both Privet Pilot License (PPL) for airplane (Fixed Wing) and Helicopter (Rotor Wing) then get the airplane first because it can help cut combined cost because 20 hours of your fixed wing counts toward your rotor wing.
Never owned a 'copter but owned a Cessna Cardinal RG and can confidently say that whatever you think an airplane will cost, it is more.
Thank you for posting and kudos to you for trusting such thin tubing.
It obviously works given how many are out there, but as a Bell Medium guy, you'd never convince me to ride in one.
Regardless, respect to "one of us"!❤
Easily get there on that particular sandbar with a Supercub and many other airplanes. That being said, I appreciate your video. I'm interested in adding a rotorwing aircraft and license to my fleet and certificates.
I owned one of the early R22s when they cost $90k plus and you flew it home from California. Insurance was $10k per year with a $10k deductible. I learned in a Bell47d, a very stable platform. The R22 is much harder to fly and much harder to do autorotations in. Little boys, little toys. It was fun when I was doing it but you aren’t going far in an R22. Nice video.
30% BMI boomer detected 😂
@@helicopter2992 meow
Good video! Keep up the work
Thanks Ducky!
I just found your channel. This is so cool! I appreciate all that you are explaining to us. 🚁
"Only a helicopter can land here" Mike patey takes note and accepts the challenge lol
Yeah, I was thinking that there are lots of bush planes that could stick that landing.
One such thing interesting to make a note “view” . Glad you got one for yourself & Appreciate your work to inspire to have one though.God bless you 😇🙏🏻
I wanted to learn here in the uk prices are much higher and not doable for me unless i sold my house and lived in the heli lol.
Had a trial lesson though and loved it.
But in reality i get my kicks from motorcycles, embt and drone racing and enjoy life.
If i ever come into serious money though i know id be getting into a heli.
To the person who said: that is a rich man's toy.
We all have toys. If your unflinching goal in life is to be the pilot in command of your own helicopter, you will find a way to make it happen. You will even find people who want to help you.
how much communication with atc do you need if you take off from your house and land at some random place like an island like you showed?
It depends if you’re operating within controlled airspace. If you’re in uncontrolled airspace it is good practice to make periodic calls on the local area frequency. Usually this includes aircraft callsign, location, altitude, track and destination.
An airplane can absolutely land on that island. Watch some videos of them doing it all over the US - especially Alaska. It's very cool.
The Cost of Owning a Helicopter: If you have to ask, you can't afford one.
The helicopter is man's most God-like invention.
Next to his Mate. 😂
Great video!
Thanks Brad!
Bird strikes a concern in that ? Great video.
Geeze,that thing would be hell to crash lol but I'd imagine going down in any chopper would be terrible.
You can absolutely land a paramotor on that little island.
Landing is half of it....can you get back in the air. Sand is risky.
Amazing video matt would love to see more videos from you
About to use my GI BILL. Thank you for making this. This is the chopper I want buy first also. Great video
Just love the sound of those rotor blades...!!!!!
Thanks! Super informative
Disconnect the Hobbs meter to save on depreciation…use Chevron high octane gas at $3.50 gallon…
Don't forget about composite-fx/mosquitos! They are FAA regulated helicopters. Only caveat is that they only seat one person. Cool people, made in Trenton, Florida!
It's actually a lot cheaper than i thought tbh. Pretty cool that it's possible to do this if you're motivated and interested enough.
Price of watching Matty do it on RUclips: free. 😎
short and to the point. i like it
I have a question, if I owned a huge chunk of land, could I buy a helicopter and don't get a license as long as I don't leave my property?
You can in its an ultra light classification and youre flying in class G airspace. (This information is relevant for the United states only)
Great video and sweet heli. Enjoy!
2:07 and now you got a shield 😂😂
I fly a tiny Cessna fixed wing. when I was a kid, I dreamed of flying a Helicopter, but as an adult, vortex ring state scares the hell out of me.
Would’ve loved to have a few seconds of island tone while you were there. No talking, no engine, just the sound of nature
Did you complete your fixed wing first ?
Private pilot with about ~80ish hours in Robinsons (mix of 22 and 44 but mostly 22 time). Thanks for the breakdown, looks more or less close to what I have been seeing here in NC. Rather than going with a 22 I am considering buying a 44 and renting it to our school so it makes some money while I am not flying it and it doubles as a time builder for when I am. I love flying the 22, it's what I usually fly due to how cheap it is per hour compared to the 44 but I would love to buy a used 44 and see if I can get to 1000 hours with it without breaking the bank.
How many hours do you have left on that R22 before it needs a major overhaul? Just curious. It's a sweet bird and looks in mint condition. Cheers from Raleigh, NC!
I know of a few! Message me on Instagram!
Thanks for the video! People talk about how expensive it is to own a horse or a boat. Try a plane. A relative has a Cessna 172.
How about the Hughes 269 or Schweizer 300, those seem smaller than the R22.
Both are bigger(I believe)
So... at current prices for trucks, cars, SUV's... the 60k-100k range is normal/reasonable. Then maintenance,cost per ownership year... VERY reasonable especially if you're getting work returns commercially or even privately. Thanks for the share!
This is one of the most interesting and informative video I've seen for a good while. Way, way out of my price range, unfortunately.
A 60,000 R22 would have run out times LOL
My sister worked at Robinson in Torrance for years.
Some of the testing they did was crazy for the FAA
I was having flashbacks seeing Smart Field and my Grampa's farm.
Getting a helicopter license here in the Netherlands is a minimum of 40k (6 months, 45 h min)
See Jack Holiday in Old Bali Beach Island , like Modif Helicopter in area Mandalika
$$$$$$$$$$$$$ out of my league for sure!!! Enjoy - you obviously work very hard for that experience. That's a boat load of money to just fly around and see things from the air. Now if you are fishing from that sand bar then you could call it an expensive boat.
Right away , it's obvious the cost is far beyond what the average person can afford.
Keep up the great work i love your videos
I've always heard that inflation wasn't so bad in the helicopter market... Not nearly as bad as in, say, the *hot air balloon market*?
I'll see myself out.
Kobe pilot learned how to fly on the R22
Without getting too personal, are you independently wealthy? I'm 50 and recently took a check ride in a 22. I was planning on doing the same.thing and getting my private pilots license. It was fun and I would love to do it and could justify the costof getting my license, but I'm prob too old to try it to make a career out of it and the cost Is prohibitive to get the recommended hours before any company would hire you.
You have youth on your side.... .My son wants to fly helos, so he is going to go to college thru ROTC and try to go thru Army Avation route. Good luck and happy flying. At least we can live vicariously thru you😅
Honestly inshurance is deal breaker. But assuming that all of inshurances all together went sky rocketing then hopefully prices will went down a bit. Other that is actually not expensive if you can buy yourself a nice piece up until 100k
Going to a remote place and chill is fun untill the engine not start.. trust me
I like how you said you could explain the price range being almost $300k then never did lol.
this is nice to know...
New Sub! I took a Ride in a R22 years ago. SUPER FUN and COOL! And it ain't cheap....
Cost is your life. Joking aside, you seem a quite competent pilot.
Thanks for the know. Guess I'll stick to my ol Ford beater
You forgot about autogyro doing most all same much easier to get certified for and cheeper
do you fear mast bump in this whirlybird?
The one thing I learnt from this video is I'll never be able to afford a helicopter or a licence😅
Can you put a parachute on it?
Yep....your on an island.....hope you don't break down or have any maintenance issues!
Everything you need to get a pizza or see a movie! 😂
How do you move the helicopter to the hanger?. I assume you can't just lift it.
I could chill in my backyard for free😂
I took lessons out of St. Charles Flying School when I was a teenager. Never finished when the money ran out, but was right at the solo point. I wish I could have continued. I guess at 55 now it’s never too late. Maybe…
You committed a severe vocabularic error..... you used cheap and aviation in the same sentence 😉😄
who is the guy with the experimental craft that only required a drivers license to fly?
dang how are yall so rich i earn $10,000 a year delivering food. I wish they had flying for regular people. They should make one where its not about money.
I think the licence should half cheaper, seems like a basic thing all should know how to do 😛
Comment of the day..." I'm on an island surrounded by water"
2:02 But loads of Jet Rangers have no a/c.
4:11 Private Pilot *certificate* That's a big error!
How do they know you got more time flying do you record yourself every time?
Well with the cost of having a helicopter, I am stuck watching Mattylp videos.
You did know. The R22 can only carry one Passenger , and not 2 Passengers...
Excellent video. Thanks
Great video! Do you fly other types?
Hey my man don’t forget about sea planes. They can get there also 😂
Halicopter paylaşım için teşekkürler efendim 🎁🙋🌹
awesome video...