@@68lonewolf-moser I cannot quantify the gains but it's substantial. I feel like I lost a bit of torque off the line but redlining at 7400RPM is super fun. The third gen coyote already moved as a stock truck but with the stage 3 it's really something. Better have sticky tires, mine chirps the wheels at 65MPH into 3rd gear
The function of the less cam lift in the gen 4 is to bring the peak torque down to a lower rpm, it was getting a little too high for the 3rd gen. I think Ford did a good job. The 4th gen makes both more power and torque and achieves that torque at a lower RPM. My guess is Ford gave the VCT more adjustment like the gen 1 engines again so they can get both the torque and the horsepower on the new design.
Also have found the 21+ 5.0 has a larger throttle body (87mm vs 80mm) on the 18-20 and the newer version has larger ports in the intake manifold. Your assessment seems correct, the 4th gen motor flows better on the intake side to make up that top end with the lower lift cams.
I have the 1st gen Coyote. Another note is the 1st gen is the only truck engine to keep the firing order the same as the mustang. i have mine tuned for E85, using HP tuners. The unique exhaust note is why i am keeping my 2013. I read that the firing order is from the original flat head V8 used in the early days of moonshine running. The engine that could out run the revenuers. So far with 219,+++ miles mine shows no sign of wearing out. I will be putting the 18 manifold along with Cold Air in 2025. Already have 2.5 inch exhaust, straight pipes with 2 glass packs, out the back, true duels, into 4 inch cannons tips. sound is amazing. ruclips.net/video/hIq76-Vx_ik/видео.html
Ken, can you do me a solid and post the graph showing the stock ported manifold vs. The ported GT manifold. I just picked up a new 23' and might be back in for tuning soon as the experience I had with you on my 13' was amazing. I'm just debating on using a stock ported manifold due to towing.
I'm in the same boat. I'm wondering if the truck will lose drivability at low rpm. Also, will it downshift more on the highway with the 18 gt manifold?
Thank you!. For towing combination, would stock manifold, long tube headers with exhaust, Cai, and tune be worth the squeeze or use the 18+ manifold with that combination? Maybe a video too if possible for dyno number or even hypothetical numbers. Thanks.
Awesome video Ken, will your adapters also work on the cobra jet intake manifold? Also, have you done any testing with that particular intake manifold?
Im really curious, would 1500-2500 rpm tq. Loss be an issue with the 18 gt intake? As in, would the truck downshift more on the highway with the.2018 gt intake?
Like to see this test on a 21 gt because that gt350 with bullit throttle body and cam profile wayyy out performs the stock or ported 18 manifold on the street.
Even though the engines are pretty much the same (same block, heads, rotating assembly, valvetrain minus the cams. They both run a 12:1 CR) between the GEN3 Coyote in the F150 and Mustang, there are some differences that seem to make them mod differently. For some reason that noone seems to know the answer as to why Ford gave the GEN3 Coyotes in the F150 and Mustang a different firing order. This is why they use different cams. Supposedly the specs on the different cams are very similar, but the cams are different due to the different firing order. The other two main differences other than manifolds are that the 15+ F150 with the Coyote is a factory flex fuel vehicle, where Mustang is not, and 18+ F150 with Coyote uses Speed Density, where Mustang uses MAF. (20+ GT500 is also SD) The GEN3 Coyote F150's are very nitpicky about the TB. The 87MM Bullitt TB is generally not recommended for them due to being very hard to get a streetable tune with. The only TB other than the stock 80MM that gets recommended for a GEN3 Coyote F150 is a 90MM one that BBK makes. Otherwise most tuners just recommend staying with the stock TB. I can only assume that running an OEM 87MM Bullitt TB being an issue with the F150 Coyote trucks is due to them being SD instead of MAF, but IDK for sure.
Hey A.F. I appreciate your support on BAP. I have many upgrades. Cai H&C charge pipes C-pe intercooler Turbo smart bov 28-21 spring . 73mm bbk throttle body. Cold plugs. Granetilli coils Mishimoto radiator . 170 degree thermostat. Spd downpipes with adapters. 4” Mbrp single side exhaust. 6r80 thermostat delete. Full-Race transmission cooler 20 row. 2.5L Snow Methanol injection with #8 nozzle. 5star & MPT tuning using MVIP-2 tuner. Your videos have been very helpful though out my journey. CRP- stage 4 with BD Diesel manifold. February, brings back the question I have? Will it be advantageous to install now before turbo upgrade??? Help My brother!!!
They are MAP. You will need to make a modification on the rear of the intake to use the OEM MAP sensor. Check out our video on installing a GT intake on a 21+ truck here. ruclips.net/video/W2FyeVjwcig/видео.html
So does the 18+ GT manifold still need adapters to fit a 22 F150? If so, is there a difference between the heads on the F150 vs mustang? Also, did this have anything else done to the truck (exhaust?). I too am waiting for a whipple after the warranty is over, but I wouldn't mind throwing a few hundred bucks on an intake... that being said, spending 800 bucks on adapters kinda kills that IMO... might as well put that money towards the blower/longtubes/etc...
Yes, the 21-23's need the adapters for a 18+ GT intake to fit. The bolt holes don't line up and the heads are different because of the F150's cylinder deactivation. Our SP Machining adapters are about half the cost compared to another company with better quality and it is a more complete kit. Just a MBRP catback was on the truck at that time when this video was shot. We now have a Whipple 😊.
I’m being told by some idiot that with a GT intake manifold, you lose torque and dude swears up and down he’s right. I don’t know what kind of bum ass tune he’s using but it looks a whole lot to me that this truck gained roughly 20 ft lbs of torque and a bunch of top end hp compared to the stock tune and manifold. I just bought a Gen 3 GT manifold for my Gen 3 Coyote F150 and can’t wait for this. Glad to see hard evidence that the torque isn’t tanking.
After watching this I'm def not interested in a intake manifold upgrade. These trucks cant afford anymore torque loss. They are sluggish enough as it is down low.. peak hp is not their problem.
My 2022 platinum with 3.73s and the Oz tune feels more powerful than it should down low. More than a 6.2 Chevy engine to give you an idea. My wife’s 2021 has a 3.31 ratio in her f150 and it does feel like it has less torque down low. But that truck is stock and the gears don’t help down low either.
All the 5.0 guys always bashing the 2.7 guys. The 2.7 with just 91 octane makes just as much hp and way more torque than the 5.0 on E85. On the E85 tune the 2.7 makes waaayyyy more! Around 470+whp and over 540+wtq 😂
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Those adapters made the boss runners really longer than they already are
Very informative video.
Keep up the good work.
Would love to see you you do a video of the gains made with Long Tube headers on E-85
Would love to see this test on a 2019 F150 to compare cam profile results.
Badass video. Still very happy with my 18'+ manifold on my 19' F150. Good to see it's still a great upgrade on the 21* trucks. #TX#TEAMSUPERCREW 🤟
Hey brother I just got this, what kinds of gains did you see? Thank you & Bless up 🙏
Yeah, curious how much gains did you get on that 19
@@68lonewolf-moser I cannot quantify the gains but it's substantial. I feel like I lost a bit of torque off the line but redlining at 7400RPM is super fun. The third gen coyote already moved as a stock truck but with the stage 3 it's really something. Better have sticky tires, mine chirps the wheels at 65MPH into 3rd gear
So about this "torque loss", how did totally stock tune, on e85, compare to ported gt IM. Especially in torque.
As always great testing from a great tuner
On the fence about swapping intakes in my 2020 f150 5.0. Wish yall could do a video of gen 3 intake shootout.
The function of the less cam lift in the gen 4 is to bring the peak torque down to a lower rpm, it was getting a little too high for the 3rd gen. I think Ford did a good job. The 4th gen makes both more power and torque and achieves that torque at a lower RPM. My guess is Ford gave the VCT more adjustment like the gen 1 engines again so they can get both the torque and the horsepower on the new design.
Also have found the 21+ 5.0 has a larger throttle body (87mm vs 80mm) on the 18-20 and the newer version has larger ports in the intake manifold. Your assessment seems correct, the 4th gen motor flows better on the intake side to make up that top end with the lower lift cams.
I have the 1st gen Coyote. Another note is the 1st gen is the only truck engine to keep the firing order the same as the mustang. i have mine tuned for E85, using HP tuners. The unique exhaust note is why i am keeping my 2013. I read that the firing order is from the original flat head V8 used in the early days of moonshine running. The engine that could out run the revenuers. So far with 219,+++ miles mine shows no sign of wearing out. I will be putting the 18 manifold along with Cold Air in 2025. Already have 2.5 inch exhaust, straight pipes with 2 glass packs, out the back, true duels, into 4 inch cannons tips. sound is amazing. ruclips.net/video/hIq76-Vx_ik/видео.html
@@jamesm2464only the Mach 1 and bullits have 87mm throttle bodies because they use the gt350 intake manifold and air intake
All 2021+ F-150 have 87 mm throttle bodies so you are incorrect
@@jamesm2464 yeah maybe f150s which Im not familiar with but not mustangs
Ken, can you do me a solid and post the graph showing the stock ported manifold vs. The ported GT manifold. I just picked up a new 23' and might be back in for tuning soon as the experience I had with you on my 13' was amazing. I'm just debating on using a stock ported manifold due to towing.
I'm in the same boat. I'm wondering if the truck will lose drivability at low rpm. Also, will it downshift more on the highway with the 18 gt manifold?
Can anyone thats done the 18+ gt manifold swap tell me how the truck tows compared to the stock truck manifold?
Thank you!. For towing combination, would stock manifold, long tube headers with exhaust, Cai, and tune be worth the squeeze or use the 18+ manifold with that combination? Maybe a video too if possible for dyno number or even hypothetical numbers. Thanks.
for towing stick with the stock manifold it’s better if your trying to race get a gt manifold
Is the JLT intake and stock intake the only ones that fit with adapters? My S&B did not work with manifold
When will the adaptors be available? i want to swap the 21+ gt manifold on my 21 F150
Should be within a few weeks hopefully.
@@oztuned will I need updated tuning if I add the 21 manifold? Or will the omega tune compensate for it? Also plan on adding long tubes.
@@Jthompson7775 you will need a tune update for both.
You guys ever get a strange rattle noise at 3300 rpm?
Yeah, I guess this is normal. Mine goes away once the cars warmed.
Awesome video Ken, will your adapters also work on the cobra jet intake manifold? Also, have you done any testing with that particular intake manifold?
Can you swap cams on the gen 4 from the gen 3?
Would a 2019 GT manifold fit on a 2019 f150? How do I know what manifold will fit my truck
I’d love to see this test done on the 18-20 f150’s. The gen 3 is the NA king when it comes to the 5.0
i think the gen 3 coyotes benefit the most with a bos 302 intake
@ I’m hoping that’s the case man. I just got a ported boss manifold and ported bbk 90mm throttle body from air flow solutions.
Im really curious, would 1500-2500 rpm tq. Loss be an issue with the 18 gt intake? As in, would the truck downshift more on the highway with the.2018 gt intake?
great info
Was this on e85 or just regular pump gas
You either didn't watch the video, or you missed that part. Which one was it, boy?
Like to see this test on a 21 gt because that gt350 with bullit throttle body and cam profile wayyy out performs the stock or ported 18 manifold on the street.
Even though the engines are pretty much the same (same block, heads, rotating assembly, valvetrain minus the cams. They both run a 12:1 CR) between the GEN3 Coyote in the F150 and Mustang, there are some differences that seem to make them mod differently. For some reason that noone seems to know the answer as to why Ford gave the GEN3 Coyotes in the F150 and Mustang a different firing order. This is why they use different cams. Supposedly the specs on the different cams are very similar, but the cams are different due to the different firing order. The other two main differences other than manifolds are that the 15+ F150 with the Coyote is a factory flex fuel vehicle, where Mustang is not, and 18+ F150 with Coyote uses Speed Density, where Mustang uses MAF. (20+ GT500 is also SD) The GEN3 Coyote F150's are very nitpicky about the TB. The 87MM Bullitt TB is generally not recommended for them due to being very hard to get a streetable tune with. The only TB other than the stock 80MM that gets recommended for a GEN3 Coyote F150 is a 90MM one that BBK makes. Otherwise most tuners just recommend staying with the stock TB. I can only assume that running an OEM 87MM Bullitt TB being an issue with the F150 Coyote trucks is due to them being SD instead of MAF, but IDK for sure.
So if my truck doesnt have the cylinder shutdown feature do they still have the same cams as the 2018+?
What trucks don't have cylinder deactivation?
Do you still need to buy the adapter plates for a 21+ gt manifold ?
Yes, the 18+ and 21+ GT intakes are the same except for the tops being different colors.
all motor labs mods the manifolds so you won’t need an adapter
Great video! When are you bringing back the project delta ranger?
Safe to assume my '23 Tremor 5.0 has the reduced cams since it also has the cylinder deactivation? Or is that confirmed for the '24 Gen 4 engine only?
Yes. 21+
Hey A.F.
I appreciate your support on BAP.
I have many upgrades.
Cai
H&C charge pipes
C-pe intercooler
Turbo smart bov 28-21 spring .
73mm bbk throttle body.
Cold plugs.
Granetilli coils
Mishimoto radiator .
170 degree thermostat.
Spd downpipes with adapters.
4” Mbrp single side exhaust.
6r80 thermostat delete.
Full-Race transmission cooler 20 row.
2.5L Snow Methanol injection with #8 nozzle.
5star & MPT tuning using MVIP-2 tuner.
Your videos have been very helpful though out my journey.
CRP- stage 4 with BD Diesel manifold.
February, brings back the question I have?
Will it be advantageous to install now before turbo upgrade???
Help My brother!!!
Ken, i did the jlt cai and the pcv valve hose had to be stretched to reach the intake tube, how did yalls look?
Cut the ends off the hard line and replace the hard line with a piece of fuel resistant hose.
@KenOs1109 10-4 thank you
Do you still have functioning imrc?
21+ trucks do not have IMRC's, so lockouts are required when installing an 18+ GT or GT350 intake.
You said the GT was plug and play, are the 21+ F150s mass air? Or what did you do with the MAP sensor?
They are MAP. You will need to make a modification on the rear of the intake to use the OEM MAP sensor. Check out our video on installing a GT intake on a 21+ truck here. ruclips.net/video/W2FyeVjwcig/видео.html
So does the 18+ GT manifold still need adapters to fit a 22 F150? If so, is there a difference between the heads on the F150 vs mustang? Also, did this have anything else done to the truck (exhaust?). I too am waiting for a whipple after the warranty is over, but I wouldn't mind throwing a few hundred bucks on an intake... that being said, spending 800 bucks on adapters kinda kills that IMO... might as well put that money towards the blower/longtubes/etc...
Yes, the 21-23's need the adapters for a 18+ GT intake to fit. The bolt holes don't line up and the heads are different because of the F150's cylinder deactivation. Our SP Machining adapters are about half the cost compared to another company with better quality and it is a more complete kit.
Just a MBRP catback was on the truck at that time when this video was shot. We now have a Whipple 😊.
@oztuned where can I get the adapter ???
@@frankloewen9249 on our website and here is the link oztuning.com/product/spmc-18gt-adapter-kit/
You do not need adapters, little but of trimming & itll fit , just installed my gt350 with no adapters
@@StockishhF150trimming on what specifically? Thinking of swapping the same manifold but don’t want to deal with adapters
Are these adaptors available?
Yes. We are going to be running a pre-sale starting tomorrow and they should be shipping by the end of April 2023.
Me with a boss manifold 😢
Well.. scratch off the Boss Intake for me after seeing this
Not a good choice unless you are running turbo or procharger
So if you race from the dig, keep your stock manifold. If you race on the highway, GT manifold would be better. All how YOU race.
I’m being told by some idiot that with a GT intake manifold, you lose torque and dude swears up and down he’s right. I don’t know what kind of bum ass tune he’s using but it looks a whole lot to me that this truck gained roughly 20 ft lbs of torque and a bunch of top end hp compared to the stock tune and manifold. I just bought a Gen 3 GT manifold for my Gen 3 Coyote F150 and can’t wait for this. Glad to see hard evidence that the torque isn’t tanking.
After watching this I'm def not interested in a intake manifold upgrade. These trucks cant afford anymore torque loss. They are sluggish enough as it is down low.. peak hp is not their problem.
My 2022 platinum with 3.73s and the Oz tune feels more powerful than it should down low. More than a 6.2 Chevy engine to give you an idea.
My wife’s 2021 has a 3.31 ratio in her f150 and it does feel like it has less torque down low. But that truck is stock and the gears don’t help down low either.
Pretty disappointing.. I should have kept my 18.
They’re quick. I’ve seen stock 21+ reg cab hit a 12.79, they were in the 11s with just an intake swap/tune, no headers
All the 5.0 guys always bashing the 2.7 guys. The 2.7 with just 91 octane makes just as much hp and way more torque than the 5.0 on E85. On the E85 tune the 2.7 makes waaayyyy more! Around 470+whp and over 540+wtq 😂
You can put a supercharger on the 5.0 and make 1000 whp. Not doing that with the 2.7
😂 2.7 also has 2 turbos, last I remember with 2 turbos the 5.0 makes 1000+ easy
Ecoboost are cool to lease. U can't reliably make powerpast just a tune. Big power u need 5.0
Its the turbos
yeah i ain’t driving no truck with a lawn mower engine in it.