People give him so much credit for winning a game, coming back, after throwing 4 picks in the first half. It’s good for him. But it’s an arsonist putting out a fire he started.
@@baydawg he was an mvp candidate before getting hurt last year in week 11. the oline has been ranked 31st the past two years. now going on a 3rd. riddle me that.
@JeezyKeen that isn’t the comeback you think it is. If the Oline has been terrible for two seasons, then it’s not really a factor. He was an MVP candidate behind a trash Oline, and now he’s a bottom 5 QB behind a trash Oline. That means the problem is something else
@JSalonsky Idk firefighter kinda implies you’re putting out other people’s fires, and you’re never the problem yourself. Like I’d call Tom Brady a firefighter cuz he would put out all the dumpster fires that bill caused, especially in roster construction
Every team in the NFL wants to have at least a Top 10 QB, but the problem is that only 10 teams can have one. Most teams are going to have to make it work with mediocre or subpar quarterback play, that's just the way it is. The NFL is too reliant on quarterbacks now, as if there aren't 10 other players on the offense. Too many teams are neglecting the offensive line and investing too heavily in skill positions. Busts are probably going to become more common. I have a feeling the owners will wise up and stop paying these quarterbacks and go back to a solid run game to open up the passing game, and reliable defense to win games. It wont be sexy, but thats real football...this isnt Madden.
See, the way I see it is we're going to be seeing less in the middle and more extremes. Every QB is either going to be a top 10 guy depending on their situation or they're gonna stink. I could even argue that's where we are already. There's no Tannehils, there's no Flaccos, there's no Alex Smith, you've either got an MVP candidate or you have someone who stinks for the most part. Like, on a stacked roster with a great coordinator, Trevor Lawrence would probably not look too bad. But he'd basically be 2019 Jimmy G. To me, it's a result of what the general consensus has appeared to declare the most effective tactic available for roster building: get a good QB on a rookie deal and stack the deck. You don't let a QB go from rough, to mid, to all pro anymore. Rookies start right right away
100 per cent correct. Playing quarterback at a high level in the NFL is hard, really, really hard. At this point success for an NFL team is almost totally dependant on finding the right quarterback.
This is a great point, Washington is doing the opposite with Jayden Daniels right now, instead of loading up on receivers, they added some players on the Oline which is leading to a solid run game, and Jayden is thriving, they will add receivers eventually, but they are laying down the foundation, which is the trenches
It’s confirmation bias. The media has played a role in propping up TLaw and none of them won’t admit it but he was living off the hype of his freshman year and what he accomplished. If you look at his next 2 years after, he progressively got worse but again.. confirmation bias. No one wanted to be wrong about Trevor but.. they were and it’s okay to just say “we got that one wrong you guys.”
Yes, as a Bama fan i've been saying that for years. Lawrence built his rep almost entirely off that game vs Bama as a freshman where he gave Saban the worst loss he had at Bama. He never played that well vs elite competition for the rest of his college career and he was known for making reckless throws from time to time. That has continued in the NFL.
It's strange with Lawrence as most had no issue with declaring QBs such as Mac Jones and Bryce Young as being total busts. Yet for some reason, they kept pumping Lawrence up as some generational QB until now. I get the fact that he's better than either of those two, and that he has shown flashes of being an elite QB, but for the most part he's just a middling QB.
I just always wanted him to be average because of his awful fake personality and the disgusting way in which he brings religion into everything. That said they always prop up one QB as the clear #1 of a draft and are almost always wrong.
All of your QBs have been total garbage from bama. It's why you guys are an utter joke. They have horses out there but the QB can be some random homeless guy. @@neneshubby
@@jsm530 That’s not true, number one and number 2 I’ll let you in on a little secret. MOST college quarterbacks don’t become NFL stars because playing quarterback at a high level is really, really hard. Quick! Name the last great quarterback from Ohio State. Clemson?Texas? USC? Florida? Michigan, other than Tom Brady? Get the point. Most great quarterbacks don’t come from great programs. Mahomes is from Texas Tech. Aaron Rodgers is from Cal. Josh Allen is from Wyoming. Lamar Jackson is from Louisville so I’m not sure what you’re cherry picking out Bama quarterbacks for because most college quarterbacks struggle in the NFL. That’s the norm, not the exception.
@@aem870 not really, Trevor's the only one who's been underwhelming tbh. Here are the "generational" players recently: Lebron, McDavid and Crosby, Peyton and Luck, Bryce Harper. These uber-prospects have tended to pay off, they're all HoF'ers (Luck was on his way). Just saying.
@aem870 I never thought Lawrence was generational talent tbh. His rookie season in college was his best one, then he regressed. And he never did that great when under pressure.
@@Brian-qg8vu LeBron didn't play pro football, I'm on about pro-football players. I was thinking of Caleb Williams and Trevor Lawrence. Williams is still new though so maybe they'll figure things out.
He’s never been comfortable being a pocket guy he’s not accurate and he doesn’t read defenses very well but the biggest issue he’s been figured out you have a good year you have good games but what makes guys like Mahomes great once the NFL figures you out can you continue to be great I also question is Lawrence heart in it to be great
I REALLY miss Mike and Mike in the Morning It was a time in my life ESPN radio would get me through my entire day of work and college I miss 2008 ESPN radio for real
Trevor Lawrence is without a doubt the most overrated quarterback in the NFL he got paid more than Patrick Mahomes and has the same salary as Joe Burrow and Jordan love two infinitely better quarterbacks and he is atrocious if they lose one more game the Jaguars are going to be firing Doug Pederson
When press taylor ultimately gets fired hopefully that cancer never gets another job in the nfl ever again. never seen one man single handily destroy a team as much as press Taylor has done to the jaguars.
I’ll never understand why college football scouts evaluate QBs so high that throw to wide open receivers 90% of their school careers. It was extremely rare that I saw Trevor make tight window throws in college.
The thing is, he always has made great and insane throws. He shows flashes of greatness, heck even some throws from this abysmal game were good. As a jags fan, I don't think he is bad. Maybe inconsistent, probably mid, but he has undeniable talent.
The guy was a stud in college, was ready for the NFL as a freshman in college that’s how good he was, but the problem is these number one and number two draft picks. Always end up on garbage teams as a reward for doing great things in college which is sad. Jacksonville has been a trash organization since Coach Coughlin got fired back in the day. The owner doesn’t know what he’s doing, and the coaches he brings in suck, the poor kid is throwing to bums, and the offensive line sucks, I didn’t agree with the big contract, but it’s delusional to think one guy at 26 years of age is going to fix their problems and take them to the promise land.
Trevor Lawrence only threw more INTs than touchdowns his rookie year. His second and third sesson he wasn't the Jaguars problem. This season he has 9 TDs to 3 INTs despite being on pace to throw for less than 4000 yards.
Oh yeah ? Yo u scared bro I bet you won’t come to Prussia and say that. I’ll literally meet u anywhere bro. Yugoslavia, Soviet Union, Ottoman Empire, Nebraska, wherever bro. U AINT ABOUT THIS LIFE
@@hawk0187ify WRs too. These guys throw tantrums so they can get traded from winning teams to losing teams, sign a massive deal as if theyre "the guy" now, then complain or just flat out refuse to play until they get traded again to a decent team. They're really taking the term "diva receiver" to a new level...
I'd like to see Bryce get traded to Miami and be a wildcat offense sensation along with Tua. Think Derek Carr/Taysom Hill but younger and more athletic. Tua can take fewer, more quality snaps and Bryce doesn't have the pressure to throw the long ball over tall defenders.
Wrong, he needs to fix the fumbling issue and this team needs to learn how to run the dam ball. Its not that complicated. He has a coach that doesn't know anything about defense nor how to fix it, and simply refuses to run the football
Jags fan here, this season has been one of the most confusing starts ever. After a fumble on the 1 yard line against Miami to potentially go up 17 on them, we’ve collapsed, and no one is trying to save what’s left of this team. It’s almost comical.
Bro the 1st half against Miami is the fluke! Thus team sucks and were lead by the prince of suck himself! Lawrence has never been good in the NFL...there has just been stretches where he hasn't been horrible!
@@Jesters7264 Trevor Lawrence is definitely overrated. QBs get pampered way too much when they aren't playing well. Lawrence got paid a massive contract. In Year 4 with that type of money a QB is expected to uplift the franchise and make the rest of his teammates better. Football is a team sport but I'm tired of QBs getting credit when they win and no blame when they lose
Nobody really talks about it for some reason, but the year they made the playoffs Doug Peterson called plays. It just so happened that when Doug stopped calling plays, Trevor fell off a cliff. The question I don’t understand, is why dough Peterson is okay with not calling plays while watching this offense, because he will get fired.
@@BensonMTG I’m an eagles fan always felt bad for how he got fired. I don’t pay much attention to Jaguars news, but I remember him saying he wanted to stop calling plays to focus more on the game when coaching after the year he made the playoffs. Good coach, but he needs to take control of play calling duties.
When press taylor ultimately gets fired hopefully that cancer never gets another job in the nfl ever again. never seen one man single handily destroy a team as much as press Taylor has done to the jaguars.
Same! That’s still stuck in my head. I had to rewatch because I thought I misunderstood him then. That’s a huge red flag for any starting NFL qb or future starting
He doesn't have the fire or dog in him. Watch old press conferences after a loss. Gotta fix stuff, move on, play better, whatever. Brady was throwing tablets, Pat is yelling at people on the sideline. He has his bag now and fleeced them all. 😂
I don’t feel sorry for any of this NFL franchise. Stop giving stupid high contracts to every Quarterback. Just because you have one and his ok doesn’t means he needs to be the highest pay player or QB. Is insane what this teams are doing. The Packers are 2-0 without Love, Tua was stinking up the toilet before getting hurt and Dak is doing his normal stat padding!
It amazes me how the media (1) completely dismisses the fact that he threw FIVE interceptions in TWO playoff games and (3) want to conveniently dismiss his first season even though his play that year was more in alignment with what we have seen from him overall. He is NOT good.
Lawrence looks in the best shape I've seen him, this year. He put some weight on. I think the offense play calls are the problem they just don't work for him (QB), Receivers, TE, nobody's open.
Over the last year 1/2, every time people want to talk about Trevor winning a playoff game, I point out the 4 picks in the first half and that it was probably more the Chargers 'Chargering it' than Trevor's brilliance.
You put Trevor Lawrence with a coach like Sean McVay and he would be a top 5 QB....Does anyone remember all the talk about Jared Goff after a few years with Jeff Fisher...how did that turn out?
@@00ghostcobra Nikola Jokic, Polamalu, Brett Hull.... some people are great at something, and its their passion, but theyire worldview permits it to be 2nd or 3rd most important thing for them.
More or less Jaylen Brown too. They basically said that he was too smart to take basketball seriously. He's not the same caliber as those other guys but still.
"Theyire".... I guess that's the way to make sure you got the right form. I'll overlook that it doesn't have that flying comma thingy cuz I bet you think an apostrophe is one of the first followers of Christ.
It goes to show there is no such thing as a “can’t miss” QB prospect. Quarterbacking is really really hard. You just don’t know until they play. Shanahan said something like that. He oughta know. He drafted both Trey and Brock. Lucked into Brock really since he almost didn’t draft him.
Fun Trevor Lawrence stats 2021: 22 turnovers and led league in INTs 2022 aka his “best year”: 17 turnovers and led league in lost fumbles 2023: 21 turnovers and led the league in lost fumbles And they made him the 2nd highest paid QB…..
To many QB's are getting payed franchise money before they have actually proved they are the player who can elevate everyone else around them. Put the team on there back and drag the franchise to a win like Dan Marino did against the undefeated Bears. The playoff win against the Chargers was more to do with Brandon Staley flying the franchise into the side of the mountain than Trevor Proving he was that guy. It's kind of ironic that the first game of the Year was against the Dolphins and they are in the exact same dilemma with Tua,payed him the franchise money but he has never done anything in a game that mattered. The crazy contract that the Giants gave to Daniel Jones is another that stands out as a guy who got payed before he ever proved he was nothing but mediocre. I'm even worried about the Chargers with Justin Herbert,not because he doesn't have the franchise talent but it seems every season now he is playing injured.
Shows just how few elite quarterbacks there are in the league. The rest, Lawrence, Tua, etc. have no business being paid anywhere near the Mahomes, Allen, etc. ,
Yep Zeke's and other contract is the reason they don't pay running backs. So tua, lawrence, waston, and other should be the reason the QB money needs to come down.
Doug Pedersen won a super bowl and road playoff games with nick foles.. and had Carson Wentz looking like an MVP... he hasn't forgotten how to coach.. maybe the guy who is getting paid 55 million dollars a season just isn't good🤷🏾♂️
Good for him, Football isn't the meaning of life. It's a job. Do the job you get pained. It doesn't have to be your reason for living. for 99% of NFL players it a job and that it. The only time you have to make the only thing in your life is if you don't have talent.
@@JohnAC4 - I highly doubt that will happen. The AFC alone is stuffed with much better QBs who will be around for a long time. Can you honestly see him getting past Mahomes, Allen, Stroud, Jackson and Burrows?
I watch him as much as I can and what I'm seeing is it's like he doesn't have the arm strength with some of his throws, and he makes some bad decision throws also. I honestly thought Pedersen was going to help him be great like everyone, including myself, thought. Usually when people make those type of comparisons, they're not wrong. Is it confidence, could it be arm talent, or is it coaching. Idk but I don't usually see problems with arm talent from QBs with that kind of hype that surrounded him.
Blame the browns for messing up the market by offering Deshaun a bag for mediocre play. Considering he has been terrible now every QB playing better than him, which is most of them, they can all make a case for more money
These people are delusion, to claim he won the playoff game and looked great. He threw 4 picks in the first half, the chargers gave the game away. There is no universe in which a football player turns the ball over 4 times and you can say the victory was anything other than despite them.
Trevor got no dog in him. Deebo led the locker room in Clemson. Trevors heart ain't in it and his teammates know it. His family, wife, churce etc take precident in his mind. Not a bad balance, BUT he is being paid millions to be a dog, lead the locker room, care about his teammates by putting them above all else during football season. When season is over or he retires he can cater to other priorities, If he wants to be the family/church guy, then go sell insurance in South Carolina.
Deebo wasn’t on the Clemson team idiot and Trevor is a good QB. Played great today vs Indy. The biggest problem is he plays for a trash organization with a trash Oline
The Jags need to lean on the run game for a bit and take the pressure off this kid for a bit and let him build some confidence back. That helps all QBs look better, and confidence is key in the NFL.
I don’t think most jaguars fans were actually in favor of paying Lawrence tho. Everyone was spooked about the late season meltdown last year, most people I know didn’t like the idea of paying Lawrence before he showed good play again.
The Cowboys paid Dak Prescott and now he fell off a cliff. If he would have gotten paid for his play during this season, he could have earned it end of season or at least halfway through the year… Money is like a drug, you get a taste of the lavish life, and you stop showing up to practice early, you’re thinking about supermodels and it’s a distraction. Some players are generational talents that use the money and get better at their sport, Derrick Henry spends a quarter million yearly on cryogenics, diet, workouts and health. Money is not the answer for an unproven or inconsistent player, but unfortunately we have to pay them, or someone else will. I don’t wish for Dak Prescott to fail… or Trevor Lawrence, it’s just a common outcome to these young players and huge contracts.
@@wilhoroshak5035 - TBF, Dak isn't young and he has a proven record - at least in the regular season. With Dak, you know that you'll get some solid play during the regular season and you can at least hope that he can break though in the playoffs. OTOH, Lawrence is young and his play is inconsistent at best. He has shown some flashes of being great, and that's what probably keeps people thinking he can be great. However, the reality just doesn't align with that hope.
Benching Lawrence for a game or two might just jolt the guy back into playing like he's supposed to. Maybe he's complacent after getting his big contract. Happens to some players.
Brandon Staley made that made a hundred millionaire, that comeback was due to the chargers having 0 run game, 0 receivers, and staleys defensive discipline. (Let’s not forget about the RT that’s now on the chiefs that got away with a false start every play in the 4th qtr and Joey Bosa went off on the ref to give them a 1st down on 3rd
@@SportscadiaProductionsGerald Everett 😂 he’s Tony Gonzales now? And Mike was hurt/not playing, and the run game was non existent. I believe they had less than 10 rushing yards that entire second half you clearly didn’t watch the game.
GREAT QB's are rarely UP & down......They're consistently CONSISTENT mostly pointing to GOOD. Lawrence has SO FAR TO GO TO BE consistent pointing to GOOD. He's sure consistently pointing toward TURRiBLE as Charles Barkley would utter
He gets credit after throwing 4 picks. Heck, he was the reason they were in the hole in the first place. He can't read defenses and it's obvious to the d- coordinators. Show him one look and change at the snap he becomes lost and holds onto the ball to long.
I’m not sure how many jags fans are aware of how disastrous of a HC Staley was too. Was hired as defensive expert HC of chargers and somehow made the defense bottom tier despite a loaded roster
@@vikashbhakta8943 theyre really in the dark. christopher robinson and aint’n harrisonbare turnstiles this year. combined with two aging guys in the middle. Baalke ignored it. and trevor is suffering.
@@focuz4899 my man. They had a hundred yard rusher. Jags haven’t rushed for a hundo in what seems like ages. We cannot get ANY push. Line can’t even get us a 3rd and 1 with some confidence.
Would you care that much after getting a FAT guaranteed contract? He is going through the motions and driving to the bank. He knows he can't be fired or benched. If i were him, i wouldn't give af. Look at Deshaun Watson, second highest paid player and looks worse than XFL players 😂. He goes home to his mansion and gets good massage, so why would he care? People will eventually realize that guaranteed contracts in pro sports is a disaster, just like college head coaches. So dumb
Jacksonville was such a storied organization with a strong history of winning before Lawrence got there. It's terrible what he's done to this franchise
College success for some athletes doesn’t translate to nfl success, and this is Trevor. The jaguars pretty much secured his personal finances for life with that shitty contract
I once read something by Michael Crichton. He had suddenly gone from a starving writer to having the #1 book and movie in America. He had a meltdown. He felt that he had "made it," and could not bring himself to do anything. When you feel like you've reached the summit, you stop climbing. It does not happen to everyone, but it has certainly happened repeatedly in the NFL - Albert Haynesworth, CJ2K, etc. Many guys get the big contract and the fire goes out.
so why is Goff hated on for having a good o line? Almost like it’s a team sport and qbs are over valued. It has gotten insane how much we talk about qbs
Trevor Lawrence HAD been good - he's had good games in this league, he's led a historic playoff comeback victory, and from the midpoint of the 2022 season to the midpoint of last season he had a 16-6 record as the Jags' starting QB. If he had never had any success in the league that would be one thing, but he has. Perhaps a sports psychologist or something is needed because a guy doesn't just forget how to play football all of a sudden.
He through 4 interceptions in that game lol he’s horrible and before the draft he said Football is not everything or something to that extent, red flag. Bust!!
@@Supastackman A bust bro is Trevor Sieman. A bust is Mitchel Trubisky or Jamarcus Russell. Lawrence has played at a much higher level than any of those guys. He very well may end up being a bust, but it’s still too early to label him a bust.
He's not been good. He's had a handful of good games, and the playoff win vs the chargers is not one of them. He was the main reason they were getting blown out at halftime, with his 4 INTs in the first half.
He likes to throw high but his ball placement is up there with Aaron Rodgers. The team is not making it easy on him. They've abandoned the quick passes and screens, there's no run game so the defense are always running plays vs the pass, they have trevor doing 180s in play action why?
The Jags definitely need to amp up their defense first. They are putting up way too many points. Then they can replace Lawerence. That's how I would move forward.
I said it & I'll say it again YALL GAVE THIS FOOL 275 MILLION...WHAT WAS THE REASON!? I'm mad too I was 10 points off from my prediction that JAX would lose by 50
They paying these players way too much money & they haven’t proven to be great yet just throwing money away on average players all around the league, as soon as they get paid, stock goes down, I don’t see Trevor Lawrence coming out the AFC winning anything in his career because there are plenty of better QBs better than him lol
This is why the nfl should treat the QBs like you treat the RBs I’m not giving 60 million to a subpar qb. I would give a Rb 18 mill all day if he a superstar over giving a mediocre qb 60 that’s simple math
We could have Calvin Johnson Randy moss and Jerry rice with Tom Brady. If you don’t have time to throw the ball, all of em gonna look like trash. The o line is the problem along with terrible play calls.
Add Joe Burrow to this conversation! These were great college QB's that never really lived up to their potential. Then you QB's that were just OK in college and do sensational at the pro level?! Everyone can notice that Trevor Lawrence does not look focused at all anymore.
The more money you pay them, the less motivated they are to be great... cuz they're still getting paid. I detest Chris Brockman on the Rich Eisen show but I agree with his sentiment. Make him EARN that money. One above mediocre season is not worth what he's being paid.
Scouts never look for the Joe Montana factor! And that is how fast you can think in a matter of seconds. Montana had none of the traits that scouts are looking for, but he could scan the field in the blink of an eye and find the open receiver. That is the most important trait in quarterback!
For sure! Pocket presence, poise and the “it” factor plus knowing how to throw well timed catchable throws to receivers in stride is not talked about enough. Montana had a great touch and instinct. He didn’t stare down receivers either. Basically, I’ll take Purdy over Lawrence without blinking because of this
Every year draft time, I see scouts drooling over a qb’s mechanics, ie caleb Williams, and these scouts have no idea what is between the ears. I wish I could be a scout!
The myth of Urban Myer being a disaster as a coach in his rookie year with the jags makes for a convenient whipping boy for the sports media, but had Trevor looked like Marino as a rookie and the generational talent everyone in the media was screaming he was, Urban would have kept his job and probably been hailed as a genius. Trevor was horrible as a rookie and got Urban fired.
@@jesusblanco7657 Urban was amazing everywhere he coached and then he gets to the NFL and all the sports media talking heads are screaming Trevor Lawrence is a generational talent, he MUST be taken #1 and you MUST start him as a rookie...then Trevor stinks the place up and gets Urban fired.
Paying QBs too much esp. the guaranteed money contracts. I can name 4 right off the top of my head that don't deserve their guaranteed contracts: Lawrence, Tua, Dak, and Deshaun Watson. These QB's getting paid for doing absolutely nothing zero zip nata. I probably can find more if I dig into it a little. Kind of 50/50 on Hurts but I think he is over paid also. NFL Offensive has changed run game much more important now with everyone playing cover 2. QB's handing ball off or throwing short to mid level routes you don't need a +50MM dollar a year QB to do that.
Please. Trevor has one of the better WR rooms in the league. Has speed in Thomas Jr, possession WR in Davis, one of the best slots with Kirk, and Ingram at te. What does Allen have to throw to?
He has a positive TD to INT ratio against winning teams. Statistically speaking, his numbers look good. The downside I found in the Jaguars team is the DEF is 31st in the league in pts given up. Only the Panthers are worse. Ironically, both the Panthers and Jaguars came into the league in 1993.
@@AlexRosner-v8t If he was an Excellent coach he wouldn’t allow a subordinate to ruin his livelihood and reputation. Not to mention lost the locker room which seems to be the case.
Did the Jaguars crash and burn in a hurry or what? They were one of the best teams in the NFL for three-quarters of a season, then everything just went south after that miraculous comeback against the Chargers.
Today's sports media are out of their minds. The NFL is paying these players way too much money for doing fxck all. The whole league is full of players who have no restraint or control.
People give him so much credit for winning a game, coming back, after throwing 4 picks in the first half.
It’s good for him.
But it’s an arsonist putting out a fire he started.
Good logic 😂
@@baydawg he was an mvp candidate before getting hurt last year in week 11. the oline has been ranked 31st the past two years. now going on a 3rd. riddle me that.
@JeezyKeen that isn’t the comeback you think it is. If the Oline has been terrible for two seasons, then it’s not really a factor. He was an MVP candidate behind a trash Oline, and now he’s a bottom 5 QB behind a trash Oline. That means the problem is something else
Firefighter* people love firefighters😂
@JSalonsky Idk firefighter kinda implies you’re putting out other people’s fires, and you’re never the problem yourself. Like I’d call Tom Brady a firefighter cuz he would put out all the dumpster fires that bill caused, especially in roster construction
Every team in the NFL wants to have at least a Top 10 QB, but the problem is that only 10 teams can have one. Most teams are going to have to make it work with mediocre or subpar quarterback play, that's just the way it is. The NFL is too reliant on quarterbacks now, as if there aren't 10 other players on the offense. Too many teams are neglecting the offensive line and investing too heavily in skill positions. Busts are probably going to become more common. I have a feeling the owners will wise up and stop paying these quarterbacks and go back to a solid run game to open up the passing game, and reliable defense to win games. It wont be sexy, but thats real football...this isnt Madden.
See, the way I see it is we're going to be seeing less in the middle and more extremes. Every QB is either going to be a top 10 guy depending on their situation or they're gonna stink. I could even argue that's where we are already. There's no Tannehils, there's no Flaccos, there's no Alex Smith, you've either got an MVP candidate or you have someone who stinks for the most part. Like, on a stacked roster with a great coordinator, Trevor Lawrence would probably not look too bad. But he'd basically be 2019 Jimmy G.
To me, it's a result of what the general consensus has appeared to declare the most effective tactic available for roster building: get a good QB on a rookie deal and stack the deck. You don't let a QB go from rough, to mid, to all pro anymore. Rookies start right right away
Spot on
100 per cent correct. Playing quarterback at a high level in the NFL is hard, really, really hard. At this point success for an NFL team is almost totally dependant on finding the right quarterback.
Yep and they also tend to call out rookies and treat every rookie qb like the first draft pick
This is a great point, Washington is doing the opposite with Jayden Daniels right now, instead of loading up on receivers, they added some players on the Oline which is leading to a solid run game, and Jayden is thriving, they will add receivers eventually, but they are laying down the foundation, which is the trenches
It’s confirmation bias.
The media has played a role in propping up TLaw and none of them won’t admit it but he was living off the hype of his freshman year and what he accomplished.
If you look at his next 2 years after, he progressively got worse but again.. confirmation bias. No one wanted to be wrong about Trevor but.. they were and it’s okay to just say “we got that one wrong you guys.”
Yes, as a Bama fan i've been saying that for years. Lawrence built his rep almost entirely off that game vs Bama as a freshman where he gave Saban the worst loss he had at Bama. He never played that well vs elite competition for the rest of his college career and he was known for making reckless throws from time to time. That has continued in the NFL.
It's strange with Lawrence as most had no issue with declaring QBs such as Mac Jones and Bryce Young as being total busts. Yet for some reason, they kept pumping Lawrence up as some generational QB until now. I get the fact that he's better than either of those two, and that he has shown flashes of being an elite QB, but for the most part he's just a middling QB.
I just always wanted him to be average because of his awful fake personality and the disgusting way in which he brings religion into everything. That said they always prop up one QB as the clear #1 of a draft and are almost always wrong.
All of your QBs have been total garbage from bama. It's why you guys are an utter joke. They have horses out there but the QB can be some random homeless guy. @@neneshubby
@@jsm530 That’s not true, number one and number 2 I’ll let you in on a little secret. MOST college quarterbacks don’t become NFL stars because playing quarterback at a high level is really, really hard. Quick! Name the last great quarterback from Ohio State. Clemson?Texas?
USC? Florida? Michigan, other than Tom Brady? Get the point. Most great quarterbacks don’t come from great programs. Mahomes is from Texas Tech. Aaron Rodgers is from Cal. Josh Allen is from Wyoming. Lamar Jackson is from Louisville so I’m not sure what you’re cherry picking out Bama quarterbacks for because most college quarterbacks struggle in the NFL. That’s the norm, not the exception.
“GENERATIONAL TALENT” they said lol
Seems when they say generational talent it’s a bad sign ✍️
@@aem870 not really, Trevor's the only one who's been underwhelming tbh. Here are the "generational" players recently: Lebron, McDavid and Crosby, Peyton and Luck, Bryce Harper. These uber-prospects have tended to pay off, they're all HoF'ers (Luck was on his way). Just saying.
@aem870 I never thought Lawrence was generational talent tbh. His rookie season in college was his best one, then he regressed. And he never did that great when under pressure.
@@vulcanraven9701Etienne has been carrying TLaw since college.
@@Brian-qg8vu LeBron didn't play pro football, I'm on about pro-football players. I was thinking of Caleb Williams and Trevor Lawrence. Williams is still new though so maybe they'll figure things out.
Didn't he say football wasn't that important before he got drafted. When people tell you who they are, believe them.
Indeed. He got paid and now he doesn't care anymore.
And ppl were mad at me at the time when I said Justin Fields wouldn’t have been able to get away with saying that.
@@fakephoenixprinceJustin is slowly & methodically proving that he belongs in the NFL. Trevor is doing the opposite.
Some folks put God & Family over work, doesn’t mean they aren’t arriving early and putting in work.
He’s never been comfortable being a pocket guy he’s not accurate and he doesn’t read defenses very well but the biggest issue he’s been figured out you have a good year you have good games but what makes guys like Mahomes great once the NFL figures you out can you continue to be great I also question is Lawrence heart in it to be great
I REALLY miss Mike and Mike in the Morning
It was a time in my life ESPN radio would get me through my entire day of work and college
I miss 2008 ESPN radio for real
Omg, me too!❤ Part of my morning routine!
Greeny said "I'm done with this"😂😂..the other mike(and his son) were big mad
Mike and Mike was the second most unwatchable show ever, just behind the Dan LeBatard show. LeBatard was “Miserable Man” radio, at best.
Trevor Lawrence is without a doubt the most overrated quarterback in the NFL he got paid more than Patrick Mahomes and has the same salary as Joe Burrow and Jordan love two infinitely better quarterbacks and he is atrocious if they lose one more game the Jaguars are going to be firing Doug Pederson
They would be doing doug a favor
I don't know Justin Herbert is up there when it comes to being over rated
Kirk cousins
When press taylor ultimately gets fired hopefully that cancer never gets another job in the nfl ever again. never seen one man single handily destroy a team as much as press Taylor has done to the jaguars.
Love is no better than Lawrence. Give it a few years
I’ll never understand why college football scouts evaluate QBs so high that throw to wide open receivers 90% of their school careers. It was extremely rare that I saw Trevor make tight window throws in college.
The thing is, he always has made great and insane throws. He shows flashes of greatness, heck even some throws from this abysmal game were good. As a jags fan, I don't think he is bad. Maybe inconsistent, probably mid, but he has undeniable talent.
Every qb at a top team is throwing to mostly open receivers. It’s no different at Alabama, Georgia, Michigan
It's why he only throws to tight ends. he is terrified about throwing downfield
@@moomoojoos8849 I dont think he’s talent-less, just he was graded way too high. They were comparing him to Elway and Luck in college.
The guy was a stud in college, was ready for the NFL as a freshman in college that’s how good he was, but the problem is these number one and number two draft picks. Always end up on garbage teams as a reward for doing great things in college which is sad. Jacksonville has been a trash organization since Coach Coughlin got fired back in the day. The owner doesn’t know what he’s doing, and the coaches he brings in suck, the poor kid is throwing to bums, and the offensive line sucks, I didn’t agree with the big contract, but it’s delusional to think one guy at 26 years of age is going to fix their problems and take them to the promise land.
They gonna blame every coach for Trevor Lawrence like they are out there throwing the ints
What Picks ?? 3 for the entire year ?? There are 25 QBs who have thrown more INT this season.
Trevor Lawrence only threw more INTs than touchdowns his rookie year. His second and third sesson he wasn't the Jaguars problem. This season he has 9 TDs to 3 INTs despite being on pace to throw for less than 4000 yards.
Another reason NFL contracts are out of control.
Oh yeah ? Yo u scared bro I bet you won’t come to Prussia and say that. I’ll literally meet u anywhere bro. Yugoslavia, Soviet Union, Ottoman Empire, Nebraska, wherever bro. U AINT ABOUT THIS LIFE
@@Yeah-w5dlmao man wtf are you on?
For QBs
@@hawk0187ify WRs too. These guys throw tantrums so they can get traded from winning teams to losing teams, sign a massive deal as if theyre "the guy" now, then complain or just flat out refuse to play until they get traded again to a decent team. They're really taking the term "diva receiver" to a new level...
FEEL BAD FOR BRYCE YOUNG ......I WISH HE WAS GIVEN AS MUCH TIME AS TREVOR ....SMH
Why? Andy dalton is better than him. Andy dalton won as much games as Bryce young over a full season and some in one game.
Nah Bryce might die if he keeps getting thrown out there. The guy needs a sports therapist and a new team
You see how fast the Bears got rid of Justin Fields?
Lol...Bryce Young stinks
I'd like to see Bryce get traded to Miami and be a wildcat offense sensation along with Tua. Think Derek Carr/Taysom Hill but younger and more athletic. Tua can take fewer, more quality snaps and Bryce doesn't have the pressure to throw the long ball over tall defenders.
Lawrence has been one of the overhyped players ever. Dude was compared to Peyton manning, Andrew luck and John elway.
Prrrrreach😎
Wrong, he needs to fix the fumbling issue and this team needs to learn how to run the dam ball. Its not that complicated. He has a coach that doesn't know anything about defense nor how to fix it, and simply refuses to run the football
Just the opposite they run way too much
He’ll be fine
…not Ryan Leaf or Johnny Manziel?
Too much money before a QB has proved himself - it wrecks his competitive spirit.
True
It wrecks anything: cutting grass, building porches. If you pay in full up front before work is done. They will screw you out if it
Jags fan here, this season has been one of the most confusing starts ever. After a fumble on the 1 yard line against Miami to potentially go up 17 on them, we’ve collapsed, and no one is trying to save what’s left of this team. It’s almost comical.
Bro the 1st half against Miami is the fluke! Thus team sucks and were lead by the prince of suck himself! Lawrence has never been good in the NFL...there has just been stretches where he hasn't been horrible!
And then the Christian Kirk vanishing act until last week… it’s like lawrence just forgot about his most dangerous weapon
Jags can never hold a lead
miami is a really bad team with an even worse defense...
@@Jesters7264 Trevor Lawrence is definitely overrated. QBs get pampered way too much when they aren't playing well. Lawrence got paid a massive contract. In Year 4 with that type of money a QB is expected to uplift the franchise and make the rest of his teammates better. Football is a team sport but I'm tired of QBs getting credit when they win and no blame when they lose
Nobody really talks about it for some reason, but the year they made the playoffs Doug Peterson called plays. It just so happened that when Doug stopped calling plays, Trevor fell off a cliff. The question I don’t understand, is why dough Peterson is okay with not calling plays while watching this offense, because he will get fired.
And Doug will never answer the question who calls the plays when the press asks him.
@@BensonMTG I’m an eagles fan always felt bad for how he got fired. I don’t pay much attention to Jaguars news, but I remember him saying he wanted to stop calling plays to focus more on the game when coaching after the year he made the playoffs. Good coach, but he needs to take control of play calling duties.
When press taylor ultimately gets fired hopefully that cancer never gets another job in the nfl ever again. never seen one man single handily destroy a team as much as press Taylor has done to the jaguars.
@@AlexRosner-v8t 100% agree man. Crazy how from a outside perspective we can see this, but media outlets have no idea what’s going on
We have been talking about it as Jags fans for 2 years
Trevor Lawrence is the most overrated quarterback in the NFL
This is hilarious....& remember it recorded
Justin Herbert is a very close 2nd
Throw in Dak Prescott.
The most overrated was Bryce Young
It's certainly starting to look that way.
Trevor seems like a nice kid. I hope he’s able to turn things around.
So refreshing to read posts like this. Thank you for being a good person.
This is the correct attitude to have
Hese rich i think the man will just fine
If he leaves Jacksonville he will. It’s like being drafted by the Cleveland Browns at QB
@@_meangreenjersey973 if I gave you a million bucks you’d still be this miserable
The Jaguars traded for Mac Jones hoping that he will scare Lawrence about job insecurity but then gave him a riverboat load of $$$.
Mac Jones cost Jaguars a sixth round pick. Clearly not a scare move, just bringing in a quality backup.
Trevor Lawerence at his first press conference said “football isn’t that big of an deal to me” & that was an huge red flag for me
Same! That’s still stuck in my head. I had to rewatch because I thought I misunderstood him then. That’s a huge red flag for any starting NFL qb or future starting
I told everyone I knew he was going to be a bust after I heard that
He doesn't have the fire or dog in him. Watch old press conferences after a loss. Gotta fix stuff, move on, play better, whatever. Brady was throwing tablets, Pat is yelling at people on the sideline. He has his bag now and fleeced them all. 😂
@@karenhardie1132 it really does seem as simple as that 🥲 Great comparisons too
At the end of the day, it is just football. It ain’t that serious
They can fire Doug Pederson, and we’ll take him back in Philly.
Doug Peterson and Nick sirianni are the same type of head coach
I don’t feel sorry for any of this NFL franchise. Stop giving stupid high contracts to every Quarterback. Just because you have one and his ok doesn’t means he needs to be the highest pay player or QB. Is insane what this teams are doing. The Packers are 2-0 without Love, Tua was stinking up the toilet before getting hurt and Dak is doing his normal stat padding!
It amazes me how the media (1) completely dismisses the fact that he threw FIVE interceptions in TWO playoff games and (3) want to conveniently dismiss his first season even though his play that year was more in alignment with what we have seen from him overall. He is NOT good.
Lawrence looks in the best shape I've seen him, this year. He put some weight on. I think the offense play calls are the problem they just don't work for him (QB), Receivers, TE, nobody's open.
Over the last year 1/2, every time people want to talk about Trevor winning a playoff game, I point out the 4 picks in the first half and that it was probably more the Chargers 'Chargering it' than Trevor's brilliance.
Can confirm as a Charger fan, none of us felt safe at half with a 28-3 lead. We have blown similar sized leads before.
You put Trevor Lawrence with a coach like Sean McVay and he would be a top 5 QB....Does anyone remember all the talk about Jared Goff after a few years with Jeff Fisher...how did that turn out?
He needs a team … something is really off
@@Honestly__now Agreed I would love to see him in another team as the Jags god bless em can't seem to get it right and I doubt they ever will.
That SI interview before the 2021 draft was filled with ref flags the media looked the other way at
When Lawrence said that football wasn't the most important thing to him during an interview that I saw, it raised red flags for me..
@@00ghostcobra Troy Polamalu said the exact same thing for like his entire career
@@00ghostcobra Nikola Jokic, Polamalu, Brett Hull.... some people are great at something, and its their passion, but theyire worldview permits it to be 2nd or 3rd most important thing for them.
More or less Jaylen Brown too. They basically said that he was too smart to take basketball seriously. He's not the same caliber as those other guys but still.
"Theyire".... I guess that's the way to make sure you got the right form. I'll overlook that it doesn't have that flying comma thingy cuz I bet you think an apostrophe is one of the first followers of Christ.
Second highest paid QB and hasn’t done anything in the playoffs or regular season. Whoever is agent is deserves a raise
Agents get a cut from such deal, so the agent got his raise with TL's.
It goes to show there is no such thing as a “can’t miss” QB prospect. Quarterbacking is really really hard. You just don’t know until they play. Shanahan said something like that. He oughta know. He drafted both Trey and Brock. Lucked into Brock really since he almost didn’t draft him.
Fun Trevor Lawrence stats
2021: 22 turnovers and led league in INTs
2022 aka his “best year”: 17 turnovers and led league in lost fumbles
2023: 21 turnovers and led the league in lost fumbles
And they made him the 2nd highest paid QB…..
Dive deeper into more stats and compare to Minshew and Jags could have upgraded so many other areas of the team with similar or better QB results
Owners are pathetic! They have no clues about sports. No accountability.
He got paid. He doesn’t care anymore.
They shouldn’t of never signed him.
Just like Deshaun Watson.
Daniel Jones is already on his 3rd coach and 2nd GM. And they are both on the hot seat this year.
Crazy
Daniel Jones would be a backup on most teams
@@Hugefknballs yep
*punter on most teams 😂
Water boy! Make him do the heavy lifting.
Hahahaha! "He won a playoff game. Yes, he threw 4 ints." That is a hilarious statement.
Won vs a staley run team. Enough said.
I'm not a Jags fan, but i had high hopes for them. It looked like they were ascending for a second. I'm not sure what happened? 🤷♂
To many QB's are getting payed franchise money before they have actually proved they are the player who can elevate everyone else around them. Put the team on there back and drag the franchise to a win like Dan Marino did against the undefeated Bears. The playoff win against the Chargers was more to do with Brandon Staley flying the franchise into the side of the mountain than Trevor Proving he was that guy. It's kind of ironic that the first game of the Year was against the Dolphins and they are in the exact same dilemma with Tua,payed him the franchise money but he has never done anything in a game that mattered. The crazy contract that the Giants gave to Daniel Jones is another that stands out as a guy who got payed before he ever proved he was nothing but mediocre. I'm even worried about the Chargers with Justin Herbert,not because he doesn't have the franchise talent but it seems every season now he is playing injured.
Too* many QBs* / put the team on their* backs* / the playoff win had* more to do / Otherwise totally agreed.
He's a "franchise QB, " - but unfortunately, the franchise SUCKS because their "franchise QB" sucks.
Shows just how few elite quarterbacks there are in the league. The rest, Lawrence, Tua, etc. have no business being paid anywhere near the Mahomes, Allen, etc.
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Don’t blame the players. Blame the owner who signed off on the check. Too many owners with poor decisions.
Yep Zeke's and other contract is the reason they don't pay running backs. So tua, lawrence, waston, and other should be the reason the QB money needs to come down.
Allen lmao you mean mahomes Lamar
Doug Pedersen won a super bowl and road playoff games with nick foles.. and had Carson Wentz looking like an MVP... he hasn't forgotten how to coach.. maybe the guy who is getting paid 55 million dollars a season just isn't good🤷🏾♂️
He didn’t have to be good doug Pederson can win with anyone except when prsss Taylor calls plays
Remember when Trevor said football isn’t that important and his life is fine without football?
And then the poorly run Jag organization paid him.
Good for him, Football isn't the meaning of life. It's a job. Do the job you get pained. It doesn't have to be your reason for living. for 99% of NFL players it a job and that it. The only time you have to make the only thing in your life is if you don't have talent.
@@CaseyLynn-i7uTrevor isn’t doing his job
Was supposed to be an elway manning type of qb to win 2-3 super bowls.
Still can
I expect two bowls from Lawrence !
@@JohnAC4 - I highly doubt that will happen. The AFC alone is stuffed with much better QBs who will be around for a long time. Can you honestly see him getting past Mahomes, Allen, Stroud, Jackson and Burrows?
@@ben6077 Don't see him ever making it to a championship game, even if he was over in the NFC.
@@JohnAC4 Doubt it.
I watch him as much as I can and what I'm seeing is it's like he doesn't have the arm strength with some of his throws, and he makes some bad decision throws also. I honestly thought Pedersen was going to help him be great like everyone, including myself, thought. Usually when people make those type of comparisons, they're not wrong. Is it confidence, could it be arm talent, or is it coaching. Idk but I don't usually see problems with arm talent from QBs with that kind of hype that surrounded him.
I’m rooting hard for Trevor. I wish him the best. I hope he pulls out of this. Let’s go Trevor!
Unfortunately, Clemson quarterbacks just don’t produce in the NFL first Watson now Lawrence. But DAM were they killers in college 🏆
No QB would succeed with Jacksonville O-Linemen imo. That doesn't excuse Trevor Lawrence decision making
No qb can succeed getting sacked 3 times a game ? That’s 3 plays clown btw Lawrence was the least pressured qb in nfl last season
Joe burrow made super bowl with jillion times worse oline
They need to change the way QB's get paid, the fact that this dude is in the top 5 paid is crazy
Blame the browns for messing up the market by offering Deshaun a bag for mediocre play. Considering he has been terrible now every QB playing better than him, which is most of them, they can all make a case for more money
No, they need to change requirements for management, like IQ tests.
Browns have nothing to do with anything no one forced any team to pay anyone
These people are delusion, to claim he won the playoff game and looked great. He threw 4 picks in the first half, the chargers gave the game away. There is no universe in which a football player turns the ball over 4 times and you can say the victory was anything other than despite them.
last year, everyone was crucifyimg Russell Wilson but he has better numbers than Lawrence.
Trevor got no dog in him. Deebo led the locker room in Clemson. Trevors heart ain't in it and his teammates know it. His family, wife, churce etc take precident in his mind. Not a bad balance, BUT he is being paid millions to be a dog, lead the locker room, care about his teammates by putting them above all else during football season. When season is over or he retires he can cater to other priorities, If he wants to be the family/church guy, then go sell insurance in South Carolina.
Deebo wasn’t on the Clemson team idiot and Trevor is a good QB. Played great today vs Indy. The biggest problem is he plays for a trash organization with a trash Oline
The Jags need to lean on the run game for a bit and take the pressure off this kid for a bit and let him build some confidence back. That helps all QBs look better, and confidence is key in the NFL.
Loke clockwork. Everyone was saying, "PAY YOUR PLAYERS"
Now we're asking who's gonna be losing their job for this.
Fans only say what's convenient to say in any given situation lol. Usually fans don't have a clue what they're saying
@@raider1297 1000%
I don’t think most jaguars fans were actually in favor of paying Lawrence tho. Everyone was spooked about the late season meltdown last year, most people I know didn’t like the idea of paying Lawrence before he showed good play again.
The Cowboys paid Dak Prescott and now he fell off a cliff. If he would have gotten paid for his play during this season, he could have earned it end of season or at least halfway through the year… Money is like a drug, you get a taste of the lavish life, and you stop showing up to practice early, you’re thinking about supermodels and it’s a distraction. Some players are generational talents that use the money and get better at their sport, Derrick Henry spends a quarter million yearly on cryogenics, diet, workouts and health.
Money is not the answer for an unproven or inconsistent player, but unfortunately we have to pay them, or someone else will.
I don’t wish for Dak Prescott to fail… or Trevor Lawrence, it’s just a common outcome to these young players and huge contracts.
@@wilhoroshak5035 - TBF, Dak isn't young and he has a proven record - at least in the regular season. With Dak, you know that you'll get some solid play during the regular season and you can at least hope that he can break though in the playoffs. OTOH, Lawrence is young and his play is inconsistent at best. He has shown some flashes of being great, and that's what probably keeps people thinking he can be great. However, the reality just doesn't align with that hope.
He's not bad! It's the coaching!
Wrong he went 2-14 before and Press Taylor is the problem
For the amount of money he makes, it's not enough for Lawrence to play ok. He needs to be the man.
Add Burrow to this list. He's been figured out and can't manage a 12 play 80 yrd drive.
Benching Lawrence for a game or two might just jolt the guy back into playing like he's supposed to.
Maybe he's complacent after getting his big contract. Happens to some players.
That’s not going to happen 😂
@@LUMBEEPHENOM2012 Probably not, but maybe it should.
@@LUMBEEPHENOM2012they lost their last 8 games you better do something before you as a coach be gone
Even if he did get benched his game check will still be the same amount. Win or lose same amount. If he's not already motivated it's over
He's literally never played 'like he was supposed too'
He would be awesome in Pittsburgh with Arthur Smith's offense
they are 0-4 if he were a black QB he would be gone
Okay, then I say if he was black he would have been arrested a few times
Brandon Staley made that made a hundred millionaire, that comeback was due to the chargers having 0 run game, 0 receivers, and staleys defensive discipline.
(Let’s not forget about the RT that’s now on the chiefs that got away with a false start every play in the 4th qtr and Joey Bosa went off on the ref to give them a 1st down on 3rd
They had eckler and keenan Allen
@@AlexRosner-v8tand Mike Williams
Herbert had Keenan Allen, Austin Eckler, and Mike Williams and Gerald Everett on offense with 27 point lead stop it
@@SportscadiaProductionsGerald Everett 😂 he’s Tony Gonzales now? And Mike was hurt/not playing, and the run game was non existent. I believe they had less than 10 rushing yards that entire second half you clearly didn’t watch the game.
Again 27 point lead and he can’t stop the bleeding?
Dont wanna toot my own horn, but o called this three years ago. I Saw a 6-5 Guy who didnt like to get hit. "best qb prospect ever" . What a joke.
GREAT QB's are rarely UP & down......They're consistently CONSISTENT mostly pointing to GOOD. Lawrence has SO FAR TO GO TO BE consistent pointing to GOOD. He's sure consistently pointing toward TURRiBLE as Charles Barkley would utter
The Cowboys signed Dink-and-Dak to one of those deals too. At least, he wins regular season games, until he got broke off.
And Dak is also overrated....
He gets credit after throwing 4 picks. Heck, he was the reason they were in the hole in the first place. He can't read defenses and it's obvious to the d- coordinators. Show him one look and change at the snap he becomes lost and holds onto the ball to long.
I’m not sure how many jags fans are aware of how disastrous of a HC Staley was too. Was hired as defensive expert HC of chargers and somehow made the defense bottom tier despite a loaded roster
He’s not bad. He’s still light years better than any of the current 2024 rookies. I would take Trevor over Jayden Daniels without a doubt
Lol ! Just say it don't try explaining ...😅😅😅
31st ranked oline two years in a row. and looks likefor a third. thats my honest opinion after WATCHING all the games
Talking about that won’t get these dummies clickbait. But, no one could do well behind *this* Oline.
@@vikashbhakta8943 theyre really in the dark. christopher robinson and aint’n harrisonbare turnstiles this year. combined with two aging guys in the middle. Baalke ignored it. and trevor is suffering.
@@vikashbhakta8943agreed, we could have prime Brady and he would be getting sacked and forcing throws every snap.
The Carolina Panthers have a terrible O-Line too, but Andy Dalton stepped in and beat Tampa. They should bench Trevor.
@@focuz4899 my man. They had a hundred yard rusher. Jags haven’t rushed for a hundo in what seems like ages. We cannot get ANY push.
Line can’t even get us a 3rd and 1 with some confidence.
He was a good college quarterback, no more.
I don't know what people are evaluating. His tape has been pedestrian the whole time.
Would you care that much after getting a FAT guaranteed contract? He is going through the motions and driving to the bank. He knows he can't be fired or benched. If i were him, i wouldn't give af. Look at Deshaun Watson, second highest paid player and looks worse than XFL players 😂. He goes home to his mansion and gets good massage, so why would he care? People will eventually realize that guaranteed contracts in pro sports is a disaster, just like college head coaches. So dumb
This.
With the exception of that magical season where he won the SB, Doug Pederson is a 9 wins coach.🤷♂️
Wrong no one has ever won with wentz and Doug is 12-2 with foles
Doug would have won 6 Super Bowls if he didn’t have to deal with wentz and press Taylor
Jacksonville was such a storied organization with a strong history of winning before Lawrence got there. It's terrible what he's done to this franchise
He tarnished a legacy…
I'm sorry I stepped into bizarro land, the Jags over the last 25 plus years have been consistently bad.
@@donovanbradford8231 Just a little playful sarcasm. Everything will be okay.
College success for some athletes doesn’t translate to nfl success, and this is Trevor. The jaguars pretty much secured his personal finances for life with that shitty contract
I once read something by Michael Crichton. He had suddenly gone from a starving writer to having the #1 book and movie in America. He had a meltdown. He felt that he had "made it," and could not bring himself to do anything. When you feel like you've reached the summit, you stop climbing. It does not happen to everyone, but it has certainly happened repeatedly in the NFL - Albert Haynesworth, CJ2K, etc. Many guys get the big contract and the fire goes out.
Jags have a trash offensive line and Trevor in danger of being killed by the trash line
so why is Goff hated on for having a good o line? Almost like it’s a team sport and qbs are over valued. It has gotten insane how much we talk about qbs
Trevor Lawrence was the least pressured qb in nfl last season the fake oline excises are false
Getting sacked 3 times a game ain’t why Trevor sucks
@@AlexRosner-v8tJot true at all😂
This shows how tough it is winning in the NFL.
Trevor Lawrence HAD been good - he's had good games in this league, he's led a historic playoff comeback victory, and from the midpoint of the 2022 season to the midpoint of last season he had a 16-6 record as the Jags' starting QB. If he had never had any success in the league that would be one thing, but he has. Perhaps a sports psychologist or something is needed because a guy doesn't just forget how to play football all of a sudden.
He through 4 interceptions in that game lol he’s horrible and before the draft he said Football is not everything or something to that extent, red flag. Bust!!
Agreed. He’s had enough good games that no way you can label him yet as a bust.
@@SupastackmanI remember him saying that
@@Supastackman
A bust bro is Trevor Sieman. A bust is Mitchel Trubisky or Jamarcus Russell. Lawrence has played at a much higher level than any of those guys. He very well may end up being a bust, but it’s still too early to label him a bust.
He's not been good. He's had a handful of good games, and the playoff win vs the chargers is not one of them. He was the main reason they were getting blown out at halftime, with his 4 INTs in the first half.
Jacksonville isn’t marketable that’s why.
His numbers mirror Daniel Jones. Yes, that Daniel jones
Ouch 😂
Trevor's life philosophy and goal is simple: Keeping up with Jones's (who play QB in the NFL).
The jump from college to the NFL as we know is huge. Now you compartmentalize it to positions and the QB slot is almost impossible to predict.
Lawrence never had the accuracy to be evaluated with te Elways, Mannings, and Lucks.
He likes to throw high but his ball placement is up there with Aaron Rodgers. The team is not making it easy on him. They've abandoned the quick passes and screens, there's no run game so the defense are always running plays vs the pass, they have trevor doing 180s in play action why?
@@clos24Tlaw is nowhere near in any stratosphere as accurate as Aaron Rodgers
Andrew luck had one of the worst completion percentages of all time
No, but he’ll be placed in the same category with the Leafs and the Manziels.
Just the opposite press Taylor too many screens
The Jags definitely need to amp up their defense first. They are putting up way too many points. Then they can replace Lawerence. That's how I would move forward.
I said it & I'll say it again YALL GAVE THIS FOOL 275 MILLION...WHAT WAS THE REASON!? I'm mad too I was 10 points off from my prediction that JAX would lose by 50
Jacksonville is a dump of a city. I wouldn’t want to play there either.
He looks terrible and it’s time to bench him
If Trevor Lawrence is not the No.1 pick what is he?
They paying these players way too much money & they haven’t proven to be great yet just throwing money away on average players all around the league, as soon as they get paid, stock goes down, I don’t see Trevor Lawrence coming out the AFC winning anything in his career because there are plenty of better QBs better than him lol
This is why the nfl should treat the QBs like you treat the RBs I’m not giving 60 million to a subpar qb. I would give a Rb 18 mill all day if he a superstar over giving a mediocre qb 60 that’s simple math
The Organization should’ve traded up for Marvin Harrison jr . No wide receivers
Brian Thomas is good. Lawrence is just a awful qb
@@arnoldhc0258
He’s not no Marvin Harrison the team should’ve spent the draft picks to draft him.
@@sunnyrobinson2128what they need a o line 😂😂
We could have Calvin Johnson Randy moss and Jerry rice with Tom Brady. If you don’t have time to throw the ball, all of em gonna look like trash. The o line is the problem along with terrible play calls.
Add Joe Burrow to this conversation! These were great college QB's that never really lived up to their potential. Then you QB's that were just OK in college and do sensational at the pro level?! Everyone can notice that Trevor Lawrence does not look focused at all anymore.
The more money you pay them, the less motivated they are to be great... cuz they're still getting paid. I detest Chris Brockman on the Rich Eisen show but I agree with his sentiment. Make him EARN that money. One above mediocre season is not worth what he's being paid.
100% agreed
Bruh Jalen hurts was Tom brady before he got the contract..got paid then turned into brett favre
Chris Brockman is trash
It’s Hilarious How The Media can’t admit they were wrong. For example Trevor Lawrence & Bryce Young
He didn't even complete his rookie deal before he got a contract extension especially that amount of money 😒 🤦♂️👎
That’s Shad Khan for you and Wayne Weaver sold this team to a dunce.
Right 55 M's is crazy
Scouts never look for the Joe Montana factor! And that is how fast you can think in a matter of seconds. Montana had none of the traits that scouts are looking for, but he could scan the field in the blink of an eye and find the open receiver. That is the most important trait in quarterback!
For sure! Pocket presence, poise and the “it” factor plus knowing how to throw well timed catchable throws to receivers in stride is not talked about enough. Montana had a great touch and instinct. He didn’t stare down receivers either. Basically, I’ll take Purdy over Lawrence without blinking because of this
Every year draft time, I see scouts drooling over a qb’s mechanics, ie caleb Williams, and these scouts have no idea what is between the ears. I wish I could be a scout!
The myth of Urban Myer being a disaster as a coach in his rookie year with the jags makes for a convenient whipping boy for the sports media, but had Trevor looked like Marino as a rookie and the generational talent everyone in the media was screaming he was, Urban would have kept his job and probably been hailed as a genius. Trevor was horrible as a rookie and got Urban fired.
Urban Meyer lost the locker room he was a horrendous coach I never knew someone would defend him lol
@@jesusblanco7657 Urban was amazing everywhere he coached and then he gets to the NFL and all the sports media talking heads are screaming Trevor Lawrence is a generational talent, he MUST be taken #1 and you MUST start him as a rookie...then Trevor stinks the place up and gets Urban fired.
@@stevefowler2112 but would Trevor have fit into Urban’s Spread Option?
Urban got a lawsuit for assaulting a player but it’s Trevor’s fault he was fired ?
Paying QBs too much esp. the guaranteed money contracts. I can name 4 right off the top of my head that don't deserve their guaranteed contracts: Lawrence, Tua, Dak, and Deshaun Watson. These QB's getting paid for doing absolutely nothing zero zip nata. I probably can find more if I dig into it a little. Kind of 50/50 on Hurts but I think he is over paid also. NFL Offensive has changed run game much more important now with everyone playing cover 2. QB's handing ball off or throwing short to mid level routes you don't need a +50MM dollar a year QB to do that.
When Christian Kirk is your number one receiver, what do they expect?
Please. Trevor has one of the better WR rooms in the league. Has speed in Thomas Jr, possession WR in Davis, one of the best slots with Kirk, and Ingram at te. What does Allen have to throw to?
Excuses Trevor hot garbage stop it!!
He's never been the #1.
Still no excuse
Stop crying sunshine is trash
Haven’t watched any Jags games this year but this comes as a shock.
They're paying this sorry qb the same salary as the GOAT and they're wondering why they're doing so bad.
He has a positive TD to INT ratio against winning teams. Statistically speaking, his numbers look good. The downside I found in the Jaguars team is the DEF is 31st in the league in pts given up. Only the Panthers are worse. Ironically, both the Panthers and Jaguars came into the league in 1993.
Can someone tell me why teams and QBs get worse the longer Doug Pederson coaches a team.
Because he's not a good coach. But I'll defend him Trevor was terrible before he got there.
He’s an excellent coach ruined by Press Taylor
Nick foles is 12-2 with Doug
@@AlexRosner-v8t If he was an Excellent coach he wouldn’t allow a subordinate to ruin his livelihood and reputation. Not to mention lost the locker room which seems to be the case.
@@AlexRosner-v8t Lighting in a botlle
Did the Jaguars crash and burn in a hurry or what? They were one of the best teams in the NFL for three-quarters of a season, then everything just went south after that miraculous comeback against the Chargers.
Trevor Lawrence a DEI hire
Absolutely. Lol
A white one.
And there are others
That how I feel about Lamar.
@@OGtruthserum2X MVP. Cope harder lol
@@OGtruthserumexcept Lamar is actually a good football player.
@@OGtruthserumawww, someone’s a lil slow…
Today's sports media are out of their minds. The NFL is paying these players way too much money for doing fxck all. The whole league is full of players who have no restraint or control.
Supply and demand.
Jags seem to have such a hard time attracting good QB's to play there. They paid a record amount for a backup QB because he won a few playoff games.