In theory that makes sense, but what is "proving it"? Let's say they choose not to extend Lawrence. He leaves. Who takes over that is an improvement? Either they get super lucky in the draft (not likely) or find a discarded free agent from someone else's unwanted list? The other risk is Lawrence goes to a team that isn't a joke (because Jacksonville is a joke) and suddenly plays lights out because he's got a good coach & org around him.
I feel like all the QBs who got paid this off-season are not looking good. Love got hurt, but they are winning with Willis, so did they need to pay him? The money going out without a QB winning a superbowl, mvp, or both is ridiculous.
Chris hit the nail on the head with that line. Look at Justin Jefferson right now. He’s proving that with Sam Freaking Darnold he deserves the bag he got. So many others aren’t living up their expectations.
Here is the thing: if you are a franchise and you look at your quarterback and go "he isn't worth the money" then your franchise doesn't have a quarterback. I don't mean the guy will leave in free agency, he will, and someone else will pay him; I mean that you don't have the guy to lead your franchise on your roster and you will need to go find that guy. You're gonna have to take a swing on another guy in the draft who may or may not work out. You will have to start trading pieces to get draft capital to move and get the guy you think can be the franchise guy or just get rid of the players on roster who are upset suddenly they aren't apart of a competitive organization trying to win anymore. What do you do if you have a coach too? LIke look at the dolphins for example do you think if they decided not to pay tua, and they were going to start trading away talent to get the cap low and to get draft picks for a rebuild do you think a coach like Mike Mcdaniel would want to stick around for that? Put supbar preformances up with a weak roster? in fact having that coach might impeede your ability to tank for a draft pick to get your quarterback. No its too messy to not pay the guys. Especially when another team will for sure pay a dude a fully gaurnteed contract to steal away the qb.
The Panthers were the last place team last year. The Panthers beat the Raiders. The Raiders beat the Ravens. The Ravens beat the Cowboys. The Cowboys beat the Browns. The Browns beat the Jaguars. All this was a really long way of saying, the Jaguars are the de facto worst team this year so far.
As a die hard Jag fan there is a lot going on that is not being reported on national media. There is big fallout between Baalke and Doug. Last week Doug essentially sat out our 2nd round pick as healthy scratch out of spite because he wanted to draft OL at that position and Baalke overruled him… Trevor for first time ever showed frustration last week for the play calling that cost us 2 games and essentially coaching staff has lost the locker room… Just another day in sunny J-Ville. This team is the reason I drink
Trev hasnt been good, but as much as "Doug knows ball" he has a blind spot for Press Taylor. He was his downfall in Philly and his refusal to move away from him is about to cost him another job.
Why is every one blaming Press Taylor? I am sick of it. Doug was calling plays the past 2 games. Doug is an offensive HC who game plans with the OC and they are unable to script plays at the beginning of the game which dont result in a 3 and out. Doug did fire all defensive coaches but decided to keep the offensive coaches (jax fans know that the defense was the reason the jags went 8-3 in the first place because the offense was bad then already) Do i think that Press Taylor is a good OC? No but he is not the reason the jaguars stay there with a terrible o-line, he is also not the reason the jags receivers dropping the most balls in the entire NFL, he also doesn't make the call to go for it on the own 30 yeard line on 4th down, and he also doesn't miss open receivers. You can blame the play calling but last year the jags offense was so bad that there was almost no other way than to call some crack toss and screen plays because that was the only thing which didn't result in a sack or a tackle for -2 yards loss.
The jaguars scored 17 points the first half vs the dolphins behind same oline . The second half they scored zero so what changed? Press Taylor horrible play calling
Trevor Lawrence was the least pressured qb in the nfl last year so your just making things up the reason the offense was so bad because press Taylor called a predictable run and screen every other play
Same oline that allowed Ridley and engram to get a thousand yards but according to your fake lies Trevor had no time so how did he have time to find those guys? Because he was the least pressured qb in nfl press. Taylor cost them 12 points a game
As a Jags fan, I didn't watch last night's game hoping for a win. That would be delusional. I was hoping for a loss so humiliating that it would lead to the HC, OC, and GM all being fired.
@@nathanchildress5596 I'm sure you haven't been following the Jaguars, like most people, but fans have been seeing the offense be woefully inept since the start of the 2023 season. We saw the collapse coming and we saw last night's blowout coming. I'm glad America got to see in primetime what Jags fans have been seeing for a while now.
@@DavidTyler-o6tvery few players making big franchise money have fully guaranteed contracts. Notable example of someone who does is Deshawn Watson, and he’s proving why it’s a terrible idea.
The same exact thing that happened with Doug in Philly is happening in Jacksonville. Had a good first year, had a QB who was showing promise, and then everything just fell apart.
@TheDeadlyefx Yes, and then did exactly what he's currently doing with the Jaguars. Philly was a better them when he took team over than the Jags were.
There's nothing sudden about Lawrence skipping throws and airmailing them. That's what he's been doing his whole career. It's just that nobody remembers anything except that second half against the Chargers. Also of course he was going to suck. It's a game on the road against the best team in football.
Top 5 paid quarterbacks have had a terrible start to the year. Dak: 1-2 for $60m Burrow: 0-3 for $55m Lawrence: 0-3 for $55m Love: 0-1 with him, 2-0 without him for $55m Tua 1-1 with him, 0-1 without him for $53m Starting to make you question whether or not they're worth all that money, or if it should be spread around the team more.
Trent Baalke decided not to address the oline and now Trevor’s getting scared out there. Trent baalke is the issue. He needs to be fired today!! Baalke is destroying the team!
thank you!! this was the only segment on a sports show that ive seen so far that has actually called out trevor lawrence and his garbage play. dude has sucked for 8 consecutive games and it’s crickets from the media. this dude isn’t a bust but he’s overrated af and deserves more scrutiny than he has been getting
If I was the owner of the Jags I would be desperate to get either Ben Johnson from the Lions or B Slowik from the Texans as my HC next season. It feels like Trevor needs one of these really young OC as his HC to help him get out of the doldrums.
Trevor Lawrence overthrew just as many guys as Anthony Richardson did… this is year fkn 4, how long are we gonna keep pretending he’s something he’s never been??
3 of the last 4 drafts had quarterbacks go number 1. Those QBs are Lawrence, Young and Williams and as of this moment all three are struggling. Not a great narrative but at least with Caleb it's still early. The next time we get all this pre-draft hype for a generational QB I'm going to roll my eyes and be skeptical.
And the front office can use that extra money to surround Allen with more talent. That's crucial in winning games. Yes, the blame for a loss tends to fall on the quarterback, but having talent on the rest of the team helps.
@@nancypine9952 This is what I've been thinking for a while. It's INSANE that some of these teams are using 20% or higher of their cap to pay ONE GUY. No matter who it is a QB can't win a game on their own. They need talent around them to achieve success but many seem simply too greedy to realize that.
@@nancypine9952 that's because of when he got paid. If his contract was up, he would be making around the same thing. The contracts are based on next man up these days. Balme the owner for starting this trend
Not sure what's happening with Lawrence, I did not agree with the contract for sure, but the way he is missing layups and making decisions now is not what anyone expected. That game was so brutal to watch and I am not even a Jaguars fan.
I think his confidence is shot. When you're a #1 draft pick QB that's being called the next Peyton Manning, you've probably lived your ENTIRE LIFE with people kissing your feet and treating you like a god. He's probably never experienced real adversity or any SHRED of doubt about himself until now, and it's probably messing his head up. Not saying people should feel sorry for him or anything, but it would make sense as to why his football head all of a sudden is looking scrambled.
He’s has shown for a stretch he can be good. Before the injury last year. He was top 3 but he was good. I think it is confidence and play calling. You see it when they let him really rip and make his own choices it’s there, but the play designs as they’ve been worked are trash.
I'm not overreacting like some of the people here and calling him a bust. That's ridiculous. Something on this team is broken, and it is carrying over into Trevor's game, just like everyone else on the field. We need to clean house in the Front Office and coaching staff.
I got thrown out of a bar in Atlantic Beach, in the Jacksonville area, last year for saying Trevor Lawrence was overrated. They will hype him up, no matter how bad he is.
@@SunShine-xc6dh When Tomlin has that wild look like his eyes are ready to pop out of his head, it has to be motivation for his players to play at a high level.
Rich, you explained the phrase "business decision" to us the other day, and I think it's pretty clear that a lot of the Jags players made business decisions early and often in that game. That's not an indictment on those players, either. When your QB is the obvious reason you can't score any points, and the game starts slipping away that quickly, even tough and dedicated guys have to save themselves for games that actually matter.
The issue was Trevor was touted as a generational talent when he’s not elite at anything. His biggest upside in all reality was he was solid at literally everything Caleb has his mobility and arm Jaden has accuracy and insane speed Allen and mahomes have literally everything Jackson has insane speed and a great arm I know the Caleb one may piss people off but in all reality, those are the most generationally talented QBs to come out the last 7-8 drafts
Everyone who wanted to draft him at number 1. As he was considered a generational talent at QB. His problem he went to the Jags a team that has no clue how to use a QB.
i've never been a big Trevor Lawrence fan, I mean I never saw the "generational talent" that all the sports media talking heads saw, but I kinda give him a pass in this game...I'm a Dolphins fan and the Bills just beat us like drums in Miami, they are really on a roll and playing great on both sides of the ball. With MNF being in Buffalo under these circumstances you have to expect Buffalo is going to delivery a beating to almost any team in teh league.
Rich Eisen school of analysis "I interviewed this coach/player & they were nice to me so I act like they're good." "You have the right guys" Rich, they just aren't nearly as good as you think they are. Christian Kirk is a WR3 on any competent team.
This is why sports media needs to stop throwing out these “generational talent” and “once in a lifetime prospect” taglines every year. These players should earn their stripes first before being given all this media hype and a ridiculous contract.
@@Jaromous That and Burrow at least has a resume to fall back on. He has shown he can get the job done while the others have not. He's the only one paid on merit rather than potential and hope.
Trevor has his bag now and doesn’t care. Watch old press conferences of a loss. Trevor isn't even upset. Gotta fix stuff, move on, get better, whatever. No dog or fire. Brady was throwing tablets, and Pat is yelling at people on the sideline.
Absolutely! What everyone missed outside of Buffalo was the inner turmoil for Josh to respond to Diggs on the sideline. He didn't want to do it in public...argue with his friend or show anger. But Josh learned from it and stepped up and Diggs stepped out.
Thats always been my biggest issue with him. Having physical talent is not the be all end all. The QB has to be a leader of men. I don't think Lawrence has it in him to do it....call guys out, get in their faces....clearly being Mr. Nice and just slamming your helmet does nothing to inspire team mates.
karenhardie1132:. He has been that same way from high school through the NFL. He's not big in showing outward emotions but I can guarantee you he is smoldering inside. You can't make a guy be who he is not. I'll tell you a story about Trevor. My nephew and Trevor were classemates in middle and high school. My nephew played basketball with Trevor in middle school. While he was in middle school I kept hearing about this hotshot qb and that he would be big time in high school. I paid that no attention because the high school already had a qb in waiting and I said that maybe this kid (Trevor) would take over after he left. It didn't take that long. Trevor took over the starting position two or three games in of his freshman year. I thought he got the spot too soon but boy was I wrong. He took the team to the playoffs to face the mighty Buford Wolves. They didn't fare too well against Buford and Trevor got beat up pretty good in that game but he still stood in there and delivered the ball while being pummeled. That is the point that he won me over. This is when they started saying he might be the best qb in the state as a freshman. Anyway here is the story I was really getting at. A week or two after that game my nephew asked if I would take him to his freshman basketball game and I said I would. This game was in the next county. My nephew went to their locker room and I went into the gym and got a seat and waited for the start of the game. A little while later I see my nephew and a couple of his teammates come into the gym. As they came in they were taking off their warm up shooting shirts and threw them at this kid sitting below me and told him to take care of our shirts. The kid said "y'all got jokes" and he started to retrieve the shirts and sat back down. All I noticed about the kid was that he had long blond hair. Later on when I was driving my nephew home I thought that kid who they threw their shirts at look a little familiar. I asked my nephew and he said yes that was Trevor. He was so laid back and unassuming exactly the opposite of how you would think a Big Man of Campus would act after almost taking his team to the state championship. He sat there watching the game by himself. That's who he has always been. To me I see the same guy during those Jaguars after game press conferences that I saw that day.
I remember when the Cubs gave Ryne Sandberg a 1-million-dollar contract when he was like 32 years old and at the near end of his career and everybody was in shock. What nobody knew was management told Ryne that they are now paying hm for all his production in his career with the Cubs. Seems like a fair arrangement to me.
It's interesting because they are 0-3 just like Bangles but most people do not see those two teams the same way. The Jags looked beaten before the game started. I'm not sure what the answer is, but it seems like a bad situation to solve.
I've been bunching these two teams together since last season. They're basically the same team right now, except the Bengals have a proven QB. They have the same cupcake o-line. They have the same injury prone starters. They have the same mid coaching. They're the same exact person.
@@DoNotPassGO Trevor Lawrence was never a great qb, now that they paid him its over for any jags fans. The jags will remain a dumpster fire until a regime change.
The insane money these young QB’s make is just wrong..I know it will never work like this..but..prove how great you are in the pros…then make the big money..just like everyone else does in life..and..I don’t know how good Trevor Lawrence is but let him go to another team to see if he flourishes…if he does..great..if not..he’s done and retires a very RICH man..we have this mentality of oh they are great in college..so they will automatically be great in the pros..we all know it dosen’t work that way…yet we keep on doing it…money and injuries are killing the nfl..almost boring to watch
@proto-geek248 Jags lost under Urban Meyer and he stayed behind to get lap dances at a bar he own by a college girl instead of flying back with the team.
Bills fan here, I was worried pregame cause Jacksonville always plays Bills tough. But the sec I saw a clip of Tony Kahn on the field talkin to Doug Pederson pregame, I knew it was over
trevor lawrence is a perfect example of why the players have to PROVE it consistently .. lawrence was always up and down and the jags fans were always torn on him .. Gave him the bag now you’re locked into it
Neilson (our DC) thinks he's got some never before thought of idea to "keep players fresh" and swap players all game. On top of our top 3 DBs are out. He needs to be gone before he makes this worse
I feel we've entered into a strange time where teams are so desperate for QB play that they'll hamstring themselves by paying 50+ million a year for average QB play, or even good QB play but no postseason success (lookin at you Dak). Other than Mahomes, Allen, and maybe Lamar (again no postseason success), these deals just seem out of desperation. Daniel Jones getting what he's getting? Lawrence? Tua? Dudes will have one year of good QB play, maybe a wildcard win and suddenly they're worth 200 million guaranteed? Then you got a Sam Darnold or Andy Dalton fuckin gun slinging it for pennies on the dollar? Strange.
@@ThePsychoticOtter Allen hasn't been to any more AFC Championship games than Lamar. And he hasn't been able to lead his team to a #1 seed and a Wild Card bye like Lamar, while winning MVP. Wtf are you on about?
@@cr2lives Two first round byes and one playoff win to show for it. 2-4 postseason record vs 5-5, i don't see how this can be an argument what are you on about
@jakestumm4101 he wasn't paid because of his religion. Nothing wrong with the good word, but that shouldn't earn you 55 million a year, when your job is a quarterback in the NFL.
The two biggest problems for the team unfortunately were ignored last offseason. They didn't replace Press Taylor as offensive coordinator, when he clearly deserved to be fired after last year's collapse. And aside from signing Mitch Morse at Center, the Jaguars did nothing to improve an O-line that couldn't open any running lanes or keep Trevor Lawrence upright in the pocket for 3 seconds. Pederson should immediately be taking over play calling duties, but now I fear that won't even be enough to salvage this season.
Trevor Lawrence showed flashes of real brilliance the first year & a half before getting injured. To say he’s in a slump this year so far would be an understatement. 🤨 Whatever has shaken his confidence needs to be corrected. I think he’ll get his act together. I’m sure he will. But negativity is a slippery slope. Things could get worse before they get better.
Doug is SOFT. He has no control over the locker room. We also need to understand that maybe Trevor is NOT that "generational talent" that everyone said he is.
I've been posting this for a few years now - Before the 2021 Draft I thought the Jaguars should trade that #1 pick away for a king's ransom of draft picks and build around Gardner Minshew. Even if you don't think Minshew is any better than Lawrence, they at least could have several more good players moving forward. Doubt Minshew would've commanded a $50+ million extension too....
Trevor be way too calm and collected given all the suckedom he and his team have been displaying. my dude, it is time to step the hell up. show some fiber, gitty up, own it and show me what you got
I never bought into the Tevor Lawrence hype, I'm an Alabama fan and when Clemson beat us in the National Championship and everyone was throwing praise on how great he was because the final score got away, I was saying it was really his Receivers that night dominating the Bama secondary, and Bama's QB being injured.
"... no one's gonna feel sorry for us..." So, my wife told me during the game yesterday that she feels bad for the Jags. Doug, you have ONE person who feels sorry for y'all. One person.
Trevor was a can't miss selection coming out of college. He has loss all confidence. Once you lose your confidence the most basic throws become difficult.
I don’t know why Trevor has been impervious to criticism until now. His expectations were higher than any other qb in the draft and he looks like a complete bust compared to what he was hyped to be
A whole lot of pressure comes with those expectations. I still believe in Trevor because I've watched his whole career since taking his high school team to the playoffs during his freshman season. He played his high school football at one of the more storied programs in the football crazy state of Georgia. He went to the playoffs all four seasons and won two championships. He went to Clemson with all those expectations and won the National Championship during his freshman season. So he is used to expectations being so high. I still believe once he is in a comfortable place he will again rise to the occasion.
That is Press Taylor. He is the offensive coordinator. He makes the game plan, he calls the plays and he designs the plays. That's what offensive coordinator's do. When the Head coach does that then the offensive coordinator's don't get looked at for jobs i.e. Byron Leftwich and Eric Bieniemy. That's why Doug is always downplaying the "who is calling the plays" questions. But Doug is definitely to blame for the team's failure.
This is what happens when you draft for “Image” and catering to a certain demographic. Daniel Jones of NY Giants same situation. SOB looks like “Wall Street.” So they paid him on his image. Some organizations are worried about “the face, the look of the leader.
Ever since week 2 against the Texans his rookie year (I don’t watch much college football games) I told my friends Trevor ain’t worth it. He has bad footwork and he seems panic when they keep blitzing him. Present day I still see the same thing. Wonder why QB coach don’t fix this
Call me crazy but I refuse to believe Lawrence is as bad as we’ve seen early this season. He may never become an elite QB, but I think he can be really good for a lot of years. Needs better coaching and weapons.
The Jags coach needs to help Lawrence get some confidence back and start leaning on the run, and take some pressure off the kid, so he can build some confidence.
Fire Press Taylor to start please. A lot of it was on Trev but i've seen so many throws hit receivers in the hands and they dont grab the ball as well. Its obvious something with the coaches and the players isnt clicking together, it looks like the locker room has been lost.
Doug aint the problem with that team. Ive seen so many fans complaining. Your QB has to play better. He missed easy completions, OL is terrible and defense looks lost.
Not taking OL in the draft was not a good decision. Some of it is on TL, but he has no time to throw right now. Not to mention the OC/play calling issues.
I hope Rich never stops the Urban Meyer shots, it’s my favorite recurring segment
@@ryanscafuri7112 It's tired
@@jeromemaida4933I’ll never not laugh
Michigan fan he salty lol
there’s just something so relaxing about listening to rich eisen talk about football
“This is why you make them prove it!” That is the best statement made.
Was so good that even Rich was speechless..
In theory that makes sense, but what is "proving it"? Let's say they choose not to extend Lawrence. He leaves. Who takes over that is an improvement? Either they get super lucky in the draft (not likely) or find a discarded free agent from someone else's unwanted list? The other risk is Lawrence goes to a team that isn't a joke (because Jacksonville is a joke) and suddenly plays lights out because he's got a good coach & org around him.
My version is "Make 'em earn it".
@@johnchedsey1306 He leaves? When? Bro is under contract for 1-2 more years, plus franchise tag option.
"At least your coach flew with the team" 😂😂
Yea I felt that hard lol
@@marcelmartins5938 yeah I bet he didn't want to tho
The team needs a break at the Chop House to get their mind right or something
Yes, the bar is set this low
That's the main takeaway; stop paying these quarterbacks to insane contracts, make them prove it, that was well said
I feel like all the QBs who got paid this off-season are not looking good. Love got hurt, but they are winning with Willis, so did they need to pay him? The money going out without a QB winning a superbowl, mvp, or both is ridiculous.
@@JesusSaves373Let’s not pretend that Malik Willis is as good as Jordan Love
Chris hit the nail on the head with that line. Look at Justin Jefferson right now. He’s proving that with Sam Freaking Darnold he deserves the bag he got. So many others aren’t living up their expectations.
You also don't ask the taxpayers of Jacksonville to foot the bill for a TWO BILLION dollar stadium!
Here is the thing: if you are a franchise and you look at your quarterback and go "he isn't worth the money" then your franchise doesn't have a quarterback. I don't mean the guy will leave in free agency, he will, and someone else will pay him; I mean that you don't have the guy to lead your franchise on your roster and you will need to go find that guy. You're gonna have to take a swing on another guy in the draft who may or may not work out. You will have to start trading pieces to get draft capital to move and get the guy you think can be the franchise guy or just get rid of the players on roster who are upset suddenly they aren't apart of a competitive organization trying to win anymore. What do you do if you have a coach too? LIke look at the dolphins for example do you think if they decided not to pay tua, and they were going to start trading away talent to get the cap low and to get draft picks for a rebuild do you think a coach like Mike Mcdaniel would want to stick around for that? Put supbar preformances up with a weak roster? in fact having that coach might impeede your ability to tank for a draft pick to get your quarterback. No its too messy to not pay the guys. Especially when another team will for sure pay a dude a fully gaurnteed contract to steal away the qb.
The Panthers were the last place team last year. The Panthers beat the Raiders. The Raiders beat the Ravens. The Ravens beat the Cowboys. The Cowboys beat the Browns. The Browns beat the Jaguars. All this was a really long way of saying, the Jaguars are the de facto worst team this year so far.
Dude good analysis...were you high when you wrote this ??😂
@@slyhuot I wish. Lol
@@RatedAwesome loll
As a die hard Jag fan there is a lot going on that is not being reported on national media.
There is big fallout between Baalke and Doug. Last week Doug essentially sat out our 2nd round pick as healthy scratch out of spite because he wanted to draft OL at that position and Baalke overruled him… Trevor for first time ever showed frustration last week for the play calling that cost us 2 games and essentially coaching staff has lost the locker room…
Just another day in sunny J-Ville. This team is the reason I drink
You don't even need a source because I trust you bro.
It's a shame. Doug really turned it around in 2022.
Sounds like another reset
You forget the part where Trevor leads the league in turnovers since entering the league??
Tbh damn
Dolphins fan here. It’s no brighter in this part of the state
Trev hasnt been good, but as much as "Doug knows ball" he has a blind spot for Press Taylor. He was his downfall in Philly and his refusal to move away from him is about to cost him another job.
Why is every one blaming Press Taylor? I am sick of it. Doug was calling plays the past 2 games. Doug is an offensive HC who game plans with the OC and they are unable to script plays at the beginning of the game which dont result in a 3 and out. Doug did fire all defensive coaches but decided to keep the offensive coaches (jax fans know that the defense was the reason the jags went 8-3 in the first place because the offense was bad then already)
Do i think that Press Taylor is a good OC? No but he is not the reason the jaguars stay there with a terrible o-line, he is also not the reason the jags receivers dropping the most balls in the entire NFL, he also doesn't make the call to go for it on the own 30 yeard line on 4th down, and he also doesn't miss open receivers.
You can blame the play calling but last year the jags offense was so bad that there was almost no other way than to call some crack toss and screen plays because that was the only thing which didn't result in a sack or a tackle for -2 yards loss.
Press Taylor called plays the last 2 games not Doug
The jaguars scored 17 points the first half vs the dolphins behind same oline . The second half they scored zero so what changed? Press Taylor horrible play calling
Trevor Lawrence was the least pressured qb in the nfl last year so your just making things up the reason the offense was so bad because press Taylor called a predictable run and screen every other play
Same oline that allowed Ridley and engram to get a thousand yards but according to your fake lies Trevor had no time so how did he have time to find those guys? Because he was the least pressured qb in nfl press. Taylor cost them 12 points a game
As a Jags fan, I didn't watch last night's game hoping for a win. That would be delusional. I was hoping for a loss so humiliating that it would lead to the HC, OC, and GM all being fired.
I think you got it. (Fingers crossed).
They should take that qb out the door with them
I don’t know why I’m arguing, I don’t care about the Jags, but it truly is the same team that won in years past, so maybe it’s just a slump?
@@nathanchildress5596 I'm sure you haven't been following the Jaguars, like most people, but fans have been seeing the offense be woefully inept since the start of the 2023 season. We saw the collapse coming and we saw last night's blowout coming. I'm glad America got to see in primetime what Jags fans have been seeing for a while now.
The owner won’t fire his son
Incentive based contracts would really improve the quality of performance in the league
That’s what most contracts are
@@captainspartan04 oh.. 🤔 it just seems otherwise cause just abt every other day someone complaining abt guaranteed bread lol
@@DavidTyler-o6tvery few players making big franchise money have fully guaranteed contracts. Notable example of someone who does is Deshawn Watson, and he’s proving why it’s a terrible idea.
the real issue is that trevor lawrence gets paid more than josh allen
Is that the issue? Or is it that he hasn’t really gotten better in 2 years
and he stinks
Trevor is a bust
Preach
@@TheCephalonwas never that good. Looks good in college when 99% of the competition is no where near the skil level for the pros
Lots of overpaid QBs in the NFL. Let them prove themselves first
Quarterbacks get too much credit when teams win, too much blame when they lose.
The same exact thing that happened with Doug in Philly is happening in Jacksonville. Had a good first year, had a QB who was showing promise, and then everything just fell apart.
Wait….didn’t he win a Super Bowl in Philly???
@TheDeadlyefx Yes, and then did exactly what he's currently doing with the Jaguars. Philly was a better them when he took team over than the Jags were.
There's nothing sudden about Lawrence skipping throws and airmailing them. That's what he's been doing his whole career. It's just that nobody remembers anything except that second half against the Chargers.
Also of course he was going to suck. It's a game on the road against the best team in football.
Not gonna lie, you had me in the first half.
The QB position requires a salary cap.
Every position needs a cap. That increases as the cap does.
Oh that will fix it.
No. Why protect idiot owners from themselve
That was suggested in a recent owners' meeting but was voted against.
Why? If a team wants to overpay a qb, let them. Why should teams with great qbs not have to sacrifice a good roster to pay their qb?
Top 5 paid quarterbacks have had a terrible start to the year.
Dak: 1-2 for $60m
Burrow: 0-3 for $55m
Lawrence: 0-3 for $55m
Love: 0-1 with him, 2-0 without him for $55m
Tua 1-1 with him, 0-1 without him for $53m
Starting to make you question whether or not they're worth all that money, or if it should be spread around the team more.
Burrow is ok. The rest is useless
The dolphins without Tua are evidence that Tua deserved to be paid. They are HORRIBLE without him.
@@arturocanga4764 Burrow is better than OK.
Watson?
You forgot the biggest fraud of all, Deshaun Watson 67mil
Trent Baalke decided not to address the oline and now Trevor’s getting scared out there. Trent baalke is the issue. He needs to be fired today!! Baalke is destroying the team!
I do believe that this is the main source first and foremost
thank you!! this was the only segment on a sports show that ive seen so far that has actually called out trevor lawrence and his garbage play. dude has sucked for 8 consecutive games and it’s crickets from the media. this dude isn’t a bust but he’s overrated af and deserves more scrutiny than he has been getting
Thanks for the positivity today. I needed it after last night
If I was the owner of the Jags I would be desperate to get either Ben Johnson from the Lions or B Slowik from the Texans as my HC next season. It feels like Trevor needs one of these really young OC as his HC to help him get out of the doldrums.
Trevor Lawrence overthrew just as many guys as Anthony Richardson did… this is year fkn 4, how long are we gonna keep pretending he’s something he’s never been??
Minshew has more tds than Trevor.
3 of the last 4 drafts had quarterbacks go number 1. Those QBs are Lawrence, Young and Williams and as of this moment all three are struggling. Not a great narrative but at least with Caleb it's still early. The next time we get all this pre-draft hype for a generational QB I'm going to roll my eyes and be skeptical.
Jayden Daniels balled out last night against the Bengals. Didn't he go #2 in the draft? I think this will put pressure on the names you mentioned.
Trevor making $12 million/year MORE than Josh Allen 😂😂😂
And the front office can use that extra money to surround Allen with more talent. That's crucial in winning games. Yes, the blame for a loss tends to fall on the quarterback, but having talent on the rest of the team helps.
@@nancypine9952 This is what I've been thinking for a while. It's INSANE that some of these teams are using 20% or higher of their cap to pay ONE GUY.
No matter who it is a QB can't win a game on their own. They need talent around them to achieve success but many seem simply too greedy to realize that.
@@nancypine9952 lol Lawrence probably has better weapons this year
@@nancypine9952 that's because of when he got paid. If his contract was up, he would be making around the same thing. The contracts are based on next man up these days. Balme the owner for starting this trend
Anyone would take less to win and get the hell out of buffalo
When will they fix the mic that keeps ringing.
Too expensive
Pro tip: listen to this show in 1.25x speed. Perfect speed.
Not sure what's happening with Lawrence, I did not agree with the contract for sure, but the way he is missing layups and making decisions now is not what anyone expected. That game was so brutal to watch and I am not even a Jaguars fan.
He a bust! Josh hines Allen not worth the money neither. Walker a bust and so is Tyson
Is there an annulment period for new contracts?
I think his confidence is shot. When you're a #1 draft pick QB that's being called the next Peyton Manning, you've probably lived your ENTIRE LIFE with people kissing your feet and treating you like a god. He's probably never experienced real adversity or any SHRED of doubt about himself until now, and it's probably messing his head up. Not saying people should feel sorry for him or anything, but it would make sense as to why his football head all of a sudden is looking scrambled.
He’s has shown for a stretch he can be good. Before the injury last year. He was top 3 but he was good. I think it is confidence and play calling. You see it when they let him really rip and make his own choices it’s there, but the play designs as they’ve been worked are trash.
I'm not overreacting like some of the people here and calling him a bust. That's ridiculous. Something on this team is broken, and it is carrying over into Trevor's game, just like everyone else on the field. We need to clean house in the Front Office and coaching staff.
I got thrown out of a bar in Atlantic Beach, in the Jacksonville area, last year for saying Trevor Lawrence was overrated. They will hype him up, no matter how bad he is.
0:03 Now Rich sighs like Skip. Hilarious 🤣😅
Keep hating on Urban Meyer, he deserves all the smoke ad infinitum
Remember when people were saying that Justin Fields was a bust, and that Trevor Lawrence actually deserved his big contract...?
I remember.
I bet Tomlin could win with Lawrence too. Dude wins no matter which bum os taking snaps
@@SunShine-xc6dh When Tomlin has that wild look like his eyes are ready to pop out of his head, it has to be motivation for his players to play at a high level.
Rich, you explained the phrase "business decision" to us the other day, and I think it's pretty clear that a lot of the Jags players made business decisions early and often in that game. That's not an indictment on those players, either. When your QB is the obvious reason you can't score any points, and the game starts slipping away that quickly, even tough and dedicated guys have to save themselves for games that actually matter.
The issue was Trevor was touted as a generational talent when he’s not elite at anything. His biggest upside in all reality was he was solid at literally everything
Caleb has his mobility and arm
Jaden has accuracy and insane speed
Allen and mahomes have literally everything
Jackson has insane speed and a great arm
I know the Caleb one may piss people off but in all reality, those are the most generationally talented QBs to come out the last 7-8 drafts
I feel like Caleb's ceiling is Kyler Murray. Yes to the rest.
I can’t believe anyone thought that dude was worth 55mil.
Everyone who wanted to draft him at number 1. As he was considered a generational talent at QB. His problem he went to the Jags a team that has no clue how to use a QB.
Lawrence has a long slow wind up, needs to get rid of the ball far quicker. Or move in pocket better
If i am any other team in that division I would think its a good thing they gave him all that money. Now there is less to spend on true talent.
i've never been a big Trevor Lawrence fan, I mean I never saw the "generational talent" that all the sports media talking heads saw, but I kinda give him a pass in this game...I'm a Dolphins fan and the Bills just beat us like drums in Miami, they are really on a roll and playing great on both sides of the ball. With MNF being in Buffalo under these circumstances you have to expect Buffalo is going to delivery a beating to almost any team in teh league.
Rich Eisen school of analysis "I interviewed this coach/player & they were nice to me so I act like they're good." "You have the right guys"
Rich, they just aren't nearly as good as you think they are. Christian Kirk is a WR3 on any competent team.
@@mattr2118 Thank you.
This is why sports media needs to stop throwing out these “generational talent” and “once in a lifetime prospect” taglines every year. These players should earn their stripes first before being given all this media hype and a ridiculous contract.
The owners need to stop listening to these pundits on TV.
This happened to the highest paid QBs this season (Dak, Trevor, Joe B, Watson.)
Karma for those teams that overpaid for mediocre quarterbacks
The difference is Burrow has been putting up numbers after week 1, our defense is just horrendous
@@Jaromous That and Burrow at least has a resume to fall back on. He has shown he can get the job done while the others have not. He's the only one paid on merit rather than potential and hope.
Of those guys, only Burrow earned it.
@@ernieallison3141 Now show me Burrow's 4th qtr playoff stats. Zero (0) TD's. Zero.
Zilch
It don’t get any better cos they’re AT HOUSTON AT THE STROUD HOUSE coming off a bruising loss in Minnesota
Trevor has his bag now and doesn’t care. Watch old press conferences of a loss. Trevor isn't even upset. Gotta fix stuff, move on, get better, whatever. No dog or fire. Brady was throwing tablets, and Pat is yelling at people on the sideline.
Absolutely! What everyone missed outside of Buffalo was the inner turmoil for Josh to respond to Diggs on the sideline. He didn't want to do it in public...argue with his friend or show anger. But Josh learned from it and stepped up and Diggs stepped out.
Thats always been my biggest issue with him. Having physical talent is not the be all end all. The QB has to be a leader of men. I don't think Lawrence has it in him to do it....call guys out, get in their faces....clearly being Mr. Nice and just slamming your helmet does nothing to inspire team mates.
I mean trevor lawrence did say before he got drafted that football isn't his top priority and said he would walk away from if he wants
karenhardie1132:. He has been that same way from high school through the NFL. He's not big in showing outward emotions but I can guarantee you he is smoldering inside. You can't make a guy be who he is not. I'll tell you a story about Trevor. My nephew and Trevor were classemates in middle and high school. My nephew played basketball with Trevor in middle school. While he was in middle school I kept hearing about this hotshot qb and that he would be big time in high school. I paid that no attention because the high school already had a qb in waiting and I said that maybe this kid (Trevor) would take over after he left. It didn't take that long. Trevor took over the starting position two or three games in of his freshman year. I thought he got the spot too soon but boy was I wrong. He took the team to the playoffs to face the mighty Buford Wolves. They didn't fare too well against Buford and Trevor got beat up pretty good in that game but he still stood in there and delivered the ball while being pummeled. That is the point that he won me over. This is when they started saying he might be the best qb in the state as a freshman. Anyway here is the story I was really getting at. A week or two after that game my nephew asked if I would take him to his freshman basketball game and I said I would. This game was in the next county. My nephew went to their locker room and I went into the gym and got a seat and waited for the start of the game. A little while later I see my nephew and a couple of his teammates come into the gym. As they came in they were taking off their warm up shooting shirts and threw them at this kid sitting below me and told him to take care of our shirts. The kid said "y'all got jokes" and he started to retrieve the shirts and sat back down. All I noticed about the kid was that he had long blond hair. Later on when I was driving my nephew home I thought that kid who they threw their shirts at look a little familiar. I asked my nephew and he said yes that was Trevor. He was so laid back and unassuming exactly the opposite of how you would think a Big Man of Campus would act after almost taking his team to the state championship. He sat there watching the game by himself. That's who he has always been. To me I see the same guy during those Jaguars after game press conferences that I saw that day.
I remember when the Cubs gave Ryne Sandberg a 1-million-dollar contract when he was like 32 years old and at the near end of his career and everybody was in shock. What nobody knew was management told Ryne that they are now paying hm for all his production in his career with the Cubs. Seems like a fair arrangement to me.
It's interesting because they are 0-3 just like Bangles but most people do not see those two teams the same way. The Jags looked beaten before the game started. I'm not sure what the answer is, but it seems like a bad situation to solve.
I've been bunching these two teams together since last season. They're basically the same team right now, except the Bengals have a proven QB. They have the same cupcake o-line. They have the same injury prone starters. They have the same mid coaching. They're the same exact person.
@@DoNotPassGO Trevor Lawrence was never a great qb, now that they paid him its over for any jags fans. The jags will remain a dumpster fire until a regime change.
The insane money these young QB’s make is just wrong..I know it will never work like this..but..prove how great you are in the pros…then make the big money..just like everyone else does in life..and..I don’t know how good Trevor Lawrence is but let him go to another team to see if he flourishes…if he does..great..if not..he’s done and retires a very RICH man..we have this mentality of oh they are great in college..so they will automatically be great in the pros..we all know it dosen’t work that way…yet we keep on doing it…money and injuries are killing the nfl..almost boring to watch
I know the fly back joke was coming….
What's the story with that?
He can’t let that go. Urban is a lot of things but his team kicked Michigan around every year he was there and Rich hates him for that 🤷🏼♂️😮
@proto-geek248 Jags lost under Urban Meyer and he stayed behind to get lap dances at a bar he own by a college girl instead of flying back with the team.
Defenses often depend on how long their offense can stay on the field. They get tired out otherwise
Bills opened with a 11 play scoring drive they were tired because they couldn’t get off the field themselves
Getting a ring no longer outweighs the bag for these guys.
Absolutely
Just because he’s better than urban Meyer doesn’t mean he’s good
@@TheCephalon Exactly. Rich bringing up Meyer is tedious at this point.
The buzz is so bad this video, please fix
Bills fan here, I was worried pregame cause Jacksonville always plays Bills tough. But the sec I saw a clip of Tony Kahn on the field talkin to Doug Pederson pregame, I knew it was over
Tony Kahn is another clown. Even ruined his own side show wrestling league. Unfortunately for us, we can't fire the owner.
trevor lawrence is a perfect example of why the players have to PROVE it consistently .. lawrence was always up and down and the jags fans were always torn on him .. Gave him the bag now you’re locked into it
Neilson (our DC) thinks he's got some never before thought of idea to "keep players fresh" and swap players all game. On top of our top 3 DBs are out. He needs to be gone before he makes this worse
Exactly we just paid Josh Hines allen this money but he’s not on the field
I feel we've entered into a strange time where teams are so desperate for QB play that they'll hamstring themselves by paying 50+ million a year for average QB play, or even good QB play but no postseason success (lookin at you Dak). Other than Mahomes, Allen, and maybe Lamar (again no postseason success), these deals just seem out of desperation. Daniel Jones getting what he's getting? Lawrence? Tua?
Dudes will have one year of good QB play, maybe a wildcard win and suddenly they're worth 200 million guaranteed? Then you got a Sam Darnold or Andy Dalton fuckin gun slinging it for pennies on the dollar? Strange.
I'd add Burrow to that list, if he can stay healthy, but I agree with your general sentiment.
Lamar has just as much postseason success as Allen, if not more. He's been to the AFC Championship game more recently than Allen.
@@cr2lives Lamar is 2-4 Allen is 5-5 what are you on about
@@ThePsychoticOtter Allen hasn't been to any more AFC Championship games than Lamar. And he hasn't been able to lead his team to a #1 seed and a Wild Card bye like Lamar, while winning MVP. Wtf are you on about?
@@cr2lives Two first round byes and one playoff win to show for it. 2-4 postseason record vs 5-5, i don't see how this can be an argument what are you on about
Anyone else remember before he was drafted Trevor Lawrence saying he didn't need football? Is his head really in it?
You only need the word of God
@jakestumm4101 he wasn't paid because of his religion. Nothing wrong with the good word, but that shouldn't earn you 55 million a year, when your job is a quarterback in the NFL.
The DC switches out players to keep them “fresh” but it’s only back firing
“At least your coach flew back with the team” 😂😂😂😂
I mean the whole team looked uninterested, it was frankly shocking to see
The two biggest problems for the team unfortunately were ignored last offseason. They didn't replace Press Taylor as offensive coordinator, when he clearly deserved to be fired after last year's collapse. And aside from signing Mitch Morse at Center, the Jaguars did nothing to improve an O-line that couldn't open any running lanes or keep Trevor Lawrence upright in the pocket for 3 seconds. Pederson should immediately be taking over play calling duties, but now I fear that won't even be enough to salvage this season.
He can’t read the defense very well. Only a couple of times did he change the play calling.
Trevor Lawrence showed flashes of real brilliance the first year & a half before getting injured. To say he’s in a slump this year so far would be an understatement. 🤨 Whatever has shaken his confidence needs to be corrected. I think he’ll get his act together. I’m sure he will. But negativity is a slippery slope. Things could get worse before they get better.
That 2021 QB class is just straight up cursed. I don't know why or how, but it's the ONLY explanation for how many QBs from 21 have flamed out
One day I want to be as good at my job as Tua, Dak, Kirk and Trevor and be compensated accordingly.
Apparently, football is not Trevor's favorite thing to do... it shows.
Doug is SOFT. He has no control over the locker room. We also need to understand that maybe Trevor is NOT that "generational talent" that everyone said he is.
Maybe Trevor needs a hair cut and quit worrying about being pretty.
Yeah I would be nervous if I was a Jaguars fan cause that contract is fresh!?! 55 million a year hits hard!
I've been posting this for a few years now - Before the 2021 Draft I thought the Jaguars should trade that #1 pick away for a king's ransom of draft picks and build around Gardner Minshew. Even if you don't think Minshew is any better than Lawrence, they at least could have several more good players moving forward. Doubt Minshew would've commanded a $50+ million extension too....
Trevor be way too calm and collected given all the suckedom he and his team have been displaying. my dude, it is time to step the hell up. show some fiber, gitty up, own it and show me what you got
Trevor looks like he should be surfing & say “catch the waves brah!!”🤙🏻
I never bought into the Tevor Lawrence hype, I'm an Alabama fan and when Clemson beat us in the National Championship and everyone was throwing praise on how great he was because the final score got away, I was saying it was really his Receivers that night dominating the Bama secondary, and Bama's QB being injured.
So much for brian thomas..
Its the coaching and GM. I want you to go look at the starting CB and think to yourself. Why haven’t we gotten anybody else?
Sometime I think Rich love these high draft QB picks too much. Being taken in the top 3 doesn't mean that you're good.
Finally someone in media calling out urban liar 👍
Trevor Lawrence still had 2 years left but still they gave him an extention ... not to mention making him the 2nd highest paid QB is crazy!!
I feeel bad for the Jags. They've got such a humble QB and a good coach but for whatever reason, they just can't seem to win games.
"... no one's gonna feel sorry for us..."
So, my wife told me during the game yesterday that she feels bad for the Jags. Doug, you have ONE person who feels sorry for y'all.
One person.
😂😂😂
I don’t know man, I am starting to feel bad for them. The fans at least, that has to suck
Could Trevor possibly be a Coach Killer? Had Trevor played like Marino as a rookie, Urban Myer may still be their coach and being hailed as a genius.
NFL needs to implement some sort of max contract cap like the NBA does.
Trevor was a can't miss selection coming out of college. He has loss all confidence. Once you lose your confidence the most basic throws become difficult.
Chris talks out of both sides of his mouth.
“This is why you don’t pay guys like Lawrence!”
…
“They could rattle off 4 wins in a row!”
💀 What man.
Lot of microphone feedback lately
theres a difference between AR struggling and TLaw struggling, ones a 22 year old project and there other is one of the highest paid QBs
I don’t know why Trevor has been impervious to criticism until now. His expectations were higher than any other qb in the draft and he looks like a complete bust compared to what he was hyped to be
A whole lot of pressure comes with those expectations. I still believe in Trevor because I've watched his whole career since taking his high school team to the playoffs during his freshman season. He played his high school football at one of the more storied programs in the football crazy state of Georgia. He went to the playoffs all four seasons and won two championships. He went to Clemson with all those expectations and won the National Championship during his freshman season. So he is used to expectations being so high. I still believe once he is in a comfortable place he will again rise to the occasion.
I love Doug too. But his play design, lack of motions, and misses while investing in OL/DL has directly resulted in the current state of the Jags
That is Press Taylor. He is the offensive coordinator. He makes the game plan, he calls the plays and he designs the plays. That's what offensive coordinator's do. When the Head coach does that then the offensive coordinator's don't get looked at for jobs i.e. Byron Leftwich and Eric Bieniemy. That's why Doug is always downplaying the "who is calling the plays" questions. But Doug is definitely to blame for the team's failure.
This is what happens when you draft for “Image” and catering to a certain demographic. Daniel Jones of NY Giants same situation. SOB looks like “Wall Street.” So they paid him on his image. Some organizations are worried about “the face, the look of the leader.
This one hurt
mf makes 55 mill per cant feel too hurt lol lol
Ever since week 2 against the Texans his rookie year (I don’t watch much college football games) I told my friends Trevor ain’t worth it. He has bad footwork and he seems panic when they keep blitzing him. Present day I still see the same thing. Wonder why QB coach don’t fix this
Call me crazy but I refuse to believe Lawrence is as bad as we’ve seen early this season. He may never become an elite QB, but I think he can be really good for a lot of years. Needs better coaching and weapons.
Jaguar fan here… 😂😂😂
Jacksonville should have made Trevor prove it this season and now we’re stuck!!!!
The Jags coach needs to help Lawrence get some confidence back and start leaning on the run, and take some pressure off the kid, so he can build some confidence.
Jags defense doesn't stop the Bills one time.
Rich Eisen: How could Trevor Lawrence do this?
7:04 YES. Thank you! Finally a show brings this up lol. Once the players have the bag, the don’t even try (my opinion) or lose all competitive drive
He's not overrated...he sucks...he got the money...set for life
Definitely needs to be a salary cap at the quarterback position
No player should be worth more than 7% of total team annual salary
Coaches who wear visors never last. Gruden, McDaniels, pederson etc
Fire Press Taylor to start please. A lot of it was on Trev but i've seen so many throws hit receivers in the hands and they dont grab the ball as well. Its obvious something with the coaches and the players isnt clicking together, it looks like the locker room has been lost.
GENERATIONAL TALENT TREVOR LAWRENCE
Doug aint the problem with that team. Ive seen so many fans complaining. Your QB has to play better. He missed easy completions, OL is terrible and defense looks lost.
Not taking OL in the draft was not a good decision. Some of it is on TL, but he has no time to throw right now. Not to mention the OC/play calling issues.
Bills are fucking teams up so bad. the last 2 games you got the Dolphins and Jags both questioning their coaches and QBs