Jazz Pianist Reacts to Metal - Periphery's Rhythms
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Send me your recommendations for stuff to check out! Also, links to check out Misha's channel and Tigran's channel up in the description!
Argentina music
Check out polyphia I think you'll get a kick out of the compositional components
It would be awesome if you descontruct one of your pieces, Seize for example, its and amazing song
Charles Cornell You could take a look at some songs by System of a Down. They have Armenian origins, and their music is really heavily influenced by that. That includes the rhythmic aspects of several songs ;) would be great
Great video as always, by the way
You should listen to Dream Theatre specifically The Dance of Eternity is what I think is one of their most impressive songs
Charles: ye, I have friends who are really into that stuff. Like Misha Mansoor.
Right?? Lol
Dropping that on us reaaaal casually :P
Hahaha dude. Laughed out loud fukn hard.
I have a friend who's into religion. His names god......
He might as well have said "I have friends who really ARE that stuff, like Misha Mansoor"
Love ya, pal! Awesome video and explanation. Now that you are done with this let’s play some ACC!
oh hai Misha
halo ther
Racing with you guys and Russ from Twelve Foot Ninja would be the coolest thing in the universe..
Dude fucking fuck yeah. Thank you for exploring Periphery! The Prog scene is so fucking good right now. Maybe check out Plini? 🎨👌🏼🔥😍
@misha mansoor tell him about carbomb. p l e a s e
Love that you picked Satellites - it's definitely my favorite song from PIV. Someday - SOMEDAY - I will hit that high note from the middle section...
No way you're a metalhead too?!?
Ok this video is too much of a head spinner, so Thomas is a metal head, Charles knows misha, Thomas actually SINGS METAL (LIKE WTF) WHAT IS GOING ON???
@@iurigrang it feels like a fever dream
woah wtf is happening
Same
I like how Misha seems to be friends with every other musician
Yeah, Misha knows every other person and Nolly knows the other half 🤣
Expectation: Laughing at a jazz musician because he doesn't understand metal.
Reality: Getting schooled by a jazz musician who understands metal at a deeper level than I knew existed.
Ahhhhh you are not alone my friend! 😂
“I don’t know the confines of prog metal” hey man don’t sweat they don’t even know...
ASHJDASASGD yeah
Indeed, no boundaries we have 🤘😁
Prog is a big word
Prog is defined by its lack of definition. Which is why I love it so much
Nobody ever will; metal sub-genres are as subjective as it gets
Never thought I'd hear Charles say MESHUGGAH. I can sleep happily.
You analyzing Opeth's progression into jazz would be cool. Checking out a song from every album and talking about them or just the last 4 albums.
I'd love for him to make a video about Opeth
As a big jazz fan myself, I find prog rock super fascinating, every tune is like a rhythmic rubik's cube. 'The Endless Knot' by Haken is a great example. The end of that tune has the lead guitarist playing in 5/4, the drummer playing in 4/4, and then another guitarist pumping away this crazy 8 on 10 polyrhythm, so sick!
Charles: what are the confines of prog metal?
Prog metal: yes
Yes like the band? They're pretty prog! (I'm kidding I knew what you meant)
Nicholas Marchese I came here to make this joke
Shouldn't it be no?
@@Anjiruu same.
proggers
You can't react to Periphery without appreciating Spencer's vocals
not live though...
@@LewisRoberts93 wrong
@@LewisRoberts93 sounded great live when I saw them.
Of the 3 or 4 times I've been able to see them over the last decade, Sponce has maybe "not landed" one or two songs. Add to that the fact that the vocal arrangement asks for SO MUCH and he's had this good of success rate (with me) leads me to believe that the criticism is more blind (er, deaf) Sponce hating.
Periphery is SO fantastic. Such a great option for someone with your musical knowledge.
I love how you were just smiling while listening to Periphery, and really enjoying it. You are precious MUST PROTECT
Polyphia especially the drumming has a lot of jazz elements to their sound
The use the shit out of 251 progressions
@@jacksonp2397 right yes absolutely they use a lot of 251 in their drumming
@@valkarez1137 My research said that 251 is a typical jazz chord progression, what has this to do with polyphias rhythm?
What parts do you mean? The newer stuff has a lot of trap features but that might also be influenced by jazz?
@@nutellajunkie8848 I was referring to the structure of the song how each musician had their own little solo parts while others stepped back during that time and the drumming just had that improvisation feel to it.
“Their dogs were astronauts” made an excellent riff, with only one note, on the songs “Yesterday’s Tomorrow,” and “Section X” (the motif returns and changes slightly.) have a listen to that
and contortionist
You should have a listen to "The Contortionist - Language I & II" and then the "Rediscovered" version of "Language" . I'd love to see you react to that ! Also, Gojira.
Language by The Contortionist: One of my favorites of the decade.
The way Charles sinks into the frame at 0:06 is hilarious
Good god, thank you for showing me Periphery. I have been so removed from metal for years and this hooked me right back in. :D My roots are entrenched in various genres of metal, but for the past few years now I've been branching and and not looking back. This, is like a breath of fresh air.
Being a fan since their first album, it's been so fascinating to have my taste develop along with their development as a band and their sound! Some stuff I really dig, other stuff I don't like at all, but I like the general direction they're going.
You should check out “Thank You Scientist”!! They are a prog-metal jazz fusion band - I could recommend so many songs but For an instrumental: “Rube Goldberg Variations” is a great track, and for one with vocals? “Swarm” is one of my Favourites “Psychopomp” is a fantastic one too but there are so many to choose from!
Forget those Chromology is the way to go for absolute jazzification
I was gonna say. You missing out chromology is a huge misstep lmao
Thepeacemaker6342 how could I forget lmao - just listen to all the songs and you won’t be dissapointed
Blood on the Radio’s hella dissonant parts make me do the squinchy jazz face every time
Bluecoats 2017?
He’s the captain now, you heard him. And what a talented captain he is. *Ya like jazz?*
You absolutely blew my mind doing three rhythms at once. One with each hand and then vocalizing the third. You did it so casually but it shows such a huge amount of skill. So awesome!
I feel like whenever you said "Metal", you meant "Prog Metal", because vanilla metal (heavy metal, power metal, etc) is a lot more "normal" when it comes to rhythms. And I feel like that kinda _is_ what makes prog metal prog metal. Complex rhythms and harmonies... Of course different metal has that as well, but I feel like for prog metal it's a defining feature.
@Jeff T Also, you have to have at least a couple songs that are over the 20 minute mark lol
@@barmetler I feel like most popular metal bands today are prog bands tho... For what I can think I may just be having a blonde moment
@@someperson9052 There's still tons of power metal heads, or thrash, heavy metal, black metal, death metal, metalcore, nightcore, etc...
I think there are honestly more death metal people than prog people. At least where I live, I am the only person that even knows who periphery are, I don't have a single friend that is into prog. Might be different where you're from, idk
@@barmetler yeah good point, I think you're right
Periphery is my husband's favorite band and one of my favorite. We saw them live last year and it was SO GOOD! those dudes are so fun to watch and silly, Misha gave another member a kiss on the cheek while playing.
I wanna see Charles’ mind be blown from listening to The Dance of Eternity by Dream Theater. All those time signature changes...
DUDE!
Thank you so much for getting me onto Periphery! Incredibly fantastic stuff!
Math Rock. ‘Tis a real thing.
Chon
You’re welcome.
And it's great, really really great
There's also that one band with the house on the cover.
I'm just Never Meant to say their name.
This
COVET. also a dope band, yvette young is an insanely good guitarist
Chon is like shred math rock. I feel like most math rock has the tempo half the speed of most chon songs lol
Oh my god I did NOT expect to see charles analyzing Periphery but I am elated
I've been a metal guy my whole life, but checked out Tigran from your suggestion and instantly fell in love, please give me more to look into, this just grooves on a level I've never experienced before!
check out Tool, Dillinger Escape Plan, and Car Bomb
seconded on car bomb for sure
car bomb for sure
I'd be extremely disappointed if he didn't check out Car Bomb. They still blow my mind every time I listen to them.
Car Bomb is probably the one I'd like to see his take on the most.
For more jazzy rhythms in metal, check out Dream Theater or TesseracT
as a pianist/drummer who loves both jazz and metal (and Charles Cornell), i really found this video great! Love the content!
Biggest metal rhythmic mind-blown moments (for me):
Metallica - Blackened (last statement of main riff)
Dream Theater- The Mirror
Tool - Lateralus
Oh yeah... nice ones... Good taste 😏
U definitly need to check out cafo by animals as leaders... This part is sick!!!
ruclips.net/video/q0ZrF7taMHA/видео.htmlm8s
I never see people talk about that bit on blackened. It's just one little bit but God it's so damn satisfying.
I'm a metal guitarist and have been following your channel for a while, this upload was a very pleasant surprise. :)
I really loved this video. Because is way more than a "reaction video". Not a typical guy in a corner of the screen saying "wow, dope, go off bruh".
Keep it up Charles, cheers from the DR 🤙🏽🇩🇴
Check out the band “Unprocessed” they take a lot of these rhythm concepts to an extreme with polyrhythms, odd meters, and etc.
What you described about the 3 beat into 4/4 immediately reminded me of “In the Cage” by Genesis
Great song! Here's my stab at the keyboardist's analog synth solo on guitar:
ruclips.net/video/VxtHueZP2XQ/видео.html
YES! I'm SO happy you covered Periphery, especially Satellites. That ending riff is so god tier, I love listening to the rhythmic motion of it all. I know you'll get more recommendations for more metal music - I hope you end up covering more, because prog/djent metal has so much rhythmic and even harmonic depth to it
Cool way of explaining rhythmic phasing that I hadn't thought of before! As a percussionist, this automatically made me think of Steve Reich's Clapping Music and his other phasing works like Music for Pieces of Wood
Dream theater - Dance of the eternity, you'll love the middle piano section
In regards to the counting thing, the way you did it is how most metal musicians would, you mentioned the snare being slower but a half time snare is super common in metal, especially if theirs a meshuggah influence, the pulse is really indicated by the cymbals
Favorite piano player here and one of my favorite metal bands right here. It’s interesting because as a jazz player I let music like metal influence my own music.
How many people are just casually friends with Misha? Rick Beato, this dude who I've just seen now (and subbed)
There’s a sub-genre called Mathrock which is basically gothic jazz.
Charles, I am gong to put this on every appropriate video but please please please do a 'Jazz musician reacts to Zappa'. I think there is enough of a musical anthology there to be considered a genre haha. He is by far one of the most interesting musicians/artists of his time, and his self taught attitude in everything, theory, to playing, to orchestration, is inspirational. I know it would be a hell of an undertaking because there is so much to actually cover about his music philosophy and it may be controversial, butt that would make one hell of a video too. feel like he brought about the same kind of beautiful dissonance to the culture of all music that Jacob Collier is currently doing. Just thought it would be worth a mention, even if its doesn't happen. Thank you for keeping generations intrigued by music, you are doing such great work and I appreciate it beyond brother!
misha is too hunble, wayyy too humble - literally so inspired i learned rhythm bc of him
You really really really NEED to check out some Haken (prog metal band with really cool interesting musical structure). "The good doctor" and/or "A cell divides" both from the album Vector are just straight FIRE!
Did you just introduce me to my new fav band? Periphery - Satellites is stellar!
Vinnie Colaiuta does something similar on "Attack of the 20lb Pizza". The track stays in 4/4 but the phrase gets pushed by 1 semiquaver each bar.
Hey mann!! It’s been two days I’ve been watching all your videos!! It’s really interesting how you react and analyze different music
NOW YOU'RE TALKING, more progressive metal pls 😊
* Underworld (Whole Album) by Symphony X
* Bloom by Caligula's Horse
* Passing Stages by DGM
* Human Hardware by Icefish (lots of permutations there)
10:10 Absolomb by periphery is a good example of something that doesn't feel like 4/4, but is. That is also the song that Rick Beato used as an example in his periphery video
Hi. For us drummers it's not really a permutation, but a beat displacement. Let's say you displace a beat an 8th note earlier... when it's a displacement you'll star hearing the click (the one) as an off-beat and the rhythm displaced stays the "same". When you do a permutation there is no "new one", you will not hear the click as an off beat, for example . The permutation creates a new rhythm. Dave Garibaldi wrote a whole book on permutations called "Future Sounds".
dude, great job snapping the dot halfs and the beat at the same time! honestly super impressive.
"the vocals are insane" honestly, you'd be hard pressed to find someone who's doing vocals in neral better than Spencer right now.
Can we all agree that he needs to talk about "dance of eternity" now?
Just discovered this video. Have a Bahelor's degree in Jazz and Master's in Music Education and am smiling ear to ear having watched your video. I wish I had more people who spoke this lanuage in my life. So thank you that was refreshing and well done man. My props to Misha and the gang too. Its hilarious and awesome to see my students react when i roll into the school parking lot where I teach blasting Periphery with a skateboard on my back seat. I am happy to hear more and more musicians in this world need to blur these genre lines. Hit me up if you need some symphonic or jazz stems to play around with.
As a jazz saxophonist who loves metal, I appreciate this video and your perspective!
Hey Charles, check out Lovely Thing Suite: Knots. It's 1/4 of this massively interconnected collection of narrative threads that are about life and death, Watsky coming to terms with his father's age, while sorrowly saying goodbye to his twenties, by describing his father's twenties. But, Knots specifically trades out the hip-hop beats for beautifully played piano and it tells the story of Arthur Rubenstein a world-renowned pianist who, after getting everything he wanted, fell out of order with the German king at the time and lost everything. It chronicles his failed suicide attempt in one of the most beautiful songs I've ever heard.
Shining (the norwegian band) started out as a jazz band turned metal. Their album Blackjazz, as the name suggests, has a lot of jazz influences. Songs like fisheye and madness and the damage done have cool jazzy sax solos!
If this becomes top comment I will literally, drink water
You're crazy. I could never.
Vinnie Colaiuta's "I'm Tweeked" did something like this but the drums did the displacing. It's a great little exercise just to pound a straight rock beat over that melody.
WE WANT A PART TWO
Man oh man thank you for introducing me to Tigran's music!
Anything by tool. The life pneuma performance is amazing and is very recent. Ticks and leeches live is also something out of this world when it comes to rhythm
Love it. I would love to see a breakdown of odd meters VS 4/4 with permutations.
Dude YES!!! As a huge prog metal, prog rock, and jazz fan, I’m so happy you’re taking a look at Periphery! The prog metal genre needs more love and respect! NEXT, check out ARCH ECHO!! :) like prog metal jazz wrapped in a super positive package.
You and Misha are a power duo. The fact y'all are friends is bonkers I would love that back story
Dang dude I had no idea Misha was into meshuggah. I subribe to your channel because metal and jazz are awesome. Luv u bro!
'Permutating'. You just described the primary quality in some metal, which I always recognised but couldn't define, that makes it sound jazzy to me. This is outside of actual jazz-metal fusion, of course.
I’m So jealous of you having Misha as a good friend
The Brain Dance by Animals As Leaders
the concept of the song is 5 groups of 4 16th notes is the equivalent of 4 groupings of 5 quintuplets. So by keeping the note rate the same but accenting every 4th note or accenting every 5th note you get two different time feels that you can switch between
ARCH ECHO!!!
Great drums and prog rock, great guitar. One of the best keyboard players I’ve seen
You would not believe how long I was waiting for you to dive into this genre - even bigger fan now :)
Oh man YES! The one thing I absolutely love about Periphery is their overall soundscape - same with Coheed & Cambria as well
Charles Cornell solo on P5?
Also this video is like at a perfect cross section of my interests. Been watching Charles for a while but Periphery has been my favorite band for like 6 years. Would love to see a few more prog/metal analysis videos if you have it in you!
I freaking love this song. What a great riff to break down.
I've been listening to Periphery since 2010. They are definitely awesome 🤘🏽
I loved the rhythm lessons here. I was on my high-school drum line, and taking a college music intro class really helped me put even ore together. I love rhythm so much. Especially "weird" and interesting rythms. 7/8 is my favorite more common odd time signature. I've it when songs change back and forth between two odd times. This video has shown me that you can obtain a similar feel with a different technique.
Victor Wooten, an amazing funk/jazz bassist, played in a Metal Band called Octivision, and thats really prog metal right there. Check out their song "Three Lives"
Man you just made a video about everything I love in music. Meshuggah is my favorite band ever, they’re so inspirational! I think it would be really cool to also have video on them x) And generaly metal is such a great universe and wenn you get it combined with more jazz stuff like with tigran it gets so incredible... Man just make more videos, I love it!
You're going to want to check out The Dillinger Escape Plan for some jazz-influenced metal and Imperial Triumphant for just a straight-up jazz-metal blend.
jazz has so much in common with metal, especially prog and death variations
Love your videos! I think you'll love Plini and Intervals. They tickle the metal and jazz in me.
I might regret putting this out there but:
Ascendance of a Bookworm, season 1 intro.
It’s different. It has a lot if time signatures and I honestly have trouble breaking it down.
You need to check out Haken. Specifically the Cockroach King. However, the entire album The Mountain really is a masterpiece. Many, many, many jazz elements across the songs paired with gorgeous melodies and harmonies.
Check 'em out!
EDIT: And if you want to hear some gorgeous syncopation check out "Somebody" by Haken from the album listed above. It really is gorgeous.
both periphery and meshuggah name allan holdsworth as a massive influence, which influenced a lot of the interesting jazz fusiony harmony in a lot of prog metal
Was so happy to know that Mischa and I have the same favourite band.
similar thing happens in, and where you wouldn't expect it, killswitch engage - daylight dies, introductional riff. :)
Another suggestion I have in a more similar route to Periphery, is Haken!! Especially with their new stuff, Haken gets veeeery groove heavy in a similar way to Periphery but their earlier stuff has a slightly less heavy feeling, and takes more of a Gentle Giant sort of Prog Rock composition feel, with the louder tones of metal instruments :)
I recommend listening to The Mountain and Vector, for a very strong depiction of the range of Haken's sounds :)
From the rap world "Story 2" by clipping. comes to mind, a short story over a beat that shifts from 3/4 to 4/4 to 5/4 etc.
Horizon by Mendel bij de Leij in his Oblivion album. I'm not sure I can explain how jazzy it is. Look, there's a sexy saxophone involved playing the smoothest tune while some subliminal drums and guitar play along. It's metal AF while being down to Earth but complex.
The Slap Guitar solo in The Woven Web by Animals as leaders. Sounds like pure gibberish until the drums come in and you realize that nonsense was planned. Fucking incredible.
9:07
"Each time you start the rhythmic figure over, it has a different..."
*moniter switches backgrounds*
"... quality sound to it"
Dive into some Plini sir! Incredible work in there. Odd times and constant use of odd groupings. The Salt & Charcoal EP in particular is filled with that stuff. Enjoy!
Lots of good stuff to look at in this genre. But one band that I'd love to see get some more, well-deserved, attention is Caligula's Horse. Their guitarist, Sam Vallen, literally has a Musicology Ph.D. and their style is markedly jazz influenced.
I'd love to see any of their songs broken down. Their big, epic songs (15min+ prog craziness) include "Graves", "Autumn" and "The Ascent", and "Dragonfly". Their tighter, more self-contained, songs include "Salt", "Rust", "Firelight", "The Hands are the Hardest", and "Dark Hair Down".
Great breakdown of one of the most fun and commonly used rhythmic concepts in modern prog metal.
Am I right in thinking that you could also express this dotted quarter in 4/4 as a 3:4 polyrhythm? That’s how I’ve been understanding it.
Either way the feel of the groove is the same and it’s one of my favorites.
Dude, love your videos!
As a suggestion, I would recommend you something by Soundgarden(their vocalist happened to be Cornell, too), they're known for their use of odd time signatures, and also vocals are FIRE
I'd be interested to see what you have to say about some DCI or WGI drumlines. Broken City 2019 and Carolina Crown 2019 are probably the most rhythmically interesting/impressive to me. There's a lot of polyrhythms, uneven spaces, control of dynamics, and just a next level of cleanliness