If you want more detailed explanations on my placements the videos in the description are good to watch after! This video is mainly just off the dome opinions and some brief justifications. Enjoy the discussion though.
16:50 "Raditz has a power level of 1,500." Always amazed me that Raditz was so pompous and arrogant. Yes, he was stronger than Goku, Krillin, and Piccolo, but in the world he comes from -- a world ruled by Frieza, bumping shoulders with Vegeta, likely knowing of the Ginyu Force, and even characters like Cui -- Raditz is horribly, horribly outclassed. Even Nail, who was the strongest Namekian sans Piccolo, had a power level of 42,000, which would absolutely embarrass Raditz.
@@FlyingwithFire This is why. While Raditz is in powerful company, they're still on his "team". Outside of his team, they would be seldom few in the universe who could compete with him.
@@machina5 Yup Giant Ape Raditz:15,000 Cui:18,000 (atleast) Unless raditz gets revived and gets a zenkai or something to like 2,500 then his giant ape form would outclass Cui
I will say this about Seth he dose remember power level numbers well that's something I don't really mess with alot but at the same time remembering every power incres to scale all characters in this series is kinda neat without google searching
The power scaling in super got so unbelievable when characters r said to be as strong as a ssj god in base. The idea of goku absorbing the power to his base was such a bad idea, especially since they bring the form back later
To be honest, not really it's just that the power creep is terrible and the writers don't care to make sense of it. But yeah I guess it would have been better to avoid absorbing SSG in base, I think manga Goku didn't absorb SSG in base.
^^^ honestly I think the idea was terrible and the power creep was terrible lmao. The writers legit just stopped caring about how powerful someone could be so now we have characters with infinite speed being outsped by characters with infinite speed, and punches that can shake... void, yet they still attempt to make other characters relevant to them with more bs power jumps
@@grantgarbour As an outsider to the series (started to watch db, haven't seen super) it's very funny watching these videos. The writing is always "he's the most powerful ever, can rip apart the universe etc." and then they just throw some base level guy in like Jiren who matches that and more. It's awkward to just base power on a raw number, rather than something like Naruto where strategy plays a much larger role in the fights
I GENUINELY don't think they were in the first place... DB's writing is weird, inconsistent & messy af but regardless, there's noooo way Cabba and the U6 saiyans can defeat Buu or hell, even Cell before they got SSJ2. That God-Base boost after the Beerus only applies to Goku & Vegeta, no one else. It just logically doesn't make sense in my head and ruins the respective lore and concept of Dragon Ball. TOP Piccolo for example as well ain't that stronger either, he's not saiyan built to get 50× stronger per training sesh, he still can't beat Buu. It's such a weird ass thought, respect to Seth regardless tho 😂
@@WrongKristoff the best way to describe U6 saiyans is this : take broly in his ikari form, and have him control and master that form in his base. U6 saiyans are just that, but better. They are evolved saiyans strong enough to not need the great ape form anymore. Just like broly who doesnt need a tail to access this power. What if, what we know as ikari form in broly, is actually the natural power of a U6 saiyan ? Or if you want it the otehr way, Broly could just be the first "evolved" saiyan in U7 This way its easy to understand why u6 is so strong. Is it amazing ? no but its not bad either
@@razien9941 That... actually makes it feel better now THANK YOU 😂😂 both the DB anime and manga can be soo bad at explaining both narratively AND VISUALLY at displaying power and logic. Narrative wise, they probably said it but they don't properly re-emphasize or focus on that aspect which is frustrating. Visual wise its definitely on the animation studio's direction choices. i.e. One Punch Man LOOKS amazing and powerful, but if Saitama is weaker than Goku, why is Dragon Ball so dull on displaying that power? I'd hate to bring the "ki control" excuse but idfk loool 🤦🏾♂️(Destruction, impacts, sparks, etc.) Smallest things can make big differences ya know, this is coming from a local media & entertainment industry dude myself
@@Joaquin-xq5wo Maybe, but I don't think that Yajirobe has EVER trained, and yet at one point, he was one of the strongest characters in the entire cast.
just so you know, Gogeta blue did not get touched since he turned blue, and pretty much taunted on Broly the entire rest of the fight. Def did a way better job than mui vs Jiren hidden potential went, so personally I'd put gogeta up there with vegito for the sake of things
Gogeta has amazing style and flashy moves definitely top tier in design as well I like him more than vegito but vegito meat riders are mad that mainstream fans think Gogeta is stronger now so they dunk on Gogeta every chance they get.
@@rushpatriot2866 It's literally the inverse, Gogetards are trying to dunk on Vegito thinking he's stronger, and lemme just drop an atomic bomb here. Vegito stomps Gogeta. First off, he gets the rival boost from the earrings which probably give him a small 10% increase. Second, the fusion dance is literally weaker than the earrings. If Goku has a power level of 10,000 and Vegeta has a power level of 7,000, then Vegito would have a power level of 70,000 as the earrings just multiply the fusees. Meanwhile, both entities have to be the same power level to successfully fuse with the dance. So Gogeta here would have a power level of 49,000. It's no use arguing, Vegito just stomps Gogeta. It's fine if you like his design or his moves but thinking he's stronger than Vegito and hypocritically calling Vegito fans "meat riders" is absurd
Being that blue gogeta happens wayyy after fused zamasu arc, and goku and vegeta got so much stronger in base and overall as a whole that the fusion would also be stronger so I'd put him above blue vegito as well.
In terms off toughness and what it means when the word is used, generally that should translate to being strong, since it's often shown that Power Levels are also tied to durability (Nappa shrugging off Chaozu's explosion, 18 snapping Trunks' sword when he also sliced Freeza in half, etc.) Generally it's shown that fighters are as strong as they are durable, so their other stats should scale as well.
I agree unless it's specified otherwise, like Dyspo for example, He was way faster than golden freeza but if freeza hit him even once with a death beam, he would have been, well, dead
This is sorta true for Dragon Ball, yet it makes more sense to scale them seperately since some characters throughout the entire series have had a power that while gives them heightened strength, they cannot withstand that strength themselves so they need to be careful using it. This is for other fictional media too, in a sense. While many who demonstrate what they can do can likely survive that amount of power, many characters in fiction need to be careful using too much power or even a specific move because that move is likely more powerful than what they can regularly handle. So for Dragon Ball as a series, it is mostly true, but there are cases where the opposite is true. This definitely goes for versus debates in general, since a character with power to match durability could be put up against a character whose power far exceeds their durability.
You forgot the most powerful DBZ character Tori-bot Akira Toyimara's self insert character who sho canonically upscale every character in the entire Dragon Ball extended Universe
@@Lizombiez it doesn't really matter tbh. They are still the mist powerful. They are the embodiment of the author and should scale above the entire verse
The Vegeta at 250k against 1st form Frieza makes 0 sense to me. He made Frieza struggle with him despite being less than HALF his power level, yet Nappa stomped Piccolo with a difference of only 12.5% (4000-3500)
@@gpcrafty9570 i mean we know frieza was holding back because you can literally see the toriyama trope of the weaker character being out of breath being shown. After the struggle Vegeta is out of breath while Frieza shows no sign of struggle
The sheer amount of research and watch time someone has to have and do in order to have this level of knowledge, even of obscure Dragon Ball one-off characters and their feats, is insane.
it should be basic knowledge for fans who've been following the series since 1988. it shocks me how little people know of such a simple series they've been watching for so long.
32:08 as for Nappa vs King Kai, King Kai says this to Goku before he has dash back down Snake Way: “Those two Saiyans heading for Earth are terrifyingly strong. Matter of fact, they’re stronger than me!”
We actually can scale ToP tien and krillin to above post Z sword training gohan, since he couldn’t break the katchin, and tien destroyed a large portion of the katchi katchin
You could scale the humans of the tournament of power above base Gohan from the Buu saga as that base Gohan failed to cut through kachin meanwhile krillin, master Roshi and Tien were able to destroy parts of the tournament of power arena which was made of a stronger material 👍
I think Gohan was just testing the power of the sword itself, not his own strength in tandem with the sword. It's why he was so surprised when he couldn't just slice through it like butter
@@truedarkness4052 maybe, but even then, regular kachin should scale above large stars as it was stated the most durable object in universe 7 and kachi kachin is even stronger yet the humans could Destroy parts of it meaning they are at least above large star level too
Keep in mind Trunks had to imbue his sword with ki in order to cut through Frieza, as it was otherwise just a normal sword. Gohan assumed the Z sword was an indestructible sword of legend, so he didn't enhance it with his ki, so obviously it broke against kachin. That says literally nothing about Gohan's power, only about the sword's poor quality. We have no idea if he could have cut through it or not if he actually used his ki on it.
Seth: "And if you just come for the Dragon Ball tier list, here it is, we'll wait for you to leave before going onto Super" Me: "Screw it I'll stay, I'm sure Super scaling can't be that ba..." 55:40
Love the content, thanks for sharing your expert opinion with us! Always excited when you drop a video, and this one was no exception. Keep'em comin' boss.
Goku with yardrat training was stronger than future trunks. They even sparred and trunks says how impressed he is with goku. I can't believe more ppl don't remeber that
I know it's just filler, but I never really understood how Goku became stronger than Cell for the Otherworld Tournament. You can say that Goku got a zenkai boost from dying, but Cell also should have received one when he died, and he also received one before he died. Even if Goku got a zenkai, Cell should have been one zenkai above Goku with a higher starting power before the zenkais kicked in. The best explanation that I have is that people that are sent to Hell receive a debuff which makes it easier for the ogres in Hell to manage them; this also helps explain how the Ginyu Force was defeated on King Kai's planet despite Tien, Yamacha, and Chiaotsu having only six days of training with King Kai. All head cannon about filler, of course, but it makes the most sense to me.
I always took it as Goku just getting better gains in the afterlife as he was stronger than Cell Games Gohan when he came back in the Buu Saga, while Cell never bothered training in hell
I was referring to how Otherworld Tournament Goku, who scales to Pikkon, was stronger than Cell. By the time of the Otherworld Tournament, Goku wouldn't have nearly enough time to close the gap that should exist between himself and Super Perfect Cell. I don't think the particularly evil/powerful villains go through the soul purifier; if they did, then they would have at least some of their evil removed before going to hell. From what we see, neither Cell, Frieza, nor any of the villains we see in hell have a change of character that would imply that they've been through the soul purifier. Dabura probably got purified before he went to Heaven
@@aetherialbeing4223 For all we know Cell did train. However we don't see him again after Pikkon one shots him, aside from being a spectator to the Goku/Kid Buu fight. The Goku that fights Pikkon is the Goku I'm comparing to Cell here, not Buu Saga Goku.
I'm pretty sure they stated that the fusion dance and Potara Earrings fusions are on the same power levels, that being said, Vegito Blue was back in the "Future" Trunks Saga, and Gogeta is after the T.O.P. with that being said, Gogeta is stronger than the current Vegito.
But you cant really compare the two like that. It's just common sense that whoever appears later is by default stronger due to goku and vegeta being fundamentally stronger while both fusion techniques offer the same power. I mean imagine me comparing vegito base form in super against gogeta base form in the movie? It doesn't make sense right? There you go.
Galactic patrolmen OP, first Merus and now Jaco. If he really was Zalama he'd likely scale above Zeno since Super Shenron can undo Zeno's multi-universal erasure meaning he's at least on that lvl but likely above since it's stated to be able to grant ANY wish, no restrictions so far. And the dragon balls scale to their creator so Zalama would be even above Super Shenron
Botamo is a really weird case. He is stated to nullify every single attack (I guess except magic like, petrifying spit, candy beam, Mafuba or God like techniques like the Hakai) and we have even seen him easily negating ssj top Vegetas attacks and top ultimate Gohans attacks. My question is: Is this effect truly infinite? He obviously can't beat harder opponents but in a match without out of bounds regulations, could Botamo potentially just tire his opponent out and then just beat them?
Anime Botamo apparently teleports the damage of the attack to another dimension, which is why nothing hurts him. In the manga however, Piccolo simply says that his body is like rubber, and thus bounces off the attacks; Vegeta states he thinks even a Super Saiyan wouldn't be able to deal any damage to him, but he says nothing for Blue when Piccolo comments so. So in the manga it's very likely a strong enough blow will simply surpass his defenses and defeat him, in the anime it's a bit different with the dimensional crap, so I suppose one should try to counter that somehow, like when Super Buu opened a hole in the dimensional wall of the HTC.
They stack up alright, but it would be better as a separate thing from super. Like DB > Z > GT DB > Z > Super I mean you could put Super and GT together but a lot of arguments are gonna arise. Especially the age old SSJ4 vs Blue with people using every single source they can for both!! Lmao at outerversal SSB Goku! It got a good laugh out of me
@@truthcrusader360 not false at all thats a fact omega shenron could barely destroy the universe overtime while goku and beerus were doing by accident. Mind u base goku in that same fight surpassed that ssjg that threatened the universe
@@fatdurk7934 Simple power scaling proves it’s objectively false, especially when you realize that it was mainly their combined power that was going to destroy the universe from a great distance and yet nothing happened even after 3 clashes that the elder Kai said it was enough to destroy it. The whole “universe busting” feat is fallacious and overblown out of proportion. Omega Shenron was casually going to destroy the universe overtime alone, meaning if he actually tried at full power it would be nothing for him.
One of the most entertaining and chill break downs of the power scaling. I feel like some of them I don’t agree with but it’s not even a big deal especially when you get to dragon ball super… it gets a little crazy haha 😂. Then I love dragon ball so I learned to accept that it’s gonna be interpreted in many different ways.
I love how out of control the tiers had to get with Super. There's so much anime-only stuff in that, and I love how you put like half the characters in unable to scale because there's no way to figure out how strong they actually are. It's almost like Toriyama is just BS'ing it as he goes along and just making up new stuff because it sounds cool, which I think is exactly what he's been doing for decades now. He casually just forgets entire plot arcs and has characters jump over each other for almost no reason simply because he just forgets how strong they were. It's such a fun show/manga all the way around and I'm glad it exists but good lord is it confusing.
Seth's videos really make me appreciate earlier dragon ball including Z, since the power actually seems really high but atleast comprehendable and you could actually get numbers. Now it's just ten quinfackinquintlobsqullion power levels against bingbangtillywongbillion power level and its just ridiculous. Anyone could fight anyone and get BS plot armour.
I feel like conceptually this is just a listing of the characters in order of appearance (since that's pretty much how the progression goes) but I'm a sucker for new seth content so
@@jeremiahbennett3004 Not at that point in Dragonball lol, and I think he could've easily put him next to Tien based on what has been shown in their fight
Cabba literally did borderline nothing against base Vegeta. He landed one little gut punch that Vegeta instantly recovered from and laughed off. He would get washed way worse than Goku did against beerus. On top of that SSJ Cabba was struggling to beat that fat girl from the Top and she was only around cell level.
DBS scaling makes me question everything in super: how did caulifla and cabba get this strong without training with angles or obtaining god ki? How does berserker kale take a Kamehameha to the face by Goku blue? how does Frieza keep up with dyspo in his base when he was giving SSG Goku a hard time? why does Whis compare Kefla to the spirit bomb, how strong even IS the spirit bomb? how does Trunks keep up with SSB level characters? how is vegito blue so weak in the anime? how did 17 got to blue level when he was Picolo level in z. if he's blue level, how does universe 2 keep up with him? how does Gohan beat dyspo but dyspo beats Frieza who beats Gohan?
I feel like Dabura and Super Perfect Cell are equals due to each having a bunch of abilities in their arsenal. Cell can regenerate, but Dabura could stone spit and render the regeneration useless. Cell is science and mainly ki, Dabura is magic, so they each have a niche. I liked Octopapa because his mere existence proves at least that very powerful ki or techniques are not restricted to the dominant, society based species of a planet. Granted, this was in the early eras where literally anything could exist on Earth with no explanation, but still. Also, it makes me wonder if Octopapa and Broly would technically both be considered the mutant pinnacles of their races at the time of their introduction.
I genuinely think that Z Vegito could still beat cabba in a fight. Not power wise but skill wise. You can't tell me cabba is more skilled than Vegito. After all, it's not just power that matters. That was a lesson taught early on in DB, I wish it was more well known and kept up with in super
Just wanna point out that King Kai states Goku is the first to master the Kaio Ken which was an ability he himself had only seen in dreams... King Kai couldn't use Kaio Ken.
It honestly makes sense if you do some digging and theorizing when it comes to the story of universe 6 Saiyans. Generally more story would be needed though to make it more clear.
@@kaynines5996 the problem is they wont do that they wont give you a good believable reason why a saiyan who can't even transform to a super Saiyan is stronger than a super Saiyan god
@@theobserver480 the dude is literally peak sayan. Goku in the tournament of power was able to surpass jiren, who is someone he couldn’t even touch, in 40 minutes. Broly is basically a more op version of that due to his genes
A16 was definitely stronger than cell that's why he had to hide and absorb android A17. I guess you can say he was strong enough to survive Hell Flash but honestly didn't look like cell could beat 16 most of the time
Yeah I agree, while yes cell could regenerate most of 16s damage it would only make him weaker and as we can see 16 is the better fighter of the two. Anything cell had he could tank or completely stop. He probably could of beat cell if 17/18 weren’t there
13:52 correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this the same yamcha that had that long fight against tien that actually forced tien to go all out and impressed master roshi?
That wasn't going all out, Tien made fun of Yamcha. In the manga their fight is much shorter. Tien also did not go all out against Roshi, saving true power for the finale.
I wouldn't celebrate yet if I were you, we still don't know how relevant they'll be. It could be another GT or Super where they are just foughter and do nothing.
Hey awesome video ! I would suprised if you didn't go crazy trying to rate every single character lol one of the things I thought was interesting though was piccolo's (TOP) placement . Seeing him in a rank higher than ssjr Goku black or Ssjb Goku and Vegeta in black saga just seems strange to think he be that strong. If he was that strong its definitely hard to see with him being knocked out by a bug in TOP. Besides stuff like that , still a fun video 👍
SethTheProgrammer for a versus suggestion idea how about something like this? *"Could a Composite Madara defeat all of the Fairy Tail verse in a Gauntlet run?"* That would indeed make for a good video. I definitely see Madara defeating Acnologia one on one. Now all together... that is something else.
Wtf is composite Madara? Is he like the one with Popeye's spinach and Dr Manhattan's powers? On a more serious note wouldn't he have all of Kaguya's powers since that Kaguya was just a transformed Madara? Limbo clones + all-killing ash bones seems like a pretty op combo.
I think it's because of the inconsistency between the anime and the manga. Manga Beerus doesn't even see MUI Goku and UE Vegeta as a rival, while anime Beerus used %70 of his power only to beat SSG Goku which is nowhere near as powerful as his current MUI form. Another example is that in the anime, Whis mentions that Belmod is stronger than Beerus while in the manga, Beerus just plays with all of the gods of destruction AT THE SAME TIME while they can't even land a hit on him. So yeah....it's weird.
@@imanobody7911 that 70% was only in the movie and was retconned in the anime. We haven’t seen anything from Beerus to scale him since then, so he should be in the unscalable tier, because for all we know, he could be as strong as manga Beerus. I mean, he didn’t even give a shit when Broly was attacking. Wouldn’t he have been at least a little curious if someone that much stronger than him showed up on Earth? Makes me think that even Full power Broly wasn’t a match for Beerus.
@@JoeyZero123 Tbh they should just give up this powerscaling shit in super since nothing makes sense anymore. Even at start of BoG arc beerus says that base goku is weaker than freiza since "You dont seem to be able to defeat him like this, can you transform?"
@@mulkmanto4797 goku doesnt train with beerus any more he literally swaps hands with whis now and trains solely with whis while vegeta trains with beerus idk what ur talking about ?? Goku hasnt fought beerus since bog arc or that little time in the anime that was for gags
Granola is above TOP character’s. So is Gas, Ultra Ego Vegeta, Moro. When discussing who’s the strongest in the universe whis didn’t mention Broly being stronger than them and that was before Vegeta unlocked UE. Meaning blue evolution manga Vegeta is above TOP Jiren.
@@Yuki-qh9kg Um.. no it won’t mean Blue evolution over Jiren. Jiren doesn’t reside in Universe 7. He live in a different universe. The only scaling that it hurts is Broly.
The fact that most people think Beerus is stronger than MUI goku in the anime is shocking. It has been stated that the gods fear MUI, if they fear it why is goku then way weaker? MUI goku bullied negdiffed jiren, the same jiren stated by whis to be above the gods of destructions in general. The only way beerus would be better is if somehow belmod is just a complete garbage god of destruction and the weakest one by several magnitudes of power. But heres the problem with that, where is the evidence to support this? In the manga its directly shown that all the gods are atleast comparable and able to hurt and defend against each other, so where exactly is the evidence that belmod somehow is just magnitudes weaker than beerus? since thats the quite literally ONLY way beerus could be stronger EDIT: also belmod doesnt just have to be several magnitudes weaker, he has to be complete and utter trash compared to beerus for it to make sense, since if beerus is way stronger than belmod and MUI goku also is then theres no way to know defenitvly. So the ONLY way is if belmod is just complete and utter trash, but problem is there is no evidence to support that at all😑
U wrote a whole paragraph to be wrong😂😂😂 the dude legit said goku hasn’t surpassed beerus. When the granolah arc gets to the anime it’s legit gonna go against anything that “proves “ goku is stronger than beerus because the dragon cannot make him stronger than a god so 🤦🏾♂️
@@benevolence4478 Even Cannonly, it doesn’t make sense since even if we downplay and said that Jiren is only confirm to be above Belmod…. Belmod is still a God of destruction tho but the wish said he can’t be stronger than a God???? So I’m not sure why the Dragon would say that bc then it’s implying Granola would be weaker than Jiren and MUI Goku…..
@@benevolence4478 That "limitation" was flawed to begin with because he is seemingly still stronger than gods like the Kais and is throwing hands with guys like Goku, someone who was battling at least on par with someone who had Meerus' abilities last arc and before that was battling someone who surpassed G.O.Ds and was winning. If the dragon balls really couldn't make him stronger than gods I don't know how Granolah is past Z level characters much less Goku now in Super seemingly.
@@shaquillesommerville4060 granolah is the Strongest mortal after the wish. Moro had angeL powers and is stronger than jiren but beerus was about to put him in a backwood. If the author says that goku isn’t stronger then that’s what it is
Base Cabba being more powerful than God Goku raises an eyebrow, but I haven't done enough research on power scaling in Super to argue that. Considering everything prior to it seems to be accurate from what I can remember. I'll take your word for it. That being said, it's still ridiculous in my opinion.
It doesn't makes sense as god Goku will easily be able to take on Kevin whether it's super Saiyan or not. You got to think that a drain Goku and regular super Saiyan God was able to take on not only khalifa but the other girl as well at the same time
@@MercedesBoyzz it makes sense. He's talking about bog ssg goku not top ssg goku who's obviously stronger than bog God goku. Where you paying attention?
and why yamcha at 22 tenkaichi cant be scaled? He was pretty strong, of course, tien wasnt using his full power in that fight, but yamcha was stronger that krillin in that tournament in my opinion
Great and interesting topic. What i would wonder if Broly vs Jiren. Broly is not trained so his potential might be higher Jiren. I thought for a while Broly stronger than Jiren since how Gogeta vs Broly was. I think he probably stronger than Base Jiren atleast. Great list and seems pretty acurate. Cant wait for the new arc! Wish DBS could already start, not to long tho. Might read chapters. Good stuff
If you want more detailed explanations on my placements the videos in the description are good to watch after! This video is mainly just off the dome opinions and some brief justifications. Enjoy the discussion though.
Good stuff, Seth. QUESTION.
No saiyans, or gods allowed, but who would you personally train under from Dragon Ball or Naruto?
I love you seth
How loki vs aizen?
Watched the sasuke vs kalashi video today and absolutely loved it!! Nice work dude!👍
Sure! Also, just wonder if you have ever considered the devil may cry series as a video idea?
Shenron saves Broly moments before he gets hit by the kamehameha wave meant to kill him.
So Dende > Broly 😏
if dende = shenron, so this is perfectly accurate.
And not just that, *Shenron >> Gogetta*
Big Brain
@@AvengeStunneR 9000+ Qi
Also Planet Cereal Dragon gave Granolah power, so Monaito > UI Goku
@@Dexuz So, Monaito > Dende > Shenron > Gogeta > Ui Goku > Broly?
This is masterpiece
16:50 "Raditz has a power level of 1,500."
Always amazed me that Raditz was so pompous and arrogant. Yes, he was stronger than Goku, Krillin, and Piccolo, but in the world he comes from -- a world ruled by Frieza, bumping shoulders with Vegeta, likely knowing of the Ginyu Force, and even characters like Cui -- Raditz is horribly, horribly outclassed. Even Nail, who was the strongest Namekian sans Piccolo, had a power level of 42,000, which would absolutely embarrass Raditz.
Raditz is still stronger then most in the galaxy
@@FlyingwithFire This is why. While Raditz is in powerful company, they're still on his "team". Outside of his team, they would be seldom few in the universe who could compete with him.
Ape form.
@@MrHarshverdhan Ape form Raditz is weaker than even Cui lol
@@machina5 Yup
Giant Ape Raditz:15,000
Cui:18,000 (atleast)
Unless raditz gets revived and gets a zenkai or something to like 2,500 then his giant ape form would outclass Cui
You weren't kidding when you said you had a lot more uploads to throw out in February. You've been killing it lately, man.
I will say this about Seth he dose remember power level numbers well that's something I don't really mess with alot but at the same time remembering every power incres to scale all characters in this series is kinda neat without google searching
The power scaling in super got so unbelievable when characters r said to be as strong as a ssj god in base. The idea of goku absorbing the power to his base was such a bad idea, especially since they bring the form back later
To be honest, not really it's just that the power creep is terrible and the writers don't care to make sense of it. But yeah I guess it would have been better to avoid absorbing SSG in base, I think manga Goku didn't absorb SSG in base.
^^^ honestly I think the idea was terrible and the power creep was terrible lmao. The writers legit just stopped caring about how powerful someone could be so now we have characters with infinite speed being outsped by characters with infinite speed, and punches that can shake... void, yet they still attempt to make other characters relevant to them with more bs power jumps
@@grantgarbour As an outsider to the series (started to watch db, haven't seen super) it's very funny watching these videos. The writing is always "he's the most powerful ever, can rip apart the universe etc." and then they just throw some base level guy in like Jiren who matches that and more. It's awkward to just base power on a raw number, rather than something like Naruto where strategy plays a much larger role in the fights
Thank god for the super manga where the writing is actually competent (and with the latest couple of manga only arcs which have been great so far)
@@ALittleMessi that's not how the series is written at all, they haven't used numbers since the freeza saga
My brain has such a hard time accepting the U6 Saiyans being stronger than all of Z.
I GENUINELY don't think they were in the first place... DB's writing is weird, inconsistent & messy af but regardless, there's noooo way Cabba and the U6 saiyans can defeat Buu or hell, even Cell before they got SSJ2. That God-Base boost after the Beerus only applies to Goku & Vegeta, no one else. It just logically doesn't make sense in my head and ruins the respective lore and concept of Dragon Ball. TOP Piccolo for example as well ain't that stronger either, he's not saiyan built to get 50× stronger per training sesh, he still can't beat Buu.
It's such a weird ass thought, respect to Seth regardless tho 😂
@@WrongKristoff the best way to describe U6 saiyans is this : take broly in his ikari form, and have him control and master that form in his base. U6 saiyans are just that, but better. They are evolved saiyans strong enough to not need the great ape form anymore. Just like broly who doesnt need a tail to access this power. What if, what we know as ikari form in broly, is actually the natural power of a U6 saiyan ? Or if you want it the otehr way, Broly could just be the first "evolved" saiyan in U7
This way its easy to understand why u6 is so strong. Is it amazing ? no but its not bad either
@@razien9941 That... actually makes it feel better now THANK YOU 😂😂 both the DB anime and manga can be soo bad at explaining both narratively AND VISUALLY at displaying power and logic. Narrative wise, they probably said it but they don't properly re-emphasize or focus on that aspect which is frustrating. Visual wise its definitely on the animation studio's direction choices. i.e. One Punch Man LOOKS amazing and powerful, but if Saitama is weaker than Goku, why is Dragon Ball so dull on displaying that power? I'd hate to bring the "ki control" excuse but idfk loool 🤦🏾♂️(Destruction, impacts, sparks, etc.)
Smallest things can make big differences ya know, this is coming from a local media & entertainment industry dude myself
why do you think beerus sleeps so much his universe is boring AF no wonder he got so excited for ssg
Why
Seth got sp good at scaling he switched from debates to just giving out info because he's always right
incorrect
@@ron8162 yo mama
@@ron8162 yo mama
@@ron8162 yo mama
@@ron8162 yo mama
An entire series whose power tier list could be done by sorting characters based on the last chapter number in which Goku spoke to them directly
Fr lol
That is the most accurate description of Dragon Ball power scaling I have ever heard
I agree this actually makes sense 😹
truuu
where is chiaztou being put lol
Damn That’s a Lot of Characters, No wonder why Akira has a hard time keeping up with them and even forgot about Launch
Most these are villains that die tho.
tbf a-lot of them are variations of other characters too
Idk why she was kindve a important character in db
Cultivation Novels be like :
@@zhcultivator LMFAOOO THIS IS FAX 😂
I always got the impression that Yajirobe could easily become the strongest Human in the series if he actually trained.
Tien approves.
fr mf ate one of piccolo's dragons💀
Same
I feel as if every earthling could be the strongest if they trained even yamcha. they just don't because the story makes them iterlevent
@@Joaquin-xq5wo Maybe, but I don't think that Yajirobe has EVER trained, and yet at one point, he was one of the strongest characters in the entire cast.
just so you know, Gogeta blue did not get touched since he turned blue, and pretty much taunted on Broly the entire rest of the fight. Def did a way better job than mui vs Jiren hidden potential went, so personally I'd put gogeta up there with vegito for the sake of things
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Gogeta has amazing style and flashy moves definitely top tier in design as well I like him more than vegito but vegito meat riders are mad that mainstream fans think Gogeta is stronger now so they dunk on Gogeta every chance they get.
@@rushpatriot2866 It's literally the inverse, Gogetards are trying to dunk on Vegito thinking he's stronger, and lemme just drop an atomic bomb here. Vegito stomps Gogeta. First off, he gets the rival boost from the earrings which probably give him a small 10% increase. Second, the fusion dance is literally weaker than the earrings. If Goku has a power level of 10,000 and Vegeta has a power level of 7,000, then Vegito would have a power level of 70,000 as the earrings just multiply the fusees. Meanwhile, both entities have to be the same power level to successfully fuse with the dance. So Gogeta here would have a power level of 49,000. It's no use arguing, Vegito just stomps Gogeta.
It's fine if you like his design or his moves but thinking he's stronger than Vegito and hypocritically calling Vegito fans "meat riders" is absurd
Being that blue gogeta happens wayyy after fused zamasu arc, and goku and vegeta got so much stronger in base and overall as a whole that the fusion would also be stronger so I'd put him above blue vegito as well.
@@Wolfie_-xz7hsvegito has only taken Ls
In terms off toughness and what it means when the word is used, generally that should translate to being strong, since it's often shown that Power Levels are also tied to durability (Nappa shrugging off Chaozu's explosion, 18 snapping Trunks' sword when he also sliced Freeza in half, etc.) Generally it's shown that fighters are as strong as they are durable, so their other stats should scale as well.
Actually a senseful statement
Yea all capabilities being relative towards each other
I agree unless it's specified otherwise, like Dyspo for example, He was way faster than golden freeza but if freeza hit him even once with a death beam, he would have been, well, dead
This is sorta true for Dragon Ball, yet it makes more sense to scale them seperately since some characters throughout the entire series have had a power that while gives them heightened strength, they cannot withstand that strength themselves so they need to be careful using it. This is for other fictional media too, in a sense. While many who demonstrate what they can do can likely survive that amount of power, many characters in fiction need to be careful using too much power or even a specific move because that move is likely more powerful than what they can regularly handle.
So for Dragon Ball as a series, it is mostly true, but there are cases where the opposite is true. This definitely goes for versus debates in general, since a character with power to match durability could be put up against a character whose power far exceeds their durability.
Btw
Yhwach solo DB verse
You forgot the most powerful DBZ character Tori-bot Akira Toyimara's self insert character who sho canonically upscale every character in the entire Dragon Ball extended Universe
Tori-bot has been beaten up by humans
@@Lizombiez it doesn't really matter tbh. They are still the mist powerful. They are the embodiment of the author and should scale above the entire verse
@@MrDylanMXD ig so, but is funny seeing him get beat up
@@MrDylanMXD And he kind of drew himself getting beaten up.
Yo Seth. Your an amazing content creator this is gonna be fun to watch
watch it before toei copyright strikes the video
The Vegeta at 250k against 1st form Frieza makes 0 sense to me. He made Frieza struggle with him despite being less than HALF his power level, yet Nappa stomped Piccolo with a difference of only 12.5% (4000-3500)
That and him saying that goku was weaker than no.20 which makes zero sense.
Frieza was maybe holding back on purpose for a challenge?
@@gpcrafty9570 i mean we know frieza was holding back because you can literally see the toriyama trope of the weaker character being out of breath being shown. After the struggle Vegeta is out of breath while Frieza shows no sign of struggle
I love how according to the manga, Fused Zamasu is even stronger than Jiren, despite being a villain introduced so much earlier. It’s so badass to me.
Context?
Fused zamasu was even with
Mastered blue Goku and Jiren was crushing mastered blue Goku. How is he stronger
scan?
@@reddolphin8663 on par with ssb Goku and could infinitely multiply i think
Evidence?
The sheer amount of research and watch time someone has to have and do in order to have this level of knowledge, even of obscure Dragon Ball one-off characters and their feats, is insane.
Not really, as he said, he did this from what he remembered. Even me who isnt really a powerscaler, would have done this a lot of the same way.
Is fuckin insane, off the mf dome bro🤣
it should be basic knowledge for fans who've been following the series since 1988. it shocks me how little people know of such a simple series they've been watching for so long.
@@linkshellvendor just shocks me he knows off the top of his head how powerful octodaddy and buyon are
like goddamn
not really i could of done this if i read the manga and watched the anime
Perfect timing Seth. Just as I'm about to start my chift, you came in clutch with this video. Time gonna fly by now.
Lmao same here, literally listening to this at work
btw there is a stream highlights channel, he has a few tier lists on there too
@@overdrivee00 do know the vod on this vid
@@chrissiganakis wdym
@@Zenith_Nulls vod dude
Seth yours and Swagkage's videos for the past few years have made me feel at home and comfortable, love you both!
32:08
as for Nappa vs King Kai, King Kai says this to Goku before he has dash back down Snake Way:
“Those two Saiyans heading for Earth are terrifyingly strong. Matter of fact, they’re stronger than me!”
We actually can scale ToP tien and krillin to above post Z sword training gohan, since he couldn’t break the katchin, and tien destroyed a large portion of the katchi katchin
Can’t believe I watch an hour video, I absolutely agree with your tier list. And thank you for including manga vegito ❤️
nah beerus solos gogeta, vegito, granola, goku UI, vegeta granolah arc, jiren, broly etc
@@planta_bersu_sombi I believe that
@@kidani1103 so
And Jaco = Zeno
You could scale the humans of the tournament of power above base Gohan from the Buu saga as that base Gohan failed to cut through kachin meanwhile krillin, master Roshi and Tien were able to destroy parts of the tournament of power arena which was made of a stronger material 👍
I think Gohan was just testing the power of the sword itself, not his own strength in tandem with the sword. It's why he was so surprised when he couldn't just slice through it like butter
@@truedarkness4052 maybe, but even then, regular kachin should scale above large stars as it was stated the most durable object in universe 7 and kachi kachin is even stronger yet the humans could Destroy parts of it meaning they are at least above large star level too
Keep in mind Trunks had to imbue his sword with ki in order to cut through Frieza, as it was otherwise just a normal sword. Gohan assumed the Z sword was an indestructible sword of legend, so he didn't enhance it with his ki, so obviously it broke against kachin. That says literally nothing about Gohan's power, only about the sword's poor quality. We have no idea if he could have cut through it or not if he actually used his ki on it.
@@nuzlite Thats good stuff.
@@TheAsj97 i know this is old but bro how do you know he infused his sword with ki to cut frieza? its never implied that he did.
Seth: "And if you just come for the Dragon Ball tier list, here it is, we'll wait for you to leave before going onto Super"
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Love the content, thanks for sharing your expert opinion with us! Always excited when you drop a video, and this one was no exception. Keep'em comin' boss.
This was another blast! Thanks man, great content as always!
Goku with yardrat training was stronger than future trunks. They even sparred and trunks says how impressed he is with goku. I can't believe more ppl don't remeber that
He knows? He ranked heart virus Goku, who Trunks should be stronger than
yeah he blocks trunks attacks with 2 fingers lol.
@@AHSArnulf Goku does say your heart wasn't in it this time
They sparred for like 10 seconds and goku said they’re exactly the same.
Ikr like that little sparring session spoke for itself yardrat Goku even had a higher power level than trunks look it up
Akira is a hard working man this man deserves all the love especially Seth
Farmer with a shotgun belongs to his own tier.
Everyone in every other universe just gets to start out stronger than Buu was a wild direction for the story.
Imagine thinking that Chi Chi could defeat Tao lmao. Power levels be damned.
I know it's just filler, but I never really understood how Goku became stronger than Cell for the Otherworld Tournament. You can say that Goku got a zenkai boost from dying, but Cell also should have received one when he died, and he also received one before he died. Even if Goku got a zenkai, Cell should have been one zenkai above Goku with a higher starting power before the zenkais kicked in. The best explanation that I have is that people that are sent to Hell receive a debuff which makes it easier for the ogres in Hell to manage them; this also helps explain how the Ginyu Force was defeated on King Kai's planet despite Tien, Yamacha, and Chiaotsu having only six days of training with King Kai. All head cannon about filler, of course, but it makes the most sense to me.
Actually some solid head cannon there
I always took it as Goku just getting better gains in the afterlife as he was stronger than Cell Games Gohan when he came back in the Buu Saga, while Cell never bothered training in hell
Cell was evil he wouldn’t be allowed to participate and he wouldn’t be able to train after going through the soul cleanser
I was referring to how Otherworld Tournament Goku, who scales to Pikkon, was stronger than Cell. By the time of the Otherworld Tournament, Goku wouldn't have nearly enough time to close the gap that should exist between himself and Super Perfect Cell. I don't think the particularly evil/powerful villains go through the soul purifier; if they did, then they would have at least some of their evil removed before going to hell. From what we see, neither Cell, Frieza, nor any of the villains we see in hell have a change of character that would imply that they've been through the soul purifier. Dabura probably got purified before he went to Heaven
@@aetherialbeing4223 For all we know Cell did train. However we don't see him again after Pikkon one shots him, aside from being a spectator to the Goku/Kid Buu fight. The Goku that fights Pikkon is the Goku I'm comparing to Cell here, not Buu Saga Goku.
I like how Swag did the Naruto one and you're doing a Dragon Ball one. Very cool
Love these videos. I generally tend to agree with you and swag when it comes to power scaling.
I enjoyed this. I like just chilled and layer back videos like this every now and again
I'm pretty sure they stated that the fusion dance and Potara Earrings fusions are on the same power levels, that being said, Vegito Blue was back in the "Future" Trunks Saga, and Gogeta is after the T.O.P. with that being said, Gogeta is stronger than the current Vegito.
I can agree with this. I do prefer gogeta though but your statement makes sense
@@Natso_1Thanks, I also prefer Gogeta, I feel like his techniques are way stronger, Soul Punisher is a one shot on anyone evil lol.
But you cant really compare the two like that. It's just common sense that whoever appears later is by default stronger due to goku and vegeta being fundamentally stronger while both fusion techniques offer the same power. I mean imagine me comparing vegito base form in super against gogeta base form in the movie? It doesn't make sense right? There you go.
@@msb3782 ik but I'm saying they are the same level of strength either way
@@msb3782 It's manga vegito being compared to movie(anime) gogeta.
3 uploads in like 7 days! Seth pumping amazing content as always
I feel like Jaco was underrated, he is at least 1 tier above Zeno
Galactic patrolmen OP, first Merus and now Jaco. If he really was Zalama he'd likely scale above Zeno since Super Shenron can undo Zeno's multi-universal erasure meaning he's at least on that lvl but likely above since it's stated to be able to grant ANY wish, no restrictions so far. And the dragon balls scale to their creator so Zalama would be even above Super Shenron
Hows jaco up there?
@@p373r21 Because he learned Legendary Mastered Ultra Alter Instinct Ego Destruction God
@@p373r21 dude could see ui Goku vs Moro while nobody else could
sorry, im gonna have to leave a dislike since you never expanded on why zeno was stronger than kid goku(first appearance)
faxx tho
and even when he put zeno above krillin first appearance i cringed
Just for that???
Zeno turned himself into the first appearance goku, funniest shit I've ever seen.
nerd
@@zakkosu727 Of course, wouldn't you? Seth should be releasing a public apology for this outrage.
Botamo is a really weird case. He is stated to nullify every single attack (I guess except magic like, petrifying spit, candy beam, Mafuba or God like techniques like the Hakai) and we have even seen him easily negating ssj top Vegetas attacks and top ultimate Gohans attacks.
My question is:
Is this effect truly infinite? He obviously can't beat harder opponents but in a match without out of bounds regulations, could Botamo potentially just tire his opponent out and then just beat them?
Anime Botamo apparently teleports the damage of the attack to another dimension, which is why nothing hurts him.
In the manga however, Piccolo simply says that his body is like rubber, and thus bounces off the attacks; Vegeta states he thinks even a Super Saiyan wouldn't be able to deal any damage to him, but he says nothing for Blue when Piccolo comments so.
So in the manga it's very likely a strong enough blow will simply surpass his defenses and defeat him, in the anime it's a bit different with the dimensional crap, so I suppose one should try to counter that somehow, like when Super Buu opened a hole in the dimensional wall of the HTC.
Imagine how much powerful broly would be if he learned to control his power
Thank you Seth! Can you include GT on this list too? I want to see how ssj4 and omega stacks against some of these characters
Below ssjg from battle of gods.
They stack up alright, but it would be better as a separate thing from super.
Like DB > Z > GT
DB > Z > Super
I mean you could put Super and GT together but a lot of arguments are gonna arise. Especially the age old SSJ4 vs Blue with people using every single source they can for both!!
Lmao at outerversal SSB Goku! It got a good laugh out of me
@@fatdurk7934 That’s objectively false.
@@truthcrusader360 not false at all thats a fact omega shenron could barely destroy the universe overtime while goku and beerus were doing by accident. Mind u base goku in that same fight surpassed that ssjg that threatened the universe
@@fatdurk7934
Simple power scaling proves it’s objectively false, especially when you realize that it was mainly their combined power that was going to destroy the universe from a great distance and yet nothing happened even after 3 clashes that the elder Kai said it was enough to destroy it. The whole “universe busting” feat is fallacious and overblown out of proportion.
Omega Shenron was casually going to destroy the universe overtime alone, meaning if he actually tried at full power it would be nothing for him.
One of the most entertaining and chill break downs of the power scaling. I feel like some of them I don’t agree with but it’s not even a big deal especially when you get to dragon ball super… it gets a little crazy haha 😂. Then I love dragon ball so I learned to accept that it’s gonna be interpreted in many different ways.
I love how out of control the tiers had to get with Super. There's so much anime-only stuff in that, and I love how you put like half the characters in unable to scale because there's no way to figure out how strong they actually are. It's almost like Toriyama is just BS'ing it as he goes along and just making up new stuff because it sounds cool, which I think is exactly what he's been doing for decades now. He casually just forgets entire plot arcs and has characters jump over each other for almost no reason simply because he just forgets how strong they were. It's such a fun show/manga all the way around and I'm glad it exists but good lord is it confusing.
Seth's videos really make me appreciate earlier dragon ball including Z, since the power actually seems really high but atleast comprehendable and you could actually get numbers. Now it's just ten quinfackinquintlobsqullion power levels against bingbangtillywongbillion power level and its just ridiculous. Anyone could fight anyone and get BS plot armour.
It would be fine if they were actually shown to be this powerful, but then they struggle against opponents who are many tiers weaker.
Yeah I just don’t put any thought about power levels when it comes to db,z, or s in comparison to each other.
I like how Seth disappear for a little bit maybe sometimes even a while but comes back with such relevancy.
He streams a lot more and has an active discord server so that's probably why
Bro got caught in absolute 4k
I feel like conceptually this is just a listing of the characters in order of appearance (since that's pretty much how the progression goes) but I'm a sucker for new seth content so
Love the video Seth.
Yamcha: Almost beats Tien, uses Kamehameha
Seth: Yeah he is pretty featless
Is using the Kamehameha even a feat lol? Everyone can use that thing
@@jeremiahbennett3004 Not at that point in Dragonball lol, and I think he could've easily put him next to Tien based on what has been shown in their fight
Bro, im totally agree with you....
The Tournament of power really led to some wacky scalings. Cabba stronger than SS God. Ridiculous.
That is false. Unless y'all think Cabba can put up a better fight against Beerus than Goku did which definitely isn't the case
@@TheEntity7 Dragon Ball fans when someone besides Goku is strong: 😱😰💀
@@TheEntity7 Bro he was competing with Base Vegeta, one who absorbed God into his base form and trained with Whis too. He probably would.
Cabba literally did borderline nothing against base Vegeta. He landed one little gut punch that Vegeta instantly recovered from and laughed off. He would get washed way worse than Goku did against beerus. On top of that SSJ Cabba was struggling to beat that fat girl from the Top and she was only around cell level.
He's been stronger than SS God since U6 Vs U7. 😮💨
Already know the Beerus fans finna be mad that MUI Goku is ranked higher than Beerus.
Well I mean it's just an opinion.
Its anime only and seth knows manga beerus is above every mortal including gas and granola
Well if and when the anime returns this will be subject to change anyways, but let them be mad lol
Because it's wrong LMAO.
According to Toyotaro himself fanboy.
@@powerjolt7215 The anime is non canon and canned.
Only the manga matters.
DBS scaling makes me question everything in super: how did caulifla and cabba get this strong without training with angles or obtaining god ki? How does berserker kale take a Kamehameha to the face by Goku blue? how does Frieza keep up with dyspo in his base when he was giving SSG Goku a hard time? why does Whis compare Kefla to the spirit bomb, how strong even IS the spirit bomb? how does Trunks keep up with SSB level characters? how is vegito blue so weak in the anime? how did 17 got to blue level when he was Picolo level in z. if he's blue level, how does universe 2 keep up with him? how does Gohan beat dyspo but dyspo beats Frieza who beats Gohan?
Golden Frieza has been showing to be way stronger than ssg Goku in the top
plot
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Hey Seth post more constant uploads please 🙏
This video made me subscribe it's awesome!✌️👌💪
Remember when Seth said that he will never do a tier list video
My boy Seth is going crazy with 3 uploads a week. What’s going on
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I feel like Dabura and Super Perfect Cell are equals due to each having a bunch of abilities in their arsenal. Cell can regenerate, but Dabura could stone spit and render the regeneration useless. Cell is science and mainly ki, Dabura is magic, so they each have a niche.
I liked Octopapa because his mere existence proves at least that very powerful ki or techniques are not restricted to the dominant, society based species of a planet. Granted, this was in the early eras where literally anything could exist on Earth with no explanation, but still. Also, it makes me wonder if Octopapa and Broly would technically both be considered the mutant pinnacles of their races at the time of their introduction.
I disagree with Jaco… Zeno can’t see some fights but Jaco can… 😐
@@heroricspiritfreinen38 where does the info of zalama being jaco come from?
This dude really put “jaco” next to zeno😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭 wtf
Can you make a video purely on the hardest to scale characters in dragon ball/Z/Super? I think that would actually be really interesting to see
I genuinely think that Z Vegito could still beat cabba in a fight. Not power wise but skill wise. You can't tell me cabba is more skilled than Vegito. After all, it's not just power that matters. That was a lesson taught early on in DB, I wish it was more well known and kept up with in super
An interesting fact about Kale is that Freiza thinks base Kale is stronger then SSJ Caulifa in the manga
Manga is shit
Just wanna point out that King Kai states Goku is the first to master the Kaio Ken which was an ability he himself had only seen in dreams... King Kai couldn't use Kaio Ken.
yooooo that guitar version of the theme w the chill hip hop beat in the middle of the video SLAPS
why am i hooked?, its like i cant stop watching this video until it finishes
cabba being stronger in base then ssjg goku should tell u enough about the quality of super
That shit ruined dragon ball in my opinion i wish if it didn't happen but then again the manga is shit 2
It honestly makes sense if you do some digging and theorizing when it comes to the story of universe 6 Saiyans. Generally more story would be needed though to make it more clear.
@@kaynines5996 the problem is they wont do that they wont give you a good believable reason why a saiyan who can't even transform to a super Saiyan is stronger than a super Saiyan god
@@theobserver480 You clearly didn't read the last 2 arcs
@@theobserver480 the dude is literally peak sayan. Goku in the tournament of power was able to surpass jiren, who is someone he couldn’t even touch, in 40 minutes. Broly is basically a more op version of that due to his genes
The scaling was great until it got to super that just doesn't make sense
cabba stronger than god goku is so wild i agreed with everything in this list until i seen this
Seeeeeeeth you mad lad. I do love watching these so thank you sir.
I hate myself that I looked for Farmer with a Shotgun almost immediately
great video! I learned a lot and really enjoyed this! thank you!
A16 was definitely stronger than cell that's why he had to hide and absorb android A17. I guess you can say he was strong enough to survive Hell Flash but honestly didn't look like cell could beat 16 most of the time
Yeah I agree, while yes cell could regenerate most of 16s damage it would only make him weaker and as we can see 16 is the better fighter of the two. Anything cell had he could tank or completely stop. He probably could of beat cell if 17/18 weren’t there
13:52 correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this the same yamcha that had that long fight against tien that actually forced tien to go all out and impressed master roshi?
The one that got his leg broken and showed that he was able to use the Kamehameha (before krillen)
That wasn't going all out, Tien made fun of Yamcha. In the manga their fight is much shorter. Tien also did not go all out against Roshi, saving true power for the finale.
Kinda related kinda not but,thank God trunks and Goten are being aged up in this new movie!
I wouldn't celebrate yet if I were you, we still don't know how relevant they'll be. It could be another GT or Super where they are just foughter and do nothing.
@@spritvio639 I really don't care, I'm just happy they aren't 10 anymore
@@kakashilover9231 Alright, dair enough
Do they look older?
@@AchillesofOblivion yeah
Hey awesome video ! I would suprised if you didn't go crazy trying to rate every single character lol one of the things I thought was interesting though was piccolo's (TOP) placement . Seeing him in a rank higher than ssjr Goku black or Ssjb Goku and Vegeta in black saga just seems strange to think he be that strong. If he was that strong its definitely hard to see with him being knocked out by a bug in TOP. Besides stuff like that , still a fun video 👍
You know it’s a good day when Seth drops a one hour video
Popo should be up there with Zeno.
Hey seth, is there a link to this list? I wanna give it a go sometime
Semi Perfect Cell wasn't impressed by Super Saiyan Vegeta, only by Super Vegeta
I was having a stressful day and I found this video so relaxing. Thanks
You good bro. As long as it takes, I can wait for a Android 18 video. She's my favorite character.
Deep inside we all know that Yamcha is on the top
he’s a god at baseball at least lol..
Yamaha is Shaggy
SethTheProgrammer for a versus suggestion idea how about something like this?
*"Could a Composite Madara defeat all of the Fairy Tail verse in a Gauntlet run?"*
That would indeed make for a good video. I definitely see Madara defeating Acnologia one on one.
Now all together... that is something else.
@@gameuniverse5973 still gets beat with it
@@domslaboratory w/ juubi he don't lol
Seth said he dropped fairy tail
Wtf is composite Madara? Is he like the one with Popeye's spinach and Dr Manhattan's powers?
On a more serious note wouldn't he have all of Kaguya's powers since that Kaguya was just a transformed Madara? Limbo clones + all-killing ash bones seems like a pretty op combo.
Doesn't comp madara scale to jump force naruto who's high outerversal or some shit?Fairy tail getting neg diffed lol.
Tbh i Think videl would beat both yamcha and krillin (early dB) because she has the ki control to fly Idk if im the only one
Always come back to your videos king 🔥
Yo did Seth just give us 3 videos in a week?? LETS GOO
Beerus is being heavily underestimated
I think it's because of the inconsistency between the anime and the manga.
Manga Beerus doesn't even see MUI Goku and UE Vegeta as a rival, while anime Beerus used %70 of his power only to beat SSG Goku which is nowhere near as powerful as his current MUI form.
Another example is that in the anime, Whis mentions that Belmod is stronger than Beerus while in the manga, Beerus just plays with all of the gods of destruction AT THE SAME TIME while they can't even land a hit on him.
So yeah....it's weird.
@@imanobody7911 that 70% was only in the movie and was retconned in the anime. We haven’t seen anything from Beerus to scale him since then, so he should be in the unscalable tier, because for all we know, he could be as strong as manga Beerus. I mean, he didn’t even give a shit when Broly was attacking. Wouldn’t he have been at least a little curious if someone that much stronger than him showed up on Earth? Makes me think that even Full power Broly wasn’t a match for Beerus.
@@JoeyZero123 Good point
@@JoeyZero123 Tbh they should just give up this powerscaling shit in super since nothing makes sense anymore. Even at start of BoG arc beerus says that base goku is weaker than freiza since "You dont seem to be able to defeat him like this, can you transform?"
Please do an invincible tier list, I was so surprised that no one has done a strength tier list, only how good the characters were
Would love this
The Final Flash is the “haha, that won’t- oh fv
Such a relaxing video and amazing tearlist
As a fellow power scaler I been saying this all along FP Jiren and Mui Goku are in a tier of they own until beaten or proven otherwise.
In manga that version of goku from end of tournament gets knocked out in like 5 hits while training wit beerus
@@mulkmanto4797 goku doesnt train with beerus any more he literally swaps hands with whis now and trains solely with whis while vegeta trains with beerus idk what ur talking about ?? Goku hasnt fought beerus since bog arc or that little time in the anime that was for gags
Granola is above TOP character’s. So is Gas, Ultra Ego Vegeta, Moro. When discussing who’s the strongest in the universe whis didn’t mention Broly being stronger than them and that was before Vegeta unlocked UE. Meaning blue evolution manga Vegeta is above TOP Jiren.
@@Yuki-qh9kg Um.. no it won’t mean Blue evolution over Jiren. Jiren doesn’t reside in Universe 7. He live in a different universe. The only scaling that it hurts is Broly.
@@shaquillesommerville4060 yes, and Broly and Jiren are relative in power
The fact that most people think Beerus is stronger than MUI goku in the anime is shocking.
It has been stated that the gods fear MUI, if they fear it why is goku then way weaker?
MUI goku bullied negdiffed jiren, the same jiren stated by whis to be above the gods of destructions in general.
The only way beerus would be better is if somehow belmod is just a complete garbage god of destruction and the weakest one by several magnitudes of power. But heres the problem with that, where is the evidence to support this?
In the manga its directly shown that all the gods are atleast comparable and able to hurt and defend against each other, so where exactly is the evidence that belmod somehow is just magnitudes weaker than beerus? since thats the quite literally ONLY way beerus could be stronger
EDIT: also belmod doesnt just have to be several magnitudes weaker, he has to be complete and utter trash compared to beerus for it to make sense, since if beerus is way stronger than belmod and MUI goku also is then theres no way to know defenitvly. So the ONLY way is if belmod is just complete and utter trash, but problem is there is no evidence to support that at all😑
It’s RUclips comments bro it really isn’t that serious
U wrote a whole paragraph to be wrong😂😂😂 the dude legit said goku hasn’t surpassed beerus. When the granolah arc gets to the anime it’s legit gonna go against anything that “proves “ goku is stronger than beerus because the dragon cannot make him stronger than a god so 🤦🏾♂️
@@benevolence4478 Even Cannonly, it doesn’t make sense since even if we downplay and said that Jiren is only confirm to be above Belmod…. Belmod is still a God of destruction tho but the wish said he can’t be stronger than a God????
So I’m not sure why the Dragon would say that bc then it’s implying Granola would be weaker than Jiren and MUI Goku…..
@@benevolence4478 That "limitation" was flawed to begin with because he is seemingly still stronger than gods like the Kais and is throwing hands with guys like Goku, someone who was battling at least on par with someone who had Meerus' abilities last arc and before that was battling someone who surpassed G.O.Ds and was winning. If the dragon balls really couldn't make him stronger than gods I don't know how Granolah is past Z level characters much less Goku now in Super seemingly.
@@shaquillesommerville4060 granolah is the
Strongest mortal after the wish.
Moro had angeL powers and is stronger than jiren but beerus was about to put him in a backwood. If the author says that goku isn’t stronger then that’s what it is
Base Cabba being more powerful than God Goku raises an eyebrow, but I haven't done enough research on power scaling in Super to argue that.
Considering everything prior to it seems to be accurate from what I can remember. I'll take your word for it. That being said, it's still ridiculous in my opinion.
It doesn't makes sense as god Goku will easily be able to take on Kevin whether it's super Saiyan or not. You got to think that a drain Goku and regular super Saiyan God was able to take on not only khalifa but the other girl as well at the same time
@@MercedesBoyzz it makes sense. He's talking about bog ssg goku not top ssg goku who's obviously stronger than bog God goku. Where you paying attention?
Yeah, I think these casual vids and serious vids would be awesome! I enjoyed this video! Verify's my knowledge and add/give me ideas to consider
This was a long but entertaining vid 👍🏼
I never liked DB but I gotta admit it's pretty satisfying learning about how powerful these guys are.
It's even more interesting when you consider heroes and xenoverse characters
@@teonnechapman1420 you're getting in ridiculous territory with that.
Yamcha held his own against Cell.Jr so why can't he be scaled?
and why yamcha at 22 tenkaichi cant be scaled? He was pretty strong, of course, tien wasnt using his full power in that fight, but yamcha was stronger that krillin in that tournament in my opinion
Gotenks is missing.
All of his forms should be in A tier with other buu forms.
No he's not?
bruh what that’s exactly where he is
17:43, That would be funny though. Imagine having to scale the different handguns throughout the series.
Great and interesting topic. What i would wonder if Broly vs Jiren. Broly is not trained so his potential might be higher Jiren. I thought for a while Broly stronger than Jiren since how Gogeta vs Broly was. I think he probably stronger than Base Jiren atleast. Great list and seems pretty acurate. Cant wait for the new arc! Wish DBS could already start, not to long tho. Might read chapters. Good stuff
I think Jiren wins to be honest Broly is just maybe above beerus but Jiren is just stated above the gods in multiple guide books
Me, who saw the upload on the other channel: 😏
Same