Well that was back when they still used power levels and had more objective multipliers, now we have to use feats and scaling which are inherently less precise and more open to interpretation.
Broly has no limitations when in Berserk mode, his first real fight is with two saiyan gods with 40+ years of experience and literally bodied them to make them fuse
Well Shin has always been an unreliable narrator even back in the Buu Saga (especially so actually). Also while Kale did tank SSB, is a sense Krillin defended against it too...Krillin is not blue level and the show never puts him on that level, that was just a confidence booster. Also early ToP Goku (who struggled with Kale) Black's Rose was always ahead of SSB in each encounter. I think two of the major cases for Kefla's strength are a bit unreliable (but can be used if you really want, it's worthy of note but not good enough for me). That said the spirit bomb stomps Black, and Kefla stomps Black. Compared to the arc's fusions though I honestly don't think there is a comparison. I think SSJ2 Kefla should struggle to be on Merged Zamasu's level, and we shouldn't be considering SSB Vegito.
A lot of saiyans in the tournament of power is stronger then Vegito Blue and that’s coming from a Vegito fan but obviously if Goku and vegeta fused into vegito in the Broly movie he would be equal to Gogeta
Σscape it was the opposite way round (elder kai said potaras stronger then fusion dance) but I’m pretty sure it’s because of the rival boost (so if Goku fused with someone who isn’t his rival but is the same power as vegeta the fusion would be weaker then vegito)
Gohan is the type of guy to decline an offer to spend some time with his father because of a job offer, but decline the job offer because he wants to spend more time with his family.
@Whxnder 1. the joke went over ur head. madara his long hair and wears samurai looking armor similar to raditz. so they resemble each other’s looks a bit. 2. that’s false. someone just made that up.
It's sad Raditz is considered so weak because he was genuinely a really skilled fighter he really only lost because he was outnumbered and outsmarted so imagine how powerful he could've been if he was still alive and trained with his brother
Still didn't like the video, it was well made but near the end it got super confusing on who he was ranking. It went from vegeta at 6, then went class a and I had no idea who the 5 he was talking about were
Kgnightcry to me it was understandable, but the reason that was the case because Seth had 2 potential scale lines for characters such as vegito blue and M zamasu who changed the list depending on where they was at. So he told us where vegeta was if you argue him above zamasu or if you argue zamasu on par with beerus and where he would br
Broly in all his appearances felt like a raw diamond that was never cut into shape by proper training. I imagine him surpassing everybody if he had the opportunities that Goku and Vegeta had.
@@FadedMoswa gotta disagree. It's all power. Trying to out finesse him is like trying to judo throw a mountain. Or better yet, it's like trading blows with an avalanche.
Yeah,It just makes it more stupid as how (some) people think UI/MUI Goku beats SSJ Broly even though it was required for the Prince of the Saiyans,The man who surpassed/"beated" "Jiren " (wich is always the Argument they use) to fuse,Go SSJ (X50 times Base power) and then SSJB
You know what's funny though? At power level 920 Tarble is still stronger than everyone in the original Dragonball series to the point that he could have taken Goku, his crew, and Piccolo at the same time and win. And remember, King Piccolo at power level 200 was strong enough to take on the combined militaries of Earth and not even break a sweat. THAT is how overpowered the Saiyans are - even their weakest bitches can flatten a planet with ease.
Yea It’s like when people call someone weak. It’s like they are weak in their own series but compare them somewhere else and they are god tier or calling someone strong when they aren’t much further on.
The saiyan race just looks weak when compared to their very best, that being Goku, Vegeta, and Broly. The hybrids are a completely different story as they’ve shown time and again that their innate battle power and potential far surpasses a full blooded saiyan with exception to Broly
If you watched in on cartoon network, you watched it 47 times because of the dub taking so long between sagas. I saw Raditz 6 times. Ever time a dub ran out they'd restart the whole thing. I could remember the show at 60 years old I've seen it so many times. Oh, I suppose dbza helps my memory too. Watch that to go to sleep every night. Lol
I’m jealous you haven’t watched all the new stuff yet…. Would love to rewatch it all for the first time again. Do yourself a favour and enjoy, then when you come back the hieroglyphs may make more sense 😂
I just have to say this whenever Raditz is mentioned. His whole character is wasted potential, I wish he got a redemption arc. I could see him potentially being the grumpy uncle who trains Goten in his free time.
I know him right he was such a wasted character like he’s Goku’s brother! Bing the main antagonist brother is usually going to confirm you as a pretty important character in most animes read it with just a starting villain to lead us to Napa and vegeta...
Sea Raider I know I’m pretty sure it was a video about if he actually join the good side and actually train with Goku imagined if he joins his side and actually train with them was already stronger than him in the first place and having him do the same type of trainings with them would probably make him stronger than Goku even now and Dragon Ball Super!
Sea Raider Actually now I know why they cut him so fast. He was eventually going to reach gokus level all the time and always surpass him the reason they cut him is so they don’t have to draw or animate a ssj3 raditz XD
@@ΓρηγόρηςΝικολόπουλος-η2π 5-1 basically includes: 5 - Gods of destruction ( basically Beerus since he is the strongest), 4-1 Jiren, UI Goku, Broly, Gogeta (in no particular order)
@@cheers901 God of Destruction isn't a sayain. it was Gohan, then Vegeta, then Fused Zamasu, then Vegito Blue, then Broly, and MUI vs Gogeta is 2 and 1 Class A is: Vegito Zamasu Broly Gogeta and UI (not in order)
I think higher classes are earned through service, not necessarily power level. Kinda like being knighted. Bardock being a rebel likely wouldn’t get any acknowledgement from king vegeta. But Raditz spending the majority of his life helping prince vegeta (presumably bullying the other saiyan youths on the playground before being sent off to conquer) would likely get promoted for being the prince’s “friend” and being competent and powerful
17:16 why are people still talking about this? goku did not take any damage at all from kale when she did that. goku's clothes weren't battered, he wasn't out of breath, his body wasn't dirty at all. he was in perfect condition after that encounter. he held back because he didn't want to evaporate her, but she was stronger than he thought she would be. that's all. also vegeta saw her too. if she was anywhere NEAR their power level, vegeta would have been butt hurt like usual, but he didn't really care.
The Saiyan's should have won and kill Frieza and protect their own planet. What if the Saiyan's survived and won against Frieza and his men and Gine which is bardock's wife and also Fasha become princesses like Saiyan Disney princess type in a big fat gypsy princess puffy wedding dresses for the grand ball and for for the wedding because they are Saiyan princesses like a Disney Princesse? Do you guy's to see Fasha and Gine dressing up as princesses an a big fat gypsy princess puffy wedding dresses for the grand ball and for the wedding because they are Saiyan princesses like a Disney Princesse? How do you guy's agree with that idea that Fasha and Gine dressing up as princesses?
The good thing about the current movies compared to the old ones is that they are current and incorperated into the Storyline of the Manga/Show, so I think we might see Broly again. I could see him possibly showing up when a new tournament of power starts, considering that we know that the first one included the weakest universes. I don't think that Toriyama would hint at several universes even stronger than everything seen at the tournament without showing them to us.
@@shizachan8421 Yep I think Broly is stronger than Goku and Jiren or atleast has the potential to become stronger than them. Imagine if he trained with whis. He is the legendary super saiyan after all.
@@user-dc4yr2ev5h Depends on which Goku you mean. When it comes to Super Saiyan Blue Goku, absolutely. He was already evenly matched with him in his Rage Form, which due to being the Oozaru power we know its just a multiplyer by 10 while absolutely dominating in his Super Saiyan Form. If we talk about Ultra Instinct Goku, no way. He would absolutely be defeated by him. I also think that at this point he is probably also much weaker still than Jiren. Though at least if we can trust Gokus Assessment, he might be stronger than Beerus in his Complete Super Saiyan Form. But then again, Broly is all pure talent, instinct and strength, no technique or control. Its even crazy how you can see it in the movie very well, Vegeta and Goku are clearly utilizing martial arts while Broly just throws punches. Even just learning basic martial arts probably would increase Brolys power by alot, because it would teach him how to use his power efficently. Though I don't think he will be trained by Whis, at least not immediately. His first trainer will be Goku himself and I think after the Galactic Patrol Prisoner Arc, he is in the perfect place to properly teach Broly, because now he learned more about Justice, which I think is something Broly needs to learn as well. I also don't think that Broly will ever learn Super Saiyan God nor Ultra-Instinct. I think both would be antithetical to his concept as THE legendary Super Saiyan. What I could see if Broly gets a permanent place in the series is, that he could be also utilized to make Super Saiyan 4 Canon. He re-introduced the Oozaru and the idea of utilizing the Oozaru in a human form after all. So his personal transformation being the Super Saiyan 4 form would be very fitting, him mastering the legendary Super Saiyan Form and then also learning to control his Oozari powers. Interestingly even, Broly in his Wrath State has yellow eyes, similar to Goku as SSJ4, so maybe this was done purposefully. Though I think if Broly is used to introduce SSJ4 into Super, I could see it done with the slight design change of making his fur green instead of red to fit his overall color scheme.
Just as well, imagine if Karoly existed in Dragon Ball Super. Fusion fans might recognize Karoly as the fusion between Kakarot and Broly, but Goku only was able to fuse by force since Broly lives for Goku. But since Broly is otherwise friendly with Goku in the current continuity, the fusion would be much more well-intended. He'd pretty much be the Universe 7 version of Kefla, and of course he would be unstoppable to near anyone except Zen-Oh
that is the reason he isnt shown as much and will never be shown a lot because of the dbs super movie of broly THAT MOVIE RUINED BROLY FOR ONE MAIN REASON. as you have stated he has sheer BOWER enough to beat (post top goku and vegeta) but since they buffed him up so much he has the potential to beat beerus and everyother god of destruction in like 10-20 years because he “learns as he fights”
I remember reading somewhere that Raditz power level was so beneath Nappa and Vegeta’s because Raditz was quite a coward, eg begging for his life twice with goku. He avoided the situations that would take him near death, subsequently he didn’t see any of that saiyan power boost they get from almost losing. Vegeta on the other hand was quite the natural talent and pushed hard as a child. Nappa despite being a bit of a prick was also willing to put himself in danger.
Goku himself is an OP prodigy who can learn new techniques and abilities almost instantly so of course it would take someone of that status to beat him.
The Saiyan's should have won and kill Frieza and protect their own planet. What if the Saiyan's survived and won against Frieza and his men and Gine which is bardock's wife and also Fasha become princesses like Saiyan Disney princess type in a big fat gypsy princess puffy wedding dresses for the grand ball and for for the wedding because they are Saiyan princesses like a Disney Princesse? Do you guy's to see Fasha and Gine dressing up as princesses an a big fat gypsy princess puffy wedding dresses for the grand ball and for the wedding because they are Saiyan princesses like a Disney Princesse? How do you guy's agree with that idea that Fasha and Gine dressing up as princesses?
obligatory REEEEEEEEEEEEEE great video :) the whole saiyan class thing seems to be based off of heritage strength and feats and not individual. you covered so much so thoroughly
I think that vegito and gogeta on the same level but gogeta being a little stronger but if they were to fight I think vegito would win cuz of the time limit But gogeta would pretty much handle zamasu the same way vegito did
When it comes to kefla vs vegito blue, another thing to keep in mind is that vegito de-fused against zamasu because he was literally too strong for the earings. (He wasn't even full power by the way) Kefla never had this problem and she clearly went all out against UI Goku. So in terms of power alone, vegito is way above kefla
dont the portara have a time limit of 1 hour for non gods? Kefla defused way before that timelimit although this could be argued that UI broke the earrings (which is weird since if thats all it too to defuse then someone like vegito would be a lot less threatening) or the Grand priest forced kefla to defuse once she was knocked out
@@Test-ht5hj They do have a time limit but Trunks was surprised why they defused since it hadn't been an hour yet and that's when the supreme Kai explained them overloading the earings. I always assumed that kefla's earings broke because they were something that was put on after the tournament began and the zeno only transported the fighters that started the tournament. Like anilaza, they didn't stay fused when they were eliminated because they didn't enter the tournament fused. I hope that made sense
The Saiyan's should have won and kill Frieza and protect their own planet. What if the Saiyan's survived and won against Frieza and his men and Gine which is bardock's wife and also Fasha become princesses like Saiyan Disney princess type in a big fat gypsy princess puffy wedding dresses for the grand ball and for for the wedding because they are Saiyan princesses like a Disney Princesse? Do you guy's to see Fasha and Gine dressing up as princesses an a big fat gypsy princess puffy wedding dresses for the grand ball and for the wedding because they are Saiyan princesses like a Disney Princesse? How do you guy's agree with that idea that Fasha and Gine dressing up as princesses?
@@kibbypro5962 The Saiyan's should have won and kill Frieza and protect their own planet. What if the Saiyan's survived and won against Frieza and his men and Gine which is bardock's wife and also Fasha become princesses like Saiyan Disney princess type in a big fat gypsy princess puffy wedding dresses for the grand ball and for for the wedding because they are Saiyan princesses like a Disney Princesse? Do you guy's to see Fasha and Gine dressing up as princesses an a big fat gypsy princess puffy wedding dresses for the grand ball and for the wedding because they are Saiyan princesses like a Disney Princesse? How do you guy's agree with that idea that Fasha and Gine dressing up as princesses?
When you pretty much die at the rate in which they did, it’s understandable why the Saiyan’s never reached their full potential but I do get where you’re coming from
@@Thomas20Smith disagree saiyans had thousands of years of evolution under their belt, but all somehow fell under 10,000 - them being alive any longer wouldn't have changed anything a popular fan theory suggests this happened because of frieza's oppression; which i personally agree with
My personal theory is that Goku and Vegeta just had the perfect circumstances to grow that strong, while the ones before them didn't. Think about it. A Saiyan who recovers from near death gets a massive power boost, right? That's awesome and all, except that if you do not have a healing pod of a Senzu Bean nearby, you're just gonna end up crippled or die from your injuries anyway. As such, primitive Saiyans could only grow stronger slowly as they fought. As for the likes or Raditz and Nappa, for example, they weren't sent on missions against very dangerous opponents, and I think it was deliberate on Freeza's part.
@Andre Ricardo Bryant it doesnt need to be vegeta, and sooner or later saiyans would only keep getting stronger so if frieza didnt do it hed 100% be killed
Personally I think that Broly is the strongest Saiyan because of the fact that he was born with such a high power (I believe it was a power level of 10,000) and with him not even having any sort of training and being able to have a fair fight with Gogeta, who both have had numerous amounts of training. My opinion is that Broly is the strongest.
@@mdljungberg3294given enough time broly would’ve grown even stronger than gogeta, and gogeta knew that, that’s why he was going for kill shots once he went SSB
Bardock's power level is higher than ten thousand. Bardock healed from Dadoria's mouth beam attack. Bardock's power level is the same as his Great Ape power level. Bardock's true power level is 10,010.
Low-key got lost in this list like 7 times in the 2nd half, due to not mentioning who was what rank and moving everyone everywhere due to hypotheticals
I'm sitting here watching while eating a sandwich and see him rank Vegeta C class and I'm like oh shit, what the fuck is gonna happen here! Then it's just word salad I'm trying to keep up with it and before I know it says, "thanks for watching comment down below what you think!" And I'm like what the hell? I didn't hear him say one rank or B/A class at all lol.
yeah it makes no sense, and what I do understand seems to be completely wrong. How the fuck can SSJ2 Kefla be stronger than SSB Vegetto when she's not that much stronger than SSB Goku
@@flesheater9722 It makes sense though. Gohan never liked fighting that much and he only did it if he had to to protect earth and his friends. He predominantly wants to live a normal life.
@@faux4780 It's Dragonball, they get better. Death isn't really high stakes when the character's basically go "Eh, have to summon the Dragon" When one of their friends dies.
Not really Goku Overpowered him with his increasing speed and Strenght to the point where Jiren wasnt even able to land a single blow on him even though he was at the advantage when he broke him limits
@@balkisudangiwa8806 Not really. For the majority of the fight Jiren and Goku were swapping hands. He overpowered goku in a beam struggle and knocked him out of his aura twice. The only time Goku overpowered Jiren was the last bit.
Yea, the universe 6 saiyans piss me off heavily but this was a great video my friend, your intellect is appreciated and favored over most in my opinion. 💯
Honestly, its so hard to actually measure the strength of characters in this show. Power levels were helpful for probably 1 second before it became obvious they were broken. I just wish that toriyama made a list himself, but some people dumb enough to still disagree and debate.
@@cdgshockz remember when 1000 power level meant something now we are up to number we don't even have names for yet sheesh that just shows how far they come from training on the beaches to training with the gods
I wonder what Raditz's reaction would be if he were resurrected and found out his younger brother ,who he fought before and almost won with ease, has far surpassed him and is now the strongest in the cosmos
@@penguingameplays6253 Yea that’s the God scale it was created by Toriyama when Battle of God’s the movie came out it’s not canon to use the God Scale anymore…
Honestly, it’s funny watching videos that rank these characters. On one hand, it’s highly interesting and entertaining, but on the other hand it’s completely redundant thanks to the writing of this series. Great vid overall, you earned a sub for this one.
I have no idea what you are talking about but I got respect the passion in your voice when discussing the relative value of power level data of some animator-bored characters as listed on the back of certain translation of these flyers.
Low Class Saiyans: 300 to almost 1000. Moon level to casual moon level+ Middle Class/Elite Saiyans: Over 1000. Small Planet Level. Elite/Super Elite Saiyans: Over 10,000. Planet Level.
@Eli TheGamer no they are not. Lol.. the guidebook states that it takes power level of 10,000 to destroy an average sized planet... But low-class saiyans could destroy a small planet over time.
ya87 tear a low class saiyan would be able to destroy Pluto and a high class saiyan would destroy Saturn also Pluto isn’t a planet I think it’s actually smaller than our moon
I tried my best to interpret and actually like write down the whole list Class I Beets Gine Tarble (Lowballed) DB Minus Bardock Raditz Class H Nappa Shugesh Sasha Borgos Paragus Tora Nappa (Hypothetical Powerup against Goku) Class G Bardock King Vegeta Bardock (Dodoria Zenkai) Class F Tarble (V.S. Abo and Kado) 530,000 at max Bardock (Super Saiyan) 500,000 at least Turles (Debateable against Bardock but likely stronger) Yamoshi Class E Cell Juniors Goten/Trunks (debateable against Juniors) Perfecter Cell Class D SSJ3 Gotenks Buuhan Class C King of Salada Rinso (Spirit Bomb Scaling IF Suppressed Jiren > Infinite Zamasu) Trunks Goku Black Cabbe Caulifla Kale Gohan (Scaling against Fatigued Goku) Cabbe Caulifla Kale Trunks Goku Black Gohan Class B Kefla Blue Vegito (Debateable against Kefla) SSBE Vegeta Class A Fusion Zamasu Vegito Blue (>Beerus Wank) Broly Gogeta MUI Goku (Gogeta > Broly) (MUI ? Gogeta and Broly)
@@redace4821 In the video Seth specifically stated that we were using the Vegito that fought Merged Zamasu because we never saw current Vegito. Potara is stated specifically to be stronger than Fusion by the elder kai and it also has a longer time limit. So if we were going by current hypothetical Vegito yes he would probably beat Gogeta
Gogeta has way more combat experience than Broly. Vegeta and Goku together versus a kid that was raised beating up giant bugs. Not fair comparison. No training, no knowledge of transformations, everything was new to him. He figured out on his own and adapted to their fighting styles on the fly. Broly = true legendary saiyan.
I agree but u forget the fact that he was learning while fighting lol he was getting his ass handed to him at first by vegeta then vegeta getting his ass handed to him by broly lol
@@frace3824 "Kefura" would be the most accurate way to say it as that's how it's pronounced in Japanese. The closest English pronunciation to that is Keh-fla, not Kay-fla
I would think most of the dislikes are because I've been seeing a lot of people against power scaling entirely. They find it ridiculous that anyone outside of the creators of the show/manga/whatever think they have the slightest idea of anyone's true pecking order in a fictional, sloppy retconning, self-contradicting franchise. It's all gotten out of hand because it's like a trend that started less than 10 years ago. I don't mind people coming up with their theories of whatever they want for their favorite shows, I love theories. I can understand where the guys who hate power scaling obsessions are coming from though. It's done so much that we'd love to see theories about anything else at this point.
Broly probably got a serious zenkai boost from his battle with Gogeta. He may just surpass expectations from here on out. It’s already irrefutable that he has the greatest potential among the full blooded Saiyans. How it stacks up against Gohan’s potential is undetermined. Gohan really needs to try in order to see that
How many zenkai boosts Broly? 1? 2?.... Vegetas zenkais only in Freeza arc are like 5 or 6 XD, if we talk about Goku... he is perma zenkai all the time across the DB world hahaha
@@aidanwerner7759 no not at all far from it actually Gohan I don't think can even beat omen Goku From Moro arc I think he is equal to omen Goku from top arc let alone Broly UE Vegeta or Mui
@@houseofpower1096 not confirmed strongest Akira can't confirm anything the feats in the fiction s Says otherwise Gohan beast loses to UI Goku,Broly,Beerus,and UE Vegeta Gas and Granolah aswell....black Frieza!!?
Well that's the thing dragon ball super is super vague, so he needs to give some sort of explanation or everyone will be triggered, and from what I've seen so far it's pretty damn complicated to try to explain lol
I think Nappa powered up to 6 thousand closer to the end of him and goku’s fight. Goku states “now he’s getting serious“ basically means he’s powering up
I was little confused on the final conclusion of the list. I would like to see it visually. There was a lot of valid points but it’s almost impossible to keep track specially when Súper jumped the power scale by way too much even characters that were suppose to be nobody’s anymore came back and we’re competative ha
Absolutely loved all the info and research you put into this! My ONLY critique is that you spoke so fast and vague. You can't please everyone, and I know how brutal DB fans can be but I think that is what makes all the more interesting. Give your 100% opinion and let the debate fly! I struggled to read the cliff notes you posted within the video because they moved so fast. Many times I had to pause the video. Either way you're on to some epic stuff but I'd feel better if you slowed it down and forced your thoughts more instead of trying to appeal to everyone else's. Looking forward to seeing more of your content (this is the first I've seen thus far).
Black Dragon yeah, but Xeno Royal Blue Vegeta and Xeno Ultra Instinct Grande Padre Blanco 100 perciento during the red shaggy Ssj 4 battle is 4 multiverses ahead of Time Breaker Bardock
Time breaker bardock took a punch and got hit by a spirit bomb from ssj4 Xeno gogeta and all it did was crack his mask and time breaker bardock was in his base form and he beat ssj4 xeno goku in his base and time breaker bardock can go ssj ssj2 and ssj3 and in heroes his mask suppressed his power and he was wearing the mask when he fought gogeta and goku so he is even stronger with it off he would definitely be higher than what he was ranked hear
It's really funny how Seth's high Iq is legitimately trying power scale dragonball when the whole powerscaling system in dragon ball just doesn't make any sense lol
How can u make sense of this? Ssj 2 Caulifla & Kale surpass the Ssj Gods , who they made a movie about a decade after the show ended, because they got tingly feels in their backs. DBZ Battle of The Gods & RoF movies reduced to below the level of tingly feels in your back. The entire Anime up to the ToP Reduced to less than Tingly Feelings in your back. Tingly Feelings > DBZ legacy + Ssj "Gods"
I don’t understand why anyone would get upset about this list. I disagree with some of the rankings here. I love discussing this kind of stuff, but why get heated about it. And I love this video.
Keflas scaling was an ass pull... idc how much of a “legend” she is. Especially how they played it out. Luckily in the first part of the vs Goku, we had the reasoning of him being tired.
@@enkidude9372 no it doesn't. 2 girls with no training just basically fight a ui goku who stronger than his previous omen state that gave heavily suppressed jiren trouble. It just dosent make sense
ooh... ooh.. OOH OOH AAHAHHHAHAHAAA
Yes.yes
Bruh there was a kid on ig he said naruto was universal and 100,000 ftl that's a bruh moment
Seth some time inna future you can u make a video on Magi😁😁
Thank you for this gift, father.
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Imagine how long raditz' hair would be if he went ssj3
Rapunzel
Dreinus GNIL lol
it’d be down to his heels 100%
Hedgehog
It would be the same.
Remember the simple days when there were supposed to be 4 surviving saiyans plus kid gohan
Remember when Goku wasn't an alien?
@@bobbyboy1797 and piccolo the devil
Those were the best days
Kinda like how superman went from only survivor to there being quite a few lol
@@denoall Yeah I agree the show has become trash.
1st half of the video: everything is very accurate and understandable
2nd half: Now It's time to get Funky
Well that was back when they still used power levels and had more objective multipliers, now we have to use feats and scaling which are inherently less precise and more open to interpretation.
@@loganrenfrow2544 true
Where did Gohan go ?
@joshua christopher maybe he’s thinking of doing weakest to strongest half saiyan’s ?
Lacktee V haha maybe
Broly has no limitations when in Berserk mode, his first real fight is with two saiyan gods with 40+ years of experience and literally bodied them to make them fuse
He's probably weaker than UI Goku tbh
They slapped him around the whole fight, the problem was he wouldn't stop coming.
@@Irishfrasa bruh I love Goku's stretch scene with the bamboo cracking before fighting Broly
It's called Legendary state i think. Berserk form is just Toriyama trying to make a rip-off of the original Legendary supersayain.
I'm jusr here to say that anne frank was wrong about you and youre a warrior goddess who is SENSUAL :)
the fact that it can even be argued that SS2 Kefla is above SSB Vegito just shows exactly what is wrong with Super’s scaling
Well Shin has always been an unreliable narrator even back in the Buu Saga (especially so actually). Also while Kale did tank SSB, is a sense Krillin defended against it too...Krillin is not blue level and the show never puts him on that level, that was just a confidence booster. Also early ToP Goku (who struggled with Kale) Black's Rose was always ahead of SSB in each encounter. I think two of the major cases for Kefla's strength are a bit unreliable (but can be used if you really want, it's worthy of note but not good enough for me). That said the spirit bomb stomps Black, and Kefla stomps Black. Compared to the arc's fusions though I honestly don't think there is a comparison. I think SSJ2 Kefla should struggle to be on Merged Zamasu's level, and we shouldn't be considering SSB Vegito.
I think you meant Broly lol especially since his power level was from the Saiyan Sage but he jumps up to fighting Gogeta Blue lol.
A lot of saiyans in the tournament of power is stronger then Vegito Blue and that’s coming from a Vegito fan but obviously if Goku and vegeta fused into vegito in the Broly movie he would be equal to Gogeta
Σscape it was the opposite way round (elder kai said potaras stronger then fusion dance) but I’m pretty sure it’s because of the rival boost (so if Goku fused with someone who isn’t his rival but is the same power as vegeta the fusion would be weaker then vegito)
Wolfgod 64 x then why did whis agree with him and on to his statement
Gohan is the type of guy to decline an offer to spend some time with his father because of a job offer, but decline the job offer because he wants to spend more time with his family.
@Zen Ara How does one take a shit that is dumb?
Zen Ara it’s a joke calm down lmao
@@Fooligan23 Bit of a strange time to bring it up, but it is pretty good.
@@lookatmynose9788 Well, people were talking about wanting more for Raditz, so I thought I should put it out there.
@@Fooligan23 Ah, I see
Raditz has one of the coolest designs. He looks like a full armoured samurai with his massive build and long mane.
madara uchiha is equal to raditz comfirmed
Off Da Senzu no madara is equal to nappa not raditz
i totally agree, i wish we saw more of him he’s so slept on
@Whxnder
1. the joke went over ur head. madara his long hair and wears samurai looking armor similar to raditz. so they resemble each other’s looks a bit.
2. that’s false. someone just made that up.
Off Da Senzu its nappa matey and why do
most of the dbz fans always wanna say somthing like that i always see people something along the lines of that
It's sad Raditz is considered so weak because he was genuinely a really skilled fighter
he really only lost because he was outnumbered and outsmarted so imagine how powerful he could've been if he was still alive and trained with his brother
He would be utterly broken
He was weak tho. The saiyans at that point weren’t disciplined at all yet and just relied on zenkais for strength
Yea bro radditz was garbage
@@glassillusion1034 imagine not getting my point and still being part of the Raditz hate bandwagon...sad
@@TokuNorth he was so skilled he got caught in an arm lock by his brother and killed by a supposed “lesser race” and sent straight to hell lol.
kid goku gets hits with a car and just flinches , i don't think i can say the same about adult bulma.
Yeah she just dies.
not to mention she sprays him with an uzi in episode 4 of dragon ball (give or take)
She was literally SSB from episode one bro what are you talking about
@@Mac348 *SHB superhuman blue
@@Mac348 nah hes ssjbkaioken but the red is invisible
Raditz claps everyone if he was able to kill farmer with a shotgun, he's nye omnipotent.
Obviously farmer with a shotgun was holding back, he was playing weak in order to make his nephew Zeno laugh
Ramen guy is slightly stronger then farmer with shotgun🤷🏽♀️🤣🤣
@@SasukeUchiha-eh1we a true battle of gods
Beerus is stronger than Jiren and broly.
Ha ha ha! Very funny bro!!!
Seth: "This video is gonna get bombarded by dislikes"
Seth's overwhelmingly positive ratio: "It's a simple spell but quite unbreakable"
Sucy Q Reported for making me laugh
Less than 100 dislikes
Still didn't like the video, it was well made but near the end it got super confusing on who he was ranking. It went from vegeta at 6, then went class a and I had no idea who the 5 he was talking about were
@@kgnightcry8118 yeah, that was my only complaint as well.
Kgnightcry to me it was understandable, but the reason that was the case because Seth had 2 potential scale lines for characters such as vegito blue and M zamasu who changed the list depending on where they was at. So he told us where vegeta was if you argue him above zamasu or if you argue zamasu on par with beerus and where he would br
Broly in all his appearances felt like a raw diamond that was never cut into shape by proper training. I imagine him surpassing everybody if he had the opportunities that Goku and Vegeta had.
That’s such a good analogy bro
Right like imagine if Broly could read?! Beast Gohan wouldn’t stand a chance!
But it kind of feels like brolys strength comes from his animal like style
@@FadedMoswa gotta disagree. It's all power.
Trying to out finesse him is like trying to judo throw a mountain. Or better yet, it's like trading blows with an avalanche.
Yeah,It just makes it more stupid as how (some) people think UI/MUI Goku beats SSJ Broly even though it was required for the Prince of the Saiyans,The man who surpassed/"beated" "Jiren " (wich is always the Argument they use) to fuse,Go SSJ (X50 times Base power) and then SSJB
I just wish I could’ve seen Nappa go super saiyan with that yellow facial hair
Wagon Ball lmao
LMAO 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Nappa miraculously has SS1 in Xenoverse 2 if you customize him.
He did in hero’s
@@Mapple-qp6yg what?
Meanwhile in DB Heroes, power scaling goes right out the window when everyone in their base form is stronger than Kaio Ken SSJB Goku.
DB Heroes is a non cannon commercial to get awareness for Dragon Ball Heroes, if you don't like it, dont watch it.
@@jantheking7028 toriyama stated a dragon ball is canon if it’s licensed and heroes is licensed
@@zeroxfr6436 also heroes has its own manga
Even Vegito kiaokenx20 can get beaten up by a base cumber
@@isajidazmi heroes vegito ssb kaiokenx 20 would best base dumber 😂
You know what's funny though? At power level 920 Tarble is still stronger than everyone in the original Dragonball series to the point that he could have taken Goku, his crew, and Piccolo at the same time and win. And remember, King Piccolo at power level 200 was strong enough to take on the combined militaries of Earth and not even break a sweat. THAT is how overpowered the Saiyans are - even their weakest bitches can flatten a planet with ease.
Which is why they could even send babies to conquer planets lol
Yea It’s like when people call someone weak. It’s like they are weak in their own series but compare them somewhere else and they are god tier or calling someone strong when they aren’t much further on.
Adam Leslie Exactly, most Z fighters would basically be Top tier characters ( if not the strongest ) in many other series
The saiyan race just looks weak when compared to their very best, that being Goku, Vegeta, and Broly. The hybrids are a completely different story as they’ve shown time and again that their innate battle power and potential far surpasses a full blooded saiyan with exception to Broly
There’s a reason Raditz got to Earth with the assumption his brother had destroyed the planet
As someone who hasn't watched DBZ in over a decade this script was like trying to decipher ancient hieroglyphics.
Still watched to the end
lmao
If you watched in on cartoon network, you watched it 47 times because of the dub taking so long between sagas. I saw Raditz 6 times. Ever time a dub ran out they'd restart the whole thing. I could remember the show at 60 years old I've seen it so many times.
Oh, I suppose dbza helps my memory too. Watch that to go to sleep every night. Lol
Same
I watched Super and still didn’t understand what was going on half the time 🤦🏾♂️ lol.
I’m jealous you haven’t watched all the new stuff yet…. Would love to rewatch it all for the first time again. Do yourself a favour and enjoy, then when you come back the hieroglyphs may make more sense 😂
I just have to say this whenever Raditz is mentioned. His whole character is wasted potential, I wish he got a redemption arc. I could see him potentially being the grumpy uncle who trains Goten in his free time.
I know him right he was such a wasted character like he’s Goku’s brother! Bing the main antagonist brother is usually going to confirm you as a pretty important character in most animes read it with just a starting villain to lead us to Napa and vegeta...
@@vhnexus9641 Yeah like if he was just a random guy I wouldn't care. But he's literally Goku's brother. That should mean something to the plot.
Sea Raider I know I’m pretty sure it was a video about if he actually join the good side and actually train with Goku imagined if he joins his side and actually train with them was already stronger than him in the first place and having him do the same type of trainings with them would probably make him stronger than Goku even now and Dragon Ball Super!
Sea Raider Actually now I know why they cut him so fast. He was eventually going to reach gokus level all the time and always surpass him the reason they cut him is so they don’t have to draw or animate a ssj3 raditz XD
@@vhnexus9641 haha that would be a nightmare most likely, good decision on their part
1st half: hmm yeah this makes sense
2nd half: "universe 6" Ah shit, here we go again.
so it's 8.Zamasu 7.Gohan 6.Vegeta and then who are 5-1?
@@ΓρηγόρηςΝικολόπουλος-η2π 5-1 basically includes:
5 - Gods of destruction ( basically Beerus since he is the strongest),
4-1 Jiren, UI Goku, Broly, Gogeta (in no particular order)
@@cheers901 God of Destruction isn't a sayain. it was Gohan, then Vegeta, then Fused Zamasu, then Vegito Blue, then Broly, and MUI vs Gogeta is 2 and 1
Class A is: Vegito Zamasu Broly Gogeta and UI (not in order)
@@destroyersfist695 oh shit, forgot this video was only about Saiyans. MB.
@@cheers901 but those people aren't sayians
Toriyama: power levels? lol oh right i remember those ... ...
I just got an apple watch
Launch exists so I don't think he'll remember power levels lmao
Jacob Ponce de Leon ok boomer
@@davido247 don't. Just don't.
Deiondre Casey ok boomer
I think higher classes are earned through service, not necessarily power level. Kinda like being knighted. Bardock being a rebel likely wouldn’t get any acknowledgement from king vegeta. But Raditz spending the majority of his life helping prince vegeta (presumably bullying the other saiyan youths on the playground before being sent off to conquer) would likely get promoted for being the prince’s “friend” and being competent and powerful
Every time vegeta pulls out his Final Flash
Enemy: Oh that’s cute, he called it FINAL flash. I’ll just block it ju- *Final flash gets close* OH SHI-
If I had a top 10 dbz moments, the times when Vegeta gets hype and does the Final Flash would be 5 of them.
Vegeta: BIG BANG ATTACK
Cell: Aww, how cute he named it, OH SHI-
DBZA/TFS reference ??
@@sanrac3860 it was Final Flash
@@darkboomer523 yes
17:16 why are people still talking about this? goku did not take any damage at all from kale when she did that. goku's clothes weren't battered, he wasn't out of breath, his body wasn't dirty at all. he was in perfect condition after that encounter.
he held back because he didn't want to evaporate her, but she was stronger than he thought she would be. that's all.
also vegeta saw her too. if she was anywhere NEAR their power level, vegeta would have been butt hurt like usual, but he didn't really care.
Facts
Facts
Butt hurt ? I think He would've questioned her power.
@super saiyan rose manga kale is some absolute bs and so is manga gohan who could beat manga kefla who was way too overpowered
yea she did nothing to goku, he just wanted to get her hands off of him
Number one, the secret sayain, the The Black Sayain.
MR. POPO
@thereal MCPM Or is he???😱
Popo....?
5th RULE OF POPO'S TRAINING
@@frisby7143 never call him a black man
@GORDON LEHRKE how is he a simp it’s just pewds unless he changed it
Pecking order
Can't wait to see Seth's newest video, ranking allegations from weakest to strongest.
💀
Wait wha? What do you mean?
He already did
Original
The Gohan Anger theme music in the background is just **chef kiss**
I think we can all agree that if Super was well written this would be a far easier conversation lol.
Justin Jules so true
100%
I fw super but I agree 100%
I liked super but I agree it was eh on writing
Agree
Bardock may not be high Ranked, but he was a brilliant scientist.
Edit:aye chill out down there, it's just an ocean dub reference😗
No no he wasn’t
@@uwu_presidente4292 I think it was a joke my guy
The very one
Bardock???????? No!!!
I think he was consider a scientist once for creating that solar energy thing
I’m so disappointed Seth. You went through all this work, and left out the strongest saiyan of all, Gokule
And veku like wtf
I wanted Gokule so bad
Gokule is so powerfull he could one shot all DBZ/DBS villains effortlessly
@@zanin34122 his power is only matched by lord popo
Bob_Ross229,
*thanos impossible meme*
Seth: We're not gonna talk about the games
Also Seth: Just know TB Bardock slaps everyone.
Lmao love Seth
I mean if we compare TB Bardock to any canon saiyan?? Yeah, he slaps them hard
The Saiyan's should have won and kill Frieza and protect their own planet.
What if the Saiyan's survived and won against Frieza and his men and Gine which is bardock's wife and also Fasha become princesses like Saiyan Disney princess type in a big fat gypsy princess puffy wedding dresses for the grand ball and for for the wedding because they are Saiyan princesses like a Disney Princesse?
Do you guy's to see Fasha and Gine dressing up as princesses an a big fat gypsy princess puffy wedding dresses for the grand ball and for the wedding because they are Saiyan princesses like a Disney Princesse?
How do you guy's agree with that idea that Fasha and Gine dressing up as princesses?
Broly has raw power without any real training and they had to fuse to beat him. So imagine if Broly had real training like Vegeta and Goku did
The good thing about the current movies compared to the old ones is that they are current and incorperated into the Storyline of the Manga/Show, so I think we might see Broly again. I could see him possibly showing up when a new tournament of power starts, considering that we know that the first one included the weakest universes. I don't think that Toriyama would hint at several universes even stronger than everything seen at the tournament without showing them to us.
@@shizachan8421 Yep I think Broly is stronger than Goku and Jiren or atleast has the potential to become stronger than them.
Imagine if he trained with whis.
He is the legendary super saiyan after all.
@@user-dc4yr2ev5h Depends on which Goku you mean. When it comes to Super Saiyan Blue Goku, absolutely. He was already evenly matched with him in his Rage Form, which due to being the Oozaru power we know its just a multiplyer by 10 while absolutely dominating in his Super Saiyan Form. If we talk about Ultra Instinct Goku, no way. He would absolutely be defeated by him. I also think that at this point he is probably also much weaker still than Jiren. Though at least if we can trust Gokus Assessment, he might be stronger than Beerus in his Complete Super Saiyan Form.
But then again, Broly is all pure talent, instinct and strength, no technique or control. Its even crazy how you can see it in the movie very well, Vegeta and Goku are clearly utilizing martial arts while Broly just throws punches. Even just learning basic martial arts probably would increase Brolys power by alot, because it would teach him how to use his power efficently. Though I don't think he will be trained by Whis, at least not immediately. His first trainer will be Goku himself and I think after the Galactic Patrol Prisoner Arc, he is in the perfect place to properly teach Broly, because now he learned more about Justice, which I think is something Broly needs to learn as well.
I also don't think that Broly will ever learn Super Saiyan God nor Ultra-Instinct. I think both would be antithetical to his concept as THE legendary Super Saiyan. What I could see if Broly gets a permanent place in the series is, that he could be also utilized to make Super Saiyan 4 Canon. He re-introduced the Oozaru and the idea of utilizing the Oozaru in a human form after all. So his personal transformation being the Super Saiyan 4 form would be very fitting, him mastering the legendary Super Saiyan Form and then also learning to control his Oozari powers. Interestingly even, Broly in his Wrath State has yellow eyes, similar to Goku as SSJ4, so maybe this was done purposefully. Though I think if Broly is used to introduce SSJ4 into Super, I could see it done with the slight design change of making his fur green instead of red to fit his overall color scheme.
Just as well, imagine if Karoly existed in Dragon Ball Super. Fusion fans might recognize Karoly as the fusion between Kakarot and Broly, but Goku only was able to fuse by force since Broly lives for Goku. But since Broly is otherwise friendly with Goku in the current continuity, the fusion would be much more well-intended. He'd pretty much be the Universe 7 version of Kefla, and of course he would be unstoppable to near anyone except Zen-Oh
that is the reason he isnt shown as much and will never be shown a lot because of the dbs super movie of broly THAT MOVIE RUINED BROLY FOR ONE MAIN REASON. as you have stated he has sheer BOWER enough to beat (post top goku and vegeta) but since they buffed him up so much he has the potential to beat beerus and everyother god of destruction in like 10-20 years because he “learns as he fights”
I remember reading somewhere that Raditz power level was so beneath Nappa and Vegeta’s because Raditz was quite a coward, eg begging for his life twice with goku.
He avoided the situations that would take him near death, subsequently he didn’t see any of that saiyan power boost they get from almost losing.
Vegeta on the other hand was quite the natural talent and pushed hard as a child.
Nappa despite being a bit of a prick was also willing to put himself in danger.
The begging for his life thing was a trick.
Every new character is a prodigy or has some incredible power for the sake of being a challenge to Goku
Toriyama and toei be throwing that word around a lot.
Yes like all of dragon ball character frieza, gohan, cell, buu, and every new character in dBz
Dragon Ball has to keep going somehow.
I call that lazy writing dude. Dbs litteraly retconning themselves and using shit writing to make up for it smh
Goku himself is an OP prodigy who can learn new techniques and abilities almost instantly so of course it would take someone of that status to beat him.
The strongest saiyan is the one who created the Full Nelson
The yemma lock is a variant of that move
Bro I was watching TFS Goku Full Nelson😂😂
Black Panther taught it to him after his success against Silver Surfer.
The Saiyan's should have won and kill Frieza and protect their own planet.
What if the Saiyan's survived and won against Frieza and his men and Gine which is bardock's wife and also Fasha become princesses like Saiyan Disney princess type in a big fat gypsy princess puffy wedding dresses for the grand ball and for for the wedding because they are Saiyan princesses like a Disney Princesse?
Do you guy's to see Fasha and Gine dressing up as princesses an a big fat gypsy princess puffy wedding dresses for the grand ball and for the wedding because they are Saiyan princesses like a Disney Princesse?
How do you guy's agree with that idea that Fasha and Gine dressing up as princesses?
Bardock might not be the strongest but he is in fact the BRAVEST.
Did you just edit this seconds ago? I swear remembering seeing raditz
Lmao
No kidding
Dude facing friezas blast like its krillin disc shit 🤙🤙🤙 😂
Hes also a brilliant scientist
Every Seththeprogrammer video is a blessing🙏🙏🙏
Adult Bulma being higher power level than kid Goku is enough for me to never listen to any power level content from toriyama ever again
That wasn’t from toriyama because it was for a movie only and toriyama isn’t involved in the z movies
Lol good laugh tho
It was a movie power level not toriyama
Wym this is valuable information
@@astroboy6225 all the power lvl data books and shit are trash even the ssj power lvl ONLY WORK IN THE FRIEZA SAGA IF THAT WAS THE END OF Z
I’m sorry but anyone who thinks kefla SSJ2 is stronger then Vegito is a clown
In the anime but in the manga its different. We can debate if you want
She is
@@geezerschrist3447 She isn’t. Not even close.
@@SenatorArmstrong2018 even jayren wasn't able to beat her
@@SenatorArmstrong2018 go home and study some more dbz kid
Raditz killed farmer with a shot gun so he’s automatically stronger then Zeno
Aqua Nodes LMFAO
Naw grand Zeno is a very small estimate
I actually think farmer with a shotgun faked it cause he was enraged and if he punched raditz the universe might have exploded
But farmer with a shotgun is still alive he was seen sometimes after the Raditz Arc
During the beginning of super after BoG Goku is dressed as a farmer. Because the farmer is training him
obligatory REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
great video :) the whole saiyan class thing seems to be based off of heritage strength and feats and not individual.
you covered so much so thoroughly
We can't debate who is strongest because we can't understand what he's saying
Perfect plan
1. Goku 2. Vegeta done
THANK YOU!!! I thought it was jus me...
I've read this like 7 times and I still don't understand what this is supposed to mean.
@@Naokarma he’s saying Seth is talking to fast
Once Gogeta goes blue, he never gets hit again.
Definitely on the high end of most disproportionate ass whoopings in history
Which begs the question, how do you think Gogeta would have fared against merged Zamasu?
Braden Russell would’ve erased zamasu instantly
@@Starkill3r1126 he would defuse even quicker than vegito
I think that vegito and gogeta on the same level but gogeta being a little stronger but if they were to fight I think vegito would win cuz of the time limit
But gogeta would pretty much handle zamasu the same way vegito did
I'd love to see your less gentle list of all Saiyans.
Yes!!
Me 2
well, vegeta is definitely god tier gentle
@@lapplandkun9273 I doubt Vegeta's position would change.
Great vid, loved the Hells Bells during Vegeta.
When it comes to kefla vs vegito blue, another thing to keep in mind is that vegito de-fused against zamasu because he was literally too strong for the earings. (He wasn't even full power by the way) Kefla never had this problem and she clearly went all out against UI Goku. So in terms of power alone, vegito is way above kefla
dont the portara have a time limit of 1 hour for non gods? Kefla defused way before that timelimit although this could be argued that UI broke the earrings (which is weird since if thats all it too to defuse then someone like vegito would be a lot less threatening) or the Grand priest forced kefla to defuse once she was knocked out
@@Test-ht5hj
They do have a time limit but Trunks was surprised why they defused since it hadn't been an hour yet and that's when the supreme Kai explained them overloading the earings. I always assumed that kefla's earings broke because they were something that was put on after the tournament began and the zeno only transported the fighters that started the tournament. Like anilaza, they didn't stay fused when they were eliminated because they didn't enter the tournament fused. I hope that made sense
base vegito/gogeta alone destroys ssj2 kefla
@@Test-ht5hj the timer was shortened to the extreme power I believe is what they said
This means nothing when you realize it was a draw when she fought gohan
Vegeta: Let's see how you like someone rank everyone in your race, you probably won't make top BILLION!
The Saiyan's should have won and kill Frieza and protect their own planet.
What if the Saiyan's survived and won against Frieza and his men and Gine which is bardock's wife and also Fasha become princesses like Saiyan Disney princess type in a big fat gypsy princess puffy wedding dresses for the grand ball and for for the wedding because they are Saiyan princesses like a Disney Princesse?
Do you guy's to see Fasha and Gine dressing up as princesses an a big fat gypsy princess puffy wedding dresses for the grand ball and for the wedding because they are Saiyan princesses like a Disney Princesse?
How do you guy's agree with that idea that Fasha and Gine dressing up as princesses?
Jaime Nieves stop it man.
@@58jn89 stop
@@58jn89 what?
@@kibbypro5962 The Saiyan's should have won and kill Frieza and protect their own planet.
What if the Saiyan's survived and won against Frieza and his men and Gine which is bardock's wife and also Fasha become princesses like Saiyan Disney princess type in a big fat gypsy princess puffy wedding dresses for the grand ball and for for the wedding because they are Saiyan princesses like a Disney Princesse?
Do you guy's to see Fasha and Gine dressing up as princesses an a big fat gypsy princess puffy wedding dresses for the grand ball and for the wedding because they are Saiyan princesses like a Disney Princesse?
How do you guy's agree with that idea that Fasha and Gine dressing up as princesses?
When you stop to think about it, most saiyans were disappointing considering how strong they can become
When you pretty much die at the rate in which they did, it’s understandable why the Saiyan’s never reached their full potential but I do get where you’re coming from
@@Thomas20Smith disagree
saiyans had thousands of years of evolution under their belt, but all somehow fell under 10,000 - them being alive any longer wouldn't have changed anything
a popular fan theory suggests this happened because of frieza's oppression; which i personally agree with
My personal theory is that Goku and Vegeta just had the perfect circumstances to grow that strong, while the ones before them didn't.
Think about it. A Saiyan who recovers from near death gets a massive power boost, right? That's awesome and all, except that if you do not have a healing pod of a Senzu Bean nearby, you're just gonna end up crippled or die from your injuries anyway. As such, primitive Saiyans could only grow stronger slowly as they fought.
As for the likes or Raditz and Nappa, for example, they weren't sent on missions against very dangerous opponents, and I think it was deliberate on Freeza's part.
Thats exactly why frieza destroyed them, if they are alive like vegeta and goku, frieza would be killed much sooner
@Andre Ricardo Bryant it doesnt need to be vegeta, and sooner or later saiyans would only keep getting stronger so if frieza didnt do it hed 100% be killed
Personally I think that Broly is the strongest Saiyan because of the fact that he was born with such a high power (I believe it was a power level of 10,000) and with him not even having any sort of training and being able to have a fair fight with Gogeta, who both have had numerous amounts of training. My opinion is that Broly is the strongest.
Gogeta was toying with Broly
Bro gogeta was abusing broly
He did not have a fair fight
He did have training it's just it was really shit training so unless those monsters on vampa can solo kid buu broly is broken.which he is
@@mdljungberg3294given enough time broly would’ve grown even stronger than gogeta, and gogeta knew that, that’s why he was going for kill shots once he went SSB
Bardock's power level is higher than ten thousand. Bardock healed from Dadoria's mouth beam attack. Bardock's power level is the same as his Great Ape power level. Bardock's true power level is 10,010.
funny how power levels are ridicilous now that goku could literally touch bardock with a flick of a finger and it would kill him
Nope
Ha...
Th-thats over 9000 impossible
Theories...😏
Low-key got lost in this list like 7 times in the 2nd half, due to not mentioning who was what rank and moving everyone everywhere due to hypotheticals
I still don't know who the top 5 are, and who 8 and 7 are
Yeah, where exactly did Gohan come in on this list? 😂
I'm sitting here watching while eating a sandwich and see him rank Vegeta C class and I'm like oh shit, what the fuck is gonna happen here! Then it's just word salad I'm trying to keep up with it and before I know it says, "thanks for watching comment down below what you think!" And I'm like what the hell? I didn't hear him say one rank or B/A class at all lol.
Eaxctly who did he rank number one lol
yeah it makes no sense, and what I do understand seems to be completely wrong. How the fuck can SSJ2 Kefla be stronger than SSB Vegetto when she's not that much stronger than SSB Goku
My man Gohan can't even make the screenshot and he's the main characters son, still makes me sad how quick they wrote him out
Gohan was always my favorite character
@@flesheater9722 It makes sense though. Gohan never liked fighting that much and he only did it if he had to to protect earth and his friends. He predominantly wants to live a normal life.
Hard times make strong men. Easy times make soft men. Gohan is a perfect example.
@@jjjk24 lol, what? gohan probably had it harder with seeing his friends and family die many times over, but okay.
@@faux4780 It's Dragonball, they get better. Death isn't really high stakes when the character's basically go "Eh, have to summon the Dragon" When one of their friends dies.
Regardless of whether or not it's accurate the portrayal and logic paths are entertaining and thought provoking.
Imagine if when nappa goes super saiyan 3, he gets a long cartoonish mustache and gets a beard that touches the floor.
It would only be applicable of the same applied to King Vegeta.
We are not talking about his potential
Doesn't he have a SSJ3 form in Super Dragon Ball Heroes? Could've sworn he does in the game. Same as Raditz.
@@doctorsnakeeater1997 god, if Raditz goes super saiyan 3, his hairs will just become a yellow carpet, turning him into a blonde rapunzel
@@runtergerutscht4401 what if Raditz’s hair gets shorter each stage of super saiyan
Doesn’t even mention Pan.
She must be S tier.
Edit: I am talking about Z or Super Pan.
Also thanks for the likes!
Holy shit just realized once DBS Pan is older she can one shot GT Pan
@@rantranger1527 DBS Pan can already fly into space and survive.
She probobly oneshots GT Pan already.
I dont think he mentioned gohan either
@@n3onnova564 Gohan is able to tie Kefla
Albania wrld Playz when did he say that
"Goku ends up beating Jiren with no difficulty" I think he found it pretty bloody difficult, even when he won.
Yeah i agree
Actually MUI Goku bested Jiren with no difficulty he only found difficulty in UIO.
Not really Goku Overpowered him with his increasing speed and Strenght to the point where Jiren wasnt even able to land a single blow on him even though he was at the advantage when he broke him limits
@@ボーイアニメファン Yeah MUI Goku was the one who completely decimated Jiren Full power Jiren was on par with UIO Goku hut when Goku went MUI it was a wrap.
@@balkisudangiwa8806 Not really. For the majority of the fight Jiren and Goku were swapping hands. He overpowered goku in a beam struggle and knocked him out of his aura twice.
The only time Goku overpowered Jiren was the last bit.
Yea, the universe 6 saiyans piss me off heavily but this was a great video my friend, your intellect is appreciated and favored over most in my opinion. 💯
this is the one time, in my entire life where i am genuinely afraid to voice my opinion. and that includes political stance
Honestly, its so hard to actually measure the strength of characters in this show. Power levels were helpful for probably 1 second before it became obvious they were broken. I just wish that toriyama made a list himself, but some people dumb enough to still disagree and debate.
Dont worry
Only thing you need to remember is Broly is the best based on lore and not plot armour.
@@cdgshockz remember when 1000 power level meant something now we are up to number we don't even have names for yet sheesh that just shows how far they come from training on the beaches to training with the gods
@@cdgshockz Toriyama would make different lists on each day you ask him to be honest
A person's political stance is dividing the country. All your DB opinion does is anger a relatively small group of nerds.
I wonder what Raditz's reaction would be if he were resurrected and found out his younger brother ,who he fought before and almost won with ease, has far surpassed him and is now the strongest in the cosmos
i also wanna see grandpa gohans
" StRoNGeSt iN tHE CoSMoS "
hed just train for 3 weeks and catch up
@@kerjosani5137 strongest saiyan currently, not including fusions and that bullshit
as a woman im so brave and sensual for reading this. thank you
I think Beerus downplays himself. Just a feeling, that he's way stronger than he leads us to believe.
There's no need to speculate that that's pretty much been confirmed by the manga just look how easily he annihilated all the other gods of destruction
@@Doyoueverwonderwhywerehere literally the creator said we haven't seen close to beerus full power and that he beats UI goku
@@Doyoueverwonderwhywerehere if i remember correctly toriyama or toyatoro said that goku was 7 beerus was 10 and whis was 15
@@penguingameplays6253 Yea that’s the God scale it was created by Toriyama when Battle of God’s the movie came out it’s not canon to use the God Scale anymore…
Honestly, it’s funny watching videos that rank these characters. On one hand, it’s highly interesting and entertaining, but on the other hand it’s completely redundant thanks to the writing of this series. Great vid overall, you earned a sub for this one.
"Just know that Time Breaker Bardock slaps everyone on the list" K.
Zeehaahhahaaa
Can he beat Goku tho 🤡
James V Kalabacas he can prob beat super goku, but I doubt xeno goku.
@@relaxingvk Yes
He’s not cannon so it don’t really matter
This video only reconfirms how absurd the scaling in the power of tournament arc truly was
yeah honestly i just go from Z to GT, super is it's own entity to me.
Only reason I watch super is because of the holy black ark
@@brokenthunder4163Gt scaling sucks too though, random aliens are as strong as majin buu, and a fusion between two 17’s surpasses Goku?
I have no idea what you are talking about but I got respect the passion in your voice when discussing the relative value of power level data of some animator-bored characters as listed on the back of certain translation of these flyers.
actually no disrespect to anyone who thinks otherwise but i am personally quite shocked anyone thinks MUI goku isn't the strongest saiyan o.O
fact not including fusions that is
@@ec9807 emm mui goku is unpunchable so ??
@@redgamer2596 when was it said he was untouchable?
Red Gamer he’s not unpunchable. Jiren was able to hit him
@@kyledea187mdkjr5 and he's supposed to get an even stronger mui if u follow the manga u would know
Hercule Satan stomps everyone in this list
He's not fooled by their magic tricks and mirrors
Hercule gave gohan some screentime we werent ready for his power
@@hardcash2192 I read your reply in Hercule's dub voice
@@DishonoredGOD I heard it in tfs voice, cus that’s the reference
Low Class Saiyans: 300 to almost 1000. Moon level to casual moon level+
Middle Class/Elite Saiyans: Over 1000. Small Planet Level.
Elite/Super Elite Saiyans: Over 10,000. Planet Level.
@Eli TheGamer no they are not. Lol.. the guidebook states that it takes power level of 10,000 to destroy an average sized planet... But low-class saiyans could destroy a small planet over time.
Matt Pac What is Earth considered as? Small?
@@xKingKB7x Yes Earth is A Small Planet.
ya87 tear a low class saiyan would be able to destroy Pluto and a high class saiyan would destroy Saturn also Pluto isn’t a planet I think it’s actually smaller than our moon
@ya87 tear I guess something the size of Planet vegeta is a regular planet
You're a braver man than i for making this video, you have my respect.
Mr Popo is the strongest, remember the pecking order
You, the dirt, the worms in the dirt, *Censored*, Kami, and Finally Mr. Popo
Farmer with shotgun.
@William Poland He blacc, Bulma ain't never coming back.
my opinion 3 strongest sayans are : goku,vegeta,broly
and not those fusion stuff
That's clearly not an opinion. It's just a fact.
Pretty obvious
more like goku (with ui)>broly>goku>vegeta
@@zael7292 Hmmmm. Broly barely trained. Using UI Goku is just cheating now.
@@pleasedont7439 It's not cheating when there are no rules
I respect you for even trying this
Doing *
I don't usually watch DragonBall videos but this one seemed intriguing.
The fact that he put Tora in the thumbnail and not Bardock hurt me on a spiritual level.
LOOK closely 😊
@@lilrice7865 I am
sorry that's Brolly
I'm so sorry
🤣🤣🤣
“Bombarded with dislikes”
Dislike count: 46
88 now oof good tho
113 now
123 now
175
that's only because he left out dragonball heroes which is a legit part of the dragonball franchise
I tried my best to interpret and actually like write down the whole list
Class I
Beets
Gine
Tarble (Lowballed)
DB Minus Bardock
Raditz
Class H
Nappa
Shugesh
Sasha
Borgos
Paragus
Tora
Nappa (Hypothetical Powerup against Goku)
Class G
Bardock
King Vegeta
Bardock (Dodoria Zenkai)
Class F
Tarble (V.S. Abo and Kado) 530,000 at max
Bardock (Super Saiyan) 500,000 at least
Turles (Debateable against Bardock but likely stronger)
Yamoshi
Class E
Cell Juniors
Goten/Trunks (debateable against Juniors)
Perfecter Cell
Class D
SSJ3 Gotenks
Buuhan
Class C
King of Salada
Rinso
(Spirit Bomb Scaling IF Suppressed Jiren > Infinite Zamasu)
Trunks
Goku Black
Cabbe
Caulifla
Kale
Gohan
(Scaling against Fatigued Goku)
Cabbe
Caulifla
Kale
Trunks
Goku Black
Gohan
Class B
Kefla
Blue Vegito (Debateable against Kefla)
SSBE Vegeta
Class A
Fusion Zamasu
Vegito Blue (>Beerus Wank)
Broly
Gogeta
MUI Goku
(Gogeta > Broly) (MUI ? Gogeta and Broly)
This is fricking genius.
Real question: How is Gogeta stronger than Vegito? Shouldn't they be the same? 5 x 10 or 10 x 5 is still equal 50 right?
@@redace4821 In the video Seth specifically stated that we were using the Vegito that fought Merged Zamasu because we never saw current Vegito. Potara is stated specifically to be stronger than Fusion by the elder kai and it also has a longer time limit. So if we were going by current hypothetical Vegito yes he would probably beat Gogeta
@@akarilight6331 Ah ok, I didn't watch the video fully, something came up and I have to leave, thus looking at your comment confuse me a little
I grade writing papers and this student definitely ran out of steam
Like the fact you added in the you added in the Phantoms. They don't get enough spotlight.
Gogeta has way more combat experience than Broly. Vegeta and Goku together versus a kid that was raised beating up giant bugs. Not fair comparison. No training, no knowledge of transformations, everything was new to him. He figured out on his own and adapted to their fighting styles on the fly. Broly = true legendary saiyan.
Facts they even said in the movie they alone cannot defeat him. Fusion or die basically.
I agree but u forget the fact that he was learning while fighting lol he was getting his ass handed to him at first by vegeta then vegeta getting his ass handed to him by broly lol
That is one of the reasons why Gogeta is stronger than Broly
If you think toriyama actually thought about that when writing this then you’d have higher standards for writing then he did
THANK YOU!!!!
If he says “kayfla” instead of “kefla” one more time I think I might break my phone
It’s correct
@@frace3824 "Kefura" would be the most accurate way to say it as that's how it's pronounced in Japanese. The closest English pronunciation to that is Keh-fla, not Kay-fla
@@yomama629 Kayfura
@@frace3824 lol no
@@yomama629 Ke in Japanese is pronounced like "kay" so Kefla would be pronounced like "Kayfura"
I completely forgot that Tarble was canon
I would think most of the dislikes are because I've been seeing a lot of people against power scaling entirely. They find it ridiculous that anyone outside of the creators of the show/manga/whatever think they have the slightest idea of anyone's true pecking order in a fictional, sloppy retconning, self-contradicting franchise. It's all gotten out of hand because it's like a trend that started less than 10 years ago. I don't mind people coming up with their theories of whatever they want for their favorite shows, I love theories. I can understand where the guys who hate power scaling obsessions are coming from though. It's done so much that we'd love to see theories about anything else at this point.
yamoshi the first super saiyan god
Seth: 21 take it or leave it
Broly probably got a serious zenkai boost from his battle with Gogeta. He may just surpass expectations from here on out. It’s already irrefutable that he has the greatest potential among the full blooded Saiyans. How it stacks up against Gohan’s potential is undetermined. Gohan really needs to try in order to see that
How many zenkai boosts Broly? 1? 2?.... Vegetas zenkais only in Freeza arc are like 5 or 6 XD, if we talk about Goku... he is perma zenkai all the time across the DB world hahaha
it seems Gohan is being set up to be the strongest Saiyan ever after his recent movie
@@aidanwerner7759 no not at all far from it actually Gohan I don't think can even beat omen Goku From Moro arc I think he is equal to omen Goku from top arc let alone Broly UE Vegeta or Mui
@@Dakingalbert2 gohan is the comfirmed strongest character n the movie takes place after the Moro n granolas arc
@@houseofpower1096 not confirmed strongest Akira can't confirm anything the feats in the fiction s
Says otherwise Gohan beast loses to UI Goku,Broly,Beerus,and UE Vegeta Gas and Granolah aswell....black Frieza!!?
He shouldve just gave his rankings instead of confusing half of his audience
Well that's the thing dragon ball super is super vague, so he needs to give some sort of explanation or everyone will be triggered, and from what I've seen so far it's pretty damn complicated to try to explain lol
@@louiuzi4036 i understand that but 50% of the comments literally dont know his top 5 rankings
@@chosen7934 That’s because they’re vague so he deliberately didn’t say in order to avoid dealing with peoples shit
@@chosen7934 I also didn't see Gohan on the list so is he implying that Gohan>Vegeta in the TOP?
@@jibrael5705 He specifically stated that Gohan scales to Golden Frieza, whom is surpassed by Vegeta.
I think Nappa powered up to 6 thousand closer to the end of him and goku’s fight. Goku states “now he’s getting serious“ basically means he’s powering up
Me who hasn’t watched a lot of DBZ: Mhm...mhm...I have no idea of what’s going on here
Seth
@@songoku4lac168 haha😂
watch dbz it’s better than dbs
I never realized how much Seth sounded like Kuro the Artist/The Ink Tank
IKR?!
LOL, i thought they were the same person! xD
Bardock stans when they find out recoome is stronger than him
Bardock stans:😡
Please don't remind me of Dream Stans
Bardock stans when they realize even if he went SSJ frieza first form would still kill him
@@anthonychase6906 Ikr XD
I hate how people think that if anyone goes Ssj then frieza instantly loses. Yes there are actually people who think this
Of course he is, unless we count the time travel movie. 10k x zenkai x 50 would be *_way_* higher than Recoome.
Great video. I'm just vibing out to hearing this ranking list.
I was little confused on the final conclusion of the list. I would like to see it visually. There was a lot of valid points but it’s almost impossible to keep track specially when Súper jumped the power scale by way too much even characters that were suppose to be nobody’s anymore came back and we’re competative ha
Absolutely loved all the info and research you put into this! My ONLY critique is that you spoke so fast and vague. You can't please everyone, and I know how brutal DB fans can be but I think that is what makes all the more interesting. Give your 100% opinion and let the debate fly! I struggled to read the cliff notes you posted within the video because they moved so fast. Many times I had to pause the video. Either way you're on to some epic stuff but I'd feel better if you slowed it down and forced your thoughts more instead of trying to appeal to everyone else's. Looking forward to seeing more of your content (this is the first I've seen thus far).
I wish I know about anything as much as he knows about DBZ
Wait cell is a saiyan???
If this was hero’s bardock he would be very high on this list
If this was every heroes character then the list would stay the same
@@patrickzantomaster lol
@@patrickzantomaster Nah, Time Breaker Bardock is one of the highest ranked.
Black Dragon yeah, but Xeno Royal Blue Vegeta and Xeno Ultra Instinct Grande Padre Blanco 100 perciento during the red shaggy Ssj 4 battle is 4 multiverses ahead of Time Breaker Bardock
Time breaker bardock took a punch and got hit by a spirit bomb from ssj4 Xeno gogeta and all it did was crack his mask and time breaker bardock was in his base form and he beat ssj4 xeno goku in his base and time breaker bardock can go ssj ssj2 and ssj3 and in heroes his mask suppressed his power and he was wearing the mask when he fought gogeta and goku so he is even stronger with it off he would definitely be higher than what he was ranked hear
Sucked that you weren’t clear with your placings. Would’ve been better to just have conviction
Honestly, if broly is given the opprotunity to grow and adapt his power, he would beat anybody. Hes THE legendary super saiyan
Anybody might be overkill, but he would be VERY powerful.
@@rotary_mullet319 yea might not beat everyone... (coughs) farmer with the shot gun
@@t.b9054 That was implied :)
But he wouldn’t beat mui goku
@@erick4676 yes he will.
It's really funny how Seth's high Iq is legitimately trying power scale dragonball when the whole powerscaling system in dragon ball just doesn't make any sense lol
How can u make sense of this?
Ssj 2 Caulifla & Kale surpass the Ssj Gods , who they made a movie about a decade after the show ended, because they got tingly feels in their backs.
DBZ Battle of The Gods & RoF movies reduced to below the level of tingly feels in your back.
The entire Anime up to the ToP Reduced to less than Tingly Feelings in your back.
Tingly Feelings > DBZ legacy + Ssj "Gods"
@@Spartavian correction: tingly feels + marketing
@@Spartavian fook no I don't buy it,
@@Spartavian caulifla can NOT be stronger than SSJ3 Goku
ipotatosenpai man I wish ssj3 Goku was the one to beat kale and caulifla
Hypothetically, if Nappa were to turn Super Saiyan, would his nose hair become yellow?
This hypothetical gets more interesting the further down you get
I dunno. Would he’s pubes also be yellow? He’s armpit hair? We could go on with this
@@Nimbussssssss lmfai
Andre Davila that’s literally what the guy above you said.... his was just much much more clever.
He'll probably just grow hair like goku in ss3
I don’t understand why anyone would get upset about this list. I disagree with some of the rankings here. I love discussing this kind of stuff, but why get heated about it. And I love this video.
“Only if ssj2 kefla is stronger than vegito blue” thats a nice joke btw
This is making me think Patrick is smart
Not a joke if its easy to prove,which it is and he did in the video
Alieu but then he come to a conclusion that vegito is a lot stronger than Kefla read kid
Lol they changed how u get super saiyan they made from determination or s emotional reaction to ITS A FEELING IN UR SPINE
@@Just_abigheadnoob yes it is kefla will be murdered by base form vegito
Keflas scaling was an ass pull... idc how much of a “legend” she is. Especially how they played it out. Luckily in the first part of the vs Goku, we had the reasoning of him being tired.
Well fusion power up are retardedly huge so it makes sense
@@enkidude9372 no it doesn't. 2 girls with no training just basically fight a ui goku who stronger than his previous omen state that gave heavily suppressed jiren trouble. It just dosent make sense
You're really going to complain about Kefla when RENSO is put above MAJIN BUU and GOTENKS
Ultimate gohan going toe to toe with ss2 kefla makes sense. Manga > anime
@@alexander_xaiver_9989 yessir
I absolutely love how detailed you are everything I’m hearing makes so much sense 😂😁
I really wish they would have kept god power more sacred. Maybe let characters get close but ultimately berrus still overwhelmingly powerful
Seth the Programmer: This is slightly head canon.
Reality: All Head Canon