Basim never remembered faces or voices. He thought Sigurd was Odin the whole game which is why he was so close to him. He saw the mark on his neck which was the same as him and he knew Sigurd was a sage. Eivor had the bite scar cover hers
At this point I feel the developers are just promoting female assassins in a rush, frankly I don’t mind if they are canon but I just wish they would take the damn time to develop a good story for that female assassin like how they focused on Altair and Ezio solo, no gender choosing shit. Just focus on the character any gender would do man.
The devs want their cake and to eat it too. It's ridicuously obvious on a second playthrough that NPC's are talking to a woman, even when playing as a man, and a codex entry even refers to you as her.... yet when that big CGI cinematic releases for the reveal, there's no female character they were so proud to make in sight.
I feel like it just works better with magnus brunn's performance. Not to take away from eivor's VA but I feel like the general approach that was taken for "male" eivor to give him sort of a poetic almost soft spoken voice works really well for eivor's character
Nothing to do with feminism ubisoft wants to include all gamers including female gamers because unlike you they don't see the gaming industry as male only and want to include female gamers
What do you mean lol? Kassandra doesn’t fit either. She’s literally embarking on a man’s journey in Greece. She fits better as Deimos because it actually makes sense…
@@BdasKeF dude Greek mythology and everything about the game is centered for man. If anything was made for a woman it was definitely Valhalla where male eivor has a literal girl name along with the fact that he gets in the most fruitiest positions when another male is trying to romance him.
@@BdasKeF Cass maybe the so called "canon" protagonist but Alexios was created in mind when developing AC Odyssey. Also even though the game has fantasy elements, credibility is still important because Cass won't have a damn chance winning a Pankration tournament with trained opponents that are heavier that her Also women are not allowed to join Pankration
Funny thing is the Olympics quest in odyssey kinda ruins kassandra as a Canon MC considering women aren't allowed to watch the games if they are single yet kassandra was not only allowed to watch, but also participate.
It's not sexist to say male Eivor is a better experience for you. It is probably be best though, to be aware of social biases and avoid thinking Female Eivor as lesser.
Vikings were predominantly male, shield maidens were actually a rarity as they mostly guarded small settlements when there was a lack of manpower, yet female combatants in the Viking world were more common than female Anglo-Saxon warriors for instance, so it’s not totally immersion breaking. However male Eivour seems more plausible in the gameplay considering the type of challenges and interactions (apart from the out of place homosexuality) the player goes through. I would have preferred a more tailored experience for female and male characters which are more historically/biologically accurate. It’s totally immersion breaking when female Eivour can outmatch a 6ft tall Saxon Thegn with her sheer strength and deep voice. I’d argue that the female Eivour should have more assassination/dialogue perks and buffs & strength handicaps. Then male Eivour having more Vikinger perks & assassination handicaps. I think it would cause for more strategic play especially for a female character which would be more accurate and probably more enjoyable. I also suspect that the devs knew making this a female only experience with their current character model would have been an epic failure, despite the gameplay being the same as the male version, I find that very telling.
Male Eivor is canon for me few reasons 1 the VA is actually good unlike female VA it’s difference of a better actor a higher tier I would say .2 because I choose it to be canon Ubisoft can’t even figure out what’s canon anymore and it doesn’t matter if they say female Eivor is canon majority and I mean overwhelming majority play as Male Eivor 😂
I'd have to strongly disagree with you on both counts her. Female Eivor's voice actor is far superior. It has much more character to it and much more enjoyable to listen to. Also, I think your assumption that the 'overwhelming majority' play as male is a bit of a stretch. Most people I know played as female and as far as I can tell, the real stats haven't been released.
I personally felt Havi/Odin's VA was better. As for the stats, I think they released stats from Odyssey which showed that 2/3rds had picked Alexios. But I wouldn't Consider that stat either as there is a heavy bias. With the amount of marketing around Alexios, Obviously people picked him more. So in that sense, Ubi influenced the stat in Alexios's favour.
100% agree with you. I’ve heard dialogues from both female and male Eivor and I gotta say that the male voice actor does a phenomenal job in tonality which I find the female counterpart to be lacking; it seems... Dull, in a sense
Yeah, female Eivor wearing male armors and suits is a downer. In Odyssey alot of the armors had a female look and a male look, the same pieces change form to fit Alexios and to fit Kassandra with female clothing, she had a lot of female options, even the exclusive Wonder Woman outfit. Eivor has nothing female, not even more option for her bra, she just wears that same filthy cloth with that armor exposing the chest.
Which Odyssey game did you play? Because no the armors did not change to suit Kassandra. The only one that was female was the Amazon one. Which is why it's the most used. The Armors were the biggest problem I had with that game. Playing a Kassandra. Because they all made her look like a man body with a female head.
@@thiagoalabat Please tell me which armor chaged to look feminine. With your 20/20👀🤣😎Men need to be men and women just need to be women. F all his gener bending sh!t. Next time they make a female she better be a lady😁😎 with feminine armors.
Sigurd does not resemble tyr at all if you look at the visions. And there is an other instens where Birstans wife Alfida referres to Eivor as a she after you rescued here.
I think the next step they will take would be a full on create an assassin rpg. However they can make that work. There is so many ppl who don’t want to be one of the other and I think that’s the biggest problem. I personally play as whomever the main protagonist is and when given the option always choose to play as a dude. But if they make a protagonist twins again with customization options and different dialogue & personality (maybe different missions for each one boasting Replayability) they could make both sides happy
@@SirNoobWulf we can considering what they’re plans are for the future now. I can see them just making them twins and giving the same dialogue options and personality and just pic whomever as canon
They really wanted to push some Feminist agenda to get more players I don't have a problem with female character.. BUT ATLEAST MAKE IT GOOD Male Eivor had a good voice actor played by Magnus Bruun who also played Cnut in The Last Kingdom, another viking show Imagine them hiring a better character with only one protagonist for example them hiring Travis Fimmel who played Ragnar in Vikings instead of two actors, it would be so cool and would break the internet
Its not even to get more players. Because from what we have learnt since, Its quite clear that it was about simply having a female character. And As I said in the video they could have handled that differently as well. Magnus brunn didn't need to be the Eivor, He could have been Odin and his reincarnation while our Eivor could have simply been a different god.
@@SirNoobWulf You would be surprised to know that how many people buy a game just fore the female character Also if it was between those two characters then I would choose male eivor because of his voice and I generally like beards and all, I chose canon option at the start and I had to switch to male If ubisoft wants to make female characters then make them good instead of just adding it for the sake of being a female
Precisely. I did the same as well. If you look at my gameplay videos most of them have female Eivor cuz I went with the canon option. But then halfway through I switched to Male Eivor cuz it was just better. No offense to the VA for female Eivor but Magnus brunn killed it.
My guy, I don't know what half this says as the spelling is atrocious but I do get a lot of petulant whining. Literally no one is pushing any agenda. Women just exist and having female protagonists is actually better than trying to uphold the patriarchy by inferring it was only males that did anything noteworthy throughout history and only males can be heroes. Hiring Travis Fimmle wouldn't "break the internet" just because he was in Vikings. Don't be ridiculous. Also both Eivor's are exactly the same character really. They both have the same dialogue and nothing at all about the story changes. There's no agenda pushed especially when you literally have a choice. Lastly, take a step back. At it's heart, Assassin's Creed is historical fantasy. None of it at all is real. The game has warring secret organisations, precursor races and technology that might as well be magical. Nit pick on that instead.
@@SparkAce1 How is wanting a good character patriarchy? And yes, both having same lines is what the problem is, they just feel like clones with different voice and one has a beard. And how are males being the only hero? Clearly you dont play many games, also representation can go fuck itself, I dont care if there is no female, gay, trans, non binary, fat, disabled character in a game, All I want it is to be good.. Look what your sjw kind did to Saints Row
For the life of me I can’t understand why Ubisoft feels the need to allow us to “choose” our character. If you want an immersive, RPG elemental experience, just give us a character and allow us to customize said character to our liking. Hair, tats, build (slightly smaller or slightly bigger), height, etc, but KEEP the character in all the trailers as the MAIN, only allowing us to do little tweaks here and there. When I found out female Eivor was canon after I’m already 50 hours into the game it was kind of annoying, honestly..
I actually played female, being from a nordic country, it made zero sense for a male person to be named Eivor, which is a female name. If the developers did atleast 1 minute research of the name of their main character, then female would be canon
But that is the whole point tho, They did, Eivor is female, The male version is Havi/Odin. Since Eivor and Odin are similar people (Since she is a reincarnation) therefore the Animus can also project Eivor as Odin and Vice versa. Eivor and havi are two different people.
@@SirNoobWulf the male is still called Eivor in dialogue, but there are alot of strange things in the dialogue, f.ex Sigurd constantly calls Eivor drengr(drengur) which means boy in old norse / Icelandic. I’m honestly not sure what should be canon, but it feels very strange to be called Eivor in dialogue as male
It's because certain people at ubisoft wanted only a female character instead of both sexes. The decision was made to include a male version as they believed that would help sales... which it did I guess.
It’s EXTREMELY disingenuous that fem Eivor is canon. The promo material is male, the body type is male EVEN AS FEM EIVOR, the armors are fitted to male Eivor, armors are also clearly designed for a male, and obviously Odin is a male. You just know that some rainbow whale at Ubisoft threw a fit until the devs were like “Fine Eivors canonically a girl for fucks sake!”
I still think that male Eivor just captures the Viking more, partially because the female voice isn’t that good. The other reason is that, Vikings are probably the most masculine warrior one could think of; dirty, brash, living an extremely rural lifestyle. It’s for similar reasons that the GTA series has no male antagonists. With a female protagonist, the best was easily Aya. A female protagonist would be best portrayed with a more civilized and smart kind of warrior, like Aya, Aveline, Kassandra, and Evie. All are Assassins of much more civilized and intelligent groups, which is where female protagonists are the most convincing. Let’s be honest, who wants a loud, nasty protagonist, especially female. Male Eivor was a lot more 3-dimensional. I do agree that we need more female protagonists, this just wasn’t the game for it.
I agree, I prefer the male version as well because his voice acting is just excellent I am also still a bit mad that Aya was basically cut from her own game. Like she has her own fucking statue in AC2 Ubisoft, I think people will play as her anyway.
7:28 - plus Kassandra's VA put a lot of effort into the character, and it felt the game was designed for Kassandra as opposed to Alexios, Kassandra's VA also had a great voice to listen too.
It felt like the game was designed for Kassandra because it was. Ubisoft is scared that making a woman the sole character would hurt sales. Both odyssey and Valhalla actually has female as canon even though they keep lying that both are canon. And in ac origins aya was supposed to be the sole protagonist,but tg it didnt I love bayek.
@@Zanoladab Wasn't the whole world treating her as if she was a man? Men don't act the way they do in game around women. And definitely Kassandra wouldn't be allowed to do any of the things she does in Greece, a highly patriarchal society. Definitely the VA of Kassandra did a good job but it feels like the game should have had Alexios as the lead but performance wasn't great by the VA. It feels like a man's journey type of story and game just swapped with a female. It really feels like they didn't put enough effort into making the female cannon. Like what if you actually saw the sexism that Kassandra had to face to reach the spot she reached in game. And she triumphed through all of that, wouldn't that be a better story. Ubisoft is playing it way too safe with these games. But whatever, it's a fictional world.
@generalkenobi7609 Wrong a game developer said kassandra was created first before alexios and that kassandra was an only character before alexios was added so kassandra was always the main character and was always canon
@@Walstiny Aya if she was given a game where she is already going by the name Amulet and bringing the creed to Rome would’ve been better for an Aya AC game then they could’ve made another DLC where bayek and Aya meet again but this time bayek shows up in rome the opposite of what happens in the hidden ones dlc
@marsa7600 She is the main character though she was confirmed as the canon eagle bearer in valhalla also deimos is a male name so alexios fits better as that character
Ubisoft just feels like it’s operating politically. There were hints since the first game, which were so quiet that they could be missed. Now, it feels like it’s shouting loud enough to kill Alduin. The easiest thing to compare is the opening disclaimer.
don't reed this if you haven't finished the game so in the dream in asgard Odin kiled lokis sun and in his reicarnashon as basom her gose forsigard thinking he is odin but he is not eivor is and the only reson basome got confused is because eivor is female . sorryn for my spelling
You make great points i myself just felt like male eivoir was the cannon choice literally the note you mentioned is the only proof female eivoir is cannon while the rest of the game make male feel cannon and plus like you said i dont see odin coming back as a female but honestly ya i hate the female eivoir voice sounds like she smoked and drank gin for a living, btw didnt you start as a lil boy eivoir at the beginning of the game before character selection? I mean i could be wrong and it could have been lil girl eivoir with a buzz cut but i dont think so
Okay, I actually did a follow up video on this, There is more stuff. > As for the sage point, there is another sage who has a different gender, Sif. So it isn't as isolated as I thought(Also I didn't realise that sif actually had a reincarnation. > There is another proof with the bleeding effect. Basim actually sees Eivor in MD, Due to the bleeding effect, and that is also a lady. So that basically confirms that She is in fact canon. >The name Eivor is female so that just adds to all of this As for her VA, I personally prefer Magnus Brunn's performance so I played as the male version. at the end of the day, we do have that option so there is that. And yes we start of with a child who has a buzz cut, but it isn't explicit that the child is a boy. There is no reason why a little girl can't get that haircut(Tho I would definitely feel sorry for the poor girl xD) Canon is more of a theoretical thing. It's how writers intended things to work. The whole point of an RPG is that we can make our own stories, hwoever we are bound by the constraints placed by the writers and in the case of these recent "RPG"s there are waay too many such constraints. So in AC lore, Odin's reincarnation is a woman, Sif's reincarnation(halfdan) is a man. So far these are the two sages who have had this behaviour(that I know). This part is a spoiler for Mirage so skip it if you haven't played: Now with the additional context of mirage, We also saw that loki manifests as Nehal for Basim. So things aren't really as clear cut as it seemed at first. Again they were essentially experimenting with things and there is always a chance of things working out weirdly
@@jojojoestar508 I'm late but Why not? Odin is a god, a reincarnation is a new life in a new body. Why will it exactly block him to reincarnate at what he want ?
Bro not to sound like that guy, but we all know this is just ubi's way of being good with the twitter sops and SJW's. Just emagine if ubi said that male eivor was cannon, twitter would riot for a few weeks then move on to blame something else.
Yes, Especially considering the fact that multiple execs have been accused of "stuff" It is pretty obvious that representation is not on their agenda. This is of course the same company which said that adding a female character is hard because of the animations😂
It's so weird to me that this is your take. Up until recently Assassin's Creed has had 8 main male characters across 9 games. Evie was a co-protagonist in her game and I'm not counting Liberations as it was only ever seemed to be released on PSP. My best guess is that they want to branch out on to female leads but have to pander to guys. Cos you know the the fit guys can throw when they don't feel catered to.
@@SparkAce1 A lot of guys will play female characters. However, when it comes to AC Valhalla, I personally think male Eivor better fits the theme of the game.
Shield maiden is an interesting concept, so I don't mind. However, since Eivor Varinsdottir is female name anyway, they should have just proceeded with it. Instead, they add the choice of male protagonist without even bothering to give him a male name, and if you chose male character, you basically play as a bloke whose last name is daughter of Varin. xD AC Valhalla is quite good game, but I think they should have used that time and effort elsewhere than creating the mechanics that makes no sense whatsoever. I know there is also a lore explanation, but it rather looks like an excuse for not being able to decide on what character they want to establish.
But that's just it tho, There is technicvally no male protagonist. What you are seeing is the animus using Odin over Eivor. Odin is the guy, Eivor is the woman. They have identical DNA(cuz she is the reincarnation) so the animus can't quite get which is which(or it does cus it switches properly when you let it)
The Assassin's Creed games have made me realize how sexist I am...or maybe I'm just picking up on the fact that female Eivor is just a female man, not a woman. Every other female AC protagonist feels like a badass woman and I'd really like a game in the franchise that only has a female lead, no bs Animus shenanigans. Like Aya and Evie
I very much agree with what you say, but I still don't understand this canon female/male evior thing. So if female Evior is cannon, does that mean she's a version of Odin's reincarnation?
@@SirNoobWulf Why not? Gender is a question for humans, maybe it is not to gods. In nordic mithology, Loki transformed himself to a female horse and gave birth for exemple. Besides, in that case, Odin has reincarnated to a nordic female, with a culture advanced in gender equality for that period. He still could be a warrior as Eivor, even female, can be. I agree to the VA point, but not about Odin couldn't returns as a female.
@@KellyYasuttsunii7 But that's the thing, most gods have a certain gender and species look that we know of them in the base form. It's just that it's their superpower to shift to other things. So if Odin wanted to reincranate, it'll probably be male. As his base form is male. Like the video, says why not Freyja? All the other characters retain the gender, why not here? Just comes of as poor writing for the sake of whatever they are trying to do.
@@mistersoman LGBTQ Cult supporters is to blame with the writings...."look I get the whole love who you want" ..... but STOP RUBBING IT IN OTHER PEOPLES FACES! where's my choices.
@@mistersoman You just put your vision on this character. Nobody can say that Odin will do this or not because we don't know it. God have not the same problematics as human nor they have to justifiy a thing if they want to change. It would probably? No, you think that he would. That doesn't make it a truth. Well I know I'm late but still.
Yea female eivor has to be canon because that will explain why basim thought Sigurd was Odin because eivor was a girl.i just wish we can get one protagonist again ubisoft just doesn't want feminist complaining why it's only males protagonist girl or boy I just want assassin's creed back
My stance is if you want to make a female protagonist, Do it right. I don't care who the protagonist is, All I care about is that they have a good story to tell.
It is interesting that these games focus on to sides yet the best one out of them is one we never play fully which is Aya I would have killed if there was like a 2 sided story where Bayek does his stuff but you can choose Aya and do what she was doing before because just switching them doesn’t work it why AC Odyssey and Valhalla but more so with Valhalla that the voices are just bad no depth to them
I like Evy Frye and Aya. But i played as Kassandra and Alexios. And i preferred Alexios. And i like male Eivor more then i like female Eivor. I just think the way the story goes and the interactions with other characters in both Odyssey and Valhalla works better with a male character. I am all for a female assassin protagonist. But make it fit into the world/timeframe and make it atleast somewhat historically accurate so that it is mor believable.
@@Twilight24682 I know Kassandra is canon, doesn't mean I have to prefer her above Alexios just because she is the canon protagonist. And for the voice of Alexios, I prefer his over Kassandra's. That is just a preference, nothing to do about that.
@pietervangorp267 Alexios has an awful voice also in response about you mentioning historical accuracy in your post that you mentioned isu are not real neither are isu weapons or humans being part isu and a lot of the stuff in the game isn't acurate like werewolf like creatures or unicorns in odyssey
@@Twilight24682 yes, but it is set in our real world history. It is telling a story that fits in the history we know and have been telling for centuries. So make it believable that it is our History and make the protagonist fit in the historical setting. Again to the voice of Alexios. You can dislike it. That is your opinion. I have nothing wrong with that. I prefer Alexios voice over Kassandra's. That is my opinion/ preference.
@pietervangorp267 It might be set in the real world but last i checked minotaurs were not real neither were cyclops or medusa or even any other mythical beings kassandra fights so it isn't fully the real world and like i said isu are not real either
Man ... Basim looks at a female Eivor when he gets the bleeding effect near the camp fire at the end of the game .... odds are the protagonist is a female ... there are theories which state that it is a female/male canon depending on the memory
Nah The female version is definitely canon. No matter which one you play as the letter always says Varinsdottir and female eivor always appears in the bleeding effect no matter which one you chose. Canonically "Male eivor" is simply Havi/Odin/The Mad one.
Yeah that is essentially what happens of you let the animus chose it. Odin got reincarnated as Eivor and thus there are essentially two versions of the same person. One is the female eivor as we know her and the other is Odin himself. That was kinda what they were going for when eivor faces off against Odin. By rejecting Odin, eivor chose to be her own person rather than just Odin in a different body. Basim apparently never made that choice. He is loki in all but name.
True but she's dressed as Odin not male or female evoir.... so is it meant to be female evoir or was it originally Odin....... beacuse ubi isn't in a situation where pepole might sabotage the game for political reasons and revenge....
So then be honest and keep the male protagonist? What ubisoft has done with both Odyssey and Valhalla is a cheap way to just say that they are putting female leads in games. There can absolutely be a game made for a female assassin hailing from viking civilisations. This game is not that.
In my opinion, It's better that they have made it clear which is the canon version. One of the major ways Odyssey broke the lore was that for some people Alexios showed up in the modern day, But he doesn't exist in the lore.
@@SirNoobWulf Yea bro, I'm level 367 or something, almost done my story game play and I couldn't even sit right with my boy being called a she... Just screwed up, and the female Eivor looks like a man, just harsh facial bone features even for a strong woman just ..wow So I got the Soma mod lol so..now it's kinda bearable playing as the female besides braking the lore that used to be almost flawless At least in Odyssey they had both female and male looking armor that made playing as the female appealing to like, any fantasy adventure gamer Its like, they got Grandma into the studio to pick out the facial textures to render..just gross in my opinion Love the game though ACV is.. kinda like the new girl friend you just hate to love that makes you miss the X girl friend sometimes 😊
Spoilers If Eivor is supposed to be a sage to ISU Odin, then shouldn't what we already know about sages make male Eivor Canon? Every other sage in the games (basim, john, germaine, and black bart) are all born the same sex as their original counterpart (loki, aita). Therefore, why would Odin's sage have a different gender then the original reincarnation?
Yeah, I thought that at first as well, But turns out there is another sage who changed genders, Sif. And the process of these sages was somewhat different from Aita who was more of an experiment, so there definitely is a precedent for sages being born as a different gender. Also The letters in England and eivor appearing at the end of the game as a result bleeding effect pretty much show that the one running around in England was a woman
The Isu cutscene with a male Odin / Havi completely invalidates it for me, regardless whether or not some scroll uses the term "Varinsdottir." If humans were biologically derived from Isu and could even breed with them, "Odin's" essence (as a male Isu) would be linked to a Y chromosome and thus could never be passed to a female human. The fact that the creators of the game broke this sensible concept to "make female Eivor canon" as the claim goes seems like pandering, especially when they could have just written a Freyja character into the storyline for female Eivor players. Comes across as lazy to me. I know, I know, don't take it too seriously... it's just a fuckin video game.
I agree tbh ubisoft if I remember correctly they wanted a female protagonist in a AC game since syndicate but that game just kinda died so yeah and then we moved on to origins and they said that Aya WAS meant to be the protagonist for origins but they scrapped it idk why and again finally in odyssey and valhalla the female protagonist is canon so why did it take them so long to finally do it and nail it even then I like male Eivor anyways in my playthrough due to better voice acting but just my preference not saying female Eivor voice actor is bad or anything just preferred male Eivor and Alexios over kassandra in odyssey again for my preference I think Alexios put more "oomph" if you will into it then kassandra did at least again to me personally.
@@wodensthrone5215 But it's confirmed in canon that some Isu interbred with humans (hence why all humans in this game world have a very small percentage of Isu DNA in their genome, while sages have a higher amount but typically no more than 5%) ... I'm not just applying real world biology, it's literally written into the story and even the non-game materials.
@@christianh4723 Its also confirmed that we don't know everything that the isu did, Aita was able to create Greek mythology monsters out of humans, I don't rule out anything that the Isu can do. Y'all are too tore up over a woman being a reincarnation of another Isu.
@@wodensthrone5215 Not torn up about it (I even gave a disclaimer that it's just a fictional video game), doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on it. Kassandra / Alexios (depending on your choice) was the product of hybridization along maternal and paternal lines and their ancestry is left kind of ambiguous (although I still think that the "bloodlines" concept is equally goofy) so it really didn't make a difference to the story who was canon. On the other hand, literally all of the other humans in AC Valhalla that are reincarnations of Isu as the result of the Yggdrasil machine are the *same biological sex* as their original Isu... except for Odin. I guess you can hand wave it as "anything is possible with their technology" or "Isu biology doesn't follow the same rules," that's fair... I just think it could have been addressed more creatively.
@@SirNoobWulf One more thing that might seem irrelevant but, I dare say that's truly, truly tragic is the fact that you can't Romance Soma ! Like ...I smoke a lot a weed but duuude someone zoned out major
I would have prefered if she was an actual character, Instead of a skin over the main character. She is the canon protagonist yet it never feels like the game was focused on her.
Eivor Origin and Meaning The name Eivor is both a boy's name and a girl's name meaning "careful island; island defender; good luck". Traditionally a feminine name in Scandinavian culture, where these days it's mostly considered a grandmother name. Americans may associate it with Eivor Varinsdottir, a character from Assassain's Creed. She is likely the inspiration for the six sets of parents who gave this name to their sons in 2021 - no girls named Eivor were recorded. this shows that just because the character name is eivor doesn't mean its automatically a female there are many situation where female eivor makes no sense at all plus the male voice is much better and the armors looks better on him . im sure the only reason eivor last name is varinsdottir is because they can say female is canon to please certain people.
Iknew we are talking about female Eivor, but just wanna say that Eivor is a Female name, and always has been, and there is no current man in scandianvia named Eivor ;) // Scandinavian
Male Eivor is best suited the story in AC Valhala than female. Cause Shield Maiden (female viking) rarely describe in viking history as a raider or in direct confronted war. Shield maiden basically has job as personal guard for Jarl or King, guardian of the city, or as battle advisor as Randvik did. So shield maiden rarely involve as military personel or even as jomsviking raider. I have played AC Odyssey too, play both Alexios and Kassandra. However Kassandra is better than Alexios and she is canon. And Protagonist is a mercenary, so female mercenary is common in ancient greek, some of them usually deploy as spy or covert assassins.
@@darthpapa696 Yet when you fight as Kassandra you get no comment from NPCs or in story, how a female could be such a good fighter, running around killing so much people... I wanted that the game would have been more realistic when you play as a women, because if that would happen at any time in history you would have so many gasps from people around, because female fighter is very rare thing.
@@MrDjgalas and Kassandra fighting at the Pankration with bigger men is just ridiculous. It's like they just decided to make Kass canon out of nowhere when actually it's supposed to be Alexios
Louise Kassandra was always canon she was canon in the book that came before the game and according to the people who made the game she was created before alexios and was going to be an only character so no alexios was never going to be canon
Can’t possibly explain how offended I am that they took the chief god of my family’s heritages culture and had them reincarnate as a different gender. Disrespectful af
Well no, he isn’t actually female, yes he physically may be female but his conscience is still the same Odin. Like his sex is female but gender is male
Yes, she's indeed canon, but unfortunately Ubisoft doesn't seem ready to implement a solo female main character in their main game. You can see this being done to a lesser extent in AC Valhalla, but in AC Odyssey it's very clear who the canon playable character is -fake coughs Cassandra-, the same can be said about Origins, why focus on Bayek when you have motherfuckin' Amunet aka AYA. I think Valhalla was more enjoyable with male Eivor but the truth is they should've put all the effort into canon Eivor.
I honestly don't understand their decisions. Not at all. I love Bayek, Hell I even want a sequel but how the fuck do you sideline a character who is one of the most important people in your lore, Assassinated Caesar and has a fucking statue in one of the games 🤣 Ubi has lost touch with reality it seems.
@@SirNoobWulf from what I've heard their justification is that the player base is mostly male so to them men wouldn't be able to connect and or empathize with a female lead, which is absolute bs. Yes, we did enjoy male Eivor compared to his female alternative, but that's not because he's a man, that's because they focused more resources and talent to the male character, if they wanted to focus on a male Eivor then just make male Eivor canon, no need to have a convoluted system that let's you pick and choose if you want to be male or female. Stick with one character for fucks sake. At least the reasoning and effects of this is much lesser than in Odyssey for example, where you can choose which sibling you play as, which would be fine if the story changed depending on which one you chose. Alexios should be Deimos, and that would add a whole lot more replayability to the game. I also dislike the direction they're taking the franchise, with open world RPG and decision making, the Assassin's Creed saga has always been about reliving events from the past, not changing it, you don't play as Eivor, you play as Layla who is relieving Eivor's memories, not making choices. All we can do is wait and see what they'll do with AC Infinity but I don't expect anything good from it.
Yeah, and even that justification falls flat when they realize games like Zero dawn and Tomb raider exist and are better games than whatever mediocre dumpster fire Ubi has been putting out. And also about Odyssey, I absolutely wanted that. But no instead they decided to put little thought or effort and created plotholes and straight up broke the lore. Deimos showing up as Alexios in the modern day is absolutely ridiculous cuz no matter what trickery you use in the Animus, It doesn't change modern day xD I have no hope whatsoever for this franchise anymore. Infinity is just going to be another mindless drivel with microtransactions filled to boot and Just enough of the "Assassin's Creed" features half heartedly shoved in there so that they can show it off in the trailers and never actually use them.
Yes there were women, back in the Viking era that "went around killing people". Shieldmaidens would go into battle with their husbands and other men in their clans. Now, I completely agree that the voice acting of the female was terrible, they shouldve gotten a better one. However, I did play as female Eivor, and I also played Odyssey as Kassandra. Just because I like playing these games as the female characters. Lol but the reason they are including the females in these types of games is because of the whole WOKENESS cultrue and PC bullcrap now a days. They would get a bunch of shit and would probably get sued for being "sexist".. But yeah, I mean Im glad they did, cause like I said I enjoy playing as the female characters in these games, but hey thats just me and my opinion..
@@mattyice5290 Id refer you back to my comment to see anywhere that I said there werent more men than women.. The guy in the video said that there were no shield maidens that went into battle with the male warriors, and yet in many achaeological digs that focused on Norwegian Viking history, there were always female remains next to male remains found at battleground digs. So next time instead of trying to sound smart and start a fight open your eyes and read everything, plus do research and know what TF youre talking about you fruitcake.
Evie frye and kassandra really fit the role of being a protagonist, but female evior Ughh the voice acting is just... She tries to act masculine but fails to
Voice acting has little to do with it, I play it in Italian where she has a fairly good feminine voice and still she is embarassing, the problem is that Eivor as a character is a stereotypical pop culture viking, heavy drinker, rough manners, brash, loud, aggressive, overall uncouth, etc... wich fits when you are playing as a man, but as a female characters she just seems a ludicrous tryhard and feels out of place, the character is written too stereotypically masculine to fit a woman.
Why oh why do they want a female viking to be canon when they know the majority of people would play as the male one?? This does not come across as an organic or artistic choice, rather a forced woke choice. The fact they made 'her' look like a brick and sound like she's been taking testosterone supplements makes her even less appealing to play. Male Eivor in a wig would look more feminine than that beastly creation, beard and all.
So adding a female character that female gamers can play is woke dude ok you do know females game too or are you one of those only guys can play games people
Ideally yes, But the game chose to go in a different direction with that. The reincarnation of Sif is a guy now so there is that. Also From what I have heard Eivor is a woman's name. And of course it is used as such in the game.
The devs were going to go with only a woman character but then changed it to a selection to broaden the appeal. The name given to the character is female, and in the “let the animus choose” option you play as the female Eivor for the main parts of the game.
In my opinion if they want to take this RPG route then then the male female canon would have to cease. Honestly Kassandra in my opinion was a much better Deimos. But at least in Odyssey it had the sibling option which gave the story more of an interesting Greek tale. However you were addressed by proper pronouns and such. Valhalla doesn't hit that mark because it's the same character but only addressed in one way. It takes you out of the moment. It isn't about male vs female protagonists it's about giving the option meaning. They set themselves up for looking through multiple routes through time. I say that should be the reason why there's an option.
@@SirNoobWulf The calculations the Isu looked through to see the projected routes can actually be an interesting concept. It could map out your decisions so far and connect a web similar to the set up of the Order of Ancients. But they seriously dropped the ball with the "canon" protagonist in an RPG. It's annoying to hear the feminine pronouns when I only play as Male Eivor. Just the way they went about justifying it was stupid. I say flood the AC feeds about this decision and say just give us the option prior to starting.
Moving Ahead I just want a single protagonist. There is nothing this dual protagonist swap does that a single protagonist cannot do better. Instead of wasting time effort and resources trying to achieve parity between two interchange character skins I would much rather have improved and consistent cutscenes.
@@SirNoobWulf or just the male female option prior to even beginning the game. That would solve the problem. One route and an Ancestor that could have been the one observed in one possible timeline.
Alexios en Odissey y Eivor hombre en Valhalla son los que mejor se ven en sus respectivas historias en lugar de poner elección de sexos mejor hubieran ahorrado y trabajado en hacer más carismáticos y épicos a esos personajes y posiblemente hubiéramos tenido otro Ezio con Alexios o Eivor xd
For me male Eivor will always be canon for three simple reasons: 1) his voice is much better than female Eivor 2) he is voiced by Magnus Bruun and as a big Last kingdom fan, I can't overlook this 3) vinland saga (propably the best viking shows) chooses male eivor over female eivor
@user-ze1sy6hl2b Male eivor isn't canon though the female is the male is odin/havi also eivor is a female name so it would be dumb calling a male character eivor
I agree with the sentiment, it's weird. That's why I no longer treat AC games seriously, I apply my headcanon. There is no such thing as female Eivor in my game. Thank you Ubisoft for forcing me to ignore your crappy writers. I make the canon now.
AC Odyssey and AC Valhalla made me so mad with their cannon gender, because on both of these games female warriors make no sense. Let's start with Odyssey. There were no spartan women warriors in ancient Greece, but while I play the game they are everywhere. I couldn't even play as a Cassandra in this game, because her being main character made no sense story wise, even though her voice actor was better. Women in ancient Greece barelly had any freedom and I really got mad that this game forced equality in the place and time where there was none of it. Sorry, but women were not free on those times and couldn't do what they wanted. Sure if they wanted to make Cassandra the main character in that game, they could have fixed that by making her the only female warrior running around and saying the story about how hard it was for her to become a warrior, because she is a women and women aren't allowed, also when you interact with other characters they could have made comments about her a female being a warrior/fighter. But now there are no comments about that it is the same dialogue as you play for male. AC Valhalla is not as bad as AC Odyssey, but even though viking women had more freedoms, most of fighters were men. Even if there were any female viking warriors there was not that many, but while I play the game I see almost half of them. Plus, I believe if you play as a female you should get those comments when you fight that a woman warrior can't defeat you, because they are weaker and so on. Now we get none of it. AC 1 devs removed crossbow from their game, because it was historically innacurate and now we get so much bullshit in the last 2 AC games... I just can't play as a female in both of those games, because historically it makes no sense for them to be female :/
@@MrDjgalas finding out both were female canon ruined both games for me, i feel Ubisoft are pushing an agenda. And i actually liked both games but it totally ruined the entire experience for me.
@@MrDjgalas It's called being progressive without putting any of the effort of a normal writer. And Viking women weren't in most of the raids and major battles, maybe not even most probably never. And shieldmaidens, are probably a myth aswell. These writers literally put in no effort to make their story feel authentic.
Ubisoft did the exact same thing with Kassandra in Assassin's Creed Odyssey. Alexios was given the most marketing and is even on the game case cover, despite the fact that Kassandra is the confirmed canon protagonist of the game. Like, that's just weird to me and doesn't make any sense. If game developers wanted a female protagonist, then why put the male counterpart on the front cover and make him the selling point? Were they afraid that gamers wouldn't want to play their game if a woman was featured on the cover? Because if so, then why even make her the protagonist anyways? This is a clear case of false advertising, and to me.
Ubisoft is not stupid, so they made the best marketing decision. To appease both their customers and the media critics. The customers want male and the critics want female, so they made both.
@thebatmanofneo-gotham5667 Kassandra is on the cover of physical copies of the game its reversible and she is also on the book about the game also female eivor is also on physical copy of the game too
Eivors last name is Varinsdottir which means varins daughter so yeah she is even if you play as the male character it doesn’t change so female Eivor is canon
As a Nordic man I have the authority to tell everyone to shut up and not play eivor as a male. Eivor varinsdottir in translation is literally Eivor… DAUGHTER of Varin. It’s like nameing your son “Susan the daughter of Steven”. Or naming your daughters “Adam the son of Helena”
@poopo4806 People can say what they like dude you don't control one's speech and ypu are playing as havi/odin seeing female eivor is the canon eivor and eivor is a female name not a male
What’s crazy to me is the fact that some characters refers to male Evior as she which is incredibly lazy from the studio. It’s a single pronoun and the writing team can’t address to both genders of the game 🤦🏽♂️
Yeah, dude that's because there aren't two genders. The "Eivor" is female. The male counterpart we are playing as is havi/odin being projected in by the Animus, he doesn't actually exist in England. Eivor is a reincarnation of Odin so the Animus treats both as the same person. But odin/havi is from the ISU times and the Eivor running around in England is female.
So what it isn’t sexist Ubisoft just don’t want to have to make the same trailer for each trailer but edit it so there’s a female evior and besides there is a trailer where Ubisoft did that exact thing
male eivor is....Canon. you can't change my mind cuz. of some toxic feminine logic. He fits soooo much better.....acting is on key from him and he shows better emotions.
Um....Bro, There is no logic here, Eivor is a woman's name. The name inside the game is literally 'Eivor Varinsdottir'. As in the *Daughter* of Varin. The male version is just Odin.
They didn't really change much, In some of the later commentaries they said they thought of afew things before they landed on this idea. It wasn't a spur of the moment decision, Even if that decision was later let down by the marketing
@@SirNoobWulf yeah they even did it with odyssey to I’m coo with odyssey being a woman because kassandra is a really good character but at the beginning they were definitely putting off the fact the actual man character was the male evor because even in the first few trailers the CGI trailers they would always show the male evor he’s supposed to be odin it would make sense if it was like a female going through the animus and experienced Odin life that way but they didn’t put it that way it’s a female aka Layla going through the animus to experience evor life and evor experience the past life of Odin how does that make any sense if it’s a 2 different females experiencing Orin’s life it makes way more sense in terms of Assassin’s creed logic if evor was actually a man because he’s actually Odin I don’t know if I’m explaining it right I’m trying to say it doesn’t make sense if it a female going through another female all the way to Odin it makes way more sense with how basically all assassin creeds work if it’s just the modern character which is Layla going through the animas To see evors like as a man and that man experience his past life a Odin in odyssey it makes sense that it’s a female because it just Layla going back to experience kassandra the voice actor that does the male evor voice is even more known the the female evor I don’t even know who she is to be honest I feel like if they wanted the canon character in the beginning to be female they would have gotten a bigger name to Voice act for her and just gotten a less expensive voice actor for the male evor but they didn’t im pretty sure they got the actor from the show THE LAST KINGDOM to voice evor because they planned on him being the front runner why els would they put more money for the male voice if they was just planning on having it be the female from the beginning it just seems like a waste I just feel like they changed it because now everything is all about female empowerment and there just trying to please the people that care about that so they look better
@bluegrim4252 No they didn't with odyssey a developer confirmed kassandra was originally an only character and was created before alexios they added alexios later on as people would moan if it was just kassandra but kassandra was always the main character and was always canon
The male is actually odin/havi but the animus gets confused and thinks the male is also eivor but the female eivor is actually eivor this is said at the start of the game that is why they have the same name
This male/female designs makes me stop and think if it's worthy waste my money in this game. Female Eivor is like taking feminist Barbie head and put on a Ken doll.
I am of the firm belief that if you want to make a female character, just make a female character. I don't want a genderless clone to be my protagonist.
Actually the female side is historically accurate both genders are but female Vikings were amazing in combat and were more likely to sneak around the stronger females were named after the valkery because of the dangerous way of fighting that not many could compete with
I personally prefer the Male VA. My biggest problem is obviously the Odin connection. I still feel like Sif or Freya would have been a great option to be Eivor's ISU counterpart
Thats your opinion and i respect that. But the way it was exicuted, it felt like it was fitted for male eivor but ubi said the female version was canon just so twitter and "game journalists" wouldn't blow thier top.
Its not woke I've got plenty of games that go woke and this one ain't it, yes there have been proof that women have been vikings and have fought in battles please do research head cutter
And in the book for this game they straight out call her shieldmaiden or a female viking and they did exist tons of sagas written about them look it up and if you need me to I can give you some names
Its not that, Its as I said in the video, The things that they have done in the seem counterintuitive to female eivor being canon in the game. Like You had Freyja in the game, why not make eivor her reincarnation instead of odin? Surely that would have fit in much better.
@@Sophie-tg8gu there is no Proof of women fighting in Viking battle and yes the sagas were just mythology characters and even lagertha was not real but a fictional character based on a danish queen with a different name
@@SirNoobWulf well when you play as male eivor and you find out the canon character is female and especially after reading that note in Alfred secret room
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I think it makes more sense that Eivor is female, because that explains why Basim didn't recognize her like he recognized Sigurd.
Yeah, The story itself justifies properly that Eivor is a woman.
agreed Kassandra fits well as main character in odyssey but female evior does not i think male evior is 10x better
Basim never remembered faces or voices. He thought Sigurd was Odin the whole game which is why he was so close to him. He saw the mark on his neck which was the same as him and he knew Sigurd was a sage. Eivor had the bite scar cover hers
At this point I feel the developers are just promoting female assassins in a rush, frankly I don’t mind if they are canon but I just wish they would take the damn time to develop a good story for that female assassin like how they focused on Altair and Ezio solo, no gender choosing shit. Just focus on the character any gender would do man.
Yeah. If only they had the sense to do that
Finally somebody else says it.
Yep. I would to have an actual AC game on Shao Jun.
The devs want their cake and to eat it too. It's ridicuously obvious on a second playthrough that NPC's are talking to a woman, even when playing as a man, and a codex entry even refers to you as her....
yet when that big CGI cinematic releases for the reveal, there's no female character they were so proud to make in sight.
Man, Male Eivor was unbelievable. The voice acting, the Viking persona but to make female canon is just a bit shit tbf
I feel like it just works better with magnus brunn's performance. Not to take away from eivor's VA but I feel like the general approach that was taken for "male" eivor to give him sort of a poetic almost soft spoken voice works really well for eivor's character
The voice acting for the male is terrible wtf lol I hate his voice it's actually annoying lol
I think that the only reason why female eivor is canon is because of feminism
Nothing to do with feminism ubisoft wants to include all gamers including female gamers because unlike you they don't see the gaming industry as male only and want to include female gamers
Idk why Kassandra fits then so much better than Alexios and female Eivor not, male Eivor is overall just better
What do you mean lol? Kassandra doesn’t fit either. She’s literally embarking on a man’s journey in Greece. She fits better as Deimos because it actually makes sense…
@@khayree7929 nah man Alexios really doesnt fit in this story this was made for a woman you can clearly see that
@@BdasKeF dude Greek mythology and everything about the game is centered for man. If anything was made for a woman it was definitely Valhalla where male eivor has a literal girl name along with the fact that he gets in the most fruitiest positions when another male is trying to romance him.
@@BdasKeF Cass maybe the so called "canon" protagonist but Alexios was created in mind when developing AC Odyssey.
Also even though the game has fantasy elements, credibility is still important because Cass won't have a damn chance winning a Pankration tournament with trained opponents that are heavier that her
Also women are not allowed to join Pankration
Funny thing is the Olympics quest in odyssey kinda ruins kassandra as a Canon MC considering women aren't allowed to watch the games if they are single yet kassandra was not only allowed to watch, but also participate.
Eivor is a girl name
Varinsdottir, which is Eivor's last name, literally means the daughter of Varin.
they name boys Avery back then too....
I've played as both male and female Eivor.. call me sexist.. but the Male Eivor was just an overall better experience for me. 💁♂️
Yup, no offence to lady eivor but Magnus Bruun absolutely kills it.
I agree, I am a woman and I prefer male Eivor🤷♂️. It's a better experience for me too
Yep
Besides, if i am going to be a viking, i want to have beard
It's not sexist to say male Eivor is a better experience for you. It is probably be best though, to be aware of social biases and avoid thinking Female Eivor as lesser.
Magnus Brunn’s voice acting tho, Jesus this man needs an Oscar or something
canon or not I really don't care I'm playing as male Ivor
I did too, I like his VA more.
yeah male ivor have a better voice
That's literally the point of the choice. It's totally your prerogative to do so.
Bro is actually smart unlike everyone else fighting about this, same bro.
You mean you are playing as odin/havi as eivor is actually the female character not the male
Vikings were predominantly male, shield maidens were actually a rarity as they mostly guarded small settlements when there was a lack of manpower, yet female combatants in the Viking world were more common than female Anglo-Saxon warriors for instance, so it’s not totally immersion breaking. However male Eivour seems more plausible in the gameplay considering the type of challenges and interactions (apart from the out of place homosexuality) the player goes through. I would have preferred a more tailored experience for female and male characters which are more historically/biologically accurate. It’s totally immersion breaking when female Eivour can outmatch a 6ft tall Saxon Thegn with her sheer strength and deep voice. I’d argue that the female Eivour should have more assassination/dialogue perks and buffs & strength handicaps. Then male Eivour having more Vikinger perks & assassination handicaps. I think it would cause for more strategic play especially for a female character which would be more accurate and probably more enjoyable.
I also suspect that the devs knew making this a female only experience with their current character model would have been an epic failure, despite the gameplay being the same as the male version, I find that very telling.
Are you a misoginist?
Eivor is a female name it makes no sense to call a male eivor also it is the female who is canon the male is odin
@@fariqabyanaaah yes, the usuals gets offended
Male Eivor is canon for me few reasons 1 the VA is actually good unlike female VA it’s difference of a better actor a higher tier I would say .2 because I choose it to be canon Ubisoft can’t even figure out what’s canon anymore and it doesn’t matter if they say female Eivor is canon majority and I mean overwhelming majority play as Male Eivor 😂
I'd have to strongly disagree with you on both counts her.
Female Eivor's voice actor is far superior. It has much more character to it and much more enjoyable to listen to.
Also, I think your assumption that the 'overwhelming majority' play as male is a bit of a stretch. Most people I know played as female and as far as I can tell, the real stats haven't been released.
I personally felt Havi/Odin's VA was better. As for the stats, I think they released stats from Odyssey which showed that 2/3rds had picked Alexios. But I wouldn't Consider that stat either as there is a heavy bias. With the amount of marketing around Alexios, Obviously people picked him more. So in that sense, Ubi influenced the stat in Alexios's favour.
U expect a female warrior to sound like a princess?
100% agree with you. I’ve heard dialogues from both female and male Eivor and I gotta say that the male voice actor does a phenomenal job in tonality which I find the female counterpart to be lacking; it seems... Dull, in a sense
It also helps that the male voice actor for eivor has experience playing a viking, being Cnut in The Last Kingdom on netflix
Yeah, female Eivor wearing male armors and suits is a downer.
In Odyssey alot of the armors had a female look and a male look, the same pieces change form to fit Alexios and to fit Kassandra with female clothing, she had a lot of female options, even the exclusive Wonder Woman outfit.
Eivor has nothing female, not even more option for her bra, she just wears that same filthy cloth with that armor exposing the chest.
Which Odyssey game did you play? Because no the armors did not change to suit Kassandra. The only one that was female was the Amazon one. Which is why it's the most used. The Armors were the biggest problem I had with that game. Playing a Kassandra. Because they all made her look like a man body with a female head.
@@nathanielthomas4071 bro are you blind or what? armors clearly change depending on the sex you choose
@@thiagoalabat Please tell me which armor chaged to look feminine. With your 20/20👀🤣😎Men need to be men and women just need to be women. F all his gener bending sh!t. Next time they make a female she better be a lady😁😎 with feminine armors.
Sigurd does not resemble tyr at all if you look at the visions.
And there is an other instens where Birstans wife Alfida referres to Eivor as a she after you rescued here.
4:30 Actually Sif (whose a woman) was confirmed to be reincarnated into Faravid (whose a man), lieutenant and war chief of Halfdan.
Yeah I missed that when I made the video
I think the next step they will take would be a full on create an assassin rpg. However they can make that work. There is so many ppl who don’t want to be one of the other and I think that’s the biggest problem. I personally play as whomever the main protagonist is and when given the option always choose to play as a dude. But if they make a protagonist twins again with customization options and different dialogue & personality (maybe different missions for each one boasting Replayability) they could make both sides happy
Yes, But I think we can all agree that Ubisoft will pick the dumbest possible option so that they don't have to put much effort or resources into it.
@@SirNoobWulf we can considering what they’re plans are for the future now. I can see them just making them twins and giving the same dialogue options and personality and just pic whomever as canon
They really wanted to push some Feminist agenda to get more players
I don't have a problem with female character.. BUT ATLEAST MAKE IT GOOD
Male Eivor had a good voice actor played by Magnus Bruun who also played Cnut in The Last Kingdom, another viking show
Imagine them hiring a better character with only one protagonist for example them hiring Travis Fimmel who played Ragnar in Vikings instead of two actors, it would be so cool and would break the internet
Its not even to get more players. Because from what we have learnt since, Its quite clear that it was about simply having a female character.
And As I said in the video they could have handled that differently as well. Magnus brunn didn't need to be the Eivor, He could have been Odin and his reincarnation while our Eivor could have simply been a different god.
@@SirNoobWulf You would be surprised to know that how many people buy a game just fore the female character
Also if it was between those two characters then I would choose male eivor because of his voice and I generally like beards and all, I chose canon option at the start and I had to switch to male
If ubisoft wants to make female characters then make them good instead of just adding it for the sake of being a female
Precisely. I did the same as well. If you look at my gameplay videos most of them have female Eivor cuz I went with the canon option.
But then halfway through I switched to Male Eivor cuz it was just better.
No offense to the VA for female Eivor but Magnus brunn killed it.
My guy, I don't know what half this says as the spelling is atrocious but I do get a lot of petulant whining.
Literally no one is pushing any agenda. Women just exist and having female protagonists is actually better than trying to uphold the patriarchy by inferring it was only males that did anything noteworthy throughout history and only males can be heroes.
Hiring Travis Fimmle wouldn't "break the internet" just because he was in Vikings. Don't be ridiculous. Also both Eivor's are exactly the same character really. They both have the same dialogue and nothing at all about the story changes. There's no agenda pushed especially when you literally have a choice.
Lastly, take a step back. At it's heart, Assassin's Creed is historical fantasy. None of it at all is real. The game has warring secret organisations, precursor races and technology that might as well be magical. Nit pick on that instead.
@@SparkAce1 How is wanting a good character patriarchy?
And yes, both having same lines is what the problem is, they just feel like clones with different voice and one has a beard. And how are males being the only hero? Clearly you dont play many games, also representation can go fuck itself, I dont care if there is no female, gay, trans, non binary, fat, disabled character in a game, All I want it is to be good.. Look what your sjw kind did to Saints Row
For the life of me I can’t understand why Ubisoft feels the need to allow us to “choose” our character. If you want an immersive, RPG elemental experience, just give us a character and allow us to customize said character to our liking. Hair, tats, build (slightly smaller or slightly bigger), height, etc, but KEEP the character in all the trailers as the MAIN, only allowing us to do little tweaks here and there. When I found out female Eivor was canon after I’m already 50 hours into the game it was kind of annoying, honestly..
I actually played female, being from a nordic country, it made zero sense for a male person to be named Eivor, which is a female name. If the developers did atleast 1 minute research of the name of their main character, then female would be canon
But that is the whole point tho, They did, Eivor is female, The male version is Havi/Odin.
Since Eivor and Odin are similar people (Since she is a reincarnation) therefore the Animus can also project Eivor as Odin and Vice versa.
Eivor and havi are two different people.
@@SirNoobWulf the male is still called Eivor in dialogue, but there are alot of strange things in the dialogue, f.ex Sigurd constantly calls Eivor drengr(drengur) which means boy in old norse / Icelandic. I’m honestly not sure what should be canon, but it feels very strange to be called Eivor in dialogue as male
It's because certain people at ubisoft wanted only a female character instead of both sexes. The decision was made to include a male version as they believed that would help sales... which it did I guess.
It’s EXTREMELY disingenuous that fem Eivor is canon. The promo material is male, the body type is male EVEN AS FEM EIVOR, the armors are fitted to male Eivor, armors are also clearly designed for a male, and obviously Odin is a male. You just know that some rainbow whale at Ubisoft threw a fit until the devs were like “Fine Eivors canonically a girl for fucks sake!”
Remember when we were chasing Templars for the P.O.E with a simple/fixed story arc
Yeah :(
I still think that male Eivor just captures the Viking more, partially because the female voice isn’t that good.
The other reason is that, Vikings are probably the most masculine warrior one could think of; dirty, brash, living an extremely rural lifestyle. It’s for similar reasons that the GTA series has no male antagonists.
With a female protagonist, the best was easily Aya. A female protagonist would be best portrayed with a more civilized and smart kind of warrior, like Aya, Aveline, Kassandra, and Evie. All are Assassins of much more civilized and intelligent groups, which is where female protagonists are the most convincing. Let’s be honest, who wants a loud, nasty protagonist, especially female. Male Eivor was a lot more 3-dimensional. I do agree that we need more female protagonists, this just wasn’t the game for it.
I agree, I prefer the male version as well because his voice acting is just excellent
I am also still a bit mad that Aya was basically cut from her own game. Like she has her own fucking statue in AC2 Ubisoft, I think people will play as her anyway.
@@SirNoobWulf As cool as Bayek was, Aya easily was a better character. Not to mention absolutely beautiful.
Yeah I'm on team male
Am I the only one that hates the males voice lol
7:28 - plus Kassandra's VA put a lot of effort into the character, and it felt the game was designed for Kassandra as opposed to Alexios, Kassandra's VA also had a great voice to listen too.
Yeah, One of the reasons I could bear Odyssey somewhat is because the VA was really cool.
It felt like the game was designed for Kassandra because it was. Ubisoft is scared that making a woman the sole character would hurt sales. Both odyssey and Valhalla actually has female as canon even though they keep lying that both are canon. And in ac origins aya was supposed to be the sole protagonist,but tg it didnt I love bayek.
@@Zanoladab Wasn't the whole world treating her as if she was a man? Men don't act the way they do in game around women. And definitely Kassandra wouldn't be allowed to do any of the things she does in Greece, a highly patriarchal society. Definitely the VA of Kassandra did a good job but it feels like the game should have had Alexios as the lead but performance wasn't great by the VA. It feels like a man's journey type of story and game just swapped with a female. It really feels like they didn't put enough effort into making the female cannon. Like what if you actually saw the sexism that Kassandra had to face to reach the spot she reached in game. And she triumphed through all of that, wouldn't that be a better story. Ubisoft is playing it way too safe with these games. But whatever, it's a fictional world.
@generalkenobi7609
Wrong a game developer said kassandra was created first before alexios and that kassandra was an only character before alexios was added so kassandra was always the main character and was always canon
Eivor literally is a female name in scandinavian culture...
Unisex
@@jeffporcaro4517 No, its not. Scandinavian countries has no males named Eivor. Its a female name. Not unisex.
Kassandra was clearly the superior female protagonist. Plus, Aya deserved far more playability in origins.
Yes and Yes
Aya is literally awful, what are you talking about
@@Walstiny Aya if she was given a game where she is already going by the name Amulet and bringing the creed to Rome would’ve been better for an Aya AC game then they could’ve made another DLC where bayek and Aya meet again but this time bayek shows up in rome the opposite of what happens in the hidden ones dlc
She was good as Deimos.. sorry, i can't see her as a protagonist.
@marsa7600
She is the main character though she was confirmed as the canon eagle bearer in valhalla also deimos is a male name so alexios fits better as that character
Ubisoft just feels like it’s operating politically.
There were hints since the first game, which were so quiet that they could be missed.
Now, it feels like it’s shouting loud enough to kill Alduin.
The easiest thing to compare is the opening disclaimer.
What people dont get is Eivor Wolf-Kissed was a real person and she was a woman and she did actually go on raids you can look this up
Wait, like an actual person in history?
@@SirNoobWulf yes she was a real person in History
don't reed this if you haven't finished the game so in the dream in asgard Odin kiled lokis sun and in his reicarnashon as basom her gose forsigard thinking he is odin but he is not eivor is and the only reson basome got confused is because eivor is female . sorryn for my spelling
Yeah, Basim doesn't realise that Eivor is Odin until the very end.
With Magnus Bruun doing the voice of Male Eivor? He will always be my choice in this game.
Same to be fair.
Who's that?
I don’t care I’m not playing as an female Viking
I mean the way Eivor acts is feminine. Also the name Eivor is a name of a woman from Nordic Countries and Eivar is the male counter part of the name
You make great points i myself just felt like male eivoir was the cannon choice literally the note you mentioned is the only proof female eivoir is cannon while the rest of the game make male feel cannon and plus like you said i dont see odin coming back as a female but honestly ya i hate the female eivoir voice sounds like she smoked and drank gin for a living, btw didnt you start as a lil boy eivoir at the beginning of the game before character selection? I mean i could be wrong and it could have been lil girl eivoir with a buzz cut but i dont think so
Okay, I actually did a follow up video on this, There is more stuff.
> As for the sage point, there is another sage who has a different gender, Sif. So it isn't as isolated as I thought(Also I didn't realise that sif actually had a reincarnation.
> There is another proof with the bleeding effect. Basim actually sees Eivor in MD, Due to the bleeding effect, and that is also a lady. So that basically confirms that She is in fact canon.
>The name Eivor is female so that just adds to all of this
As for her VA, I personally prefer Magnus Brunn's performance so I played as the male version. at the end of the day, we do have that option so there is that.
And yes we start of with a child who has a buzz cut, but it isn't explicit that the child is a boy. There is no reason why a little girl can't get that haircut(Tho I would definitely feel sorry for the poor girl xD)
Canon is more of a theoretical thing. It's how writers intended things to work. The whole point of an RPG is that we can make our own stories, hwoever we are bound by the constraints placed by the writers and in the case of these recent "RPG"s there are waay too many such constraints.
So in AC lore, Odin's reincarnation is a woman, Sif's reincarnation(halfdan) is a man. So far these are the two sages who have had this behaviour(that I know).
This part is a spoiler for Mirage so skip it if you haven't played:
Now with the additional context of mirage, We also saw that loki manifests as Nehal for Basim. So things aren't really as clear cut as it seemed at first. Again they were essentially experimenting with things and there is always a chance of things working out weirdly
I don't like the female version he suppose to be The Reincarnation of Odin so much gender confusion
I don't have a problem with the female but that's exactly what I'm saying he's and reincarnation of Odin so why female?
@@jojojoestar508 I'm late but Why not? Odin is a god, a reincarnation is a new life in a new body. Why will it exactly block him to reincarnate at what he want ?
I heavily agree with you, idm the sage thing but i struggle with choosing male or female
Bro not to sound like that guy, but we all know this is just ubi's way of being good with the twitter sops and SJW's. Just emagine if ubi said that male eivor was cannon, twitter would riot for a few weeks then move on to blame something else.
Yes, Especially considering the fact that multiple execs have been accused of "stuff" It is pretty obvious that representation is not on their agenda.
This is of course the same company which said that adding a female character is hard because of the animations😂
It's so weird to me that this is your take. Up until recently Assassin's Creed has had 8 main male characters across 9 games. Evie was a co-protagonist in her game and I'm not counting Liberations as it was only ever seemed to be released on PSP.
My best guess is that they want to branch out on to female leads but have to pander to guys. Cos you know the the fit guys can throw when they don't feel catered to.
@@SparkAce1 A lot of guys will play female characters. However, when it comes to AC Valhalla, I personally think male Eivor better fits the theme of the game.
@@SparkAce1then why not make an actual female protagonist instead of their "choice" 🤷🏻♀️
@@kesdasan3603 Cos ubisoft are not only cowards but the company actively does not like Women and wouldn't want a sole Female lead.
Shield maiden is an interesting concept, so I don't mind. However, since Eivor Varinsdottir is female name anyway, they should have just proceeded with it. Instead, they add the choice of male protagonist without even bothering to give him a male name, and if you chose male character, you basically play as a bloke whose last name is daughter of Varin. xD AC Valhalla is quite good game, but I think they should have used that time and effort elsewhere than creating the mechanics that makes no sense whatsoever. I know there is also a lore explanation, but it rather looks like an excuse for not being able to decide on what character they want to establish.
But that's just it tho, There is technicvally no male protagonist. What you are seeing is the animus using Odin over Eivor. Odin is the guy, Eivor is the woman. They have identical DNA(cuz she is the reincarnation) so the animus can't quite get which is which(or it does cus it switches properly when you let it)
The Assassin's Creed games have made me realize how sexist I am...or maybe I'm just picking up on the fact that female Eivor is just a female man, not a woman. Every other female AC protagonist feels like a badass woman and I'd really like a game in the franchise that only has a female lead, no bs Animus shenanigans. Like Aya and Evie
Tbf tho, Eivor is a reincarnation of Odin, She definitely inherited some of his qualities
I very much agree with what you say, but I still don't understand this canon female/male evior thing. So if female Evior is cannon, does that mean she's a version of Odin's reincarnation?
Yes, That is true and also yes, that doesn't make much sense.
@@SirNoobWulf Why not? Gender is a question for humans, maybe it is not to gods. In nordic mithology, Loki transformed himself to a female horse and gave birth for exemple. Besides, in that case, Odin has reincarnated to a nordic female, with a culture advanced in gender equality for that period. He still could be a warrior as Eivor, even female, can be. I agree to the VA point, but not about Odin couldn't returns as a female.
@@KellyYasuttsunii7 But that's the thing, most gods have a certain gender and species look that we know of them in the base form. It's just that it's their superpower to shift to other things. So if Odin wanted to reincranate, it'll probably be male. As his base form is male. Like the video, says why not Freyja? All the other characters retain the gender, why not here? Just comes of as poor writing for the sake of whatever they are trying to do.
@@mistersoman LGBTQ Cult supporters is to blame with the writings...."look I get the whole love who you want" ..... but STOP RUBBING IT IN OTHER PEOPLES FACES! where's my choices.
@@mistersoman You just put your vision on this character. Nobody can say that Odin will do this or not because we don't know it. God have not the same problematics as human nor they have to justifiy a thing if they want to change. It would probably? No, you think that he would. That doesn't make it a truth. Well I know I'm late but still.
Yea female eivor has to be canon because that will explain why basim thought Sigurd was Odin because eivor was a girl.i just wish we can get one protagonist again ubisoft just doesn't want feminist complaining why it's only males protagonist girl or boy I just want assassin's creed back
My stance is if you want to make a female protagonist, Do it right. I don't care who the protagonist is, All I care about is that they have a good story to tell.
It is interesting that these games focus on to sides yet the best one out of them is one we never play fully which is Aya I would have killed if there was like a 2 sided story where Bayek does his stuff but you can choose Aya and do what she was doing before because just switching them doesn’t work it why AC Odyssey and Valhalla but more so with Valhalla that the voices are just bad no depth to them
THANK YOU. This. Exactly this
@@SirNoobWulfNah Aya should have gotten her solo game in Rome while Bayek should have gotten his in Jerusalem and Egypt
I like Evy Frye and Aya. But i played as Kassandra and Alexios. And i preferred Alexios. And i like male Eivor more then i like female Eivor. I just think the way the story goes and the interactions with other characters in both Odyssey and Valhalla works better with a male character. I am all for a female assassin protagonist. But make it fit into the world/timeframe and make it atleast somewhat historically accurate so that it is mor believable.
Sorry but alexios has an awful voice also alexios isn't canon it is kassandra
@@Twilight24682 I know Kassandra is canon, doesn't mean I have to prefer her above Alexios just because she is the canon protagonist. And for the voice of Alexios, I prefer his over Kassandra's. That is just a preference, nothing to do about that.
@pietervangorp267
Alexios has an awful voice also in response about you mentioning historical accuracy in your post that you mentioned isu are not real neither are isu weapons or humans being part isu and a lot of the stuff in the game isn't acurate like werewolf like creatures or unicorns in odyssey
@@Twilight24682 yes, but it is set in our real world history. It is telling a story that fits in the history we know and have been telling for centuries. So make it believable that it is our History and make the protagonist fit in the historical setting.
Again to the voice of Alexios. You can dislike it. That is your opinion. I have nothing wrong with that. I prefer Alexios voice over Kassandra's. That is my opinion/ preference.
@pietervangorp267
It might be set in the real world but last i checked minotaurs were not real neither were cyclops or medusa or even any other mythical beings kassandra fights so it isn't fully the real world and like i said isu are not real either
Man ... Basim looks at a female Eivor when he gets the bleeding effect near the camp fire at the end of the game .... odds are the protagonist is a female ... there are theories which state that it is a female/male canon depending on the memory
Nah The female version is definitely canon. No matter which one you play as the letter always says Varinsdottir and female eivor always appears in the bleeding effect no matter which one you chose.
Canonically "Male eivor" is simply Havi/Odin/The Mad one.
@@SirNoobWulf So the male version is isu odin interfering with the female ( canon ) version ... far better than let the animus choose option
Yeah that is essentially what happens of you let the animus chose it.
Odin got reincarnated as Eivor and thus there are essentially two versions of the same person. One is the female eivor as we know her and the other is Odin himself.
That was kinda what they were going for when eivor faces off against Odin. By rejecting Odin, eivor chose to be her own person rather than just Odin in a different body.
Basim apparently never made that choice. He is loki in all but name.
True but she's dressed as Odin not male or female evoir.... so is it meant to be female evoir or was it originally Odin....... beacuse ubi isn't in a situation where pepole might sabotage the game for political reasons and revenge....
The best way to fix this is making two playable characters. I hope in the next ASC will come with these feature.
True, I would love a system like Claire/Leon from RE2, Two different stories coinciding with each other.
@@SirNoobWulf Jacob/Evie system in Ac syndicate.
Why couldn’t they just make him only a dude he’s a fucking Viking
Exactly, way too many fems at Ubisoft
“Ubisoft needed to sell this game and a female lead playing the part of world conquering Viking prodigy couldn’t do it, and it’s expected.”
So then be honest and keep the male protagonist? What ubisoft has done with both Odyssey and Valhalla is a cheap way to just say that they are putting female leads in games. There can absolutely be a game made for a female assassin hailing from viking civilisations. This game is not that.
Yea like 😆 my male Eivor keeps getting called she lol I mean..
In my opinion, It's better that they have made it clear which is the canon version.
One of the major ways Odyssey broke the lore was that for some people Alexios showed up in the modern day, But he doesn't exist in the lore.
@@SirNoobWulf Yea bro, I'm level 367 or something, almost done my story game play and I couldn't even sit right with my boy being called a she... Just screwed up, and the female Eivor looks like a man, just harsh facial bone features even for a strong woman just ..wow
So I got the Soma mod lol so..now it's kinda bearable playing as the female besides braking the lore that used to be almost flawless
At least in Odyssey they had both female and male looking armor that made playing as the female appealing to like, any fantasy adventure gamer
Its like, they got Grandma into the studio to pick out the facial textures to render..just gross in my opinion
Love the game though
ACV is.. kinda like the new girl friend you just hate to love that makes you miss the X girl friend sometimes 😊
@@andyklassen853 "ACV is.. kinda like the new girl friend you just hate to love that makes you miss the X girl friend sometimes"
LOL xD
That is because eivor is canon female and the male character you are playing as is odin/havi not eivor also eivor is a female name
Spoilers
If Eivor is supposed to be a sage to ISU Odin, then shouldn't what we already know about sages make male Eivor Canon? Every other sage in the games (basim, john, germaine, and black bart) are all born the same sex as their original counterpart (loki, aita). Therefore, why would Odin's sage have a different gender then the original reincarnation?
Yeah, I thought that at first as well, But turns out there is another sage who changed genders, Sif. And the process of these sages was somewhat different from Aita who was more of an experiment, so there definitely is a precedent for sages being born as a different gender.
Also The letters in England and eivor appearing at the end of the game as a result bleeding effect pretty much show that the one running around in England was a woman
@@SirNoobWulfThe letter was an oversight or a bug, I finished the game today and the latter said clearly: "Eivor Varinsson"
Who said this ??
And npcs call you she even when playing as a Male
Yeah, The male option is actually just the animus showing Odin I stead of Eivor, The actual Eivor is female
The Isu cutscene with a male Odin / Havi completely invalidates it for me, regardless whether or not some scroll uses the term "Varinsdottir." If humans were biologically derived from Isu and could even breed with them, "Odin's" essence (as a male Isu) would be linked to a Y chromosome and thus could never be passed to a female human. The fact that the creators of the game broke this sensible concept to "make female Eivor canon" as the claim goes seems like pandering, especially when they could have just written a Freyja character into the storyline for female Eivor players. Comes across as lazy to me.
I know, I know, don't take it too seriously... it's just a fuckin video game.
I agree tbh ubisoft if I remember correctly they wanted a female protagonist in a AC game since syndicate but that game just kinda died so yeah and then we moved on to origins and they said that Aya WAS meant to be the protagonist for origins but they scrapped it idk why and again finally in odyssey and valhalla the female protagonist is canon so why did it take them so long to finally do it and nail it even then I like male Eivor anyways in my playthrough due to better voice acting but just my preference not saying female Eivor voice actor is bad or anything just preferred male Eivor and Alexios over kassandra in odyssey again for my preference I think Alexios put more "oomph" if you will into it then kassandra did at least again to me personally.
The isu are aliens, you're applying non fiction biology.
They did human experimentation as well.
@@wodensthrone5215 But it's confirmed in canon that some Isu interbred with humans (hence why all humans in this game world have a very small percentage of Isu DNA in their genome, while sages have a higher amount but typically no more than 5%) ... I'm not just applying real world biology, it's literally written into the story and even the non-game materials.
@@christianh4723 Its also confirmed that we don't know everything that the isu did, Aita was able to create Greek mythology monsters out of humans, I don't rule out anything that the Isu can do.
Y'all are too tore up over a woman being a reincarnation of another Isu.
@@wodensthrone5215 Not torn up about it (I even gave a disclaimer that it's just a fictional video game), doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on it.
Kassandra / Alexios (depending on your choice) was the product of hybridization along maternal and paternal lines and their ancestry is left kind of ambiguous (although I still think that the "bloodlines" concept is equally goofy) so it really didn't make a difference to the story who was canon. On the other hand, literally all of the other humans in AC Valhalla that are reincarnations of Isu as the result of the Yggdrasil machine are the *same biological sex* as their original Isu... except for Odin. I guess you can hand wave it as "anything is possible with their technology" or "Isu biology doesn't follow the same rules," that's fair... I just think it could have been addressed more creatively.
That doesn't make female Eivor a better character.
I can't believe I am agreeing with a Real madrid fan xD
LoL what ever the Female Eivor is dope.. but, would have been nice if the armors actually fit ??? On the female Eivor lol
Yea... That's just messed up
Yeah
@@SirNoobWulf One more thing that might seem irrelevant but, I dare say that's truly, truly tragic is the fact that you can't Romance Soma !
Like ...I smoke a lot a weed but duuude someone zoned out major
I feel like when choosing female eivor her movements should not be the same default cuz some are too masculine for her
I would have prefered if she was an actual character, Instead of a skin over the main character. She is the canon protagonist yet it never feels like the game was focused on her.
Eivor Origin and Meaning
The name Eivor is both a boy's name and a girl's name meaning "careful island; island defender; good luck".
Traditionally a feminine name in Scandinavian culture, where these days it's mostly considered a grandmother name. Americans may associate it with Eivor Varinsdottir, a character from Assassain's Creed. She is likely the inspiration for the six sets of parents who gave this name to their sons in 2021 - no girls named Eivor were recorded.
this shows that just because the character name is eivor doesn't mean its automatically a female there are many situation where female eivor makes no sense at all plus the male voice is much better and the armors looks better on him . im sure the only reason eivor last name is varinsdottir is because they can say female is canon to please certain
people.
Could be, I am just saying what they did put in the game, I do not want to get into the intentions of their decision cuz that might get dicey
Iknew we are talking about female Eivor, but just wanna say that Eivor is a Female name, and always has been, and there is no current man in scandianvia named Eivor ;) // Scandinavian
Yeah, This was brought up Even before the game was released I guess Now We know. It was a choice between Eivor and Havi/Odin
WTF !!! Male Eivor is the best character in all Assassin's creed game
With the legend's Altair and Edward and Ezio..😌🖤
Male Eivor is best suited the story in AC Valhala than female. Cause Shield Maiden (female viking) rarely describe in viking history as a raider or in direct confronted war. Shield maiden basically has job as personal guard for Jarl or King, guardian of the city, or as battle advisor as Randvik did. So shield maiden rarely involve as military personel or even as jomsviking raider.
I have played AC Odyssey too, play both Alexios and Kassandra. However Kassandra is better than Alexios and she is canon. And Protagonist is a mercenary, so female mercenary is common in ancient greek, some of them usually deploy as spy or covert assassins.
@@darthpapa696 Yet when you fight as Kassandra you get no comment from NPCs or in story, how a female could be such a good fighter, running around killing so much people... I wanted that the game would have been more realistic when you play as a women, because if that would happen at any time in history you would have so many gasps from people around, because female fighter is very rare thing.
@@MrDjgalas and Kassandra fighting at the Pankration with bigger men is just ridiculous.
It's like they just decided to make Kass canon out of nowhere when actually it's supposed to be Alexios
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Kassandra was always canon she was canon in the book that came before the game and according to the people who made the game she was created before alexios and was going to be an only character so no alexios was never going to be canon
@@Twilight24682 yet it feels like the game was created with Alexios in mind
Can’t possibly explain how offended I am that they took the chief god of my family’s heritages culture and had them reincarnate as a different gender. Disrespectful af
Well no, he isn’t actually female, yes he physically may be female but his conscience is still the same Odin. Like his sex is female but gender is male
@@_.sbeatle_.9060 no
Yeah no
Yes, she's indeed canon, but unfortunately Ubisoft doesn't seem ready to implement a solo female main character in their main game. You can see this being done to a lesser extent in AC Valhalla, but in AC Odyssey it's very clear who the canon playable character is -fake coughs Cassandra-, the same can be said about Origins, why focus on Bayek when you have motherfuckin' Amunet aka AYA. I think Valhalla was more enjoyable with male Eivor but the truth is they should've put all the effort into canon Eivor.
I honestly don't understand their decisions. Not at all.
I love Bayek, Hell I even want a sequel but how the fuck do you sideline a character who is one of the most important people in your lore, Assassinated Caesar and has a fucking statue in one of the games 🤣
Ubi has lost touch with reality it seems.
@@SirNoobWulf from what I've heard their justification is that the player base is mostly male so to them men wouldn't be able to connect and or empathize with a female lead, which is absolute bs.
Yes, we did enjoy male Eivor compared to his female alternative, but that's not because he's a man, that's because they focused more resources and talent to the male character, if they wanted to focus on a male Eivor then just make male Eivor canon, no need to have a convoluted system that let's you pick and choose if you want to be male or female.
Stick with one character for fucks sake. At least the reasoning and effects of this is much lesser than in Odyssey for example, where you can choose which sibling you play as, which would be fine if the story changed depending on which one you chose. Alexios should be Deimos, and that would add a whole lot more replayability to the game.
I also dislike the direction they're taking the franchise, with open world RPG and decision making, the Assassin's Creed saga has always been about reliving events from the past, not changing it, you don't play as Eivor, you play as Layla who is relieving Eivor's memories, not making choices.
All we can do is wait and see what they'll do with AC Infinity but I don't expect anything good from it.
Yeah, and even that justification falls flat when they realize games like Zero dawn and Tomb raider exist and are better games than whatever mediocre dumpster fire Ubi has been putting out.
And also about Odyssey, I absolutely wanted that. But no instead they decided to put little thought or effort and created plotholes and straight up broke the lore. Deimos showing up as Alexios in the modern day is absolutely ridiculous cuz no matter what trickery you use in the Animus, It doesn't change modern day xD
I have no hope whatsoever for this franchise anymore. Infinity is just going to be another mindless drivel with microtransactions filled to boot and Just enough of the "Assassin's Creed" features half heartedly shoved in there so that they can show it off in the trailers and never actually use them.
Yes there were women, back in the Viking era that "went around killing people". Shieldmaidens would go into battle with their husbands and other men in their clans.
Now, I completely agree that the voice acting of the female was terrible, they shouldve gotten a better one.
However, I did play as female Eivor, and I also played Odyssey as Kassandra. Just because I like playing these games as the female characters. Lol but the reason they are including the females in these types of games is because of the whole WOKENESS cultrue and PC bullcrap now a days. They would get a bunch of shit and would probably get sued for being "sexist"..
But yeah, I mean Im glad they did, cause like I said I enjoy playing as the female characters in these games, but hey thats just me and my opinion..
I’d refer you to Sons of Wodens comment on the first part
@@mattyice5290 Id refer you back to my comment to see anywhere that I said there werent more men than women..
The guy in the video said that there were no shield maidens that went into battle with the male warriors, and yet in many achaeological digs that focused on Norwegian Viking history, there were always female remains next to male remains found at battleground digs.
So next time instead of trying to sound smart and start a fight open your eyes and read everything, plus do research and know what TF youre talking about you fruitcake.
What do you mean terrible? I'm a biological man and I prefer female Eivor. She's powerful, has a good personalnity, strong voice and everything
Evie frye and kassandra really fit the role of being a protagonist, but female evior
Ughh the voice acting is just...
She tries to act masculine but fails to
Voice acting has little to do with it, I play it in Italian where she has a fairly good feminine voice and still she is embarassing, the problem is that Eivor as a character is a stereotypical pop culture viking, heavy drinker, rough manners, brash, loud, aggressive, overall uncouth, etc... wich fits when you are playing as a man, but as a female characters she just seems a ludicrous tryhard and feels out of place, the character is written too stereotypically masculine to fit a woman.
Why oh why do they want a female viking to be canon when they know the majority of people would play as the male one?? This does not come across as an organic or artistic choice, rather a forced woke choice. The fact they made 'her' look like a brick and sound like she's been taking testosterone supplements makes her even less appealing to play. Male Eivor in a wig would look more feminine than that beastly creation, beard and all.
So adding a female character that female gamers can play is woke dude ok you do know females game too or are you one of those only guys can play games people
You're saying it like no women has ever played an AC game prior to Origins?? 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️@@Twilight24682
Male evior should be canon
Yep, it's way cooler being a male viking
Eivor is the reincarnation of Odin "The All Father"
So Eivor should be a male
Eventhough I heard Scandinavian folks say that Eivor is a girl's name
Ideally yes, But the game chose to go in a different direction with that. The reincarnation of Sif is a guy now so there is that.
Also From what I have heard Eivor is a woman's name. And of course it is used as such in the game.
The devs were going to go with only a woman character but then changed it to a selection to broaden the appeal. The name given to the character is female, and in the “let the animus choose” option you play as the female Eivor for the main parts of the game.
thats why the trailer is a guy character
@@dmgzz740 marketing
@@dmgzz740ubisoft made both omg😂
In my opinion if they want to take this RPG route then then the male female canon would have to cease. Honestly Kassandra in my opinion was a much better Deimos. But at least in Odyssey it had the sibling option which gave the story more of an interesting Greek tale. However you were addressed by proper pronouns and such.
Valhalla doesn't hit that mark because it's the same character but only addressed in one way. It takes you out of the moment. It isn't about male vs female protagonists it's about giving the option meaning.
They set themselves up for looking through multiple routes through time. I say that should be the reason why there's an option.
I think we can count on Ubisoft to select the dumbest possible ways to make two playable protagonists 😂
@@SirNoobWulf The calculations the Isu looked through to see the projected routes can actually be an interesting concept. It could map out your decisions so far and connect a web similar to the set up of the Order of Ancients.
But they seriously dropped the ball with the "canon" protagonist in an RPG. It's annoying to hear the feminine pronouns when I only play as Male Eivor. Just the way they went about justifying it was stupid. I say flood the AC feeds about this decision and say just give us the option prior to starting.
Moving Ahead I just want a single protagonist.
There is nothing this dual protagonist swap does that a single protagonist cannot do better.
Instead of wasting time effort and resources trying to achieve parity between two interchange character skins I would much rather have improved and consistent cutscenes.
@@SirNoobWulf or just the male female option prior to even beginning the game. That would solve the problem. One route and an Ancestor that could have been the one observed in one possible timeline.
Alexios en Odissey y Eivor hombre en Valhalla son los que mejor se ven en sus respectivas historias en lugar de poner elección de sexos mejor hubieran ahorrado y trabajado en hacer más carismáticos y épicos a esos personajes y posiblemente hubiéramos tenido otro Ezio con Alexios o Eivor xd
For me male Eivor will always be canon for three simple reasons:
1) his voice is much better than female Eivor
2) he is voiced by Magnus Bruun and as a big Last kingdom fan, I can't overlook this
3) vinland saga (propably the best viking shows) chooses male eivor over female eivor
And eivor is male on the cover
@togepipi
Female eivor is also on the cover it's reversible if you have physical copies of the game also same with odyssey and kassandra
@user-ze1sy6hl2b
Male eivor isn't canon though the female is the male is odin/havi also eivor is a female name so it would be dumb calling a male character eivor
Bro fix your mic I beg you.
I got a new one now :)
I agree with the sentiment, it's weird. That's why I no longer treat AC games seriously, I apply my headcanon. There is no such thing as female Eivor in my game. Thank you Ubisoft for forcing me to ignore your crappy writers. I make the canon now.
AC Odyssey and AC Valhalla made me so mad with their cannon gender, because on both of these games female warriors make no sense. Let's start with Odyssey. There were no spartan women warriors in ancient Greece, but while I play the game they are everywhere. I couldn't even play as a Cassandra in this game, because her being main character made no sense story wise, even though her voice actor was better. Women in ancient Greece barelly had any freedom and I really got mad that this game forced equality in the place and time where there was none of it. Sorry, but women were not free on those times and couldn't do what they wanted. Sure if they wanted to make Cassandra the main character in that game, they could have fixed that by making her the only female warrior running around and saying the story about how hard it was for her to become a warrior, because she is a women and women aren't allowed, also when you interact with other characters they could have made comments about her a female being a warrior/fighter. But now there are no comments about that it is the same dialogue as you play for male.
AC Valhalla is not as bad as AC Odyssey, but even though viking women had more freedoms, most of fighters were men. Even if there were any female viking warriors there was not that many, but while I play the game I see almost half of them. Plus, I believe if you play as a female you should get those comments when you fight that a woman warrior can't defeat you, because they are weaker and so on. Now we get none of it.
AC 1 devs removed crossbow from their game, because it was historically innacurate and now we get so much bullshit in the last 2 AC games... I just can't play as a female in both of those games, because historically it makes no sense for them to be female :/
@@MrDjgalas Same dude, playing as Kassandra or Female Eivor feels wrong and uncomfortable for me if you know how were those times for women
@@MrDjgalas finding out both were female canon ruined both games for me, i feel Ubisoft are pushing an agenda. And i actually liked both games but it totally ruined the entire experience for me.
@@Vidy4. Me too
@@MrDjgalas It's called being progressive without putting any of the effort of a normal writer. And Viking women weren't in most of the raids and major battles, maybe not even most probably never. And shieldmaidens, are probably a myth aswell. These writers literally put in no effort to make their story feel authentic.
Ubisoft did the exact same thing with Kassandra in Assassin's Creed Odyssey. Alexios was given the most marketing and is even on the game case cover, despite the fact that Kassandra is the confirmed canon protagonist of the game. Like, that's just weird to me and doesn't make any sense.
If game developers wanted a female protagonist, then why put the male counterpart on the front cover and make him the selling point? Were they afraid that gamers wouldn't want to play their game if a woman was featured on the cover? Because if so, then why even make her the protagonist anyways? This is a clear case of false advertising, and to me.
I think you are looking for a more dignified response than "They are idiots". But I can't do that
Because they are idiots 🤣
Ubisoft is not stupid, so they made the best marketing decision. To appease both their customers and the media critics. The customers want male and the critics want female, so they made both.
@thebatmanofneo-gotham5667
Kassandra is on the cover of physical copies of the game its reversible and she is also on the book about the game also female eivor is also on physical copy of the game too
No, she's not
Dude I literally just pointed to the proof that is in game.
Eivors last name is Varinsdottir which means varins daughter so yeah she is even if you play as the male character it doesn’t change so female Eivor is canon
@@Twilight24682make eivor is better tho
As a Nordic man I have the authority to tell everyone to shut up and not play eivor as a male. Eivor varinsdottir in translation is literally Eivor… DAUGHTER of Varin. It’s like nameing your son “Susan the daughter of Steven”. Or naming your daughters “Adam the son of Helena”
I agree kinda weird they chose a female name for this game also female eivor is awesome and deserves more love
You have no right to say anything. I chose male cry about it
@poopo4806
People can say what they like dude you don't control one's speech and ypu are playing as havi/odin seeing female eivor is the canon eivor and eivor is a female name not a male
@@TheBogeyman744 seems I managed to make someone get a lil triggered
@@virtuosobertzzi2321 nah it’s just goofy you think you got some authority 💀
What’s crazy to me is the fact that some characters refers to male Evior as she which is incredibly lazy from the studio. It’s a single pronoun and the writing team can’t address to both genders of the game 🤦🏽♂️
Yeah, dude that's because there aren't two genders. The "Eivor" is female. The male counterpart we are playing as is havi/odin being projected in by the Animus, he doesn't actually exist in England.
Eivor is a reincarnation of Odin so the Animus treats both as the same person. But odin/havi is from the ISU times and the Eivor running around in England is female.
female evior is the reincarnation of male evior who is havi! Plain sexism that female evior isnt on the promo stuff!
So what it isn’t sexist Ubisoft just don’t want to have to make the same trailer for each trailer but edit it so there’s a female evior and besides there is a trailer where Ubisoft did that exact thing
How is it sexist that the male eivor just feels more in theme in the trailers?
male eivor is....Canon. you can't change my mind cuz. of some toxic feminine logic. He fits soooo much better.....acting is on key from him and he shows better emotions.
Evior is a real life female name though
@@nosfonader8792 so Is Avery.....
@@pinseekergaming4760 She has connections to Odin, His reincarnation
Um....Bro, There is no logic here, Eivor is a woman's name. The name inside the game is literally 'Eivor Varinsdottir'. As in the *Daughter* of Varin. The male version is just Odin.
Yeah but they changed it because before it was a man now it’s a girl all the sudden
They didn't really change much, In some of the later commentaries they said they thought of afew things before they landed on this idea. It wasn't a spur of the moment decision, Even if that decision was later let down by the marketing
@@SirNoobWulf yeah they even did it with odyssey to I’m coo with odyssey being a woman because kassandra is a really good character but at the beginning they were definitely putting off the fact the actual man character was the male evor because even in the first few trailers the CGI trailers they would always show the male evor he’s supposed to be odin it would make sense if it was like a female going through the animus and experienced Odin life that way but they didn’t put it that way it’s a female aka Layla going through the animus to experience evor life and evor experience the past life of Odin how does that make any sense if it’s a 2 different females experiencing Orin’s life it makes way more sense in terms of Assassin’s creed logic if evor was actually a man because he’s actually Odin I don’t know if I’m explaining it right I’m trying to say it doesn’t make sense if it a female going through another female all the way to Odin it makes way more sense with how basically all assassin creeds work if it’s just the modern character which is Layla going through the animas To see evors like as a man and that man experience his past life a Odin in odyssey it makes sense that it’s a female because it just Layla going back to experience kassandra the voice actor that does the male evor voice is even more known the the female evor I don’t even know who she is to be honest I feel like if they wanted the canon character in the beginning to be female they would have gotten a bigger name to Voice act for her and just gotten a less expensive voice actor for the male evor but they didn’t im pretty sure they got the actor from the show THE LAST KINGDOM to voice evor because they planned on him being the front runner why els would they put more money for the male voice if they was just planning on having it be the female from the beginning it just seems like a waste I just feel like they changed it because now everything is all about female empowerment and there just trying to please the people that care about that so they look better
@bluegrim4252
No they didn't with odyssey a developer confirmed kassandra was originally an only character and was created before alexios they added alexios later on as people would moan if it was just kassandra but kassandra was always the main character and was always canon
I play female cause eivor is actually a female viking name and I hate the male voice it's actually annoying lol
I personally enjoy havi's voice more, But to each their own 🙌
Tho the name is definitely female. Because the character is female.
@@SirNoobWulf the male and female have the same name in the game but ok lol
The male is actually odin/havi but the animus gets confused and thinks the male is also eivor but the female eivor is actually eivor this is said at the start of the game that is why they have the same name
This male/female designs makes me stop and think if it's worthy waste my money in this game. Female Eivor is like taking feminist Barbie head and put on a Ken doll.
I am of the firm belief that if you want to make a female character, just make a female character. I don't want a genderless clone to be my protagonist.
Male Eivor reminds me of a neanderthal that's learning how to walk and speak.
xD
Female eivor is best
no
On god you’re wrong
I agree and kassandra too
Your opinion doesn't mean shit. Make eivor is way better
Actually, there were female Vikings and they did help with the killing as well.
I don’t like playing as a female character at all
Actually the female side is historically accurate both genders are but female Vikings were amazing in combat and were more likely to sneak around the stronger females were named after the valkery because of the dangerous way of fighting that not many could compete with
I like that we got a character like this. I would have liked it even better if she was handled better
@@SirNoobWulf the assassin’s creed gameplay could have been better cause it’s impossible to be sneaky in that game
Yeah, My experiments with stealth in this game haven't gone great
No, there were no female Vikings.
@@mrbust999 yes there absolutely were
Male eivor only exists because the Animus shows the DNA of odin as well since she is a sage
I’ve always preferred female Eivor to the male one the game is better playing as her in my opinion
I personally prefer the Male VA. But that is my own personal preference.
I respect your opinion we both like different things
@@Twilight24682 I do not respect your opinion. How dare you think freely?!
@tuba3000
I know shameful i apologise for thinking freely 😂
@@Twilight24682whoa ultra feminist caught
There were plenty of female Vikingr doing plenty of fighting, it is most certainly historically accurate, ALSO female Eivor is way better than male.
I personally prefer the Male VA. My biggest problem is obviously the Odin connection. I still feel like Sif or Freya would have been a great option to be Eivor's ISU counterpart
Thats your opinion and i respect that. But the way it was exicuted, it felt like it was fitted for male eivor but ubi said the female version was canon just so twitter and "game journalists" wouldn't blow thier top.
@@BrotherBarakiel996 Male Eivor's voice was too timid for me, hard to take him serious when the scene demands it.
Vikingr
I agree female Eivor is my favourite out of the two I prefer her to the male one she’s badass
Nah mate female Eivor felt so animated and bland whereas Male Eivor, you felt like a fucking Viking
This is a woke feminist game and never have been proof of women going to battle
That is what I hate more than anything, Don't go 'woke' just for the sake of it.
Its not woke I've got plenty of games that go woke and this one ain't it, yes there have been proof that women have been vikings and have fought in battles please do research head cutter
And in the book for this game they straight out call her shieldmaiden or a female viking and they did exist tons of sagas written about them look it up and if you need me to I can give you some names
Its not that, Its as I said in the video, The things that they have done in the seem counterintuitive to female eivor being canon in the game.
Like You had Freyja in the game, why not make eivor her reincarnation instead of odin? Surely that would have fit in much better.
@@Sophie-tg8gu there is no Proof of women fighting in Viking battle and yes the sagas were just mythology characters and even lagertha was not real but a fictional character based on a danish queen with a different name
No male evior is cannon
Dude I literally just explained why that is not the case
No male eivor is actually havi/odin it is female eivor who is eivor and female eivor is the canon one
Eivor is a transgender character
No, She is definitely a woman.
@@SirNoobWulf well when you play as male eivor and you find out the canon character is female and especially after reading that note in Alfred secret room
Yeah that doesn't mean eivor is transgender, That just means that the female eivor was replaced by the animus.
@@SirNoobWulf eivor has a female body with the conscience of a man sounds pretty transgender to me. Eivor’s sex is female but gender is male
Do you even know what you're talking about ?, I mean really ?
No female eivor is not cannon.
She literally is tho
No
You saying that isn't going to change the lore bro
Nah it will
She is the male is havi/odin ubisoft have already confirmed it
Alexios and male Eivor are better characters
No kassandra and female eivor are and they wre both the canon characters
@@Twilight24682yep you're def a liberal 😂