I find it so funny that we can be one hundred percent understanding of someone who has depression or anxiety, but not mental illnesses that make people lash out. To my understanding, bipolar disorder makes you codependent, insecure, and EMOTIONAL. Your feelings swing left and right, if it’s hard for you to deal with, imagine how the person with the disease feels. And when Josie blamed her for not taking her medication I got mad. No one likes feeling numb, or like a zombie, and that’s mostly what medication does I assume. Feeling nothing at all is so much worse than feeling everything. People seriously need to be more understanding of her. Geez
I’ve never heard of bipolar disorder making you codependent bipolar is having manic and depression episodes which you would be insecure about but I’m not sure ( not a psychologist) that it’s directly connected also never heard it being described as a disorder that makes you “lash out” people do get angry in episodes of mania though so I imagine that’s what that was showing. I do understand how Josie got upset that Lizzie wasn’t taking her meds because meds do make you feel pretty shit but you can be dangerous without them and it’s your responsibility to not put people around in any sort of danger it also puts a lot of strain on another family member if you do that I’ve seen it I really want surprised when Josie snapped under pressure I’ve seen people say to not forget Lizze is a teenager but you can’t forget Josie is one too.
@@gingerninja4237 Well, perhaps bipolair doesn't immediatly come with codependency, but people with mental illnesses do tend to have codependency issues. Sometimes, they are unfit to take care of themselves and need a caretaker. If this caretaker is a relative or someone else they have a long-term relationship outside of the caretaker role, then it creates a bond that can easily turn into co-dependency. Josie was Lizzie's caretaker because Alaric was too busy running the scchool to be Lizzie's, and because they already are twins, this is the perfect recipe to create co-dependency.
Yessssss! Like at least she admits it and tries but also shows the struggles she goes through! The only thing I didn't like about her and never will is when she was boy crazy! Idk if she still is in season 3 but yeah
Lizzie Saltzman deserves the world! She's been called selfish but in truth she's just a teenager going though all the ups and downs having to prove to everyone she's not just the "bitchy" twin. She's just someone who wants to be loved but with Caroline gone most of the time, Alaric having to look over all the kids, and Josie trying to figure out who she is it's not easy for her to get that love.
With her life being so bad and how jealous of Hope she is she should do a spell and switch with Hope's life then she would know what It feels like to have both her parents out of her life 4 a long time -she has Alaric n Caroline and she got to see and feel Josette when she came back..Hope can not
being a teenager and also having bipolar disorder is tough. i don’t get why people hate on lizzie. yes she has issues but she acknowledges them and is trying to get better.
Honestly, the reason I dislike Penelope is the fact that because Josie doesn't stand up for herself against Lizzie, Penelope is going to do it for her by making Lizzie's life hell. Does she even realize how cruel that is? To ruin someone's life because her crush is too weak to stand up for herself.
She made Josie stand up for herself by being a bitch to her....but whatever she did to Lizzie....that was out of pure hate....it was just plain cruel....especially when she called Lizzie a black hole of love, and time, and energy....that was actually really painful
Nicole x The reason lizzie was narcissistic in season one was because josie emotionally manipulated her, was fully aware it was her fault, let her get worse without saying anything, and after all that, did not apologize when caught. On that basis alone, I have to agree.
josie had balck magic and was kinda evil but lizzie is gonna be like kai there both bipolor and the defective twin and in and episode someone said lizzie will goo crazy and kill jo
I hate how everyone seems to forget that these are all teenagers and that Lizzie is a bipolar teenager with magical powers that are tied to her emotions. Penelope, at 16/17 years old has no right to try and sabotage the one support system Lizzie has in Josie- especially when Caroline is gone and Alaric is constantly running off with Hope and keeping secrets from her. I never understood how Penelope came to feel like she knew what was best for Josie (who is more than capable of standing up for herself) or how she came to the conclusion that antagonizing her emotionally vulnerable and fragile bipolar sister was what was best. And, yet, somehow Posie is somehow the "best relationship".
Cutekitten19 Love it Penelope was her Own BREED. I wish Lulu could Come back, shes an amazing actresses who sadly had to play whatever the heck kind of mess Penelope was
Josie seems darker underneath than Lizzie. You can see all of Lizzie...tantrums and all. Josie represses all her emotions and hides her resentment. This adds fuel to her darker side which comes out sometimes as we see in season 2.
Lizzie grew on me. I really liked the genie episode cause it really showed how good she is. And I get that she doesn't want to take her medication and stuff cause some of that stuff makes people a shell of themselves.
@@Maria-pg5cu I actually feel sorry for penelope. She believed lizzie was a genuine narcissist, and just wanted to stick up for josie in the only way possible (narcissists are impossible to reason with, so you have to hit hard). She had no idea that josie was playing her and lizzie against each other the whole time
Actually, I'm very scared for Lizzie. Aurora de Martel's bipolar disorder led her to suicide and it just got worse with vampirism. Tristan spend eternity trying to help her, he gave her all of his love, but nothing ever helped her and she ended up under a sleeping curse forever. I don't want Lizzie and Josie to become Aurora and Tristan. That's just too sad.
But recall Aurora was somewhere secluded for a peace of mind. Those kind of things probably happened to her all the time being left somewhere in “order to heal”. It can’t help much to be away from those you love. How many friends do we see Aurora really have? Lizzie has a huge support group and goes a school that is meant to help supernaturals, I have hope for her.
@@LovelyGamer115 lizzie doesn't have a support group she has mg josie and maybe hope her dad is never really there and sometimes neither is josie and hope so whi does she really have
I really love Lizzie. Watching Legacies made me think, finally a teen show with mental illnesses done right! I have high functioning Autism myself (meaning without intellectual disability) and even though we have different disorders, I could actually relate to certain Lizzie scenes myself. Also, to anyone commenting Autism isn't a mentall illness, this is untrue. It is, that's just something Karens have made up so they could try to give their kid a pass from the stigma, which I find absolutely disgusting behavior.
I mean autism isn't scientifically speaking a "mental illness", it's a neurological disability which, though very similar to some extent, is not the same thing. It's not disgusting to say so as long as you come up with valid arguments lmao. And saying so doesn't invalidate what you're going through you're just missing people's point
I just realised a big plot hole in Legacies. Remember in S7 of TVD the Heretics drew all of the humans out of Mystic Falls. There was only Wolfs, Witches and vampires. Plus the Heretics. And That was about 16 years ago, Rafeal and Landon are about 17/18. And they grew up in an oprahange in Mystic Falls that did not exist in TVD. Sooooo that's a masive loophole
*I have always admired how deep Penelope’s love is to Josie, but dumb bitch how dare she make fun of someone else’s illness? Lizzie might be self absorbed but Josie have as much as a say to what everything her sister is doing. Lizzie is right Josie is at fault too, she’s taking care of her sister because she likes to take care of her, it just gets overwhelming most of the time leaving no room for anyone else, and I think because of that Penelope felt neglected and jealous. I’m glad about Lizzie’s character development at season 2, she toned down her craziness, but the twins is not as close as they was before, leaving Josie to herself. She’s finally got the time to know her own dark side and that’s what scares me.*
People think that I’m crazy bcuz I tried to commit suicide. But they do not think well why does she want to do it. If they think hard Nd clear they will be able to see how shitty they treat me. I got bullied for 8years str8. Nd I exploded I couldn’t take it no more. The school was gonna call the ambulance to take me away bcuz I wanted to kill my self. I ran out of the office I ran away from everybody juss cryin Nd running. Ppl think I’m crazy Nd I juss wanted attention but they don’t understand wat happens to me to make me do these things. So I understand wat Lizzie is going thru. So when ppl hate on her it pisses me off. I have a sibling that literally told me to kill myself that the world would be happy if I’m dead. So I rlly do understand wat she’s goin thru
To be honest this new season has shown her in a different light that I think is good for Lizzie I’m starting to love her character development even thought I feel like something is going to happen
Okay someone explain to me how Lizzie is one of the most popular girls in school and powerful witches is constantly involved in school events (monsters and usually planning like miss mystic falls and the talent show) People listen to her like the other witches at school She even had a huge birthday bash But then sometimes Lizzie will be like people hate me I don’t have friends And that everyone thinks she’s a huge freak but we never see like anyone “bully” her or say anything Another example in the very first episode Josie says all the guys go for Lizzie or they usually do But then Lizzie completely fails to flirt with Raphael
Lizzie has borderline personality disorder (includes mood swings), but it is shown that a good number of students don't like her at all. Some of the people attended the dance were friends with josie (who didn't show up), and the rest just saw it as an opportunity to have fun
The Ice Queen it shows her lows. All the mental abuse and stress she's under could be a fact to showing why she's bipolar. Her sad moments are also moments where it send her down deeper the lows parts of being bipolar
I'm bipolar and (there's sooo much more to describe about that) but what I wanted to say was - thank you Julie Plec and Jenny Boyd for absolutely nailing it!
As someone who knows, mental illness is not an excuse to put your loved ones through pain. This is why I had an issue with Lizzie. As Josie said herself, Lizzie can't help her illness, but she can choose to take her medication. Honestly, it's Alaric's fault in the end. He needs to care more for his daughters health then other children. He needs to make sure she takes her medication and be there for her when she needs him. His daughters need to be more of a priority.
@Britt Wish I think she did the right thing. Someone had to tell Lizzie like it is. I feel like Penelope did what was necessary for Lizzie to start doing better.
Victor Ajah it is never ok to say this kind of thing to someone. Josie caused her own problems, it takes two to be co dependent... Josie was equally to blame for how she was treated, cause she never stood up for herself. What Penelope did was wrong.
@@brittwish8140 I disagree. No one ever deserves to be dominated or cast aside or treated like crap. No one deserves to have every bit of happiness and stability stolen from them. Especially by someone who is supposed to be their twin. And so you are saying it is never ok to tell someone the truth? To call someone out on their bullshit? LMAO, funny. I'm not trying to be rude (sorry if I was ), but that is not true at all. Josie did not cause her own problems. Lizzie did. And the twins are not co dependent at all. Lizzie is dependent, Josie is independent. She helps her sister along because she's her sister. Why wouldn't you help her? And Josie had been doing that for so long and trying to give Lizzie the benefit of the doubt until she popped off and put Lizzie in her place. Josie told off her sister like she needed to. Lizzie just needs to accept the truth, no matter how much it "hurts". What Penelope did was more than ok, it was needed. It was a catalyst that set off Josie's realization and gave Lizzie the freak out of her life. The very freak out that shook her into a stage of trying to do better. Period.
Victor Ajah but it was never Penelopes place to say anything to Lizzie about it... and that isn’t what made Lizzie better, the Jini (or however you spell that) and the wishes is what set Lizzie off onto her trip to recovery, not Penelopes inappropriate interference. Everything Penelope said to Josie was great, but she should never have started attacking Lizzie like that. It was wrong, and it really didn’t do much to help. Lizzie had to figure it out herself, and when she did that’s when she started to change. And Josie IS dependent on Lizzie, she has always depended on the fact that she’d always have someone that needed her and if she didn’t depend on that feeling she would of told her off years ago. But Josie always falls back onto the fact that Lizzie is SO awful and whatever, but never acknowledges the fact that she told everyone that Lizzie was bipolar, which was a sucky move. So you can’t really say that Josie was always trying to “help” her sister along. She hid the bad things she did behind Lizzie and used her to make herself feel better. And you’re right on the fact that Josie called her off and opens Lizzies eyes like she needed to, but it was complete BS when Penelope did it. Totally unnecessary. What Penelope did was wrong.
@@brittwish8140 Ok, let's flip the switch. If Penelope's confrontation with Lizzie was praising Lizzie and telling her she's awesome and amazing, would you still say it isn't Penelope's place to do so? The Jinni had nothing to do with it. Like at all. Lizzie very very slowly started to change after this confrontation. It's so clear in the episodes. The Jinni's purpose in Liz's development was to show her how "crazy' she becomes in the future/alternate realities. The realities were dependent on Hope's presence or lac thereof. Lizzie's personality and poor behavior remained unscathed. So it was more than appropriate for Penelope to do what she did. You are acting like everything she said was untrue. Keep in mind that Lizzie was a bully to the other students, so you excuse her behavior; but when Penelope gives her some brutal honesty, it's wrong? That's bs and a double standard. Lizzie didn't figure ANYTHING out herself. Hope, Josie, and Penelope shoved it in her face (as they should). First it was the brutal honesty, then Josie's pop off, then the ass whooping Lizzie got in the penultimate episode on last season. Only this season did Lizzie actual start making an effort, Josie is not dependent. She just anticipates that Lizzie needs something. And she always does. Not dependency, but rather routine. And she felt needed by Penelope and her other friends. Everyone likes feeling needed. She could live without that feeling. But I think she wanted to spare her sister's feelings. Josie did NOT tell everyone that Lizzie is bipolar (which she is). Josie made up a rumor that only touched Lizzie's ears. Lizzie assumed everyone knew. No one else besides her and Josie knew of said rumor. The other kids hate Lizzie because of how she bullied them, attacked them, demeaned them, was selfish, etc. Long before the "rumor' incident started. But it was a sucky move, I agree. But in her defense, Josie thought Lizzie was gonna "steal" Hope from her, like she did everything else in their childhood. As wrong as the move was, i see where she was coming from. Well, she never hid the fire behind Lizzie. She just let everyone assume Hope did the fire to herself. Sucky move. But most of the time, Josie is being a good sister. And she is a good person. She doesn't hide behind Lizzie to make herself feel better. It could be eating away at her day by day for all we know. Also, I believe Penelope's actions were warranted. Lizzie repeatedly tells everyone at school that Penelope is satan. While some thing she did could warrant that name, it still is no excuse. So lizzie isn't that innocent. Penny was right here and in the right place. Lizzie just needs to learn from the info. And it was very necessary for Liz's character development.
I didn’t exactly like Penelope park, she in a way is a self-absorber ever since she broke up with Josie because of Lizzie, like has she never heard of “ family comes before relationships” yes Lizzie can be difficult, but in the end of the day we all have issues and despite all that she has a big heart, I mean she has her moments of despair but she also can be really smart all the time, and overall I feel like hope in a way is very arrogant as well, she likes to brag about how she’s the only tribrid, like yes we get it, and it wasn’t until Lizzie remembered her that she knew exactly the type of person Lizzie was and didn’t end up judging her, or doubting her.
ppl forget Lizzie was known as a mean girl at the beggining of legacies that's why penelope was meaner to her (doesn't mean she was right) and josie has a high co-dependency but lizzie took advantage of that.
Eu sempre gostei mais da Lizzie do que da Josie ou da Hope. Lizzie lembra muito a Caroline nas primeiras temporadas de TVD. O ciúmes que a Lizzie sente da Hope com o Alaric é totalmente compreensível. Alaric claramente tratava Hope diferente, levando ela pra missões, dando treinamento separado pra ela e tudo mais. Até eu fiquei incomodada com isso. No primeiro episódio o Alaric disse que se a Lizzie fizesse amizade com Hope ele daria treinamento em grupo, mas isso é uma besteira. Ele podia muito bem pegar a Josie e a Lizzie e dar treinamento separado para cada uma. Assim ele passaria mais tempo com as filhas e ajudaria nos problemas que cada uma tem separadamente.
People don’t dislike Lizzie bc of her and Josie’s different personalities it’s bc she treats Josie like shit she doesn’t think of her at all she’s so self absorbed and is shocked when Josie is upset she’s so shocked and doesn’t notice it before Josie snaps But she’s improved since season one
Lizzie hadn't treated josie like shit lizzie protected josie from bullies while josie just has a gay panic whenever Penelope bullied lizzie and lizzie would notice josie if josie would speak up
Well being bipolar can be caused by abuse in this case the mental abuse she receives for being bipolar from characters like Dana and Penelope. Also stress which she's constantly putting on herself to prove to everyone she worth it. This is mainly just her lows I believe and typical teenagers don't well have a crazy biological uncle who tried to kill her and her sister in a womb that's basically the main factor to why she's bipolar.
She has been confirmed to have bipolar disorder....read her student psychological assessment file....her highs are marked by ruthless narcissism...and her superiority complex is a self defence mechanism....
Nia Boyce she’s not a brat though she literally can’t deal with the stress and sadness she feels all the time the reason she Acts so cocky is because she clearly feels completely rejected by her farther who favours hope and if anything I think Hope is worse she knows what it’s like to have people in her life that act like this yet she treats her (Lizzie) like garbage
That’s when I started disliking Penelope like how do you talk like that with someone who’s not in the right state of mind to defend herself ? If Jo is fine with not standing up for herself against her own sister that’s up to her you have no right to “ do it for her “ .
Sure, she's growing on me, BUT I still remember how she didn't sense Josie was in danger, whereas Josie immediately understands when Lizzie is in trouble.
This is offensive. Maybe some of these scenes display some of the actions Lizzie made due to her bipolar but none of these are WHY she’s bipolar. Bipolar is due to surges and deficits in noradrenaline, serotonin and dopamine.
I had to stop watching one minute in. So far, those were just examples of being a teenage girl. There are 100 better examples that actually represent mental illness.
I find it so funny that we can be one hundred percent understanding of someone who has depression or anxiety, but not mental illnesses that make people lash out. To my understanding, bipolar disorder makes you codependent, insecure, and EMOTIONAL. Your feelings swing left and right, if it’s hard for you to deal with, imagine how the person with the disease feels. And when Josie blamed her for not taking her medication I got mad. No one likes feeling numb, or like a zombie, and that’s mostly what medication does I assume. Feeling nothing at all is so much worse than feeling everything. People seriously need to be more understanding of her. Geez
do you know how someone can figure out if the person has bipolar disorder?
I’ve never heard of bipolar disorder making you codependent bipolar is having manic and depression episodes which you would be insecure about but I’m not sure ( not a psychologist) that it’s directly connected also never heard it being described as a disorder that makes you “lash out” people do get angry in episodes of mania though so I imagine that’s what that was showing. I do understand how Josie got upset that Lizzie wasn’t taking her meds because meds do make you feel pretty shit but you can be dangerous without them and it’s your responsibility to not put people around in any sort of danger it also puts a lot of strain on another family member if you do that I’ve seen it I really want surprised when Josie snapped under pressure I’ve seen people say to not forget Lizze is a teenager but you can’t forget Josie is one too.
@@gingerninja4237 Thank you. We can't keep showing understanding for Lizzie and not give Josie the same respect.
Woah when she would be a heretic she would turn her emotions off so fuckin quickly
@@gingerninja4237 Well, perhaps bipolair doesn't immediatly come with codependency, but people with mental illnesses do tend to have codependency issues. Sometimes, they are unfit to take care of themselves and need a caretaker. If this caretaker is a relative or someone else they have a long-term relationship outside of the caretaker role, then it creates a bond that can easily turn into co-dependency. Josie was Lizzie's caretaker because Alaric was too busy running the scchool to be Lizzie's, and because they already are twins, this is the perfect recipe to create co-dependency.
Lizzie is actually my favorite character bc she isn't perfect. She has issues, and isn't afraid to admit it. She's also a badass with an attitude.
Yessssss! Like at least she admits it and tries but also shows the struggles she goes through! The only thing I didn't like about her and never will is when she was boy crazy! Idk if she still is in season 3 but yeah
True
I think Lizzie will be very much like Caroline
Character development and being a good, loyal, supportive friend
Lethu Mthiyane proved true!
Goddamn Future Predicted!!
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I want Caroline to come on The show SO BAD...
Yess
shes been confirmed with bipolar disorder on the student assessment things legacies posted for all the characters
Lizzie Saltzman deserves the world! She's been called selfish but in truth she's just a teenager going though all the ups and downs having to prove to everyone she's not just the "bitchy" twin. She's just someone who wants to be loved but with Caroline gone most of the time, Alaric having to look over all the kids, and Josie trying to figure out who she is it's not easy for her to get that love.
With her life being so bad and how jealous of Hope she is she should do a spell and switch with Hope's life then she would know what It feels like to have both her parents out of her life 4 a long time -she has Alaric n Caroline and she got to see and feel Josette when she came back..Hope can not
being a teenager and also having bipolar disorder is tough. i don’t get why people hate on lizzie. yes she has issues but she acknowledges them and is trying to get better.
I love this girl. She's an amazingly complex human being and I don't get how people can hate her. Except, ableism runs strong in this world.
Omg this made me laugh after this latest season
Honestly, the reason I dislike Penelope is the fact that because Josie doesn't stand up for herself against Lizzie, Penelope is going to do it for her by making Lizzie's life hell. Does she even realize how cruel that is? To ruin someone's life because her crush is too weak to stand up for herself.
Shay Singh i'm glad Penelope left the show. :)
I dislike penelope for this very reason too and I'm so glad she's gone. Nothing against the actress lulu, though.
She made Josie stand up for herself by being a bitch to her....but whatever she did to Lizzie....that was out of pure hate....it was just plain cruel....especially when she called Lizzie a black hole of love, and time, and energy....that was actually really painful
Yes ....this isnt the fault of lizzie......jossie is jst too afraid to show herself.....
Dheekshaa Aravind i know i cried so much on the black hole thing.. she didn’t deserve that
Lizzie may be bipolar, but if anything Josie is going to be the one who turns out like Kai..
nah lizzie will they both classify as the defective twins
Yeah i whas thinking The same josie is gonne crazy she burns her ex breaks ethan's arm that girl is hurting ppl on purepose
Nicole x
The reason lizzie was narcissistic in season one was because josie emotionally manipulated her, was fully aware it was her fault, let her get worse without saying anything, and after all that, did not apologize when caught. On that basis alone, I have to agree.
josie had balck magic and was kinda evil but lizzie is gonna be like kai there both bipolor and the defective twin and in and episode someone said lizzie will goo crazy and kill jo
@@alexandriaortiz8734 I have a feeling that both of the twins are gonna be like Kai, or at least have some of his traits.
I hate how everyone seems to forget that these are all teenagers and that Lizzie is a bipolar teenager with magical powers that are tied to her emotions. Penelope, at 16/17 years old has no right to try and sabotage the one support system Lizzie has in Josie- especially when Caroline is gone and Alaric is constantly running off with Hope and keeping secrets from her. I never understood how Penelope came to feel like she knew what was best for Josie (who is more than capable of standing up for herself) or how she came to the conclusion that antagonizing her emotionally vulnerable and fragile bipolar sister was what was best. And, yet, somehow Posie is somehow the "best relationship".
Penelope is so overrated
Cutekitten19 Love it Penelope was her Own BREED. I wish Lulu could Come back, shes an amazing actresses who sadly had to play whatever the heck kind of mess Penelope was
@@erlindanunez7954 what do you mean by "her own breed"
Cutekitten19 Love it Penelope is a mess
@@erlindanunez7954 agreed hope she get help and see someone else
Josie seems darker underneath than Lizzie. You can see all of Lizzie...tantrums and all. Josie represses all her emotions and hides her resentment. This adds fuel to her darker side which comes out sometimes as we see in season 2.
Agree
Lizzie grew on me. I really liked the genie episode cause it really showed how good she is. And I get that she doesn't want to take her medication and stuff cause some of that stuff makes people a shell of themselves.
the more i get to know this girl, the more i want to see this show
I’m glad that although LEGACIES is a supernatural drama it still Tackles mental health
I loved Penelope but absolutely hated the way she treated Lizzie
I couldn't like Penelope
Same hated the fact that she never defended herself, let’s be honest she’s wayyyy better than Penelope
@@Maria-pg5cu yes lizzie is actually really good at self control
@@Maria-pg5cu I actually feel sorry for penelope. She believed lizzie was a genuine narcissist, and just wanted to stick up for josie in the only way possible (narcissists are impossible to reason with, so you have to hit hard). She had no idea that josie was playing her and lizzie against each other the whole time
Lizzie as a human is EXACTLY like Caroline. Wait till she becomes a heretic...she'll be the best vampire. Like her mother.
*PERIOD*
She's nothing like Caroline character I don't like Lizzie and very ugly to
Ugly, BRUH HAVE YOU SEEN MATT DOVAN?! LIZZIE DESERVES THE WORLD
gargi sharma wait how come she’ll be a heretic ?
Who is Caroline?
Sarah Tolmie thxs
Actually, I'm very scared for Lizzie. Aurora de Martel's bipolar disorder led her to suicide and it just got worse with vampirism. Tristan spend eternity trying to help her, he gave her all of his love, but nothing ever helped her and she ended up under a sleeping curse forever. I don't want Lizzie and Josie to become Aurora and Tristan. That's just too sad.
imxperio yea they only found out later on what the word was for what she had and she never got it under control
But recall Aurora was somewhere secluded for a peace of mind. Those kind of things probably happened to her all the time being left somewhere in “order to heal”. It can’t help much to be away from those you love. How many friends do we see Aurora really have? Lizzie has a huge support group and goes a school that is meant to help supernaturals, I have hope for her.
yeah lizzie just crashed a car with vampire blood in her system in the latest episode so I wonder what Is gonna happen
They won't don't worry Lizzie is far more better than Aurora nd other characters
@@LovelyGamer115 lizzie doesn't have a support group she has mg josie and maybe hope her dad is never really there and sometimes neither is josie and hope so whi does she really have
Lizzie is hands down my favourite character and the only one I actually like. I really hope we get more of her and she has the chance to be happy.
2:21 i totally understand her frustration
Lizzie is not my fave but I was really pissed at Penelope calling her a blackhole when she's down and not in the right set of mind to defend herself.
lizzie is such a strong and interesting character she is definitely my favourite and has a lot of respect from me
these scenes almost make me cry. lizzie deserves so much better then what she gets.
I have bipolar & I love Lizzie so much. Her character is amazing & very well written
I’m so mad at everyone in that show except her MG
Nah, see legacies season 3, M.G starts to annoy me.
SPOILERS: The awkward moment when Josie turned out to be the evil twin not Lizzie 😂 Btw I love both the Saltzman twins and Hope
She is gonne become kai 2.0
I really love Lizzie. Watching Legacies made me think, finally a teen show with mental illnesses done right! I have high functioning Autism myself (meaning without intellectual disability) and even though we have different disorders, I could actually relate to certain Lizzie scenes myself.
Also, to anyone commenting Autism isn't a mentall illness, this is untrue. It is, that's just something Karens have made up so they could try to give their kid a pass from the stigma, which I find absolutely disgusting behavior.
I mean autism isn't scientifically speaking a "mental illness", it's a neurological disability which, though very similar to some extent, is not the same thing. It's not disgusting to say so as long as you come up with valid arguments lmao. And saying so doesn't invalidate what you're going through you're just missing people's point
That last bit when she asked for her sister. Broke my heart
The fact that the actress that plays her is 29 will forever fuck me up
How?
I just realised a big plot hole in Legacies. Remember in S7 of TVD the Heretics drew all of the humans out of Mystic Falls. There was only Wolfs, Witches and vampires. Plus the Heretics. And That was about 16 years ago, Rafeal and Landon are about 17/18. And they grew up in an oprahange in Mystic Falls that did not exist in TVD. Sooooo that's a masive loophole
they’re only 16 i think
I thought the orphanage was just outside Mystic Falls.. ?
Not a orhapange,foster care.
Lizzie's not a bad character and neither is josie. They're sisters being sisters dude
@kiila grantpereira period. Hes too busy acting like Hopes dad and hes neglecting his girls. Caroline would beat his whole ass.
Being sisters does not mean letting your sisters go of meditation and not telling your dad cause it annoys you
Favourite character on legacies
*I have always admired how deep Penelope’s love is to Josie, but dumb bitch how dare she make fun of someone else’s illness? Lizzie might be self absorbed but Josie have as much as a say to what everything her sister is doing. Lizzie is right Josie is at fault too, she’s taking care of her sister because she likes to take care of her, it just gets overwhelming most of the time leaving no room for anyone else, and I think because of that Penelope felt neglected and jealous. I’m glad about Lizzie’s character development at season 2, she toned down her craziness, but the twins is not as close as they was before, leaving Josie to herself. She’s finally got the time to know her own dark side and that’s what scares me.*
I am so much like her that is actually scary.
lol can we be friends
People think that I’m crazy bcuz I tried to commit suicide. But they do not think well why does she want to do it. If they think hard Nd clear they will be able to see how shitty they treat me. I got bullied for 8years str8. Nd I exploded I couldn’t take it no more. The school was gonna call the ambulance to take me away bcuz I wanted to kill my self. I ran out of the office I ran away from everybody juss cryin Nd running. Ppl think I’m crazy Nd I juss wanted attention but they don’t understand wat happens to me to make me do these things. So I understand wat Lizzie is going thru. So when ppl hate on her it pisses me off. I have a sibling that literally told me to kill myself that the world would be happy if I’m dead. So I rlly do understand wat she’s goin thru
It's probably because not everyone who is in your situation is suicidal. Mental illness isn't always a bad thing anyway.
TheMarkmcr most of the time it is rlly bad
@@Melodyespinozaa I meant that it's not something to be hated for, and that some people might misunderstand but they don't mean to be hurtful.
I get it too, and I'm sorry for what you are going through, sending support ❤
People say she's cold-hearted but they don't ever give her chance for her to show her True self
To be honest this new season has shown her in a different light that I think is good for Lizzie I’m starting to love her character development even thought I feel like something is going to happen
Same. I feel like something's going to completely ruin all the progress shes worked on over the summer on her mental health
Okay someone explain to me how Lizzie is one of the most popular girls in school and powerful witches is constantly involved in school events (monsters and usually planning like miss mystic falls and the talent show)
People listen to her like the other witches at school
She even had a huge birthday bash
But then sometimes Lizzie will be like people hate me I don’t have friends
And that everyone thinks she’s a huge freak but we never see like anyone “bully” her or say anything
Another example in the very first episode
Josie says all the guys go for Lizzie or they usually do
But then Lizzie completely fails to flirt with Raphael
Lizzie has borderline personality disorder (includes mood swings), but it is shown that a good number of students don't like her at all. Some of the people attended the dance were friends with josie (who didn't show up), and the rest just saw it as an opportunity to have fun
We see Penelope bully Lizzie
No, Lizzie has bipolar disorder. Very different things@@TheMarkmcr
This video doesn't show any bipolar, it just shows her sad moments...
The Ice Queen it shows her lows. All the mental abuse and stress she's under could be a fact to showing why she's bipolar. Her sad moments are also moments where it send her down deeper the lows parts of being bipolar
As someone diagnosed with bipolar, a ton of these scenes show nothing related to bipolar
Fr I love legacies but I feel like they didn’t portray bipolar very well but that’s not the point of the show so we can’t be mad at it yk
I never hated Lizzie , my best friend is Bipolar. Maybe that’s why !?
She’s the funniest
Am I the only one who loves Lizzie?
Nope I do too
No
Definitely not
Can i say that she's the only interesting character in legacies.
I still love her
I love Lizzie ,she is straightforward 💖
More like "Everyone shitting on Lizzie Saltzman for 5 minutes and 24 seconds
I think Lizzie could also have bpd, because of her intense and quick mood swings, codependency, and fear of abandonment.
right i feel like it fits better.. ofc she could still have both but 🤷🏻♂️
Thank you, someone understands
I love lizzie cause she the only one who knows about hope😁. She's not as bad as she seems
I'm bipolar and (there's sooo much more to describe about that) but what I wanted to say was - thank you Julie Plec and Jenny Boyd for absolutely nailing it!
She's a badass ❗🔥🔥🔥😍
As someone who knows, mental illness is not an excuse to put your loved ones through pain. This is why I had an issue with Lizzie. As Josie said herself, Lizzie can't help her illness, but she can choose to take her medication. Honestly, it's Alaric's fault in the end. He needs to care more for his daughters health then other children. He needs to make sure she takes her medication and be there for her when she needs him. His daughters need to be more of a priority.
What Penelope did was so wrong...
@Britt Wish I think she did the right thing. Someone had to tell Lizzie like it is. I feel like Penelope did what was necessary for Lizzie to start doing better.
Victor Ajah it is never ok to say this kind of thing to someone. Josie caused her own problems, it takes two to be co dependent... Josie was equally to blame for how she was treated, cause she never stood up for herself. What Penelope did was wrong.
@@brittwish8140 I disagree. No one ever deserves to be dominated or cast aside or treated like crap. No one deserves to have every bit of happiness and stability stolen from them. Especially by someone who is supposed to be their twin. And so you are saying it is never ok to tell someone the truth? To call someone out on their bullshit? LMAO, funny. I'm not trying to be rude (sorry if I was ), but that is not true at all. Josie did not cause her own problems. Lizzie did. And the twins are not co dependent at all. Lizzie is dependent, Josie is independent. She helps her sister along because she's her sister. Why wouldn't you help her? And Josie had been doing that for so long and trying to give Lizzie the benefit of the doubt until she popped off and put Lizzie in her place. Josie told off her sister like she needed to. Lizzie just needs to accept the truth, no matter how much it "hurts". What Penelope did was more than ok, it was needed. It was a catalyst that set off Josie's realization and gave Lizzie the freak out of her life. The very freak out that shook her into a stage of trying to do better. Period.
Victor Ajah but it was never Penelopes place to say anything to Lizzie about it... and that isn’t what made Lizzie better, the Jini (or however you spell that) and the wishes is what set Lizzie off onto her trip to recovery, not Penelopes inappropriate interference. Everything Penelope said to Josie was great, but she should never have started attacking Lizzie like that. It was wrong, and it really didn’t do much to help. Lizzie had to figure it out herself, and when she did that’s when she started to change.
And Josie IS dependent on Lizzie, she has always depended on the fact that she’d always have someone that needed her and if she didn’t depend on that feeling she would of told her off years ago. But Josie always falls back onto the fact that Lizzie is SO awful and whatever, but never acknowledges the fact that she told everyone that Lizzie was bipolar, which was a sucky move. So you can’t really say that Josie was always trying to “help” her sister along. She hid the bad things she did behind Lizzie and used her to make herself feel better.
And you’re right on the fact that Josie called her off and opens Lizzies eyes like she needed to, but it was complete BS when Penelope did it. Totally unnecessary. What Penelope did was wrong.
@@brittwish8140 Ok, let's flip the switch. If Penelope's confrontation with Lizzie was praising Lizzie and telling her she's awesome and amazing, would you still say it isn't Penelope's place to do so?
The Jinni had nothing to do with it. Like at all. Lizzie very very slowly started to change after this confrontation. It's so clear in the episodes. The Jinni's purpose in Liz's development was to show her how "crazy' she becomes in the future/alternate realities. The realities were dependent on Hope's presence or lac thereof. Lizzie's personality and poor behavior remained unscathed. So it was more than appropriate for Penelope to do what she did. You are acting like everything she said was untrue.
Keep in mind that Lizzie was a bully to the other students, so you excuse her behavior; but when Penelope gives her some brutal honesty, it's wrong? That's bs and a double standard.
Lizzie didn't figure ANYTHING out herself. Hope, Josie, and Penelope shoved it in her face (as they should). First it was the brutal honesty, then Josie's pop off, then the ass whooping Lizzie got in the penultimate episode on last season. Only this season did Lizzie actual start making an effort,
Josie is not dependent. She just anticipates that Lizzie needs something. And she always does. Not dependency, but rather routine. And she felt needed by Penelope and her other friends. Everyone likes feeling needed. She could live without that feeling. But I think she wanted to spare her sister's feelings.
Josie did NOT tell everyone that Lizzie is bipolar (which she is). Josie made up a rumor that only touched Lizzie's ears. Lizzie assumed everyone knew. No one else besides her and Josie knew of said rumor. The other kids hate Lizzie because of how she bullied them, attacked them, demeaned them, was selfish, etc. Long before the "rumor' incident started. But it was a sucky move, I agree. But in her defense, Josie thought Lizzie was gonna "steal" Hope from her, like she did everything else in their childhood. As wrong as the move was, i see where she was coming from.
Well, she never hid the fire behind Lizzie. She just let everyone assume Hope did the fire to herself. Sucky move. But most of the time, Josie is being a good sister. And she is a good person. She doesn't hide behind Lizzie to make herself feel better. It could be eating away at her day by day for all we know.
Also, I believe Penelope's actions were warranted. Lizzie repeatedly tells everyone at school that Penelope is satan. While some thing she did could warrant that name, it still is no excuse. So lizzie isn't that innocent. Penny was right here and in the right place. Lizzie just needs to learn from the info. And it was very necessary for Liz's character development.
I really want to see lizzie turning to a vampire. Iam sure it will be a mind blowing to watch.
Uh, it never occurred to me that Lizzie had bipolar disorder. I knew she had problems but I just never was able to put a name to it.
I love her😂
Penelope reminds me of some girls at my school they once made something the one who gets me having a breakdown wins lol
I didn’t exactly like Penelope park, she in a way is a self-absorber ever since she broke up with Josie because of Lizzie, like has she never heard of “ family comes before relationships” yes Lizzie can be difficult, but in the end of the day we all have issues and despite all that she has a big heart, I mean she has her moments of despair but she also can be really smart all the time, and overall I feel like hope in a way is very arrogant as well, she likes to brag about how she’s the only tribrid, like yes we get it, and it wasn’t until Lizzie remembered her that she knew exactly the type of person Lizzie was and didn’t end up judging her, or doubting her.
I don’t see how she’s bipolar just reacting to the stuff around her
She's the most interesting character in the whole show
I personally feel like she's more histrionic personality disorder than bipolar.
Me too
What's that 😲
Same!
It was confirmed that she has a bipolar disorder
ppl forget Lizzie was known as a mean girl at the beggining of legacies that's why penelope was meaner to her (doesn't mean she was right) and josie has a high co-dependency but lizzie took advantage of that.
Abigail Bellweather (Motherland: Fort Salem) vs. Lizzie Saltzman (Legacies)
Abigail would win
About: Dark Willow (Buffy: series) vs. Dark Josie (Legacies)
@@robertnoche1060 idk dark josie i am still at season 2 of BTVS so i haven't seen dark willow yet😊
I never thought she was bipolar I just thought she had Daddy issues... And besides she has a lot on her plate...
imagine hating lizzie, cannot fucking relate.
loopyedits she’s the best character idc. She makes us laugh and cry and Idk why she gets so much hate.
Same she's so quite interesting
Atleast they could use Valerie as teachers to teach lizzy how to be stable ❤❤😂
Eu sempre gostei mais da Lizzie do que da Josie ou da Hope. Lizzie lembra muito a Caroline nas primeiras temporadas de TVD.
O ciúmes que a Lizzie sente da Hope com o Alaric é totalmente compreensível. Alaric claramente tratava Hope diferente, levando ela pra missões, dando treinamento separado pra ela e tudo mais. Até eu fiquei incomodada com isso. No primeiro episódio o Alaric disse que se a Lizzie fizesse amizade com Hope ele daria treinamento em grupo, mas isso é uma besteira. Ele podia muito bem pegar a Josie e a Lizzie e dar treinamento separado para cada uma. Assim ele passaria mais tempo com as filhas e ajudaria nos problemas que cada uma tem separadamente.
I mean she IS bipolar but these are not scenes that show it
Ikr I haven't seen the show but from those scenes it seems like other people are the problem and she's just reacting to stuff around her
@@nellie825 1x15 goes into greater detail on her mental health, but I do agree that other people (aside from hope) are overreacting
People don’t dislike Lizzie bc of her and Josie’s different personalities it’s bc she treats Josie like shit she doesn’t think of her at all she’s so self absorbed and is shocked when Josie is upset she’s so shocked and doesn’t notice it before Josie snaps
But she’s improved since season one
Lizzie hadn't treated josie like shit lizzie protected josie from bullies while josie just has a gay panic whenever Penelope bullied lizzie and lizzie would notice josie if josie would speak up
I don't see her as being bipolar, but just having bad days. Keeping secrets for your daughter and a guy you like telling you you're no good must suck
Nobody is goin to point out that this shows nothing about being bipolar? All it shows is typical teenager issues.
Micaela P yeah thats kinda true
Well being bipolar can be caused by abuse in this case the mental abuse she receives for being bipolar from characters like Dana and Penelope. Also stress which she's constantly putting on herself to prove to everyone she worth it. This is mainly just her lows I believe and typical teenagers don't well have a crazy biological uncle who tried to kill her and her sister in a womb that's basically the main factor to why she's bipolar.
And even if she is that doesn’t mean she can be a brat and blame it on mental illness
She has been confirmed to have bipolar disorder....read her student psychological assessment file....her highs are marked by ruthless narcissism...and her superiority complex is a self defence mechanism....
Nia Boyce she’s not a brat though she literally can’t deal with the stress and sadness she feels all the time the reason she Acts so cocky is because she clearly feels completely rejected by her farther who favours hope and if anything I think Hope is worse she knows what it’s like to have people in her life that act like this yet she treats her (Lizzie) like garbage
That’s when I started disliking Penelope like how do you talk like that with someone who’s not in the right state of mind to defend herself ? If Jo is fine with not standing up for herself against her own sister that’s up to her you have no right to “ do it for her “ .
she isnt bipolar its her covenant they are cursed with well being crazy and passing it to their children
it's confirmed she's bipolar
@@elliehenderson1593 its not bipolar its their covenant s curse it gets passed down just like kai who went mental and started killing his family
I mean lizzie def like caroline
Haven't you watched s2?
Lizzie will just end up like Kai if this keeps going and you know what? I'm alllll for it
Caitlin Anderson u juss don’t understand wat she goes thru.
Then you haven't watcht s2 josie is the one
Most of these are people being rude to lizzie tho
Tbh who didn’t already know this
Sure, she's growing on me, BUT I still remember how she didn't sense Josie was in danger, whereas Josie immediately understands when Lizzie is in trouble.
This is offensive. Maybe some of these scenes display some of the actions Lizzie made due to her bipolar but none of these are WHY she’s bipolar. Bipolar is due to surges and deficits in noradrenaline, serotonin and dopamine.
She does not have bipolar disgrace
Unpopular opinion: I actually really enjoyed Penelope.
Zeuses Coven she was very toxic though but I guess same
That not a unpopular option Penelope is loved by 97% of fandom
I had to stop watching one minute in. So far, those were just examples of being a teenage girl. There are 100 better examples that actually represent mental illness.
She’s not bipolar she’s broken