She asks simple questions that the other guys have trouble answering yet they still hold their opinion of position. Reveals they don’t have a facts based position.
@@jonoak no she didn't. I remember LeBron shouting down d rose and Parker on crucial games. I'm sure he did it to other players just can't remember... She will say anything to discredit lebron
@@jaydot4956LeFraud James been in the league 22 seasons and only been a good defender for several seasons.. Your king ain't done s**t on defense since he's been in LA..🤔
@@jaydot4956bron has never been an elite defender… it’s a reason why he never won one and why he doesn’t have 10 all defensive team selections like Kobe 😂
@@jaykold11 Bro what are you talking about? Lebron has 6 all defensive selections and finished twice in DPOY (something Kobe never done). And some of the greatest defenders of all time have 6 all defensive selections like Ben Wallace and Ron Artest. I’m not saying Lebron was a great defender for his whole career but for a 6-7 year stretch he was elite on defense.
@@jaydot4956 6 years out of 20+...in his prime. Because that was the stretch his pure athleticism carried him. He still didn't dedicate himself to that end even during that time
LeBron does not play hard. When the "Best" player does not play hard, everyone follows suit. He never locked up anyone for an ENTIRE game. If there are any fans that want to point out what Offensive Juggernaut has LeBron locked up for an entire game or series? Point out the specific games. Ill wait.
@@MichaelJenkins-wg7vw& Tony Parker scored the game winner on LeBron in 2013 finals game 1, Hit a clutch 3 over LeBron in game 6 when Spurs were making a comeback, people forget TP won finals MVP with an age 22 Lebron as his primary defender. & that block Bron did on D Rose was overrated because D Wade came & helped Double Rose which is what the Heat did all night. Every time D Rose drove pass Bron Miami collapse and tried to let the others beat them
Hakeem Olajuwon is a great example of an elite PLAYER. He played both sides of the ball efficiently. Kyrie Irving is an elite 3 level scorer (He finishes so well at the rim).
When we take into account offense and defense, it takes so many players out of the picture. For example, Hakeem Olajuwon Wilt Chamberlain Walt Frazier David Robinson Kevin Garnett Michael Jordan Moses Malone These are some players I consider elite players Obviously, I missed a few.
@@Tilinfinity42 it kind of does because Shaq was elite in the paint. That makes him elite overall on offense. He didn't have a mid range or a three point shot. He did have post moves but it was not elite.
@smoothgent1011 I wouldn’t say he was elite offensively, it’s just he was so physically dominant in the low post, he could average nearly 30 points per game. But at the end of the day, he had to be taken out at the end of games because he was limited offensively. He was dominant, I wouldn’t say he had elite skill. If he played under the same rules as Wilt, his career would have looked way different.
@Tilinfinity42 When Shaq first came into the league, he could dribble the ball , he could push it in transition if he needed to , he was fast and very mobile for his size and could run the floor.
Thank you! He's overrated AF on defense cause of those chase down blocks. He has NEVER locked anyone down. Paul Pierce use to give him the business and he REFUSED to even try to guard Dirk during the Finals! That Finals really exposed him.
Damn, it’s crazy that she’s more knowledgeable than the dudes on here. They need to find a different subject to talk about…like food or something, because they DEFINITELY don’t know basketball 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
The failure of basketball starts and ends with Lefraud James. There has never been a player in sports who has destroyed the fabric of an entire league culture like he has.
@fortone3390 I blame LEFRAUD JAMES for all of it. He is the face of failure, quitting, excuses and Stat padding. He can't be coached nor does he ever take accountability. It all started once he was given a false sense of power
I don't agree because LeBron was here since 2003 he has 2 decades worth of being great for ratings it's the European and Africans people don't want to watch
Can we acknowledge that Bron has generally left defense to get handled by other players on his teams for most of his career?? In Miami, he 100% allowed Birdman, Battier, Haslem, and others to set the defensive tone; none of those players looked to Bron. Bron looked to them. In his second Cleveland stint, he had Tristan, Shump, Birdman (Again), Bogut, and Love. There has never been a game(s) or a series that Bron has wholly taken over defensively. What do they always say? Bron always makes the RIGHT basketball decision, which is why Bron has been delegating leadership responsibilities to other teammates his entire career. He knows he's not truly a defensive-minded player. If he was, why didn't he take the challenge and win DPOY after he felt Marc stole it from him?? He'd rather say it was stolen, than prove it and go win it.
"Bron has been delegating leadership responsibilities to other teammates his enitre career." But managed to get credit for being a leader, because of our lazy, bought and paid for sports media.
That's a lie. Bron defensive rating all time is better than Jordan and Kobe. Look it up. Kobe got them all defensive teams from reputation. His defensive rating was not good most years. And they already said that Jordan defensive stats back them was bolster and a lie to make him look good. Jus use Google people. Bron was a plus defender when he went back to Cleveland and the 2020 year. He should've had a least 8 or 9 all defensive teams instead of 6..
What I believe is IMPORTANT to note is this: LeBron is not ALONE in the group of SCORERS who only play ONE SIDE OF THE BALL in the last 10 - 15 years. Check this list out and PLEASE NOTE IT. Of this generation of great scorers KEVIN DURANT, STEPH CURRY, JAMES HARDEN, KYRIE IRVING, LUKA DONCIC, DAMIAN LILLARD, JASON TAYTUM have NEVER made an ALL DEFENSIVE TEAM in their careers. All NBA...YES! But never been selected to an ALL DEFENSIVE TEAM. Also, the last All Defensive Team LEBRON was on was in 2014...10 YEARS AGO! That should speak VOLUMES to how little DEFENSE has been pushed in this generation and scoring has. And these are considered some of the best SCORERS of this generation. Hmmmmmm interesting! Carry On...
My man was getting cooked on this one. I think the problem is that because there is no elite player currently active in the NBA both offensively and defensively we could point to, you end up judging players on a less restrictive curve. The game has been watered down too much and the money these guys get wont allow them to take risks. There are only specialists in the league now.
Naw I agree with her. Put it like this. An ELITE offensive player has to check the offensive categories at a high rate. When u hear MJ what do you think minus the offensive proof. What do u think? I feel her on the specific category cause if u played ball u understand the point of the categories.
"So you can't be an elite offensive player unless you score the basketball?" No, you can't, because we don't call Draymond Green or Ben Simmons elite because they are good passers.
MJ: Actually won DPOY, Scoring title MVP in the SAME season.. Kobe: 9x 1st Team All-NBA DEFENSE (most in history) Lebron: ALMOST won DPOY, 5x 1st Team All-NBA DEFENSE That’s what Barton & Dominque talking abt. The standard fell off..
Even if Lebron was an elite defender for a couple of years, if longevity is the crown that he wears, why did he had to give up on defense to be great on offense? Why is that not part of his game now? Tell me he wanted to go for Kareem's record coz he was damn lucky to have 4 rings... He's not sniffing any ring now.
"It started at a diddy party" he's my favorite from now on. That man hit that with perfect timing. Bruh. Thats one of the best jokes i heard in a while.
Will Barton is dead on and it’s crazy that Jai is so unaware. Dominique is dead on… Because LeBron has been the face of the league for many years, he should be held more accountable than others because he is the LEAD CULPRIT of No on ball (pause) defense!!
The bizar thing is these guys are totally off in their analysis, Dom is so on point, but since she is preaching to def ears.... An elite defender is elite when he/she is such a force on defense you have to respect that, so LBJ is not elite at defense, never has been, but he reads the game so he is great at the helpdefense, hence the chase down blocks. Nobody is elite on offense if your impact is non impactful for your team. So KD is elite on offense, cause he has impact, Shaq was elite on offense cause his scoring has impact on winning, LBJ is not elite on scoring cause his points dont really amount impact since he mostly gets to up his points during garbage time, look at the games please... CP3 is elite at playmaking, just look at his career, everywhere he went the team went up in standings and points....
Like Barton said. Playing both sides builds character and rivalries. One example is Dream. In 95 when David Robinson won MVP Kenny Smith joking told Dream David had his MVP before that HOU vs SA series. Dream was so pissed he went out there and completely killed that man!!!
That's what happens when you're fans of players you like and not a student of the game. The mofo can't even name a year when saying multiple years. No sense at all.
Will is absolutely right. You hear this excuse for Lebron, Luka and Jokic(yes Jokic's defense is ass!) and it kills me when they say these guys can play in any era. They can't!! It's sad. Lebron would have been an target in the 90's!
Shaq was an elite scorer, not an elite shooter ... i.e. has was able to put the ball in the basket (dunk/score) not shoot from the perimeter with efficiency
She is right Big Dawg 💪🤣 please tell me that you are not a Queen James fan 🤣🤣 cause he hasn't played defense in 11 years now 🤣🤣 it's over for the 🤡🤡 and the new Pat Rally 🤣🤣 OMG
Ricky Rubio was an elite passer, but Deron Williams, Chris Paul and Steve Nash were elite offensive guys because they can pass, play make, and score! You cannot be elite on offense present day without averaging 20+ points, but you can be an elite offensive player without being great at everything if you averaging 27+ points a game
You can't be elite offensively if you're only elite at one thing. An elite offensive player is elite at everything on offense. This is not rocket science.
That Jai don’t know shit about basketball he claims he old school I’m old school been watching the NBA from the late 60s he’s stubborn asf no objectivity that young lady has more knowledge than him
Lebron being called “the best all around basketball player” or “the best two way player” is a bold faced lie because half the game is defense and LeBron is not a defender. Just because you’ve got some cool chase down blocks does not make you an elite defender.
Trae has always played harder on offense you can literally look up his scouting report before he made it to the nba and it’s spot on how he has played TILL this year. That’s why my hawks are having more success he’s actually playing less selfish basketball. That’s why his ppg is down but his APG is up I love it. Dyson Daniels literally woke up the team with his defensive mindset. Crazy a 3rd year 21 year old player has to show a 7th year what a winning formula of basketball looks like. 😂😂😂😂
I consider LeBron a legacy player at this point of his career. I dont really expect him to shut people down on defense every night. The guy is in his what 22nd season at 40 years old. The most minutes played all time, 2nd most played games or something like that. He's done his work. Its up to these younger players to carry the load and become real Superstars. And the NBA needs to get back to promoting players the way they used to.
Sports tea be killing it. I hope these brothers don’t be trying to explain anything on RUclips. They aren’t the brightest bulbs. She is actually explaining it in context and they don’t get it.
The lady made more sense than those dudes. J Kidd was a passer. He passed the ball to elite scores. What makes u elite offensively is strictly scoring. Shaq was elite it doesn't matter how u score but that u score and can't be stopped from scoring.
You lost that debate big dawg.. she was right on this one .. J Kidd was an elite passer and elite rebounder for his size . He was also great at controlling tempo with high basketball IQ.. scoring the ball was not his forte.
I can’t believe Jay and Chris aren’t agreeing with her. MEL shouldn’t have to be on for yall to use common sense. She is 100% correct. Jason kid was was and elite passer not a complete offensive player
LeBron was never elite defensively for sure and I can’t say he was elite offensively because he has no handles, no moves, couldn’t shoot good outside of 3ft from the hoop, not a good 3pt shooter. lol that girl made the old mf sound out of his depths 😂
Look the league follows its face. When Magic and Bird was the face of the NBA they brought in a level of competition which made everybody want to compete. MJ, hard work ethic, competitive natural spread across the league. Kobe similar to MJ maintained what Jordan brought to the league. Then LeBron came in and turned everything around he was the chosen one and the league followed his path. Lack of wanting to compete building superteams, not participating in all star events, not giving his all on the defensive side etc...
You can tell on this panel who has played ball before. Because an elite play maker or passer does not make you a elite offensive player. Being able to shoot 3-pointer mid range layups pass the ball have correct court vision being able to grab rebounds set picks knowing when to past the ball being able to score in the post. That is a elite offensive player
This elite title has to stop being put on every one because it becomes hard to differentiate bad, average,good, great n elite player's and to me personally thats why the hall of fame list is all jacked up it's because they are starting to label participating players awarded to the hall of fame
I need a invite to this panel the guy in the Atlanta Hawks hat. I wanna respond to you shaq was a elite center based upon posting up dominant in the paint versus great centers and you can put him on any team and you would get the same results. Kyle karver could only shoot 3-pointer and he could not play for every team and get the same results he couldn't bring anything else to a team other than 3 point shooting couldn't dribble set picks didn't grab rebounds nor pass shoot off the dribble dunk layup so that comparison is nowhere being accurate
Saying that a SPECIALIST is an elite offensive or defensive player is insulting. Bruce Bowen was a defensive specialist. Ben Wallace was an elite DEFENDER. Huge difference. It shows up with the eye test AND the stats. And hell no, Jason Kidd is NOT an elite offensive player and could not score at will and neither could Rajon Rondo. If you don't average at least 15 ppg, you are not a quality scorer. Rondo was pretty much what Ben Simmons would look like if he played fearlessly and with full confidence. Solid all around, but not elite in any specific area
Shaq was a elite offensive player though. Because he scored at such a rate that he commanded double teams at that point he learned to pass out of double teams which means he became a offensive hub. Being a hub for a offensive is what makes you elite on the offensive end. In that regard yes Kidd was a elite offensive olayer because yes hebwas the greatest at scoring yet he genrated so many points with his play making we have to put him in that group. Edit also Kidd was elite at getting to the basket slashing and was legit a 1 man fastbreak. So Kidd was most def elite on offense.
LeBrawn’s (💪🏼🚫🧠) in his prime was a decent willing defender. His defense against D Rose in the playoffs and the iggy block will always be pointed out as a “gotcha” moments by his rabid fan base. Defense is a hard metric to measure because MJ’s defensive rating was a 102.7 and LeFlop’s is a 104.8. LeHelpless’s 2008-09 was probably his best defensive year with 137 steals and 93 blocks but when compared to MJ’s 87-88 campaign, where he totaled 259 steals and 131 blocks, for a 6’6 SG is one of the many insane stats that separates the GOATS from the podcasters 😂
Him turning the ball does have a fog in the fight because he demands to have the ball n his hands instead of defer to a point guard. Everything he fies is so right is what it seems. Hw turns the ball over a lot. Not elite but stats make a lot of ppl forget about his extra pressure he puts on his teammates to cover up certain things.
I never thought I'd see the day where when people get together to talk sports that a woman would be the smartest fan of that sport in the room! They should feel embarrassed, hats off to her because she clearly knows basketball!!!😂
The NBA wasnt built for elite defence other than the center. You cant touch a player to stop him defensively without picking up a foul. Also great offensive players ARE NOT FORCED TO PLAY DEFENSE BY THE COACH!!? It has always been like that. Do you honestly think a player like Reggie Miller who was a elite shooter who ran off picks could also get gritty and be a dog defensively? Like goin back to Cali "i dont think so"
Theres just no sense in pride and will for the modern NBA player. Its easy to care about offense, that is what is glorified. Defense is ALL heart and hustle..these guys dont care about the game like that, they just want their stats and to look good doing it.
The lady is clearly the smartest one in this group.
By far
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She asks simple questions that the other guys have trouble answering yet they still hold their opinion of position. Reveals they don’t have a facts based position.
Not at all must be a Jordan Glazer
She really hoop. And she uses logic. These dudes sound like 5th graders.
She's roasting these clowns
Always
Sure is!
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Wow these dudes are weak
@@jonoak no she didn't. I remember LeBron shouting down d rose and Parker on crucial games. I'm sure he did it to other players just can't remember... She will say anything to discredit lebron
Lil' Sister Understands And Is More Logical Than These Males.
@@55cleon Facts
Crazy stuff man I fw sportstea tho
Bronglazers are their own gender,and religion.
HONESTLY she is "seemingly".. 🤔
She’s an elite analyst
Some of these dudes shouldn’t be talking hoops at all.The young lady was making all the sense
How is she making sense? How tf did Lebron finish 2nd in DPOY twice without being an elite defender?
@@jaydot4956LeFraud James been in the league 22 seasons and only been a good defender for several seasons..
Your king ain't done s**t on defense since he's been in LA..🤔
@@jaydot4956bron has never been an elite defender… it’s a reason why he never won one and why he doesn’t have 10 all defensive team selections like Kobe 😂
@@jaykold11 Bro what are you talking about? Lebron has 6 all defensive selections and finished twice in DPOY (something Kobe never done). And some of the greatest defenders of all time have 6 all defensive selections like Ben Wallace and Ron Artest. I’m not saying Lebron was a great defender for his whole career but for a 6-7 year stretch he was elite on defense.
@@jaydot4956 6 years out of 20+...in his prime. Because that was the stretch his pure athleticism carried him. He still didn't dedicate himself to that end even during that time
LeBron does not play hard. When the "Best" player does not play hard, everyone follows suit. He never locked up anyone for an ENTIRE game. If there are any fans that want to point out what Offensive Juggernaut has LeBron locked up for an entire game or series? Point out the specific games. Ill wait.
Derrick rose and Tony Parker. Those two I remember
He's not the best player, but I agree 100 percent
32 year old Paul Pierce outplayed Lebron in the Cavs vs Celtics and Lebron quit, and went to Miami to join Wade the next season.
@smoothgent1011 when did LeBron lock up Tony Parker?I saw numerous clips of Tony Parker scoring on LeBron in the 2007 NBA Finals
@@MichaelJenkins-wg7vw& Tony Parker scored the game winner on LeBron in 2013 finals game 1, Hit a clutch 3 over LeBron in game 6 when Spurs were making a comeback, people forget TP won finals MVP with an age 22 Lebron as his primary defender. & that block Bron did on D Rose was overrated because D Wade came & helped Double Rose which is what the Heat did all night. Every time D Rose drove pass Bron Miami collapse and tried to let the others beat them
Hakeem Olajuwon is a great example of an elite PLAYER. He played both sides of the ball efficiently.
Kyrie Irving is an elite 3 level scorer (He finishes so well at the rim).
When we take into account offense and defense, it takes so many players out of the picture.
For example,
Hakeem Olajuwon
Wilt Chamberlain
Walt Frazier
David Robinson
Kevin Garnett
Michael Jordan
Moses Malone
These are some players I consider elite players
Obviously, I missed a few.
@@TOP_OF_NEW_YORK zero weaknesses the most skilled big man ever
@@Mrgiftedsoul ONE THOUSAND PERCENT, SIR!
Right, the logic is in the language. If you have to take jumps in reason to justify your logic, then just stop lol.
LeBron only wants a chase down block after he commits the turnover
Lol
@@leeleethal8636 Ouch
Damn😅
I have no idea how these fellas don’t understand that being good at one facet of the game doesn’t make you “elite” overall. Wow.
@@Tilinfinity42 it kind of does because Shaq was elite in the paint. That makes him elite overall on offense. He didn't have a mid range or a three point shot. He did have post moves but it was not elite.
@smoothgent1011 I wouldn’t say he was elite offensively, it’s just he was so physically dominant in the low post, he could average nearly 30 points per game. But at the end of the day, he had to be taken out at the end of games because he was limited offensively. He was dominant, I wouldn’t say he had elite skill. If he played under the same rules as Wilt, his career would have looked way different.
@@Tilinfinity42Did you see Shaq when he first got to the league? Shaq was very skilled.
@@lewismoultrie5548 yes, what would you say his skills were?
@Tilinfinity42 When Shaq first came into the league, he could dribble the ball , he could push it in transition if he needed to , he was fast and very mobile for his size and could run the floor.
LeBron was never the best defender on his team. Was getting 1st team defensive and Battier was the best defender on miami
Thank you!
Thank you! He's overrated AF on defense cause of those chase down blocks. He has NEVER locked anyone down. Paul Pierce use to give him the business and he REFUSED to even try to guard Dirk during the Finals! That Finals really exposed him.
Tru battier was elite
LeBron has been getting cooked for years
Y’all wanna forget how LeBron had a video of him getting dunked on by Jordan Crawford when he was in HS 😂
@@Mrgiftedsoul His WHOLE team went into FULL damage control mode.
Damn, it’s crazy that she’s more knowledgeable than the dudes on here. They need to find a different subject to talk about…like food or something, because they DEFINITELY don’t know basketball 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
Lebron?? And Defense!!! Stop it…
He came 2nd in DPOY same year he won MVP
@ 100 years ago
Jordan made All defense 9 TIMES ion wanna hear him next to MJ I'm sorry lol
@@SoICYDRE662 He hasn't played defense in over a decade, quit bullshitting.
The failure of basketball starts and ends with Lefraud James. There has never been a player in sports who has destroyed the fabric of an entire league culture like he has.
GTFH! Take yourself to that garbage NFL and go watch players quit mid game or see Aaron Rodgers stink up the place
@fortone3390 I blame LEFRAUD JAMES for all of it. He is the face of failure, quitting, excuses and Stat padding. He can't be coached nor does he ever take accountability. It all started once he was given a false sense of power
1 MILLION % AGREED!!🙄
I don't agree because LeBron was here since 2003 he has 2 decades worth of being great for ratings it's the European and Africans people don't want to watch
@andrebryant5081 I agree, Joel Embid suck! I don't understand the other players because Joker and Luka are entertaining to watch, as well as Gannis.
You can be an elite passer and not an elite offensive player. Idk why it’s so difficult to understand.
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@@The_Protagonist Definitely!
Facts
Sports Tea is a beast
Elite at help side defender bruh????? 😂😅😂 Really?
Can we acknowledge that Bron has generally left defense to get handled by other players on his teams for most of his career?? In Miami, he 100% allowed Birdman, Battier, Haslem, and others to set the defensive tone; none of those players looked to Bron. Bron looked to them. In his second Cleveland stint, he had Tristan, Shump, Birdman (Again), Bogut, and Love. There has never been a game(s) or a series that Bron has wholly taken over defensively. What do they always say? Bron always makes the RIGHT basketball decision, which is why Bron has been delegating leadership responsibilities to other teammates his entire career. He knows he's not truly a defensive-minded player. If he was, why didn't he take the challenge and win DPOY after he felt Marc stole it from him?? He'd rather say it was stolen, than prove it and go win it.
"Bron has been delegating leadership responsibilities to other teammates his enitre career."
But managed to get credit for being a leader, because of our lazy, bought and paid for sports media.
Well said..
Lebron Defense ratings were never below 100 for his era.. there's a video on youtube where he's getting cooked from 1 to 5 positions 😅
That's a lie. Bron defensive rating all time is better than Jordan and Kobe. Look it up. Kobe got them all defensive teams from reputation. His defensive rating was not good most years. And they already said that Jordan defensive stats back them was bolster and a lie to make him look good. Jus use Google people. Bron was a plus defender when he went back to Cleveland and the 2020 year. He should've had a least 8 or 9 all defensive teams instead of 6..
What I believe is IMPORTANT to note is this: LeBron is not ALONE in the group of SCORERS who only play ONE SIDE OF THE BALL in the last 10 - 15 years.
Check this list out and PLEASE NOTE IT. Of this generation of great scorers KEVIN DURANT, STEPH CURRY, JAMES HARDEN, KYRIE IRVING, LUKA DONCIC, DAMIAN LILLARD, JASON TAYTUM have NEVER made an ALL DEFENSIVE TEAM in their careers. All NBA...YES! But never been selected to an ALL DEFENSIVE TEAM. Also, the last All Defensive Team LEBRON was on was in 2014...10 YEARS AGO! That should speak VOLUMES to how little DEFENSE has been pushed in this generation and scoring has. And these are considered some of the best SCORERS of this generation. Hmmmmmm interesting! Carry On...
He said Jason Kidd was an elite scorer 😂😂
That's like calling a guy a shut down corner that only plays zone.
GOOD EXAMPLE
Richard Sherman and Ty Law are shutdown CBs
She cook them....
6 all defensive teams cooks the entire debate
@@MandownsportsMOST DEFINITELY; especially playing 22 years!!
Those guys shouldn't be allowed to talk basketball ever again.. especially with homegirl because she cooked them with facts and knowledge
My man was getting cooked on this one. I think the problem is that because there is no elite player currently active in the NBA both offensively and defensively we could point to, you end up judging players on a less restrictive curve. The game has been watered down too much and the money these guys get wont allow them to take risks. There are only specialists in the league now.
Homie with the Gray Beard sounds TIRED & Sleepy every Post 😫🤣🤣😫
Naw I agree with her. Put it like this. An ELITE offensive player has to check the offensive categories at a high rate. When u hear MJ what do you think minus the offensive proof. What do u think? I feel her on the specific category cause if u played ball u understand the point of the categories.
Love her!!!!! She’s so right!
OG gotta stop caping for Bron like this!! His analogies are just horrible.. Stats do matter to a certain extent when it comes to efficiency!!
Exactly. He's making himself out to be a LeDiddy fan boy glazer.. 😂😂😂
"So you can't be an elite offensive player unless you score the basketball?"
No, you can't, because we don't call Draymond Green or Ben Simmons elite because they are good passers.
These dude remedial ASF...she cooking these birds
Man ol girl carrying these cats😂😂😂
Stall em out Ms.Debo😅😅😅
MJ: Actually won DPOY, Scoring title MVP in the SAME season..
Kobe: 9x 1st Team All-NBA DEFENSE (most in history)
Lebron: ALMOST won DPOY, 5x 1st Team All-NBA DEFENSE
That’s what Barton & Dominque talking abt. The standard fell off..
Jai might need to take a week off like lebron. His mind not in it right now
He needs to go down to Miami get some of that LeBalco reenergize... 😂😂
You’re right… he may be hungry or something
@elboogie2371 time for that snickers sponsor 😆
@@nostalgicgamer1363 😂🤣EXACTLY
LeBron is garbage 🗑
Even if Lebron was an elite defender for a couple of years, if longevity is the crown that he wears, why did he had to give up on defense to be great on offense? Why is that not part of his game now? Tell me he wanted to go for Kareem's record coz he was damn lucky to have 4 rings... He's not sniffing any ring now.
THANK YOU I say this all the time……he doesn’t lock ANYONE up
"It started at a diddy party" he's my favorite from now on. That man hit that with perfect timing. Bruh. Thats one of the best jokes i heard in a while.
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An elite defensive player that can’t guard anybody is INSANE!!!! Those dudes were definitely left behind!!
Dude did such a poor job of making a basis for his argument. It’s a losing one but he didn’t support it well with any facts
Will Barton is dead on and it’s crazy that Jai is so unaware. Dominique is dead on… Because LeBron has been the face of the league for many years, he should be held more accountable than others because he is the LEAD CULPRIT of No on ball (pause) defense!!
"When Godzilla was a BABY' KILLED ME 😂😂😂
The bizar thing is these guys are totally off in their analysis, Dom is so on point, but since she is preaching to def ears.... An elite defender is elite when he/she is such a force on defense you have to respect that, so LBJ is not elite at defense, never has been, but he reads the game so he is great at the helpdefense, hence the chase down blocks. Nobody is elite on offense if your impact is non impactful for your team. So KD is elite on offense, cause he has impact, Shaq was elite on offense cause his scoring has impact on winning, LBJ is not elite on scoring cause his points dont really amount impact since he mostly gets to up his points during garbage time, look at the games please... CP3 is elite at playmaking, just look at his career, everywhere he went the team went up in standings and points....
Like Barton said. Playing both sides builds character and rivalries. One example is Dream. In 95 when David Robinson won MVP Kenny Smith joking told Dream David had his MVP before that HOU vs SA series. Dream was so pissed he went out there and completely killed that man!!!
She’s schooling these guys ….. I feel embarrassed for these guys
That's what happens when you're fans of players you like and not a student of the game. The mofo can't even name a year when saying multiple years. No sense at all.
Will is absolutely right. You hear this excuse for Lebron, Luka and Jokic(yes Jokic's defense is ass!) and it kills me when they say these guys can play in any era. They can't!! It's sad. Lebron would have been an target in the 90's!
He leaning back throwing his hands up like he making an obvious point-just loud and wrong😂😂😂😂
Jason Kidd was an elite Offensive player because of the amount of pressure on the defense.
Shaq was an elite scorer, not an elite shooter ... i.e. has was able to put the ball in the basket (dunk/score) not shoot from the perimeter with efficiency
Or the FT line.. Clang. That's how it sounded when Shaq shot FTs.. 😮😂😂😂
She is right Big Dawg 💪🤣 please tell me that you are not a Queen James fan 🤣🤣 cause he hasn't played defense in 11 years now 🤣🤣 it's over for the 🤡🤡 and the new Pat Rally 🤣🤣 OMG
Dude on the bottom is talking absolute nonsense.
Naw he just like to troll on the show frfr😂😅
@@devensilas6342Naw he serious.. Dude just can't put logical thinking together trying to defend his rusty crown wearing king... 😂😂😂
I love this chick basketball mind by far the best I see online talking ball she gets it 💪🏾
Shaq getting doubled is a form of playmaking
When the woman is making more sense on sports podcast, you're in trouble 😊
Ricky Rubio was an elite passer, but Deron Williams, Chris Paul and Steve Nash were elite offensive guys because they can pass, play make, and score! You cannot be elite on offense present day without averaging 20+ points, but you can be an elite offensive player without being great at everything if you averaging 27+ points a game
You can't be elite offensively if you're only elite at one thing. An elite offensive player is elite at everything on offense. This is not rocket science.
Dom should merch some real tea, green tea for waking up and camomille for sleeping.
Tea for the win!! Always spittin facts!
By this standard, 90% of NBA players are elite. They’re all good at something.
The biggest reason Jokic, Giannis, Joel and Luka aren't stars and the NBA are idiots from going away what made them rich in the first place.
“Some people will lie for the sake of being positive” ~ me.
As a man, these dudes tried to mansplain to her about offense. She is absolutely correct. And Shaq always dominated, Kyle Kover had a good game.
Today I learned that Ben Simmons is an elite offensive player
These dudes making men look bad. This lady is 1000% correct.
The year Camelo made him cry... he was elite 🤣🤣🤣
That Jai don’t know shit about basketball he claims he old school I’m old school been watching the NBA from the late 60s he’s stubborn asf no objectivity that young lady has more knowledge than him
Lebron being called “the best all around basketball player” or “the best two way player” is a bold faced lie because half the game is defense and LeBron is not a defender. Just because you’ve got some cool chase down blocks does not make you an elite defender.
I would not call a flawed player an elite offensive or defensive player if he had holes in his game.
Trae has always played harder on offense you can literally look up his scouting report before he made it to the nba and it’s spot on how he has played TILL this year. That’s why my hawks are having more success he’s actually playing less selfish basketball. That’s why his ppg is down but his APG is up I love it. Dyson Daniels literally woke up the team with his defensive mindset. Crazy a 3rd year 21 year old player has to show a 7th year what a winning formula of basketball looks like. 😂😂😂😂
Producer, please keep the names of the panelist on the screen at all times, thank you!
I consider LeBron a legacy player at this point of his career. I dont really expect him to shut people down on defense every night. The guy is in his what 22nd season at 40 years old. The most minutes played all time, 2nd most played games or something like that. He's done his work. Its up to these younger players to carry the load and become real Superstars. And the NBA needs to get back to promoting players the way they used to.
BS post.. If age is a factor then LeBron should retire.. It can't be both ways.. He's done his job WTF you on? 😮
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Sports tea be killing it. I hope these brothers don’t be trying to explain anything on RUclips. They aren’t the brightest bulbs. She is actually explaining it in context and they don’t get it.
The only time LeBron ever played defense on a consistent level was his years in Miami...
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The lady made more sense than those dudes. J Kidd was a passer. He passed the ball to elite scores. What makes u elite offensively is strictly scoring. Shaq was elite it doesn't matter how u score but that u score and can't be stopped from scoring.
Competition sucks now--and the better talent nowadays just highlights how bad it has truly gotten.
Thats just in general too smh.
LeBron wasn't even an elite defender early in his career. Until he was coached by Mike Brown he started caring about defense
Dude with the grey beard was making absolutely no sense,i mean he actually said you don’t have to play defense hard to be considered elite.
You guys have to change the word Elite to cool the argument 😄
She’s correct, he was an elite pt. Guard but not an elite basketball offense player, Derek rose pre injury was an elite basketball player. Just saying
You lost that debate big dawg.. she was right on this one .. J Kidd was an elite passer and elite rebounder for his size . He was also great at controlling tempo with high basketball IQ.. scoring the ball was not his forte.
I can’t believe Jay and Chris aren’t agreeing with her. MEL shouldn’t have to be on for yall to use common sense. She is 100% correct. Jason kid was was and elite passer not a complete offensive player
Leflop is elite at needing more help !!
Jeff Hornacek and Peja Stojakovic were 3pt specialists, but not elite offensive players
LeBron was never elite defensively for sure and I can’t say he was elite offensively because he has no handles, no moves, couldn’t shoot good outside of 3ft from the hoop, not a good 3pt shooter. lol that girl made the old mf sound out of his depths 😂
A chase down block doesnt make u an elite defender 🤣🤣🤣🤣 oooo she cookin
Look the league follows its face. When Magic and Bird was the face of the NBA they brought in a level of competition which made everybody want to compete. MJ, hard work ethic, competitive natural spread across the league. Kobe similar to MJ maintained what Jordan brought to the league. Then LeBron came in and turned everything around he was the chosen one and the league followed his path. Lack of wanting to compete building superteams, not participating in all star events, not giving his all on the defensive side etc...
6:50 LeBron used to be an elite HELP defender
You can tell on this panel who has played ball before. Because an elite play maker or passer does not make you a elite offensive player. Being able to shoot 3-pointer mid range layups pass the ball have correct court vision being able to grab rebounds set picks knowing when to past the ball being able to score in the post. That is a elite offensive player
This elite title has to stop being put on every one because it becomes hard to differentiate bad, average,good, great n elite player's and to me personally thats why the hall of fame list is all jacked up it's because they are starting to label participating players awarded to the hall of fame
I need a invite to this panel the guy in the Atlanta Hawks hat. I wanna respond to you shaq was a elite center based upon posting up dominant in the paint versus great centers and you can put him on any team and you would get the same results. Kyle karver could only shoot 3-pointer and he could not play for every team and get the same results he couldn't bring anything else to a team other than 3 point shooting couldn't dribble set picks didn't grab rebounds nor pass shoot off the dribble dunk layup so that comparison is nowhere being accurate
Saying that a SPECIALIST is an elite offensive or defensive player is insulting. Bruce Bowen was a defensive specialist. Ben Wallace was an elite DEFENDER. Huge difference. It shows up with the eye test AND the stats. And hell no, Jason Kidd is NOT an elite offensive player and could not score at will and neither could Rajon Rondo. If you don't average at least 15 ppg, you are not a quality scorer. Rondo was pretty much what Ben Simmons would look like if he played fearlessly and with full confidence. Solid all around, but not elite in any specific area
LeBron Tip Poppers are pathetic 😂
Shaq was a elite offensive player though. Because he scored at such a rate that he commanded double teams at that point he learned to pass out of double teams which means he became a offensive hub. Being a hub for a offensive is what makes you elite on the offensive end. In that regard yes Kidd was a elite offensive olayer because yes hebwas the greatest at scoring yet he genrated so many points with his play making we have to put him in that group.
Edit also Kidd was elite at getting to the basket slashing and was legit a 1 man fastbreak. So Kidd was most def elite on offense.
LeBrawn’s (💪🏼🚫🧠) in his prime was a decent willing defender. His defense against D Rose in the playoffs and the iggy block will always be pointed out as a “gotcha” moments by his rabid fan base. Defense is a hard metric to measure because MJ’s defensive rating was a 102.7 and LeFlop’s is a 104.8. LeHelpless’s 2008-09 was probably his best defensive year with 137 steals and 93 blocks but when compared to MJ’s 87-88 campaign, where he totaled 259 steals and 131 blocks, for a 6’6 SG is one of the many insane stats that separates the GOATS from the podcasters 😂
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Him turning the ball does have a fog in the fight because he demands to have the ball n his hands instead of defer to a point guard. Everything he fies is so right is what it seems. Hw turns the ball over a lot. Not elite but stats make a lot of ppl forget about his extra pressure he puts on his teammates to cover up certain things.
I never thought I'd see the day where when people get together to talk sports that a woman would be the smartest fan of that sport in the room! They should feel embarrassed, hats off to her because she clearly knows basketball!!!😂
Well she played basketball don't know bout the guys
The NBA wasnt built for elite defence other than the center. You cant touch a player to stop him defensively without picking up a foul. Also great offensive players ARE NOT FORCED TO PLAY DEFENSE BY THE COACH!!? It has always been like that. Do you honestly think a player like Reggie Miller who was a elite shooter who ran off picks could also get gritty and be a dog defensively? Like goin back to Cali "i dont think so"
So according to J Robinson that plays in Miami is an elite offensive player, huh?🤔
Wow… hearing this dude not get the point over and over again is the most frustrating thing I’ve ever listened to😂
Theres just no sense in pride and will for the modern NBA player. Its easy to care about offense, that is what is glorified.
Defense is ALL heart and hustle..these guys dont care about the game like that, they just want their stats and to look good doing it.