Plus the teammates are giving the star the easy defensive rebounds. Lebron and gainnis just sit under the rim and luka teammates block out to give him the defensive rebound. The same people celebrating their favorite players getting triple doubles are the same ones that called Westbrook a stat padder
Triple doubles have become the most overrated stat in the NBA may be in all of sports. It used to be good because people would get it without just stat padding. Now it’s so easy to get stats in the NBA that it really doesn’t mean what it used to mean. Also, all of the stats are offensive, because they really don’t fight for rebounds anymore so the best player is just allowed to get them and put up rebounding stats. Look at some of the ridiculous rebounds they count for LeBron. Angry old hoops did a whole video on LeBron getting phantom stats the last few years.Basically what they tried to accuse Michael Jordan of their actually doing for LeBron. Just like any dictator usually they just accuse the other person of what they’re doing.
Caller could not even explain Mel's own logic. Comprehension is scarce now a days. Caller is the Clown Ring Master of this circus. What is that VELVET!?!?!?! Keep up the good work, Mel.
That caller from Texas has to be on the UnKlutch payroll. That dude makes his rounds to every channel that is not sniffing Lebron's jockstrap; that has to be his fulltime job.
They also changed the rules on what makes an assist. Now you can take 5 dribbles, get 2 screens, take a 5 step gather, and make the shot - the guy who passed it to you before ALL of that gets the assist
Lebron stans really are a cult. Lebron has 4 titles, true, it helps when you stack the deck in your favor and hook up with multiple HOFers to do so. But why is he also 4-6 in the finals with the second most losses in finals history? Along with being 1 of only 2 top 10 all time players (Wilt Chamberlain being the other) with a losing record in the finals?...
I agree. Oscar Robertson was dominant in the league with the Cincinnati Royals as the only option, but it wasn’t until he got to Milwaukee and hooked up with Kareem, so the Big O wasn’t the first option, that the Big O found success and won a ring! I am of an age where I saw all of them play in the NBA from the 1950s on….
I mean if we go deeper Kareem couldn't win without Oscar or Magic. Think about it. He had a 8 year gap between them and was not getting playoff results at all!!!!
It’s such a boring style to watch. I’d prefer watching the pre shot clock era than that hero ball. Did you say Shawn Marion shoots like a frog? That’s hilarious.
"Nobody plays defense anymore because you can't anymore! ... I wasn't talking about Jaylen Brown guarding Luka. I said Tatum." The callers embarrass themselves sometimes.
That style of play also makes the other players on the team bored and disinterested in the game. Thats why the players play like they don’t care cause they just out there not involved
According to available data, Nikola Jokic typically holds the ball for around 2.7 seconds per touch on average, which is considered relatively short compared to other players despite having a high number of touches per game; this highlights his unique ability to quickly read the game and make decisions with the ball in his hands. Lebron - 7 seconds Luka - 10 seconds Granted, I have no clue how accurate this information is... It's what I could find.
Additionally, you're AGAIN lumping Jokic in with Lebron and Luka. He NEVER guards the guy in the corner. He's always in the paint. Westbrick has been really solid on defense with Denver, obviously (as you mentioned) because his role is completely different.
Everybody who’s played with Russ Brook speak glowing about him. Westbrook never talked down about his teammates. I don’t know what people have against Westbrook.
I feel like everybody on the right played hero ball. They just knew how to use it.. all of those guys played both sides of the ball. They didn't take no time off.
Fanboys act like they dont understand the only way hero ball wins is w/ a Superteam You can win w/ people playing certain roles & Lebron cant win without a Superteam team Just look at his current team
Why are Lebron fans always talking about Top 5 instead of winning things? Oh, right... Because he's a massive loser. Why does Young insist on being loudly wrong for 30 mins every show? Some folks just love taking Ls.
The biggest issue with that style of play isn’t even resting on defense because Peyton manning had a similar problem and obviously people don’t play both sides in the nfl. The issue is that it’s easier to defend one person’s strengths than the strengths of a team and it’s easier to adapt your game plan to attack weaknesses of the other team if you don’t have one person making all the decisions. Also it makes other players feel like uninvolved cogs. Nothing creates team chemistry more than seeing the best player sacrifice to be part of the common goal. That’s why Steph and Duncan and and Kobe and mj played on teams that were more than the sum of their parts and certain other players always seem to need more help even when they have other top 10 players on their team. Besides 3 years with Durant Steph never had another top 10 players
That's a great point about resting on offense because the defense doesn't know if the ball's coming to you or not so you're a threat even when you don't score. You can also by resting on defense make your defender become complacent which allows you an opportunity to create separation get the ball and score from the perimeter...
Great individual effort Doesnt necessarily means u gonna win--games or a a chip 🤷♂️ Another reason why i think its more a 3v3 game now, then the classic 5v5 🤷♂️
Back in the days players got triple doubles organically they didn't do it on purpose for stats why you think there's so many triple-doubles now cherry picking
Mel next time young call up, let me get at him. Bru.. he always talking about media voted popularity awards voted on by biased media members. Who 95% don't have a single athletic bone in their body.. instead of actual on court dominance.. Next time he scream mvps fmvps,to try and make a case for who's the better player, tell him to explain why when LeBron won mvp in 09 did a interview and stated kobe was the best player in the league.
Yeah I agree with that caller the push off now is ridiculous in the NBA it's almost like a stiff arm in the NFL it's bad enough everything is so spread out and open and you can't really touch the player as a defender now you get to stiff arm too.,..crazy
I understand where you are coming from. But triple doubles correlate to wins. When Harden notches a triple-double, his team wins 81% of the time. When Jokic does, his team wins 78.4% of the time. When Lebron does, his team wins 76.5% of the time. Westbrook 73.5%. Only player than has a semi-similar record with/without a triple double is Luka at 68%.
@ Just looked it up, you are correct, definitely less wins. Only player that has a high % of wins when notching a triple double is Jokic at 74%. Harden is an 75% but very small sample size with only 4. Lebron/Luka/Westbrook all under 63%
@jaredrosenthal6378 teams font win games because a player notched a triple-double, it's highly likely the team performed well enough to win and oh by the way, the player notched a triple-double.
I’m not going to say it’s ruining the NBA, it’s just basketball. Basketball goes through cycles, always been the case. Back when Magic and Kareem first teamed up they were talking about how the current style of play was ruining the NBA; the Lakers were among the first to play a more chaotic style where your not just dumping the ball to Kareem every trip.
I don’t even see how anyone can argue against. You have the results layed out. Westbrook averaged a triple double for four seasons but never made it to the second round in the playoffs for any of those seasons. Kobe tried to tell James Harden this isn’t championship basketball.
Luka is definitely trying hard to fit in with the team style of play, it’s working, but still glad he can play his style of game and be him when he’s needs to, in the game vs OKC, was a little to passive in the team concept.
@@JoshWilliams-i8pYes you CAN be both. But it doesn't translate to winning championships is what Mel is saying. If you want to win consistently you need to choose one. That's what the history of the league has shown and what was well shown in the video.
@benjamingilbert-richardson7734 yes it does. Watch the 91 finals. Watch any of Lebrons finals wins. Watch the 23 finals. You can absolutely win facilitating and scoring. It just takes a very special player to be able to pull it off. Stop trying to dumb down these players to fit in a box from the 1900s.
@JoshWilliams-i8p I believe you are being intentionally obtuse here and quite disingenuous for saying Jordan was a "facilitator" in the 91 finals. He was a willing passer when double teamed and the main beneficiary was John Paxon who was often wide open. But Jordan was in the triangle and was definitely NOT the facilitator of the offense, the triangle has no facilitator. You have completely ignored the word "consistently" and are ignoring the point of the video. This is proven by the fact that in ~80 years of NBA history you can point to 4-5 times where the style of play has resulted in a chip. And there are just as many examples where team ball on a less "skilled" team has won. '04, '11, '14. And that's not counting all the times James "The System" Harden has flamed out in the playoffs Have a good day. I dislike arguing with disingenuous people.
The only garbage teammate Jokic has is Murray, and I've said it for years. Worst max player in the NBA. 4/18 half the time, but he makes a 3 in the 4th quarter, and everyone forgets that his brick-laying is why the Nuggets were down most of the game... Aaron Gordon is insane on D, and can produce on offense when need, great on the boards when healthy. MPJ has some rough games (like everyone), but he's transitioned from sitting on the outside to getting in the paint and making plays and rebounding, really stepping up. He's fast becoming a favorite of mine. Braun is solid, frontrunner for most improved player, imho... Strawther, Watson, and Jordan are often solid off the bench. Westbrick off the bench has brought great energy and facilitating, taking a lot of the burden to get guys going off of Jokic. He's looked great in the games he's starting, although the shot's not there. The rest of the bench could use some work, but nobody but Lebron in Miami gets an all star bench. Luka has Kyrie, Klay, Lively, Gafford, PJ, Dinwiddie, Grimes, Naji... Mavs have a fuckin` squad, and they might work a deal for Jimmy Butler!!! No bums in sight.
Murray is a less athletic JR Smith. I have maintained this for a LONG time. If he is your 2nd option you can win when he's hot. But you will LOSE when he goes cold because there is no shot he will not take.
@@benjamingilbert-richardson7734 And he has been cold for a year. I'd bet money that Malone talked to him about playing off the bench, and that's why he was randomly injured at the last second.
You kinda cheated with the comparison man, I mean, you could have used current NBA players to make the comparison more fair because there are some system players in the Association and it would be good to talk about them and promote them, MJ and Kobe? We already know they're the best 😂
Ya'll gotta stop with they don't play defense anymore last I heard the warriors played defense and they they never had and big a true big man like you pointed out Bron hinder his teammates from playing defense cause he doesn't play defense himself
Hahahaha. I love that you had to criticize Caitlyn Clark and that she is the ONLY WNBA player you critique, just to get your hate in. Hahaha. Anyone who knows basketball knows that Jokic doesn’t play Hero ball. He may have a high usage percentage but, he also delivers and has the highest efficiency rating in the entire league! He is top 10 in rebounding, passing, and 3point percentage. He has the highest plus minus in the league and in history this year. The rest of em I agree but, you are also missing a LOT of NBA players. A LOT! Tell me what defense Jokic isn’t playing? Blocks? Because he is top 7 in steals and averages 1 block a game.
@@Mandownsports tbh bra I feel like joker the only player that don't try to get triple dubs, it's him playing ball, most times early in the games he's passing more than scoring, and at the end of the game he's basically got 1,
He didn’t say u were less useful or that it wasn’t important to have all the skills….he’s saying you have to pick when it’s more beneficial to use them if I’m interpreting you correctly
MEL; you are a THINKING MAN...Looking at your TOP TRIPLE DOUBLE LIST; "why" do you THINK/BELIEVE The JOKER "really really"; "seemingly" DESIRED Russ to come play for DENVER?? 😮😶😉🤔🧐 smh...
I don't even know if Jokic wanted Russ but if he did it's probably because they miss what Bruce Brown did for them off the bench and they are trying to find that in Russ
These are facts but take of CC on this one. She's a rookie and actully is trying on defense having vlocks and steals even if she aint a natural defender. Draged no chance iowa to the finals denying powerhouse socal another title and lsu another possible one on her senior yr lol
@ i’m just trying to figure out how Westbrook end up in that category he plays harder than anybody in this entire era and he plays on both sides of the ball. It’s bad that mainstream media beat down Westbrook when he doesn’t deserve it.
This caller doesn't get it why you always trying to make this callers to understand. ... he should be on Gil Arenas and Shannon Sharpe podcast that's where he needs to be 😂😅
If these so called more skilled players àre the most skilled in nba's history why can't they playoff off the ball and still put up the same numbers like MJ Kobe etc who supposed to be plumbers
Where the hell did you learn to compose a sentence? You should repeat fourth grade and understand how to appropriately articulate yourself without sounding like you wear a crash helmet. JFC
Haha I like Man Down Sports and I think he makes well thought out points. But his blind spot is Kobe. He won’t level the same criticisms towards him that he would other players. Kobe guys are notorious for that.
I wannabe be i wannabe like Steph!! Steph has changed the game for the worse, but that's Not his fault!! Hopefully the Nba doesn't stop Steph from getting a 5th Ring over Leflop!!
Luka another overrated player Dallas play much better without him when he gives up the ball he does nothing these new players chase numbers Magic Alvin Robertson kidd guys like that didn't chase triple doubles they jus happen been Luka play like LeBron pick find a weak defender then drive 💪
Imagine claiming kobe didnt play hero ball lol...this guy picked 5 top10 guys who are retired vs 5 guys who are still playing and then said the retired top10 guys have the most rings....well duh....ITS 5 TOP10 RETIRED PLAYERS VS 5 GUYS STILL PLAYING LMAO....this is so dumbed down.
@cliffhill8895 they are all top 10 players of alltime...OF COURSE THEY WON..show me a player in the top10 who hasn't won. To say the never got stats is insanity ..The only player there that truly sacrificed to win was Tim Duncan. He the only one that sacrificed offensive numbers. You guys are clueless and run with narratives that are completely unsubstantiated.
"With Hero Ball, it's never the HERO's fault when they lose"
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@@TOP_OF_NEW_YORK absolute bars! 💯
Luka and Lebron's negative defense is always to blame. When you put up 30, but you give up 35 due to putting 0 effort... You're not a hero.
@TacoMahstah facts
@@TacoMahstah absolutely 💯
The same people that say Kobe was a ball hog are in love with a guy that handles the ball way more than Kobe, make it make sense.
The NBA Is Unwatchable Now 🚫
Plus the teammates are giving the star the easy defensive rebounds. Lebron and gainnis just sit under the rim and luka teammates block out to give him the defensive rebound. The same people celebrating their favorite players getting triple doubles are the same ones that called Westbrook a stat padder
Triple doubles have become the most overrated stat in the NBA may be in all of sports. It used to be good because people would get it without just stat padding. Now it’s so easy to get stats in the NBA that it really doesn’t mean what it used to mean. Also, all of the stats are offensive, because they really don’t fight for rebounds anymore so the best player is just allowed to get them and put up rebounding stats. Look at some of the ridiculous rebounds they count for LeBron. Angry old hoops did a whole video on LeBron getting phantom stats the last few years.Basically what they tried to accuse Michael Jordan of their actually doing for LeBron. Just like any dictator usually they just accuse the other person of what they’re doing.
Straight out of the narcissist playbook
Caller could not even explain Mel's own logic.
Comprehension is scarce now a days.
Caller is the Clown Ring Master of this circus.
What is that VELVET!?!?!?!
Keep up the good work, Mel.
Exactly. Comprehension is almost nonexistent some of these people can’t even read, spell, or type……
Team ball is crushing Team Hero
That’s why the mavs lost last year
7:32. Great analogy, Mel. I’m guessing that playing off the ball is a skill in of itself, and contributes to winning basketball.
That caller from Texas has to be on the UnKlutch payroll. That dude makes his rounds to every channel that is not sniffing Lebron's jockstrap; that has to be his fulltime job.
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Bigs got rebounds, guards got assist. Remove the bigs and jack threes and you get a lot of guards getting triple doubles.
They also changed the rules on what makes an assist. Now you can take 5 dribbles, get 2 screens, take a 5 step gather, and make the shot - the guy who passed it to you before ALL of that gets the assist
Lebron stans really are a cult.
Lebron has 4 titles, true, it helps when you stack the deck in your favor and hook up with multiple HOFers to do so.
But why is he also 4-6 in the finals with the second most losses in finals history?
Along with being 1 of only 2 top 10 all time players (Wilt Chamberlain being the other) with a losing record in the finals?...
Exactly 💯
I agree. Oscar Robertson was dominant in the league with the Cincinnati Royals as the only option, but it wasn’t until he got to Milwaukee and hooked up with Kareem, so the Big O wasn’t the first option, that the Big O found success and won a ring! I am of an age where I saw all of them play in the NBA from the 1950s on….
Well said...
I mean if we go deeper Kareem couldn't win without Oscar or Magic. Think about it. He had a 8 year gap between them and was not getting playoff results at all!!!!
It’s such a boring style to watch. I’d prefer watching the pre shot clock era than that hero ball. Did you say Shawn Marion shoots like a frog? That’s hilarious.
He really does tho 😂
"If you're 6'8" and 1016 lbs..." I died at work... :D :D :D
"Nobody plays defense anymore because you can't anymore! ... I wasn't talking about Jaylen Brown guarding Luka. I said Tatum." The callers embarrass themselves sometimes.
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That style of play also makes the other players on the team bored and disinterested in the game. Thats why the players play like they don’t care cause they just out there not involved
According to available data, Nikola Jokic typically holds the ball for around 2.7 seconds per touch on average, which is considered relatively short compared to other players despite having a high number of touches per game; this highlights his unique ability to quickly read the game and make decisions with the ball in his hands.
Lebron - 7 seconds
Luka - 10 seconds
Granted, I have no clue how accurate this information is... It's what I could find.
Additionally, you're AGAIN lumping Jokic in with Lebron and Luka. He NEVER guards the guy in the corner. He's always in the paint. Westbrick has been really solid on defense with Denver, obviously (as you mentioned) because his role is completely different.
Everybody who’s played with Russ Brook speak glowing about him. Westbrook never talked down about his teammates. I don’t know what people have against Westbrook.
I feel like everybody on the right played hero ball. They just knew how to use it.. all of those guys played both sides of the ball. They didn't take no time off.
Fanboys act like they dont understand the only way hero ball wins is w/ a Superteam
You can win w/ people playing certain roles & Lebron cant win without a Superteam team
Just look at his current team
Why are Lebron fans always talking about Top 5 instead of winning things? Oh, right... Because he's a massive loser. Why does Young insist on being loudly wrong for 30 mins every show? Some folks just love taking Ls.
The biggest issue with that style of play isn’t even resting on defense because Peyton manning had a similar problem and obviously people don’t play both sides in the nfl. The issue is that it’s easier to defend one person’s strengths than the strengths of a team and it’s easier to adapt your game plan to attack weaknesses of the other team if you don’t have one person making all the decisions. Also it makes other players feel like uninvolved cogs. Nothing creates team chemistry more than seeing the best player sacrifice to be part of the common goal. That’s why Steph and Duncan and and Kobe and mj played on teams that were more than the sum of their parts and certain other players always seem to need more help even when they have other top 10 players on their team. Besides 3 years with Durant Steph never had another top 10 players
That's a great point about resting on offense because the defense doesn't know if the ball's coming to you or not so you're a threat even when you don't score. You can also by resting on defense make your defender become complacent which allows you an opportunity to create separation get the ball and score from the perimeter...
Great individual effort
Doesnt necessarily means u gonna win--games or a a chip
🤷♂️
Another reason why i think its more a 3v3 game now, then the classic 5v5
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“NO HE NOT! NO HE NOT NO HE NOT! NO HE NOT!” 😂😂😂😂
Thanks! Your breakdown was 100% on point. Young is 💯 delusional.
Thanks for the super!
Back in the days players got triple doubles organically they didn't do it on purpose for stats why you think there's so many triple-doubles now cherry picking
Mel next time young call up, let me get at him. Bru.. he always talking about media voted popularity awards voted on by biased media members. Who 95% don't have a single athletic bone in their body.. instead of actual on court dominance..
Next time he scream mvps fmvps,to try and make a case for who's the better player, tell him to explain why when LeBron won mvp in 09 did a interview and stated kobe was the best player in the league.
which player u prefer? the 25 pts 8 reb 8 ast guy or or the 15 pts 10 reb 10 ast triple double guy 🤔
I gotta see them play to know
Stats is why bam and that other dude were arguing in that last game.
Yeah I agree with that caller the push off now is ridiculous in the NBA it's almost like a stiff arm in the NFL it's bad enough everything is so spread out and open and you can't really touch the player as a defender now you get to stiff arm too.,..crazy
Love the way you broke it down the Luka fan... priceless ❤
All day
I understand where you are coming from. But triple doubles correlate to wins. When Harden notches a triple-double, his team wins 81% of the time. When Jokic does, his team wins 78.4% of the time. When Lebron does, his team wins 76.5% of the time. Westbrook 73.5%. Only player than has a semi-similar record with/without a triple double is Luka at 68%.
Do they correlate to wins in the playoffs?
@ Just looked it up, you are correct, definitely less wins. Only player that has a high % of wins when notching a triple double is Jokic at 74%. Harden is an 75% but very small sample size with only 4. Lebron/Luka/Westbrook all under 63%
@jaredrosenthal6378 teams font win games because a player notched a triple-double, it's highly likely the team performed well enough to win and oh by the way, the player notched a triple-double.
Jason Kidd could have had 60 more triple doubles if he was Playing selfish.
Dude so emotional! Your patience with the Bron Stan was impeccable.
MVP... shouldn't be based on stats! Whose bringing the people at the games and around the tv set
I’m not going to say it’s ruining the NBA, it’s just basketball. Basketball goes through cycles, always been the case.
Back when Magic and Kareem first teamed up they were talking about how the current style of play was ruining the NBA; the Lakers were among the first to play a more chaotic style where your not just dumping the ball to Kareem every trip.
Solid podcast my boy! You from Chi fam?
Nah, I'm from NC
@ heck ya! My two fav athletes are from NC-Big game Tory Holt and MJ
The magic was definitely supposed to beat Cleveland
MJ had the ball in his hands early in his career. Phil J took the ball out of his hands and he won 6 🏆
Great points as usual. Jokic, Clark and Brody tries to play defense though.
Dude is the epitome of “the lights are on but nobody’s home”… he just be saying anything and can’t articulate his points worth a damn.
LeBron and Jokic are combined for 5 rings. Their combined finals record are 5-9.
Great discussion and chart. I don't like the inclusion of CC - but I cannot dispute it. Doing too much on offense leads to laziness of defense
@ Mel, u cooking bro great topic and rundown... U r the basketball GURU
🫡 salute
GREAT VIDEO. Great content i appreciate the extra stuff you do and your knowledge of the game is subpar!
Subpar or superb?
@ superb lol
mad patience Bro ,,,, show was dope !!!!!
Appreciate it 🙏
I would’ve put Bill Russell on team 🏀
I’ve never heard Russell Westbrook not playing defense, and Magic Johnson have never been known for playing defense🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
The fact remains
@ yeah I’m not trying to change your opinion. I just don’t feel like Russell Westbrook belongs in that category.
I don’t even see how anyone can argue against. You have the results layed out. Westbrook averaged a triple double for four seasons but never made it to the second round in the playoffs for any of those seasons. Kobe tried to tell James Harden this isn’t championship basketball.
They know they can't argue with it. Dude just called in to negotiate taking Lebron of the list lol 😆
Dog u spot on straight facts dope💪
Luka is definitely trying hard to fit in with the team style of play, it’s working, but still glad he can play his style of game and be him when he’s needs to, in the game vs OKC, was a little to passive in the team concept.
Honestly, LeBron's stats look a lot like Jordan's at 39-40 years old.
7:32. So in team ball, you’re either the scorer or facilitator. Because Magic was a facilitator.
Yes, u must choose one
@Mandownsports no you don't have to choose one. You can be both. Stop trying to dumb down hoopers and force them into a box.
@@JoshWilliams-i8pYes you CAN be both. But it doesn't translate to winning championships is what Mel is saying. If you want to win consistently you need to choose one. That's what the history of the league has shown and what was well shown in the video.
@benjamingilbert-richardson7734 yes it does. Watch the 91 finals. Watch any of Lebrons finals wins. Watch the 23 finals. You can absolutely win facilitating and scoring. It just takes a very special player to be able to pull it off. Stop trying to dumb down these players to fit in a box from the 1900s.
@JoshWilliams-i8p I believe you are being intentionally obtuse here and quite disingenuous for saying Jordan was a "facilitator" in the 91 finals. He was a willing passer when double teamed and the main beneficiary was John Paxon who was often wide open. But Jordan was in the triangle and was definitely NOT the facilitator of the offense, the triangle has no facilitator.
You have completely ignored the word "consistently" and are ignoring the point of the video. This is proven by the fact that in ~80 years of NBA history you can point to 4-5 times where the style of play has resulted in a chip. And there are just as many examples where team ball on a less "skilled" team has won. '04, '11, '14. And that's not counting all the times James "The System" Harden has flamed out in the playoffs
Have a good day. I dislike arguing with disingenuous people.
The only garbage teammate Jokic has is Murray, and I've said it for years. Worst max player in the NBA. 4/18 half the time, but he makes a 3 in the 4th quarter, and everyone forgets that his brick-laying is why the Nuggets were down most of the game... Aaron Gordon is insane on D, and can produce on offense when need, great on the boards when healthy. MPJ has some rough games (like everyone), but he's transitioned from sitting on the outside to getting in the paint and making plays and rebounding, really stepping up. He's fast becoming a favorite of mine. Braun is solid, frontrunner for most improved player, imho... Strawther, Watson, and Jordan are often solid off the bench. Westbrick off the bench has brought great energy and facilitating, taking a lot of the burden to get guys going off of Jokic. He's looked great in the games he's starting, although the shot's not there. The rest of the bench could use some work, but nobody but Lebron in Miami gets an all star bench.
Luka has Kyrie, Klay, Lively, Gafford, PJ, Dinwiddie, Grimes, Naji... Mavs have a fuckin` squad, and they might work a deal for Jimmy Butler!!! No bums in sight.
Murray is a less athletic JR Smith. I have maintained this for a LONG time. If he is your 2nd option you can win when he's hot. But you will LOSE when he goes cold because there is no shot he will not take.
@@benjamingilbert-richardson7734 And he has been cold for a year. I'd bet money that Malone talked to him about playing off the bench, and that's why he was randomly injured at the last second.
I learned something today thanks
You kinda cheated with the comparison man, I mean, you could have used current NBA players to make the comparison more fair because there are some system players in the Association and it would be good to talk about them and promote them, MJ and Kobe? We already know they're the best 😂
Ikr why not highlight guys like Tatum, Dame and Brunson.
Curry, KD, Kawhi, Tatum, Embiid would be the current players. The point will still be made
@@Mandownsports embid tho? The guy has a peg leg
Ya'll gotta stop with they don't play defense anymore last I heard the warriors played defense and they they never had and big a true big man like you pointed out Bron hinder his teammates from playing defense cause he doesn't play defense himself
This era is making the nba weaker and weaker
The last caller give him a job
You truly understand basketball great great video
Thanks
Great show
Hahahaha. I love that you had to criticize Caitlyn Clark and that she is the ONLY WNBA player you critique, just to get your hate in. Hahaha. Anyone who knows basketball knows that Jokic doesn’t play Hero ball. He may have a high usage percentage but, he also delivers and has the highest efficiency rating in the entire league! He is top 10 in rebounding, passing, and 3point percentage. He has the highest plus minus in the league and in history this year. The rest of em I agree but, you are also missing a LOT of NBA players. A LOT! Tell me what defense Jokic isn’t playing? Blocks? Because he is top 7 in steals and averages 1 block a game.
I critique players that the mainstream media tell lies about so people can know the truth
Excellent breakdown and comparison
Joker is 109-30 in games where he has a triple dub
So Denver played so well in those he was able to concentrate on padding his stats enough to record a triple-double
@@Mandownsports tbh bra I feel like joker the only player that don't try to get triple dubs, it's him playing ball, most times early in the games he's passing more than scoring, and at the end of the game he's basically got 1,
I disagree man down sports the more skills you have as a basketball player the more useful you are The the Martin era just does not compete
He didn’t say u were less useful or that it wasn’t important to have all the skills….he’s saying you have to pick when it’s more beneficial to use them if I’m interpreting you correctly
You completely missed everything he said
I love 98 percent of your points but you can’t really think that Luka is “not that good “
He is good
MEL; you are a THINKING MAN...Looking at your TOP TRIPLE DOUBLE LIST; "why" do you THINK/BELIEVE The JOKER "really really"; "seemingly" DESIRED Russ to come play for DENVER??
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smh...
I don't even know if Jokic wanted Russ but if he did it's probably because they miss what Bruce Brown did for them off the bench and they are trying to find that in Russ
RESEARCH the JOKER wanting RUSS on the TEAM...
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Bruce Brown is a 3 and D guys....that sounds like Russ to you?
These are facts but take of CC on this one. She's a rookie and actully is trying on defense having vlocks and steals even if she aint a natural defender. Draged no chance iowa to the finals denying powerhouse socal another title and lsu another possible one on her senior yr lol
No
Adam Silver ruined the game
Somehow he is going to find a way to blame Lebron or JJ Reddick
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Russ is 9th all time in defensive rating
I don’t know how you can explain the triple double as hero ball you saying Rajon, Rondo, Jason, kid and Rushbrook didn’t play hard
U didn't listen to my breakdown well enough because the answer is in my breakdown
@ i’m just trying to figure out how Westbrook end up in that category he plays harder than anybody in this entire era and he plays on both sides of the ball. It’s bad that mainstream media beat down Westbrook when he doesn’t deserve it.
@barnardkemp9693 Sor, I explained everything in the video
This caller doesn't get it why you always trying to make this callers to understand. ... he should be on Gil Arenas and Shannon Sharpe podcast that's where he needs to be 😂😅
Lol
If these so called more skilled players àre the most skilled in nba's history why can't they playoff off the ball and still put up the same numbers like MJ Kobe etc who supposed to be plumbers
Facts, great question 🤔
Triple doubles are overrated in Wilt's words.
Now triple dubs are bad. Please stop.
Please listen and comprehend
Kobe play hero ball b4 are we forgot shit crazy
He didnt play that way when he won
Where the hell did you learn to compose a sentence? You should repeat fourth grade and understand how to appropriately articulate yourself without sounding like you wear a crash helmet. JFC
Haha I like Man Down Sports and I think he makes well thought out points. But his blind spot is Kobe. He won’t level the same criticisms towards him that he would other players. Kobe guys are notorious for that.
Jokic's best skill is passing. If his teammates haven't improved, he must take on more responsibilities.
If he wants his best skillset to be winning he needs to choose a role abd allow his co-star to have the other
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I wannabe be i wannabe like Steph!! Steph has changed the game for the worse, but that's Not his fault!! Hopefully the Nba doesn't stop Steph from getting a 5th Ring over Leflop!!
Luka another overrated player Dallas play much better without him when he gives up the ball he does nothing these new players chase numbers
Magic Alvin Robertson kidd guys like that didn't chase triple doubles they jus happen been Luka play like LeBron pick find a weak defender then drive 💪
Wait LeBron play hero ball since when lmao the capp is real
Since his rookie year
you’re delusional luka had no help before kyrie what are you talking about
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@@Mandownsports after brunson who did we have
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Brunson defense might be worse then Lukas.
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Did Carmelo win by playing isolation basketball? No. The game is cyclical.
Imagine claiming kobe didnt play hero ball lol...this guy picked 5 top10 guys who are retired vs 5 guys who are still playing and then said the retired top10 guys have the most rings....well duh....ITS 5 TOP10 RETIRED PLAYERS VS 5 GUYS STILL PLAYING LMAO....this is so dumbed down.
He’s saying they won. This group isn’t winning. Gunning for your numbers doesnt lead to winning. Once lebum is gone the nba will be in a good place
Kareem won in year 2
Magic year 1
Duncan year 2
Kobe year 4 (3 peat)
Jordan year 7 (3 peat)
Them being retired has nothing to do with it
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@cliffhill8895 they are all top 10 players of alltime...OF COURSE THEY WON..show me a player in the top10 who hasn't won. To say the never got stats is insanity ..The only player there that truly sacrificed to win was Tim Duncan. He the only one that sacrificed offensive numbers. You guys are clueless and run with narratives that are completely unsubstantiated.
@@JoshWilliams-i8pOkay well can you name 5 players who played hero ball who have won consistently?