I stopped bicycle commuting for a few years and got fat. I went back to bicycle commuting and lost most of the weight. I'm still 4 KG over what I would like to be. I think bicycle commuting means I eat the amount I want to eat but don't get fat, so the fuel side of it is basically free.
I put a spreadsheet together, comparing my Dodge Magnum (6.4L Hemi) and my trike, for a year, of operation. Basically I can run my trike for 7.1 years, for the same cost as my insurance premiums on the Dodge, for one year. To say nothing of how much healthier it is. Only problem is on range day, there is no way to haul my firearms and gear, with the trike.
Haha basically the only reason I also need my own car lol, can't get to a range without one and begging others to come with you (and provide the car) is a hassle : /
@@EmilFihlman When I'm feeling ambitious, I just put my B.O.B. trailer on and stick the long guns and range bags in there. It is downhill and about 1 1/4 hours to the range. The climb back is killer though and takes about 3+ hours, as there is a 18% grade on the way back.
@@DestructoPop Not sure if it has been riding and other physically active stuff, all of my life. Most folks peg my age, as being in my mid 30s. I'll admit to being over 70. Could be all the exercise, my bet is it is something in my genes.
Commute my ass, I have been retired over 15 years and ride my WAW, which I bought about 5 years ago used for $5,000 USD with less than 500 miles on it, and would rather ride my velomobile 20 hours in a day than drive a car for 20 minutes. I love the velomobile so much I have ridden my NoCom once in almost 5 years. Do not buy a velomobile if you are an introvert or just don't like to talk, especially if you live in the USA, because everyone wants to ask you questions and take pictures. My upright cycling buddies get jealous because no ones wants to talk to them! Keep spreading the word Saukki. My next velomobile will be a Quattrovelo.
I commute for 19 km/day, last month 170 km driven. Bike-incentive payed by my work is 25€cent/km. So i've earned almost 45€ last month. My car consumes 7,5 l/100 km. So it's also 24€ less fuell consumption. Or: in one month at least 70€ in savings. My Velomobile was 2nd hand, so in 4.4 years i've earned my Velomobile back.
Sir, I have been cycling i guess now for 2 years start of the pandemic, before I would take metro everywhere. Now I kinda like it. I know my city more and the other cities a lot more. Like a lot more. I know every alley, side street, road, how it interconnects, I never had this amount of street knowledge. If you have the patience, I say do it.
i just bought e-assist for my velomobile so i can see my family more often that lives 300 km away. but for daily use i dont need assist. and yes the e-assist cost some money but if i can make longer trips in shorter time it will pay itself back. and hopefully the battery's will hold 300 km but i will find that out next week.
Preaching to the choir my man. Ride my trike everyday, everywhere. My pick up truck is now dying from lack of use. And still I pay. Insurance, registration, inspection, maintenance, gas. Literally paying for something I CHOOSE not to use. So because it's a choice, I guess it's a real part of the cost of cycling. On the other hand, after one year+ using my GS Magnum to accumulate 3000+ miles- I've bought 3 tires and a shifter cable. I get 10 miles to the banana! So my cost goes down daily. 😋😋😋
There is also the cost of going to the dentist more often because of all the dust, gravel, bugs, and inattentive vehicles you have to chew on... Maybe you should paint fierce, reflective teeth on the front of Voyager...? Really big, sharp, bloody ones so the drivers will get the idea...? Add a couple of small diameter pipes with scorch marks around them to simulate weapons ports? And a large reticle sight right in front of your wind screen, and silhouettes of small vehicles and stick figures on the sides of the nose... Sorry... I got carried away... Love the video as always! Is 'quark' some sort of probiotic yoghurt or yoghurt substitute with fruit in it? I usually have mine with granola or muesli tossed in for texture. Reminds me of chewing on gravel, but tastes much better!
Its so much cheaper commuting by bike or velomobile I really want a velomobile someday. Ive been commuting by bike for years and dont even own a car and yes you gotta eat more since you are the engine which needs fuel and the best quality fuel you put in yourself the highest performance you get. I eat a lot of eggs and chicken and supplement with vitamins and minerals since you sweat a lot of toxins and also good things like minerals so you need to replenish often. Its a great feeling to know that in order to go get groceries or go to work I have to put in more effort to do those things while also staying fit. Priceless!
I haven't eaten less before I started regular cycling but I've gotten healthier and much slimmer since then. So it is not only free to cycle but also advantageous for your health to ride a velomobile instead of using a car. Taken that into account the costs of riding a velomobile are not only zero but negative compared to a car - no diets and no medicine needed.
That's "gas," short for "gasoline," but yes, you do make a good point, my friend. By the way, TERRIFIC post! I LOVE your 'velo! I would LOVE to ride one of these on the Boardwalk in Rockaway Beach, New York.
There is actually an interesting page on wikipedia for this "Energy efficiency in transport". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_efficiency_in_transport#Velomobile It states something like 19.35 kCal / km which is more efficient per passenger meter then train. But it curiously also states that electric bicycle is more energy efficient. Probably electric energy from the grid charged into batteries and converted in a motor is more efficient than human food production and digestion. So the most energy efficient would probably be an electric velomobile. Or grow your own potatoes in your backyard! If we were serious about making sure human civilization will continue to exist we would launch a massive industry program to build millions of small solar cars that are good up to 50kmh for commuting and shopping. Or potentially self driving solar cars, or solar charged electric velomobiles with e-assist up to 50. It's truly ludicrous what we are doing as a civilization.
I used to commute 19 miles each way on an e-bike. I was eating a banana or similar sized snack brought from home when I got to work. I didn't change my dinner intake at all really. That I got 2 hours of exercise per day was a massive benefit you can't put a dollar figure on, because the mental and physical benefits of cycling are massive. The same commute by car wasn't appreciably faster (45m-1 hour each way with traffic), but it was a lot more frustrating. I was lucky to have the option to drive when I wasn't inspired to ride.
Calculate watt•hours when cycling. and then see how much food you would need to eat to produce that much energy. Is 100 W output fair? 1 hr is 100 Wh. 1 Wh is about 1 kcal. How mechanically efficient are humans? 25%? I just googled a random figure. so you need 4x the food of the output. so you need 400 kcal of food per hour of moderate exercise. that sounds about right for a starting point. snacks are about 10 eur per kg and have about 400 kcal per 100. so you need 1 eur of snacks per hour. Can we call that 5 eur of food per 100 km? How much electricity will 5 eur buy you? How about 2 eur? Electricity is cheaper than food for powering a vehicle. We have come to similar conclusions on the cost of fuel for riding. Interesting.
I do a 54 km commute from once in a while (a lot of home work nowadays), 108 kms a day. At the cost side add approx 1 litre of beverage (mainly water with salt and sugar, very cheap), 0,6 kwh of electricity (E-WAW) and an extra sandwich. I also get paid 21 Eurocents per km, so not only am I saving on fuel (12€/100km at current price) I also get 21€/100km as a bonus from the Belgian government. This means one day of commuting by velomobile gets me 33€ of 'income' ... those will certainly pay for the extra sandwich. (of course a velomobile is not cheap an I still need a car from time to time).
I found that when I go to work by car I either eat some pastry for breakfeast at home or skip it and buy an overpriced one at work. But for cycling to work (19km one way, recumbent bike) that is not enough and skipping breakfeast not even an option. So I make my own musli and eat it with simple white youghurt. It is much better fuel and depending on what I put in it I may even save money compared to the bought pastry. So weirdly the cycling fuel still costs nothing compared to the usual meal. But that is probably a rare case.
if you pedal 100w that translates to 100joule/sec At a speed of 40km/hr that would mean about 90sec/km 90sec/km * 100joule/sec= 9000joule/km 1 joule =0.000239Kcal 9000 joules/km converts to 2.15Kcal/km
Yeah, that would make sense. And then use timer to set it to charge when the sun is high. That’s something you can’t do with electric cars with fixed batteries 😄
Most of us in the western world already eat an excess of food...in terms of food, biking to work probably wouldn't cost most people anything...it would save us money by avoiding time at the gym.
Flawed caculation since fitness studio and loss of life quality are not included in the calculation. Also taxes and repairs for the cars. But on the other hand you are slower and time is money for ao.e people. But again you spend less time in the fitness studio. And you could argue a tesla is safer when you drive slowly because crashtests for this car is 5 stars especially at low speeds. I would argue a self driving tesla ehere you have paddles inside to.do some sports while driving is the best option if money is not your primary concern, and if you buy a velobike money isn't your primary concern since you could do all this with a regular bike and rain tight cloths.
Depending on where you live, a velomobile can be a blessing or a curse. If you live in apartment complex surrounded by homeless people, you don't want one. If you live in an area like Texas where there are few bike lanes and the traffic moves between 30 and 85 miles per hour, you don't want one.
You need much more tyres than with the car which makes commuting with a velomobile pretty expensive too. And you need much more time for the ride. It makes only sense when your hobby is cycling. Because when you would do an extra hour of work in the additional cycling time, you easily could pay the other costs of a car. Commuting in a hilly terrain or a city with bad cycle paths is evil or bad wether conditions. And you need a place for storing the velomobil, which mostly costs extra money. In the city you can park a car on the side of a street. A velomobile will be damaged by idiots or gets stolen.
travveling by car is so much more expensive than just the cost of fuel, there is insurnace, taxes and wear items and then depreciation and when brakedowns happen they can be expensive, in my opinion an average drive to work in my case is about 30 euros, i need to use a car since i'm a plumber and carry a lot of tools but the car is a huge expense.
Definitely stay healthy don’t worry so much about the cost of food get great food because you’re saving money everywhere else you’re definitely being smart
Sadest thing on velos is price. Its on same scale like some small car and its simpli too much. There is simplit too small market for this kind of bike and there is no big manyfacturer of this kind of vehicle.
General problem of current world is obesity, so eating more? Hell no, you just fix your poweroutput to match your input! It has to be awesome to commute via velomobile (and even better via quattro) but with those climbs I have aroud here? I don't feel like it. Despite how much I'd love to have one, I'll stay with my open trike, as it is way more practical around here (still PITA compare to regular bike in terms of everything else but ride itself)
@@TheVelomobileChannel Well, sure. But that is the whole point. I am 95 kg heavy. Without this dayly energy loss I would probably grow so fat that I would get stuck in a door or somethin.
40 km (x2) a day, 4 days in a row commute is possible. Even with physical work during the day. Then I eat more. Like 25% ? A bit more oatmeal, sugar and sandwiches. Now I commute 30 km(×2) a day, monday, thursday and frieday. So with a break of 2 days. I don't eat that much extra any more. At first after a break of several weeks my body has to adapt first for a week or two. I take 2 extra sandwiches with me. After a week or 2 it's overkill and leave. I take my oatmeal with sugar at 5 in the morning. 30 km commute. Eat two sandwiches with peanutbutter before starting work. During work and lunch break I eat my normal 4 sandwiches with choclate butter. All high energie and fat. Lots of suger in my coffee. A few hours before end of work I eat my last 2 sandwiches (or not) if I feel hungry. Drink a lot during the day. Plane water or sometimes with limonade (sugar!) No candybars. A handfull of nuts are good and appels or bananas are even better, but I'm not a fruit gay. In total I gues about 2500 kCal a day. 3000 at the moost. That's not special. For 60 km bicycle ride (DF-XL) and work as a gardener. My weight is 87 kg and I'm 1.83 mtr high.
We have the same killer gravel in Sweden. It sucks! The companies handling snow removal have until 15th May before the gravel must be completely removed. In Stockholm there's not that much snow anymore so that means several months of that shit.
Dear saukki, I think you forget a few extra costs and benefits : - Extra shower or longer shower, or the social price of smelling of dried sweat - positive impact to health between 10 to 30 km per day, - negative impact to lifestyle and sometimes to health when you start needing to sleep more because of the effort - loss of time due to shower and changing clothes, - early wear of clothing due to more frequent change and washing - extra consumption of water and electricity due to extra clothes washing - extra carbon impact depending on the origin of the extra calories you eat - typically most protein rich snacks use cow milk derived protein concentrate which does have an impact... And finally the extra cost of cars, velomobile, electric bikes or speedbikes. In my opinion now, for small commutes under 30km i would bet speedbikes are much better than all the rest, because electricity is so efficient it makes up for all the extra calories you would need to eat with a velomobile or feed to your 1T car with oil. And if you use max e assist you can chose to not sweat in the morning and do your practice when convenient. Notwithstanding the ease of parking and hiding and commuting compared to a long 10ke welomobile...
I drive a gen1 honda insight and have watched a heap of your vids and am obsessed. I've watched the other vid about TOC, but I dont know if it is that much cheaper. The biggest ongoing cost appears to be tires. Im in NZ, we dont have bike-lanes and generally everyone is out to kill cyclists. I am also scared about the visibility (being invisible) on round-abouts.
I have a similar commute but it's not surfaced all the way... and often not plowed by the time I hit the road. Regardless, I've thought about investing in a recumbent - most likely with enough assist to tough it out through the snow (or mud) - even if it would double the length of time spent commuting. Unless...
Congratulations I’m very impressed with your frugality you’re doing a great job in the states we cannot ride these volts these type vehicles on the freeway and I don’t know there’s a lot of other roads we can’t use them so you’re lucky you’re fortunate you can use it there be safe because you’re right you got a lay on your horn leave your lights on so everybody can see ya you’re doing a great job I’m glad you can save money I wish I could I’m looking at stuff here to see if I can even just go on the back surface streets to the grocery store I’m gonna figure it out
It looks like that in your eyes because of your own imagination. There is a meme that shows how types of people look at a velomobile i.postimg.cc/XJDbT1Cw/Velonaut-meme.jpg The meme is actually made by Saukki
Well Velomobiles consume about about 5-6 Wh/mi, and the mechanical efficiency of walking is something like 20%. So it's something like 25 Wh/mi. You ride about 31 miles per day, so all-in all, it's something like 650 calories burned for your commute.
It’s about 99% power drop during winter. December is usually the worst month with almost no power output at all. If there’s lot of snow on top of the panels during the winter, then there will be no power output for quite long time. Although the snow will drop off from the panels quite fast when the sun starts to warm them up in the late winter/early spring.
@@TheVelomobileChannel wow I didnt think it would be that much of a loss...thought you were going to say you lose half of it..I was thinking about having some installed but I dont want something absolutely useless in the winter.
@@rogerrabbit7469 Saukki is in northern Finland, so the winters are extra dark and snowy. If you live in the US or southern europe it would be very different.
Also consider environmental price. Animal foods have large environmental cost, so it might be even cheaper for nature to ride a car if your additional calories for pedaling come from cow products!
Velomobile are a 3 in 1, you transport yourself ecologically, you make sport/ take care of yourself, and save time that you'd have to spend in a gym after work if using a car instead. Spending an extra 50$/month in healthy food (to get in shape) is nothing if compare to a car's monthly fuel, a monthly gym subscription and all hours spent there to get in shape.
I think the Velomobile is the cheapest chance to get from A to B. Even shoes would be more expensive compared to a VM. I use my solar panels in Hungary, where we very often have sunny weather. Then I don't have to pay for electricity. And yes, you are right. You need a little bit more food during a ride. Especially Carbohydrates like Bananas or other fruits. But you forgot to mention components you will have to buy new after xxxxx KM. Esp. tires, tubes and after maybe 50000 KM you need a new chain, chainring and brakes.
You are right. But this video was only about the ”fuel” price. Those other things i’ve discussed in this total cost of ownership video here: ruclips.net/video/dWDxErE_S34/видео.html
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I stopped bicycle commuting for a few years and got fat. I went back to bicycle commuting and lost most of the weight. I'm still 4 KG over what I would like to be. I think bicycle commuting means I eat the amount I want to eat but don't get fat, so the fuel side of it is basically free.
I put a spreadsheet together, comparing my Dodge Magnum (6.4L Hemi) and my trike, for a year, of operation. Basically I can run my trike for 7.1 years, for the same cost as my insurance premiums on the Dodge, for one year. To say nothing of how much healthier it is. Only problem is on range day, there is no way to haul my firearms and gear, with the trike.
Haha basically the only reason I also need my own car lol, can't get to a range without one and begging others to come with you (and provide the car) is a hassle : /
@@EmilFihlman When I'm feeling ambitious, I just put my B.O.B. trailer on and stick the long guns and range bags in there. It is downhill and about 1 1/4 hours to the range. The climb back is killer though and takes about 3+ hours, as there is a 18% grade on the way back.
So not only is the trike cheaper than your car insurance, but it likely saves money on health insurance. 😂
@@DestructoPop Not sure if it has been riding and other physically active stuff, all of my life. Most folks peg my age, as being in my mid 30s. I'll admit to being over 70. Could be all the exercise, my bet is it is something in my genes.
Man I don't know you at all but I know we could be best friends. 😂
Commute my ass, I have been retired over 15 years and ride my WAW, which I bought about 5 years ago used for $5,000 USD with less than 500 miles on it, and would rather ride my velomobile 20 hours in a day than drive a car for 20 minutes. I love the velomobile so much I have ridden my NoCom once in almost 5 years. Do not buy a velomobile if you are an introvert or just don't like to talk, especially if you live in the USA, because everyone wants to ask you questions and take pictures. My upright cycling buddies get jealous because no ones wants to talk to them! Keep spreading the word Saukki. My next velomobile will be a Quattrovelo.
I commute for 19 km/day, last month 170 km driven. Bike-incentive payed by my work is 25€cent/km. So i've earned almost 45€ last month. My car consumes 7,5 l/100 km. So it's also 24€ less fuell consumption. Or: in one month at least 70€ in savings. My Velomobile was 2nd hand, so in 4.4 years i've earned my Velomobile back.
Sir, I have been cycling i guess now for 2 years start of the pandemic, before I would take metro everywhere. Now I kinda like it. I know my city more and the other cities a lot more. Like a lot more. I know every alley, side street, road, how it interconnects, I never had this amount of street knowledge. If you have the patience, I say do it.
you are supposed to slow down when there is a crosswalk hahahaha.. that driver must be in-shock hahahaha.. drive safely
i just bought e-assist for my velomobile so i can see my family more often that lives 300 km away. but for daily use i dont need assist. and yes the e-assist cost some money but if i can make longer trips in shorter time it will pay itself back. and hopefully the battery's will hold 300 km but i will find that out next week.
Preaching to the choir my man. Ride my trike everyday, everywhere.
My pick up truck is now dying from lack of use. And still I pay. Insurance, registration, inspection, maintenance, gas. Literally paying for something I CHOOSE not to use. So because it's a choice, I guess it's a real part of the cost of cycling.
On the other hand, after one year+ using my GS Magnum to accumulate 3000+ miles- I've bought 3 tires and a shifter cable.
I get 10 miles to the banana! So my cost goes down daily. 😋😋😋
There is also the cost of going to the dentist more often because of all the dust, gravel, bugs, and inattentive vehicles you have to chew on... Maybe you should paint fierce, reflective teeth on the front of Voyager...? Really big, sharp, bloody ones so the drivers will get the idea...? Add a couple of small diameter pipes with scorch marks around them to simulate weapons ports? And a large reticle sight right in front of your wind screen, and silhouettes of small vehicles and stick figures on the sides of the nose...
Sorry... I got carried away...
Love the video as always!
Is 'quark' some sort of probiotic yoghurt or yoghurt substitute with fruit in it? I usually have mine with granola or muesli tossed in for texture. Reminds me of chewing on gravel, but tastes much better!
Yeah, it’s kind of yoghurt but different 😄
Its so much cheaper commuting by bike or velomobile I really want a velomobile someday. Ive been commuting by bike for years and dont even own a car and yes you gotta eat more since you are the engine which needs fuel and the best quality fuel you put in yourself the highest performance you get. I eat a lot of eggs and chicken and supplement with vitamins and minerals since you sweat a lot of toxins and also good things like minerals so you need to replenish often. Its a great feeling to know that in order to go get groceries or go to work I have to put in more effort to do those things while also staying fit. Priceless!
Only have to eat more if you wouldn’t do any exercise otherwise…
People who drive to work by car also eat! And often more than they need.
I haven't eaten less before I started regular cycling but I've gotten healthier and much slimmer since then. So it is not only free to cycle but also advantageous for your health to ride a velomobile instead of using a car. Taken that into account the costs of riding a velomobile are not only zero but negative compared to a car - no diets and no medicine needed.
Good point 👍 it’s true 😄
That's "gas," short for "gasoline," but yes, you do make a good point, my friend. By the way, TERRIFIC post! I LOVE your 'velo! I would LOVE to ride one of these on the Boardwalk in Rockaway Beach, New York.
There is actually an interesting page on wikipedia for this "Energy efficiency in transport".
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_efficiency_in_transport#Velomobile
It states something like 19.35 kCal / km which is more efficient per passenger meter then train.
But it curiously also states that electric bicycle is more energy efficient. Probably electric energy from the grid charged into batteries and converted in a motor is more efficient than human food production and digestion.
So the most energy efficient would probably be an electric velomobile.
Or grow your own potatoes in your backyard!
If we were serious about making sure human civilization will continue to exist we would launch a massive industry program to build millions of small solar cars that are good up to 50kmh for commuting and shopping. Or potentially self driving solar cars, or solar charged electric velomobiles with e-assist up to 50. It's truly ludicrous what we are doing as a civilization.
Are you for real? I was doing some very rough math in the comments here and ended up on 20 kcal/ km... lol
Have to be able to afford a velomobile before considering this though
try it second hand: bought my Waw Carbon for a price which was ok for my wife ;-)
I used to commute 19 miles each way on an e-bike. I was eating a banana or similar sized snack brought from home when I got to work. I didn't change my dinner intake at all really. That I got 2 hours of exercise per day was a massive benefit you can't put a dollar figure on, because the mental and physical benefits of cycling are massive. The same commute by car wasn't appreciably faster (45m-1 hour each way with traffic), but it was a lot more frustrating. I was lucky to have the option to drive when I wasn't inspired to ride.
Calculate watt•hours when cycling. and then see how much food you would need to eat to produce that much energy.
Is 100 W output fair? 1 hr is 100 Wh. 1 Wh is about 1 kcal.
How mechanically efficient are humans? 25%? I just googled a random figure. so you need 4x the food of the output.
so you need 400 kcal of food per hour of moderate exercise. that sounds about right for a starting point.
snacks are about 10 eur per kg and have about 400 kcal per 100. so you need 1 eur of snacks per hour.
Can we call that 5 eur of food per 100 km?
How much electricity will 5 eur buy you? How about 2 eur? Electricity is cheaper than food for powering a vehicle.
We have come to similar conclusions on the cost of fuel for riding. Interesting.
I do a 54 km commute from once in a while (a lot of home work nowadays), 108 kms a day. At the cost side add approx 1 litre of beverage (mainly water with salt and sugar, very cheap), 0,6 kwh of electricity (E-WAW) and an extra sandwich. I also get paid 21 Eurocents per km, so not only am I saving on fuel (12€/100km at current price) I also get 21€/100km as a bonus from the Belgian government. This means one day of commuting by velomobile gets me 33€ of 'income' ... those will certainly pay for the extra sandwich. (of course a velomobile is not cheap an I still need a car from time to time).
I found that when I go to work by car I either eat some pastry for breakfeast at home or skip it and buy an overpriced one at work. But for cycling to work (19km one way, recumbent bike) that is not enough and skipping breakfeast not even an option. So I make my own musli and eat it with simple white youghurt. It is much better fuel and depending on what I put in it I may even save money compared to the bought pastry. So weirdly the cycling fuel still costs nothing compared to the usual meal. But that is probably a rare case.
if you pedal 100w that translates to 100joule/sec
At a speed of 40km/hr that would mean about 90sec/km
90sec/km * 100joule/sec= 9000joule/km
1 joule =0.000239Kcal
9000 joules/km converts to 2.15Kcal/km
How about having 2 batteries? So the another one is in use while the another one is charged using solar power.
Yeah, that would make sense. And then use timer to set it to charge when the sun is high. That’s something you can’t do with electric cars with fixed batteries 😄
Most of us in the western world already eat an excess of food...in terms of food, biking to work probably wouldn't cost most people anything...it would save us money by avoiding time at the gym.
Flawed caculation since fitness studio and loss of life quality are not included in the calculation. Also taxes and repairs for the cars. But on the other hand you are slower and time is money for ao.e people. But again you spend less time in the fitness studio.
And you could argue a tesla is safer when you drive slowly because crashtests for this car is 5 stars especially at low speeds. I would argue a self driving tesla ehere you have paddles inside to.do some sports while driving is the best option if money is not your primary concern, and if you buy a velobike money isn't your primary concern since you could do all this with a regular bike and rain tight cloths.
Depending on where you live, a velomobile can be a blessing or a curse. If you live in apartment complex surrounded by homeless people, you don't want one. If you live in an area like Texas where there are few bike lanes and the traffic moves between 30 and 85 miles per hour, you don't want one.
You need much more tyres than with the car which makes commuting with a velomobile pretty expensive too.
And you need much more time for the ride. It makes only sense when your hobby is cycling. Because when you
would do an extra hour of work in the additional cycling time, you easily could pay the other costs of a car.
Commuting in a hilly terrain or a city with bad cycle paths is evil or bad wether conditions.
And you need a place for storing the velomobil, which mostly costs extra money. In the city you can park a car on the side of a street. A velomobile will be damaged by idiots or gets stolen.
travveling by car is so much more expensive than just the cost of fuel, there is insurnace, taxes and wear items and then depreciation and when brakedowns happen they can be expensive, in my opinion an average drive to work in my case is about 30 euros, i need to use a car since i'm a plumber and carry a lot of tools but the car is a huge expense.
Thanks Saukki! I don't have a velomobile, but I have a recumbent bicycle I can use. 👍😊
Definitely stay healthy don’t worry so much about the cost of food get great food because you’re saving money everywhere else you’re definitely being smart
They're cheap to run, but still very expensive to buy because all of them seem to be low production volume and made out of carbon fiber.
Sadest thing on velos is price. Its on same scale like some small car and its simpli too much. There is simplit too small market for this kind of bike and there is no big manyfacturer of this kind of vehicle.
Eat more but you're healthier therefore lower health costs and increased quality of life
Free of spinning lessons
Hey friend, where are you from? (I'm from Brazil)
You forgot time, it is a major factor. Time spent in a velomobile is joy vs time spent in a car is just lost time.
Get a fun car.
@@difflocktwo, should have mentioned that I was refering to daily commute. Open roads or race tracks can be fun.
General problem of current world is obesity, so eating more? Hell no, you just fix your poweroutput to match your input!
It has to be awesome to commute via velomobile (and even better via quattro) but with those climbs I have aroud here? I don't feel like it. Despite how much I'd love to have one, I'll stay with my open trike, as it is way more practical around here (still PITA compare to regular bike in terms of everything else but ride itself)
Your first sentence makes perfect sense :) Concerning velomobile in hilly area: If the weather is good, you don't need one.
You cannot outrun your input.
Thank you very much for that 😊🙏
I can commute even cheaper. Only 12 km one way, that small distance can be done with an upright bicycle.
But would your energy consumption be even smaller (= cheaper) if you would use more efficient cycle like a velomobile?
@@TheVelomobileChannel Well, sure. But that is the whole point. I am 95 kg heavy. Without this dayly energy loss I would probably grow so fat that I would get stuck in a door or somethin.
Good point 😄
@@TheVelomobileChannel If I can I will geht one anyway. Maybe a milan GT, it must be big enough to carry a well packed tennis bag. And me of course.
@Laid Back Racing is the Alpha 9 bigger?
It should be as fast as possible. I am not really a top athlete. And after a Tennis match I will struggle.
bensiini on nesteytettyä kaasua. mikäli jätät kanisterin auki, niin sopivan ajan kuluttua se on kaasuuntunut ja kanisteri on tyhjä.
Why do you call it killer-gravel? 🤣
I like that expression. 😅😁
Is it damaging your velomobile?
Because it kills tyres 😂
Kvarg = Cottage Cheese in English. I like strawberry and rhubarb flavor combo too.
I believe cottage cheese is completelly different thing 🤔
How does one lock a velomobile to prevent theft?
With a regular bike lock for example: ruclips.net/video/s3Fb5XmOvCc/видео.html
a bus ticket is $2
40 km (x2) a day, 4 days in a row commute is possible. Even with physical work during the day. Then I eat more. Like 25% ? A bit more oatmeal, sugar and sandwiches.
Now I commute 30 km(×2) a day, monday, thursday and frieday. So with a break of 2 days. I don't eat that much extra any more. At first after a break of several weeks my body has to adapt first for a week or two. I take 2 extra sandwiches with me. After a week or 2 it's overkill and leave.
I take my oatmeal with sugar at 5 in the morning. 30 km commute. Eat two sandwiches with peanutbutter before starting work. During work and lunch break I eat my normal 4 sandwiches with choclate butter. All high energie and fat. Lots of suger in my coffee. A few hours before end of work I eat my last 2 sandwiches (or not) if I feel hungry. Drink a lot during the day. Plane water or sometimes with limonade (sugar!) No candybars. A handfull of nuts are good and appels or bananas are even better, but I'm not a fruit gay. In total I gues about 2500 kCal a day. 3000 at the moost. That's not special. For 60 km bicycle ride (DF-XL) and work as a gardener. My weight is 87 kg and I'm 1.83 mtr high.
Don't have physical work but tried an 800 km work week recently... No problem ;) Was suddenly eating everything I could find though.
@@4nz-nl yeh i knoe the feeling. I used to ride long distance to. Up to 600 km in 29 hours. I eat everyting eadeble for a week. :-D
Have you tried the Finnish Kickbike? Might be interesting but much slower of course. Just for fun pretty much and short trips.
We have the same killer gravel in Sweden. It sucks! The companies handling snow removal have until 15th May before the gravel must be completely removed. In Stockholm there's not that much snow anymore so that means several months of that shit.
Dear saukki,
I think you forget a few extra costs and benefits :
- Extra shower or longer shower, or the social price of smelling of dried sweat
- positive impact to health between 10 to 30 km per day,
- negative impact to lifestyle and sometimes to health when you start needing to sleep more because of the effort
- loss of time due to shower and changing clothes,
- early wear of clothing due to more frequent change and washing
- extra consumption of water and electricity due to extra clothes washing
- extra carbon impact depending on the origin of the extra calories you eat - typically most protein rich snacks use cow milk derived protein concentrate which does have an impact...
And finally the extra cost of cars, velomobile, electric bikes or speedbikes.
In my opinion now, for small commutes under 30km i would bet speedbikes are much better than all the rest, because electricity is so efficient it makes up for all the extra calories you would need to eat with a velomobile or feed to your 1T car with oil. And if you use max e assist you can chose to not sweat in the morning and do your practice when convenient. Notwithstanding the ease of parking and hiding and commuting compared to a long 10ke welomobile...
Hi Saukki! "Gas" at an American "gas station" is short for "gasoline"... there, I had to say it. My Irish and English cousins call it "petrol".
I drive a gen1 honda insight and have watched a heap of your vids and am obsessed. I've watched the other vid about TOC, but I dont know if it is that much cheaper. The biggest ongoing cost appears to be tires. Im in NZ, we dont have bike-lanes and generally everyone is out to kill cyclists. I am also scared about the visibility (being invisible) on round-abouts.
I have a similar commute but it's not surfaced all the way... and often not plowed by the time I hit the road. Regardless, I've thought about investing in a recumbent - most likely with enough assist to tough it out through the snow (or mud) - even if it would double the length of time spent commuting. Unless...
Congratulations I’m very impressed with your frugality you’re doing a great job in the states we cannot ride these volts these type vehicles on the freeway and I don’t know there’s a lot of other roads we can’t use them so you’re lucky you’re fortunate you can use it there be safe because you’re right you got a lay on your horn leave your lights on so everybody can see ya you’re doing a great job I’m glad you can save money I wish I could I’m looking at stuff here to see if I can even just go on the back surface streets to the grocery store I’m gonna figure it out
Why does it look like a big clown shoe?
It looks like that in your eyes because of your own imagination.
There is a meme that shows how types of people look at a velomobile i.postimg.cc/XJDbT1Cw/Velonaut-meme.jpg
The meme is actually made by Saukki
In Germany one of These double bite cost 2,50 Euro. My Favourite is energy cake with oats and lot of calories per bar.
When I cycle (with my normal gravel bike) I'd say I eat about 25% more…
I eat the same amount of food when riding every day!
Well Velomobiles consume about about 5-6 Wh/mi, and the mechanical efficiency of walking is something like 20%. So it's something like 25 Wh/mi. You ride about 31 miles per day, so all-in all, it's something like 650 calories burned for your commute.
And if you're not eating pure carbs or fat, food is pretty expensive per calorie.
Out of curiosity...How much of a power drop off is it in the fall and winter using the solar panels?...40%...50%...?
It’s about 99% power drop during winter. December is usually the worst month with almost no power output at all. If there’s lot of snow on top of the panels during the winter, then there will be no power output for quite long time. Although the snow will drop off from the panels quite fast when the sun starts to warm them up in the late winter/early spring.
@@TheVelomobileChannel wow I didnt think it would be that much of a loss...thought you were going to say you lose half of it..I was thinking about having some installed but I dont want something absolutely useless in the winter.
@@rogerrabbit7469 Saukki is in northern Finland, so the winters are extra dark and snowy. If you live in the US or southern europe it would be very different.
“Ohh the dust”! 😂
Dust rolling! 😁
Also consider environmental price. Animal foods have large environmental cost, so it might be even cheaper for nature to ride a car if your additional calories for pedaling come from cow products!
See Cowspiracy movie for more info
Velomobile are a 3 in 1, you transport yourself ecologically, you make sport/ take care of yourself, and save time that you'd have to spend in a gym after work if using a car instead. Spending an extra 50$/month in healthy food (to get in shape) is nothing if compare to a car's monthly fuel, a monthly gym subscription and all hours spent there to get in shape.
I think the Velomobile is the cheapest chance to get from A to B. Even shoes would be more expensive compared to a VM. I use my solar panels in Hungary, where we very often have sunny weather. Then I don't have to pay for electricity. And yes, you are right. You need a little bit more food during a ride. Especially Carbohydrates like Bananas or other fruits. But you forgot to mention components you will have to buy new after xxxxx KM. Esp. tires, tubes and after maybe 50000 KM you need a new chain, chainring and brakes.
You are right. But this video was only about the ”fuel” price. Those other things i’ve discussed in this total cost of ownership video here: ruclips.net/video/dWDxErE_S34/видео.html