I’m sorry, but as someone who was a TF2 player and enjoyer before overwatch, the game is all but dead, so I didn’t get the whole #SAVETF2 thing. The public matchmaking I’ve entered is filled with bots, trolls, and item farmers, even when I wanted to hop back in to relive the glory days. Correct me if I’m wrong but even if Overwatch is dying, so is TF 2
@@Janon743 CtF is pretty infested, but most other modes are pretty much cleared out. Bots are still present, but it's very rarely more than 1 or 2 at a time.
I genuinely hope people don't think this game has exciting gameplay anymore. Having a fortified orisa walk forward and hold down fire isn't a very fun thing to challenge
That's what I'm saying. People seem to forget that a bad update can really sink a game. The game's stable enough as it is, I'd be happy if they only did something about the bot problem and never touched it again.
Yeah i rather deal with bots and a lack of updates than dealing with the trash OW has become, they straight up rob us players who actually payed for OW1 back in the day. I'm never spending nor give a single fuck about Blizzard for the rest of my life.
i know how overstated it is but its genuinely insane that overwatch was outlasted by a rusty, old ,rusty , dusty, pusty, game like tf2 solely because of how terrible its management was.
Watching what happening to Overwatch is like watching your friend become the most manipulative person on the planet, you gave them a bunch of second changes because they said they'll improve each time they just somehow got worse, That is Overwatch legacy.
The gaming industry is genuinely one of those industries where you can just straight up blatantly publicly lie to your audience, the stock holders, the consumers and just get away with it
@@vibrato-dv1ye It's genuinely shocking to witness a company become so pathetic and sad. This is truly a fall from grace. When overwatch first came out in 2016 it was truly something special....
They technically never sold any lies, nobody bought anything related to the pve mode. All the people who bought season passes etc bought into what the game is now. All of you who bought anything have no place to complain you were scammed.
@@deezboyeed6764 well nobody in this thread is talking about being scammed. They did lie about PvE and the only people who could either pull stocks away or sue are the stock holders. Now they do get affected the most by these lies.
@@luxlevia4687I still don't have ramatra unlocked because I have literally no motivation to play any other tank (I just wanted to try him out) and I have to win 30 fucking games AS TANK when I can't even play the tank I want to play. There's literally no winning
I know someone at work still defending this bs as hard as possible and I beleibe he's struggling to accept blizzards is a shit company. I never played overwatch and im glad I never did
It's the same with Halo, people are so desperate for it to be good again, that they'll buy into any false promises that 343 puts out. It's only when you take a step back do you realize how much these companies have lied to you.
The worst part about Activision is they always use devs that are passionate about the game to deliver the bad news knowing people will blame them, really evil work
@@EdgarFleming knowingly working for a scam company just to put food on your own table is also part of it. I dont feel bad one bit. Imagine voluntarily working for Germany in World War 2, cause "i gotta pay my bills somehow". If a developers works for a company like this, theyre selfishly enabling to make themselves money.
Devs have had more time to make games yet we still get buggy messes after multiple delays. Honestly I think the whole.industry has an issue and devs shouldn't be given the benefit of the doubt after all this time
@@EdgarFleming It's genuinely shocking to witness a company become so pathetic and sad. This is truly a fall from grace. When overwatch first came out in 2016 it was truly something special.
My head cannon of why overwatch 2 exists has always been: “What’s that game that we took huge inspiration from, to the point of being called a potential clone for a while?” “Uhhh… Team fortress 2?” “THAT’S RIGHT, I GOT IT, the reason why that game is so successful is because it’s free to play and has a 2 in its name! We’ll do the same” I genuinely believe that this is the only explanation (apart from money, of course).
@@nobodyimportant4778 because people keep buying the games no matter how shitty they are gamefreak is the best example imo. pokemon games should be amazing and giant, they have the means to do it, with Zelda as a base for the world and graphics, and all we get is sloppy mini games without any kind of difficulties. They are filthy rich but refuse by themselves to do something as massive as the licence deserve. They don't want to use pokemon potential and don't want to let other people do it either. It's been over 10 years that fangames are in every aspect better than official games... As much as i love pokemon i hope to see the licence crash abruptly because of their shit.
They can still get sued for it though cuz just because something is not illegal doesn't mean we can't get sued for it most people don't have enough money for a very good lawyer and most people who are playing a free-to-play game don't have that much money
I went from loving overwatch to awating its death. Its an abusive relationship at this point, and I'm fortunate to have avoided it ever since the blitzchung incident
After this news broke I was done. The only reason I kept playing the game was because my closest friend and I would play it together…he passed away in 2019. He was so excited for OW2 and to see it become this is heartbreaking
Ppl were clinging to a hope that its funding PVE The PVE project sacrificing OW1 and then killed it Ppl were MAD that its died for nothing. The wait is for nothing. Their 'good' game is gone for nothing Sure there is lootboxes in old game but the non lootboxes system are more aggressive in OW2 and made ppl asking lootboxes to be back. Also some features got removed for no reason although they planned it to be back in S6. Its still a lazy move
Being a "scam" and being a literal scam is two different thing. Diablo Immortal is a game that people could play. Warcraft WAS Reforged. Shadowlands DID release. Even Redfall was a product that you can play. Delivering actual fucking nothing to the people (pre)ordering your product is an incomprehesible level of scummy for a legitimate company and more like a GoFundMe scam project.
@@3takoyakis Lootboxes were way better than the dogshit system there is now. I almost always got most of the stuff I wanted from an event, you got them frequently and because you can't get duplicates, you'll always get stuff you don't have yet or credits to buy what you actually want.
@@Thormedor So if I said I was selling you an XBox Series X, took the $500, then handed you the empty case, it isn't a scam? You still got the Xbox Series X so it isn't a scam.. So what if it doesn't have any internal components that were advertised? You still got the empty shell, so you can't call it a scam..
@@thebreadbringer I remember when duplicates actually were in the lootboxes.. They were some sad times.. Worst part was that the duplicated didn't even give you the coins to buy something else.. Later they updated it to have dismal coin payouts for duplicates.. You couldn't buy a rare with the legendary duplicate's coins..
sadly most customers are children or man children and easily manipulated. In any other profession a business practice like this would've been unaceptable, but the fact that franchises like call of duty and assassin's creed still stands proves the gaming industry is okay with shit like this
Can't wait for the eventual lawsuit that will come out of this. This is just... wow. Aint no way people are gonna let this one go, not for a damn long time. A DAAAAMN long time.
The theory that 'they made it free to play as a legal defense for the inevitable class action lawsuit' dinging around the internet has some actual teeth to it in light of all this.
@@Giggi2222 Maybe, but maybe not, if it was just the store then I'd say they couldn't be sued but they made *preorders* for a product they won't deliver, false advertising at it's finest.
@@Giggi2222 You're right, I confused the watchpoint with a preorder for the game, yeah, I think it'll be hard to sue blizzard ove4 this but ut should be possible.
You know how you know this guy feels more pain than you do? he plays TF2 AND overwatch. how stressful and painful that must feel, thewhat. I feel for you man, I feel for you
@imthebiggestbird you mere mortals! My ability to deflect emotional damage is beyond your comprehension! You mereley adopted the grind. I was born in it. MOULDED by it! I didn't see the light until I already grinded my first rank V vehicle without premium, by then it was nothing to me but BLINDING!
I'd seen the situation covered by other RUclipsrs, but none of them went into the details about the current state of Overwatch 2. As someone who doesn't play it, your explanations and examples were really helpful and easy to follow. I feel like I understand the disappointment and frustration of current players much more. This goes beyond just "we didn't get a play mode we were promised."
I've been playing since 2016ish. It was loads of fun until 2019. 2020 they started working on OW2 so the game was stale but still good. OW2 coming out was like whiplash. So much balancing is busted now and the game is basically decided solely by the single tank. Ranked is broken, QP is ok but inferior, and the shop is a glorified cash grab that makes me wish for loot boxes. The only saving grace are that the custom games are still good They killed a perfectly fine game for this broken mess.
Right? The edited trailer where he removed everything that's not in the current game really nails it- OW2 is really just an update to OW1 but with a desperate monetisation system.
As someone who does play it and follows the news, this video does a horrible job at explaining the details. Easily the worst I've seen explaining the situation
It's a free game. Not much that can be done. Anyone who bought a skin did so of their own free will, they bought a skin and got exactly.what they paid for
Community: "If I have to hear one more time that you did this for the community..." Blizzard: "I did it for me. I liked it. I was good at it. It made me feel...rich."
wE ARE SO EXCITED TO SHOW YOU HOW WE DIDNT WORK and we are PROUD TO ANNOUNCE that the skins you had for free now costs 20 EACH! also we had to make a DIFFICULT CHOICE not to work ANYMORE and just wait for you guys to POSITIVELY SUPPORT THE GAME waiting us to NOT WORK on anything and yeh that's pretty much it! WE ARE SO EXCITED!
Jeff did the right thing. He wanted to make a game that Gave people what they wanted, but Actiblizz basically told him "Fuck You, Kaplan, We're making it OW1 But with more Money Spending LOL". I hope wherever Jeff Is now, He makes a game that would be what Overwatch 2 (or Overwatch in general) should've been.
Let's be real though, even though Jeff also did many shit things merely because he wanted to multiply his OWN profit, I still believe that there is still some of that old WOW dev inside him that he once was, so a stupid decision like this was too much even for him
@@Yayofangamer16 Ugh, no, Overwatch being sabotaged was entirely the higher ups fault, listening to a playerbase isn't pandering, it's work logic, and somehow people still blame social media for it, it's a really shallow nit-pick you just did and you know that.But I'll let you fester in your own delusion.
@@vDeadbolt Brainlets: But Ninte- *Gets smacked with Tears of the Kingdom.* Yeah people wanted to lump Nintendo in there, Never seen Nintendo cancel any promised modes for Smash, Splatoon or Mario Kart.
More things they removed: Being able to choose 3 different types of endorsements, medals, cards, on-fire system, player borders, lootboxes (making it impossible to get free skins now for playing and adding an in-game shop with 4 different currencies and exhorbitant prices), they created a map pool and disabled maps that we all liked for no reason, glitched out heroes and made them unable to play with even in custom games, reworked UIs and visual effects into looking worse and less of comic-like (like the nano boost old effect, it used to be blue thunder like a comic now its a generic blue cloud), reworked rank system into dogshit, can't even see your rank mid-game, they removed cards and medals because "they were toxic" but they added A SCOREBOARD that is infinitely more toxic wtf? What's the logic? removed old player records for old seasons so if you managed to be Top 500 cant even flex that, reworked rank visuals into looking uglier (most visual reworks for OW2 is literally just making it look worse) removed 1 tank , thus getting rid of tank synergies and fun combos (dive, rush) instead of reworking tanks into not being able to choose more than 1 main tank (off tank+main tank) so that they could SMARTLY get rid of double shield and making the game better... promised features that never made it into the game like: weapon inspect animations, placeable flags, hand emotes, dynamic weather, day-night cycles for IRL time... Now they deleted PVE! Overpromising and not delibering good content for 3+ years! This game is so bad so much worse than Overwatch 1 I dont care if anyone thinks its better or an "upgrade" I payed 40 bucks back in the day for Overwatch 1, THAT game was amazing, this is now dogshit! As you can see Overwatch 2 REMOVED more thing to the game than adding anything creatively new. I stopped playing any Blizzard games since the fratboy culture was exposed, but since I once liked this game, I stayed tuned with the news. There's no reason to play this garbage.
I completely agree with you. I haven't touched Overwatch since the free week where there was a time I could play it without worrying about paying for it, I had fun, but since I couldn't do it anymore I just never played Overwatch again. And I won't even touch Overwatch 2. Since they shut down OW1 completely there is no use going back to the game that was so better then its sequel because at this point, OW2 doesn't deserve to be called a fucking sequel.
@@jacksonbloodmoon3787 Underwatch: Blizzard counterattacks... P.D: I freacking hate the removing of the motherfreacking lootboxes, they said ''Oh my god, many countries are banning them cuz' they are gambling propaganda'', AND? I don't freacking care, instead of making it legal, they did it more ilegal with the ''discount'' wich is banned in Australia. I'm not paying 20$ for a sking that literally changes nothing in the game when the original game cost me 15$. They could have invented something like 'every 2 ov1 credits equals 1 ov2 coin''. And it wouldn't be that bad, but no, they decided to make credits useless. Futhermore, making the leveling system incredible stupid because my problem isn't that they got rid of it. The freacking level is right there on the profile! and what is that for? making me sad for no free loot boxes?
@@elmuffintristea4523 Yeah, pretty much. Blizzard is just so damn terrible. I just wonder how the fuck no-one fucking sued them for this kind of bullshit.
I'm not a fan of overwatch but the fact that they have NOTHING to show for the 4 years of work is just unacceptable and astounding, like what have they been doing this whole time. TF2 had a well made pve mode in 2012! How can a modern triple A company just fail completely at this.
because we are comparing 2012 valve (before steam became their ultimate cash cow and lead to the main problems) and modern blizzard, a shitty company dying and trying to take as much land to survive as possible, failing to understand that its attempts to gain more land will only kill it quicker.
If I recall bungie made halo 2 or 3 in a couple of years with much more limited tech to what we have today. Also it might not be 4 years but more, they revealed the campaign in 2019 a playable version of the first mission so at that ti e they had designs for missions and characters a,ready made or in the works so it could be 5 or more years wasted
Oh but they do have something to show for it! They still have story missions for us to play! But they won’t show us what they look like…or how many we’re getting or…how long they…and it’s not next season but the season after. Man this do be a sinking ship 🫠
@@awesomeguy9513 Halo 2 as we know it was basically made in a year but that comes with the cost of, the devs genuinely went through hell and it effected them mentally and physically and also it was only after they had to forcibly scrap most of their work up until then because it just wasn't gonna work.
Lets not forget that in Overwatch 1 the game would give you credits just for playing matches and you could generally grind out a legendary skin you liked in 2 days, and on top of that get even more credits and random skins from the lootboxes which were also dished out for just playing the game normally. I cant believe that the Overwatch 2 monetization is making me defend lootboxes but thats how bad it is honestly, all the super old skins you could grind out for free are now locked behind solid paywalls, even for OW1 players and theres nothing you could do about it : D The game removed a ton of features, called them improvements, added a scummy shop and now reintroduces these old features and tells us they are new content. I would be so pissed right now if I was seriously invested in Overwatch.
People were pissed about the Lootboxes in OW1 just because every other game did the shittiest version of lootboxes possible. Sure you could throw a fortune away buying christmas lootboxes but nobody I knew did that, everyone just played like maniacs during events to grind out the freebies from leveling up which goes to show how badly they missed with OW2 with free currency being something nobody would ever play for while people binge played OW1 during events.
In overwatch 2, you can only earn 60 credits per week for free, and each legendary costs 2,000 credits (meaning it will take you 33.3 weeks per skin). In overwatch 1, you could earn 25 credits per flex game and upto 1000 credits in a lootbox (which you could earn every 6 games, or so), with legendary skins that costs 1000-3000 credits (meaning that with extreme luck you could earn a skin in one game, but in an absolute maximum of 40/120 games, or about 4/12 hours of grinding QP). I think the main reason they got rid of lootboxes (other than the obvious cash grab) was because the UK government forced them to reveal the odds of each drop, with legendaries only having a 1/17 chance to drop (meaning the $50 pack would only guarantee you 3 skins... which is still cheaper than OW2 prices...).
tf2, a 16 year old game that plays on an even older engine manages to outlive a modern game made by a multibillion dollar company just like soldier said in expiration date: "we are going to live forever!"
This shit is exactly the reason why I stick to single player games. At least in those games there are no battle passes, no balance issues and (mostly) no stupid updates.
Deep Rock Galactic easily has the best battle pass system in the market. It's TOTALLY free, with no paid tiers, it's ALL cosmetic, and any cosmetics you don't earn, can be earned later via random drops you can find in caves in cargo crates. Also 90 percent of the community is fucking awesome and really nice. It's a positive feedback loop as opposed to OW2's negative one. In ow2, You gotta keep playing if you want the free hero, oh whoop dee doo, I got a keychain I will never use, OH SNAP LEGACY CREDITS, FAR OUT. BLESS PAPA BOBBY. Overwatch's pass doesn't feel rewarding the level up on, you can go like 20+ levels without getting anything of note, especially on the free pass. Just lame. You can knock out DRG's pass within 2 weeks easily, just doing dailies every other day and your weekly overclock stuff, which give you more gameplay mechanics to play with! Overwatch? It's gonna be a lot of NaCl to the finish. OR you can pay Bobby to skip the tiers and you don't even gotta play it!
The best part about single player games is you can still play them years later... multiplayer games require a server to run and once the company decides its not worth paying for the upkeep the server goes down, rendering the game unplayable for the rest of eternity. With single player games you can still usually play it over a decade later.
@@lasercraft32 Yes, you are right. There is one more thing. I'm a completionist, and multiplayer games are not friendly towards those hopping in late because they miss out on limited-time modes and events, and some tasks/achievements are impossible or too time consuming to attain. Single player games however, that's not the case. And it's awesome.
Ive recently stopped playing online multiplayer games and sweating. I bought a switch for zelda, mario , etc. and i haven’t had this much fun gaming in ages. So much more relaxing 😌
Literally any Indie game company would have been done with PvE years ago. This is just another reason I hate massive companies and why I am so impressed with Indie game makers.
thats exactly what i dont get. When Indie companys can make better games WHY THE FK big companys didnt hire these devs yet? Aka Riot Forge that let small indie studios use there ip.
@@FiniksLP Im a 3d Modeler , and i know people who have worked for indie games , most of them are more happier to work for an small company where your work is actually appriciated , then working for a massiv company where they expect you to crunch and atleast give them your entire life for like 5 years for min. payment . So if you are smart you dont work for them .
It’s all about motives: Indie studios want to make good games. Big companies want to make profit. Making good games is not the most efficient strategy for making profit.
Yeah I stopped playing Overwatch 1 after like season 8 or 9 cause I was getting bored. I hadn't followed it in years and when I heard "Overwatch 2 has been announced". I was curious what made it a 2 and looked into it. When I saw the 2 was just for PvE I was incredibly pessimistic as well. I had played like 3 years of Junkerstein and the Blackwatch mission, both had pretty meh PvE. I always kinda hoped Blizzard would succeed but knew they wouldn't.
Vindication is a hell of a drug. I've been a massive jerk about this game ever since I quit years ago and to my friends, despite them agreeing with my sentiments(to an extent). I was pretty peeved that people were still accepting of them bending them over and going to town when 2 was released but I knew it would collapse at one point for one reason or another and boy does it feel good to be right
This should be the #1 video with the most views regarding this OW2 debacle. It really summarizes the issues of balancing well. Had Blizzard knew how to balance characters and abilities, we would never have needed an ow2, and it would still be one of the top games ever. I'd probably be playing it every day like i did for the first 5 seasons. It's quite remarkable how developers not able to balance can ruin a multi-billion franchise.
Blizzard needs to be sued for lying to players about the PVE. They scrapped it before Overwatch 2 even came out and made players think that it was still coming. They knew that if they were honest since the start then no one will pay for anything inside their shitty game
Blizzard tried to make a cosmetic over thirty dollars in Australia and because of australian consumer laws it was illegal to where they tried to fight a lawsuit about it and lost.
The way that they could've done nothing with the game ever again like 6 years ago and it would've turned out 100 times better is mind boggling. The most Blizzard thing that could happen.
They took every bad part of League of Legends and did their best to remove any good to decent part of it. But I like how each OW2 is bs video brings new arguments to the table, Blizzard bashing is amusing and surprisingly still fresh after almost a week this time around. Good times to hate everything corporate this year. I miss 2016.
@@The_whalesactually its why they gave so little currency in the conversion to OW2. While I did not own everything and played sporadically with my friend.... I had 85% unlocks with 50k currency in the bank ready to spend. Good thing I just spent 30k of it on 10 "eh' skins before OW2, because my 21k good for 7 skins could barely afford 3 after conversion. And that currency can not be used to get anything new or the BP.
I been playing since 2016 and I will say it lost its spark , it’s still there in moments but man it’s just nothing new , and hero’s that make the game dumb ,
i have to wonder if all the scrapped stuff is just animators and devs doing what they think is cool (and it is, the scrapped maps, the inspect animation) and the suits just gathered all their passion projects and threw them in a trailer and had no intention of doing any of it
It really is pay to win. I had a match where our Junker Queen kept getting anti'd by the enemy Ana and was dying a lot. They asked for a Kiriko for the cleanse and unfortunately both me and my co-support didn't have her unlocked yet. We just barely lost that match and 100% would have won with a Kiriko. That any hero is locked at any time in a game built around counters and playing to your strengths is insane.
Personally I don't think it's a pay to win game (thankfully) because there's multiple good supports to use other than kiriko. Same with the other roles as well, I do think it's bs that you have to pay or grind just to get new characters though.
@@silasnebulous4533 I don't have every hero. I only play Genji. I have fun. Isn't that what matters? I mean, what if skins are expensive? who cares about skins? Yes, some new heroes are broken, but there are still old heroes who hadn't been nerfed and are busted as balls: Genji and Reaper being perfect examples, specially Reaper, who can two-shot anything that isn't a tank, so the whole ''new hereos bad, old hereos good' isn't completely true.
It's genuinely shocking to witness a company become so pathetic and sad. This is truly a fall from grace. When overwatch first came out in 2016 it was truly something special.
@@Forakus ok that is straight up false We can shit on the game rn and with good reason, but in 2016-2017, it was a huge success. Heck, I started playing PC games with friends because of overwatch, and I'm sure it's the same for a lot of people too.
They got lucky. People got suckerd for the story more than a game. The story was scraped before the game was dropped and the rest got crumbs from Twitter by a dude who had writing credits in KOTOR....2. When Fortnite and Apex Legends showed up, Overwatch became outdated. That's the sad truth
Remember when they showed the "legacy coins" as gold coloured coins and made you think that it is the premium currency and then apologised later when people realised it was not the premium currency that you got in the battle pass and "corrected" the colour. Lol. Pure gaslighting to the extreme
Remember: Overwatch 2 was announced just minutes after the non-apology for the Blitzchung incident. Blizzcon was announced the day after OW2's cancellation was informed. Blizzard is in damage control mode and has been for ages now.
You can go further back. Overwatch dropped a surprise free beta when Battleborn released, effectively killing it in its crib. Overwatch's entire history is nothing but damage control.
I love how the devs said they didn’t want to cater the game to hard counters. But the game has never felt more rock paper scissors than EVER before. It’s insane how much you will just lose because one team has a widow player and you don’t ggs.
Widow in OW1 has double shield in her face and if not, had peel/push tanks like Dva, Winston and WB to chase after her. Now you require a flank to go after her, which if the Widow is better will ruin them and if she is positioned near her team will be hard to get the pick. No one has the Kit or time to counter a widow anymore and it shows.
Tbh half the problem with her is the garbage map design. A lot of more recent maps have huge sightlines that you're forced to move through making it inevitable that Widow sees you. Then there's also some maps where she can do this while sitting so far back that she's unable to be dived effectively, so the match boils down to whoevers snipers die first. The devs even point this out in one of their posts saying she has a high winrate on those maps ex. Havana but haven't really done anything about it yet.
@@Keldiur Get one flanker and a dive tank, or even like a lucio together, and don't walk straight forward into a widow. Use your corners and USE TEAMWORK. That's the problem, people keep crying about widows being op but at the same time they instantly cry when you pick her because they fucking know she isn't as easy as people like to pretend she is. Now the aim assist on controller is a nightmare and does make her way too strong in hands that would never be able to do anything with her if not for aim assist. But the pc side widows aren't as op as people make them out to be. People are just fucking bad at not walking in a straight line into the middle of the road. That's not widows fault.
@@sweetillusions5495 its the exact same problem as sniper in tf2, people love to circlejerk about him when the real problem is mao design. A sniper is as powerful as the sightlines are long
It sounds like they tried to make it but they couldn't make it work, and after years of not getting anywhere they canned it. The "don't blame devs, blame the higher-ups" is often true, but that's not a rule. KSP2 also released in EA with no basic mechanics and not working after years of development, so while execs that forced the early release are the key cause for it, I can't say the devs were up to task.
I’ve never played Overwatch. I’m a loyal TF2 enjoyer at heart. When it first came out, I was worried that overwatch would kill TF2 (you can thank all my favorite TF2 RUclipsrs leaving for Overwatch at the time for playing into that [STAR_, Muselk, Shibby, and a few others]) But when it didn’t, I moved on. New TF2 RUclipsrs rose to replace the old ones. So I wished Overwatch good luck and moved on. I will admit, I did find the memes TF2 fans were making about this situation funny at first. “TF2 outlived Overwatch twice.” But beneath the laughter, I truly felt sorry for the OW community. Now that the laughter has died, I’m left with only the sadness. The OW community didn’t deserve this. No loyal fan community deserves to be treated like this. What blizzard did was neither necessary nor wanted. So while I never played OW, and likely never will. I stand with the OW community in mourning this once Great franchise.
I’m so sure that everything we have seen for the PvE and all the new little features was made just for the showcases or were scrapped immediately, I’m so sure that they never were gonna give us it, and just wanted an extra boost from the name change
After learning that they added invasion mode that is a PVP mode and hit it behind a pay wall. I’ve deleted overwatch, and I’m never playing it ever again.
This reminds me of those kickstarter scams where they show all this sick content and promises in the previews, only to rugpull all their investors and fans
I am just so worn out by the modern games industry that when Overwatch 2 was announced I was just waiting for all the controversies to happen. And I wanted this game to be good, I wanted to play the PvE campaign
For reference I actually enjoyed Genshin before the Sumeru update, there was actually a lot of things to do in the game, yeah its kinda grindy but if youre fine with that sorta thing then you'll prolly like it, the characters are engaging too (shout out to Arataki Itto the best man to ever have been created my absolute beloved) And EVEN IN GENSHIN IMPACT THE LITERAL CASINO GAME the daily quests you can do will allow you to afford 1 wish within 3 days and generally take maybe 20 minutes to complete Thats a 10 pull within 26-27 days or one garanteed 5 star in 240 days/8 months for free-to-play players ASSUMING you are ONLY using the daily rewards
I also haven't played the game in almost a year since Sumeru really ruined the magic for me, I got my boi Scaramouche and his signature kinda by accident and added him to my squad with Itto Qiqi and Razor, the only 3 characters I still find stand the test of time are Scaramouche Itto and Razor anyway so I have no desire to get anyone else Idk why I'm talking bout genshin lol, guess the new wolf warden man (I will not ever be able to pronounce his name) got me interested in the goings-ons again
sad how it all started when I was just all alone walking into a mall on a cold night after a long day studying at my school. I was tired and I was simply on my way home when suddenly I saw this amazing cinematic of what seemed to be a cool fight between a cyborg ninja and an archer being played on the display Samsung TV that is being sold at an appliance store. I stopped walking intrigued by the story. I just stood there and watch it until it reached the climax. I was in awe. and then I saw the title. Overwatch. I continued walking on my way home with a happy feeling and one thing in mind. I need to see what this overwatch is all about. and that started it all. so sad that it all went down from here.
This is so fucking sad to read… i was like that with mei’s cinematic. I liked how she was like me as a kid and felt loved and included with a diverse game. And it was fun till all of overwatch two…
@@ztarfy It's genuinely shocking to witness a company become so pathetic and sad. This is truly a fall from grace. When overwatch first came out in 2016 it was truly something special.😳
The overwatch trailers and teasers were so good, it was superfun to play when it released and I preordered the game. I quit in 202 but it still sucks that it has died out even tho I don't enjoy it anymore :/
The funny thing is, this is very similar to my experience...with Battleborn. Coming home, depressed, having nothing to do, as my friends were busy, and a pre-roll ad comes on: And it's this fast talking generic soldier man. And he's funny. Not hilarious, but it lifts my mood. So I let it continue, and it rolls into a full 5-10 minute ad, and it's got these great game modes, the Helix system making every single game different, and all these unique, interesting characters. This must be that Overwatch everyone's talking about coming out in a few months. It continues on, detailing a world with a single remaining star in danger, being protected, and the title drops. Battleborn, dropping in a month. While I feel nothing but contempt for the majority of Overwatch fans (you fuckers who knew both and made the wrong choice get what you deserve), you do make me realize that a lot of you just had the wrong commercial blasted at you, and your only crime was not doing research.
All that work and art that designers and artists spent almost half a decade working on, hard work that will never see the light of day because the corporate suits only think about short term gains and not long term austainability
@@qaztim11 Same thing happened with fortnite save the world. Was originally really promising and creative PVE content but as soon as the devs saw cash grab battlepasses and battle royales they cancelled the whole thing. Truly greed knows no bounds.
Are you, people really this dumb? They never worked on that so-called PVE mode. The entire goal was to rerelease the same game and make people pay for it again+ and introduce more expensive microtransactions.😂😂
@@illuminous7937 only reason I BOUGHT Fortnite when it came out was because H20 Delirious advertised Save The World and how it was going to become the next big thing, it was PvE and you could party up with friends to survive. It immediately became a BR title and I never even installed the game. It’s just been sitting in my library untouched, now a Free to play BR game and nothing more.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Activision only green-lit Jeff's single player Overwatch 2 idea as an excuse to sell micro-transactions in the countries that banned loot boxes.
The worst thing about Overwatch 2 is that 20% of players are hacking. I had games with 2 aimbots on enemy team and 1 on my. Once I even saw Moira with aimbot.
One of the worst parts of this is that they took down the original overwatch we can't even play that instead, and some people like me never got to experience it at all
I 100% would have still been playing OW1 if OW2 wasn't a forced update. The first game, even at the end, was so good in my eyes. Even the stunlock meta, double tank, etc. I enjoyed it.
Division 2 is a fine game what the f you talking about Games on sale constantly, you can earn points to buy half the cosmetics, season pass aint even needed lmao, Its actually stupid the potential div 2 has to earn money and they wont use it
@@daviddesrosiers1946 What the fuck are you even talking about? Even if Div 2 was P2W, or even abusive at all to it's customers (outside of it's obsession with tying it's story to battle passes), how does a PVE game (with some PVP tacked on) having subpar montization have anything to do with a shitty game that's been ripping people off for a decade lying to people about a mode?
I’m a day one division 2 player with hundreds of hours played and I’ve maybe spent 30 bucks after launch. You can barely get a single skin on overwatch 2 for that 😂
I really don't think they ever had one. The game was basically stuck at the same story point when OW1 was cancelled as it was at the start--Overwatch is getting back together, Talon is verrrry sloooowly enacting their incredibly vague evil plan. Most of the additional material that came out since was either flashbacks to a past mission or someone's origin with few surprises in it, or bits of cute character fluff. It showed all the signs of when a writer doesn't actually have a plan for how the story develops, so they just stall for time with "revelations" that don't actually mean anything because stakes haven't been established (Sombra is a double agent within Talon working for....someone, and she wants to do....something for....some reason), or vague and ominous (but ultimately empty) foreshadowing that something real big is totally gonna happen any minute now, no trust us guys!
Ima be honest, even as a tf2 player, I feel pretty bad for the people who genuinely loved the game. Yea there’s back and forth between the O2 and TF2 but even though people see them as enemies it is genuinely sad to see so much scrapped and how the community is crumbling fast, and the fans who just want to play and have fun.
What? Enemies?? Nah dude, from what I’ve hear, we (TF2) give em’ a lot of shit but I feel like it’s just us messing around with them. In the Overwatch fan-base. I heard they actually look at us as the *grandfather* of their game. Which is really wholesome honestly, on their part :)
@@andred.3687lets be frank. 80% of the audience of OW2 have no idea what TF2 is. It was that way a bit in 2016 with OW release. Perhaps there will be a resurgence now because of how Meme worthy this is becoming.
@@AnyHeroBlake Never really heard of that happening but I guess I checked the wrong places. Also my memory’s fine in case you’re wondering, thanks for your concern wise guy 😏
I'd say overwatch was designed backwards, the first game should've been exclusively PvE since not many of those allow co-up over 4 players, and being unbalanced wouldn't be a problem since it wouldn't be competitive. Then made the sequel focused on PvP so they'd only have to pay attention to balancing, even if it's so badly designed it makes league of legends look good. But now that I think about it, blizzard has been following a lot of tencent's game philosophies without the care to cover it up, no wonder it's gotten so blatantly greedy and obviously unfinished; but hey that's why I never trust publishers on news, not even for their own games lol.
It’s a joke among my friends that I paid 60 dollars for a free game (which I already owned mind you) and I just kept saying that I bought the story mode when it comes out. Now I really did just buy a free game for 60 dollars.
Whale healer mains. Game was literally balanced towards them so even complete halfwit will be able to perform decently and since they are losers without life, they won't stop paying
I've been an Overwatch fan since release, but I didn't had the chance to start playing until 2017, I think. I loved the game and everything put into it: the lore, cinematics, interactions, cosmetics and grew really fond of this game, being in my top 3 comfort games of all times. I was a Mercy main since I started playing and enjoyed it so much that it helped me through an awful depressive episode I had in middle school; I'm not saying it saved me or something, but it definitely made those years more bearable. I was hyped about Overwatch 2, I didn't really enjoyed playing PVE but I thought it would still be something fun to play with my friends, since they didn't had money to buy Overwatch nor the Xbox Gamepass, so I still was excited. Honestly, It makes me sad to see all what's happening and I don't think I'll be able to ever enjoy playing Overwatch again. I ranted a lot of nonsense. Sorry if there is any kind of gramatical / spelling error, English is not my main language. Have a good day, night or evening.
the wildest change they did is their new ranked system where every 5 games your rank actually updates, and I have never encountered anything more demoralising and motivation killing as deranking after you won your game, I'd rather see it directly after the game, if I lose I want to see how much I lost and if I win I want to see it go up or see myself rank up.
at the start of ow2, they replaced me back in gold, before i was master. i made it fast to plat but then i started to check profiles. i was playing all the times against masters and high diamonds in every rank game. while my profile still said i'm plat 3. after they deranked me again, i had enough of comp and played mostly quickplay. even there, top500 and gm were in almost every game
@@luxlevia4687 Ye i've noticed this too, you don't get to play in the rank that your profile has, you play in the rank your mmr is at, which will make it that it's just too damn hard to climb. If i'm gold i want to play golds so that if i am better than gold players, i will climb. If you're going to make us play in a certain lobby level all the time, then just give the damn rank, it's not that difficult to understand why making people play way outside their ranks all the time is demoralizing when they themselves don't get the rank they play against 24/7.
I wonder if there are the legal conditions for a lawsuit/class action. Because by fact, they manipulated their customerbase into a more predatory monetization model by literally telling (and selling) them lies.
The only scenario I could see people entering a legal suit would be with regard to Overwatch 1 being a paid experience which was completely overwritten by Overwatch 2 (which is now a “free” experience)
Loved OW 1, played OW 2 for two days and then abandoned it. I cannot tell you how much my heart aches at the thought of having lost one of my favorite multiplayer games, forever. There is no going back, not matter what I do and if I open what it is now all I see is a hell of a dumbsterfire spitting in my face and showing me a middle finger. Now, after I haven't played the game for months (this comment is half-copied from your first vid btw, but I wanna say it again anyway) and seeing this news, I am honestly thinking my decision to completely ditch the game was the only right thing to do. Still doesn't change the numb, depressing feeling of having lost something I once loved... I hate Blizzard, more than I have ever hated any other gaming company. And I play League of Legends, so you can guess how unbelievably huge my anger is.
@@Ada-Wong. right??? League has in the past been known for its bad community and balancing, but now it is one of the best multiplayers out there. Not because they got better, but because everything else got worse lol
Feel ya brother, had a blast playing OW1. It had no players but still I feel like I didn't cherish it enough and its just sad it had to die coz of this dogshit 'sequel'
@@akamered4483 exactly, only thing lacking from OW1 was players, I don't even mind the lack of content. Moreover they removed features which made it more enjoyable, iconic n unique. Imagine taking out medals and on fire features
I want to say something like “If No Man’s Sky can come back from nothing, then Overwatch has a chance.” But I honestly don’t think Blizzard is capable. I’m still gonna hope it gets better, but you won’t see me playing it before that happens.
I *was* a huge fan of Overwatch. I love the characters, the world, the story, the style, I loved all of it. I played a lot of Overwatch 1, I played it both casually and seriously, ended up diamond on consoles and platinum on PC. However I found myself hitting a large hiatus with the game, PVP just wasn't something I found remotely exciting anymore, and I deviated from playing Overwatch, but I still considered myself a fan of the game. I was so dang excited for Overwatch 2, I was there for the streams watching in awe that a game I liked, was getting a full blown PVE centered update that was akin to games I also loved. So I anxiously held out hope for the game. I finally came back into the fray sometime around Overwatch 2's first season, gradually playing the game and somewhat enjoying the experience, past all the egregious microtransactions and whatnot. Season 2 came out, and I was so excited for Rammattra, so excited I bought the battle pass and maxed it out. I started seeing glaring issues regarding the egregious battle for Olympus event, but I shrugged it off knowing that someday, I'll be able to play the PVE that would suck me back into the game. I found myself in another hiatus until season 3 would start. Frankly I'm a little hurt that I've been spoon fed lies for the past few years in anticipation for a game that would end up never existing. But now that the promise of a shiny new PVE game mode is thrown out the window, I feel like there's hardly anything tethering me to play this game anymore. It's such a shame that a game I once cared passionately about at one point is now digging its own grave.
Blizzard: *(removes a feature in Ashe's ultimate and calls it a bug)*
TF2's Righteous Bison: First time, eh?
1000 years later: removed bug where pressing left click fires a hit scan bullet
Wait huh? Seriously? What did they remove from Ashe?
what is that feature ?
@@christianwright758111:36
I miss the Bison. But you wanna know what's funny? The Righteous Bison is more viable in TF2 than almost half of the Overwatch 2 cast COMBINED
TF2 legit might outlive Overwatch
It will outlive it twice
No, not "might". it *WILL.*
I’m sorry, but as someone who was a TF2 player and enjoyer before overwatch, the game is all but dead, so I didn’t get the whole #SAVETF2 thing. The public matchmaking I’ve entered is filled with bots, trolls, and item farmers, even when I wanted to hop back in to relive the glory days. Correct me if I’m wrong but even if Overwatch is dying, so is TF 2
@@Janon743 CtF is pretty infested, but most other modes are pretty much cleared out. Bots are still present, but it's very rarely more than 1 or 2 at a time.
TF2 cheers from its hospital bed, tubes in every orifice.
Our worst fears have come true PvE costs 15 dollars for 3 missions
Yeah, and it aint even through the battlepass its a separate bundle all together
MvM but worse
Yeah, it costs 15 dollars for 3 Missions that aren't even half as good as the worst Archive Mission.
the full campaign is $200 plus the battlepass for free, wait no i meant half of the battlepass
still less than half the price of a legendary skin lol
Community: “your game was good for one thing…”
Blizzard: “high quality content? Fair mobilization? Exciting gameplay?”
Community: “… the porn.”
Noooo think of the children! Ahhhh lol 😂
I genuinely hope people don't think this game has exciting gameplay anymore. Having a fortified orisa walk forward and hold down fire isn't a very fun thing to challenge
At the this point the porn is the only good thing that came from overwatch and why overwatch will never truly die.
@@ArturoPladeado Dear lord, Overwatch is the RWBY of video games.
The fact that this is actually true is fucking hilarious 😂
“They’re going to monetize whatever skeletal remains are there of the pve” me looking at the $15 pack of 3 story missions
Can't wait to play Dylan in Overwatch 3
Legit, $20 was the first number that popped into my mind, with how egregious other games can get with their skins.
OW2 is the only game where I get disappointed when I see people buy their battle passes
Congrats on Dylan's successful transition
LMAO
6:02 "... the dynamic weather system."
Oh, yeah. I forgot about this and all the previously announced features. Holy cow.
Suddenly 6 years without an update doesn't seem like the worst thing...
That's what I'm saying. People seem to forget that a bad update can really sink a game. The game's stable enough as it is, I'd be happy if they only did something about the bot problem and never touched it again.
TF2 players: "First time?"
Can't be disappointed if they don't give you hope
Yeah i rather deal with bots and a lack of updates than dealing with the trash OW has become, they straight up rob us players who actually payed for OW1 back in the day.
I'm never spending nor give a single fuck about Blizzard for the rest of my life.
i know how overstated it is but its genuinely insane that overwatch was outlasted by a rusty, old ,rusty , dusty, pusty, game like tf2 solely because of how terrible its management was.
You know it's bad when the "34" people are more dedicated to Overwatch than Blizzard.
Overwatch is only relevant cause of the porn lmao
at least those artists know whats good
"34 people" XD
they have been since OW was announced lmao
Always has been
"I wish for Overwatch 2 to redefine what it means to be a sequel."
And the Monkey's Paw curled.
I mean, they did, but maybe not in the way he meant.
@TruFalco That’s… what a monkey’s paw is
The only part of that reference I got was that it's from the Simpsons, but I still somehow know exactly what you mean.
How interesting, the middle finger is still sticking up...
@@Montesama314FRRR
Watching what happening to Overwatch is like watching your friend become the most manipulative person on the planet, you gave them a bunch of second changes because they said they'll improve each time they just somehow got worse,
That is Overwatch legacy.
That cuts deep
you wanna talk about it?
it'll cost you $9.99 for the season pass, though.
And they both resort to pornography in order to stay relevant
Meanwhile TF2 is still vibing despite everything, lmao
Entropy claims all, except TF2 it seems haha!
As someone who's dealt with both parts of this comparison, somehow overwatch is more disappointing XD
The gaming industry is genuinely one of those industries where you can just straight up blatantly publicly lie to your audience, the stock holders, the consumers and just get away with it
I can see them somehow getting sued over this.
@@vibrato-dv1ye It's genuinely shocking to witness a company become so pathetic and sad. This is truly a fall from grace. When overwatch first came out in 2016 it was truly something special....
They technically never sold any lies, nobody bought anything related to the pve mode. All the people who bought season passes etc bought into what the game is now. All of you who bought anything have no place to complain you were scammed.
@@deezboyeed6764 well nobody in this thread is talking about being scammed. They did lie about PvE and the only people who could either pull stocks away or sue are the stock holders. Now they do get affected the most by these lies.
@@vibrato-dv1ye the stockholders are laughing to the bank, they have already made their money.
Overwatch 2 is like seeing an old friend you’ve not seen for years and discovering they’ve completely changed for the worse
Like Velma
@@dishesabadchannel7049 🤣🤣 she’s gonna be the next new hero 😮
That IS what it is tho, like, exactly what it is.
Like an abusive girlfriend for me. Patches of dopamine paired with years of getting kicked in the nuts.
@@userb1x1but you’ve never had one so how you know
They not only promised OW2 as PvE, they also promised that no hero ever will be unavailable to players or hidden in paywall.
YoU dOnT hAvE tO pAy, YoU cAn UnLocKiNg By PlAyInG tHe GaMe.... still getting angry when i saw the tweet when they announce it....
i mean no hero is technically hidden behinde a paywall but you need to do 50 games In there role after or before using them in the training ground
@@asuraofwrath win 35 games and yeah it sucks I did it with Ram and I hated it.
@@luxlevia4687I still don't have ramatra unlocked because I have literally no motivation to play any other tank (I just wanted to try him out) and I have to win 30 fucking games AS TANK when I can't even play the tank I want to play. There's literally no winning
They also promised OW1 would be F2P on launch but here we are.
this game is oversad
Nah my man, the sad has just begone
And now I'm over mad
Overbad
Overcharged but I also like Overhyped
It’s Overman
How anyone can be loyal to Blizzard after all the shit they pulled just baffles me.
I know someone at work still defending this bs as hard as possible and I beleibe he's struggling to accept blizzards is a shit company. I never played overwatch and im glad I never did
It's the same with Halo, people are so desperate for it to be good again, that they'll buy into any false promises that 343 puts out. It's only when you take a step back do you realize how much these companies have lied to you.
It's the same with r6s fans
They literally defend shitty practices
You'd be surprised
Probably all the WoW fanboys, not able to accept that they threw so much money and time at a shit company, enabling them.
The worst part about Activision is they always use devs that are passionate about the game to deliver the bad news knowing people will blame them, really evil work
Managing up is also part of being a developer too though….
@@EdgarFleming knowingly working for a scam company just to put food on your own table is also part of it.
I dont feel bad one bit. Imagine voluntarily working for Germany in World War 2, cause "i gotta pay my bills somehow". If a developers works for a company like this, theyre selfishly enabling to make themselves money.
@@EdgarFleming Don't forget who's the lead of Activision Blizzard
Devs have had more time to make games yet we still get buggy messes after multiple delays.
Honestly I think the whole.industry has an issue and devs shouldn't be given the benefit of the doubt after all this time
@@EdgarFleming It's genuinely shocking to witness a company become so pathetic and sad. This is truly a fall from grace. When overwatch first came out in 2016 it was truly something special.
My head cannon of why overwatch 2 exists has always been:
“What’s that game that we took huge inspiration from, to the point of being called a potential clone for a while?”
“Uhhh… Team fortress 2?”
“THAT’S RIGHT, I GOT IT, the reason why that game is so successful is because it’s free to play and has a 2 in its name! We’ll do the same”
I genuinely believe that this is the only explanation (apart from money, of course).
You forgot to talk about d va 34
@@klavdia.kalugina we got overwatch 2 for junkerqueen r 34
Overwatch took inspiration but it was not a clone
@@305backupa costly victory for the horny folk it was.
Mr Krab's money answer is more accurate
"They're a small indie game company" no longer applies to Riot, it's a certified Blizzard meme now
I always thought it was a gamefreak meme. Sure are a lot of filthy rich companies making awful games huh.
Hearthstone players have been saying that for years lmao
I thought that was mihoyo💀
Riot was actually a small indie company not that long ago. Blizzard and Activision have been huge for 20 years.
@@nobodyimportant4778 because people keep buying the games no matter how shitty they are
gamefreak is the best example imo.
pokemon games should be amazing and giant, they have the means to do it, with Zelda as a base for the world and graphics, and all we get is sloppy mini games without any kind of difficulties.
They are filthy rich but refuse by themselves to do something as massive as the licence deserve. They don't want to use pokemon potential and don't want to let other people do it either.
It's been over 10 years that fangames are in every aspect better than official games...
As much as i love pokemon i hope to see the licence crash abruptly because of their shit.
It sucks there is no laws against this kind of scamming and companies are free to scam players out of their money without consequences.
They can still get sued for it though cuz just because something is not illegal doesn't mean we can't get sued for it most people don't have enough money for a very good lawyer and most people who are playing a free-to-play game don't have that much money
Uhh I feel like there's pretty bad consequences
They get there money from our food friend china so it isn't like they have to care
It should be illegal companies shut fown servers if they keep getting currency from its online service for a whole year
Its a f2p game. You don't need to spend money on it.
What were they doing for 4 years?
Making the shop function perfectly.
And it still sucks lmao
Right? And it’s infuriating to see them put old skins and overprice them in the shop for unsuspecting new players.
Harassing their female employees.
_*cough cough Fallout_
Should've given it 9 years in development
I went from loving overwatch to awating its death. Its an abusive relationship at this point, and I'm fortunate to have avoided it ever since the blitzchung incident
sounds like a skill issue tbh
I mean after seeing this rug pull I kinda wanna watch the active player numbers go down.
Well, time to switch to tf2. Screw OverWatch 2.
free hong kong!
MY MAN! YES I WAIT FOR IT'S DEATH!
FUCK YOU BLIZZARD!
After this news broke I was done. The only reason I kept playing the game was because my closest friend and I would play it together…he passed away in 2019. He was so excited for OW2 and to see it become this is heartbreaking
I’m sorry man
Im so sorry about your loss, we are all here to talk
Dang bro just made me hate them more
I know this probably sounds a bit crass but I would be thankful that he didn't live long enough to see this garbage. Overwatch 2 is a fucking joke.
Thats terrible, overwatch should give you good memories about playing with him, not feel like a good memory has been tarnished, sorry for your loss
when lootboxes become the less scummy practice... you know you done f*cked up.
lootboxes were never scummy
@@kyleledeadboi6810 Agreed in the case of OWs lootboxes specifically. COD, Apex, Battlefront etc. were all predatory in some way
Was... was it not obvious from the beginning that Overwatch 2 was a huge scam? The predatory monetization alone should have convinced everyone.
Ppl were clinging to a hope that its funding PVE
The PVE project sacrificing OW1 and then killed it
Ppl were MAD that its died for nothing. The wait is for nothing. Their 'good' game is gone for nothing
Sure there is lootboxes in old game but the non lootboxes system are more aggressive in OW2 and made ppl asking lootboxes to be back. Also some features got removed for no reason although they planned it to be back in S6. Its still a lazy move
Being a "scam" and being a literal scam is two different thing.
Diablo Immortal is a game that people could play. Warcraft WAS Reforged. Shadowlands DID release.
Even Redfall was a product that you can play.
Delivering actual fucking nothing to the people (pre)ordering your product is an incomprehesible level of scummy for a legitimate company and more like a GoFundMe scam project.
@@3takoyakis Lootboxes were way better than the dogshit system there is now. I almost always got most of the stuff I wanted from an event, you got them frequently and because you can't get duplicates, you'll always get stuff you don't have yet or credits to buy what you actually want.
@@Thormedor So if I said I was selling you an XBox Series X, took the $500, then handed you the empty case, it isn't a scam? You still got the Xbox Series X so it isn't a scam.. So what if it doesn't have any internal components that were advertised? You still got the empty shell, so you can't call it a scam..
@@thebreadbringer I remember when duplicates actually were in the lootboxes.. They were some sad times.. Worst part was that the duplicated didn't even give you the coins to buy something else.. Later they updated it to have dismal coin payouts for duplicates.. You couldn't buy a rare with the legendary duplicate's coins..
Never preorder, never buy day 1, and never purchase microtransactions.
Don't be a whale, be the life giving micro organism.
Literally only one of those things is relevant to this game
@@GrammerPancreas but all three are relevant to the industry, genius
sadly most customers are children or man children and easily manipulated. In any other profession a business practice like this would've been unaceptable, but the fact that franchises like call of duty and assassin's creed still stands proves the gaming industry is okay with shit like this
i do all of those things and ive never been disappointed cuz im not an idiot lmao
Can't wait for the eventual lawsuit that will come out of this. This is just... wow. Aint no way people are gonna let this one go, not for a damn long time. A DAAAAMN long time.
Blizzard has lawyers, they would've triple checked that this can't get them sued
The theory that 'they made it free to play as a legal defense for the inevitable class action lawsuit' dinging around the internet has some actual teeth to it in light of all this.
@@Giggi2222 Maybe, but maybe not, if it was just the store then I'd say they couldn't be sued but they made *preorders* for a product they won't deliver, false advertising at it's finest.
@@agentc7020 they didn't allow pre orders
@@Giggi2222 You're right, I confused the watchpoint with a preorder for the game, yeah, I think it'll be hard to sue blizzard ove4 this but ut should be possible.
You know how you know this guy feels more pain than you do? he plays TF2 AND overwatch. how stressful and painful that must feel, thewhat. I feel for you man, I feel for you
I play TF2, BF2042, Halo Infinite, World of Tanks and War Thunder - I'm literally immune to any kind of suffering at this point lmao
@@bugbuster8598 you my friend. you need therapy
@imthebiggestbird you mere mortals! My ability to deflect emotional damage is beyond your comprehension! You mereley adopted the grind. I was born in it. MOULDED by it! I didn't see the light until I already grinded my first rank V vehicle without premium, by then it was nothing to me but BLINDING!
deserved, hes a roadhog defender
@@bugbuster8598i appreciate the bane reference
but holy shit dude-
I'd seen the situation covered by other RUclipsrs, but none of them went into the details about the current state of Overwatch 2. As someone who doesn't play it, your explanations and examples were really helpful and easy to follow. I feel like I understand the disappointment and frustration of current players much more. This goes beyond just "we didn't get a play mode we were promised."
I've been playing since 2016ish. It was loads of fun until 2019. 2020 they started working on OW2 so the game was stale but still good. OW2 coming out was like whiplash. So much balancing is busted now and the game is basically decided solely by the single tank. Ranked is broken, QP is ok but inferior, and the shop is a glorified cash grab that makes me wish for loot boxes. The only saving grace are that the custom games are still good
They killed a perfectly fine game for this broken mess.
Right? The edited trailer where he removed everything that's not in the current game really nails it- OW2 is really just an update to OW1 but with a desperate monetisation system.
As someone who does play it and follows the news, this video does a horrible job at explaining the details. Easily the worst I've seen explaining the situation
I genuinely hope they get sued for false advertising and are forced to refund every single purchase made on ow2
Highly unlikely
@@concept5631 But also highly funny if it happens
It's a free game. Not much that can be done. Anyone who bought a skin did so of their own free will, they bought a skin and got exactly.what they paid for
Not how false advertising works.
Community: "If I have to hear one more time that you did this for the community..."
Blizzard: "I did it for me. I liked it. I was good at it. It made me feel...rich."
"I was good at it" that's a bit of a stretch
@@omega4679 dude its a breaking bad reference
@@kiuka6687 I know
This is gonna be Bobby whenever he has to apologize when Blizzard eventually dies thanks to all of his bs 💀
wE ARE SO EXCITED TO SHOW YOU HOW WE DIDNT WORK and we are PROUD TO ANNOUNCE that the skins you had for free now costs 20 EACH! also we had to make a DIFFICULT CHOICE not to work ANYMORE and just wait for you guys to POSITIVELY SUPPORT THE GAME waiting us to NOT WORK on anything and yeh that's pretty much it! WE ARE SO EXCITED!
Ahahahahahaha
Spot on
We are also eager to wait on MICROSOFT money, so we don't have to work again for the rest of our lives. Thank you
Jeff leaving the team was literally the final nail in the coffin
Maybe they shouldn't have pandered to Twitter.
Worst part is that jeff knew that this disaster would be very likely to happen and also the internal problems at blizzard
Jeff did the right thing. He wanted to make a game that Gave people what they wanted, but Actiblizz basically told him "Fuck You, Kaplan, We're making it OW1 But with more Money Spending LOL".
I hope wherever Jeff Is now, He makes a game that would be what Overwatch 2 (or Overwatch in general) should've been.
Let's be real though, even though Jeff also did many shit things merely because he wanted to multiply his OWN profit, I still believe that there is still some of that old WOW dev inside him that he once was, so a stupid decision like this was too much even for him
@@Yayofangamer16 Ugh, no, Overwatch being sabotaged was entirely the higher ups fault, listening to a playerbase isn't pandering, it's work logic, and somehow people still blame social media for it, it's a really shallow nit-pick you just did and you know that.But I'll let you fester in your own delusion.
I'm just imagining all the tf2 characters laughing hysterically
I have that saved
The Holy Trinity of Scams:
EA
Blizzard
Activision
Blizzard and Activision are the same company.
It's EA
Blizzard
Ubisoft
You should add Ubisoft, but then it would be a... (one google search later)...fourfold? Eh, works for now.
Atleast EA’s games actually have PvE. Can’t say the same for blizzard
Add Valve. 😢
@@vDeadbolt Brainlets: But Ninte- *Gets smacked with Tears of the Kingdom.*
Yeah people wanted to lump Nintendo in there, Never seen Nintendo cancel any promised modes for Smash, Splatoon or Mario Kart.
Wait until Blizzard announces a P2W gacha turn-based spin-off Overwatch mobile game.
Overwatch 3
Overwatch 3? Hah, more like Overwatch Immortal
@@wingchester7980 Overwatch 0.5: Reforged
@@smpoi9776 Overwatch: watch over
Overwatch:Revelations
More things they removed:
Being able to choose 3 different types of endorsements,
medals,
cards,
on-fire system,
player borders,
lootboxes (making it impossible to get free skins now for playing and adding an in-game shop with 4 different currencies and exhorbitant prices),
they created a map pool and disabled maps that we all liked for no reason,
glitched out heroes and made them unable to play with even in custom games,
reworked UIs and visual effects into looking worse and less of comic-like (like the nano boost old effect, it used to be blue thunder like a comic now its a generic blue cloud),
reworked rank system into dogshit,
can't even see your rank mid-game,
they removed cards and medals because "they were toxic" but they added A SCOREBOARD that is infinitely more toxic wtf? What's the logic?
removed old player records for old seasons so if you managed to be Top 500 cant even flex that,
reworked rank visuals into looking uglier (most visual reworks for OW2 is literally just making it look worse)
removed 1 tank , thus getting rid of tank synergies and fun combos (dive, rush) instead of reworking tanks into not being able to choose more than 1 main tank (off tank+main tank) so that they could SMARTLY get rid of double shield and making the game better...
promised features that never made it into the game like: weapon inspect animations, placeable flags, hand emotes, dynamic weather, day-night cycles for IRL time...
Now they deleted PVE! Overpromising and not delibering good content for 3+ years!
This game is so bad so much worse than Overwatch 1 I dont care if anyone thinks its better or an "upgrade" I payed 40 bucks back in the day for Overwatch 1, THAT game was amazing, this is now dogshit!
As you can see Overwatch 2 REMOVED more thing to the game than adding anything creatively new.
I stopped playing any Blizzard games since the fratboy culture was exposed, but since I once liked this game, I stayed tuned with the news. There's no reason to play this garbage.
I completely agree with you. I haven't touched Overwatch since the free week where there was a time I could play it without worrying about paying for it, I had fun, but since I couldn't do it anymore I just never played Overwatch again. And I won't even touch Overwatch 2. Since they shut down OW1 completely there is no use going back to the game that was so better then its sequel because at this point, OW2 doesn't deserve to be called a fucking sequel.
@@jacksonbloodmoon3787 Underwatch: Blizzard counterattacks...
P.D: I freacking hate the removing of the motherfreacking lootboxes, they said ''Oh my god, many countries are banning them cuz' they are gambling propaganda'', AND? I don't freacking care, instead of making it legal, they did it more ilegal with the ''discount'' wich is banned in Australia. I'm not paying 20$ for a sking that literally changes nothing in the game when the original game cost me 15$. They could have invented something like 'every 2 ov1 credits equals 1 ov2 coin''. And it wouldn't be that bad, but no, they decided to make credits useless. Futhermore, making the leveling system incredible stupid because my problem isn't that they got rid of it. The freacking level is right there on the profile! and what is that for? making me sad for no free loot boxes?
@@elmuffintristea4523 Yeah, pretty much. Blizzard is just so damn terrible. I just wonder how the fuck no-one fucking sued them for this kind of bullshit.
Maps actually in a game, but its arcade...
Yeah, I am already out and now not coming back, unless they add some pve stuff
Honestly I hate how companies who make great games turn into greedy monsters who screw with the community for a quick buck
i don't know what is more shocking, how badly Overwatch is being handled or that it might actually die before Paladins does
Lol
Paladins is ok I won't play either tho
Oh right that game is still alive
@@Dkrule1 you know the sad part, it's also come out with more champions then overwatch has
i mean do u even play paladins as well? the game has many of its own problems which are just as bad as overwatch and tf2...
I'm not a fan of overwatch but the fact that they have NOTHING to show for the 4 years of work is just unacceptable and astounding, like what have they been doing this whole time. TF2 had a well made pve mode in 2012! How can a modern triple A company just fail completely at this.
because we are comparing 2012 valve (before steam became their ultimate cash cow and lead to the main problems) and modern blizzard, a shitty company dying and trying to take as much land to survive as possible, failing to understand that its attempts to gain more land will only kill it quicker.
If I recall bungie made halo 2 or 3 in a couple of years with much more limited tech to what we have today.
Also it might not be 4 years but more, they revealed the campaign in 2019 a playable version of the first mission so at that ti e they had designs for missions and characters a,ready made or in the works so it could be 5 or more years wasted
@@awesomeguy9513 sony made a whole god of war game in the time that overwatch 2 was in development
Oh but they do have something to show for it! They still have story missions for us to play! But they won’t show us what they look like…or how many we’re getting or…how long they…and it’s not next season but the season after. Man this do be a sinking ship 🫠
@@awesomeguy9513 Halo 2 as we know it was basically made in a year but that comes with the cost of, the devs genuinely went through hell and it effected them mentally and physically and also it was only after they had to forcibly scrap most of their work up until then because it just wasn't gonna work.
Good to see you uploading ✊
Thanks Tay!
Aw heck even the YT legend is watching OW being trashed lmao
what's Tay Zonday doing here 😭
Why are you watching this what????
The real OG's remember this guy
Blizzard Killed Overwatch to have Overwatch 2 Die 5 seconds after launch
*TF2 players laugh in the background*
Lets not forget that in Overwatch 1 the game would give you credits just for playing matches and you could generally grind out a legendary skin you liked in 2 days, and on top of that get even more credits and random skins from the lootboxes which were also dished out for just playing the game normally. I cant believe that the Overwatch 2 monetization is making me defend lootboxes but thats how bad it is honestly, all the super old skins you could grind out for free are now locked behind solid paywalls, even for OW1 players and theres nothing you could do about it : D The game removed a ton of features, called them improvements, added a scummy shop and now reintroduces these old features and tells us they are new content.
I would be so pissed right now if I was seriously invested in Overwatch.
People were pissed about the Lootboxes in OW1 just because every other game did the shittiest version of lootboxes possible. Sure you could throw a fortune away buying christmas lootboxes but nobody I knew did that, everyone just played like maniacs during events to grind out the freebies from leveling up which goes to show how badly they missed with OW2 with free currency being something nobody would ever play for while people binge played OW1 during events.
In overwatch 2, you can only earn 60 credits per week for free, and each legendary costs 2,000 credits (meaning it will take you 33.3 weeks per skin).
In overwatch 1, you could earn 25 credits per flex game and upto 1000 credits in a lootbox (which you could earn every 6 games, or so), with legendary skins that costs 1000-3000 credits (meaning that with extreme luck you could earn a skin in one game, but in an absolute maximum of 40/120 games, or about 4/12 hours of grinding QP).
I think the main reason they got rid of lootboxes (other than the obvious cash grab) was because the UK government forced them to reveal the odds of each drop, with legendaries only having a 1/17 chance to drop (meaning the $50 pack would only guarantee you 3 skins... which is still cheaper than OW2 prices...).
Overwatch : "We can't deliver that original vision of PVE that was shown in 2019..."
TF2 : *laughs in Mann Up MvM*
Ah yes, gambling.
@@walukirby gambling is way more fun then being lied to and scammed!!
@@walukirby It's not even gambling
@@akid8642 Mann Up is 100% gambling lol, random rewards by spending money
@@akid8642 It most definitely is
I don’t know about all of you guys, but I’m more hyped for dunkey’s response video than I was for pve 😂
To all the haters who have been saying this is Overwatch 0.3, you guys are stupid, you guys are wrong. It’s actually Overwatch 20 dollar skins
tf2, a 16 year old game that plays on an even older engine manages to outlive a modern game made by a multibillion dollar company
just like soldier said in expiration date: "we are going to live forever!"
This shit is exactly the reason why I stick to single player games. At least in those games there are no battle passes, no balance issues and (mostly) no stupid updates.
There's so much immaturity in multiplayer too. I've grown to have an allergic reaction to just thinking about it.
Deep Rock Galactic easily has the best battle pass system in the market. It's TOTALLY free, with no paid tiers, it's ALL cosmetic, and any cosmetics you don't earn, can be earned later via random drops you can find in caves in cargo crates. Also 90 percent of the community is fucking awesome and really nice. It's a positive feedback loop as opposed to OW2's negative one.
In ow2, You gotta keep playing if you want the free hero, oh whoop dee doo, I got a keychain I will never use, OH SNAP LEGACY CREDITS, FAR OUT. BLESS PAPA BOBBY.
Overwatch's pass doesn't feel rewarding the level up on, you can go like 20+ levels without getting anything of note, especially on the free pass. Just lame.
You can knock out DRG's pass within 2 weeks easily, just doing dailies every other day and your weekly overclock stuff, which give you more gameplay mechanics to play with!
Overwatch? It's gonna be a lot of NaCl to the finish. OR you can pay Bobby to skip the tiers and you don't even gotta play it!
The best part about single player games is you can still play them years later... multiplayer games require a server to run and once the company decides its not worth paying for the upkeep the server goes down, rendering the game unplayable for the rest of eternity. With single player games you can still usually play it over a decade later.
@@lasercraft32 Yes, you are right. There is one more thing. I'm a completionist, and multiplayer games are not friendly towards those hopping in late because they miss out on limited-time modes and events, and some tasks/achievements are impossible or too time consuming to attain. Single player games however, that's not the case. And it's awesome.
Ive recently stopped playing online multiplayer games and sweating. I bought a switch for zelda, mario , etc. and i haven’t had this much fun gaming in ages. So much more relaxing 😌
Literally any Indie game company would have been done with PvE years ago.
This is just another reason I hate massive companies and why I am so impressed with Indie game makers.
thats exactly what i dont get. When Indie companys can make better games WHY THE FK big companys didnt hire these devs yet? Aka Riot Forge that let small indie studios use there ip.
@@FiniksLP Im a 3d Modeler , and i know people who have worked for indie games , most of them are more happier to work for an small company where your work is actually appriciated , then working for a massiv company where they expect you to crunch and atleast give them your entire life for like 5 years for min. payment .
So if you are smart you dont work for them .
@@Nonpain serf mentality. helps me understand how people were ok with Lords ruling over them
ROCK AND STONE!!! Play Deep Rock Galactic.
It’s all about motives: Indie studios want to make good games. Big companies want to make profit. Making good games is not the most efficient strategy for making profit.
I knew my pessimism was justified
I was WAITING for act-blizzard to prove everyone wrong
*and I was horribly proven right*
Yeah I stopped playing Overwatch 1 after like season 8 or 9 cause I was getting bored. I hadn't followed it in years and when I heard "Overwatch 2 has been announced". I was curious what made it a 2 and looked into it. When I saw the 2 was just for PvE I was incredibly pessimistic as well. I had played like 3 years of Junkerstein and the Blackwatch mission, both had pretty meh PvE. I always kinda hoped Blizzard would succeed but knew they wouldn't.
Vindication is a hell of a drug. I've been a massive jerk about this game ever since I quit years ago and to my friends, despite them agreeing with my sentiments(to an extent). I was pretty peeved that people were still accepting of them bending them over and going to town when 2 was released but I knew it would collapse at one point for one reason or another and boy does it feel good to be right
Activision has done a really good job at digging their own grave especially lately.
This should be the #1 video with the most views regarding this OW2 debacle. It really summarizes the issues of balancing well. Had Blizzard knew how to balance characters and abilities, we would never have needed an ow2, and it would still be one of the top games ever. I'd probably be playing it every day like i did for the first 5 seasons. It's quite remarkable how developers not able to balance can ruin a multi-billion franchise.
Alec Dawson was hired as a publicity stunt and the game paid the price. Worthless company
Blizzard needs to be sued for lying to players about the PVE. They scrapped it before Overwatch 2 even came out and made players think that it was still coming. They knew that if they were honest since the start then no one will pay for anything inside their shitty game
Blizzard tried to make a cosmetic over thirty dollars in Australia and because of australian consumer laws it was illegal to where they tried to fight a lawsuit about it and lost.
@@AnOrdinaryLobster GOOD. That horrendous, unacceptable company should burn
The way that they could've done nothing with the game ever again like 6 years ago and it would've turned out 100 times better is mind boggling. The most Blizzard thing that could happen.
Wasn't a fan of tank duo dictating every match/meta/etc back in 6v6. Competitively speaking OW1 died long before the launch of OW2.
overwatch 2 sounds like one of those mobile game pump & dump schemes
They took every bad part of League of Legends and did their best to remove any good to decent part of it.
But I like how each OW2 is bs video brings new arguments to the table, Blizzard bashing is amusing and surprisingly still fresh after almost a week this time around. Good times to hate everything corporate this year.
I miss 2016.
They even made the loot box bs look less terrible atleast with being lucky you don’t have to grind for so little
@@The_whalesactually its why they gave so little currency in the conversion to OW2. While I did not own everything and played sporadically with my friend.... I had 85% unlocks with 50k currency in the bank ready to spend.
Good thing I just spent 30k of it on 10 "eh' skins before OW2, because my 21k good for 7 skins could barely afford 3 after conversion. And that currency can not be used to get anything new or the BP.
Can't we just start a private Overwatch classic server without all the bullshit?
Well they took all that away so I'm afraid we can't.
Unless they can recreate the back end (server structure) no. It would be a massive undertaking which I really do not see the passion for it yet.
I was truly in love with OW for years. The lore, teamwork, memes, merch, I loved it all. Then one day it just left and never came back. 💔
I been playing since 2016 and I will say it lost its spark , it’s still there in moments but man it’s just nothing new , and hero’s that make the game dumb ,
Honestly wish they would have made a tv show Arcane style. Would have been much better…
Same
It hurts to see a franchise fall off.
Agreed, it was fun
"Does this mean that Overwatch is back together?"
"No."
Had me dying lol
i have to wonder if all the scrapped stuff is just animators and devs doing what they think is cool (and it is, the scrapped maps, the inspect animation) and the suits just gathered all their passion projects and threw them in a trailer and had no intention of doing any of it
It really is pay to win. I had a match where our Junker Queen kept getting anti'd by the enemy Ana and was dying a lot. They asked for a Kiriko for the cleanse and unfortunately both me and my co-support didn't have her unlocked yet. We just barely lost that match and 100% would have won with a Kiriko. That any hero is locked at any time in a game built around counters and playing to your strengths is insane.
Personally I don't think it's a pay to win game (thankfully) because there's multiple good supports to use other than kiriko. Same with the other roles as well, I do think it's bs that you have to pay or grind just to get new characters though.
@@ohokeyiguess35
his point was that kiriko can do things other supports can't, specifically cleansing
I have not spent a singular penny on the game.
I have every character and I never played ow1.
I've never had this problem
@@silasnebulous4533 I don't have every hero. I only play Genji. I have fun. Isn't that what matters? I mean, what if skins are expensive? who cares about skins? Yes, some new heroes are broken, but there are still old heroes who hadn't been nerfed and are busted as balls: Genji and Reaper being perfect examples, specially Reaper, who can two-shot anything that isn't a tank, so the whole ''new hereos bad, old hereos good' isn't completely true.
@regigigas6526 bro can you read? I agree with everything you said bruh
It's genuinely shocking to witness a company become so pathetic and sad. This is truly a fall from grace. When overwatch first came out in 2016 it was truly something special.
No it wasn't, out was forced competitive moba tf2
not even a good moba at that, Battleborn had it thoroughly beat in that regard. Shame it was killed, it even had all the things OW2 promised...
Are you a bot or a real person? You've spammed this a lot.
@@Forakus ok that is straight up false
We can shit on the game rn and with good reason, but in 2016-2017, it was a huge success. Heck, I started playing PC games with friends because of overwatch, and I'm sure it's the same for a lot of people too.
They got lucky. People got suckerd for the story more than a game. The story was scraped before the game was dropped and the rest got crumbs from Twitter by a dude who had writing credits in KOTOR....2. When Fortnite and Apex Legends showed up, Overwatch became outdated. That's the sad truth
Remember when they showed the "legacy coins" as gold coloured coins and made you think that it is the premium currency and then apologised later when people realised it was not the premium currency that you got in the battle pass and "corrected" the colour. Lol. Pure gaslighting to the extreme
Remember:
Overwatch 2 was announced just minutes after the non-apology for the Blitzchung incident.
Blizzcon was announced the day after OW2's cancellation was informed.
Blizzard is in damage control mode and has been for ages now.
You can go further back.
Overwatch dropped a surprise free beta when Battleborn released, effectively killing it in its crib. Overwatch's entire history is nothing but damage control.
Honestly, I'm surprised about how much shit this community can pardon...
I love how the devs said they didn’t want to cater the game to hard counters. But the game has never felt more rock paper scissors than EVER before. It’s insane how much you will just lose because one team has a widow player and you don’t ggs.
Widow in OW1 has double shield in her face and if not, had peel/push tanks like Dva, Winston and WB to chase after her.
Now you require a flank to go after her, which if the Widow is better will ruin them and if she is positioned near her team will be hard to get the pick.
No one has the Kit or time to counter a widow anymore and it shows.
@@Keldiur damn its almost like they made a game to cater to dps....
Tbh half the problem with her is the garbage map design. A lot of more recent maps have huge sightlines that you're forced to move through making it inevitable that Widow sees you.
Then there's also some maps where she can do this while sitting so far back that she's unable to be dived effectively, so the match boils down to whoevers snipers die first. The devs even point this out in one of their posts saying she has a high winrate on those maps ex. Havana but haven't really done anything about it yet.
@@Keldiur Get one flanker and a dive tank, or even like a lucio together, and don't walk straight forward into a widow. Use your corners and USE TEAMWORK. That's the problem, people keep crying about widows being op but at the same time they instantly cry when you pick her because they fucking know she isn't as easy as people like to pretend she is. Now the aim assist on controller is a nightmare and does make her way too strong in hands that would never be able to do anything with her if not for aim assist. But the pc side widows aren't as op as people make them out to be. People are just fucking bad at not walking in a straight line into the middle of the road. That's not widows fault.
@@sweetillusions5495 its the exact same problem as sniper in tf2, people love to circlejerk about him when the real problem is mao design. A sniper is as powerful as the sightlines are long
I feel so bad for the devs who poured all the hard work on PVE just for it to be cancelled
It sounds like they tried to make it but they couldn't make it work, and after years of not getting anywhere they canned it.
The "don't blame devs, blame the higher-ups" is often true, but that's not a rule. KSP2 also released in EA with no basic mechanics and not working after years of development, so while execs that forced the early release are the key cause for it, I can't say the devs were up to task.
@@dr_birb if dev can't deliver something, it's pm who needs to fix it, move or get a new resources, oh sorry, all of them are new, why so...
I wouldn't they got paid regardless
Well, good news, cus there's no fucking way in hell that they were ever putting resources towards it.
@@TheDapperDragon there is?
"I don't even blame Keller and his Jimmy Neutron haircut" LMFAOOOOOOOOOO
I’ve never played Overwatch.
I’m a loyal TF2 enjoyer at heart. When it first came out, I was worried that overwatch would kill TF2 (you can thank all my favorite TF2 RUclipsrs leaving for Overwatch at the time for playing into that [STAR_, Muselk, Shibby, and a few others])
But when it didn’t, I moved on. New TF2 RUclipsrs rose to replace the old ones. So I wished Overwatch good luck and moved on.
I will admit, I did find the memes TF2 fans were making about this situation funny at first. “TF2 outlived Overwatch twice.”
But beneath the laughter, I truly felt sorry for the OW community. Now that the laughter has died, I’m left with only the sadness. The OW community didn’t deserve this. No loyal fan community deserves to be treated like this. What blizzard did was neither necessary nor wanted.
So while I never played OW, and likely never will. I stand with the OW community in mourning this once Great franchise.
tf2 is loooong dead anyway
@@Andir92 Not really, just reached its top player count after its summer update this year lol
@@FishSauceSamurai update you mean community update because valve don't make anything new :D because it's dead
@@Andir92 Dead means no one’s playing.
@@Kaiserboo1871 so everyone on internet is lying
I’m so sure that everything we have seen for the PvE and all the new little features was made just for the showcases or were scrapped immediately, I’m so sure that they never were gonna give us it, and just wanted an extra boost from the name change
Maybe that's why Jeff Kaplan left...
"No game no hype, those is the rules!"
After learning that they added invasion mode that is a PVP mode and hit it behind a pay wall. I’ve deleted overwatch, and I’m never playing it ever again.
This reminds me of those kickstarter scams where they show all this sick content and promises in the previews, only to rugpull all their investors and fans
Kickstarter scams actually charge people money though. OW2 was a free patch.
I just want Winston to be in a game that respects and loves him as much as I do
WE APPRECIATE HIM WE MOSTLY JUST CANT PLAY HIM AT ALL WERE ALL SO SORRY
I am just so worn out by the modern games industry that when Overwatch 2 was announced I was just waiting for all the controversies to happen. And I wanted this game to be good, I wanted to play the PvE campaign
It really just seems like money completely ruins companies for games
Money really is the root of all evil.
@@OmegaF77 i want a reuben sandwich now :(
You know a game is completely unsalvageable when the monetization is more egregious than Genshin Impact
For reference I actually enjoyed Genshin before the Sumeru update, there was actually a lot of things to do in the game, yeah its kinda grindy but if youre fine with that sorta thing then you'll prolly like it, the characters are engaging too (shout out to Arataki Itto the best man to ever have been created my absolute beloved)
And EVEN IN GENSHIN IMPACT THE LITERAL CASINO GAME the daily quests you can do will allow you to afford 1 wish within 3 days and generally take maybe 20 minutes to complete
Thats a 10 pull within 26-27 days or one garanteed 5 star in 240 days/8 months for free-to-play players ASSUMING you are ONLY using the daily rewards
I also haven't played the game in almost a year since Sumeru really ruined the magic for me, I got my boi Scaramouche and his signature kinda by accident and added him to my squad with Itto Qiqi and Razor, the only 3 characters I still find stand the test of time are Scaramouche Itto and Razor anyway so I have no desire to get anyone else
Idk why I'm talking bout genshin lol, guess the new wolf warden man (I will not ever be able to pronounce his name) got me interested in the goings-ons again
sad how it all started when I was just all alone walking into a mall on a cold night after a long day studying at my school. I was tired and I was simply on my way home when suddenly I saw this amazing cinematic of what seemed to be a cool fight between a cyborg ninja and an archer being played on the display Samsung TV that is being sold at an appliance store. I stopped walking intrigued by the story. I just stood there and watch it until it reached the climax. I was in awe. and then I saw the title. Overwatch. I continued walking on my way home with a happy feeling and one thing in mind. I need to see what this overwatch is all about. and that started it all. so sad that it all went down from here.
This is so fucking sad to read… i was like that with mei’s cinematic. I liked how she was like me as a kid and felt loved and included with a diverse game. And it was fun till all of overwatch two…
I was intrigued when Overwatch released, but I had no money and forgot lol
@@ztarfy It's genuinely shocking to witness a company become so pathetic and sad. This is truly a fall from grace. When overwatch first came out in 2016 it was truly something special.😳
The overwatch trailers and teasers were so good, it was superfun to play when it released and I preordered the game. I quit in 202 but it still sucks that it has died out even tho I don't enjoy it anymore :/
The funny thing is, this is very similar to my experience...with Battleborn.
Coming home, depressed, having nothing to do, as my friends were busy, and a pre-roll ad comes on: And it's this fast talking generic soldier man. And he's funny. Not hilarious, but it lifts my mood. So I let it continue, and it rolls into a full 5-10 minute ad, and it's got these great game modes, the Helix system making every single game different, and all these unique, interesting characters. This must be that Overwatch everyone's talking about coming out in a few months. It continues on, detailing a world with a single remaining star in danger, being protected, and the title drops. Battleborn, dropping in a month.
While I feel nothing but contempt for the majority of Overwatch fans (you fuckers who knew both and made the wrong choice get what you deserve), you do make me realize that a lot of you just had the wrong commercial blasted at you, and your only crime was not doing research.
I can't even begin to imagine how the people that worked on the PVE feel. All those years of work.
All that work and art that designers and artists spent almost half a decade working on, hard work that will never see the light of day because the corporate suits only think about short term gains and not long term austainability
@@qaztim11 Same thing happened with fortnite save the world. Was originally really promising and creative PVE content but as soon as the devs saw cash grab battlepasses and battle royales they cancelled the whole thing. Truly greed knows no bounds.
obviously not working too hard on it
Are you, people really this dumb? They never worked on that so-called PVE mode. The entire goal was to rerelease the same game and make people pay for it again+ and introduce more expensive microtransactions.😂😂
@@illuminous7937 only reason I BOUGHT Fortnite when it came out was because H20 Delirious advertised Save The World and how it was going to become the next big thing, it was PvE and you could party up with friends to survive. It immediately became a BR title and I never even installed the game. It’s just been sitting in my library untouched, now a Free to play BR game and nothing more.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Activision only green-lit Jeff's single player Overwatch 2 idea as an excuse to sell micro-transactions in the countries that banned loot boxes.
The worst thing about Overwatch 2 is that 20% of players are hacking. I had games with 2 aimbots on enemy team and 1 on my. Once I even saw Moira with aimbot.
One of the worst parts of this is that they took down the original overwatch we can't even play that instead, and some people like me never got to experience it at all
I 100% would have still been playing OW1 if OW2 wasn't a forced update. The first game, even at the end, was so good in my eyes. Even the stunlock meta, double tank, etc. I enjoyed it.
Hence the people calling it 'Overwatch Reforged', and I think they hit on a truth.
@Vortigon23 completely agree when OW1 died for this I automatically disliked this game lol
Gotta hand it to them. I haven't seen a player base soak up this much greed and sadistic abuse since The Division 2.
Division 2 is a fine game what the f you talking about
Games on sale constantly, you can earn points to buy half the cosmetics, season pass aint even needed lmao,
Its actually stupid the potential div 2 has to earn money and they wont use it
@@UncleDaniel *laughs in 21 Kiloton* I love me an Ubisoft simp.
World of tanks bro it is way worse than this
@@daviddesrosiers1946 What the fuck are you even talking about?
Even if Div 2 was P2W, or even abusive at all to it's customers (outside of it's obsession with tying it's story to battle passes), how does a PVE game (with some PVP tacked on) having subpar montization have anything to do with a shitty game that's been ripping people off for a decade lying to people about a mode?
I’m a day one division 2 player with hundreds of hours played and I’ve maybe spent 30 bucks after launch. You can barely get a single skin on overwatch 2 for that 😂
Watching the hero shooter you love get sold out and begin to wither away - for the second time
Calm down
OW3 is coming soon
They gonna use the fund for OW3
@@3takoyakis yeah right lmao
i loved overwatch, used to play it constantly since launch... its heartbreaking how they managed to mess it up THIS bad
It's been 7 years and people still waiting for the full story and lore of the setting.
Someone at Blizzard just leak the story documents you’ll be a hero
"Guys, the UN is kewl." That's the story.
I really don't think they ever had one. The game was basically stuck at the same story point when OW1 was cancelled as it was at the start--Overwatch is getting back together, Talon is verrrry sloooowly enacting their incredibly vague evil plan. Most of the additional material that came out since was either flashbacks to a past mission or someone's origin with few surprises in it, or bits of cute character fluff. It showed all the signs of when a writer doesn't actually have a plan for how the story develops, so they just stall for time with "revelations" that don't actually mean anything because stakes haven't been established (Sombra is a double agent within Talon working for....someone, and she wants to do....something for....some reason), or vague and ominous (but ultimately empty) foreshadowing that something real big is totally gonna happen any minute now, no trust us guys!
Its moments like these when I most appreciate Deep Rock Galactic's monetization model. Oh, and it's actual existing PvE.
ROCK AND STONE!!!
It's funny, DRG is probably what Overwatch PVE would be if it existed. But with the destructible terrain. And if it was good.
WE FIGHT FOR ROCK AND STONE
Ima be honest, even as a tf2 player, I feel pretty bad for the people who genuinely loved the game. Yea there’s back and forth between the O2 and TF2 but even though people see them as enemies it is genuinely sad to see so much scrapped and how the community is crumbling fast, and the fans who just want to play and have fun.
What? Enemies?? Nah dude, from what I’ve hear, we (TF2) give em’ a lot of shit but I feel like it’s just us messing around with them.
In the Overwatch fan-base. I heard they actually look at us as the *grandfather* of their game. Which is really wholesome honestly, on their part :)
@@andred.3687lets be frank. 80% of the audience of OW2 have no idea what TF2 is. It was that way a bit in 2016 with OW release. Perhaps there will be a resurgence now because of how Meme worthy this is becoming.
Blizzard just made Overwatch to highlight to us that not getting updates can be a good thing too.
@@andred.3687 There were people unironically calling TF2 the copy. I think your memory is a little skewed
@@AnyHeroBlake Never really heard of that happening but I guess I checked the wrong places. Also my memory’s fine in case you’re wondering, thanks for your concern wise guy 😏
I'd say overwatch was designed backwards, the first game should've been exclusively PvE since not many of those allow co-up over 4 players, and being unbalanced wouldn't be a problem since it wouldn't be competitive. Then made the sequel focused on PvP so they'd only have to pay attention to balancing, even if it's so badly designed it makes league of legends look good. But now that I think about it, blizzard has been following a lot of tencent's game philosophies without the care to cover it up, no wonder it's gotten so blatantly greedy and obviously unfinished; but hey that's why I never trust publishers on news, not even for their own games lol.
As a mentally deranged tf2 player, I was laughing this whole video
So true bestie
don't worry the overwach players will get more then enough psychosis from this for both fandoms to enjoy.
just like SFM / gmod that keeping TF2 together....Porn will keep OW together (i guess)
We are going to live forever!
Overwatch has essentially died twice in between tf2 updates 😂😂😂
It’s a joke among my friends that I paid 60 dollars for a free game (which I already owned mind you) and I just kept saying that I bought the story mode when it comes out.
Now I really did just buy a free game for 60 dollars.
Welcome to Fortnite.
You bought being spat in the face of and insulted, for $60, and it cost you the original too.
what baffles me the most is there are a lot of players that still plays the game and put money in it
how can people set their standards that low ? ._.
sheeple, the word you are looking for is sheeple
@@squidnudes6366 is it ?
*google it to know what it means*
...it is !!! o.o
They're not broke like you broke boi
Whale healer mains. Game was literally balanced towards them so even complete halfwit will be able to perform decently and since they are losers without life, they won't stop paying
I have been asking how low people's standards could be for years when it comes to gaming. Every year it gets lower...
I can't wait to see modded private servers of OW 1, where they add the new characters, and actually bother putting effort into balancing.
At least valve don't lie to us... Because they never say anything about tf2 maybe
Remember the "Update-sized update"?
as shit as blizzard is, valve is quite dumb too
Yeah that don't age well somehow
@@Scarifar1 glad I'm not the only one that's been waiting since the announcement 😶🌫️
@@Scarifar1 that's been modify quickly so i don't count this
They managed to make lootboxes look fair
I've been an Overwatch fan since release, but I didn't had the chance to start playing until 2017, I think. I loved the game and everything put into it: the lore, cinematics, interactions, cosmetics and grew really fond of this game, being in my top 3 comfort games of all times. I was a Mercy main since I started playing and enjoyed it so much that it helped me through an awful depressive episode I had in middle school; I'm not saying it saved me or something, but it definitely made those years more bearable. I was hyped about Overwatch 2, I didn't really enjoyed playing PVE but I thought it would still be something fun to play with my friends, since they didn't had money to buy Overwatch nor the Xbox Gamepass, so I still was excited. Honestly, It makes me sad to see all what's happening and I don't think I'll be able to ever enjoy playing Overwatch again.
I ranted a lot of nonsense. Sorry if there is any kind of gramatical / spelling error, English is not my main language. Have a good day, night or evening.
the wildest change they did is their new ranked system where every 5 games your rank actually updates, and I have never encountered anything more demoralising and motivation killing as deranking after you won your game, I'd rather see it directly after the game, if I lose I want to see how much I lost and if I win I want to see it go up or see myself rank up.
at the start of ow2, they replaced me back in gold, before i was master. i made it fast to plat but then i started to check profiles. i was playing all the times against masters and high diamonds in every rank game. while my profile still said i'm plat 3. after they deranked me again, i had enough of comp and played mostly quickplay. even there, top500 and gm were in almost every game
dont forget winnin 20 times in a row and still beeing at gold 1 for ages.
@@luxlevia4687 Ye i've noticed this too, you don't get to play in the rank that your profile has, you play in the rank your mmr is at, which will make it that it's just too damn hard to climb. If i'm gold i want to play golds so that if i am better than gold players, i will climb. If you're going to make us play in a certain lobby level all the time, then just give the damn rank, it's not that difficult to understand why making people play way outside their ranks all the time is demoralizing when they themselves don't get the rank they play against 24/7.
I wonder if there are the legal conditions for a lawsuit/class action. Because by fact, they manipulated their customerbase into a more predatory monetization model by literally telling (and selling) them lies.
Since the game is free I don't think there is a legal case.
There is absolutely not a legal case lmao
The only scenario I could see people entering a legal suit would be with regard to Overwatch 1 being a paid experience which was completely overwritten by Overwatch 2 (which is now a “free” experience)
God will judge them.
@@tbone6032 there is for the shareholders. from what ive gathered, Blizzard lied to them too and thats a straight up felony
Loved OW 1, played OW 2 for two days and then abandoned it. I cannot tell you how much my heart aches at the thought of having lost one of my favorite multiplayer games, forever. There is no going back, not matter what I do and if I open what it is now all I see is a hell of a dumbsterfire spitting in my face and showing me a middle finger.
Now, after I haven't played the game for months (this comment is half-copied from your first vid btw, but I wanna say it again anyway) and seeing this news, I am honestly thinking my decision to completely ditch the game was the only right thing to do. Still doesn't change the numb, depressing feeling of having lost something I once loved...
I hate Blizzard, more than I have ever hated any other gaming company. And I play League of Legends, so you can guess how unbelievably huge my anger is.
Lol when League beats Overwatch, didn’t think it would come to this point either but here we are.
@@Ada-Wong. right??? League has in the past been known for its bad community and balancing, but now it is one of the best multiplayers out there. Not because they got better, but because everything else got worse lol
Feel ya brother, had a blast playing OW1. It had no players but still I feel like I didn't cherish it enough and its just sad it had to die coz of this dogshit 'sequel'
@@prashsing44 just gimme the old servers back man, I just wanna play the game it was before 😭
@@akamered4483 exactly, only thing lacking from OW1 was players, I don't even mind the lack of content. Moreover they removed features which made it more enjoyable, iconic n unique. Imagine taking out medals and on fire features
I want to say something like “If No Man’s Sky can come back from nothing, then Overwatch has a chance.” But I honestly don’t think Blizzard is capable. I’m still gonna hope it gets better, but you won’t see me playing it before that happens.
I *was* a huge fan of Overwatch.
I love the characters, the world, the story, the style, I loved all of it. I played a lot of Overwatch 1, I played it both casually and seriously, ended up diamond on consoles and platinum on PC. However I found myself hitting a large hiatus with the game, PVP just wasn't something I found remotely exciting anymore, and I deviated from playing Overwatch, but I still considered myself a fan of the game.
I was so dang excited for Overwatch 2, I was there for the streams watching in awe that a game I liked, was getting a full blown PVE centered update that was akin to games I also loved. So I anxiously held out hope for the game. I finally came back into the fray sometime around Overwatch 2's first season, gradually playing the game and somewhat enjoying the experience, past all the egregious microtransactions and whatnot.
Season 2 came out, and I was so excited for Rammattra, so excited I bought the battle pass and maxed it out. I started seeing glaring issues regarding the egregious battle for Olympus event, but I shrugged it off knowing that someday, I'll be able to play the PVE that would suck me back into the game. I found myself in another hiatus until season 3 would start.
Frankly I'm a little hurt that I've been spoon fed lies for the past few years in anticipation for a game that would end up never existing. But now that the promise of a shiny new PVE game mode is thrown out the window, I feel like there's hardly anything tethering me to play this game anymore. It's such a shame that a game I once cared passionately about at one point is now digging its own grave.
Ok nerd
@@redsentry9785 Ok boomer
Have you tried Team Fortress 2?
Goddamn these replies
and yet you'll probably go crawling back to playing it