Especially when it is theorized that this version of a Batman story, Alfred Pennyworth is actually the father of Bruce Wayne. But this is Batman we're talking about here, he didn't underestimate anyone. He knew crap would hit the fan and made sure the only guy he cares about made out of of Gotham safely before whatever outcome. Did he expect Bane to match him? No.
He can lose his money, his strength, his company and watch his city be overrun by a madman but you know Batman's really in trouble when he loses Alfred.
The fact Joker set all the emotional tone of what's happening in TDKR is scary, Joker really did destroys Batman as a character inside out. The lies of Dent, Rachel's death, and the whole city and cops hated him. He is supposedly left to death.
Even the fact that Joker is not in this movie you really still feel the presence of his plan and chaos he created in the Dark Knight turning Harvey Dent into Two Face and killing him Makes Batman a suspect,killing Rachel broke Batman’s character.Even Ra’s Al Ghul plan in Batman Begins carried in Rises with his daughter Talia al Ghul having a revenge at Batman for killing her father Ra’s And Ra’s plan to destroying Gotham carried by Talia and Bane.This is how you know that Nolan’s Batman Villians are something amazing.
I never understood why the Joker was never mentioned in the movie I read it was to honor Heath Ledger but that was his most iconic role isn’t not acknowledging his existence the opposite of honoring?
TooCoolForYou Well I love Michael Caine and he was great as Alfred but he wasn't on screen that much to be able to be nominated I think but still, he was amazing. I hope Nolan's next film whatever that is, will have Michael Caine as a big supporting role so that we can enjoy more of that beautiful man working with Nolan!
Barca 97 I mean from The Dark Knight and Batman Begins, I know The Dark Knight Rises hadn't had Alfred a lot but boy oh boy did he do a hell of a job in the first 2 Batman films!
No worries mate :) my favorite is The Dark Knight of course, then Batman Begins slightly above TDKR because I really love the origin story in Batman Begins.
The academy doesn't like nominating super hero movies. Even though this trilogy is the best movie series of the 2000s with the Dark Knight being one of the best movies of the 2000s.
Benedict Cumberbatch is far superior. He even gets to be in his own movies, such as The Imitation Game and Doctor Strange. He's not just some side character.
@@bassinblue He speaks with that fake English accent in every film. He has no range whatsoever. Cumberbatch can be a posh good guy, but he can also be a posh bad guy, or even a posh dragon. He's so talented!
Man, Michael Caine portrayed Alfred as an entirely different matter. A man who had looked after the Bat from the dawn of time, who cared for Mr Wayne not only as a butler, but as a close friend. Goddamn it Michael Caine for being such a bloody good actor.
Alfred in general cares so much for Bruce and the Wayne family in general. He is practically a father to Bruce. In the comics he has always been like that. Alfred is so special to Bruce, if anything were to happen to Alfred, Bruce would never forgive himself. Alfred cares so much for Bruce and the Wayne family, that he will do anything to help them, and he always stands by them when making the right decisions. But I get what you mean, Alfred has always been like this in the comics, but I understand why you like Michael Caine. He truly represented the best Alfred so far.
Mark Rezk I hear you out. I just think that Michael Caine portrayed Alfred in a new light. You could truly experience the close bond with the Batman that Alfred had, through the actions of Michael's superior acting. Have a nice day!
+Solaxe S I know that the writers create the script. I do voluntary work for lights at theatrical productions, so I know what I'm on about. My point is, is that it is the way in which the actors act out the dialogue which gives them the credit. Michael Caine is one fine example...
This scene alone made Christian Bale and Michael Caine the best on-screen Bruce Wayne and Alfred. I dare anyone to match the emotional chemistry these two share.
"Maybe it's time we all stopped trying to outsmart the truth and let it have it's day" That's the line that gets me every time. So much of the build up to this film was based on lies, Batman and Gordon covering up Harvey's crimes, Alfred sparing Bruce's feelings.
Truth is a recurring theme in this 3rd movie. Which is why I respect Nolan so much. He feeds off of each of the movies. There's consequences for every lie or decision the characters make. This is filmmaking at it's best
Why is it okay for Alfred to be the one who determines when the truth can come out? He's leaving Bruce at such a critical time. He KNOWS Bane is dangerous, yet he leaves Bruce in his hour of need. Alfred could have stayed and made drinks and snacks for Bruce, but because he's a selfish old codger, he'd rather be off farting around in Italy.
Revelian1982 He's trying to tell Bruce not to throw his life away and move on from his pain and not let it control his life. He knows he already failed by letting waste years of his life as a shut in, but he's not going to watch him throw himself in a fight he can't win.
@@christianschmidt8476 The screenplay for Batman and Robin was the only one worse than these. The acting was okay, and the soundtrack gave me a headache. At the end of the day, it's a rather bigoted trilogy, due to there being no trans representation in any of them three movies. Unacceptable. Shame on Nolan.
"It means losing the person I've cared for ever since I heard his first cries echo through this house. But it might also mean saving your life. And that is more important." One of the most emotional and profound lines ever said in a movie. Really captures the essence of a parental figure & Michael Caine's delivery truly does it justice.
I love the ''How dare you'' line & how Bale said it. Bruce was like a drug addict heading for disaster. Christian did such an amazing job portraying Batman's psyche. In his every gaze there's pain and anger. Broken man. Yes, Dent lost Rachel & became Two Face, but Bruce not only lost her like 2 times more - because he loved her first, then he was not allowed to mourn. On top of that - this brutal truth from the letter. Horrible.
Yeah, well George Clooney had to deal with Mr. Freeze trying to freeze the entire planet, and a better version of Bane, as well as that Kill Bill bird. His pain and anger were truly felt in that wonderful performance. The script is better too, obviously. I'll never forget that famous line: "Hi Freeze. I'm Batman." Honestly, there's nothing better.
I see the Joker's handiwork in this scene. Joker kills Rachel which Bruce never gets over. Alfred burns Rachel's last words to save Bruce from more pain. In an attempt to save Bruce from confronting Bane, Alfred disarms him with the truth even if it means saving his life. Even tho he isn't mentioned in this film, you see how joker messed up the characters in this film
I agree! the joker is really the heart and soul of the nolan trilogy. His impact as a whole really messed things up during and after the the dark knight. He is a lot smarter than bane and I believe joker is the only one who really beated batman in the trilogy because of the after math of it left off after the dark knight movie.
silahc laeno of course, Joker is the heart and soul of the Batman mythology actually... He's just the perfect antagonist for the Batman character. But I don't know if he's the ONLY ONE who beat Batman in this trilogy. All the villains beat Batman in one way or another. Ra's broke Batman's will, Scarecrow broke his mind, Joker broke his spirit, Two-Face broke his hope, Bane broke his body, Talia broke his heart, hell even Catwoman broke his trust early on....
Also remember that Joe Chill broke his happiness when he pulled the trigger and fired the bullets that killed his parents and also Falcone and Maroni were indirectly responsible for Batman's birth, and what makes Nolan's trilogy a masterpiece is indeed how each of his enemies are responsible for major tragedies in his life or events that will scar him for life and as for the enemies he fought in the trilogy I would say that The Joker (not only cause he's the archenemy) is the one who got under his skin in the most personal way not only by killing Rachel but by corrupting the "honest and perfect" White Knight but because he forced Batman to take on a role that in Batman's eyes it would be best for him by sparing the truth of who the real white knight was when he was pushed to his limits.
Aldo Zanoletti absolutely. Nolan put in each film the right villains needed for all 3 stories. Not only are they responsible for tragedies in Bruce's life, but they mirror Bruce like some twisted perversion of what he could have been IF he crossed the line of an executioner. This is for me one of the most interesting elements of Batman from the source material. Him never crossing the line his villains deliberately or accidentally cross is what he uses to check himself so he doesn't end up like them. Hence why I find Batfleck firing automatic round at thugs very problematic. Coz then he's no better than his rogues, he becomes a man lost in a scramble for his own gratification... A mere bitter vigilante
Michael Otis Regarding Batfleck his performance was good but Bale's Batman for me is better cause like you and me both have said the Bale version was scarred for life thanks to a mugger who killed his parents , his mentor, a corrupt doctor, a maniacal clown, the white knight of Gotham, a maniac with a painkiller mask broke him a cat burglar betrayed him more than once until she learned to know him a business rival bankrupted him and the city's 2 most powerful crime lords were indirectly or directly responsible for giving birth to Batman and for corrupting the White Knight himself Bale's version also had to deal with the fact that his beloved woman friendzoned him in the first movie and left him permanently in the second movie and he had to find out about the truth in the third movie that she was permanetly ditching him Affleck is just an angry vigilante taking out his rage against criminals due to the death of his parents Bale had to deal with everything and man up and mourn in private that's what makes me like Bale's version the most out of all Batman actors.
hunterkiller1440 what’s a purist in this context hunter or killer ? Cmon pick a side . Hunter or killer and a purist does not watch spin offs and exclusive to Nolan huh..
The Dark Knight: "Sometimes truth isnt good enough, sometimes people deserve more. Sometimes people deserve to have their faith rewarded" The Dark Knight Rises: "Maybe its time we all stop trying to outsmart the truth and let it have its day"
@@bobbyshewan4229 Well it was set 8 years later, in the heat of the moment Alfred did what he did because he thought that it was the right thing to do. When I was younger I found out my grand parents got divorced while I was living in South America as an exchange student, no one told me until I came back I was gone for almost a year. I got mad and argued with my mom about it and her reply was "When you have a child, you'll understand that sometimes your faced with a choice to keep them ignorant and happy, or aware and sad."
The use of silence in the scene is brutal. Everytime they don't talk there is a huge, monumental and intense silence between them. Amazing acting and direction. Bale at his best in the trilogy. Michael Caine at his usual level, outstanding
elcap22 I know what you mean, in a way nothing will ever be more Batman than that, but as far as live action goes, TDK trilogy was the Batman many had been waiting for their entire lives - a sincere look at the character, his motivations, his enemies, and his world. They changed a lot to fit in with the modern era, sure - Conroy's Batman is somehow timeless and outside of any era - but live action-wise it's hard to imagine a better take on who Batman is.
this was a powerful scene, it didn't rely on cheap sad music in the background, it didn't rely on forced emotions, it relied only on tension of the events and emotional logic, this was one of the most powerful scenes in the movie, I nearly teared up
+Alex Bukher I remember the first time I saw it in the cinema I had water in the eyes. This scene really was a powerful moment. And unexpected, I don't think many anticipated Alfred ever leaving Bruce.
Jeezus. This doesn't even feel like a scene from a movie. It genuinely feels like we got an inside look at the private breakdown of a surrogate father/son relationship we had no permission to witness, with such raw emotion and intensity. Just brilliant acting.
@made4changeSo very true. No other pairing comes close on the big screen. Second best would be Michael Keaton and his Alfred. But even that is a far back second.
Jeremy Irons was terrible casting and didn't get the role at all. Casting someone 20 years older than Bruce to play Alfred means being completely idiotic.
Nolan is a genius. He includes a lot of emotional and powerful scenes in all his movies. This scene here, the scene in inception when murphy meets his dad in the dream, the scene in interstellar where MM is watching 23 years of messages are all emotional. Nolan will go down as one of the best directors ever
Why in the fuck would he say, "Who needs him now?"? Thank God you're not a screenwriter. Here's your interpretation of Gone With The Wind: "Where shall I go? What shall I do?" "Franken my ear, by dome gibber dan!"
Sorry, man. I had to reprimand one of my students yesterday, and it disappointed me, because she was doing so well. This put me in a bad mood. I apologize.
Revelian1982 Wow, you sound like a pretty shitty teacher. You not only got so pissed over a well-performing student who happened to make a mistake, but also take it out on others who make mistakes, berating them like a bitchy pretentious smart aleck.
The use of sound in this scene is great, the way they echo while talking by the stairs really shows how empty and desolate Bruce's life has become and when Alfred leaves there is really is nothing.
I agree, the tension pulls at your heart strings. It feels so real, and just reinstates the type of relationship Bruce and Alfred have. It is one of a father and son, and Bruce doesnt just yell and flip his shit, he gets quieter, which is much more natural I feel.
The fact that both of them get emotional gets me everytime. Bruce knows Alfred is right. But Alfred knows Bruce is gonna go his way. This scene hurts so much.
some fans don't give the film enough credit but this scene really shows that bruce was stuck in time still mourning the loss of rachel which is why selina plays a bigger role in this story she brought back his lost spark
@@iamsherlocked345 probably would of been painful but i feel this selina was great for this version of batman they both wanted a fresh start there relationship was built on trust issues but there similar
@@iamsherlocked345 in a way selina was stuck in time as well unable to escape her past cuz she kept doing things relating to her past its only when she saves that kid from thugs her true self comes out which is why bruce gives her the clean slate
It's amazing how Bale can show emotions just by subtle facial expressions and Michael Caine delivers the line like he really raised Bruce in real life. Brilliant actors
The Avengers is a great movie. But show me one scene in it that contains the sheer power and emotional tension that this wonderful scene evokes. And it does it without any cheap tricks. There's no sad music or over-the-top, melodramatic lines. It's simply a sad scene between two characters that we care for. This is how you make a comic book movie that truly stands out from the pack.
+Simon Stock I don't see how The Avengers really needs emotional baggage. That's not its purpose. I could easily come around and challenge you to give me one Dark Knight scene that invokes a sense of wonder and actual fun, and I can imagine it'd be a difficult task. If you truly want something Marvel-related to compare The Dark Knight trilogy to, your best shot is Daredevil. What you're doing is like comparing Guardians of the Galaxy to Batman Returns. It's just stupid and doesn't actually prove anything.
+Chandler Mathis You're actually missing my point. I'm not trying to compare the two on a stylistic level. Rather, I'm simply highlighting TDK trilogy's tendency to transcend the usual trappings of a comic book movie. They are great films, not just great comic book films, which is actually an important distinction. The Avengers is a really fun and entertaining movie, and certainly one of the better films we've seen from the genre. That's why I use it as a reference point within the genre. But, it doesn't reach much beyond top-notch genre fare. Chris Nolan's Batman trilogy does. Whether or not the Avengers should reach for more is irrelevant to the point I'm making.
Simon Stock Fair enough, though I disagree about TDK trilogy truly transcending anything. When compared to non-superhero movies, TDK becomes a pretty standard film, sans the psycho in the bat suit
Truth vs. lies is a recurring theme in almost all of Nolan's movies. Seriously, look at his oeuvre: Following, Memento, Insomnia, The Prestige, The Dark Knight, Inception. All these films involve the protagonist buying into a lie to make his world better. In The Dark Knight Rises I think Nolan finally confronts the reality that sometimes we need to accept the truth. It's like his answer to all his other films. Simple but brilliant writing.
Alfred’s line about losing “someone (Bruce) he cared for since he first heard his cries echo through the house” and when he’s apologizing in tears to Bruce’s parents at his funeral gets me every time
Cause it's the last scene Bruce and Alfred have in the series, cause in both of the other movies, it's been Alfred and Bruce centric, and for this to be the last scene between them, it would be heartbreaking.
I think we can all agree that the Trilogy itself as a whole is a pretty damn good (Comic book) trilogy and i would rank it up there with Original Star Wars Trilogy ( pretty sure it will be watched by future generations)
bassgasmask Yes, that's what I think. It's more commendable considering the amount of time between each movies. The whole thing was basically made in the span of a decade.
Bruce looks broken, so tired, worn out. Bale was superb in this role. You can actually see held-back tears in his eyes, in this scene. Christian & Michael Caine had just great chemistry together, the best Bruce Wayne & Alfred ever.
yep, better than the previous bruce and alfreds, tho from what ive seen from affleck and irons, I think they'll top this when we get a solo batman film in the dceu
I couldn't believe it when I heard people saying the Avengers was better than this back in 2012. The Avengers lacks substance and is nothing but action and boring setup. Here, the story was engaging, thought-provoking, and so emotional that I felt like crying by the end of it. It's damn near a masterpiece in my eyes and it was a great conclusion to an already great trilogy.
+Cran KaDub I agree, although Avengers was also a great movie, major props to Kiss Weedon because he did the impossible. And what did he do? He brought superheroes coexistence successfully. But yeah man, TDK trilogy is an absolute masterpiece, so is the Captain America trilogy in my opinion.
This scene is heartbreaking, for both of them. For Alfred because he refuses to lose his son, and for Bruce because he's being consumed by pain and grief 😢
*i re-enacted this scene as a cringey audition can i get some feedback, Batman fans ? I was so OBSESSED with these movies lol* ruclips.net/video/nHTiwzQJxNc/видео.html
This is racist. If Michael Caine were Indian, and you did his accent, you would already know that was racist, so what makes it different with an English accent. Bigoted filth such as yourself are in such a bubble that you can't see your white privilege even though it's staring you in the face. Why not got and piss on a homeless person and knock a guy in a wheelchair over while you're at it!?
This is probably the best acting piece in any movie superhero ever. An emotionally restraint "farewell conversation" between two men who love each other like family but with lots of conflicting feelings.
"I know what this means." "What does it mean?" "It means your hatred. And it also means losing someone that I have cared for since I first heard his cries echo through this house. But it might also mean saving your life. And that is more important." *with tears in my eyes* #SADDESTSCENE #VERYEMOTIONAL
+Andrew Hong If we also add the animated movie of Batman: Gotham Knight, booom another great movie but nothing as amazing as the real live action movies.
+Aldo Zanoletti (AZanoletti) Batman:Gotham Knight was not that good. It was a bit clunky and didn't have a good flow. Good Batman animated movies would be Under the Red Hood and Dark Knight Returns.
Mark Rezk I enjoyed gotham Knight alot but we both can agree that it's flow wasn't really good though and regarding Batman animated movies I let's also add Mask Of The Phantasm.
Scenes like these are what makes Nolan's dark knight movies the best batman films. No other batman movie captured the emotional connection between the characters better than these. They can keep rehashing the films but none will ever come close.
That delivery of "goodbye, Alfred" is enunciated so carefully to make it easily mistakable for "goodbye, old friend". I'm pretty confident this was intentional
"Maybe it's time we all stopped trying to outsmart the truth and let it have its day" man that quote aged very well. Especially for the world we live in now
That scene wasn't in the film, so you're just making it up. It's like saying it would have been awkward trying to cut The Joker down from the rope. If you're going to make things up, why not go wild and say, "Superman should have flown in from Metropolis and used his laser eyes on Bane, and the film would have ended after an hour." People like you are the reason Antifa gets a bad reputation.
@@Revelian1982 the scene wasn't displayed but it could absolutely be inferred. Sure it doesn't show the action in the scene, but by logic, that's what would happen in the story. Otherwise, other possibilities are : he walked up, then back down, or he walked up and just stayed at one spot till Alfred left. Obviously, based on common logic, the most plausible is the action that was stated by the original poster. Besides, your superman example is very exaggerated compared to the scene described by the original commenter to the point that it's just plain false analogy. Also the comment was meant as a relatable joke. No legitimate reason to include an Antifa comment. It's just unnecessary hasty generalization as well.
That had to hurt, knowing that the woman you had been waiting for your entire life, settled for someone else rather than you. It's no wonder Bruce finally decided to give up his life at this point.
Come to think of it that could make a really powerful ending to a batman film series. A final confrontation against the villain with no choice but to reveal his identity. Kind of like Arkham knight maybe?
Despite the limited screentime that he has, Michael Caine gives his most emotional performance as Alfred in the trilogy with this film. They did an excellent job of understating their drama, the queitness and of their argument and not yelling still hits you like a ton of bricks. That's true acting class there. All of the cast is terrific in this film (despite people who shat on Marion Cotillard, she did a great job as well and all of the characters have shining moments).
I understood why they went this direction. It's about giving up obsessions, moving on with life, and yeah being Batman put a toll on Bruce, but it was something Batman fans are not used to. They are used to seeing Alfred stand behind Bruce no matter what and to be honest, it did throw me off. But it's still interesting seeing this different take on the Batman mythology; I take it for what it is, a story with a beginning, middle, and end
Well im guessing, they tried to make it as real as possible. Alfred basically raised Bruce since he was a kid himself. So of course he's going to care for him. They made his approach more real. Well thought, and put together.I thought, Christopher Nolan is a genius for the Dark Knight trilogy.
Alexander Medina They also brilliantly wrote him out of the movie's conflict so that Bane wouldn't easily capture and kill him. It would have been cool if Nolan didn't cut to a shot of Bruce and Selina, ending on the reaction of Sir Michael Caine.
Thank you for saying this. This scene is so essential. A mans doubts and weaknesses are just as part of him as anything. No matter how strong Bruce and Alfred are, of COURSE they think about life outside of the cave. If not that, then what the hell else is this shit all done for? Two great actors, working off each other.
It was also very important in the movie to leave Bruce all alone, desperate and with no one he could rely on. Like the entire world is crushing onto him all at once. Leaving him in the perfect position to fall into Talia's hand.
Jeremy Irons did great as this old and tired, but still supportive of Bruce's bullshit Alfred. Andy Serkis did great as much darker as a mentor Alfred, who just started to try to balance, Bruce's life. I don't remember his name, but Burton's Alfred did great as this fully supportive Alfred. But Michael Caine... he took Alfred to level that is so high, that no actor, director or writer will never hope to achieve. His Alfred is epic in any scene he is given.
2:30 Michael Caine's portrayal of Alfred was by far the best out of any of the live action portrayals till now . Sure , he might not have been spry like the comics Alfred but he was the heart of the Trilogy and loved Bruce more than anyone or anything else . This scene and the elevator scene in Batman Begins always make me tear up . Alfred was more than just a butler to Bruce . He was Bruce's father and best friend as well . The one who always motivated Bruce to keep being a good person and to stand up and fight back no matter what .
This was a great moment for both Bale and Cain's performances. I can understand Bruce's anger towards Alfred. For one thing, Alfred had all the time in the world to tell him about Rachel's decision. Yet to tell Bruce now just as Gotham is about to come under attack by Bane was one hell of a bomb drop. Especially towards a man like Bruce who was not in the best condition at beginning of the film. That added a HUGE mental blow.
It's a blessing to have a family/Butler like Alfred, people are just so fckin fake and NPC-minded now it's sad, especially in the Divided States of cringe.
"I am using the truth, Master Wayne. Maybe it's time we all stop trying to outsmart the truth and let it have it's day."😢 Nice acting, Sir Caine. You may not look like Alfred from comic, but you really nailed the character. Perfect.
there is called adaptation and Nolan understood the characters from the comics and adapted them to his vision. Even in the comics, Alfred acts as a father to Bruce and helps him.
The older I get, the more I could care less if the characters are exactly 100% like the comic books. I remember people complaining about Batman returns penguin being a freak that lived in the sewer with black stuff coming out of his mouth. But it's honestly the coolest and most memorable version of the penguin that we've gotten that's still for the most part looked like the comic book. At the end of the day, does anyone really care about that? As long as they are mostly like the characters, I could care less if Alfred doesn't look like the skinny mustache wearing Butler. I didn't like the fact that the scarecrow was done so poorly in the Christopher Nolan movies, with only the mask itself resembling anything of the comic book character. But it's tolerable. Joker looked like joker, Two-Face looked like two-face, bane looked like bane, everyone pretty much looked like their comic book counterparts. UNLIKE stupid Patterson Batman where "riddler" was literally a gimp that look absolutely 100% nothing like the actual comic book. It was a bastardization. That I simply will not tolerate.
@@petersmithyy4556 Bruh I didn't get the Riddler thing in Reeves's Batman. He's supposed to be an arrogant puzzle 'master', not a serial killer with round glasses.
@@optimus2008 thank you for understanding lol honestly it was months later that I found out, oh that's supposed to be riddler? It's like gimme a break. Even Jim Carrey was like 🙄
Technically the quote is "Maybe it's time we all stop trying to outsmart the truth and let it have its STAY" That's the whole point of the Dark Knight. Truths and Lies. Alfred thought he was doing the right thing by burning that letter because Bruce already sacrificed so much to bring down Joker and the last thing Alfred wanted Bruce was to be hurt even more. After all, the woman he loved chose someone else.
And the fact that the next morning he still called Alfred's name..... goes to show how much he really loved him, that last little hope that Alfred was still there 🥺🥺🥺
1:30 Alfred : I'll get this to Mr. Fox, but no more. I've sewn you up, I've set your bones, but I won't bury you. I've buried enough members of the Wayne family.
@@aryanrao8854 He has nothing better to do with his life. I see people like this allllll over the internet. These are hurt, angry people lashing out at the world because there’s no consequence for their actions. This guy is a perfect example of that. Sorry to school you, I just want you to understand how people like this think.
perhaps no one ever thought anyone could make a trilogy of films of a comic hero until nolan came around, this film in particular has touched me deep like no other ever has, it's a masterpiece.
I think people tend to forget that playing batman isnt all about being in the suit. It isnt about how his voice sounds. Its the ability to play both batman and bruce wayne. Bale gets knocked for the voice which I agree did get a tad old but im not gonna sit there and say he was a bad batman cause of his voice. Thia scene perfectly ahows that bale did an amazing job at playing bruce and not just the dark knight. In the whole trillogy you can see and feel his pain so much by the time thia movie came along it truly felt like he had nothing and wanted to die just like alfred says.
I always liked Bruce’s response when he says “you expect to destroy, and then think that we’re gonna shake hands” I know it’s such a simple like but that was always something I really loved that he built up and idolized a life he could’ve had that in his mind is still real and he still holds on to but to him realizing it never would’ve existed in the first place is even more painful than that could ever be.
I swear Sir Michael Caine is literally a international treasure, his performance as Alfred is awesome inspiring, as a young lad this scene didn't captivate me over the all the action and batmaning in these films, but as I've grown up and matured my palette, realizing how deep of a performance Alfred is has really been something else.
I bet it really got to Bruce to hear that Rachel had chosen Harvey Dent instead of him. Imagine hearing that the woman you loved for the last 8 years, thinking she was going to wait for you, only to hear she had chosen someone else. Alfred must've been truly desperate to reveal the truth to Bruce, even if he ended up hating him for it, better to have him angry than to have him dead!
Quite possibly the saddest scene in cinematic history. The pain and emotional weight both of these actors are able to display is incredible. Also some of the best and most touching writing in any movie. Just brilliant all around
The one line they cut out that was in the trailer that they should have kept was: "You are as precious to me as you were to your mother & father. I swore to them that I would protect you. And I haven't."
I know I’m late as all hell, but I completely agree. I’m so sick and tired of people insulting Nolan for failing to match up to one of the best movies ever made.
3:07 watching it after so many years and this scene still brings tears to my eyes in a moment TDKR was really an emotional rollercoaster, so many nostalgic memories attached to this jewel ❤️💎
"It also means losing someone that I have cared for since I first heard his cries echo through this house." gets me every time
big mo I miss Micheal Caine 😢
big mo There would be no Bruce Wayne without Alfred Pennyworth...
That's the line that does it to me every time. I write that with tears in my eyes.
Especially when it is theorized that this version of a Batman story, Alfred Pennyworth is actually the father of Bruce Wayne. But this is Batman we're talking about here, he didn't underestimate anyone. He knew crap would hit the fan and made sure the only guy he cares about made out of of Gotham safely before whatever outcome. Did he expect Bane to match him? No.
Yup. And the way Caine delivers it....DAMN.
He can lose his money, his strength, his company and watch his city be overrun by a madman but you know Batman's really in trouble when he loses Alfred.
He never lost Alfred. Alfred lost him.
Revelian1982 lol what?
"Alfred!"
- Badman (Pete Holmes)
Like now currently. He's more vulnerable than ever without Alfred.
And yet he still came back
The Joker... Batman... Alfred... Commissioner Gordon fucking perfect performances.
No not perfect
No, this is perfect
Yes, perfect. If you don't understand anything about acting it's your fault.
Christian Bale, Michael Caine, Gary Oldman, Heath Ledger, Morgan Freeman, Liam Neeson are all amazing actors
harvey dent too
The fact Joker set all the emotional tone of what's happening in TDKR is scary, Joker really did destroys Batman as a character inside out. The lies of Dent, Rachel's death, and the whole city and cops hated him. He is supposedly left to death.
Also Joker predicted Gotham and its people descending into chaos once shit hit the fan.
Even the fact that Joker is not in this movie you really still feel the presence of his plan and chaos he created in the Dark Knight turning Harvey Dent into Two Face and killing him Makes Batman a suspect,killing Rachel broke Batman’s character.Even Ra’s Al Ghul plan in Batman Begins carried in Rises with his daughter Talia al Ghul having a revenge at Batman for killing her father Ra’s And Ra’s plan to destroying Gotham carried by Talia and Bane.This is how you know that Nolan’s Batman Villians are something amazing.
@@sakuragi1062 okey and? The movie still sucks and rachel was an annoying ©Vπ†. I mean were you sad when she died? Of course not no one was. Oh and her actress is annoying
@@garka6135 Bruh who crapped in your corn flakes?
I never understood why the Joker was never mentioned in the movie I read it was to honor Heath Ledger but that was his most iconic role isn’t not acknowledging his existence the opposite of honoring?
lmfao Alfred is showing Bane off like ESPN highlights lol
LMAO. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
"Bane's right hook sent the game to overtime"
Lol
lol!
yo I really Laughed out loud to this
heeckk naw ahhahahahaha
This movie made me feel like Batman actually exists & lives somewhere
That's the beauty of TDKT.
Angelus
and the beauty of Christopher Nolan ^^
That’s the point of the trilogy my friend. Batman is a symbol, a legend, he lives in all of us
What do you mean by actually exists??? He exists.
@@kumoora9049 anyone can be the Batman
Michael Caine, Give this man an oscar for fucks sake!
Barca 97 It should be 3 for all his films in The Dark Knight trilogy ffs!!!!!!
Oscars are really stupid sometimes.
TooCoolForYou Well I love Michael Caine and he was great as Alfred but he wasn't on screen that much to be able to be nominated I think but still, he was amazing. I hope Nolan's next film whatever that is, will have Michael Caine as a big supporting role so that we can enjoy more of that beautiful man working with Nolan!
Barca 97 I mean from The Dark Knight and Batman Begins, I know The Dark Knight Rises hadn't had Alfred a lot but boy oh boy did he do a hell of a job in the first 2 Batman films!
Barca 97 Sorry if I sounded a bit harsh I was exited lol, what's your favorite Batman film?
No worries mate :) my favorite is The Dark Knight of course, then Batman Begins slightly above TDKR because I really love the origin story in Batman Begins.
This is easily one of the most comic book inspired scenes in the trilogy. Him going to work in the Batcave without his cowl. So badass.
I agree, I always liked when he wore the suit with out the cowl on. Rare as it may be it’s just such a comic book accurate look for the Batman.
now you must love the new movie
The new movie was boring. Should’ve been an Hour.
@@cydra_infinity1423 yep
@@cydra_infinity1423 L take. You're objectively wrong
The fact that neither Christian Bale nor Michael Caine were nominated for an Oscar for these roles and this scene makes me feel anger.
I guess you could say the world is always against Batman
Oscars don't like nolan. They loose all credibility.
elcap22 caine deserved a couple a oscars for every one of the batman movies...
+Abusus75 thats nonsense
The academy doesn't like nominating super hero movies. Even though this trilogy is the best movie series of the 2000s with the Dark Knight being one of the best movies of the 2000s.
i really felt bad for alfred, the last scene where he stands at the graves of the wayne family, really touched me. this guy is a great actor.
Benedict Cumberbatch is far superior. He even gets to be in his own movies, such as The Imitation Game and Doctor Strange. He's not just some side character.
@@thestarkknightreturns Plz, dont say that. It offends the mentally challenged..
@@Revelian1982 I can't even imagine how you look in real life judging by that comment. May God have mercy on your soul.
@@Revelian1982 Something tells me Benedict would 100% disagree with you. Michael Caine is a national treasure.
@@bassinblue He speaks with that fake English accent in every film. He has no range whatsoever. Cumberbatch can be a posh good guy, but he can also be a posh bad guy, or even a posh dragon. He's so talented!
Man, Michael Caine portrayed Alfred as an entirely different matter. A man who had looked after the Bat from the dawn of time, who cared for Mr Wayne not only as a butler, but as a close friend. Goddamn it Michael Caine for being such a bloody good actor.
Alfred in general cares so much for Bruce and the Wayne family in general. He is practically a father to Bruce. In the comics he has always been like that. Alfred is so special to Bruce, if anything were to happen to Alfred, Bruce would never forgive himself. Alfred cares so much for Bruce and the Wayne family, that he will do anything to help them, and he always stands by them when making the right decisions. But I get what you mean, Alfred has always been like this in the comics, but I understand why you like Michael Caine. He truly represented the best Alfred so far.
Mark Rezk I hear you out. I just think that Michael Caine portrayed Alfred in a new light. You could truly experience the close bond with the Batman that Alfred had, through the actions of Michael's superior acting.
Have a nice day!
***** I agree and you too!
+TheDeathsReclaimer Why people like you think that actors come up with their lines? It's the writers. They write actors' lines.
+Solaxe S I know that the writers create the script. I do voluntary work for lights at theatrical productions, so I know what I'm on about. My point is, is that it is the way in which the actors act out the dialogue which gives them the credit. Michael Caine is one fine example...
Alfred: I won't bury you.
Alfred: *throws batarang thru window*
Alfred: But I don't have to save you.
Alfred: *crashes wayne manor with no survivors*
Lol
they expect one of us in the wreckage brother
*calm down Bruce now is not the time for fear that comes later*
Under rated comment XD
Now that would've been a mind blowing plot twist 😂
This scene alone made Christian Bale and Michael Caine the best on-screen Bruce Wayne and Alfred. I dare anyone to match the emotional chemistry these two share.
I like keaton... But bale was a damn good Bruce Wayne
because being Bruce is where the acting is truly shown, not by being batman
Keaton is the best Batman, Bale is the best Bruce Wayne
yeah, its why most believe conroy to be the best batman. bruce wayne is the performance, not batman.
Nathan Boyle thank you
"Maybe it's time we all stopped trying to outsmart the truth and let it have it's day"
That's the line that gets me every time. So much of the build up to this film was based on lies, Batman and Gordon covering up Harvey's crimes, Alfred sparing Bruce's feelings.
Truth is a recurring theme in this 3rd movie. Which is why I respect Nolan so much. He feeds off of each of the movies. There's consequences for every lie or decision the characters make. This is filmmaking at it's best
Nolan has a thing for truth vs lies. It's in almost all of his films. Memento, Insomnia, The Prestige, The Dark Knight, Inception and in Rises.
poontang3zizo and in Interstellar too, when Professor Brand lies to Cooper so he can get on the mission.... The giant lie
Why is it okay for Alfred to be the one who determines when the truth can come out? He's leaving Bruce at such a critical time. He KNOWS Bane is dangerous, yet he leaves Bruce in his hour of need. Alfred could have stayed and made drinks and snacks for Bruce, but because he's a selfish old codger, he'd rather be off farting around in Italy.
Revelian1982 He's trying to tell Bruce not to throw his life away and move on from his pain and not let it control his life. He knows he already failed by letting waste years of his life as a shut in, but he's not going to watch him throw himself in a fight he can't win.
To me, this trilogy had a lot of heart and intelligence.
To be fair, there were some heart in the scenes between Bruce and Alfred in Batman and Robin.
I liked Michael Gough, he made a good Alfred too :)
It's the least intelligent of all the Batman films, by a country mile. How the hell can you call any of these films "intelligent"?
@@Revelian1982 Because they are, bro. Great movies! Amazing screenplays, awesome acting, wonderful soundtrack!
@@christianschmidt8476 The screenplay for Batman and Robin was the only one worse than these. The acting was okay, and the soundtrack gave me a headache. At the end of the day, it's a rather bigoted trilogy, due to there being no trans representation in any of them three movies. Unacceptable. Shame on Nolan.
"It means losing the person I've cared for ever since I heard his first cries echo through this house.
But it might also mean saving your life. And that is more important."
One of the most emotional and profound lines ever said in a movie. Really captures the essence of a parental figure & Michael Caine's delivery truly does it justice.
As a father. That line hits more home then ever for me
Goodbye Alfred 😢
"Good bye, Alfred."
@omarfaw ego moment for bruce
It's the best performance I've seen Michael cain give
I love the ''How dare you'' line & how Bale said it. Bruce was like a drug addict heading for disaster. Christian did such an amazing job portraying Batman's psyche. In his every gaze there's pain and anger. Broken man. Yes, Dent lost Rachel & became Two Face, but Bruce not only lost her like 2 times more - because he loved her first, then he was not allowed to mourn. On top of that - this brutal truth from the letter. Horrible.
Yeah, well George Clooney had to deal with Mr. Freeze trying to freeze the entire planet, and a better version of Bane, as well as that Kill Bill bird. His pain and anger were truly felt in that wonderful performance. The script is better too, obviously. I'll never forget that famous line: "Hi Freeze. I'm Batman." Honestly, there's nothing better.
Revelian1982
I really hope you’re being sarcastic.
Revelian1982 This nigga cruisin around this section spreading bullshit like it‘s butter
@@ahmetozturk3000 Ikr.
3 people didn’t get the joke xD
I see the Joker's handiwork in this scene. Joker kills Rachel which Bruce never gets over. Alfred burns Rachel's last words to save Bruce from more pain. In an attempt to save Bruce from confronting Bane, Alfred disarms him with the truth even if it means saving his life. Even tho he isn't mentioned in this film, you see how joker messed up the characters in this film
I agree! the joker is really the heart and soul of the nolan trilogy. His impact as a whole really messed things up during and after the the dark knight. He is a lot smarter than bane and I believe joker is the only one who really beated batman in the trilogy because of the after math of it left off after the dark knight movie.
silahc laeno of course, Joker is the heart and soul of the Batman mythology actually... He's just the perfect antagonist for the Batman character.
But I don't know if he's the ONLY ONE who beat Batman in this trilogy. All the villains beat Batman in one way or another. Ra's broke Batman's will, Scarecrow broke his mind, Joker broke his spirit, Two-Face broke his hope, Bane broke his body, Talia broke his heart, hell even Catwoman broke his trust early on....
Also remember that Joe Chill broke his happiness when he pulled the trigger and fired the bullets that killed his parents and also Falcone and Maroni were indirectly responsible for Batman's birth, and what makes Nolan's trilogy a masterpiece is indeed how each of his enemies are responsible for major tragedies in his life or events that will scar him for life and as for the enemies he fought in the trilogy I would say that The Joker (not only cause he's the archenemy) is the one who got under his skin in the most personal way not only by killing Rachel but by corrupting the "honest and perfect" White Knight but because he forced Batman to take on a role that in Batman's eyes it would be best for him by sparing the truth of who the real white knight was when he was pushed to his limits.
Aldo Zanoletti absolutely. Nolan put in each film the right villains needed for all 3 stories. Not only are they responsible for tragedies in Bruce's life, but they mirror Bruce like some twisted perversion of what he could have been IF he crossed the line of an executioner. This is for me one of the most interesting elements of Batman from the source material.
Him never crossing the line his villains deliberately or accidentally cross is what he uses to check himself so he doesn't end up like them. Hence why I find Batfleck firing automatic round at thugs very problematic. Coz then he's no better than his rogues, he becomes a man lost in a scramble for his own gratification... A mere bitter vigilante
Michael Otis Regarding Batfleck his performance was good but Bale's Batman for me is better cause like you and me both have said the Bale version was scarred for life thanks to a mugger who killed his parents , his mentor, a corrupt doctor, a maniacal clown, the white knight of Gotham, a maniac with a painkiller mask broke him a cat burglar betrayed him more than once until she learned to know him a business rival bankrupted him and the city's 2 most powerful crime lords were indirectly or directly responsible for giving birth to Batman and for corrupting the White Knight himself Bale's version also had to deal with the fact that his beloved woman friendzoned him in the first movie and left him permanently in the second movie and he had to find out about the truth in the third movie that she was permanetly ditching him Affleck is just an angry vigilante taking out his rage against criminals due to the death of his parents Bale had to deal with everything and man up and mourn in private that's what makes me like Bale's version the most out of all Batman actors.
That was a great emotional scene.
I love how so many self proclaimed Batman purist/expert are in the comment section.
Huh? What do you mean by that?
hunterkiller1440 what’s a purist in this context hunter or killer ? Cmon pick a side . Hunter or killer and a purist does not watch spin offs and exclusive to Nolan huh..
@@potsomelawyer3034 so you didnt like the dark knight series?
Then you must be a walking Batman encyclopedia.
As a self proclaimed Batman zealot, I agree this scene is great.
The Dark Knight: "Sometimes truth isnt good enough, sometimes people deserve more. Sometimes people deserve to have their faith rewarded"
The Dark Knight Rises: "Maybe its time we all stop trying to outsmart the truth and let it have its day"
Noticed this on a rewatch of TDK. Nice job catching that👍🏿
@@bobbyshewan4229 Well it was set 8 years later, in the heat of the moment Alfred did what he did because he thought that it was the right thing to do. When I was younger I found out my grand parents got divorced while I was living in South America as an exchange student, no one told me until I came back I was gone for almost a year. I got mad and argued with my mom about it and her reply was "When you have a child, you'll understand that sometimes your faced with a choice to keep them ignorant and happy, or aware and sad."
@@K1ng1995 wow, that's a good quote.
Alfred realized how wrong he was
@@K1ng1995 aware and sad, the truth is more valuable than ignorant happiness.
The use of silence in the scene is brutal. Everytime they don't talk there is a huge, monumental and intense silence between them. Amazing acting and direction.
Bale at his best in the trilogy. Michael Caine at his usual level, outstanding
"... ... ..." (That's me telling you you're full of shit)
Imax theatre, midnight premiere. Place packed to the last seat. During that scene if someone would even move a leg I would probably heard it.
I believe it displays the legacy of the Wayne family; nothing at all, absolute silence. With the way Bruce was going, there will be no legacy
@@Revelian1982 Shut up
I have been a Batman fan since the 50's. Nothing can equal this trilogy. This was the ultimate Batman.
wrong.
Hmph. I knew you'd say that.
TacticalLoL You are wrong.
Even more the Batman of the animated series?
In my opinion, Kevin Conroy's Batman was the ultimate Batman.
elcap22 I know what you mean, in a way nothing will ever be more Batman than that, but as far as live action goes, TDK trilogy was the Batman many had been waiting for their entire lives - a sincere look at the character, his motivations, his enemies, and his world. They changed a lot to fit in with the modern era, sure - Conroy's Batman is somehow timeless and outside of any era - but live action-wise it's hard to imagine a better take on who Batman is.
this was a powerful scene, it didn't rely on cheap sad music in the background, it didn't rely on forced emotions, it relied only on tension of the events and emotional logic, this was one of the most powerful scenes in the movie, I nearly teared up
Alex Bukher You're a thenthitive boy, int ya, Tommy?
+Alex Bukher Well said !
+Alex Bukher Really good analysis. I'm going to remember this.
+Alex Bukher I remember the first time I saw it in the cinema I had water in the eyes. This scene really was a powerful moment. And unexpected, I don't think many anticipated Alfred ever leaving Bruce.
Revelian1982 lol whats wrong with you
Jeezus. This doesn't even feel like a scene from a movie. It genuinely feels like we got an inside look at the private breakdown of a surrogate father/son relationship we had no permission to witness, with such raw emotion and intensity. Just brilliant acting.
@jpeg fern yessssss
@made4changeSo very true. No other pairing comes close on the big screen. Second best would be Michael Keaton and his Alfred. But even that is a far back second.
🙏🏽
Please don't use the Lord's Name like that
Damn right
My Cocaine is a brilliant actor.
Lol
Im laugingOL😂😂
Prince-ass Diaries was good too
Who is My Cocaine? He a wrestler or somethin
Took me a minute to get that one XD
Best version of Alfred to ever appear in a live action Batman film, easily.
Ehh Jeremy irons is also up there... With that sexy ass voice
Jeremy Irons was terrible casting and didn't get the role at all. Casting someone 20 years older than Bruce to play Alfred means being completely idiotic.
Then again, the other alfred’s are just “Hey I’ll ready the Batsuit” This ones an actual character
Nope. Can't say I agree with you there. I think Alfred from Batman and Robin just wins it, for me.
He does seem to be the voice of reason and has a sharp wit, just like Alfred.
Nolan is a genius. He includes a lot of emotional and powerful scenes in all his movies. This scene here, the scene in inception when murphy meets his dad in the dream, the scene in interstellar where MM is watching 23 years of messages are all emotional. Nolan will go down as one of the best directors ever
Walter White No doubt about that
No, me and my pals on Twitter are trying to cancel him for not giving enough people of color opportunities to be in his films.
Revelian1982 fuck off
@@Revelian1982 Either a funny troll or you’re just a miserable person mate.
@@Revelian1982 that’s bait
3:07 The acting here is phenomenal. Michael Caine knocked it out of the park in this entire scene, but this bit almost brought me to tears
This scene broke my spirit entirely.
"How dare you to use Rachel to try to stop me?" It feels like this is Batman speaking from inside. Genius and subtle acting
"You said he was excommunicated"
"By Ra's al Ghul. Who leads them now?"
Great foreshadowing to Talia being in charge of the LOS
darthen856 damn I always thought he said who needs him now?
Why in the fuck would he say, "Who needs him now?"? Thank God you're not a screenwriter. Here's your interpretation of Gone With The Wind:
"Where shall I go? What shall I do?"
"Franken my ear, by dome gibber dan!"
Revelian1982
You sound a bit too bitter over someone mishearing something.
Sorry, man. I had to reprimand one of my students yesterday, and it disappointed me, because she was doing so well. This put me in a bad mood. I apologize.
Revelian1982 Wow, you sound like a pretty shitty teacher. You not only got so pissed over a well-performing student who happened to make a mistake, but also take it out on others who make mistakes, berating them like a bitchy pretentious smart aleck.
The use of sound in this scene is great, the way they echo while talking by the stairs really shows how empty and desolate Bruce's life has become and when Alfred leaves there is really is nothing.
You're imagining things.
Revelian1982 nah im using my ears.
@@UnfoundFilms No, you're not. You're using the part of your brain that imagines shit.
I agree, the tension pulls at your heart strings. It feels so real, and just reinstates the type of relationship Bruce and Alfred have. It is one of a father and son, and Bruce doesnt just yell and flip his shit, he gets quieter, which is much more natural I feel.
@@Revelian1982 Nolan knows these things you don’t. That’s why he’s one of the greatest and you’re just a bum
The fact that both of them get emotional gets me everytime. Bruce knows Alfred is right. But Alfred knows Bruce is gonna go his way. This scene hurts so much.
Alfred [sadly]: "I'll cancel the pizzas.. "
+Christopher Rodriguez
"Still, my extreme behaviours are mild, Alfred..."
that was a good Alfred! In 1989 and 1992...
Ah you just ruined it xD in the best way possible
A marvel movie would do that.
Batman (in his incomprehensible Dark Knight voice): I’LL GET DRIVE THROUGH
Bruce Wayne trusted literally everything in the hands of Alfred. His secrets, his money...Alfred was such a loyal G.
Of course he did . Alfred is like a second father figure to Bruce after his parents died .
Bruce: "This is Alfred. I work for him."
@@WhyTho525no
some fans don't give the film enough credit but this scene really shows that bruce was stuck in time still mourning the loss of rachel which is why selina plays a bigger role in this story she brought back his lost spark
Yep he never left that moment… although I wonder how he would have handled reading that letter.
@@iamsherlocked345 probably would of been painful but i feel this selina was great for this version of batman they both wanted a fresh start there relationship was built on trust issues but there similar
@@Ncholasbloom yep I completely agree. She wanted a fresh start and in the end so did Bruce.
@@iamsherlocked345 in a way selina was stuck in time as well unable to escape her past cuz she kept doing things relating to her past its only when she saves that kid from thugs her true self comes out which is why bruce gives her the clean slate
@@iamsherlocked345 but i wonder what would of happened if rachel lived
Michael Caine... No one can beat him as Alfred in my opinion
What a fantastic actor, he truly did contribute to this trilogy
It's amazing how Bale can show emotions just by subtle facial expressions and Michael Caine delivers the line like he really raised Bruce in real life. Brilliant actors
The Avengers is a great movie. But show me one scene in it that contains the sheer power and emotional tension that this wonderful scene evokes. And it does it without any cheap tricks. There's no sad music or over-the-top, melodramatic lines. It's simply a sad scene between two characters that we care for. This is how you make a comic book movie that truly stands out from the pack.
+Simon Stock I'm really glad to finally see that somebody else can see the difference!
+Simon Stock
The Dark Knight Rises (2012) 10/10
Batman Begins (2005) 10/10
The Dark Knight (2008) 10/10
+Simon Stock I don't see how The Avengers really needs emotional baggage. That's not its purpose. I could easily come around and challenge you to give me one Dark Knight scene that invokes a sense of wonder and actual fun, and I can imagine it'd be a difficult task. If you truly want something Marvel-related to compare The Dark Knight trilogy to, your best shot is Daredevil. What you're doing is like comparing Guardians of the Galaxy to Batman Returns. It's just stupid and doesn't actually prove anything.
+Chandler Mathis You're actually missing my point. I'm not trying to compare the two on a stylistic level. Rather, I'm simply highlighting TDK trilogy's tendency to transcend the usual trappings of a comic book movie. They are great films, not just great comic book films, which is actually an important distinction. The Avengers is a really fun and entertaining movie, and certainly one of the better films we've seen from the genre. That's why I use it as a reference point within the genre. But, it doesn't reach much beyond top-notch genre fare. Chris Nolan's Batman trilogy does. Whether or not the Avengers should reach for more is irrelevant to the point I'm making.
Simon Stock Fair enough, though I disagree about TDK trilogy truly transcending anything. When compared to non-superhero movies, TDK becomes a pretty standard film, sans the psycho in the bat suit
Truth vs. lies is a recurring theme in almost all of Nolan's movies. Seriously, look at his oeuvre: Following, Memento, Insomnia, The Prestige, The Dark Knight, Inception. All these films involve the protagonist buying into a lie to make his world better. In The Dark Knight Rises I think Nolan finally confronts the reality that sometimes we need to accept the truth. It's like his answer to all his other films. Simple but brilliant writing.
If you're still looking at notifications, I just wanna say that your comment was a brilliant piece and made me appreciate Nolan that much more.
brilliant
Absolutely agree.
Interstellar too, I think
the professor lies to Murphy
Alfred’s line about losing “someone (Bruce) he cared for since he first heard his cries echo through the house” and when he’s apologizing in tears to Bruce’s parents at his funeral gets me every time
Damnit, it looks like Bale and Caine are legit holding back tears by the end. I wasn't able to do the same.
I no m8 i crie evritiem :,(
Well yeah, they’re acting and it’s a heavy scene.
i no evn crye bcuzz i no tink i stiel matuerd yett. ;(((
Cause it's the last scene Bruce and Alfred have in the series, cause in both of the other movies, it's been Alfred and Bruce centric, and for this to be the last scene between them, it would be heartbreaking.
The Dark Knight is better but TDKR has alot of powerful scenes that even some of TDK scenes cant beat em.
the dark knight ending is the best among all trilogy scenes.
+Amir Hazim that statement is entirely subjective though
Both are.
I think we can all agree that the Trilogy itself as a whole is a pretty damn good (Comic book) trilogy and i would rank it up there with Original Star Wars Trilogy ( pretty sure it will be watched by future generations)
bassgasmask Yes, that's what I think. It's more commendable considering the amount of time between each movies. The whole thing was basically made in the span of a decade.
Bruce looks broken, so tired, worn out. Bale was superb in this role. You can actually see held-back tears in his eyes, in this scene. Christian & Michael Caine had just great chemistry together, the best Bruce Wayne & Alfred ever.
Alfred holding young, orphaned Bruce and this scene together just put you in tears
Actually does
Only superhero movie to ever bring tears to my eyes. Bale is the best Batman and Caine is the best Alfred, by far.
Edit: Add Logan to that list.
yep, better than the previous bruce and alfreds, tho from what ive seen from affleck and irons, I think they'll top this when we get a solo batman film in the dceu
I couldn't believe it when I heard people saying the Avengers was better than this back in 2012. The Avengers lacks substance and is nothing but action and boring setup. Here, the story was engaging, thought-provoking, and so emotional that I felt like crying by the end of it. It's damn near a masterpiece in my eyes and it was a great conclusion to an already great trilogy.
lol no. I see the new batman and i think Ben affleck not bruce wayne
Batfleck and Irons were also great.
+Cran KaDub
I agree, although Avengers was also a great movie, major props to Kiss Weedon because he did the impossible. And what did he do? He brought superheroes coexistence successfully. But yeah man, TDK trilogy is an absolute masterpiece, so is the Captain America trilogy in my opinion.
Michael Caine is legendary.
No, he's not. He ruined every scene he was in. I can think of a thousand better actors than Michael Caine.
@@Revelian1982 fuck off idiot
You’re only a legend when you’re dead.
Revelian1982 if u hate this movie this movie why are coming here and spreading your trash here
@@smokeyoreo1825 Because Danny Dyer is a way better actor but doesn't get the credit he deserves.
This scene is heartbreaking, for both of them. For Alfred because he refuses to lose his son, and for Bruce because he's being consumed by pain and grief 😢
Everyone involved in this franchise nailed each and every one of their roles. Unforgettable. A legacy.
*i re-enacted this scene as a cringey audition can i get some feedback, Batman fans ? I was so OBSESSED with these movies lol*
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Except Marion Cotillard. Periodt
"Im getting real tired of your shit Master Wayne!"
***** Urm... Thanks
+Leopard95 82nd like
Would love to hear Micheal Cain say that
W-James Haha this killed me
that's essentially what Alfred said to him throughout these entire scenes man. well done
"I buurnnt tha letterh"
how dare u use Rachel 2 try 2 stop me
Marvin Rodriguez why so serious
This is racist. If Michael Caine were Indian, and you did his accent, you would already know that was racist, so what makes it different with an English accent. Bigoted filth such as yourself are in such a bubble that you can't see your white privilege even though it's staring you in the face. Why not got and piss on a homeless person and knock a guy in a wheelchair over while you're at it!?
Revelian1982 lmao shut the fuck up
@@Revelian1982 SJW award goes to....
This is probably the best acting piece in any movie superhero ever.
An emotionally restraint "farewell conversation" between two men who love each other like family but with lots of conflicting feelings.
Two of the greatest actors of their respective ages. What an absolute treat and masterclass to watch!
"I know what this means."
"What does it mean?"
"It means your hatred. And it also means losing someone that I have cared for since I first heard his cries echo through this house. But it might also mean saving your life. And that is more important." *with tears in my eyes* #SADDESTSCENE #VERYEMOTIONAL
Or Alfred could say this Alfred: At AT A SIZE OF TANGERINE 🍊
The Dark Knight Rises (2012) 10/10
Batman Begins (2005) 10/10
The Dark Knight (2008) 10/10
Yes. Thank you. I'm so tired of people bashing on The Dark Knight Rises. Every single movie in the trilogy is great.
+LazyWhiteK1d word.
+Andrew Hong If we also add the animated movie of Batman: Gotham Knight, booom another great movie but nothing as amazing as the real live action movies.
+Aldo Zanoletti (AZanoletti) Batman:Gotham Knight was not that good. It was a bit clunky and didn't have a good flow. Good Batman animated movies would be Under the Red Hood and Dark Knight Returns.
Mark Rezk I enjoyed gotham Knight alot but we both can agree that it's flow wasn't really good though and regarding Batman animated movies I let's also add Mask Of The Phantasm.
Michael Caine is a fantastic actor
No, he's not. He's fucking garbage. Give me Taylor Lautner any day of the fucking week.
@Velet Düşmanı Are you a girl or a guy?
@@Revelian1982 Again with this fatty
Scenes like these are what makes Nolan's dark knight movies the best batman films. No other batman movie captured the emotional connection between the characters better than these. They can keep rehashing the films but none will ever come close.
I love how there’s no music in this scene at all. Just raw emotion on behalf of Michael Caine and Christian Bale.
That delivery of "goodbye, Alfred" is enunciated so carefully to make it easily mistakable for "goodbye, old friend". I'm pretty confident this was intentional
He kicked out someone who probably cared more about him than his biological parents
"Maybe it's time we all stopped trying to outsmart the truth and let it have its day" man that quote aged very well. Especially for the world we live in now
I love how bale didn’t over play this scene. Good acting
must have been awkward when he reached the other side of the stairs and had to avoid eye contact
Zak Lol i was just thinking that
That scene wasn't in the film, so you're just making it up. It's like saying it would have been awkward trying to cut The Joker down from the rope. If you're going to make things up, why not go wild and say, "Superman should have flown in from Metropolis and used his laser eyes on Bane, and the film would have ended after an hour." People like you are the reason Antifa gets a bad reputation.
@@Revelian1982 the scene wasn't displayed but it could absolutely be inferred. Sure it doesn't show the action in the scene, but by logic, that's what would happen in the story. Otherwise, other possibilities are : he walked up, then back down, or he walked up and just stayed at one spot till Alfred left. Obviously, based on common logic, the most plausible is the action that was stated by the original poster. Besides, your superman example is very exaggerated compared to the scene described by the original commenter to the point that it's just plain false analogy. Also the comment was meant as a relatable joke. No legitimate reason to include an Antifa comment. It's just unnecessary hasty generalization as well.
@@Revelian1982 The Nolanverse is grounded in reality and as such Superman doesn't exist in it.
@@tehgundulf "You're". I may not be a genius but at least I can spell.
That had to hurt, knowing that the woman you had been waiting for your entire life, settled for someone else rather than you. It's no wonder Bruce finally decided to give up his life at this point.
It makes the “why didn’t you just kill me?” Line more deep. “You don’t fear death. You welcome it”
@@IKnowImGayWhenISayThisBut You mean Bane did his research on Rachel Dawes? I think their relationship was private.
@@MoonwalkerWorshiper no read the OP
@@IKnowImGayWhenISayThisBut Wayne wasn't suicidal, he was Batman.
@@MoonwalkerWorshiper then ask the op
Am I the only one who think batman looks cool even without his mask on.
No, you're not, I'm sure.
(Also, I take it you saw a certain recent film?)
What kind of coward would hide behind a mask?
@@wikipediaintellectual7088 "it's not about who I am underneath, it's what I do that defines me"
he looks cooler without the mask and cape, kinda like a League of Shadows assassin
Come to think of it that could make a really powerful ending to a batman film series. A final confrontation against the villain with no choice but to reveal his identity. Kind of like Arkham knight maybe?
Despite the limited screentime that he has, Michael Caine gives his most emotional performance as Alfred in the trilogy with this film. They did an excellent job of understating their drama, the queitness and of their argument and not yelling still hits you like a ton of bricks. That's true acting class there. All of the cast is terrific in this film (despite people who shat on Marion Cotillard, she did a great job as well and all of the characters have shining moments).
I understood why they went this direction. It's about giving up obsessions, moving on with life, and yeah being Batman put a toll on Bruce, but it was something Batman fans are not used to. They are used to seeing Alfred stand behind Bruce no matter what and to be honest, it did throw me off. But it's still interesting seeing this different take on the Batman mythology; I take it for what it is, a story with a beginning, middle, and end
Well im guessing, they tried to make it as real as possible. Alfred basically raised Bruce since he was a kid himself. So of course he's going to care for him. They made his approach more real. Well thought, and put together.I thought, Christopher Nolan is a genius for the Dark Knight trilogy.
Alexander Medina They also brilliantly wrote him out of the movie's conflict so that Bane wouldn't easily capture and kill him. It would have been cool if Nolan didn't cut to a shot of Bruce and Selina, ending on the reaction of Sir Michael Caine.
Thank you for saying this. This scene is so essential. A mans doubts and weaknesses are just as part of him as anything. No matter how strong Bruce and Alfred are, of COURSE they think about life outside of the cave. If not that, then what the hell else is this shit all done for? Two great actors, working off each other.
Fans might have been pissed but you're absolutely right.
It was also very important in the movie to leave Bruce all alone, desperate and with no one he could rely on. Like the entire world is crushing onto him all at once. Leaving him in the perfect position to fall into Talia's hand.
Jeremy Irons did great as this old and tired, but still supportive of Bruce's bullshit Alfred.
Andy Serkis did great as much darker as a mentor Alfred, who just started to try to balance, Bruce's life.
I don't remember his name, but Burton's Alfred did great as this fully supportive Alfred.
But Michael Caine... he took Alfred to level that is so high, that no actor, director or writer will never hope to achieve. His Alfred is epic in any scene he is given.
I 100% agree, Sir Michael Caine's performance with Nolens directing was amazing, so emotional when he needs to be. But yet also has a funny side too.
2:30 Michael Caine's portrayal of Alfred was by far the best out of any of the live action portrayals till now . Sure , he might not have been spry like the comics Alfred but he was the heart of the Trilogy and loved Bruce more than anyone or anything else . This scene and the elevator scene in Batman Begins always make me tear up . Alfred was more than just a butler to Bruce . He was Bruce's father and best friend as well . The one who always motivated Bruce to keep being a good person and to stand up and fight back no matter what .
You know a superhero movie is really great when it's not just the heroes and villains who make the movie but also the supporting characters.
This was a great moment for both Bale and Cain's performances. I can understand Bruce's anger towards Alfred. For one thing, Alfred had all the time in the world to tell him about Rachel's decision. Yet to tell Bruce now just as Gotham is about to come under attack by Bane was one hell of a bomb drop. Especially towards a man like Bruce who was not in the best condition at beginning of the film. That added a HUGE mental blow.
burtonryan50 yea that’s interesting to think that may have thrown off his focus
“I’ll fight harder, I always have”
That overconfidence at the start of the movie
By far the best scene of the trilogy. Alfred is the only person who truly cared about Bruce Wayne.
It's a blessing to have a family/Butler like Alfred, people are just so fckin fake and NPC-minded now it's sad, especially in the Divided States of cringe.
"I am using the truth, Master Wayne. Maybe it's time we all stop trying to outsmart the truth and let it have it's day."😢
Nice acting, Sir Caine. You may not look like Alfred from comic, but you really nailed the character. Perfect.
there is called adaptation and Nolan understood the characters from the comics and adapted them to his vision. Even in the comics, Alfred acts as a father to Bruce and helps him.
The older I get, the more I could care less if the characters are exactly 100% like the comic books. I remember people complaining about Batman returns penguin being a freak that lived in the sewer with black stuff coming out of his mouth. But it's honestly the coolest and most memorable version of the penguin that we've gotten that's still for the most part looked like the comic book. At the end of the day, does anyone really care about that? As long as they are mostly like the characters, I could care less if Alfred doesn't look like the skinny mustache wearing Butler. I didn't like the fact that the scarecrow was done so poorly in the Christopher Nolan movies, with only the mask itself resembling anything of the comic book character. But it's tolerable. Joker looked like joker, Two-Face looked like two-face, bane looked like bane, everyone pretty much looked like their comic book counterparts. UNLIKE stupid Patterson Batman where "riddler" was literally a gimp that look absolutely 100% nothing like the actual comic book. It was a bastardization. That I simply will not tolerate.
@@petersmithyy4556 Bruh I didn't get the Riddler thing in Reeves's Batman. He's supposed to be an arrogant puzzle 'master', not a serial killer with round glasses.
@@optimus2008 thank you for understanding lol honestly it was months later that I found out, oh that's supposed to be riddler? It's like gimme a break. Even Jim Carrey was like 🙄
Technically the quote is "Maybe it's time we all stop trying to outsmart the truth and let it have its STAY"
That's the whole point of the Dark Knight.
Truths and Lies. Alfred thought he was doing the right thing by burning that letter because Bruce already sacrificed so much to bring down Joker and the last thing Alfred wanted Bruce was to be hurt even more. After all, the woman he loved chose someone else.
“How dare you use Rachel... To tried to stop me” gives me chills
Fucking Michael Caine had me crying this entire movie.
And the fact that the next morning he still called Alfred's name..... goes to show how much he really loved him, that last little hope that Alfred was still there 🥺🥺🥺
1:30 Alfred : I'll get this to Mr. Fox, but no more. I've sewn you up, I've set your bones, but I won't bury you. I've buried enough members of the Wayne family.
The emotions between Alfred and Bruce are so strong, in comics and in movies.
This scene has the best goddamn acting in a superhero movie ever. This is Oscar material. Brilliant.
I def cried myself. Michael Cain was and is the perfect alfred bar none.
You're such a little girl! Oh my God! You cried!? You fucking CRIED!? LMFAO! What a joke! I'll bet you still live with your parents! Ha ha ha ha ha!!
@@Revelian1982 yeah ha ha ha ha, so funny. Do you seriously have nothing to do other than bitching about people on RUclips?
@@aryanrao8854 Not since your mother left town..
People are really rude for no reason. This is sad.
@@aryanrao8854 He has nothing better to do with his life. I see people like this allllll over the internet. These are hurt, angry people lashing out at the world because there’s no consequence for their actions. This guy is a perfect example of that. Sorry to school you, I just want you to understand how people like this think.
Alfred: "I've buried enough members of the Wayne family."
Christian: "OOOOHHHH GOOOOD FOR YOUU! AND HOW WAS IT?"
"WHEN I WAS SAVE THE GOTHAM WHAT DO YOU DO? AAAAH DARA DARA DARA IN THE BACKGROUNG.... WHAT ARE YOU DOING? WHY DON'T YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND?
LOL
😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😢goddammit
*Alfred leaves
*Silence
Christian Bale: "Fucking ass!.."
Ben Affleck will never top this Bruce Wayne portrayal.
@Mitchell Movie Productions No
@Mitchell Movie Productions Keaton was a stylish Batman, very stylish, but he never had a script like this to work with.
Well at least Batfleck got Wonderwhaman instead of Rachel Dawes.
And he never has.
@Mitchell Movie Productions He did
Reeves and Patinson didn’t achieve even 1% of what a true Batman movie is.
This is how u portray Bruce and Alfred
while yeah alfred was absolutely fucking wasted bar 1 scene in that movie, i feel like as a whole its more true to what batman is.
Partison?
dude, they made up with each other in the end of the film. they'll prolly be good friends in the sequel
As good as Caine's performance, Bale's acting is so genuine and next level in this scene.
perhaps no one ever thought anyone could make a trilogy of films of a comic hero until nolan came around, this film in particular has touched me deep like no other ever has, it's a masterpiece.
Raimi Trilogy but ok, but yeah
Sam Raimi literally right there
@@guileniamSpider-Man 3 was garbage stfu
I think people tend to forget that playing batman isnt all about being in the suit. It isnt about how his voice sounds. Its the ability to play both batman and bruce wayne. Bale gets knocked for the voice which I agree did get a tad old but im not gonna sit there and say he was a bad batman cause of his voice. Thia scene perfectly ahows that bale did an amazing job at playing bruce and not just the dark knight. In the whole trillogy you can see and feel his pain so much by the time thia movie came along it truly felt like he had nothing and wanted to die just like alfred says.
I always liked Bruce’s response when he says “you expect to destroy, and then think that we’re gonna shake hands” I know it’s such a simple like but that was always something I really loved that he built up and idolized a life he could’ve had that in his mind is still real and he still holds on to but to him realizing it never would’ve existed in the first place is even more painful than that could ever be.
This is something the MCU could never touch. Actual stakes and character development.
I swear Sir Michael Caine is literally a international treasure, his performance as Alfred is awesome inspiring, as a young lad this scene didn't captivate me over the all the action and batmaning in these films, but as I've grown up and matured my palette, realizing how deep of a performance Alfred is has really been something else.
In One of his early films he was with demi moore
I bet it really got to Bruce to hear that Rachel had chosen Harvey Dent instead of him. Imagine hearing that the woman you loved for the last 8 years, thinking she was going to wait for you, only to hear she had chosen someone else. Alfred must've been truly desperate to reveal the truth to Bruce, even if he ended up hating him for it, better to have him angry than to have him dead!
Quite possibly the saddest scene in cinematic history. The pain and emotional weight both of these actors are able to display is incredible. Also some of the best and most touching writing in any movie. Just brilliant all around
writer's are responsible for the good stuff we hear , actors are responsible for how they say it.
Richard Duroseau and both made this scene a masterpiece
+Chris Addy I hear that
And the producer's job is to get prospective actresses to watch him masturbate into a plant, so she can get a speaking role in one of his films.
Never have I thought that a Batman movie would ever make me tear up.
Both actors did such a great job in this scene. It actually feels like a conversation that would be had in real life.
0:52 his commentary alone will get him hired to be a broadcaster for sports 😂
The one line they cut out that was in the trailer that they should have kept was:
"You are as precious to me as you were to your mother & father. I swore to them that I would protect you. And I haven't."
A true masculine conversation between a stident who is wise and a mentor
Anyone who says Nolan phoned it in, didn't care or just did it out of obligation after having watched this scene are clearly talking out of their ass.
I know I’m late as all hell, but I completely agree. I’m so sick and tired of people insulting Nolan for failing to match up to one of the best movies ever made.
Rocky 3: When Mickey doesn't want to train Rocky to fight Clubber Lang.
ajbahus Because you can't win, Rock!
no sad music, no stupid joke. thank you nolan
3:07 watching it after so many years and this scene still brings tears to my eyes in a moment
TDKR was really an emotional rollercoaster, so many nostalgic memories attached to this jewel ❤️💎