Hardwood Atlatl - Splicing Atlatl Spears
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- Опубликовано: 18 июл 2020
- In this video Ryan Gill shows the ancient technology of splicing atlatl darts/spears with the lap joint. Have you ever wondered how early man made long hunting spears if they only had short sticks to choose from? We are going to show you how to splice those short sticks to make efficient hunting implements.
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I like to use Crepe Myrtle for my shafts. It is super wet when green, which does mean it might take longer to dry, but also means a longer opportunity to straighten while green. And when it does dry, it’s a hard as a rock. Also very common.
Another great video i swear your channel is just an underrated gem of great content thanks for other tips about spears keep it up
thank you very much! and I agree with you, even though we are bias!..lol . the general public doesn't really care about this stuff. The daily exploits of the kardashians are far more interesting to them. (insert multiple laugh faces here)
@@huntprimitive9918 i agree people prefer watching boring celebrities than watching and supporting a channel that is the closest to a cave man man people do not appreciate good content
You do great work sir! I have friends in the archeology profession, and I have connected them with your videos.
I look forward to every video you put out
Great video, thanks 👍
Strictly speaking the joint is known as a scarf joint, used in woodworking, boats and metal work. A lap joint is two rabbets joined like that, look up half lap or shiplap. You might want to try using a whipping as your wrap. Basically, lay a loop along the length of the joint. Then begin the wrap from the end away from the loop, leaving a tail sticking out. When you reach the loop, insert the end and pull on the tail. It makes a quite tight and secure wrap as both ends are under the wrap.
Very clearly presented, as always ! Thank you.
Master piece of knowlege your sharing!
thanks much!
@@huntprimitive9918 That's a scarf joint was used on early horn bows to.. do these fly just as good as a long river cane shaft? great vid👍
I want see you hunting my friend good luck
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We have lots of that on the channel. scroll through and you should find lots of hunting videos scattered about. thanks for following along
Why would you want him to hunt your friend lmaooooo
I live in the North of the Canadian province of Manitoba. So searching for a suitable wood for darts I remembered reading somewhere that the Natives prized Saskatoon bushes(commonly called June berries In the US) for arrow making. since they are readily available here I tried them out. what an amazing wood it is. Extremely hard and springy. It is relatively straight but hard to straighten further. It takes a lot of heat and patience but it does straighten. It has amazing impact resistance and durability. It is hard to drill and carve and dulls knives pretty fast.
Yes, that is a great wood for your area. We had that where I lived in Montana as well. A hint that will help you with straightening.. Straighten it without heat while it is still green. Leave the bark on for about a week, and straighten it every day. It will go back to crooked, but every day it will dry more straight. In a week, peel the bark and continue. In another few days you will have nice straight shafts that stay straight better than with heat alone. Best of luck on your primitive adventures!
Great video, learned something on this one. Thank you enjoy all your videos.
excellent. glad to hear it and thanks much for following along
That was really interesting ty. I'm going to look for one with bamboo, I hope you have one.
I'm native American and my grandpa lived in the reservation when he was little and said they used garfish scales as arrow heads. Does that sound like it could work
THE WRATH OF SQUIDWARD - Garfish? Would not need much sharpening, just some shaping. Be sort thin, maybe too flexible? Has anyone 'tinkered' with scales? Similar possibility to points made by paleo Siberian, perhaps? Anymore 'gems'? Would enjoy hearing of such.
@@andypanda4927 I dont really know much all I was told was the used the scales as arrow heads. But you are right about the sharpness I had a car as a pet and as my dad was putting it in the tank he had a towel so he doesnt get cut but it moved and cut his finger
Primitive pathways did a penetration test on a deer and actually tested a gar fish scale point.
@@MustObeyTheRules thank you I'm gonna try to find it
Yes, the alligator gar especially, has scales that can be used.
I've used the lap joint (scarf joint )when using antler tips on the fore shafts
Traditional historic kayak pieces were known to be "scarfed" ....also they sometimes carve interlocking shapes in the two pieces of stock. .
Love the T shirt bro
thanks very much
Practically speaking, how short do you think altlatal spears got?
You should do a series of videos making otzi’s gear
Nice
Thanks
@@huntprimitive9918 Sir, I want to ask. made of whether the rope on the arrow of ancient times or primitive times
sorry my english is bad.
because I use google translate.
Is there a book that teaches how to make the various knifes on the website ?
What did you use to cut your tapered darts? Finding it difficult for cuts to fit nicely together.
Fish bladers make better glue than hide glue
I have been wondering what I would do for darts here in Alaska as we dont have any cane type materials.
Bones? It could be a possibility, no?
Realistically, could you use a 4 foot dart? If you used a heavier point up front and larger fletchings in the back would this be viable? How short is too short?
Another gooder! How’d you get those splice joints so even? That’s one thing you didn’t explain.
thanks much. That just takes time and practice, but very doable with stone age tools
What angle did he cut wood
You had said lap joint, is that the historical term? I was curious because in common use, woodworking or ship building use, that style would be called a scarf joint. Generally speaking in wood work terminology a lap joint would be not angling the cut and stacking them, like a lashing. Not trying to be nit picky or anything, I am just genuinely curious.
in modern carpentry is where is gets muddy. Semantics plays bigger roles for sure. Scarf joint is definitely a great term for this as well. The scarf joint in modern terms also usually includes stagering to some degree, where the earliest forms of ship-lap are often based on the tapered principal. both overall, both scarf and lap joints can be interpreted in similar manners. I actually chose to go with lap joint terminology because I figured if I used scarf joint, wood workers would have a field day on me...lol.. maybe I chose wrong..lol I figured "lap" was closer to "overlap" and might be more widely accepted. But I am just a modern caveman, not a cabinet maker, so I will let you all decide the name for the joint chosen. Thanks for the input!
Could you show us in depth how you collect arrow shafts and what kind of woods to use in the bush????
I'm sure I can do a video on that, but the plants per region will often vary quite a bit.
@@huntprimitive9918 yeah I was mainly wondering about your area
Ryan, I realy like what you do especialy flintnaping. I'm 13 and I figured that I realy dont want to waste all of the summer playing computer games but that I want to do flintnaping. The problem is I do not live in the united states. I live in europe, slovenia to be precise. Do you ship that far? Even if you dont I love what you are doing and I cant wait for more!
(I dont speak english so forgive me if I speld something wrong.)
I live in Europe as well(Europe) I searched some creeks and after a long time I finally found some Flint... You can try it as well :)
You can do the flint naping technique on common broken glass. It makes arrow heads no different than the volcanic Obsidian ones.
You can use glass too for learning.
thanks much for following along. As others have said, glass is great to use, but also, Europe has great rock as well. some of the best flints are found in england, poland, and on down to the middle east. Your county likely has resources rarely talked about in modern times. Check any local museums for what earliest projectiles were made from.
I loked for flint on the river banks for 3 days and i found 1 useful flint. Its ither i'm realy bad at loking for flint or that there is no flint at where i looked. I will yust do stuff with wood.
Good question for you how do you make pitch blue, do you have a video on how to prepare it and if not it would be a good video. Just saying
i was just about to ask the same question
Pitch glue is made from pine tree sap.
you guys are gonna keep twisting my arm until I do it..lol. I figured many people likely had videos on it already, but I will try to pencil that one in for the future as well. thanks for following along!
Ive been wanting to see your recipe as well. Everyone does it different. I always wonder if mine is too sticky
@@JaySav916 my missus said mine is too sticky
Can you do something similar like this for arrow making?
plausibly yes, but historically, arrow shaft lengths are much more common than long spear lengths, so the need to splice arrow shafts isn't as often. Also considering the joints can create issues on the drawing back of the arrow across the hand or the bow. I don't think there are any real excavated examples of arrows using a lap joint except for perhaps very long fishing arrows with bone points.
@@huntprimitive9918 There are historical examples of spliced or lap joints used for arrow construction in the Canadian Arctic. Also of note, there are many examples of lap joints used in recovered darts from the Yukon ice fields that date a few thousand years old to more recently 1000 years. Check it out, there's lots of great artifacts that have melted out in the last couple of decades. Great channel, been watching for years.
Should i taper my foreshaft? Cuz mine has a couple knots. 😆
Sand gently my friend!😂
Sir, I want to ask. made of whether the rope on the arrow of ancient times or primitive times
sorry my english is bad.
because I use google translate.
No problem, but there is definitely a problem in translation. I will do my best. I think you may be asking about what I wrap the shaft with. It is sinew, the tendons of a deer.
@@huntprimitive9918 right
Talking about going back in time to take a peek, if anyone reading this could go back and observe for 24 hours, any time in earth’s history, what/where would it be or who would you want to meet?
In short term history, Fred Bear. In ancient history, I want to see what those Folsom people were up to.
HuntPrimitive Folsom or Clovis hunting a mammoth is a good answer. I was thinking maybe tecumseh, Simon Kenton, maybe Alexander the Great, Alcibiades or just go back and see a T-Rex.
First I like your RUclips channel
thanks very much.
HuntPrimitive no problem 😉
If anybody wants an alternative to the pine pitch/charcoal that would have been available in prehistoric times, Rosin 30% and Beeswax 70% would do. I've found it in this article studying rosin/beeswax glue and reaching this very interesting mixture. elbdisliker.at.ua/Unsorteeeeeeed/gaillard2015.pdf
Tried something of the sort (more wax that rosin) and it is very easy to work with and not really brittle at all. It stays malleable for a minute, does not stick as bad as pine pitch and in a few hours it reaches full strength, which is not excessive but will not crack at impact as it has a tendency to deform instead of breaking.
Should have showed making the actual lap cuts
It is just a process of scraping and grinding on a rock. Much similar can be seen on the "stone age wood working" video, and also the"stone age bow build" videos on my channel.
@@huntprimitive9918Cool!
So to address the original question, is the scarf joint made at a 90 degree angle or 45?
I'm not sure any of this is obvious or self explanatory, hence people asking your method of ensuring consistent cuts ryan
Umm... sometimes you get the super close shot with this kind of set up. Your throwing “board”/stick giving you a mechanical advantage to just bury you dart spear into an animals side. Last thing I’d want is it hitting a rib or something. Your lap joint breaks free and It stabs me??? Why they used a socket for 2 piece darts/spears. Controls the way it shatters. My 2 cents. You could of course pressure test the theory and hit something solid within 5 ft. See if a sharp point is traveling your way. Wearing protective clothing of course. It’ll have this bounce energy. Very distinctive sound too. If you ever hear it you’ll know you should duck immediately. Best of luck mate
definitely not the case with these. a lap joint is very tough. A rib would never stop or rebound a shaft like this. Even a shoulder blade is no match for it. Paleo peoples speared Mammoths and mastodons with this same technology. The tip would fail long before the lap joint
Be careful brother...some of the experts in your comment section will start harping about how primitive outdoor woodcraft isn't "bushcraft"🙄😂
That would be the least of my insults if you saw my daily comment notifications..hahaha