Ball State player gets obliterated
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- Опубликовано: 19 окт 2024
- During the college football game between Georgia State and Ball State, a Ball State player got destroyed on a block by a Georgia State player in the first quarter. His mouth piece went flying out and he was down for a while but eventually got up and was able to walk off the field. Initially, Georgia State was called for a targeting penalty but after reviewing the play the refs determined it was a blindside block penalty instead. Georgia State went on to dominate Ball State 51-20 and win the 2021 Camellia Bowl.
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Into the shadow realm you go! Do you guys think this should’ve been a penalty? Also sorry for posting late, I was busy doing Christmas stuff.
Idk but the mouth guard flew out
@@Cornsyrupisgood Unsportsmanlike conduct: knocking the Ball State player’s mouth guard 20 yards down the field
Idk I think so, it was somewhat of a blindside hit
@@RemiBoyz LOL
No, there was no reason to call a penalty. The defender and his tackler both had each other in their view, it just seems that Ball State dude had his attention elsewhere and rightfully got clobbered.
Commentator couldn’t admit he was wrong 😑
The guy tried so hard to sell that helmet to helmet contact when there was clearly none. what a moron
Agreed
@@KingSniper261 he lyin on Chrima de.
Why are you being a butt , Brett Anderson the 3rd is a solid player and he led with his helmet , he honestly just could have did a normal block ,. Beside the score was 51-20 , stop bullying ball state
@@trentoncarter9956 He did not lead with his helmet. He led with his shoulder and hit the guy in the chest. What hurt the guy was the whiplash effect. His head snapped forward because of the rapid deceleration of his body and during live play it was close, but the replay clearly showed no targeting or crackback block.
Horrible call. How the announcers (let alone the refs) miss him hitting the guy with his shoulder is beyond me.
The refs didn't miss it that is why they took targeting out.
It's an excellent call. There is argument to be made about helmet to helmet because the blockers helmet does hit the guys face mask enough to turn his head. It was not intentional, but when your head gets jerks sideways, your body naturally follows. This created the situation of a defenseless player. The blocker should've blocked lower or used his arms to block, not attempted to run through him a head level. The penalty call was created for this EXACT reason. Horrible analysis on your part.
Also, I've been hit exactly like this. It's not fun, it caused a concussion, severe whiplash, and a herniated disc. When ignorant people try to say stupid things about let them play, yes, let them ... but do it in a responsible and safe way, not attempting to murder the people you play against. I had the most career INTs and was 11 tackles away from the most career tackles in the state with 8 games remaining. I set a single game TD record and career scoring for a defender. I was no slouch, but it took one hit to ruin my future and my scholarship hopes.
Company men in a small bowl, they ain't rocking the boat
@@spi6455 after the play was reviewed they came to the conclusion that it was not targeting. So the refs got it wrong. It's a rough game, a violent game and people do get hurt, but everyone signed up for it...no one is doing this against their will, it's voluntary. The rules and the game are evolving and that is a good thing I think.
@@spi6455 this is the stupidest take I've ever seen and has zero understanding of how the rules are written.
so to recap: not targeting, not blind, nor from the side. 0 for 3. He did hit him really hard though, maybe they should have just admitted that's why they threw the flag.
@@I_Luv_Ma_Squad 😂🤣😂🤣
I can understand the officials throwing exclusively so that they can review it, it looks like it was close to having helmet to helmet, I'd want another slower look at that as well.
@@ScouterIkki hmmm
thats way too rational of a thought to be possible. im now going to get very angry over this and complain to no end about something that didnt even matter ultimately
@@ScouterIkki In normal speed you can tell there was no helmet to helmet contact. I don't know what these commentators were smoking...even the blindside block penalty that was enforced seemed a bit suspect.
@@johnathanpatrick6118 because it wasn't blindside. You have to be moving towards or parallel your own end zone. He was still moving downfield.
Ref: "15 yard penalty on the offense for a completely clean play."
Facts I can see them saying unnecessary roughness but blindside is ridiculous. Football on the college and NFL level is just getting softer and softer
I swear I heard him say 50 yard penalty
“He really walloped him, so there has to be something he did wrong. 15 yards.”
Best block I’ve seen in years.
*shows replay over and over*
"you see the targeting right there?"
Well no, there's literally no head to head contact. It's shoulder to shoulder.
defensive player also was not blindsided. saw him coming and braced. that was simply a solid block.
Announcers like this are why the mute button is so popular
Thats why I don't watch any of this shit. Read about it later, catch some highlights. Do something else with your time.
Lol ESPN sent there like Z squad to this game. very obviously was not targeting
@@ItsSerialBoX I'm at this point as well
That was a clean hit!! No helmet to helmet, no crack-back, no blind-side!!
There is no such as a thing as a defenseless player. Dudes that play football ain’t no punk. These dudes are always defending themselves and looking to hit something. This is about advertising. They want pretty running, long touchdowns and no broken bones or brains.
You are correct, we need to protect players but that was just a good hit that checks all of the boxes on what you are supposed to do. Dont target, don't hit helmet to helmet, don't blindside block. Can't coach a player to make a better block than that.
That was helmet to helmet , and even tho he didn’t “launch “ it was forcible contact to the head . I didn’t agree with all these new targeting rules, I prefer the old school way. But according to the new rules, this was a “blindside” block and probably should have been targeting as well. Refs need to be more consistent ont calls calls too. U see targeting that doesn’t get called , and other times they should call it but don’t . Easy way to fix it all, is go back to the old school way
There was zero helmet contact! Good call
Don’t think it should’ve been flagged at all but at least they didn’t eject the guy.
Whoever that commentator is should be fired, for continuing to stay it was a helmet to helmet hit even though it was zoomed in and played in slow motion multiple times
Yea that was weird it’s like they wanted him to get ejected
No wonder they're commentating over a Ball State vs Georgia State game
@@UlasSar
I think they just went down to the local community college and grabbed a couple of people to do commentary
yes they were clearly blind...makes you wonder if they are favoriting another team for personal gain.
He gets paid to lie to you.
That was a clean hit, he even led with his shoulder, their shoulders hit so hard that their helmets bopped off eachother.
It just happened to be a really hard hit.
Refs: "Technically, there was no penalty. But we are going to enforce one anyhow because we can't admit we fucked up."
Violent hit…absolutely, but it shouldn’t have been a penalty at all. Kudos to the review team for wiping out the targeting call
Completely agree. I'm not sure what the commentators were thinking when they were saying it "checked all the boxes" for targeting. It didn't even check ONE box for targeting.
Amen
Areed
@ Drew Zehnder - Agreed, you are 100% correct. I don't know where they get these announcers, but they suck ass!
Agree with Drew.
Not blind side…..not targeting….just hit him too hard 😂 give me a break, those announcers were clueless
'Clueless' is being a tad generous...
He didn’t hit him too hard, it’s called football. L announcers
Absolutely Clueless Donuts
The announcers are corporate beta nobodies afraid to go against the narrative and get canned. Fake News is full of these gutless wonders.
@@maverickd6214 that's how it works in today's football if the hit is too hard it's a penalty SMH
Bad call straight up. Announcers don’t know what they’re talking about. Helmet to helmet? Where? Are you blind? Great block, kid
momma, he knocked the mouthpiece clean out of that boy.
They took out targeting.
@@gofigure84 The refs took out the targeting call but the dumb ass announcers continued to insist it was targeting.
The helmet grazed the face mask, causing the head to turn. It was not intentional, but the block was definitely too high.
@@cobraccc7474 yeah but the call wasn't targeting. That would have been a bad call. They made the right call.
What the hell was that announcer looking at? He kept saying helmet to helmet after every replay. Literally no angle showed helmet contact.
I’m embarrassed for the entire NCAA at how wrong these people are who are the only ones being paid.
"You can see him hit him with the helmet"
No I can't. WHERE?!?! That was as shoulder pad-to-shoulder pad as it gets.
Yeah like are they blind
The hit was all shoulder
Why do you and I see this and no one else. Shoulder to shoulder. Good solid play!
@@woodsman1382 I'm not sure but it's interesting though...I think it's that some people commenting are just trying to get a rise out of others....some just truly don't know how to look at the play
@Peters6221 ummm... if you say so...but I ask what was the final call...
There’s literally nothing in that play that’s a penalty. They got flagged for hitting someone really hard.
You don't see head to head contact. The dude clearly led with his shoulder. This was a great hit, this is how you teach kids to hit.
It was clean contact. However, this is NOT how you should teach kids to hit… lmfaooo. Contact & collision are 2 different types engagements. You could try to do this to someone who’s running the ball and you could be the one getting hurt and the ball runner may take off into daylight because he bounced right off of you. Usually how it goes, or both could suffer a severe injury. Be woke.
When you knock the player's mouth piece out.......disqualified!! 🤪
That was absolutely a legitimate block, and one hell of one at that
Announcers see the play 6 times: "Definitely helmet to helmet."
Yeah, I was arguing with my TV. I was glad to hear the ref say exactly what I was saying. "After further review, there was no targeting on the play"
@@nateandamber
There were points on the play. The injury doesn't matter if the points scored are in the preferred direction.
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@@kingrick4255
The rules say "A player leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area." That was obviously targeting.
@@FFE-js2zp sry bro that’s was clean play. The announcers had me scratching my head.
Clean hit in my opinion, knocked the soul right out of him.
Clean hit. Watching with an unbiased 👁… tackler clearly moves his head and face AWAY from the hit, the KINETIC energy is immediately transferred to the subject 👍 = BOOM💥🔥💥🔥
Knocked the soul out of him lol
Agreed
Wtf is the announcers looking at. Clean hit no targeting no crack-back block, just clean football
violent? yes! dirty? Nope
That was a legal hit. It was hard enough that they wanted to call some kind of penalty.
Old School football. If you don't want to take the hits. Don't put on the uniform.
Blindside block so no it was not legal.
100% legal hit
@@denniswebb341 Only person blind is you
@@denniswebb341 Play it in slow-mo.
Pretty soon we'll be watching 2 hand touch football, if that's what you call targeting
“You can see the helmet to helmet contact.” Um no I cannot 🤔😂😂
blind side block... but the blocker is literally running at the defender from the same direction as the ball carrier. HOW CAN THAT BE BLIND SIDE?
It was a bad call
Agreed ... the blind side rule as written in the league I officiate specifies that the direction of travel is parallel to or towards the blockers' own endzone. This blocker is going up field. Not a blindside block unless this US College rule book has vastly different wording.
You could also tell it wasn't helmet to helmet contact by the way the defender's helmet moved as soon as the hit was made... it snapped towards the blocker. A forceful hit to the head makes it snap away from the blocker.
@@Hassy171717 You've described a peelback block, which is only illegal in NCAA rules if it's below the waist. This is a blindside block as it's forcible contact made from outside the opponents field of vision - he's focused on the ball carrier and doing see him coming until the last moment.
Field of vision?... he hit him straight in the chest. The fact the defender didn't look 10 degrees to his left makes the hit illegal? It amuses me the rule makers wont just come out and say "big hits are illegal". Instead they come up with these insanely nuanced and subjective rules...I miss football. I remember when holding or blocks in the back was as complicated as it got.
@@AmirBrooks he was literally looking at him
That should be legal. He should've been paying attention if he didn't want to get laid out.
If the sport wants to survive into the future they need to remove any sort of helmet to helmet contact
@@moomooinc5798 Even if you penalize all such contact, in a collision sport like football, incidental helmet to helmet hits will always happen.
Unless you make football 2 hand touch or flag, there is no way to resolve this problem. It is inherent with tackling.
@@moomooinc5798 if they want to survive as a serious sport and not glorified arena football. They need to account for intent and realize mistake happens
@@lexfox2597 Football will survive. People that want to see players injured on every play need to just go away.
@@moomooinc5798 What you want football to be is called rugby, it’s a contact sport but not a violent sport. Why are you so concerned if someone else wants to do something risky? It doesn’t effect you at all. People sky dive and mountain bike and parkour and vert skate and surf and all sorts of other incredibly dangerous, risky sports. Why do you not have a problem with those but you do have a problem with football?
Football players know the risks of the game they play more than anyone. I can only imagine you want to feminize the game of football because it represents some sort of “toxic masculinity” to you.
What a ridiculous call. Shoulder-to-shoulder hit, in his field of vision, totally clean. A few years ago they'd have been saying what a great block it was.
Never heard announcers so wrong on a play they watch back 15 times 😂
He hit him, from the front, led with a shoulder, did not leave his feet, didn't target, did not blindside at all - this sport is ridiculous at this point. I get players safety but this was absolutely a clean football play, with no intention to cause harm and that call could have easily impacted the outcome of this game. When they take touchdowns off the board, this needs reviewed and penalties should be overturned. Idk how they supposedly did review it and called it a blindside block...I'm honestly baffled by this call, the booth review and the call standing.
They showed the replay over and over, even in slow motion AND those expert game announcers still claimed it was helmet to helmet.
The commentators were so confident that that was a helmet to helmet hit even though it was so clear that he hits him with his shoulder. They really let anybody step in the booth these days
Right?! He just shoulder checked him a lil bit.
They’re company men. They’re there to lie to your face. It’s the way the world operates these days.
@@teddyjackson1902 They are hack broadcasters. It's not exactly an NFL broadcast, not even big-name college. Who do you think they're going to get?
Seeing this in person was so wild. Traveled to see my cousin from GSU play. This hit was heard throughout the stadium. He was down for Atleast a minute, rocking his legs back and forth. We could all tell he was in pain so we were happy to see him walk it off. On the flip side, it was a clean block. GSU cheered for his walk-off and still boo’d the call. Dude was running and looking dead at him. We can all see that he folded and tried to brace for the hit. He seen him coming, just was terrified to take the full hit. Shoulder to shoulder. No blind side. The refs threw horrible calls the entire game. Hope he never officiates again.
Yes horrible call all around. Apparently clean big hits aren't allowed anymore. The pussification is nearly complete!
That was a clean block. No blind side. No targeting.
The game has gotten so soft
I always wondered if the tv broadcasters watch the replays and the answer is an obvious no... 🤣
No penalty. The guy saw him coming and even flinched and tightened up before the hit. And it definitely was not helmet to helmet or a launch. One guy was bringing smoke and one guy folded.
Refs are dumb and announcer is worse. You can clearly see no helmet contact, and the dude is hitting him almost head on.
This over penalizing hard hits just because they hard big hits, has got to stop.
The refs did exactly what they were supposed to do there actually. They called what they thought was targeting, and let the replay overturn the ejection. The penalty yardage has to stay though, that's how the rules are written. This is exactly how they are meant to handle it though.
That was a straight up solid block! It was not a blind side or targeting aka helmet to helmet! Please stop destroying sports ESPN!
Liberalism BS again
ESPN is a woke organization. Look at all the women they are pushing into football.
It was a horrible block. You never should block someone that high in that manner.
@@spi6455 what else you do stop and ask him not to tackle him?
@@tudfrey sports center is unwatchable these days. Not top 10 was on and I couldn't get to 8 before just muting the TV, turned it off by 5
Bro why does the ref sound Iike Christopher Walken😂
The ONLY way that was a blind side block is if the defender is BLIND...
That wasn’t targeting or blind side block. That was a penalty imposed by the refs because they’re too egotistical to just pick up the flag and accept that players are going to get hurt playing football. Tough shit zebra, we all willingly accepted it!
Are they allowed to pick up the flag? I know they can if they decide immediately after the play, but the review is for targeting not the penalty.
Not that it should be that way, I'm just curious if that's how it is.
@@DoAN1GHTMARE yes. Refs can wave off the penalties after throwing a flag.
@@DoAN1GHTMARE You are correct, they can decide there is no penalty prior to the announcement. However, in the case of targeting, the review can only negate the ejection, not the yards.
Are these announcers blind? They're watching the same replay we are, right?
dude didnt lower his shoulder or leave the ground/launch himself, he just blocked him, that's it. I swear, this game is getting so nitpicky that in a few years, they'll be reviewing if a players hands are an inch too far outside the players shoulder pads, for holding calls
As fast as they were going, and with his head snapping back after the block, the Refs probably saw that and went 'Helmet to Helmet'. The refs did the correct call about blindside block and the replay team got it right with reversing the targeting.
No helmet to helmet and might as well start playing flag football the way these rules are.
Dude is already in next week celebrating New Years
That was a good football play. The defender had line of sight to the blocker, the block was shoulder to shoulder. Violence happens in football, despite candy-ass officiating.
Literally a perfect block. That’s what coaches teach
"it doesn't constitute targeting, but it was still a really hard hit so we need to call something. Ah! call a blindside block"
Ref: Someone lost their mouth guard, must be a penalty
You know it’s bad when the mouthpiece flies out!
it's football. if you want to protect them them remove helmets and pads. you won't see people leading with their head if you remove helmets.
@@MooseMeus I’ve heard that before that players play more dangerous due to the equipment that “protects” them take it away the game will be 100% different and the helmets people use them as weapons
This was easily one of the worse targeting calls I’ve ever seen
worst
@@tedrowland8672 sorry teddy
Nice block. Mouthpiece went flying too
The Ball State player didn’t hav his mouthpiece in his mouth to begin with. It was just hanging off his helmet by its connector.
@@taustin266 something flew whatever it was
@@AlBeQuirky yea it was the mouthpiece but he didn’t have it in his mouth. It wasn’t knocked out of his mouth, just off his helmet.
You can tell the network heads have told the commentators to avoid calling praise to any type of physical plays or hard hits. I’ve noticed this a lot in football over the last couple of years.
In honor of Madden.....where'd that truck come from!?!?!
Not sure what they're looking at but there was no helmet to helmet here. The guys head moves freely toward the blocker. It was all shoulder.
This is a perfect example of targeting as a broadcasting-driven penalty. Overturning was the proper decision, assessing a PF for a blindside block was not. Throwing a block while running in the same direction as the ball carrier and the defender cannot, by definition, be a blindside block. It is abundantly clear that the blocker made contact with his shoulder pads (and made a conscious decision to avoid anything approaching targeting). The defender's head snapping back as it did is simply a matter of physics. In this one play we have a bad call, followed by a good call, followed by a bad call. This clip doesn't show how bad the broadcasters hyped the targeting because it is edited to show only the highlights of the play/call. It was even worse live.
I guess "Blind side" now means anyone not approaching at 12 o'clock. Do you have to declare prior to the snap which player you plan on blocking too? In written form?
R.I.P to the defensive players mouth piece!! 💀 ☠ 💀
Throw the flag!! He's playing football!! WTF is he thinking?!?! Lol smh 🤦
Are these announcers blind? He clearly hit him with his left shoulder.
True, although it is worth noting that shoulder to head contact could be targeting if the player was determined to be in a defenseless state, like in the case of a blind side block. That is likely what the original call was for.
They had too much ego to admit that their initial belief was wrong. Smh...
Great block in my opinion. The defender saw the block coming and let up before getting crushed. I'm not sure what the guys in the booth are looking at but there was no helmet to helmet contact.
“Helmet to helmet to contact” literally hits dude right in the chest lol and how is it a blindside block when you block someone from the front?
They threw that flash cause let’s be honest he saw God in that moment 🤣
It is not targeting because the defender is not defenseless and the contact was not helmet to helmet and it is not a blind side block because the Georgia State player is not blocking back towards the opposite end zone, he is blocking forward. It was a big hit, but a clean one.
So….. they tried to toss him for targeting, didn’t get to do thst, it ended up being a penalty for hitting too hard
In no way was that block a penalty, that’s not even a crack back, that’s hussle by the blocker to get ahead of the ball carrier on that. In real time I could tell this wasn’t a targeting call, good clean block!!
Sigh. We used to be taught to “keep your head on a swivel”. It was correctly not ruled targeting as he didn’t lead with, not hit the other players helmet.
That’s shoulder to shoulder hit clearly god I wish the targeting rule would go away it’s so stupid I miss players getting there helmets knocked off im old school so yeah
The announcers have no idea how to play football that was clean he should’ve been paying attention
guy CLEARLY hit him with his shoulder. crackback block is a so-so call, definitely wasn't targeting.
Dude, it’s a clean hit. It’s also a non blindside block, as you can see the defender seeing him at the last second and bracing for impact before getting leveled. It’s not targeting because it’s quite clear that no helmet to helmet contact was visible. The blocker lowered the shoulder on his chest area and let physics do the rest. At this point, they should just make a rule stating “If it looked hard, penalize the man who laid down the hammer.” At least it would make sense.
Definitely not targeting, but felt like the refs wanted a call to justify the flag. That was a grey area as far as blindside blocks go. I've seen similar blocks called for it or not called basically equally as often. My gut says probably it's right, but I think it only got flagged because of how violent it was.
How the fuck is it a grey area? He was looking RIGHT at him
There was no grey area. Tired of officials and politicians telling us not to believe our eyeballs. It’s absurd.
@@teddyjackson1902 There's always that guy who wants to inject politics where they don't belong. Congrats, you are the worst.
@@TeemoQuinton I've seen that exact angle flagged at all levels is all I'm saying. Why does a call in a trash-tier bowl by what I've already conceded are awful refs padding their bruised egos affect you so much? Go touch grass.
wtf what game was the announcer watching? It was definitely not head to head this guy 😂😂
Announcer: you can see the helmet to helmet contact
Actual video : nah he led with his shoulder in a good block
Not targeting
They got it right!
Clean block!! Hard hitting play and whoever is calling the game probably never played before. Where was the helmet to helmet? I'm confused on that. I saw his shoulder hit the chest of the other player. Soft a$$ refs and soft a$$ commentators.
*ass
This would have been the perfect opportunity for the ref to whip out "There is no flag on the play, the defender was simply overpowered."
The only thing I saw were the refs were butthurt it was such a hard clean hit..
There will be hell to pay for that bad call.
- defense saw hit coming
- shoulder to shoulder hit
Not targeting.
Not blindside.
Perfect block.
Some of these announcer have no clue what they talking about. There was clearly no targeting and no blindside
WHAT were the announcers looking at?
Reminds me of a hockey player getting creamed by keeping their head down. Protect yourself at all times.
After over 10 years of playing football and 30 years of watching it... I can no longer understand it whatsoever. Total mystery... Either the game has changed, or my CTE is going into overdrive.
That flying mouth guard had more yards than any other Ball State player
Lol that was all shoulder. No helmet at all, what are the announcers talking about 😂
Love how they had to check every camera angle and still couldn't find the helmet to helmet contact
LMFAOO he said we can see the helmet to helmet but where!!!!????
That announcer was 100% WRONG. Not only did the defensive back see that hit coming, he turned his body preparing for the hit. The block was clean and nothing but shoulder and his head moved like that (forward and back) due to the hit. There shouldn't have been a penalty at all.
we used to get stickers for our helmets for hits like that. We called them De Cleaters lol
23-year official here. Not familiar with the NCAA subtleties (worked Canadian and NFHS). I saw this as a clean hit.
As I personally know FBS officials, this is NOT targeting. Shoulder to shoulder contact
I mean what else can they do? Hahahahah WHAT ELSE CAN YOU TAKE FROM US #lettheboysplay
One of the worst calls I've seen all season. Refs couldn't admit they were wrong and pick up the flag. Ball St player was jogging half-speed and got leveled by a Georgia St player going full speed. The commentators got by blood boiling, too.
Why the ref got that extra shmedium shirt on though😂😂
Clean hit. No helmet to helmet, no launching. Perfectly fine. He didn’t even drive thru the hit… he bounced off of it and fell back too
Looked clean to me… all coaches say “Keep your head on a swivel!”
"Targeting"? No helmet to helmet. No crack back. The blocker was right in front of the defender, crossed in front of the ball carrier, no blindside.
How did you not see that block coming? That's football, son.