Who Is the GOAT Character of the Competitive Super Smash Bros Series?
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- In today's video I talk about who is the GOAT competitive character of the Super Smash Bros Smash series. Fox and Pikachu are the only 2 characters that have been good in just about every Smash game. I discuss how good they are in Super Smash Bros. 64, Melee, Brawl, Wii and 3DS aka Smash 4, and Ultimate then conclude who is the GOAT in my opinion.
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Obviously we are only considering characters that’s in all games, but Diddy Kong’s consistency is crazy.
Her Ultimate nerfs have hurt her argument, but ZSS also deserves a mention. She has won a supermajor in every game, all with different players.
Very true.
If we were to include characters who've been in at least 3 games, (No Pichu, Yink, Snake, Squirtle, Ivy, Wolf + All Sm4sh's & Ult's Newcomers)
he'd be a contender.
A Top 10 list would probably look something like this (not ordered)
-Fox
-Pika
-Peach
-Marth
-MK
-ZSS
-Diddy
-Sonic
-Olimar
-ROB
HM: Yoshi, Falcon, Icies, Sheik, Falco
@haruhidaso agreed. Sheik as well!!
@@MrGameguyC I'd throw Captain Falcon in there as well, yeah he sucked in Brawl but he's been in all five games and been good in four of them
Esam with hair is the most cursed thing I've seen in a while.
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FUN LARRY FACT: Larry’s favourite character to play in smash history is smash 4 Fox
Great video! Would like to see a similar video about maybe stages or low tiers or something
Cries in ganondorf
probably fox
Probably Pikachu
3-2 for Fox, imo. Pika had 64 and Brawl over Fox easily. But Fox IS Melee, he was an undisputed top 10 in Smash 4 and arguably has more consistent results in Ultimate, while also having similar if not better peaks/wins than Pikachu.
This was a lot closest then I thought it was.
It really depends how you see the games and I completely understand valuing Fox's numerous peaks.
I personally still give the edge to Pika due Fox's debatable viability in Brawl, while Pika has been consistently viable in all games.
But hey, not gonna argue 2 Legends can't co-exist. lol
Pikachu isn't great in melee, though. Because of that, I think Fox's peaks give him the overall edge.
Fox is definitely viable in brawl. He’s definitely not as good as pikachu but he has plenty of tools and is underrated imo. In fact I think he’s only slightly worse than dedede (who reminder is very good, having an even matchup with snake and only losing more than 60/40 to MK and Icies).
@@Legendary_Honeyyeah pikachu is hard carried by axe who I would argue might even be better if he didn’t play him. Like if he focused on falco I could see him having more success (unlike Esam who more so complements the character rather than is held back by it).
Love both of these characters super fun to play as and watch competitively. If any two original characters were gonna be the best I think pika and fox were good choices :)
The GOAT of course is Larry Lurr
For a Worst of All Time Character, it'd probably be Link:
-Bottom Tier in 64 & Brawl
-Low Tier in Melee
-Mid Tier in Sm4sh & Ult
DK is a close second and his tier placements are very debatable:
-Low Tier in 64 & Brawl
-Low-Mid Tier in Melee & Ult
-Upper-Mid or Low-High in Sm4sh
Depends on how pessimistic you are on DK I suppose.
My mind immediately went to ganon but I suppose him not appearing until melee and being a mid tier in that game saved him
Personally id go for link
@@boomstickYT If we were to do say 3 minimal appearances, yeah it's totally Ganon.
@@MrGameguyC I think Zelda has to be in the talks for worst as well
@@vrimb1 Yeah, very close.
Absolutely amazing video larry, you did a really great job researching it and i enjoyed it thoroughly✨
The goat of competitive smash has already been discovered it’s MKleo come on now!?
Pikachu wins and anyone who doesn't play him is a coward
20 frames of intangibility on quick attack, why they get rid of that :D
Excellent video, wouldn’t mind seeing one for characters in 2+ games. Or 3+ games. But this kind of content in general is great!
Between Luigi and Mario, I definitely think that Luigi has had better character abilities overall throughout the Smash series. While it's true that Mario did rank higher than Luigi did in Smash 64, Smash 4, and Ultimate, Luigi still had a better performance in 3 out of 5 Smash titles (Melee, Smash 4, and Ultimate). Whereas Mario was only truly good in 2 out of 5 Smash titles (Smash 4, Ultimate). Plus, Luigi was definitely a much better Low Tier in Smash 64 than Mario was in Brawl by a long shot. Luigi had one broken (Uppercut) move in Smash 64 whereas Mario doesn't have any type of broken moves in Brawl. In the first three Smash titles, Mario was an average Joe Mid Tier in Smash 64 and Melee, but he was freaking pretty bad in Brawl. In Luigi's case, he was pretty good in Melee, but he wasn't as good in Smash 64 and Brawl. Overall, I can say that both Luigi's and Mario's worst performance was in Brawl. Since Luigi's two most overpowered moves (Uppercut and Drill Kick) were heavily toned down in Brawl. In contrast, both Luigi and Mario were at their very best in Smash 4. LOL You would naturally think that Luigi would have the worst performance in Smash 64 just because that he's still placed last on the Tier List, but Smash 64 was much more balanced as a fighting game than Melee and Brawl were.
I have thought about this A LOT and I honestly came to almost the exact same conclusion, I give a slight edge to Fox.
That being said, as a 64 Fox main for about two years back in 2014-2015ish, my most prominent memories of despair are being sent offstage by Pika players and knowing that, no matter the distance, they can chase me, take the stock, and safely recover.
I would have said Captain Falcon but this video seems more focused on results and tiers rather than hype and fun. Which is agreeable and makes sense... but Captain Falcon is so ICONIC
Great video man, I love these analytical videos.
Hope to see more!
I think other characters that could be in the convo that arent in all the games but are in 3 or more are zss, falco, diddy kong and ice climbers. I still think pika and fox are the goats tho. Y'all know anyone else who could be in the convo?
Sonic??
@@aymenjbailiSonic is low tier in Brawl
Falco was too ass in smash 4 too be considered one of the goats.
He wasorevof high mid tier part of the better half of the roster
Peach, Olimar and Marth as well
Ngl I think it’s fox just cause I think he’s underrated in the games he’s allegedly a dud in anyways (brawl and 64). I’m brawl he is criminally underrated and high mid tier Imo and in 64 he arguably has the best potential in the game. Falco definitely would be if smash 4 and ultimately didn’t nerf him to the ground, but given that he’s not even close. A lot of the enduring brawl top tiers (Diddy mainly) I think are cheating, not being in the original 2 games. The character with the best argument against fox is pikachu, but his legacy being carried by 1 or 2 players in every game but 64 doesn’t do him any favors imo. Also falcon is just too shitty in brawl to be in the convo imo. I could see it being either fox or pikachu tho, if not maybe peach or sheik (who I forgot to mention, but their reasonings for and against them are self explanatory).
I feel like Marth has always been super good up until ultimate but he’s a mid tier in that game so he’s not even that bad.
He went from #2/3/4 in Melee to #5 in Brawl to like #12 in Smash 4 that’s crazy
imo Pikachu is the goat but it's cool how both of them have been pretty consistent for 25 years now and I hope if there's another smash game those 2 continue to stay relevant. Great video Larry
So... video on WOAT (Worst of All Time) next to clickbait a bunch of people?
I forgetting how broken pikachu is until I play against them it see someone playing them.
Fox
Pidakew is the mascot of pokemon.
Fox is the mascot of smash.
Honestly it should easily be falcon considering he’s the only character people associate with smash more than the game he’s from
Pikachu
Brawl decided it tbh
I feel like Fox has more players. Everyone has a pocket Fox.
Smash 64: Pika is indisputably the best character in the game in a tier of his own (S+ tier), Fox is a B-tier
Melee: Fox is the best character but not enough separation (S-tier), Pika is a B-tier
Brawl: Pika is an A-tier, Fox is a B-tier
Smash 4: Pika and Fox are both S-tier (Bayo/Cloud were S+ tier)
Ultimate: Pika and Fox are both S-tier (both top 10-15 characters IMO)
OVERALL: Pika beats out Fox but it's close. I think Brawl puts Pika over the top. Fox wasn't very competitive in Brawl and Pika has had top players with results in every single Smash game.
I would say in terms of their peak you have it backwards. 64 is a far more balanced game then melee and pikachu by no means has a choke hold over the game. Melee on the other hand is basically ruled by the top 5 with a few scattered exceptions (one of those being pikachu) and among the top 5 fox is probably the best (though admittedly not by much). I think the difference is that while fox doesn’t smother the roaster, the top position in melee he has is significantly “stronger” than the 64 one pikachu has, which seems to be the opposite of what you’re implying. Pikachu arguably even loses a matchup (falcon) while fox almost certainly doesn’t. Also fox is underrated if he’s B tier in 64 tbh, he’s definitely top 4 imo, like MAYBE Yoshi is better but that’s a big maybe, and everything else is either a wash or pikachu falcon and Kirby (who are all admittedly better than him).
Not entirely sure. Fox isn’t very viable anymore in 64. Fox is also worse in brawl than pika is in any smash game.
Why do you say that? Fox isn't even that far from Pika on the tier list, and he has plenty of tools to stay relevant. That completely changes with Melee. Fox completely eclipses Pika. Even with the addition of more characters in Brawl, there is a much bigger gap of characters between Fox and Pika in Melee than in Brawl.
pretty interesting discussion. it's really close
So we all know that fox and pika are the goats of smash but who would number 3 be? Falcon, Samus, Luigi, and Yoshi all could take it.
All of them kinda suck in Brawl but let's look at what they've got going for them in other games
64: Falcon, Samus, Yoshi have all won majors. Luigi is considered the worst character in the game.
Melee: Falcon and Yoshi have won majors, Samus and Luigi have had big wins but never at that level.
4: None of the four have won a major, with Luigi and Falcon considered high tiers, while Yoshi and Samus are mid tiers. Yoshi in particular suffered from bad matchups against DLC characters.
Ultimate: Yoshi has won a major. Samus, Captain Falcon, and Luigi have managed regional success.
Given that a Yoshi player has won a major in 3/5 Smash games (64: Wizzrobe, Kurabba. Melee: aMSa. Ultimate: Yoshidora.) I'd rank Yoshi as the 3rd best overall, though any of the others (with the exception of Luigi in 64) could likely make a good run.
I say Falcon or Yoshi for three.
@@eulerization995 I can get behind yoshi, but I think if we can get a Falcon to win a major in Ult or Samus to win in Melee. It would be a bit more of a discussion
Falcon and Samus are terrible in Brawl though
@@SonicTheCutehog Literally everyone from the original 64 roster besides fox and pika are D tier or lower in brawl. That’s why I feel for number 3 brawl can kinda be ignored
whos the WORST of all time tho? Smash 64 has kirby and puff who suck in most games but have been S tier once, Link has been a low mid tier in pretty much every game so its debatable but i think we should expand to the melee roster for this conversation. Both ganon and Zelda have been bottom 3 in 3 out of the 4 games they are in, it comes down melee ganon and ultimate zelda (their only non bottom tier appearances)
Wdym puff sucks in most games? puff is good in 3 games and bad in 2 lol
just had to show the alex19 shine 😂
It's pikachu.
I think the goat is DK just cause he Monke
you forgot Steve
fox and pika are def the best choices but there are some other arguments/honorable mentions imo-diddy has been crazy in every appearance even though he hasn't been in every game (3-5 top tier is still nice tho). Marth is so close to being up here but ultimate killed his streak which is sad, but hes def worth mentioning.
which character has won more majors? super majors? pretty sure its fox . fox is better lol
It's just Esam pushing that propaganda, Fox has proven to be more consistent over time
My dumbass heavy brain almost didn’t click this video because I saw these two. Then I remembered I like falco and it’s a Larry vid so we in here.
Have had this conversation several times, but never with this much detail😅 can't speak to comp brawl and 4 well, but between the rest it feels like a wash. Personal opinion is that fox has more potential across these games tho
fox.
You guys shouldn't sleep on Samus
If we consider characters that have been in smash since brawl it’s Diddy Kong because he has never dipped below A tier
Normally the algorithm does not spit out competitive smash videos like this. But I am very happy that it did today. +1
Rob 🐐
10 seconds in. I already know it’s fox.
META KNIGHT
Wait why did fox up-tilt ever two frame!?
I’m so happy the lions won
Both
Imo, Fox!
gotta be my man Minecraft Steve 💪
To me it's Fox.
Kirby
Steve
Gotta be Fox.
Feel like puff and yoshi should at least be mentioned
Puff should definitely not be mentioned, she's been bottom tier in 2 games lol. Yoshi is debatably 3rd behind Fox and Pikachu(could be behind Falcon), but it's clear he's not in the running for GOAT because of his tier placements in Brawl and Smash 4(considered D in both, maybe C in 4) so I don't really see a point in mentioning him
I think Mario definitely comes before Yoshi regardless, unlike Yoshi, he only has one very low placement and that’s in brawl in every other game he’s mid tier or higher (64-mid, melee-mid, brawl-bottom, smash 4-top, ultimate-high)
@@LarryLurr i see thanks big Larr appreciate the content