“I like your spirit but try that again and things won’t end well for you” Belos is a really menacing and imposing villain definitely like how interesting they’re making him.
something that helps make him scary (in my opinion) is how he barely moves. sometimes if he wasn't speaking you would think he was just a mannequin. in fact it doesn't even look like he's breathing sometimes
I always thought the idea of belos being a dark reflection of luz was fascinating as a commentary on the difference between older vs modern Isekai fiction Luz is a modern Isekai protagonist who just wants to escape modernity and just wallow in the worldbuilding Belos meanwhile is a classic escapist hero like John Carter of mars who comes to a new world, becomes a hero, and takes power
I've always found the idea of Belos being Luz's "dark reflection" interesting; but I never made the connection between "modern Isekai protagonist" and the "classic escapist hero" until now.
I never thought of that before. That's actually an amazing analysis. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if that's what Dana was going for there. Though, I think it's more male isekai protagonist (new and old) vs female modern ones. As someone who read the first John Carter of Mars book, I think that's an apt way to describe him. He's a strong man, gifted with the ability to "jump good" when he reaches that planet (along with telepathy for some reason), which pretty much allows him to power through the plot with no effort and becomes the king of Mars by taking power for himself. He constantly boasts about how strong, handsome and awesome he is like a z list Gaston. Add in the fact that he's a Confederate General, and is a racist asshole, even if he tries to deny it, and would've easily could've been the villain instead of the hero in a modern version of the tale. John Carter influenced a lot of genres, even indirectly, including modern isekai male leads. Even in modern anime they tend to be like that as well due to that adding to the wish fulfillment fantasy on its audience of teenaged boys. Think Kirito, Ainz Ooal Gown, Sora or Diablo. (Though there are exceptions like Naofumi, Subaru and Slime-kun.) Female isekai leads tend to work harder and have to earn that. In the cases of Luz and older isekai female heroines like Alice and Dorthy, have to decide if they want to go home or not.
Okay, so hear me out: Belos may be a human who tried to give himself a bile sack thanks to experimenting with Palismans-he succeeded, but that gave him that curse. OR so somewhat the opposite-he’s an Isles native who became somewhat obsessed with the human realm thanks to it having no wild magic or something and tried to get rid of his bile sack. Either way, the reason he wants to unite the Isles with the Human Realm might be that it would allow the two halves of him to stop fighting and he would no longer have his affliction.
Very nice chain of reasoning. I just posted a somewhat different theory, but it would not entirely counter yours. Should be fun to see how this plays out.
For me, belos works where white diamond and horde prime failed. He comes off as a concerned and benevolent parent who'd rip out your guts because it was " foy our own good, why are you being so unreasonable about this?"
From the newest episode - yeah that just grew to a new height of terrifying and loathesome. Well done writing team for creating such a fantastic and evil villain!
I feel like Belos giving Owlbert to Lilith was a test of her loyalty after he went back on his word. She didn’t destroy him and vowed to help Luz, so in his mind she failed. He probably intended to take Owlbert from Luz once he beat her, but she got the best of him.
Belos reminds me of a quote from one of the Skulduggery Pleasant books on the character of Tesseract. Something about the terrifying way someone speaks about violence as if it was an afterthought. He can make a threat and sound like it’s a fact. He considers a fight to be a game.
I just realized that both Luz and Amity do a similar thing when fighting for the portal/the key when fighting someone for it. Luz hands the portal to Belos but had a sneaky plan of destroying it and Amity gave Hunter the key but she broke it first. Both made it not as easy for the other one to succeed because people they love and care for are in danger
Maybe having the Palismen is supposed to be like an unhealthy coping mechanism? I dunno, I used have one for my misophonia, but I never used it unless it starting acting up. Maybe that’s why Belos seems to only take a palisman when the curse starts to become active or cause immediate problems. Still doesn’t explain why he didn’t just tell Lilith to store Owlbert with the other palisman reserves though, so maybe not
One of the things I noticed about Belos and his curse, is how Hunter tries to defend his actions and "what the curse makes him do", this could be interpreted as an allegory for mental illness, and how there's no justification for being an Abusive Caretaker. We can see this with Eda and Belos, both have a "curse", but Eda would never dream of hurting Luz, while Belos guilts Hunter into thinking that if he hurts him, then it was Hunter's fault, since Belos can't "control himself" bc of his curse. Eda takes care of her curse, taking it easy on herself and acknowledging her limits, proving that you can live with a curse without being a danger to yourself or others, but Belos won't do this.
Belos/Philip's curse is quite diffrent. He needs to murder palismen to survive and yea.... We'll get more explanation for his behavior once we see the backstory of him/his brother, I'm assuming his brother died somehow related to wild magic (and also belos got cursed somehow related to wild magic) which made him hate wild magic and seek revange which made him a bad person over time
The really scary part is that to me he seems to know who his enemies are, where they are, who their allies /friends are and where they are since ether his higher ups have seen them (like Kikimora seeing Amity helping Luz) and there was foot soldiers led by Lilith to the Owl House, and yet has never acted on such information.
There are two moments that totally sold Belos as a threat to me. The first is when the trio are in the relic room and are talking about how they plan to grab the healing hat, help Eda and bring it back before anyone knows its gone. The second after they say this, Belos' voice calls out in a calm and sibilant "I will know." It was just chilling! He has no physical presence in the scene, but you can tell that everyone in that room feels his gaze and the power behind it. Second was when Luz confronts him and tries to threaten him with her ice. He doesn't even really react to it, he just sits there for a second. When he does decide to react, he doesn't lash out with anger at this upstart human trying to threaten him; no, he dissolves and reforms behind Luz and simply says: "OK, I'll play." and then proceeds to show Luz why he is not a man to mess with. Just, damn man!
Very good analysis here on Belos I stated before that I think the writers made the right choice in making Belos look kinda handsome without his mask on. Sure,he's not Brad Pitt or Chris Hemsworth and the green scar is distracting but put some foundation on and he'll look even better. As for his "parenting" skills... if he doesn't own up,change for better,apologize to Hunter,take a parenting class,read books on parenting or (if they exist in the Boiling Isles) go to family therapy,Eda or Camila or even Gwen better adopt Hunter because if even a blind man can tell that Hunter IS NOT safe with Belos. Belos can claim "the curse made me do it" or "I had a bad day" or "I'm stressed out from ruling this government" as much as he likes. In the end,someone in the Royal Family has to act like an adult and it clearly isn't Belos. I don't care what time period he grew up because here and now, Belos is supposed to be an adult. Not only is he supposed to be the mature one but last time I checked,adults are supposed to own up to their bad decisions and change for the better. Grimwalker or not, Hunter is a part of his family. Personally,I think the notch in Hunter's ear is similar to the one on Belos' ear so there's a chance that it is just something that is hereditary more than it is a scar. Plus, Belos' hair is similar in color but the styles are different slightly so maybe they really are related; the different noses and hair is kind of an obvious sign that Hunter is not a Grimwalker clone of Belos himself. Nothing he says will excuse his abuse towards Hunter. Hunter wants his uncle to get better from his curse and Belos is a coward and a bully for shutting Hunter down and threatening him the way he does. Hunter unconditionally loves his uncle and Belos is taking advantage of that; he doesn't deserve Hunter. I probably said this before but, I can't wait for Eda, Luz,Lilith,Gwen, Camila or anyone to kick Belos' British* ass. (*I'm aware that Matthew Rhys is Welsh but, I think you get the point.) As a villain,he's intriguing,scary yet handsome without his mask and I wanna know more about. As parental figure, he'd better shape up or else Harpy Eda will rearrange his spine.
Considering the implications with hunter being a grimwalker (a clone) and that his relationship to belos as nephew/uncle. I think its way more likely belos is meant to be philip himself then a descendent or anything. Philip's brother is identical to hunter outside of his ears and red eyes ( the red eyes are implied to be a grimwalker thing), so if he cloned his brother then yeah.....technically in a weird way that makes hunter his bio nephew. Also makes far more sense narrative wise because the brother is hinted to be rascal's original owner and cardinals represent dead family members watching over you. So hunter having rascal around is equivalent to almost having the brother (whose technically his father) watching over him. Its also this, if belos was literally any other guy, just some dude we don't know, then really.....its not gonna matter to luz or anyone on the good side. But if he's philip, someone luz knows and trusted to help her, that breaks her world, because philip never made it home and he went from being this adventurer like her to well....belos. Even belos's ears, they're the tiniest ears on the show, they don't look natural and it seems far more likely they were cropped from their original round shape. There's more then just this, like the parallels between the brothers, and clawthorne sisters, that are being implied (cursed younger sibling, older strict sibling). The Implications that philip became belos, that something happened with his brother, and that he created hunter from his brother is being very well implied and whether obvious or not, is being very well hinted throughout the show. Its not confirmed, but it makes way more sense narrative wise then to set up a descendent character for this Seeing philip turn from a curious young man into THIS could be genuinely sad and fascinating and it would explain so much surrounding him.
You should do a follow up on this on what you think of Belos after all the reveals in Hollow Mind and on what you think of The Collector and what you think of their relations as villains. I'd love to see a vid like that.
The owl house crew have taken a very Tolkien's way of revealing information in the show purticuly when Belos is involved where in for every question answered 5 to 10 more arise. Also I don't believe that that's the actual heart of the titan nor bile sack either as one the titan is massive to the point where even if the heart decreases in size do to decomposition it would still take up the size of the entire castle or more and same goes for the bile sack I think it's just the heart of a giant that's used as a trophy and for intimidation as Belos seems to be a bit theatrical when in the presence of normal people.
Bells does a lot more down right creepy stuff while bill is more of a con artist and just does scary stuff for his own amusement or to lure and manipulate someone into a bad deal, they have a charm unique to them that isn’t found in many other villains.
"Something that sets cartoon apart from each other, usually isn't their world building, or their morals, it's their villains. [presents a clip of Bill Cipher] An interesting villain tends to define a show, or it does so for me." To quote Carnage as my reaction to this statement: "OH MAMA, Something tells me that you're my kind of girl!" But comic quotes aside, I completely agree, and the fact you used Bill (my fav villain in all of fiction) while saying that, only makes it more relatable.
“Any Interpretations” Hey ferb I think I know what Were going to do today.- *Lol no for real. I like the idea of the owl house having different interpretations on how the Fans see it.* Great video! 😊
I hope the whole "I don't want to actually invade the human realm" thing pays off. The Isles are the size of Vermont, so an actual military invasion of the entire world is logistically unfeasible. I hope he just wants to steal Connecticut, or maybe replace Earth's physics system with those of the Boiling Isles, or something.
My theory is that Belos is a human who drank titan’s blood to try and get magic, but got cursed as a side effect. I think it also might explain why he can (or thinks he can) speak to the titan.
I think belos may actually a human his ears are significantly smaller than any other whitch even the adult one it almost looks like he chopped his ear in half so he would look more like one of them (Edit):I'm like 99% sure of this now that "elsewhere and elsewhen" has come out the show basicly flat out showed us that he is) (Edit 2):so it has been fully conformed in hollow mind(which was a very traumatic episode)that he is actually a human so yay I was right before it was conformed!
I've been thinking about Belos' curse and a few things are starting to come together. Putting aside the controversy over who Belos actually is for the moment (Phillip, his brother, or the witch who brought them to the Boiling Isles?) , We have seen the notes on how to create something called a Grimwalker. Also remember the episode "Once Upon a Switch"? A lot of folks believe that either Belos or Hunter are grimwalkers (or that both are) and there is some merit to that idea. What if Belos is, indeed a grimwalker and whoever he really is used Body Swap magic to inhabit said grimwalker to prolong his life. We saw that Eda had no magic of her own while in King's body and was only able to swap back by using Owlbert, so no matter who Belos is, he is in a body with no innate magic of its own. How he got there may yet be revealed, but the point I'm meandering toward is that he has probably been in that body a long time and it looks like it is getting old. What happens when a grimwalker ages? We do not know, but perhaps it start decaying into the mush we see Belos is becoming. This also means he is a very desperate person at this point, hoping to hold out until the Day of Unity. Stay tuned!
Just want to say that there are cases where people have died from withdrawals by quitting cold turkey. I don't remember all the details but I think in some cases they have a fatal heart attack from it or something. So if they are likening his affliction to addiction, it would still make sense that he can't stop feeding it at this point (and honestly the way he behaves actually does very much remind me of how a former roommate of mine who was an alcoholic and would get very angry and violent when he drank or was going through hard withdrawals). A lot of how you described him still holds up even now with more screentime from him and the series getting closer to the end. Honestly he's only become more fascinating and terrifying as the show's gone on.
I'm not sure I like the idea of him being well intentioned. Cus that makes me worry about them redeeming him, I'm really sick of villans getting redeemed to be honest
I still think he's half human half witch. Maybe he was a little evil as a child, so his father decided he was too dangerous for the human realm, so he sent him back. Then Belos was rejected by his mother or maybe she was killed along with Hunter's parents, so he came to the conclusion that magic was the problem so he decided to limit it. He has a staff because it helps him with the most powerful spells because he isn't as strong as full witches. And he's trying to create a door because he's mad at humans, thinks they're weak because of his father. Also, in an attempt to become strong, maybe he cursed himself, and he keeps it at bay with the palisman juices.
"Did he just hide glyphs up his sleeves" ended up being comically on-point. Yes, he really was using glyph magic. We see Luz use the same glyphs when testing stuff she found in Phillip's diary. He just figured out how to make glyphs appear on his own skin rather than having to write them.
SPOILER Belos' plan is to commit witch genocide because he's a Salem witch trials weirdo, he needs the portal to go home after all the witches are dead. The merging of the realms idea is likely just to placate the coven heads.
Bill chiper didn’t wanted to merge he just destroyed his own universe until there was nothing left so he wanted to play somewhere else the portal was just for him and his friends to come to this universe from the other one
Bill already destroyed his dimension then moved to the nightmare realm. Which is the realm between all dimensions that has no laws of physics. Which bill wants to fuse with the third dimension do to it being unstable.
I like to think that Belos actually does care about Hunter some what, he didn’t have to indulge him in stories about the human realm but he did, he could have just told him to go back to his room and put a spell on the room so he couldn’t get back in but he didn’t.
With Belos' VA, Matthew Rhys, saying Belos is misunderstood, not evil, that's exactly what Belos would say. To that, I said, "Thou liest, shag-eared villain!" But with reflection, I’m sure he meant that Belos would be considered a hero in his native time, but in the 21st century, he would be considered the villain.
In terms of mannerisms and demeanor, my closest comparison to Belos is Horde Prime from She-Ra with his cult like set up and authoritarian regime. Currently my guess for why he's so inactive is a mix how if he did get more active it would make his own coven look less effective if he has too do all the work, and because his curse makes it too dangerous. His authoritarian regime isn't going to last long if everyone sees how vulnerable he is.
Belos kinda reminds me of Ozi to an extent. At least with taking time to reveal the character and show his face. Both have so many ppl willing to trust their word and follow them
I wonder if there is something about the Clawthorn carved Palasmin that makes it impossible for Belos to consume. After all she orders Owlbert to be destroyed not stored or just consumed right away and we know from Gus and Willow from (ok I forgot the episode name but it's the one where Bat Queen put Luz on a rigged trial for scaring and hiding Owlbert) one of them mentioned that Owlbert was very powerful. So that should have made eating him or saving him for a special occasion like a rare treat more tempting not less. And Lilith was the only one in the Emperor's Coven allowed to have a Palasmin staff when we learned from Steve and Hunter's words in Hunting Palasmin that Helps likes to collect everyone's Palamins and save them for Belos to eat. And it's been speculated that Caleb was married to and had kids with Gwen's great grandmother. And yet when Belos killed Caleb he didn't eat Flap Jack and he certainly knew of his existence because he recognized him in Hunter's hands right away. I don't know what could be different about them but it's weird these connections to Palasmin Belos had a chance to devour but doesn't.
Belos hated Evelyn with every fiber of his bones that it wouldn't surprise if he refused to consume the palismen of the Clawthrone out of spite. After all, he hates the idea of using Wild Magic to heal his curse despite the benefits.
@@evanbao93 before yesterday I would agree with you but yesterday I rewatched Thanks to them and saw Bellos did try to eat Flapjack but on the first taste he recoiled which is how he eacaped
I think he might have revenge on his mind. Mainly because if the line "our family is gone because if wild magic". Maybe he got revenge on those who took his family, but after that he wasn't satisfied so he kept hunting them down under the guise of carrying out the will of the titan and it got him to where he is now. A tyrant who can't let go of his pain and thirst for revenge. Or at least that's my theory
Here's my guess as to what belos actually is, he's the human version of eda, while philip was lilith. So 2 humans fall into the boiling isles, one, philip, starts doing magic the "proper" way, categorizing and inventing portals and stuff, bringing science to magic, meanwhile belos is just cheating and stealing, eventually getting cursed by the beast lady in the robe, accidentally killing philip in a fit. Now he needs the day of unity to resurrect his bro in hunter's clone body and using the coven system as a twisted version if making sure they don't repeat his mistake
Maybe belos actually wants to get rid of magic. Maybe after he went to the human realm and saw how the world without magic looked like. He wanted to live in that world thats why he wants to merge the human realm and destroy magic because the magic made his world so diffrent from the beautifull human realm
I really think belos is base off a windago since his monster form look more humanoid and him consuming Palisman is like what they said how a windago consume human flesh and how he was so greedy to become the hero is like him letting his greed taking over
You know who Belos reminds me of? The Masked Man from Scooby Doo Monsters Unleashed. Hear me out. I'm not just saying this because they both have menacing designs with masks. They both have insane amounts of power that seem like magic at first but when you get down to it, they are both simply hyper-intelligent and use science to create their own magic. In Belos's case, it's his staff and portal. In the Masked Man's case, it's his monster machine. They also both use propaganda to send the public after the heroes. Belos did this through the use of wanted posters and his police force. The Masked Man did this through manipulation and fearmongering. The main difference between the two is Belos is a symbol of self-righteous order and the Masked Man is a symbol of revenge and anarchy, with this being reflected in Belos's color scheme of gold and white and the Masked Man's scheme of silver and black. I just really wanted to discuss this because these two are so intimidating and awesome.
Belos reminds me of Amon from The Legend Of Korra both people loved by everyone both hate and want to get rid of people with powers and have equality both clame to comuntcat with a entity and both of them turn out to be compleat frauds and both of them changed there names and both of them have a brother and both of them have a scar across his face and both of them ware a mask
SPOILER no we haven’t seen the worst he tried to committee mass genocide also hunter is a clone 17…. The 17th clone holy smokes and on top of that we find out some of the ways he killed the past clones for being “un perfect” also he is a witch hunter general so yes he is a big bad guy.
Considering we'll probably dive deeper into his backstory soon, we'll have to see once we understand more of what happened to him. It won't change anything, but it may give people a better understanding of why he's like this.
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"Did he just hide glyphs up his sleeves?" wow, hilariously spot on, actually!
i cackled so loud at it
That aged pretty well
“I like your spirit but try that again and things won’t end well for you”
Belos is a really menacing and imposing villain definitely like how interesting they’re making him.
Take another step forward, your REALLY not going to like what happens next
Yeah, his voice is so soft, yet sinister. He's pretty much the opposite of Kong Adrias.
something that helps make him scary (in my opinion) is how he barely moves. sometimes if he wasn't speaking you would think he was just a mannequin. in fact it doesn't even look like he's breathing sometimes
I always thought the idea of belos being a dark reflection of luz was fascinating as a commentary on the difference between older vs modern Isekai fiction
Luz is a modern Isekai protagonist who just wants to escape modernity and just wallow in the worldbuilding
Belos meanwhile is a classic escapist hero like John Carter of mars who comes to a new world, becomes a hero, and takes power
I've always found the idea of Belos being Luz's "dark reflection" interesting; but I never made the connection between "modern Isekai protagonist" and the "classic escapist hero" until now.
@@HALO20601 just keep in mind, Dorothy from the wizard of oz is an Isekai protagonist
I never thought of that before. That's actually an amazing analysis. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if that's what Dana was going for there. Though, I think it's more male isekai protagonist (new and old) vs female modern ones.
As someone who read the first John Carter of Mars book, I think that's an apt way to describe him. He's a strong man, gifted with the ability to "jump good" when he reaches that planet (along with telepathy for some reason), which pretty much allows him to power through the plot with no effort and becomes the king of Mars by taking power for himself. He constantly boasts about how strong, handsome and awesome he is like a z list Gaston. Add in the fact that he's a Confederate General, and is a racist asshole, even if he tries to deny it, and would've easily could've been the villain instead of the hero in a modern version of the tale.
John Carter influenced a lot of genres, even indirectly, including modern isekai male leads. Even in modern anime they tend to be like that as well due to that adding to the wish fulfillment fantasy on its audience of teenaged boys. Think Kirito, Ainz Ooal Gown, Sora or Diablo. (Though there are exceptions like Naofumi, Subaru and Slime-kun.) Female isekai leads tend to work harder and have to earn that. In the cases of Luz and older isekai female heroines like Alice and Dorthy, have to decide if they want to go home or not.
@@troperhghar9898 why would you say that
@@liviwaslost does it upset you?
"did he just hide glyph's up his sleeves?" Well, in hindsight that was a good call.
Not even, it was whole ass nail on the head.
Okay, so hear me out: Belos may be a human who tried to give himself a bile sack thanks to experimenting with Palismans-he succeeded, but that gave him that curse. OR so somewhat the opposite-he’s an Isles native who became somewhat obsessed with the human realm thanks to it having no wild magic or something and tried to get rid of his bile sack. Either way, the reason he wants to unite the Isles with the Human Realm might be that it would allow the two halves of him to stop fighting and he would no longer have his affliction.
Nice theories! You should read the comment I just made.
I like that theory. Both could be possible and would explain so much
Very nice chain of reasoning. I just posted a somewhat different theory, but it would not entirely counter yours. Should be fun to see how this plays out.
That was quite right. Philip is belos and tried to do.... Something by putting GLYPHS on his GOD DAMN ARM and BLAMED IT on wild magic
The first part was right.
Sees title after watching Hollow Mind:
You.
Have.
NO.
Idea . . .
For me, belos works where white diamond and horde prime failed. He comes off as a concerned and benevolent parent who'd rip out your guts because it was " foy our own good, why are you being so unreasonable about this?"
Aaand now I don't want to know how hunter got his scar on his chin
I actually feel on edge when I hear Belos’ voice.
Until you see he's true face in season 2
Me too
@@redalert923 that actually made me on more alert
@@fangirl3086 how?
@@fangirl3086 It's like the uncanny.. such a mysterious old-looking humanoid sounding so content with his malicious plan.
From the newest episode - yeah that just grew to a new height of terrifying and loathesome. Well done writing team for creating such a fantastic and evil villain!
I feel like Belos giving Owlbert to Lilith was a test of her loyalty after he went back on his word. She didn’t destroy him and vowed to help Luz, so in his mind she failed. He probably intended to take Owlbert from Luz once he beat her, but she got the best of him.
That actually makes a lot of sense
Belos did said to Lilith 'You chose the wrong side' later in the episode.
Belos reminds me of a quote from one of the Skulduggery Pleasant books on the character of Tesseract.
Something about the terrifying way someone speaks about violence as if it was an afterthought.
He can make a threat and sound like it’s a fact. He considers a fight to be a game.
Truly a successor to Disney's The Horned King, but a real shame since we won't get anymore episodes of The Owl House Season 2 of his epic battle.
We still have the entire rest of Season 2 to go, AND three 45-minute specials. We could easily see Belos in action in that time.
If you see the end credit of the season 2 finale, there's a chance he's still alive.
I really like this villain. What he's doing is terribly wrong. But he actually has a sympathetic side to him. So he's not a one-dimensional villain
Idk if 'sympathetic' is the right term but i agree he def isn't one dimensional
Doesn't seem so sympathetic after Hollow Mind. He's pretty much an emotional manipulator who is a huge racist and also a serial killer.
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This aged.... Badly.
@@irlelliewilliamsmore like tragic and complex
I just realized that both Luz and Amity do a similar thing when fighting for the portal/the key when fighting someone for it. Luz hands the portal to Belos but had a sneaky plan of destroying it and Amity gave Hunter the key but she broke it first. Both made it not as easy for the other one to succeed because people they love and care for are in danger
That is a GREAT comparison
6:33 that prediction aged well
Maybe having the Palismen is supposed to be like an unhealthy coping mechanism? I dunno, I used have one for my misophonia, but I never used it unless it starting acting up. Maybe that’s why Belos seems to only take a palisman when the curse starts to become active or cause immediate problems. Still doesn’t explain why he didn’t just tell Lilith to store Owlbert with the other palisman reserves though, so maybe not
Glyphs up his sleeve... Oh hindsight is hilarious.
One of the things I noticed about Belos and his curse, is how Hunter tries to defend his actions and "what the curse makes him do", this could be interpreted as an allegory for mental illness, and how there's no justification for being an Abusive Caretaker.
We can see this with Eda and Belos, both have a "curse", but Eda would never dream of hurting Luz, while Belos guilts Hunter into thinking that if he hurts him, then it was Hunter's fault, since Belos can't "control himself" bc of his curse.
Eda takes care of her curse, taking it easy on herself and acknowledging her limits, proving that you can live with a curse without being a danger to yourself or others, but Belos won't do this.
Belos/Philip's curse is quite diffrent. He needs to murder palismen to survive and yea.... We'll get more explanation for his behavior once we see the backstory of him/his brother, I'm assuming his brother died somehow related to wild magic (and also belos got cursed somehow related to wild magic) which made him hate wild magic and seek revange which made him a bad person over time
Yeah...I find him one of the scariest villians since the Lich King from Adventure Time. I hope we get more about him in season 2b.
The really scary part is that to me he seems to know who his enemies are, where they are, who their allies /friends are and where they are since ether his higher ups have seen them (like Kikimora seeing Amity helping Luz) and there was foot soldiers led by Lilith to the Owl House, and yet has never acted on such information.
"but belos he's your grim walker you know you don't damage the merchandise"
💀 I don't think he knows that
There are two moments that totally sold Belos as a threat to me. The first is when the trio are in the relic room and are talking about how they plan to grab the healing hat, help Eda and bring it back before anyone knows its gone. The second after they say this, Belos' voice calls out in a calm and sibilant "I will know." It was just chilling! He has no physical presence in the scene, but you can tell that everyone in that room feels his gaze and the power behind it.
Second was when Luz confronts him and tries to threaten him with her ice. He doesn't even really react to it, he just sits there for a second. When he does decide to react, he doesn't lash out with anger at this upstart human trying to threaten him; no, he dissolves and reforms behind Luz and simply says: "OK, I'll play." and then proceeds to show Luz why he is not a man to mess with.
Just, damn man!
Very good analysis here on Belos
I stated before that I think the writers made the right choice in making Belos look kinda handsome without his mask on. Sure,he's not Brad Pitt or Chris Hemsworth and the green scar is distracting but put some foundation on and he'll look even better.
As for his "parenting" skills... if he doesn't own up,change for better,apologize to Hunter,take a parenting class,read books on parenting or (if they exist in the Boiling Isles) go to family therapy,Eda or Camila or even Gwen better adopt Hunter because if even a blind man can tell that Hunter IS NOT safe with Belos. Belos can claim "the curse made me do it" or "I had a bad day" or "I'm stressed out from ruling this government" as much as he likes. In the end,someone in the Royal Family has to act like an adult and it clearly isn't Belos.
I don't care what time period he grew up because here and now, Belos is supposed to be an adult. Not only is he supposed to be the mature one but last time I checked,adults are supposed to own up to their bad decisions and change for the better. Grimwalker or not, Hunter is a part of his family. Personally,I think the notch in Hunter's ear is similar to the one on Belos' ear so there's a chance that it is just something that is hereditary more than it is a scar. Plus, Belos' hair is similar in color but the styles are different slightly so maybe they really are related; the different noses and hair is kind of an obvious sign that Hunter is not a Grimwalker clone of Belos himself. Nothing he says will excuse his abuse towards Hunter.
Hunter wants his uncle to get better from his curse and Belos is a coward and a bully for shutting Hunter down and threatening him the way he does. Hunter unconditionally loves his uncle and Belos is taking advantage of that; he doesn't deserve Hunter. I probably said this before but, I can't wait for Eda, Luz,Lilith,Gwen, Camila or anyone to kick Belos' British* ass.
(*I'm aware that Matthew Rhys is Welsh but, I think you get the point.)
As a villain,he's intriguing,scary yet handsome without his mask and I wanna know more about. As parental figure, he'd better shape up or else Harpy Eda will rearrange his spine.
Did you edit this after season 2B or did you just guess all of this stuff lmao
@@qwart22 I guessed
Ok Eclispa wasn’t a villain, she was an antihero. Her daughter was a villain and a good one too. Had me on the edge of my seat.
He dresses like a pope but with a plague doctor mask that has antlers
Considering the implications with hunter being a grimwalker (a clone) and that his relationship to belos as nephew/uncle. I think its way more likely belos is meant to be philip himself then a descendent or anything.
Philip's brother is identical to hunter outside of his ears and red eyes ( the red eyes are implied to be a grimwalker thing), so if he cloned his brother then yeah.....technically in a weird way that makes hunter his bio nephew.
Also makes far more sense narrative wise because the brother is hinted to be rascal's original owner and cardinals represent dead family members watching over you. So hunter having rascal around is equivalent to almost having the brother (whose technically his father) watching over him.
Its also this, if belos was literally any other guy, just some dude we don't know, then really.....its not gonna matter to luz or anyone on the good side. But if he's philip, someone luz knows and trusted to help her, that breaks her world, because philip never made it home and he went from being this adventurer like her to well....belos.
Even belos's ears, they're the tiniest ears on the show, they don't look natural and it seems far more likely they were cropped from their original round shape.
There's more then just this, like the parallels between the brothers, and clawthorne sisters, that are being implied (cursed younger sibling, older strict sibling).
The Implications that philip became belos, that something happened with his brother, and that he created hunter from his brother is being very well implied and whether obvious or not, is being very well hinted throughout the show.
Its not confirmed, but it makes way more sense narrative wise then to set up a descendent character for this
Seeing philip turn from a curious young man into THIS could be genuinely sad and fascinating and it would explain so much surrounding him.
Congratulations, your a prophet
This aged well
You should do a follow up on this on what you think of Belos after all the reveals in Hollow Mind and on what you think of The Collector and what you think of their relations as villains. I'd love to see a vid like that.
The owl house crew have taken a very Tolkien's way of revealing information in the show purticuly when Belos is involved where in for every question answered 5 to 10 more arise. Also I don't believe that that's the actual heart of the titan nor bile sack either as one the titan is massive to the point where even if the heart decreases in size do to decomposition it would still take up the size of the entire castle or more and same goes for the bile sack I think it's just the heart of a giant that's used as a trophy and for intimidation as Belos seems to be a bit theatrical when in the presence of normal people.
Did anyone else think it was Malcolm McDowell voicing Emperor Belos at 1st?
Bells does a lot more down right creepy stuff while bill is more of a con artist and just does scary stuff for his own amusement or to lure and manipulate someone into a bad deal, they have a charm unique to them that isn’t found in many other villains.
"Something that sets cartoon apart from each other, usually isn't their world building, or their morals, it's their villains. [presents a clip of Bill Cipher] An interesting villain tends to define a show, or it does so for me."
To quote Carnage as my reaction to this statement: "OH MAMA, Something tells me that you're my kind of girl!"
But comic quotes aside, I completely agree, and the fact you used Bill (my fav villain in all of fiction) while saying that, only makes it more relatable.
“Any Interpretations”
Hey ferb I think I know what Were going to do today.-
*Lol no for real. I like the idea of the owl house having different interpretations on how the Fans see it.* Great video! 😊
Emperor Belos is basically magical David Miscavige. Change my mind.
I hope the whole "I don't want to actually invade the human realm" thing pays off. The Isles are the size of Vermont, so an actual military invasion of the entire world is logistically unfeasible. I hope he just wants to steal Connecticut, or maybe replace Earth's physics system with those of the Boiling Isles, or something.
Emperor belos : is scary
Lord Shen : i am joke to you
My theory is that Belos is a human who drank titan’s blood to try and get magic, but got cursed as a side effect. I think it also might explain why he can (or thinks he can) speak to the titan.
‘Did he just hide glyphs up his sleeves?’ Well yes actually
I think belos may actually a human his ears are significantly smaller than any other whitch even the adult one it almost looks like he chopped his ear in half so he would look more like one of them
(Edit):I'm like 99% sure of this now that "elsewhere and elsewhen" has come out the show basicly flat out showed us that he is)
(Edit 2):so it has been fully conformed in hollow mind(which was a very traumatic episode)that he is actually a human so yay I was right before it was conformed!
I've been thinking about Belos' curse and a few things are starting to come together. Putting aside the controversy over who Belos actually is for the moment (Phillip, his brother, or the witch who brought them to the Boiling Isles?) , We have seen the notes on how to create something called a Grimwalker. Also remember the episode "Once Upon a Switch"? A lot of folks believe that either Belos or Hunter are grimwalkers (or that both are) and there is some merit to that idea. What if Belos is, indeed a grimwalker and whoever he really is used Body Swap magic to inhabit said grimwalker to prolong his life. We saw that Eda had no magic of her own while in King's body and was only able to swap back by using Owlbert, so no matter who Belos is, he is in a body with no innate magic of its own. How he got there may yet be revealed, but the point I'm meandering toward is that he has probably been in that body a long time and it looks like it is getting old. What happens when a grimwalker ages? We do not know, but perhaps it start decaying into the mush we see Belos is becoming. This also means he is a very desperate person at this point, hoping to hold out until the Day of Unity. Stay tuned!
Just want to say that there are cases where people have died from withdrawals by quitting cold turkey. I don't remember all the details but I think in some cases they have a fatal heart attack from it or something. So if they are likening his affliction to addiction, it would still make sense that he can't stop feeding it at this point (and honestly the way he behaves actually does very much remind me of how a former roommate of mine who was an alcoholic and would get very angry and violent when he drank or was going through hard withdrawals).
A lot of how you described him still holds up even now with more screentime from him and the series getting closer to the end. Honestly he's only become more fascinating and terrifying as the show's gone on.
I'm not sure I like the idea of him being well intentioned. Cus that makes me worry about them redeeming him, I'm really sick of villans getting redeemed to be honest
I still think he's half human half witch. Maybe he was a little evil as a child, so his father decided he was too dangerous for the human realm, so he sent him back. Then Belos was rejected by his mother or maybe she was killed along with Hunter's parents, so he came to the conclusion that magic was the problem so he decided to limit it. He has a staff because it helps him with the most powerful spells because he isn't as strong as full witches. And he's trying to create a door because he's mad at humans, thinks they're weak because of his father. Also, in an attempt to become strong, maybe he cursed himself, and he keeps it at bay with the palisman juices.
I really like how the statue in the square of Belos has the cracked mask
Belos gives me major nox vibes the English dub specifically but also in general it’s that ‘completely insane but in control’ aura he has
"Did he hid glyphs up his sleeves?".......0_0
"Did he just hide glyphs up his sleeves" ended up being comically on-point. Yes, he really was using glyph magic. We see Luz use the same glyphs when testing stuff she found in Phillip's diary. He just figured out how to make glyphs appear on his own skin rather than having to write them.
From what we see, he either drew/tattooed/scarred the glyphs into his skin.
That my dear lady is quite the understatement
SPOILER
Belos' plan is to commit witch genocide because he's a Salem witch trials weirdo, he needs the portal to go home after all the witches are dead. The merging of the realms idea is likely just to placate the coven heads.
Bill chiper didn’t wanted to merge he just destroyed his own universe until there was nothing left so he wanted to play somewhere else the portal was just for him and his friends to come to this universe from the other one
Bill already destroyed his dimension then moved to the nightmare realm. Which is the realm between all dimensions that has no laws of physics. Which bill wants to fuse with the third dimension do to it being unstable.
wonder how they see belos now
I like to think that Belos actually does care about Hunter some what, he didn’t have to indulge him in stories about the human realm but he did, he could have just told him to go back to his room and put a spell on the room so he couldn’t get back in but he didn’t.
This aged worse than the crack on philip's nose.
"A world free of wild magics" means the destruction of all magic.
Man... Watching this after Hollow Mind is just curling my insides. A lot of things happened (and I still loved the show!).
@6:33 I.....guess you could say that lol
Yeah, he did hide glyphs under his sleeves.
I love hearing Belos deep groans and growls, it shows how inhuman and monstrous he is
Well let’s say that season 2B upped his creep factor
wel now we neet to have a video about Philip wittebane
With Belos' VA, Matthew Rhys, saying Belos is misunderstood, not evil, that's exactly what Belos would say. To that, I said, "Thou liest, shag-eared villain!" But with reflection, I’m sure he meant that Belos would be considered a hero in his native time, but in the 21st century, he would be considered the villain.
6:34 yes. Yes he did literally hide glyphs under his sleeve 😂
For those who don’t know he carved them into his arms
In terms of mannerisms and demeanor, my closest comparison to Belos is Horde Prime from She-Ra with his cult like set up and authoritarian regime.
Currently my guess for why he's so inactive is a mix how if he did get more active it would make his own coven look less effective if he has too do all the work, and because his curse makes it too dangerous. His authoritarian regime isn't going to last long if everyone sees how vulnerable he is.
he's more a threat than Toffee
I haven't seen Owl House, but Belos sounds like Ghetsis in regards to Hunter. Or how Palpatine treated Anakin/Vader.
Belos kinda reminds me of Ozi to an extent. At least with taking time to reveal the character and show his face. Both have so many ppl willing to trust their word and follow them
In hindsight, Belos did have Flavor-Aid. I don't think I could've guessed his true goals either, though.
Steve is starting to regret his choices.
Then hollow mind and the season 2 finale came out.
Plotwist, he is Phillap.
Belos kinda gives me a Tywin Lannister meets Varys vibe. Idk why but he does.
🦁+🕷=🧙♂️
5:15 damn thats pretty on point
I wonder if there is something about the Clawthorn carved Palasmin that makes it impossible for Belos to consume.
After all she orders Owlbert to be destroyed not stored or just consumed right away and we know from Gus and Willow from (ok I forgot the episode name but it's the one where Bat Queen put Luz on a rigged trial for scaring and hiding Owlbert) one of them mentioned that Owlbert was very powerful. So that should have made eating him or saving him for a special occasion like a rare treat more tempting not less.
And Lilith was the only one in the Emperor's Coven allowed to have a Palasmin staff when we learned from Steve and Hunter's words in Hunting Palasmin that Helps likes to collect everyone's Palamins and save them for Belos to eat.
And it's been speculated that Caleb was married to and had kids with Gwen's great grandmother. And yet when Belos killed Caleb he didn't eat Flap Jack and he certainly knew of his existence because he recognized him in Hunter's hands right away.
I don't know what could be different about them but it's weird these connections to Palasmin Belos had a chance to devour but doesn't.
Belos hated Evelyn with every fiber of his bones that it wouldn't surprise if he refused to consume the palismen of the Clawthrone out of spite. After all, he hates the idea of using Wild Magic to heal his curse despite the benefits.
@@evanbao93 before yesterday I would agree with you but yesterday I rewatched Thanks to them and saw Bellos did try to eat Flapjack but on the first taste he recoiled which is how he eacaped
Terrifying disney belos
Yes
I wish we saw more of his magical powers: show WHY he’s the most powerful sorcerer in the realm
Belos, if he succeeded in the Day of Unity in the 17th century and returned home, he’d be hailed a hero.
In the new 12 episode it seems like Belos, like Philip, consumes palismans to live longer
His voice is just horrifying and he is too and what he do
Can u do a video about King from “the Owl House”?
I think he might have revenge on his mind. Mainly because if the line "our family is gone because if wild magic". Maybe he got revenge on those who took his family, but after that he wasn't satisfied so he kept hunting them down under the guise of carrying out the will of the titan and it got him to where he is now. A tyrant who can't let go of his pain and thirst for revenge. Or at least that's my theory
Can you do another video about Belos/Philip
Hopefully it’s coming out this Friday
Trinston was here .
Here's my guess as to what belos actually is, he's the human version of eda, while philip was lilith. So 2 humans fall into the boiling isles, one, philip, starts doing magic the "proper" way, categorizing and inventing portals and stuff, bringing science to magic, meanwhile belos is just cheating and stealing, eventually getting cursed by the beast lady in the robe, accidentally killing philip in a fit. Now he needs the day of unity to resurrect his bro in hunter's clone body and using the coven system as a twisted version if making sure they don't repeat his mistake
Maybe belos actually wants to get rid of magic. Maybe after he went to the human realm and saw how the world without magic looked like. He wanted to live in that world thats why he wants to merge the human realm and destroy magic because the magic made his world so diffrent from the beautifull human realm
6:33 lmfao
I really think belos is base off a windago since his monster form look more humanoid and him consuming Palisman is like what they said how a windago consume human flesh and how he was so greedy to become the hero is like him letting his greed taking over
yeah he is creepy
If Belos is second scariest then who's #1?
Bill Cipher?
Imo Bill cipher.
Bill cipher /👁\ he’s watching you
I still think Hunter is Eda's kid
You know who Belos reminds me of? The Masked Man from Scooby Doo Monsters Unleashed.
Hear me out.
I'm not just saying this because they both have menacing designs with masks. They both have insane amounts of power that seem like magic at first but when you get down to it, they are both simply hyper-intelligent and use science to create their own magic. In Belos's case, it's his staff and portal. In the Masked Man's case, it's his monster machine. They also both use propaganda to send the public after the heroes. Belos did this through the use of wanted posters and his police force. The Masked Man did this through manipulation and fearmongering. The main difference between the two is Belos is a symbol of self-righteous order and the Masked Man is a symbol of revenge and anarchy, with this being reflected in Belos's color scheme of gold and white and the Masked Man's scheme of silver and black.
I just really wanted to discuss this because these two are so intimidating and awesome.
Can you make another Belos video because season 2 is over?
Belos reminds me of Amon from The Legend Of Korra both people loved by everyone both hate and want to get rid of people with powers and have equality both clame to comuntcat with a entity and both of them turn out to be compleat frauds and both of them changed there names and both of them have a brother and both of them have a scar across his face and both of them ware a mask
Hunter will be used to give the collector a body 👁️👄👁️
SPOILER
no we haven’t seen the worst he tried to committee mass genocide also hunter is a clone 17…. The 17th clone holy smokes and on top of that we find out some of the ways he killed the past clones for being “un perfect” also he is a witch hunter general so yes he is a big bad guy.
Not seventeen, try thirty-two.
Scary
How were you accidentally right?
I’m pretty sure good guys can have flaws and comical.
How did you guessed so many things about him?
Its not scary. This kids from now...
cartoon hater
@@adamk-paxlogan7330Sucks no, fear true is courage the cowardly dog, gravity falls and flapjack
I can't sympathize with him.
same
Considering we'll probably dive deeper into his backstory soon, we'll have to see once we understand more of what happened to him.
It won't change anything, but it may give people a better understanding of why he's like this.
@@jlwiseman98 Perhaps
I perfer anti heroes honestly like Hunter Zuko heck even Soren from the dragon prince
Emperor Bella’s face reveal was the most disappointing thing I ever saw