Yeah. The difference is that Camilla never dissuaded Luz from her interests. She actually does love her daughter’s creativity. But she also wanted her to make friends and to not put herself or anyone else in mortal danger.
Yes! Thank you!! Sure camila may at first didn't understood luz, but she was still a very caring mom who just wanted luz to socialize with others. Odalia though, she is no mother. She's a monster. She is willing to freaking let other witches DIE all so that she can become royalty. I really hope amity meant to never speak to odalia ever again. Odalia deserves no one, she deserves nothing, she deserves to be alone.
Yeah, I think it's a lot of projection going on and not actually looking at some of Luz's behavior in the human realm. They took Camila's decision to send Luz to camp in the most extreme way possible and assumed the worst of her.
I never really thought of Alador as a bad person for one reason: his expression & body language. Take a second look at how he acts, the look on his face, his tone of voice, etc.... it all points to an attitude of "I'm so sick of this bitch, but I don't want to deal with the shitstorm she'll cause if I speak out, so I'm keeping my head down." I was in a relationship with an abusive partner once, and I've experienced what he's gone through, so i feel more than a little empathetic for him. It's better to play your role as a good little peon than to cause trouble, because it isn't worth the drama that will come if you try to go against what "they" want. Thing is, while it keeps you from getting hurt, it ultimately leaves you feeling dead inside. You know you're enabling an abuser, but you're sick of being put down (or worse) so you tolerate it anyway. (I now realize that I was lucky to break the cycle, and I'm proud Alador was able to as well) I'm also starting to realize the sheer talent of the creators here for creating a realistic acting long-term spouse of an abuser.
Everyone hates Odalia for the same reason that she’s a horrible person but I hate her for being an idiot. Despite being given the info by Belos himself that he wanted to kill EVERYONE on the isles, she really thought that because she’s so special she would be excluded from global genocide. The man wants to kill everyone in the world, what makes you think he’d allow you to live just because you helped him kill everyone? Alador: Odalia, The emperor plans to kill everyone on the isles Odalia: I missed the part where that’s my problem Me: Ok let me repeat that part, HE’S GOING TO KILL YOU
I think she was of the same mind as the Coven Heads. I feel like they knew it was going to kill a lot of people, but thought that they were above that some how.
There is a small posibility she's actually covenless. In cloud on the horizon she seems to cast a ilusion.(Luz's wanted poster) She covers hers arms so we may never know
yeah dictartors don't want clever people who would betray them, they want loyality about all else, so what if the people under them are idiots, just easyiere to control
Camila might not be a perfect parent, but she is nowhere near as bad as Odalia. Odalia has forced her daughter to cut connections with her best friend because she came from a lower class family, forced Amity to dye her hair because she wanted her kids color coded, was willing to let her kids work in her deadly business, and is willing to overlook genocide for money.
I don't even think Camila deserves to be in the category of "bad parent". She's never neglected or ignored Luz, she still very much KNOWS her daughter (well, before she went through some shit in the Boiling Isles). Camila only wanted Luz to go to that camp to learn how to socialize...and stop releasing snakes in schools lol. While Alador, although he loves his children, hasn't been present enough to actually know who they are as people. But it's good he's trying to do better. Odalia, if she loves her kids, only does in the sense that they are extensions of herself. They are worthy of love only when they act how she wants...and that's beyond horrible. Not to mention her disregard for life in general.
As someone in CPTSD therapy and support groups in large part to the kinds of emotional parentification, emotional manipulations, and the physical violence that has been implied by Luz's expectations, grom monster transformation into a larger and scarier twisting of her mom when she yells "have you been lying to me" and "you're breaking my heart" as well as her casual chancla usage against an already incapacitated man that she just didn't like what he was saying at that point. Fuck camila. Fuck people that act like you have to be "the worst" to be called out for how terrible you are. And fuck the entire concept of comparing traumas oftenin a way that is less sympathetic to poc and low income children than it is to sad white rich kids (especially as that often fails to take into consideration all the trauma tht comes with poverty and/or being minority independent of any parenting)| Plus if she really knew and cared about luz and just wanted her to socialize better, she wouldn't have sent her to a tax camp and thrown out her favorite books. She would have found some camp that centers around her interests where she can make friends that enjoy the same things she does in a structured environment that showcases appropriate and inappropriate use of creativity and props. A drama camp, anime, book club, some arts and crafts camp. Something that nurtures what is good and natural about Luz, while also helping her to grow up ion helpful ways,. So no, I'm not giving credit for her knowing more than alador. I mean ffs, she's like 10. How is she getting dead birds, spiders, snakes, etc and bringing them to school so often? My mom had 5 kids and 2 jobs and often college herself. She still never overlooked when a kid would try to keep a mouse in the house or bring any kind of animal (let alone fireworks) to school. (brother once got expelled for bringing a knife, but those are pretty easy to hide) Come on now. Half of her behavior issues is about the fact that she's crying for help and attention and doing shocking things is the only option she sees to either impress her peers, or to have her mom pay attention to *herA* needs for once (instead of just relying on Luz/classic role reversal)
@@joyc.e.7511 Shes so emotionally abusive/emotionally parentifies Luz (very common after divorce or death of another parent or other traumas in the parents life.) so severely she's literally Luz's biggest fear and Luz is too preoccupied with how to emotionally take care of her mom to actually live her own life on several occasional. aNd they hint towards physical abuse as wall (mostly luz's expectations, habit of flinching, and complete fear of a violent reaction when she knows she's upset eda who only said something like "I won't trust you if you make a mess" She's a shit mom. They come in a wide variety. This one just happens to be terrible in a way that way too many identify with and try to excuse away from their own parents or even themselves. Which makes her extra important to call out, vs the one literally joining the evil team and broadcasting pure evil vibes. Most abusers are just regular people. Many child abusers are "imperfect parents who try their best". That's just reality. -Someone in long term therapy due in large part to having a mom like camila
@@foxyfox9196 My heart goes out to you and I hope things are going better for you. But Camila is NOT abusive and is the one parenting Luz, not the other way around. What about Luz's or Camila's behavior made you think differently? Luz behaves like the child she is. The whole reason Camila wants to send Luz to camp is because she believes it's best for her. and wants her to be able to socialize with people her own age. That's parenting. Camila was Luz's biggest fear because she is the closest person to her. Luz has a hard time making friends due to her eccentric personality, but her mother has never tried to limit her (till she brought live snakes to school). Based on all the things that Vee was going to throw out in episode 10, it's obvious her mother has always supported her and let her be the imaginative child she is. So lying to her, especially on this scale, would bother Luz more than anything else. I think you're reading too much into Luz's flinching as well as her and her mother's behavior. The show has never shied away from depicting abusive relationships (Hunter and Amity) and I'm certain they would have addressed it if that was how she was. I completely agree that many abusers hide behind the guise of "imperfect parents trying their best" and "tough love" but Camila LITERALLY is just trying her best. She hasn't raised Luz perfectly and maybe the camp idea came off as too drastic. But it was just a normal camp that would have been good for Luz. She probably would have made some friends, like Vee did. Everything we've seen of Camila has been kind and I believe that's how she actually is and always puts Luz first. Not emotionally manipulative. NOT a shit mother. Your basis for saying she is would put all mothers into that category. What better way could Camila have acted?
@@joyc.e.7511 The fact that Luz even has to center Camila's feelings. Weaponizing her feelings to manipulate and extort Luz into appeasing her mom's negative feelings while she was already under stress and really needed a fucking PARENT to be the one providing emotional comfort and support to her. Hell her entire reason for being upset about the aniversary of her dad's death is because she feels the need to be there for her mom, who still grieving. Implying Luz isn't really able to focus on her own feelings. She's the CHILD
She is a horrible mother. 😡 Not only does she not care about her children or her husband. But she flat out tried to control their lives. And even going so far as to knowingly help the emperor. Knowing that he was planning on killing everyone and didn't care.
@@elenadehowlerwerewolfqueen8164, I'm reminded of the Nostalgia Critic's review of American Tale Fifle Hoes West. There was one scene he was like, "I'll just let this next scene speak for itself." And afterward, he was like, "is there a word that exists to describe how uncomfortable that was? I don't think there is, so I'm just gonna make one up." So might I suggest that. If there are no words for it, just make up something.
I always imagined darius hated alador's abominations because they were machine like. Manufacturered. While his are more organic but now im thinking odalia had a hand in this. Maybe alador was more organic and she corrupted him with the idea of industrialization of abominations
Honestly the rivalry between him and Alador seem a lot professional as both are basically the best specialist in abomination in the entire setting, but frankly Alador seem to be in his own class and if he was more inclined and have much more people skill he will be easily get the spot of head coven
I think it makes sense that Odalia had Willow and Gus expelled as well even though her main target was Luz. Remember how she's part of the Oracle Track, she might have used her magic to determine the best way to get Luz to come to Blight Maner so she can use the Abomaton on her.
Also, I think Odalia sees this as upholding the "deal" she made when Amity was five. She said that if Amity stayed friends with Willow, that she would use her influence to ensure Willow wouldn't attend Hexside, so when she discovers Amity has a bunch of unapproved friends, she does exactly that and rubs it in over the necklace.
16:10 luz isn't the only one responsible. Willow agreed to go along with the cheating plan, but she also helped Luz escape by filling the hallway with vines. And gus lied and told Luz he got the ban lifted, which is how she got thrown into detention in the first place, then he also helped her destroy detention. I'm just saying, the other two aren't entirely blameless, here.
I have another way Amity’s memory could’ve been the way they have been. It seems like Odalia uses the kids as a weapon against Alador telling him they’re gonna have to “help with the family business” to get him to shut up. Also during their time at hexside when they expelled the squad she seemed to cue when Alador could speak which he stuttered as if he was told what to say. I just have a small feeling that she would’ve used that as a threat before
Honestly I think the reason ppl like belos more then odalia despite his actions being worse is odalia is far closer to home. Like yeah, philip is a cult leader, abuses his nephew, and he's a tyrant bent on genocide.....but he's also a 300 year old puritan who turns into a goop monster, wears a silly bird mask, gets upset when a teenager makes fun of his clothes, and gets splat by a God child. He's great obviously as metaphors and showcasing real life manipulatiors, but his character is SO ridiculous in concept that its easier to enjoy him as a fictional character then odalia. Not to mention we have more of his backstory (i still maintain the fact that he's a tragic villian, so to even a small extent the audience can feel bad for him despite what he did and did to himself). Odalia is not nearly as goofy, nor do we get sympathetic aspects to her, she is always relentlessly awful and cruel and manipulative and selfish and her behavior is sadly reminiscent of people that do exist and you may be related to. Like there are way more people out there like odalia blight then philip wittebane, and you're far more likely to know someone like her then philip. Belos is evil but he's also completely ridiculous and easy to goof on. Odalia never gets too goofy, she stays as realistic as one could get making a selfish manipulative witch mom. So while belos did worse, the fact the fandom enjoys him far more then odalia makes a lot of sense.
@@danielasarmiento3101 Fair comparison. Tom had some reasons to be angry, and despite racism underlying his world view, he was also a snake nosed supervillain obsessed with immortality. Dolores was much more mundane as a bigoted beurocratic bish.
@@bthsr7113 And that's not even getting into Tom having been conceived under a date-rape drug used by a destabilized woman. We're just after him for making his far-reaching choices to be a dangerous moron regardless. But Odalia, like Scumb*tch, is just frustrating with no real attempt at a valid excuse. And with Odalia, my favorite part is her abuse of Alador. We do NOT need abusive wives like that exploiting the system, thank you.
Odalia is a bad mother but in my opinion she’s a good Edition to the story, it gives children watching the show an idea of “hey this behaviors real bad, if an adult where to treat me like this I would tell someone.” Or at least that’s what I like to think, it’s simply my interpretation of it. She’s also a good edition to help develop Amity, not only that she has a lot of potential and if Amity was the mc then Odalia would be a much bigger player in the story. Either way I like her as a character and I hate her as a person.
I think that's what Alador's for. Odalia shows the kind of abusive parent you should cut off while Alador shows the kind of abusive parent that is worth forgiving because they legitimately try to be better and realize their errors
You're not wrong about the bad parent pattern in animation. It sucks cause when there are good parents it celebrated and not standard. Honestly I can only think of Stoic the vast from How to train your dragon of the top of my head even with his issues he genuinely loves his son and genuinely trying his best to raise him and prepare him for what's to come.
then we also have mister Ping from kung fu panda who, despite being Po's adoptive father and would like for him to inherit the restaurant one day, he truly loves Po, genuinely sees him as his son and is supportive on his kung fun dream. He never belittles him or his dream, telling him "you're a big fat panda. You can't do kung fu! Your destiny is soup!" or stuff along those lines; and when Po is feeling down and questions himself, mister Ping cheers him up and helps him understand things by revealing to him the secret to his special soup
With where she looked before Alador said 'You knew?' I think she was looking where her Oracle Coven mark would be, indicated she predicted something along those lines beforehand and thus was not surprised. At least that's how I interpreted it.
It's easy to hate Odalia for being a horrible person and terrible mother and wife; we're suppose to hate her for that. However, I really hate for being a stupid businesswoman and being so blind as to side with Belos's plan, thinking that she would survive or even benefit from without any real contigencies. She knew the whole plan and still didn't try to make absolutley sure she and "the family" survived. Even if she turned out to be conveless witch (since I've heard people say that she might) and safe from the draining spell, she had a literal army she could take control and use against Belos, stop his plan and come out on top as the Boiling Isle's saviour and likely be recognized as the next ruler. It's like that thought didn't even cross her mind. Odalia is easily on a list of villains that are the worst of them all simply because if I, or any of us, can come up with a better plan than she did then you know she failed. She's even stupider than Bradford Buzzard (Ducktales 2017).
All i hope to see is odalia being abandoned by her family. Alador deserves full custody of his kids because odalia never even saw them as her kids. I swear, i know belos is horrible but i'm sure we can agree that she is equally horrible like him.
I think there's a 70% of her staying evil/just losing her family, and then maybe a 30% or less chance that she tries to redeem, only because redemption is a major theme of this show, but in her case it would be a stretch.
28:28 “What the hell was that?” It was a Big Lipped Alligator Moment, it comes out of nowhere, doesn't make sense in context, and is never mentioned again.
i think willow and gus getting expelled was for luz’s (and amity’s) character development. she has shifted from the mindset of “the BI is cool and i wanna learn magic!” to “the BI is home and i put the pressure of saving the world and protecting my friends on myself,” and so her motivation doesn’t come from getting herself back at Hexide but getting Willow and Gus back, self sacrificing as is her norm now. If only Luz got expelled, she may internalize Odalia’s message, accept expulsion, and distance herself from her friends. This would make it harder to have Amity’s arc in the episode bc it’s a moment of sudden danger that pushes her over the edge of snapping the necklace. I’m not saying there isn’t other, more logical plots for this episode to show this characterization & character growth but it makes sense why they did what they did
I guess the reason she didnt care thaat Amity stopped hanging out with Boscha and Skara is cuz it didnt affect her academic skills and the business + Boscha and Skara probs didnt tell their parents who in turn didnt tell Odalia.
@@shirendjorgee9320 it wasn’t necessarily referring to her toxic behavior, just that with what we’ve seen of her, it makes sense that the family name Blight came from her
odalia being part of the oracle track, she probably looked into the future she practically used Alador, and she paid attention to Aminty cause Aminty is the more powerful one of her siblings. And she probably confronted Belos possibly, if she saw into the future.
The fact she married alador FOR HIS TALENT not cuz she loved him but because HE benefits her and when she couldn’t be impressive enough she pumped out 3 kids to do it for her !! She was parent mom times 100
Odalia is not only a bad mother to Amity and the twins, she's also a bad wife to Alador, and the worst person on the Boiling Isles, right up there with Belos. The fact that Oldalia remained loyal to Belos, despite knowing Belos' plan to commit mass genocide, she continues to collaborate, thinking she would be exempted and rewarded, well lady, you cannot have a hierarchy without people, but you will be the richest and evilest person in the graveyard.
Usually, when we see a bad parent in a cartoon, that parent is later shown to have a softer side to them or at least an indication that they deep down they love their kids. But not Odalia. In Watching and Dreaming, we can see Amity reuniting with her father and Odalia just stands there, scowling at them. She doesn't even bother to see if her daughter is alright after everything that just happened. We also don't see her at all in the epilogue. This pretty much shows that Odalia never cared about, or even loved her children, and only saw them as employees.
My theory is at the Ambonation-Tron sales Amity was feeling down in the dumps and wanted her friends by her side so she thought "maybe I'll just take the picture so I'll have a piece of them with me".
A major reason I want Camila to go back with them to the Boiling Isles is I think a confrontation between her and Odalia. It would be amazing….especially if Camila brings her chancla…. Either Camila helps Odalia realize the error of her ways, or Odalia just gets her ass beat...win and bigger win.
This is a very splendid and fitting roast vid Kitty Monk i love it! as i said in the chat Odalia has committed so many crimes that she deserves to be in prison, in fact i were a character in TOH i would personally lock her up and throw away the key. and as for Alador again as i said in the chat i would've liked to have seen an episode where Alador learns how to be a single stay at home dad.
@@zacglover3345 so true like the collectors would have had more lore, and Willow and Hunter's relationship wouldnt have been rushed etc etc. it's so unfortunate cuz Disney is such a coward company
Camilla’s not a perfect mother from what we’ve seen but it’s not like she totally wanted to change Luz as a person. She just wanted her daughter to improve in friend making. Plus, y’know that whole thing about bringing live snakes and fireworks to school… Odalia? Yeah she can burn alongside Belos. I don’t think she even cared about Amity at all outside of carrying on her family name.
Isn't it heavily implied that Camila Noceda is neurodivergent as well? In the flashback, it was revealed that the summer camp thing wasn't even her idea- its just that so many adults criticized her for the way she took care of Luz for so long that the principal saying "if you don't do this she's going to suffer like you once did" eventually drove her to make a decision out of fear. Dunno, but that sounds like some kind of generational trauma to me.
I think especially with the later implications, Alador was modtly just trying to placate Odalia by using her own wants and logic to make her stand down. He already showed he didnt approve of Odalia going too far, it doesnt make him a good dad, but it does show he wanted to protect the kids
Theirs a part of me that thinks odalia might be vicariously living for her daughter, since she moved her to look exactly like her, Both in appearance and behavior.🐱
He knows how to manipulate people, and Odalia is easier to play than a violin if you have influence she wants. She wants power and prestige, and being part of the last surviving family is such an easy pitch to her.
The character I would first compare Odalia to is Jacques Schnee from RWBY. And my personal headcanon for Alador is that being forced to work through the fire flu and his staff being laid off made him rethink his attitude. And thinking on it, I think Escaping Expulsion is missing a scene of Willow giving Odalia a wake up call in the form of thorny vines pointed at her face and the glowing eyes of doom. For Clouds on the Horizon, we never see Odalia's coven sigil, and when she summons the poster it has the telltale blue of illusion magic. Alador does have a coven sigil. Which means it is entirely possible that she has been cheating the system the entire time with an illusion, and Belos allowed it because he knew that even without being drained, she would be left in a dead world. Being able to see the future, the Oracle Coven would be the biggest threat to Philip's plans, so he made sure the oracles were all blinded by loyalty.
If Mr Blight is going to get a divorce, the audience will begin to theorize who his new partner will be. But…what woman could fill that space in his life and also give Amity that “mother's love” that she sorely needs?
Personally, I either want him to stay single or potentially fix things with Darius and get with him. I don't think that Amity necessarily needs a mom, just female role models/motherly figures in her life. I'm certain Mrs. Noceda will be a great maternal figure and maybe even Eda at some later point.
I think Alador would wind up in a relationship with Darius, who knows he might even marry him (this could make Hunter like a stepson or something). As for motherly love, I was really hoping that Lilith would be the one to give it to her, I prayed that her redemption arc would involve her becoming a mom to Amity. I don't think I am going to get that. I feel like the best I can hope for is them burying the hatchet. Now I realize that Camila or Eda would be a better fit. Eda has already formed a bond with the twins so becoming a mom to Amity won't be a stretch. Also since Luz and Amity are dating so a relationship of sorts with Camila is inevitable.
Get my girl Camila's name OUT OF YOUR MOUTH! Yeah, she's not perfect, but she loves her kid and tries her best. Plus, she goes to THE DEMON REALM for her. Also, she only recomennded that camp in a desperate attempt to give Luz friends, and liked her crazy antics- even understood them. I know this video is old, but I STAN Camila, and especially with the release of Thanks to Them, all I have to say is... "GO MAMA!!!" Edit: Odalia's thighs, existing. Amity's scrawny frame, also existing. Amity is either a late bloomer, or looks more like her dad.
There's also a disturbing theory that Odalia treated Amity like a miniature version of herself and was the golden child. Probably why the twins treated Amity badly and caused a rift between them.
Personally I saw Alador as someone who is overworked to the point he is sleep deprived all the time. As someone going though colege and have to pull all nighters all the time I know how that can mess with your head. I mean right now I have been up for 2 days trying to get all my work done. I also feel like Alador is someone that knows he is unhappy where he is at in life but refuses to see it because of happy memorys. So I can see him telling his wife that his amity is geting stronger to help calm her down.
So in other words Odalia is in the same row as Nagisa’s mom from Assassination classroom before her character development and not as directly psychotic.
A bad parent that I really want you to talk about is Spitelout from dragons: Race to the Edge. I don't know if you've even seen the show, but with the little we see of him interacting with Snotlout (his son) in the six seasons, we get to see A LOT of his horrible parenting
I'm honestly wondering if I'm the only person that caught the resentment in Alador's eyes whenever he looked at Odalia. There was definately nore going on behind the scenes between the two of them. Alador barely looks at Odalia, and when he does, his expression says he'd rather be anywhere else than next to her. Most prominently (aside from King's tide) when she crushed the Butterfly thing he was trying to study, then grabbed him and reached in to the clothes. To me, the look read something like "I hate you" Maybe if we had a whole season three, or even a season four, we could have seen more in to the dynamic and history of Alador and Odalia.
Somebody actually pointed this out elsewhere, but something to think about that just shows how awful Odalia really is: She was aware of the Day of Unity and Emperor Belos's plan, yet continued to keep trying to sign Amity up for Coven Tryouts.
Honestly really appreciate the character. I love her design, but was also curious on whether she was always a greedy sociopath or if she was made into one. From flashbacks she seemed to be a lot like her daughter Amity especially with her hairstyle. Makes me wonder her exact relationship with the Clawthornes.
Hence me saying whether she was always sociopathic. Made me curious about what her parents were like to make her that entitled. But whatever the case, she tried to mold Amity.
I think she was always that sociopath. Her background cameos of her youth shows her smiling rather evily. And based on Eda & Alador's one interaction I think they're on the lower end of neutral (in spite Eda's dismay of using Luz as a test dummy)
Honestly I think Aledor is now a good character he made mistakes but is trying to fix them and he talks with his kids a lot more than in the past plus he stood up to Odalia
I wish Odalia would have been redeemed, there was a concept story board with her helping the hexside squad but it was cut. I know I should hate her but I just can't, in my mind she could be the result of generational trauma with parents worse than her. It might not excuse everything but I just wish she would reform, hopefully if the spinoff happens we can learn more about her and see another side to her, she was featured in 2 flashbacks so maybe something happened along the way to make her like that?
The vest has the crystal ball of the Oracle coven in groups of 3 in with the balls overlapping in a look that reminds me of those pretenpscous Karen's with their small flower patterns.
I’ve seen a lot of people interpreting Odalia as getting the Blight name from Alador because of its power, fame and prestige. This is of course completely fitting for her character. I however find this to be a complete and utter waste. The name Blight could not fit her more perfectly. It’s not just a name it’s a description. Odalia is a horrid, rotten thing that poisons and corrupts everything she touches. Every toxic element her family holds likely had her hand in it from Alador’s neglect to, the twins bullying, to Amity’s coldness. A family that likely could have been very healthy and happy without her was instead a nightmarish thing brining Misery to all it members until the diseased parts were removed and the healing could truly begin. She is literal Blight to everyone and everything around her especially on her family.
I thought this video would be good for watching while making my brother's b-day card, but, instead I got distracted by talking in the premiere chat and now have to rush to finish it before he gets home, lol. It was really fun anyways, great video! The premiere chat was really fun and I'll miss the people involved in it.
I think you should do a Boscha video because people like despite being in like 5 episodes 2 in which cameos.I just feel like there was so much you can dig into she obviously a mean girl but she passion about her goal and seems like she will work hard to achieve it.
29:55 Nice to see I'm not the only one who had this thought. Everybody was all like "Oh, she's not a homophobe? She's got at least a few standards," But, like, how can you have standards on something that you don't even know exists?
I know people that keep photos because it's the only source of positivity that still exists and can't part with them for even a second. So yeah, another point to Amity being abused. Also, I hate to say it, but Odalia is the type of mother that would not get the CPS after her. Not because she is not awful, but for several reasons. One, the agency is so overworked, and the foster system is so broken that they are more likely to ignore mental abuse when they have more server physically abusive cases to process. Amity appears healthy and not physically abused, or at least not enough to leave marks, so it is more likely to ignore. Two it is only very recently that Odolia can be viewed as an abusive mother instead of an overbearing one that pushes their child too far. There are not a lot of procedures to deal with such parents, especially if physical abuse is not apparent. Three, the type of abuse she is forcing Amity through is one that is difficult to prove. She doesn't seem to physically abuse her children, and what mental abuse we do see is more apparent due to the powers of being an audience but is overall subtle. I argue the signs are less obvious if no one with omission powers of being able to watch Amity's life on television would see her as such. And that is what makes Odalia scary and one I hope gets killed, for how well she could go under the radar and still hurt people with a smile on her face.
I interpreted Amity had that picture because it's a comfort item. She seemed to hate the demonstrations, so it made sense to me that she'd take the pictire with her.
I love how the specials meme on Odalia. First, she gets forced to clean up after the Collector. Then, Belos shows up in his terrifying goop monster form saying "oh yes, I think you'll be quite useful" and she really considers it, only to find out he was talking about Raine. And then she shows up sulking at the end, and Tibbles gets an invite to the King-ceanera over her. Like, damn.
Actually if I remember right, Gus was also involved with the destruction of detention... I mean wasn't he the one that came up with the plan to get them out of it?
I see Odalia as a foil to Camila. One is caring, loving, big hearted, selfless, motherly, brave and heroic. The other is uncaring, unsympathetic, selfish, entitled, childish, egotisticial and iredeemable.
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People are so quick to call Camilla a bad mom when they literally show you all the examples of a bad mom through Odalia.
Yeah. The difference is that Camilla never dissuaded Luz from her interests. She actually does love her daughter’s creativity. But she also wanted her to make friends and to not put herself or anyone else in mortal danger.
Yes! Thank you!! Sure camila may at first didn't understood luz, but she was still a very caring mom who just wanted luz to socialize with others. Odalia though, she is no mother. She's a monster. She is willing to freaking let other witches DIE all so that she can become royalty. I really hope amity meant to never speak to odalia ever again. Odalia deserves no one, she deserves nothing, she deserves to be alone.
Yeah, I think it's a lot of projection going on and not actually looking at some of Luz's behavior in the human realm. They took Camila's decision to send Luz to camp in the most extreme way possible and assumed the worst of her.
Like her bringing potentially venomous snakes into school didn't cross them as a bad idea?
Wait people are still calling Camilla a bad mom?
The entire fandom towards Alador:
"Perhaps I've treated you too harshly"
They did have they're suspects.
I never really had any bad thoughts on Alador I always thought he was misunderstood from the beginning.
My lil sister was like "he liked butterflys, he cant be bad I LOVE HIM"
Your sister is a gem
I never really thought of Alador as a bad person for one reason: his expression & body language. Take a second look at how he acts, the look on his face, his tone of voice, etc.... it all points to an attitude of "I'm so sick of this bitch, but I don't want to deal with the shitstorm she'll cause if I speak out, so I'm keeping my head down."
I was in a relationship with an abusive partner once, and I've experienced what he's gone through, so i feel more than a little empathetic for him. It's better to play your role as a good little peon than to cause trouble, because it isn't worth the drama that will come if you try to go against what "they" want. Thing is, while it keeps you from getting hurt, it ultimately leaves you feeling dead inside. You know you're enabling an abuser, but you're sick of being put down (or worse) so you tolerate it anyway. (I now realize that I was lucky to break the cycle, and I'm proud Alador was able to as well)
I'm also starting to realize the sheer talent of the creators here for creating a realistic acting long-term spouse of an abuser.
Everyone hates Odalia for the same reason that she’s a horrible person but I hate her for being an idiot. Despite being given the info by Belos himself that he wanted to kill EVERYONE on the isles, she really thought that because she’s so special she would be excluded from global genocide. The man wants to kill everyone in the world, what makes you think he’d allow you to live just because you helped him kill everyone?
Alador: Odalia, The emperor plans to kill everyone on the isles
Odalia: I missed the part where that’s my problem
Me: Ok let me repeat that part, HE’S GOING TO KILL YOU
I think she was of the same mind as the Coven Heads. I feel like they knew it was going to kill a lot of people, but thought that they were above that some how.
There is a small posibility she's actually covenless.
In cloud on the horizon she seems to cast a ilusion.(Luz's wanted poster)
She covers hers arms so we may never know
@@dragonico6847 i kinda like this conspiracy
So she’s a Karen
yeah dictartors don't want clever people who would betray them, they want loyality about all else, so what if the people under them are idiots, just easyiere to control
She's not a homophobe, she's a capitalist! GET HER!
"All happy families are alike, but every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way" is why toxic family dynamics are pretty popular in fiction
Camila might not be a perfect parent, but she is nowhere near as bad as Odalia. Odalia has forced her daughter to cut connections with her best friend because she came from a lower class family, forced Amity to dye her hair because she wanted her kids color coded, was willing to let her kids work in her deadly business, and is willing to overlook genocide for money.
I don't even think Camila deserves to be in the category of "bad parent". She's never neglected or ignored Luz, she still very much KNOWS her daughter (well, before she went through some shit in the Boiling Isles). Camila only wanted Luz to go to that camp to learn how to socialize...and stop releasing snakes in schools lol. While Alador, although he loves his children, hasn't been present enough to actually know who they are as people. But it's good he's trying to do better. Odalia, if she loves her kids, only does in the sense that they are extensions of herself. They are worthy of love only when they act how she wants...and that's beyond horrible. Not to mention her disregard for life in general.
As someone in CPTSD therapy and support groups in large part to the kinds of emotional parentification, emotional manipulations, and the physical violence that has been implied by Luz's expectations, grom monster transformation into a larger and scarier twisting of her mom when she yells "have you been lying to me" and "you're breaking my heart" as well as her casual chancla usage against an already incapacitated man that she just didn't like what he was saying at that point.
Fuck camila. Fuck people that act like you have to be "the worst" to be called out for how terrible you are. And fuck the entire concept of comparing traumas oftenin a way that is less sympathetic to poc and low income children than it is to sad white rich kids (especially as that often fails to take into consideration all the trauma tht comes with poverty and/or being minority independent of any parenting)|
Plus if she really knew and cared about luz and just wanted her to socialize better, she wouldn't have sent her to a tax camp and thrown out her favorite books. She would have found some camp that centers around her interests where she can make friends that enjoy the same things she does in a structured environment that showcases appropriate and inappropriate use of creativity and props.
A drama camp, anime, book club, some arts and crafts camp. Something that nurtures what is good and natural about Luz, while also helping her to grow up ion helpful ways,.
So no, I'm not giving credit for her knowing more than alador.
I mean ffs, she's like 10. How is she getting dead birds, spiders, snakes, etc and bringing them to school so often? My mom had 5 kids and 2 jobs and often college herself. She still never overlooked when a kid would try to keep a mouse in the house or bring any kind of animal (let alone fireworks) to school. (brother once got expelled for bringing a knife, but those are pretty easy to hide)
Come on now. Half of her behavior issues is about the fact that she's crying for help and attention and doing shocking things is the only option she sees to either impress her peers, or to have her mom pay attention to *herA* needs for once (instead of just relying on Luz/classic role reversal)
@@joyc.e.7511 Shes so emotionally abusive/emotionally parentifies Luz (very common after divorce or death of another parent or other traumas in the parents life.) so severely she's literally Luz's biggest fear and Luz is too preoccupied with how to emotionally take care of her mom to actually live her own life on several occasional. aNd they hint towards physical abuse as wall (mostly luz's expectations, habit of flinching, and complete fear of a violent reaction when she knows she's upset eda who only said something like "I won't trust you if you make a mess"
She's a shit mom. They come in a wide variety. This one just happens to be terrible in a way that way too many identify with and try to excuse away from their own parents or even themselves. Which makes her extra important to call out, vs the one literally joining the evil team and broadcasting pure evil vibes.
Most abusers are just regular people. Many child abusers are "imperfect parents who try their best". That's just reality.
-Someone in long term therapy due in large part to having a mom like camila
@@foxyfox9196 My heart goes out to you and I hope things are going better for you. But Camila is NOT abusive and is the one parenting Luz, not the other way around. What about Luz's or Camila's behavior made you think differently? Luz behaves like the child she is. The whole reason Camila wants to send Luz to camp is because she believes it's best for her. and wants her to be able to socialize with people her own age. That's parenting.
Camila was Luz's biggest fear because she is the closest person to her. Luz has a hard time making friends due to her eccentric personality, but her mother has never tried to limit her (till she brought live snakes to school). Based on all the things that Vee was going to throw out in episode 10, it's obvious her mother has always supported her and let her be the imaginative child she is. So lying to her, especially on this scale, would bother Luz more than anything else.
I think you're reading too much into Luz's flinching as well as her and her mother's behavior. The show has never shied away from depicting abusive relationships (Hunter and Amity) and I'm certain they would have addressed it if that was how she was. I completely agree that many abusers hide behind the guise of "imperfect parents trying their best" and "tough love" but Camila LITERALLY is just trying her best. She hasn't raised Luz perfectly and maybe the camp idea came off as too drastic. But it was just a normal camp that would have been good for Luz. She probably would have made some friends, like Vee did. Everything we've seen of Camila has been kind and I believe that's how she actually is and always puts Luz first. Not emotionally manipulative. NOT a shit mother. Your basis for saying she is would put all mothers into that category. What better way could Camila have acted?
@@joyc.e.7511 The fact that Luz even has to center Camila's feelings. Weaponizing her feelings to manipulate and extort Luz into appeasing her mom's negative feelings while she was already under stress and really needed a fucking PARENT to be the one providing emotional comfort and support to her.
Hell her entire reason for being upset about the aniversary of her dad's death is because she feels the need to be there for her mom, who still grieving. Implying Luz isn't really able to focus on her own feelings. She's the CHILD
She is a horrible mother. 😡 Not only does she not care about her children or her husband. But she flat out tried to control their lives. And even going so far as to knowingly help the emperor. Knowing that he was planning on killing everyone and didn't care.
To say she’s horrible is a MASSIVE understatement… words can’t describe just how bad she is…
Odalia blight yep terrible mother very Very terrible very clearly
Thought it said ‘She is not a horrible mother 😡’ and had to re-read it
@@elenadehowlerwerewolfqueen8164, I'm reminded of the Nostalgia Critic's review of American Tale Fifle Hoes West.
There was one scene he was like, "I'll just let this next scene speak for itself."
And afterward, he was like, "is there a word that exists to describe how uncomfortable that was? I don't think there is, so I'm just gonna make one up."
So might I suggest that. If there are no words for it, just make up something.
Odalia: WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!
Alador: that was the sound of a F***ING DIVORCE
HAHA, Helluva Boss reference!!!!
I always imagined darius hated alador's abominations because they were machine like. Manufacturered. While his are more organic but now im thinking odalia had a hand in this. Maybe alador was more organic and she corrupted him with the idea of industrialization of abominations
Honestly the rivalry between him and Alador seem a lot professional as both are basically the best specialist in abomination in the entire setting, but frankly Alador seem to be in his own class and if he was more inclined and have much more people skill he will be easily get the spot of head coven
Never thought of it as industry vs nature, but that idea is honestly pretty cool
I think it makes sense that Odalia had Willow and Gus expelled as well even though her main target was Luz. Remember how she's part of the Oracle Track, she might have used her magic to determine the best way to get Luz to come to Blight Maner so she can use the Abomaton on her.
Also, I think Odalia sees this as upholding the "deal" she made when Amity was five. She said that if Amity stayed friends with Willow, that she would use her influence to ensure Willow wouldn't attend Hexside, so when she discovers Amity has a bunch of unapproved friends, she does exactly that and rubs it in over the necklace.
Alador: "Gonna miss dem hips do."
Amity and the twins: "DAD!"
My man
@@robby7499
😁
Darius: *smacks Alador upside the back of the head* "BOI, STOP! You and that old hag are divorced!"
@@leemorrell
😁
Darius doesn't skip Glute Day so Alador should still be happy with all that cake
16:10 luz isn't the only one responsible. Willow agreed to go along with the cheating plan, but she also helped Luz escape by filling the hallway with vines. And gus lied and told Luz he got the ban lifted, which is how she got thrown into detention in the first place, then he also helped her destroy detention. I'm just saying, the other two aren't entirely blameless, here.
I don't know why but I imagine her and Kikimora competing now for who is the best maid for the collector and even wearing aprons with stars
😂 who would have more stars? Odalia or Kikimora? I think it would be Odalia
I have another way Amity’s memory could’ve been the way they have been. It seems like Odalia uses the kids as a weapon against Alador telling him they’re gonna have to “help with the family business” to get him to shut up. Also during their time at hexside when they expelled the squad she seemed to cue when Alador could speak which he stuttered as if he was told what to say. I just have a small feeling that she would’ve used that as a threat before
I swear I had no idea Rachel MacFarlane voiced Odalia. But it is so fitting
that's what I'd thought too
She was heavy on the British snobbery accent that I didn't recognize her.
People with Alador before Odalia: "Why are you such a terrible parent?"
People with Alador AFTER Odalia: "Ah. I see. You're the good parent."
Honestly I think the reason ppl like belos more then odalia despite his actions being worse is odalia is far closer to home.
Like yeah, philip is a cult leader, abuses his nephew, and he's a tyrant bent on genocide.....but he's also a 300 year old puritan who turns into a goop monster, wears a silly bird mask, gets upset when a teenager makes fun of his clothes, and gets splat by a God child.
He's great obviously as metaphors and showcasing real life manipulatiors, but his character is SO ridiculous in concept that its easier to enjoy him as a fictional character then odalia.
Not to mention we have more of his backstory (i still maintain the fact that he's a tragic villian, so to even a small extent the audience can feel bad for him despite what he did and did to himself).
Odalia is not nearly as goofy, nor do we get sympathetic aspects to her, she is always relentlessly awful and cruel and manipulative and selfish and her behavior is sadly reminiscent of people that do exist and you may be related to. Like there are way more people out there like odalia blight then philip wittebane, and you're far more likely to know someone like her then philip.
Belos is evil but he's also completely ridiculous and easy to goof on.
Odalia never gets too goofy, she stays as realistic as one could get making a selfish manipulative witch mom.
So while belos did worse, the fact the fandom enjoys him far more then odalia makes a lot of sense.
So the Dolores Umbridge effect?
@@danielasarmiento3101 Fair comparison. Tom had some reasons to be angry, and despite racism underlying his world view, he was also a snake nosed supervillain obsessed with immortality. Dolores was much more mundane as a bigoted beurocratic bish.
hmmm reading this gives me a feeling that odalia might become the main villain in season 3...
@@bthsr7113 And that's not even getting into Tom having been conceived under a date-rape drug used by a destabilized woman. We're just after him for making his far-reaching choices to be a dangerous moron regardless.
But Odalia, like Scumb*tch, is just frustrating with no real attempt at a valid excuse. And with Odalia, my favorite part is her abuse of Alador. We do NOT need abusive wives like that exploiting the system, thank you.
Odalia is a bad mother but in my opinion she’s a good Edition to the story, it gives children watching the show an idea of “hey this behaviors real bad, if an adult where to treat me like this I would tell someone.” Or at least that’s what I like to think, it’s simply my interpretation of it. She’s also a good edition to help develop Amity, not only that she has a lot of potential and if Amity was the mc then Odalia would be a much bigger player in the story. Either way I like her as a character and I hate her as a person.
I love your profile picture
At least Alador is like a way better version of Preston Northwest. Also, I like it when the most hated people get roasted because it feels so right.
Let’s hope she doesn’t get redeemed or forgiven
There's nothing to redeem, honestly.
I hope so too. It's good to give others second chances, but people like odalia??... screw her, she deserves nothing! 😠
@@joyc.e.7511 or to forgive for
I think that's what Alador's for.
Odalia shows the kind of abusive parent you should cut off while Alador shows the kind of abusive parent that is worth forgiving because they legitimately try to be better and realize their errors
@@slaybutton1692 100%, their both abusers on different paths. Alador hurt amity a lot but he's trying to change.
You're not wrong about the bad parent pattern in animation. It sucks cause when there are good parents it celebrated and not standard. Honestly I can only think of Stoic the vast from How to train your dragon of the top of my head even with his issues he genuinely loves his son and genuinely trying his best to raise him and prepare him for what's to come.
then we also have mister Ping from kung fu panda who, despite being Po's adoptive father and would like for him to inherit the restaurant one day, he truly loves Po, genuinely sees him as his son and is supportive on his kung fun dream. He never belittles him or his dream, telling him "you're a big fat panda. You can't do kung fu! Your destiny is soup!" or stuff along those lines; and when Po is feeling down and questions himself, mister Ping cheers him up and helps him understand things by revealing to him the secret to his special soup
With where she looked before Alador said 'You knew?' I think she was looking where her Oracle Coven mark would be, indicated she predicted something along those lines beforehand and thus was not surprised. At least that's how I interpreted it.
I thought she was looking at her nails, like she was bored.
No, no. She's not _worse_ than Belos. She's the Umbridge to his Voldemort.
It's easy to hate Odalia for being a horrible person and terrible mother and wife; we're suppose to hate her for that. However, I really hate for being a stupid businesswoman and being so blind as to side with Belos's plan, thinking that she would survive or even benefit from without any real contigencies. She knew the whole plan and still didn't try to make absolutley sure she and "the family" survived. Even if she turned out to be conveless witch (since I've heard people say that she might) and safe from the draining spell, she had a literal army she could take control and use against Belos, stop his plan and come out on top as the Boiling Isle's saviour and likely be recognized as the next ruler. It's like that thought didn't even cross her mind.
Odalia is easily on a list of villains that are the worst of them all simply because if I, or any of us, can come up with a better plan than she did then you know she failed. She's even stupider than Bradford Buzzard (Ducktales 2017).
Honestly, I'm so curious what she is going to do in S3.
I have the feeling her role is not finished yet.
All i hope to see is odalia being abandoned by her family. Alador deserves full custody of his kids because odalia never even saw them as her kids. I swear, i know belos is horrible but i'm sure we can agree that she is equally horrible like him.
Honestly see her trying to pull a Mr. Northwest moment and trying to become a "Horsemen of the Apocalypse" for the Collector.
@@robby7499 And then the collector turns her into a Mrs Potato head, and rearranges her toy limbs 💀
I hope she gets disgraced like the Northwest parents in Gravity Falls. She’s irredeemable.
I think there's a 70% of her staying evil/just losing her family, and then maybe a 30% or less chance that she tries to redeem, only because redemption is a major theme of this show, but in her case it would be a stretch.
28:28 “What the hell was that?” It was a Big Lipped Alligator Moment, it comes out of nowhere, doesn't make sense in context, and is never mentioned again.
I always wondered if Odalia had the twins at one point wear the same type of Oricale communication pendant.
i think willow and gus getting expelled was for luz’s (and amity’s) character development.
she has shifted from the mindset of “the BI is cool and i wanna learn magic!” to “the BI is home and i put the pressure of saving the world and protecting my friends on myself,” and so her motivation doesn’t come from getting herself back at Hexide but getting Willow and Gus back, self sacrificing as is her norm now. If only Luz got expelled, she may internalize Odalia’s message, accept expulsion, and distance herself from her friends. This would make it harder to have Amity’s arc in the episode bc it’s a moment of sudden danger that pushes her over the edge of snapping the necklace.
I’m not saying there isn’t other, more logical plots for this episode to show this characterization & character growth but it makes sense why they did what they did
Odelia is built like a pixar mommy but has a Karen personality 😂
I guess the reason she didnt care thaat Amity stopped hanging out with Boscha and Skara is cuz it didnt affect her academic skills and the business + Boscha and Skara probs didnt tell their parents who in turn didnt tell Odalia.
I would not be surprised if the name blight was Odalia’s family name and had alador change his when they got “married”
probably
That isn’t bad in itself, as women are often expected to do so anyway. Not defending Odalia, but I don’t think this is an example of her bad behaviour
@@shirendjorgee9320 it wasn’t necessarily referring to her toxic behavior, just that with what we’ve seen of her, it makes sense that the family name Blight came from her
odalia being part of the oracle track, she probably looked into the future she practically used Alador, and she paid attention to Aminty cause Aminty is the more powerful one of her siblings. And she probably confronted Belos possibly, if she saw into the future.
I always thought the reason Darius doesn’t like Alador is because of the abamotrons and he feels they disrespect abomination magic
The fact she married alador FOR HIS TALENT not cuz she loved him but because HE benefits her and when she couldn’t be impressive enough she pumped out 3 kids to do it for her !!
She was parent mom times 100
Say what you will about Alador, at least he realized his poor parenting and changed for the better.
You're damn right, he did!!! And that's on Character Development!!!💯
Odalia is not only a bad mother to Amity and the twins, she's also a bad wife to Alador, and the worst person on the Boiling Isles, right up there with Belos. The fact that Oldalia remained loyal to Belos, despite knowing Belos' plan to commit mass genocide, she continues to collaborate, thinking she would be exempted and rewarded, well lady, you cannot have a hierarchy without people, but you will be the richest and evilest person in the graveyard.
Usually, when we see a bad parent in a cartoon, that parent is later shown to have a softer side to them or at least an indication that they deep down they love their kids. But not Odalia. In Watching and Dreaming, we can see Amity reuniting with her father and Odalia just stands there, scowling at them. She doesn't even bother to see if her daughter is alright after everything that just happened. We also don't see her at all in the epilogue. This pretty much shows that Odalia never cared about, or even loved her children, and only saw them as employees.
I personally see it as shame, shame of her decisions, her actions and how far she went. She knows she goofed up but doesn't know what to do to fix it
Odalia is eerily similar to Coco Chanel, in that she's assisting genocide just to save her own skin
I thought you said Coco Melon for a sec 💀
@@katie15732 Coco Melon is something very different 😅. I don't know of those guys aiding and abetting genocidal maniacs
That shouldn't have made me laugh as hard as it did thank you for this
@@lornbaker1083 No problem
THE THICC THIGHS CANNOT SAVE YOU FROM DESTROYING LIVES.
But it *CAN* excuse you.
I think Belos told Odalia because he knew she would be likely to sell out everyone.
Belos played her like a triangle (because it's the easiest instrument to use)
@@zacglover3345that is the sickest burn I’ve ever heard
My theory is at the Ambonation-Tron sales Amity was feeling down in the dumps and wanted her friends by her side so she thought "maybe I'll just take the picture so I'll have a piece of them with me".
Oh boy, the most hated character in The Owl House. I think she serves her role as an antagonist well, especially in contrast to Alador
A major reason I want Camila to go back with them to the Boiling Isles is I think a confrontation between her and Odalia. It would be amazing….especially if Camila brings her chancla….
Either Camila helps Odalia realize the error of her ways, or Odalia just gets her ass beat...win and bigger win.
welp......
you got two more wishes. Use them wisely
@@floricel_112 I intend to.
I legit cheered at that moment.
This is a very splendid and fitting roast vid Kitty Monk i love it! as i said in the chat Odalia has committed so many crimes that she deserves to be in prison, in fact i were a character in TOH i would personally lock her up and throw away the key. and as for Alador again as i said in the chat i would've liked to have seen an episode where Alador learns how to be a single stay at home dad.
Alador would have had more development if Disney didn't cut TOH short
Many owl house characters got the short end of the stick because of Disney
@@zacglover3345 so true like the collectors would have had more lore, and Willow and Hunter's relationship wouldnt have been rushed etc etc. it's so unfortunate cuz Disney is such a coward company
Camilla’s not a perfect mother from what we’ve seen but it’s not like she totally wanted to change Luz as a person. She just wanted her daughter to improve in friend making. Plus, y’know that whole thing about bringing live snakes and fireworks to school…
Odalia? Yeah she can burn alongside Belos. I don’t think she even cared about Amity at all outside of carrying on her family name.
Isn't it heavily implied that Camila Noceda is neurodivergent as well? In the flashback, it was revealed that the summer camp thing wasn't even her idea- its just that so many adults criticized her for the way she took care of Luz for so long that the principal saying "if you don't do this she's going to suffer like you once did" eventually drove her to make a decision out of fear.
Dunno, but that sounds like some kind of generational trauma to me.
Odalia makes Norman Osborn from The Spectacular Spider-Man Look like father of year.
I think especially with the later implications, Alador was modtly just trying to placate Odalia by using her own wants and logic to make her stand down. He already showed he didnt approve of Odalia going too far, it doesnt make him a good dad, but it does show he wanted to protect the kids
Theirs a part of me that thinks odalia might be vicariously living for her daughter, since she moved her to look exactly like her, Both in appearance and behavior.🐱
*Through, not for, otherwise yeah.. Seen a sad amount of parents doing this and it makes me ill
If Belos wasn't even going to let the Coven heads live, what made Odalia think he'd let her live!
He knows how to manipulate people, and Odalia is easier to play than a violin if you have influence she wants. She wants power and prestige, and being part of the last surviving family is such an easy pitch to her.
The character I would first compare Odalia to is Jacques Schnee from RWBY.
And my personal headcanon for Alador is that being forced to work through the fire flu and his staff being laid off made him rethink his attitude.
And thinking on it, I think Escaping Expulsion is missing a scene of Willow giving Odalia a wake up call in the form of thorny vines pointed at her face and the glowing eyes of doom.
For Clouds on the Horizon, we never see Odalia's coven sigil, and when she summons the poster it has the telltale blue of illusion magic. Alador does have a coven sigil. Which means it is entirely possible that she has been cheating the system the entire time with an illusion, and Belos allowed it because he knew that even without being drained, she would be left in a dead world. Being able to see the future, the Oracle Coven would be the biggest threat to Philip's plans, so he made sure the oracles were all blinded by loyalty.
If Mr Blight is going to get a divorce, the audience will begin to theorize who his new partner will be.
But…what woman could fill that space in his life and also give Amity that “mother's love” that she sorely needs?
Personally, I either want him to stay single or potentially fix things with Darius and get with him. I don't think that Amity necessarily needs a mom, just female role models/motherly figures in her life. I'm certain Mrs. Noceda will be a great maternal figure and maybe even Eda at some later point.
I think Alador would wind up in a relationship with Darius, who knows he might even marry him (this could make Hunter like a stepson or something).
As for motherly love, I was really hoping that Lilith would be the one to give it to her, I prayed that her redemption arc would involve her becoming a mom to Amity. I don't think I am going to get that. I feel like the best I can hope for is them burying the hatchet.
Now I realize that Camila or Eda would be a better fit. Eda has already formed a bond with the twins so becoming a mom to Amity won't be a stretch. Also since Luz and Amity are dating so a relationship of sorts with Camila is inevitable.
Get my girl Camila's name OUT OF YOUR MOUTH!
Yeah, she's not perfect, but she loves her kid and tries her best. Plus, she goes to THE DEMON REALM for her. Also, she only recomennded that camp in a desperate attempt to give Luz friends, and liked her crazy antics- even understood them.
I know this video is old, but I STAN Camila, and especially with the release of Thanks to Them, all I have to say is...
"GO MAMA!!!"
Edit: Odalia's thighs, existing.
Amity's scrawny frame, also existing.
Amity is either a late bloomer, or looks more like her dad.
Odalia = Umbridge.
They are basically all in the same, they have to act a bad character but their voice actor or actor is quite kind.
If odaila is umbridge then belos is voldemort
Odalia looks like an older stressed out Shego from Kim possible.
Oh please don't insult Shego. Shego's got style and standards.
odalia blight terrible mother @
Why would Odalia need social points if literally everyone else is *D E A D*
There's also a disturbing theory that Odalia treated Amity like a miniature version of herself and was the golden child. Probably why the twins treated Amity badly and caused a rift between them.
Personally I saw Alador as someone who is overworked to the point he is sleep deprived all the time. As someone going though colege and have to pull all nighters all the time I know how that can mess with your head. I mean right now I have been up for 2 days trying to get all my work done. I also feel like Alador is someone that knows he is unhappy where he is at in life but refuses to see it because of happy memorys. So I can see him telling his wife that his amity is geting stronger to help calm her down.
So in other words Odalia is in the same row as Nagisa’s mom from Assassination classroom before her character development and not as directly psychotic.
I think that the alador rat (alarat?) is alador’s palisman because we have literally never seen his palisman
A bad parent that I really want you to talk about is Spitelout from dragons: Race to the Edge. I don't know if you've even seen the show, but with the little we see of him interacting with Snotlout (his son) in the six seasons, we get to see A LOT of his horrible parenting
Dana did a pretty good job at shutting down the assumptions that Camilla was a bad mom with “Thanks to Them”.
Something tells me that Odalia spittle get along with the Green Goblin in business, cruelty and insanity.
33:36 Odalia Blight: Are you trying to make me look bad?
Me: You already made yourself look bad.
That's what I'm saying! She's not needing any help in that department!
First of all I feel bad that I laughed at the burger of the day joke😅, second of all he comes with his own Salat.
The fact she had alador in a tight grip is so sad cause i guarantee he couldn't just leave because of her
I'm honestly wondering if I'm the only person that caught the resentment in Alador's eyes whenever he looked at Odalia. There was definately nore going on behind the scenes between the two of them. Alador barely looks at Odalia, and when he does, his expression says he'd rather be anywhere else than next to her. Most prominently (aside from King's tide) when she crushed the Butterfly thing he was trying to study, then grabbed him and reached in to the clothes. To me, the look read something like "I hate you" Maybe if we had a whole season three, or even a season four, we could have seen more in to the dynamic and history of Alador and Odalia.
Somebody actually pointed this out elsewhere, but something to think about that just shows how awful Odalia really is:
She was aware of the Day of Unity and Emperor Belos's plan, yet continued to keep trying to sign Amity up for Coven Tryouts.
Honestly really appreciate the character. I love her design, but was also curious on whether she was always a greedy sociopath or if she was made into one.
From flashbacks she seemed to be a lot like her daughter Amity especially with her hairstyle. Makes me wonder her exact relationship with the Clawthornes.
Clearly no, because when see her younger self again the only face she made was a sketchy glare.
Hence me saying whether she was always sociopathic. Made me curious about what her parents were like to make her that entitled.
But whatever the case, she tried to mold Amity.
I think she was always that sociopath. Her background cameos of her youth shows her smiling rather evily. And based on Eda & Alador's one interaction I think they're on the lower end of neutral (in spite Eda's dismay of using Luz as a test dummy)
I think you said it best in third video on Ador that she's arguably worse than Fire lord Ozai from Avatar and that's a real high bar to top
Honestly I think Aledor is now a good character he made mistakes but is trying to fix them and he talks with his kids a lot more than in the past plus he stood up to Odalia
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Man I guess there is a reason why he is considered a bad parent like he got four episodes on her channel dedicated on how he tortured hunter
19:10 I think the abominations are effectively mindless, most of the time. I mean, Amity used one in another episode as bait for a monster
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SHE ACTUALLY DOES,LOOK CLOSELY.
I love the reuercing joke of Odalia being Haley and Alador being Jeff. so much so I now correlate it to American Dad
I wish Odalia would have been redeemed, there was a concept story board with her helping the hexside squad but it was cut. I know I should hate her but I just can't, in my mind she could be the result of generational trauma with parents worse than her. It might not excuse everything but I just wish she would reform, hopefully if the spinoff happens we can learn more about her and see another side to her, she was featured in 2 flashbacks so maybe something happened along the way to make her like that?
The vest has the crystal ball of the Oracle coven in groups of 3 in with the balls overlapping in a look that reminds me of those pretenpscous Karen's with their small flower patterns.
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Simply because he probably knew he could more abomitoms out of Odalia if he clued her in to the skeam
I’ve seen a lot of people interpreting Odalia as getting the Blight name from Alador because of its power, fame and prestige.
This is of course completely fitting for her character.
I however find this to be a complete and utter waste.
The name Blight could not fit her more perfectly. It’s not just a name it’s a description.
Odalia is a horrid, rotten thing that poisons and corrupts everything she touches. Every toxic element her family holds likely had her hand in it from Alador’s neglect to, the twins bullying, to Amity’s coldness. A family that likely could have been very healthy and happy without her was instead a nightmarish thing brining Misery to all it members until the diseased parts were removed and the healing could truly begin.
She is literal Blight to everyone and everything around her especially on her family.
I thought this video would be good for watching while making my brother's b-day card, but, instead I got distracted by talking in the premiere chat and now have to rush to finish it before he gets home, lol.
It was really fun anyways, great video! The premiere chat was really fun and I'll miss the people involved in it.
how’s the card going
@@bethanykroemer559 I am _maybe_ half way done and I deeply regret my choice of art style, lol. I really hope he appreciates it.
Thanks for asking.
I'm watching this video while finishing my essay, but I got distracted by the video too 😅
She wants Gus and Willow expelled as well for isolation so Amity can’t rely on/lean on anyone
Remember, No Mother Wants To Be A Karen!
I think you should do a Boscha video because people like despite being in like 5 episodes 2 in which cameos.I just feel like there was so much you can dig into she obviously a mean girl but she passion about her goal and seems like she will work hard to achieve it.
29:55 Nice to see I'm not the only one who had this thought. Everybody was all like "Oh, she's not a homophobe? She's got at least a few standards," But, like, how can you have standards on something that you don't even know exists?
It was mainly just a joke
I know people that keep photos because it's the only source of positivity that still exists and can't part with them for even a second. So yeah, another point to Amity being abused.
Also, I hate to say it, but Odalia is the type of mother that would not get the CPS after her. Not because she is not awful, but for several reasons. One, the agency is so overworked, and the foster system is so broken that they are more likely to ignore mental abuse when they have more server physically abusive cases to process. Amity appears healthy and not physically abused, or at least not enough to leave marks, so it is more likely to ignore. Two it is only very recently that Odolia can be viewed as an abusive mother instead of an overbearing one that pushes their child too far. There are not a lot of procedures to deal with such parents, especially if physical abuse is not apparent. Three, the type of abuse she is forcing Amity through is one that is difficult to prove. She doesn't seem to physically abuse her children, and what mental abuse we do see is more apparent due to the powers of being an audience but is overall subtle. I argue the signs are less obvious if no one with omission powers of being able to watch Amity's life on television would see her as such.
And that is what makes Odalia scary and one I hope gets killed, for how well she could go under the radar and still hurt people with a smile on her face.
That was very good! I do hope you get to Boscha soon
Odalia literally reminds me of my mother. Which terrifies me.
Edit: "her mother was a jackal and her father...was a used car salesman!" I almost died.
15:45 Because they were also in the Grom photo Odalia saw, so guilty by association?
I interpreted Amity had that picture because it's a comfort item. She seemed to hate the demonstrations, so it made sense to me that she'd take the pictire with her.
I love how the specials meme on Odalia. First, she gets forced to clean up after the Collector. Then, Belos shows up in his terrifying goop monster form saying "oh yes, I think you'll be quite useful" and she really considers it, only to find out he was talking about Raine. And then she shows up sulking at the end, and Tibbles gets an invite to the King-ceanera over her. Like, damn.
0:39 Don't forget the Hex Mix and Apple Blood.
Actually if I remember right, Gus was also involved with the destruction of detention... I mean wasn't he the one that came up with the plan to get them out of it?
Odalia: “are you trying to make me look bad?” Me: honey, look in the mirror, you already look horrendous🙄😒
Apparently, Odalia needed help in that department, on the inside OR out
On regards to the amity flashback with her parents, with how Alador was written later the writers and show runner 100% retconned Alador
Where is that dialogue at the start from “babe your having a bad dream ahhh Jeff your having a bad dream no I’m not you broke my arm”
I enjoyed it.
Girl looks like a rejected splatoon idol 💀
The only thing that isn't negative about Odalia is that she isn't homophobic
That doesn't mean anything when nobody on the Isles is. Except probably Belos.
I see Odalia as a foil to Camila.
One is caring, loving, big hearted, selfless, motherly, brave and heroic.
The other is uncaring, unsympathetic, selfish, entitled, childish, egotisticial and iredeemable.
Wasn’t expecting you telling us you’re thick