When I did the Wing Rack IEM video, I also was working on pieces for this Overview video, especially since in some ways the two concepts dovetailed. Obviously, the Wing Rack can do much more than just be a dedicated IEM mixer for a band so I wanted to explore that more. But, it also works REALLY well in that compact IEM mixer role. Especially with all buses being stereo and the ability to rather inexpensively expand the output count for SEVERAL stereo IEM mixes (using StageCONNECT or else AES50 boxes...). I also wanted to do a bit of a comparison with the X32 Rack. Especially with that becoming a Facebook forum topic. And in some cases, bands might already have the things they need to expand the I/O count already on hand. For example, if someone was using an X32 Rack and maxing it out and wanting the extra power of the Wing Rack (but 'needing' the extra outputs they were getting by utilizing the X32 Rack's Aux outs), they could keep and use the X32 Rack as additional I/O for the Wing Rack. So, that would give them the 8 local outs of the Wing Rack AND the 8 local outs of the X32 Rack. Plus the additional 16 mic inputs of the X32 Rack could become external preamps for the Wing Rack as well. And I guess the Aux I/O would be available as well. Or someone that already has a DL32 (or S32) in inventory for an Midas M32R or something along those lines. As always, feel free to share the video link. Drop me any comments or questions here. Likes and subscribes always appreciated!! ------------------------ 📦📦📦 Affiliate Links 📦📦📦 🚀🎤Sweetwater Affiliate Link: sweetwater.sjv.io/PybnYY 📦📦Alan Hamilton Audio Amazon Storefront (Items from video and more): www.amazon.com/shop/alanhamiltonaudio 📦Amazon Product Pages : PRORECK Rack Mount TRS XLR Combo Splitter Snake Cable (24ch splitter) - amzn.to/4evxyjv ECHOGEAR Rack Cable Management Tie Bar Kit - amzn.to/3zW0CBG “As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases.” "I earn from affiliate link purchases" Items purchased thru affiliate links come at no additional cost to viewers, but these purchases can earn the channel commissions. ------------------------------- ✨Other Channel Videos- IEM Rig Tips: ruclips.net/video/cHGo2HyLsRk/видео.html Building an IEM Rig With the Behringer XR18 | Midas MR18: ruclips.net/video/xT9gTBFxvZk/видео.html Sennheiser EW4 IEM Setup: ruclips.net/video/XLCqQ3rF5Sg/видео.html Antenna Combiners for IEMs: ruclips.net/video/ACFCKs00rlQ/видео.html A Soundcheck in Action: ruclips.net/video/k2wgnPQI_is/видео.html Video referenced in this video- ✨Wing Rack as an IEM/Dedicated Monitor Console: ruclips.net/video/eDTr0d6LGU4/видео.html 🎚Behringer Wing Website (With download links for software): www.behringer.com/behringer/wing
Received mine today. Now for the work of setting it up and transferring all of my X32 settings. Then playing with the effects. In the beginning, I'll be using it with a DL32 and a DN4816-O (to drive my IEMs).
@@pvampman It was available as of about Oct 1 or thereabouts. Some places might be sold out and needing to get more though. It's been a hit. If you click the 'shopping' link that is in the video (lower left) I think they still have some there. Or at least did when I tagged them for the link.
Hi Alan……. We are moving from an XR18 rack unit to the new Wing rack once it comes in. I know in the past you had videos on drum EQ settings that we used as base points in the past when we setup or XR18. They were great starting points. Do you have the same videos available for the Wing EQ? We are a full e-band all direct including drums. Is it part of your patron page? I’d like to do the same with the drum kit as a starting point if possible. The EQ on the Wing does not mimic the XR18 as I tried to carry the same settings over to the Wing but the EQ’s are different it appears?
Any perspective on the feedback from users regarding the four headphone outputs? My guess would be most would have preferred 8 more XLR outputs in that space?
Hi! Please give me the factory firmware for the Wing Rack. Version 2.x. Is needed to update the external Dante card. On 3.x, it does not work in the Dante controller. You can download it by USB cable.
I think you're correct... But I don't recall hearing it. Or at least being bothered by it. So I'm thinking any concerns about fan noise should be pretty low. EDIT: And it MIGHT be I'm just remembering vents, or even vents for a fan, and maybe there's no fan there. I don't want to be quoted as saying there's a fan as much as saying I don't recall hearing any fan noise that bothered me. No fan would certainly be quiet and not bother me! ;)
@@Izya__ Heat hasn't been issue for when I've had it on. Behringer prints this about heat in their specs: Standard operating temperature range 5°C - 40°C (41°F - 104°F)
The Wing Rack is definitely the more powerful mixer and has way more ability to expand much further than that X32 Rack can go. Not just because of the options for hardware to be added, but internally the Wing Rack can feed and control more I/O. But, like I point out in the video, if you just want to buy one piece of gear and max it out without any expansion, the X32 Rack can have more outputs 'out of the box' than the Wing Rack. While the Wing Rack has more mic inputs and of course those additional mic inputs can take the place of the Aux inputs on the X32 Rack. Input-wise, out of the box, the Wing Rack wins that battle. But... Nothing on the Wing Rack can give you anything to compensate for those X32 Aux outputs though... unless you add more hardware... And while you can add more hardware to the X32 Rack as well... it can't natively utilize the StageCONNECT boxes like the Wing Rack can. And those boxes are some smaller (1sp) form factor boxes that can really add to the I/O for not a lot of additional money. Moreso, the mixing engine of the Wing Rack can utilize those outputs for way more STEREO outputs (which can translate to stereo IEM mixes). Of course we could also be talking FOH outputs, fills, delay speaker mixes, a stream mix feed, a recording feed, balcony speakers, nursery speakers, foyer speakers, etc... Depending on the venue and application. It's not just a matter of having outputs for stereo IEMs (or other sep mixes). You also have to have the (stereo) buses within the console to feed them. The X32 platform has MONO buses with a stereo 'option'. For stereo outputs you have to link 2 buses. The Wing has STEREO buses. So those bus sends are already stereo and you just need to add outputs for them to send to. IOW, 16 stereo buses can feed twice the outputs of 16 mono buses. And 16 mono buses add up to only 8 stereo outputs. Of course, the X32 Rack can become 'additional hardware' and BE more I/O for a later Wing Rack purchase. So it's not like an X32 Rack has to necessarily be orphaned when a Wing Rack is added to a band's rack. And not all bands have to have stereo IEM mixes. Or might not even be on IEMs and just need mono wedges. Or there aren't that many overall outputs even with FOH outputs included. But in those cases, then the band's outputs might fit with the Wing Rack's 8 outputs in the first place. Then the comments about adding additional hardware becomes a moot point. And in that case, the Wing Rack is the easy choice IMO.
I imagine they might have plans for StageCONNECT to handle a lot of what Ultranet has done in the past. Not sure of that though. There's also the Klark Teknik DN4816U which is (currently anyway) US$159.00 or so... It does a bunch of Ultranet/StageCONNECT and even USB 'tricks'. I don't know if one of them is an interface to take a StageCONNECT output from the Wing and let it then feed Ultranet to a P16 system or not. Maybe someone who has already went down this road and knows will comment.
Behringer's page says 9.44 kg and Google says that is about 21lbs. I would've guessed less than that so I'm glad I looked it up instead of telling you what I thought it probably was. 😉 It also says it draws 130W as far as power consumption goes.
When I did the Wing Rack IEM video, I also was working on pieces for this Overview video, especially since in some ways the two concepts dovetailed. Obviously, the Wing Rack can do much more than just be a dedicated IEM mixer for a band so I wanted to explore that more. But, it also works REALLY well in that compact IEM mixer role. Especially with all buses being stereo and the ability to rather inexpensively expand the output count for SEVERAL stereo IEM mixes (using StageCONNECT or else AES50 boxes...). I also wanted to do a bit of a comparison with the X32 Rack. Especially with that becoming a Facebook forum topic.
And in some cases, bands might already have the things they need to expand the I/O count already on hand. For example, if someone was using an X32 Rack and maxing it out and wanting the extra power of the Wing Rack (but 'needing' the extra outputs they were getting by utilizing the X32 Rack's Aux outs), they could keep and use the X32 Rack as additional I/O for the Wing Rack.
So, that would give them the 8 local outs of the Wing Rack AND the 8 local outs of the X32 Rack. Plus the additional 16 mic inputs of the X32 Rack could become external preamps for the Wing Rack as well. And I guess the Aux I/O would be available as well.
Or someone that already has a DL32 (or S32) in inventory for an Midas M32R or something along those lines.
As always, feel free to share the video link.
Drop me any comments or questions here.
Likes and subscribes always appreciated!!
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Sennheiser EW4 IEM Setup:
ruclips.net/video/XLCqQ3rF5Sg/видео.html
Antenna Combiners for IEMs:
ruclips.net/video/ACFCKs00rlQ/видео.html
A Soundcheck in Action:
ruclips.net/video/k2wgnPQI_is/видео.html
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✨Wing Rack as an IEM/Dedicated Monitor Console:
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🎚Behringer Wing Website (With download links for software):
www.behringer.com/behringer/wing
Received mine today. Now for the work of setting it up and transferring all of my X32 settings. Then playing with the effects. In the beginning, I'll be using it with a DL32 and a DN4816-O (to drive my IEMs).
Cool. It'll be fun. Might not hurt to have a powered speaker of some sort (and mic) just in case you need to confirm something with your routing.
Thought it wasn’t available till March?
@@pvampman It was available as of about Oct 1 or thereabouts. Some places might be sold out and needing to get more though. It's been a hit.
If you click the 'shopping' link that is in the video (lower left) I think they still have some there. Or at least did when I tagged them for the link.
@@AlanHamiltonAudio I have one of those little boxes that has a tone generator and a speaker - forget the brand - like a Whirlwind, but has meters.
Hi Al!
Hey Hunter!
Hi Alan……. We are moving from an XR18 rack unit to the new Wing rack once it comes in. I know in the past you had videos on drum EQ settings that we used as base points in the past when we setup or XR18. They were great starting points. Do you have the same videos available for the Wing EQ? We are a full e-band all direct including drums. Is it part of your patron page? I’d like to do the same with the drum kit as a starting point if possible. The EQ on the Wing does not mimic the XR18 as I tried to carry the same settings over to the Wing but the EQ’s are different it appears?
I'm in the process of doing something for the Patreon page to have up later this week.
www.patreon.com/c/AlanHamiltonAudio
@ I’ll be finishing my sign up for that after I type this. Thank you!!!!!
@@mrsimulator9844 Thanks!!!
Any perspective on the feedback from users regarding the four headphone outputs? My guess would be most would have preferred 8 more XLR outputs in that space?
Hi! Please give me the factory firmware for the Wing Rack. Version 2.x. Is needed to update the external Dante card. On 3.x, it does not work in the Dante controller.
You can download it by USB cable.
What about fan inside?
I think there is one behind the screen? But don't quote me on that
I think you're correct... But I don't recall hearing it. Or at least being bothered by it. So I'm thinking any concerns about fan noise should be pretty low.
EDIT: And it MIGHT be I'm just remembering vents, or even vents for a fan, and maybe there's no fan there. I don't want to be quoted as saying there's a fan as much as saying I don't recall hearing any fan noise that bothered me. No fan would certainly be quiet and not bother me! ;)
@@AlanHamiltonAudio I'm don't worry about noise, i'm worried about heating
@@Izya__ Heat hasn't been issue for when I've had it on. Behringer prints this about heat in their specs:
Standard operating temperature range
5°C - 40°C (41°F - 104°F)
X32 rack vs Wing Rack?
The Wing Rack is definitely the more powerful mixer and has way more ability to expand much further than that X32 Rack can go. Not just because of the options for hardware to be added, but internally the Wing Rack can feed and control more I/O.
But, like I point out in the video, if you just want to buy one piece of gear and max it out without any expansion, the X32 Rack can have more outputs 'out of the box' than the Wing Rack. While the Wing Rack has more mic inputs and of course those additional mic inputs can take the place of the Aux inputs on the X32 Rack. Input-wise, out of the box, the Wing Rack wins that battle.
But...
Nothing on the Wing Rack can give you anything to compensate for those X32 Aux outputs though... unless you add more hardware...
And while you can add more hardware to the X32 Rack as well... it can't natively utilize the StageCONNECT boxes like the Wing Rack can. And those boxes are some smaller (1sp) form factor boxes that can really add to the I/O for not a lot of additional money. Moreso, the mixing engine of the Wing Rack can utilize those outputs for way more STEREO outputs (which can translate to stereo IEM mixes). Of course we could also be talking FOH outputs, fills, delay speaker mixes, a stream mix feed, a recording feed, balcony speakers, nursery speakers, foyer speakers, etc... Depending on the venue and application.
It's not just a matter of having outputs for stereo IEMs (or other sep mixes). You also have to have the (stereo) buses within the console to feed them. The X32 platform has MONO buses with a stereo 'option'. For stereo outputs you have to link 2 buses. The Wing has STEREO buses. So those bus sends are already stereo and you just need to add outputs for them to send to.
IOW, 16 stereo buses can feed twice the outputs of 16 mono buses. And 16 mono buses add up to only 8 stereo outputs.
Of course, the X32 Rack can become 'additional hardware' and BE more I/O for a later Wing Rack purchase. So it's not like an X32 Rack has to necessarily be orphaned when a Wing Rack is added to a band's rack.
And not all bands have to have stereo IEM mixes. Or might not even be on IEMs and just need mono wedges. Or there aren't that many overall outputs even with FOH outputs included. But in those cases, then the band's outputs might fit with the Wing Rack's 8 outputs in the first place. Then the comments about adding additional hardware becomes a moot point. And in that case, the Wing Rack is the easy choice IMO.
@@AlanHamiltonAudio The X32 can drive DM48xx outputs via Ultranet (I am doing that currently). Can't use the inputs though.
How are we supposed to power this thing with its power switch in the back? Seriously who thought that was a good idea
Most people are probably going to leave it turned on and just use the main power to the rack to turn it on and off.
No ultranet? That's a deal breaker for me.
I imagine they might have plans for StageCONNECT to handle a lot of what Ultranet has done in the past. Not sure of that though.
There's also the Klark Teknik DN4816U which is (currently anyway) US$159.00 or so... It does a bunch of Ultranet/StageCONNECT and even USB 'tricks'. I don't know if one of them is an interface to take a StageCONNECT output from the Wing and let it then feed Ultranet to a P16 system or not.
Maybe someone who has already went down this road and knows will comment.
How much does it weigh?
Behringer's page says 9.44 kg and Google says that is about 21lbs. I would've guessed less than that so I'm glad I looked it up instead of telling you what I thought it probably was. 😉
It also says it draws 130W as far as power consumption goes.
@@AlanHamiltonAudio Thank you!