📍The HEADPHONE outputs on the rear are TIED to the XLR outputs for routing. This is shown in the video & no matter what your Sweetwater sales engineer told you, they are not separately assignable! 📍
Lmao so you have the X32 Rack with individually assignable 8 XLR + 6 TRS outs... and the Wing Rack has only 8 assignable outputs. Massive L by Behringer. The headphone outputs are a joke. Give me 8 more XLRs.
@@DcSoundOp wtf? Damn.. that’s a massive L 🤦🏾♂️ I can imagine a lot of situations where bands or acts would use the HP outs just for in-ear monitoring, while sending the XLR outputs to front of house SEPARATELY lol
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I initially thought this was a bad idea, and it would have been better to have them as separate outs, but upon thinking about how I'll use it I came to the conclusion that the Wing Rack is in the rack (duh) and the stage box is on the stage... so I will use the headphone outs to feed wireless IEMs in the rack and assign the main or wedge outs to the stage box. I have a feeling many will do the same, though all of the folks who run a Wing Rack and nothing else will surely find this limitation pretty much makes the physical headphone outs useless.
Both WING RACK and COMPACT run completely silent without needing extra cooling. However, for customers in tropical climates or when you are using less ventilated racks, a matching fan with mounting hardware can be ordered through your dealer. WING RACK is already equipped with a fan power connector on the PCB. COMPACT doesn't offer this option. Hope, this helps! -Goetz
Standard and Channel FX, exciters, (ultra) enhancers, psycho-sub-bass, de-essers, multi-imagers, mastering-bus, tape everything, precision limiters, amazing. (hope it sounds as good-excellent as features displayed)
I can´t find an option to order this fan anywhere, and would like to have a unit with proper cooling. Where to get a Wing-rack that has a fan already installed?
Wow this rack has full Dante support. I'm so impressed. Version 3.0 firmware now supporting full bus to bus sends...Beautiful touch screen on a rack mount...this will be a game changer for the small setup on the go. Great quick review!
@@calebgebhard7863 unlikely Dante doesn't include a speck for remote control so each manufacturer produces there own protocol for pre-amp control. Unless Music Tribe produce Dante stage boxes & pay up for the verry expensive chips/licenses you won't see Dante I/O stage boxes with pre-amp control.
@@calebgebhard7863 I think your still need a Dante Controller software for that but you should be able to patch. As far as I know, the Dante inputs, had fixed gains last time I looked in the Wing input section.
It’s my first time here. I’ve been recording mixing editing music since the mid 90s, but doing it seriously since 2004. I have read many magazines watched many videos over the years, and I’m constantly looking for new stuff and new ways, And I have never heard of this ever!? This is so interesting to me, this is right up my alley! I think this what I have always been looking for all these years! Kind of blown away! Thank you very much for opening my eyes to this!
Honestly I think it’s probably a bit too complicated for a lot of people, even seasoned engineers to get a grip on if it meets them at a club for the first time. The X32 rack is so much simpler, even musicians or people who haven’t had experience with a mixer can figure it out quickly.
@@filip.zivkovic Nah, its not that bad its just the interface needs some refinement. I think Behringer forgot about the early days of x32 when they introduced the X32 series they had a simple mode that was dropped by the 3rd or 4th firmware after everyone got the hang of that workflow. They should consider that for the WING. But its no more complicated than Yamaha, Digico, or Allen & heath. Avid Venue is considered the worst live system to learn by most live engineers I have encountered over the last 20 years. Basically the WING will overtake X32 as the best budget option and the new Waves LV1 Classic will be what you see guy with more money have. So WING in clubs and LV1 on tours.
Hi everyone, I hope you're having a great Monday so far. I've been working on this one for a while, let me know what questions you have in the comments & I'll do my best to get to them in a follow up.
@@DcSoundOp be interested to see if you think this would be possible to split a mic input to a dry and a wet (using onboard FX). I'm in a touring band and we currently run an x32 for iem. We have some songs with sections on the records with vocal FX. It would be great to try and replicate that live.
@@davidanderton2437 Hey, great question. You can assign a single input to every channel on the console if you wanted, so splitting mics into two channels for separate processing is super easy. Each channel also has an Alt input assignment (like digico) so you can have a backup hot patched and ready to go if your primary mic fails. Thanks for the message!
@@DcSoundOp I have literally been planning to upgrade my band's IEM x32 to the Wing Rack the moment I heard they were working on it many months back. I'm going to be pre-ordering one or two by the end of this week.
@@RamboMadCowI mean dont limit yourself, I never refer to them as IEM racks, they are ALL IN 1 Live Stage racks. I mean they manage your ins and outs for foh, your monitoring, your backing tracks, your midi and triggering and a lot of times, recording your live show. Been waiting on this thing for 15years.
good to know that churches now needs $1500 state of the art mixers.....If I recall correctly Jesus was stuck with a used $300 Mackie that he bought on eBay
I work for a church in the sound department. They recently bought a building that had a studio in it. I just shared this video to the lead tech commenting that it would be great in the studio! We are already familiar with the WING mixers in the main part of the church.
It’s always nice to have more fx and process power But for me the biggest scaling point it’s the Dante upgrade And multichannel recorder to as card That thing by itself gave another dimension for live sound
Lovin' it and I haven't even gone 1 minute into the vid yet...I'm glued until it's finished and I'll give my comments. :). Really nice vid, found out it's very affordable and versatile...runs about 1.5K, nice price! Yep, getting one :)
Wow, so cool. I have an XR18 (semi retired on the shelf), an X32 rack and a Midas M32C. I Use my M32C with an S16 for shows (using M32 edit on a MacBook and M32 Mix on the iPad) and use the X32R in the studio ( I control it with X32 Edit an XTouch and extension). I've been been super excited about getting one of these for the studio! Thanks for the video 🙂
Meant to add that I have a couple of Behringer SD8's that I use in the studio for live recording - easier that having a rat's next of XLR cables or analog snakes on the floor. I assume that they will work fine with the wing rack, as well as the S16. Correct me but the original Wing didn't have AE50 on it.
Well done being the first to get a real video up of this beast! Could you maybe go into more detail about the option slot inside of the rack for Dante network? Is this separate from the expansion card that you can buy to replace the sd card recorder?
Thanks, yes I did a video about the Dante cards in the original Wing & they work the same here. You can either buy just the Dante module that goes inside - or the module that is mounted on the option slot card, so if you want to use other cards in the option slot, you don't have to give that up to get Dante installed. Thanks for the question!
@@DcSoundOp I looked for the internal Dante card last week and only found one kinda sketchy retailer online. Everywhere else either didn't list the product or was out of stock.
Interesting choice to not include a fan on this unit. Also curious to see if that’s how units get shipped to buyers. Was there a fan header to add one?
Looking for a wing rack block diagram. I'm considering replacing my x32 rack but I need to know how the busses are arranged before I can pull the trigger. Thx
Oh Mr. DcSoundOp - I totally missed those news. But thanks to RUclips algorithm I came to this vid. Great ... Really fucking great!!! I'm using X32Rack and DL16 for years and was "interested" in "the WING" ... but this rack wing ... game changer. Even if not available - the price tag at local websites seems really promising. So thanks a lot for this video, liked and subscribed! Looking forward for more news!
I have a mr18 which has served me well during the years. Its been to big festivals, small venues and bars and my home studio. Great piece of gear. But I always ran short on i/o. This new rack could solve some of my issues! 24 ins is more than enough and 8 outs with 4 additional headphone outs can serve big full bands. Great video! Would love to see how you set up the rack for an all round full bands show.
But really only 6 aux outs and the L and R. I think this is inadequate for out. The headphone outs are not seperate from the XLR outs. If they were I'd be extatic.
Do external effect loops use up the mix channels or can they spill into the additional I/O without sacrificing regular ins / outs, given the limitations of the mix bus?
I have the Wing and have pre ordered a Wing Rack. I am in the first batch. sold my x32 rack and s16 stage box for about the same price as the rack. So the rack is going to be my new drum rack. crazy power to add to my Wing console. do you know if I can control the head amps from the Wing. not a big deal but I am using is a s a bad ass stage box. thanks for the video.
Great vid! Thanks for the early look. Are the powered headphone outputs connected to the 8 xlr outputs or can they all be configured separately? Thanks!
Is this overkill, for a dedicated Drum mixer? I use to use the Mackie 1604 VLZ PRO, then the Tascam model 24, then the X32. I like the idea to make totally different kits and save them. Recall them in live shows at press of a button. Your thoughts?
For some folks it could certainly be over the top, but for others this would be a perfect sub-mixer for their kit. It really just depends on what you want to do, but the price, size and weight of this would make it a pretty attractive option in my opinion.
I'm trying to decide between a Wing Rack and a used X32 Rack. Should I get one or the other or both? Use case is kinda a bunch of misc. stuff. Studio, Stage, Portable, etc...
The X32 Midi In/Out was not regular MIDIs... That was a real bummer that I didnt know when buying it. Does this MIDI in/out actually work to play with external midi instruments? Because that was impossible with X32 :(
i used it recently. and at first i wondered where the mixer is...silly me...after configuring the app everything went smoothly and intuitiv enough. could also record decent multitracks. the venue was a little open-air festival powered by solar batteries and it worked very well
As far as I know the first units shipped were just delivered in the past couple of days. How did you use one recently? Was it also an engineering sample like the one I have?
Man, just like x32 made a revolution on the console market, rack and compact will do the same. Money value ratio is unbeatable, the aesthetic got improved, this is all I wished for :>
Thank you for this review. I admit, I'm a gear hog. Nothing wrong with that, in my opinion. I'm always on the lookout for how new gear can enhance my live performances. Again, thank you!
Looking at getting this to take my IEM rack to the next level. I also Currently use my X32 rack for Live mixing. Just wanting more power, Plugins, and channels without having to bring a stage box. Although I might get a SD8 just so I have 16 outs.
Could this be used as a 7.1.4 analog in analog out b chain box for an atmos monitor system? would need an additional 4 analog outs and a way to gang all the outputs.
A bit confused on the Dante card slots. Is the slot one you showed inside the cabinet where a Dante Brooklyn card can be installed, instead of replacing the SD card adapter in the external slot?
nice vid! As for the cooling fan concern: Has anyone ever experienced the XR18 fail in the rack, but fine if removed from a rack? Or was it just me? I always guessed the xr18 was overheating inside the rack.
Thank you for the review! Great product! I’m curious about sound quality. Specifically the d/a conversion. X32 always was underwhelming driving studio monitors when comparing to even entry level interfaces. Didn’t mind the input quality, although certainly not the cleanest… wondering if it can replace a dedicated audio interface. Thanks!
I'm ridiculously excited for this product! It looks like the stereo 1/4" outs on the rear are also associated with the XLR outs, though. Meaning, it seems you either have the choice of XLR AUX 1 & 2, OR the 1/4" 1/2 stereo out. Is that correct, or are the 1/4" outs their own separate mix from the XLR? God I hope they're separate. Thanks for the walkthrough!!
Yeah, I am understanding that each pair of XLR outs is linked to a stereo headphone out. So 1/2, 3/4, 5/6, 7/8. Same signal will go to both, probably all the time (hardware limitation, I saw someone post on another vid). My understanding is you can connect and will get signal from both XLR and 1/4” at the same time, but it will always be the same signals. If you see DCSoundOp’s screen when he discusses them, there’s only 8 destinations on that “local out” screen, and it has those headphone icons under each pair. Bummer!
Hey Guys, what about the older Extention card? Would my Madi card inside X32 work with Behringer Wing Rack or do I need to buy the new card that is available now? What about the network, Does it work with my Motu AVB? I really appreciate any help you can provide. thx
Hi, no your MADI card won't work in this and as far as I know there are no plans to make AVB networking a thing with these either. Your options are the built-in AES-50 SuperMac connections, adding a Dante card or waiting to get a Waves SoundGrid card that they have talked about releasing shortly. Hopefully that helps? Thanks for the great questions.
The WING never had Ultranet but all of the StageConnect boxes convert to Ultranet both directions. So not only Ultranet Out but IN as well! this gives you the ability to use a XR/MR 18 as a stage box or even a monitor console. Check out the Klark Teknik DN4816U... the best way to add this feature!
Thanks for this video! My many concern is if the Wing Rack can be controlled with an XTouch when you need a few faders, just like the X32 has done for many years now. That has been my main reason for going with an X32 rack. So hopefully if it doesn't do that at this initial release it will soon.
Sorry, I answered the wrong question before... as it currently sits, the XTouch cannot control the Wing natively. It may be something they make work in the future, but not in the initial release.
@@DcSoundOp Right I mostly use Dante to get additional I/O but sometimes AES50 stage boxes. But this is about using an X Touch as a control surface for the console. There are times where I have had an XTouch, a Laptop with X32 Edit, an iPad and multiple phones running the personal mixer app all connected to a single X32 simultaneously.
Can we use it as a stagebox on stage for Monitor independant mix,EQ& Comp + Use Midas M32R via AES for FOH and have independant channel eq/comp for FOH ?
If I want to upgrade from an audient evo8 for home shenanigans, but leave it in a rolling rack so I can take it to gigs, for a hybrid setup per say, is this overkill?
That's a BIG step-up from the EVO 8, but without knowing how much of the features you'll use, it's hard to say if it's a good fit for you in the future. You'll certainly have a lot of fun with it! Thanks for the message.
@@DcSoundOp it should would be nice if behringer would get with the program and make their own Dante stage boxes at least if they can’t work on control for 3rd party boxes.
Please tell me how the routing sends to the 4 TRS headphone outputs on the rear panel are assigned. Are they tied to the physical XRL outputs or do they have free routing? If the buses on them are assigned separately from the XRL outputs, then what are the TRS outputs called in the routing output panel? Like auxes?
Awesome intro video. My plan is sometime next year to upgrade from the X32 rack and the M3 2C to the wing rack once I pay off some bills. It’s the kind of board I’ve been wanting for the longest time in Iraq mountable chassis. It seems like I get those bands every once in a whilethat I end up having a patch two things and I end up running out of channel space. I will also be incorporating wave super rack performer with it as well.
@@flashanddancedj Thanks for the message, I think you’ll enjoy this one coming from the x32 rack. I had one for a number of years and really like this in its place. Stay in touch and let me know how it goes when you take the jump.
This could be a silly question, but the amplified headphone outputs on the back, does that show up as a separate output destination different from OUT 1-8?
The only thing is, Gear 4 Music don’t have the Wing Rack in stock due to a problem with their distributers…Andertons and Thommon have sent out there second batch but G4M have not sent out one yet as They can’t get them 🤷♂
Are the 4 headphone outputs hardwired to the XLR outputs and mirror their signal? Or is it possible to assign separate signal paths to each of the headphone outputs? Otherwise the console would have fewer outputs than an X32 rack. I would really miss its aux outputs.
i missed that part too. why do people hate mixers? they seem to want to make things into phone type devices. order soon. it will be obsolete in 5 mins.
📍The HEADPHONE outputs on the rear are TIED to the XLR outputs for routing. This is shown in the video & no matter what your Sweetwater sales engineer told you, they are not separately assignable! 📍
such a pitty - so too less outputs for a typical monitoring situation of 4...5 musicians (Stereo Master plus 4-5 Stereo Monitors)
Lmao so you have the X32 Rack with individually assignable 8 XLR + 6 TRS outs... and the Wing Rack has only 8 assignable outputs.
Massive L by Behringer. The headphone outputs are a joke. Give me 8 more XLRs.
@@DcSoundOp wtf? Damn.. that’s a massive L 🤦🏾♂️ I can imagine a lot of situations where bands or acts would use the HP outs just for in-ear monitoring, while sending the XLR outputs to front of house SEPARATELY lol
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I initially thought this was a bad idea, and it would have been better to have them as separate outs, but upon thinking about how I'll use it I came to the conclusion that the Wing Rack is in the rack (duh) and the stage box is on the stage... so I will use the headphone outs to feed wireless IEMs in the rack and assign the main or wedge outs to the stage box. I have a feeling many will do the same, though all of the folks who run a Wing Rack and nothing else will surely find this limitation pretty much makes the physical headphone outs useless.
Both WING RACK and COMPACT run completely silent without needing extra cooling. However, for customers in tropical climates or when you are using less ventilated racks, a matching fan with mounting hardware can be ordered through your dealer. WING RACK is already equipped with a fan power connector on the PCB. COMPACT doesn't offer this option. Hope, this helps! -Goetz
Thanks for clarifying. Seems like a lot of room in the box. Could there be a mod to run this around 12 volts?
Im in texas.. Ill probably need active cooling... That being said. My X32 has never needed it and has always been a champ with the heat.
Standard and Channel FX, exciters, (ultra) enhancers, psycho-sub-bass, de-essers, multi-imagers, mastering-bus, tape everything, precision limiters, amazing. (hope it sounds as good-excellent as features displayed)
I can´t find an option to order this fan anywhere, and would like to have a unit with proper cooling. Where to get a Wing-rack that has a fan already installed?
Wow this rack has full Dante support. I'm so impressed. Version 3.0 firmware now supporting full bus to bus sends...Beautiful touch screen on a rack mount...this will be a game changer for the small setup on the go. Great quick review!
I’ve been wondering if that internal Dante card means preamp control of Dante stage boxes and everything?
@@calebgebhard7863 unlikely Dante doesn't include a speck for remote control so each manufacturer produces there own protocol for pre-amp control. Unless Music Tribe produce Dante stage boxes & pay up for the verry expensive chips/licenses you won't see Dante I/O stage boxes with pre-amp control.
@@calebgebhard7863 I think your still need a Dante Controller software for that but you should be able to patch. As far as I know, the Dante inputs, had fixed gains last time I looked in the Wing input section.
I'm actually surprised by how well thought out this seems.
It’s my first time here. I’ve been recording mixing editing music since the mid 90s, but doing it seriously since 2004. I have read many magazines watched many videos over the years, and I’m constantly looking for new stuff and new ways, And I have never heard of this ever!? This is so interesting to me, this is right up my alley! I think this what I have always been looking for all these years! Kind of blown away! Thank you very much for opening my eyes to this!
Thanks for the message Doug, it's good to meet you here!
This is perfect for 99% of most rural churches and club/bar bands!
Also can be controlled by an iPad
Honestly I think it’s probably a bit too complicated for a lot of people, even seasoned engineers to get a grip on if it meets them at a club for the first time. The X32 rack is so much simpler, even musicians or people who haven’t had experience with a mixer can figure it out quickly.
@@filip.zivkovic Nah, its not that bad its just the interface needs some refinement. I think Behringer forgot about the early days of x32 when they introduced the X32 series they had a simple mode that was dropped by the 3rd or 4th firmware after everyone got the hang of that workflow. They should consider that for the WING. But its no more complicated than Yamaha, Digico, or Allen & heath. Avid Venue is considered the worst live system to learn by most live engineers I have encountered over the last 20 years. Basically the WING will overtake X32 as the best budget option and the new Waves LV1 Classic will be what you see guy with more money have. So WING in clubs and LV1 on tours.
probably perfect for the rest that are running dLive or DM7 / Rivage / eMotion too but yknow
@@filip.zivkovic honestly I think it's probably a little bit too complicated for you.
Hi everyone, I hope you're having a great Monday so far. I've been working on this one for a while, let me know what questions you have in the comments & I'll do my best to get to them in a follow up.
@@DcSoundOp be interested to see if you think this would be possible to split a mic input to a dry and a wet (using onboard FX). I'm in a touring band and we currently run an x32 for iem. We have some songs with sections on the records with vocal FX. It would be great to try and replicate that live.
@@davidanderton2437 Hey, great question. You can assign a single input to every channel on the console if you wanted, so splitting mics into two channels for separate processing is super easy. Each channel also has an Alt input assignment (like digico) so you can have a backup hot patched and ready to go if your primary mic fails. Thanks for the message!
Feed the RUclips algorithm with a comment. Great video. Thank you!
Thanks Robert! I can always count on your support. Hope you're having a good fall so far.
Finally a precise introduction for musicians. All others talking stuff for kids like what is input, output, just tons bla BLA.
Thank you!!!
What a step up! This is going to be a very popular piece of gear.
I think so too, I have a feeling we're going to see a LOT of these in IEM racks very soon.
@@DcSoundOp I have literally been planning to upgrade my band's IEM x32 to the Wing Rack the moment I heard they were working on it many months back. I'm going to be pre-ordering one or two by the end of this week.
@@RamboMadCowI mean dont limit yourself, I never refer to them as IEM racks, they are ALL IN 1 Live Stage racks. I mean they manage your ins and outs for foh, your monitoring, your backing tracks, your midi and triggering and a lot of times, recording your live show. Been waiting on this thing for 15years.
YESSS! This is massive Win!🙌🏽 As a current X32 Rack user for my church, I will be upgrading immediately once it’s on the market!
Me too!
good to know that churches now needs $1500 state of the art mixers.....If I recall correctly Jesus was stuck with a used $300 Mackie that he bought on eBay
@ You should be happy that churches are using this stuff. The mass manufacture of this technology to fill demand has driven prices right down.
I work for a church in the sound department. They recently bought a building that had a studio in it. I just shared this video to the lead tech commenting that it would be great in the studio! We are already familiar with the WING mixers in the main part of the church.
This is a game changer, Allen and heath need to hit back at them by releasing the SQack!
For all the bands using the x32 rack for a self contained monitor console, this is going to be a really nice upgrade.
why do you think it would make sense to upgrade to it vs the x32 option for IEMs?
@@JuliusDeBerryJr for me it would be the Dante expansion. Means you could also use this as multitrack giving every IEM a separate multitrack mix.
@@The_only_Manny they can already do that tho?
06:11 Fun tip. ANY combination of holding down the home button + other buttons is possible to lock and unlock the console.
OMG I’m so excited to have this one ASAP. Thanks for the video
Hope you enjoy it!
Would love to know if there's any differences in terms of latency and quality between stage connect and Dante ?
Very cool! This is a great first look vid. Excited to check this out, I can see a few different uses for our company and my personal mixing needs 👍
its crazy what functionality you can get these days from a couple of tiny circuitboards .. a studio in a chip thing.. amazing
what a mighty bit of kit , in a mini size package , yet nothings too hidden to be handy.
Finally !!! Great Video !! Thanks for sharing !!
Thanks for watching!
It’s always nice to have more fx and process power
But for me the biggest scaling point it’s the Dante upgrade
And multichannel recorder to as card
That thing by itself gave another dimension for live sound
Wow... had the first Behringer Digital DDX3216, It was really good!! They really are doing great.
Wow, we sold a few those at the store I worked at in the late 90's / early 00's when they first came out!!
Still have one!
Unfortunately with some power supply problems, but incredibly it still works fine 😁
Very nice machine for its age
Lovin' it and I haven't even gone 1 minute into the vid yet...I'm glued until it's finished and I'll give my comments. :).
Really nice vid, found out it's very affordable and versatile...runs about 1.5K, nice price! Yep, getting one :)
Wow, so cool. I have an XR18 (semi retired on the shelf), an X32 rack and a Midas M32C. I Use my M32C with an S16 for shows (using M32 edit on a MacBook and M32 Mix on the iPad) and use the X32R in the studio ( I control it with X32 Edit an XTouch and extension). I've been been super excited about getting one of these for the studio! Thanks for the video 🙂
Meant to add that I have a couple of Behringer SD8's that I use in the studio for live recording - easier that having a rat's next of XLR cables or analog snakes on the floor. I assume that they will work fine with the wing rack, as well as the S16. Correct me but the original Wing didn't have AE50 on it.
The original Wing has the same AES50 i/o as this one & the SD8 works great with both of them.
I dont need one of these but I want one for Fischtank Sessions. Currently Using x32 but this looks like an awesome upgrade.
Dreams comes true thanks behringer ❤
"My name is Drew Brashler" is stuck in my memory forever
Ultimate in ear rack for bands
Looks very well thought through 👏🏼
Well done being the first to get a real video up of this beast!
Could you maybe go into more detail about the option slot inside of the rack for Dante network? Is this separate from the expansion card that you can buy to replace the sd card recorder?
Thanks, yes I did a video about the Dante cards in the original Wing & they work the same here. You can either buy just the Dante module that goes inside - or the module that is mounted on the option slot card, so if you want to use other cards in the option slot, you don't have to give that up to get Dante installed. Thanks for the question!
@@DcSoundOp that’s awesome, even more flexible than I realised! Thanks for the quick reply!
@@DcSoundOp I looked for the internal Dante card last week and only found one kinda sketchy retailer online. Everywhere else either didn't list the product or was out of stock.
@@DcSoundOp can you install both the internal card and the option slot card for lots of Dante?
@@johnfolsomjr AFAIK… yes. But take that as a soft yes for now, I haven’t tried it myself snd don’t have the cards anymore to test with.
6:06 Is it possible to show a custom logo at the boot and/or lock screen (like it is with X32)?
1:39 Is the internally installable Dante module the same as on the X-Dante card?
thanks
Interesting choice to not include a fan on this unit. Also curious to see if that’s how units get shipped to buyers. Was there a fan header to add one?
This is SICK!
Looking for a wing rack block diagram. I'm considering replacing my x32 rack but I need to know how the busses are arranged before I can pull the trigger. Thx
I'm not sure I've seen one published yet. If I can find it, I'll give you a shout though.
Oh Mr. DcSoundOp - I totally missed those news. But thanks to RUclips algorithm I came to this vid. Great ... Really fucking great!!! I'm using X32Rack and DL16 for years and was "interested" in "the WING" ... but this rack wing ... game changer. Even if not available - the price tag at local websites seems really promising. So thanks a lot for this video, liked and subscribed! Looking forward for more news!
Is there a way to use both the XLR outputs and the amplified jacks output at the same time, but getting signal from different virtual sources?
It would be amazing to have 8 mono outputs additionaly to the 4 stereo amplified outputs.
I have a mr18 which has served me well during the years. Its been to big festivals, small venues and bars and my home studio. Great piece of gear. But I always ran short on i/o.
This new rack could solve some of my issues! 24 ins is more than enough and 8 outs with 4 additional headphone outs can serve big full bands.
Great video! Would love to see how you set up the rack for an all round full bands show.
But really only 6 aux outs and the L and R. I think this is inadequate for out. The headphone outs are not seperate from the XLR outs. If they were I'd be extatic.
Do external effect loops use up the mix channels or can they spill into the additional I/O without sacrificing regular ins / outs, given the limitations of the mix bus?
Looks like these still are backordered. I do have one + the Dante module on order though. 7-8 weeks seemingly.
Wow! First time here. I've no idea what I'd use this for, but I need one!! Time to set up a new studio I think!
Good luck!
I have the Wing and have pre ordered a Wing Rack. I am in the first batch. sold my x32 rack and s16 stage box for about the same price as the rack. So the rack is going to be my new drum rack. crazy power to add to my Wing console. do you know if I can control the head amps from the Wing. not a big deal but I am using is a s a bad ass stage box. thanks for the video.
Great vid! Thanks for the early look. Are the powered headphone outputs connected to the 8 xlr outputs or can they all be configured separately? Thanks!
I’m going to get me one and use it in my home studio….!
Is this overkill, for a dedicated Drum mixer? I use to use the Mackie 1604 VLZ PRO, then the Tascam model 24, then the X32. I like the idea to make totally different kits and save them. Recall them in live shows at press of a button. Your thoughts?
For some folks it could certainly be over the top, but for others this would be a perfect sub-mixer for their kit. It really just depends on what you want to do, but the price, size and weight of this would make it a pretty attractive option in my opinion.
Will there be a MADI extension card for the Wing?
I'm trying to decide between a Wing Rack and a used X32 Rack. Should I get one or the other or both? Use case is kinda a bunch of misc. stuff. Studio, Stage, Portable, etc...
The X32 Midi In/Out was not regular MIDIs... That was a real bummer that I didnt know when buying it.
Does this MIDI in/out actually work to play with external midi instruments?
Because that was impossible with X32 :(
In Germany we'd say "Eierlegende Wollmilchsau". A thing that does ist all.
Exactly. "Eierlegende Wollmilchsau"
i used it recently. and at first i wondered where the mixer is...silly me...after configuring the app everything went smoothly and intuitiv enough. could also record decent multitracks. the venue was a little open-air festival powered by solar batteries and it worked very well
As far as I know the first units shipped were just delivered in the past couple of days. How did you use one recently? Was it also an engineering sample like the one I have?
@@DcSoundOp good question ^^ well it looked quite similar and was by behringer. edit: it was the x32. i´m sorry for the confusion.
Does the Wing Rack come with Dante card? Or do I need to purchase separately
Hi! Wing play mp3 from USB?
Do you know output impedance of headphones outputs ?
Man, just like x32 made a revolution on the console market, rack and compact will do the same. Money value ratio is unbeatable, the aesthetic got improved, this is all I wished for :>
I tend to agree, these new versions should be very popular.
Thank you for this review. I admit, I'm a gear hog. Nothing wrong with that, in my opinion. I'm always on the lookout for how new gear can enhance my live performances. Again, thank you!
Thanks for watching!
Looking at getting this to take my IEM rack to the next level. I also Currently use my X32 rack for Live mixing. Just wanting more power, Plugins, and channels without having to bring a stage box. Although I might get a SD8 just so I have 16 outs.
How to use Waves Soundgrid with AOIP input ?
Could this be used as a 7.1.4 analog in analog out b chain box for an atmos monitor system? would need an additional 4 analog outs and a way to gang all the outputs.
A bit confused on the Dante card slots. Is the slot one you showed inside the cabinet where a Dante Brooklyn card can be installed, instead of replacing the SD card adapter in the external slot?
Can the wing be integrated into DaVinci Resolve Fairlight for mixing?
nice vid! As for the cooling fan concern: Has anyone ever experienced the XR18 fail in the rack, but fine if removed from a rack? Or was it just me? I always guessed the xr18 was overheating inside the rack.
Is there assignable buttons on console or toucscreen for tap tempo, mutegroups etc?
Is there any update on an availability date yet?
The second I saw drews face I was like he knows 😂
What is the sample / bit rate? Also, does the USB connection allow other sample rates?
Thank you for the review! Great product! I’m curious about sound quality. Specifically the d/a conversion. X32 always was underwhelming driving studio monitors when comparing to even entry level interfaces. Didn’t mind the input quality, although certainly not the cleanest… wondering if it can replace a dedicated audio interface. Thanks!
This is the big question for me.
This is magnificient engineering
I currently have a full sized Wing for my home studio and I’m thinking this would be an incredible “downgrade” to save space and add I/O!
Nice little preview of the mixer. I'd like to know if there's a way to control the individual gains of those headphone amps?
Are the headphone outputs on the rear fully assignable or do they mirror the XLR outputs?
could this mean there's an upgraded version of the behringer xr18 on the way?
I don't know, but if I did, I couldn't say so in the comments here anyway 😂
Can this fully work with Apple Final Cut pro and Logic Pro. Please give me some hints.
What resolution is it 24/48?
How I connect the Behringer xair18 to it so I can use those 18 inputs?
Don't think that's possible, xr18 doesn't have expansion capabilities
I want one, to upgrade over the X32 rack but its for a simrig and the experimentations I do with multi-channel tactile immersion.
can you tell me where is the main speaker output
While you can patch them to anywhere really, they show up by default on Local Outs 7&8. Thanks for the question!
Thank you Lord!
I'm ridiculously excited for this product!
It looks like the stereo 1/4" outs on the rear are also associated with the XLR outs, though. Meaning, it seems you either have the choice of XLR AUX 1 & 2, OR the 1/4" 1/2 stereo out. Is that correct, or are the 1/4" outs their own separate mix from the XLR? God I hope they're separate.
Thanks for the walkthrough!!
Yeah, I am understanding that each pair of XLR outs is linked to a stereo headphone out. So 1/2, 3/4, 5/6, 7/8. Same signal will go to both, probably all the time (hardware limitation, I saw someone post on another vid). My understanding is you can connect and will get signal from both XLR and 1/4” at the same time, but it will always be the same signals. If you see DCSoundOp’s screen when he discusses them, there’s only 8 destinations on that “local out” screen, and it has those headphone icons under each pair. Bummer!
X32s about to be $400 on ebay all day. What took them so long?
The "A" "B" and "C" labels on the AES50 ports being completely obscured by the latch release tab is just so goofy
Lovely product. Now I'm waiting for a Wing DAW controller ala X-Touch, but with the Wing mixer design! 😉
Can it run 96Khz?
Can I use midi in to call snapshots?
no, and yes.
Hey Guys, what about the older Extention card? Would my Madi card inside X32 work with Behringer Wing Rack or do I need to buy the new card that is available now? What about the network, Does it work with my Motu AVB? I really appreciate any help you can provide. thx
Hi, no your MADI card won't work in this and as far as I know there are no plans to make AVB networking a thing with these either. Your options are the built-in AES-50 SuperMac connections, adding a Dante card or waiting to get a Waves SoundGrid card that they have talked about releasing shortly. Hopefully that helps? Thanks for the great questions.
So what happen to the ultranet port for the p16s on the back ?
The WING never had Ultranet but all of the StageConnect boxes convert to Ultranet both directions. So not only Ultranet Out but IN as well! this gives you the ability to use a XR/MR 18 as a stage box or even a monitor console. Check out the Klark Teknik DN4816U... the best way to add this feature!
The Wing never had an ultra-net port 😉
You can do ultra net through a stage box or through stage connect with an adapter.
Thanks for this video! My many concern is if the Wing Rack can be controlled with an XTouch when you need a few faders, just like the X32 has done for many years now. That has been my main reason for going with an X32 rack. So hopefully if it doesn't do that at this initial release it will soon.
Sorry, I answered the wrong question before... as it currently sits, the XTouch cannot control the Wing natively. It may be something they make work in the future, but not in the initial release.
@@DcSoundOp Right I mostly use Dante to get additional I/O but sometimes AES50 stage boxes. But this is about using an X Touch as a control surface for the console. There are times where I have had an XTouch, a Laptop with X32 Edit, an iPad and multiple phones running the personal mixer app all connected to a single X32 simultaneously.
Sorry, I replied to the wrong question before. I edited my original response.
¿Can I use headphones outputs for wedges monitors?
Can we use it as a stagebox on stage for Monitor independant mix,EQ& Comp + Use Midas M32R via AES for FOH and have independant channel eq/comp for FOH ?
If I want to upgrade from an audient evo8 for home shenanigans, but leave it in a rolling rack so I can take it to gigs, for a hybrid setup per say, is this overkill?
That's a BIG step-up from the EVO 8, but without knowing how much of the features you'll use, it's hard to say if it's a good fit for you in the future. You'll certainly have a lot of fun with it! Thanks for the message.
They need to call this the Behringer 'Ping' since it looks like a microwave, having said that i do want one! :)
I’ve been wondering if that internal Dante card means preamp control of Dante stage boxes and everything?
@@calebgebhard7863 No, it does not allow for that, it just allows you to patch the dante i/O.
@@DcSoundOp it should would be nice if behringer would get with the program and make their own Dante stage boxes at least if they can’t work on control for 3rd party boxes.
Please tell me how the routing sends to the 4 TRS headphone outputs on the rear panel are assigned. Are they tied to the physical XRL outputs or do they have free routing? If the buses on them are assigned separately from the XRL outputs, then what are the TRS outputs called in the routing output panel? Like auxes?
@@Trident67 It is shown on the routing page in the video, they are tied to the XLR outputs.
@@DcSoundOp thanks. It's a really bad news... ;(
Awesome intro video. My plan is sometime next year to upgrade from the X32 rack and the M3 2C to the wing rack once I pay off some bills. It’s the kind of board I’ve been wanting for the longest time in Iraq mountable chassis. It seems like I get those bands every once in a whilethat I end up having a patch two things and I end up running out of channel space. I will also be incorporating wave super rack performer with it as well.
@@flashanddancedj Thanks for the message, I think you’ll enjoy this one coming from the x32 rack. I had one for a number of years and really like this in its place. Stay in touch and let me know how it goes when you take the jump.
Can you use the P-16 personal mixer on this via ethernet, and is there a new version of the P-16?
This could be a silly question, but the amplified headphone outputs on the back, does that show up as a separate output destination different from OUT 1-8?
They appear as the same output destination. Thanks for the question.
The only thing is, Gear 4 Music don’t have the Wing Rack in stock due to a problem with their distributers…Andertons and Thommon have sent out there second batch but G4M have not sent out one yet as They can’t get them 🤷♂
Are the 4 headphone outputs hardwired to the XLR outputs and mirror their signal? Or is it possible to assign separate signal paths to each of the headphone outputs? Otherwise the console would have fewer outputs than an X32 rack. I would really miss its aux outputs.
They are tied together.
Oh no! Sad news! And how do you control phones volume?
@@misterkorgel Using whatever send you assign to that output.
Interesting - The Flow 8 is like 50% off ?????? what is cooking????
Is this a mixer or interface? What is the cost?
It is both! And it’s best to check with whichever retailer you would get it from where you are for the current price. Thanks for watching!
i missed that part too. why do people hate mixers? they seem to want to make things into phone type devices. order soon. it will be obsolete in 5 mins.
@@DcSoundOp Yes it’s definitely a great unit. I wish they sold it 50% off like they are doing now on the older gear. 😀