It's alive! The Wing Rack has a lot of features making it a very viable option for a touring IEM monitor rig. Lot of local I/O out of the box, but easily and affordable expansion options as well. So it can grow with the band or be scaled to fit a larger band if you need more than 24 channels and 8 outputs. StageCONNECT and AES50 supported for expansion. And a lot of power and useful features that weren't in the X32 Rack. Or even as a FOH/Mon rig for bands mixing themselves or a FOH tech working from a pad. Long video with a lot of ground to cover so leave any comments or questions below.
I've used MIXING STATION for Years!!..., and I've used a few Custom Layouts for My particular needs.. *This* particular STOCK Layout Screams MS..!!! Way to GO for Behringer and MT for listening to what the 'people' want and Delivering!!!
@AlanHamiltonAudio you've helped me tremendously with my XR18 & X32 & getting Reaper going, which is still working flawlessly by the way, thank you, but im just a small time gig here & there at local bars & clubs, im not ready to step up to a wing board yet, but i do enjoy watching & learning from your videos 😉
The X32 and X32 Rack have been used as IEM mixer for over a decade, so the Wing Rack should be even better! It's nice that it has an integrated touch display instead of having to rely on iPads and phones like you need to with the X32 Rack (if you don't want to use the buttons and encoders, that is).
X32R for IEM mixing here. Using all 12 buses - so with the Wing with 8 outs, looks like the four headphone jacks work as headphone jack HJ1 = Out1-2... Too bad they didn't treat them as Aux out 1-8. I think we would need to add stage connects to get more outs. Wing might be in our future (though I so much would love an Avantis or dLive).
AFAIK, the 4 rear headphone outs are simply a bonus feature hardwired in pairs to the existing 8 local XLR outs. A lot of people see them as Behringer's idea for a replacement for the X32's (and X32 Rack's) aux I/O and would've preferred the Aux I/O. But I get the feeling Behringer thought the 8 extra local preamps were a replacement for the Aux I/O on the X32 Rack. Thinking the extra inputs were more important than extra local outputs. Especially, when you figure the price point and bands that would use it out of the box and be fine with 24/8. I'm just guessing here though... But a lot of people (if you read the comments here and on FB) seemed to have been using Aux outs to feed mons (IEMs) on the X32 Rack. Which leaves the Wing Rack behind in local outputs when you compare the 2. I've been a little surprised by people having a 16 preamp console (X32 Rack) needing more than 8 local outputs. But obviously they exist, and they figured out how to use the Aux Outs on the X32 Rack to make it work. I just think in the bigger picture and as time goes on, with everything the Wing Rack offers, and the price point, that it will fill a need for bands at one level, while being upgradeable through StageCONNECT and/or AES50 boxes from Midas and Behringer to fit a whole host of situations. From local bands playing a couple of nights a month to touring acts of a certain scale. The Wing Rack internally is far more capable of handling multiple STEREO IEM mixes than the X32 rack or X/M32 platform in general. And with more horsepower/features.
@@AlanHamiltonAudio should be an easy add for a stageconnect out for extra outs. Stereo IEMs are much nicer and if choice is there, a five piece band would need ten outs. Thanks for the video, pretty complete. My church is about near 10 years on X32 and may be time to get new. I just did the A&H dLive class with Mike Bangs and would enjoy that but seems a bit pricey for us, though I think we could afford it or an Avantis if we tried. Wing is the next best option.
Someone needs to release a rack console slightly more suited for local bands as these IEM rigs get more and more common. There's always a few things that cause inconvenience in regards to where the inputs and outputs are located. If they made something with 24 inputs on the front for plenty of hookups, and then on the back have two 1/4" to connect bluetooth/laptop/etc, and 12-16 aux outs so that at least 5 band members can have stereo IEM mixes and then have two outputs for the mains and an optional extra out to run subs on aux. Then put at least the capabilities of the X32 in there so people can have some capabilities to do some bus routing and all that. That'd be the perfect compact console for the millions of local musicians like myself. My main gripe is if the outputs are on the front of the console OR that the inputs are on the back of the console. Let us musicians plug in the front and leave all the outputs and random stuff in the back to be setup IN the rack itself where it should be!
Why did they lock the xlr outputs and the headphones together? I often run both IEMs and FOH from the same mixer, and this limitation will force me to buy an auxilary stagebox to run Main LR, Sub and Fills in my typical scenario. Sometimes Behringer cuts corners somewhere where it dosn't make sense to me and I don't think provides any marginal benefit to them. Are 4 extra DA converters that expensive to have the headphone outputs independent from the XLR outputs?
Thanks for the super helpful video! I’m looking to get a 16 channel splitter and am deciding between seismic audio and proreck, or maybe even another company. Have you had any issues with the proreck at all? It’s cheaper than seemingly everything else so I want to make sure it’s decent quality.
I liked the ProReck well enough that I ended up buying a second one.... 32 channel split. I put it in a rack by itself to give me another option for splitting the X32/M32/ and a DL32 in monitor land to whatever the chosen monitor console is. Yes, we could just go console to console via AES50, but then there's gain sharing to deal with. We have a 48 channel splitter and snake. That typically is given to the headliner, unless they don't need our snake. The 32ch Proreck gives me the option to just use Ethercon Cat5e to the stage from the M32 (or M32R) and then hit the Midas DL 32. Then we can use the Proreck to split between the DL32 and the monitor console (which can technically be ANY console since it's an analog split. The advantage here is we only need to run the Cat cable... We can let the headliner have the 48ch snake (or not use all that copper at all if they don't need it)... no gain sharing... the Proreck rack is smaller than the 48ch splitter head so it makes for a smaller footprint (and this then lends itself to other gigs where headliner or not, we can just run the Ethercon Cat between FOH and the DL32 at Mon world, and then the Proreck splits the stage to the two consoles, and we get a smaller footprint (and no multipins to connect like on the bigger splitter). I don't know I'd want one riding around in a cable case and getting pulled and yanked on... But for being racked it seems well made and the rack will protect the cable ends (just coil them and put them in the rack when finished). If they were allowed to be loose I might worry about someone pulling hard enough to break a connection on an end that might be caught amongst a trunk full of cables. But honestly, that is true of any cables, even with pig bags on the fanouts. I just fixed a channel of the Horizon fanout at the last gig that had been pulled apart internally on one of the Switchcraft XLR ends. It's not rocket science to make a splitter and so far I don't have a reason to complain about the Proreck. But neither the 24 ch or 32 ch I have has gotten much use yet.
@@AlanHamiltonAudio Great, I think I'll be going with Proreck in that case. Thanks so much! I just got the Wing Rack and am setting up a simple splitter system and at the moment only using the Wing for IEMs for my band and sending all the split channels to the house and letting them mix everything without any processing from the Wing. This video was great and it's good to know I can expand the outputs with the stage connect boxes if I need to.
@@robdurkin2241 I hate to say it... but transformers are overrated. A passive split will be fine in 99.9% of the situations you'll ever face when just splitting two consoles.
Question for anyone here who's a FoH engineer that's worked with bands that bring a rack like this: Do you expect the musicians to bring a snake to plug into the house's stage box? Or do you guys keep plenty of XLR cables on hand and don't require the snake that Alan showed here with the 30ft snake from the Proreck splitter? I ask because I have a band rack that's essentially fully pre setup and enclosed that supports 2 wireless guitar systems per guitar player, 2 fractal Axe FX 3's, 4 Shure IEM systems, and currently hooked up to an x32. However, before all of these are sent to the x32, I send them to an Art S8-3Way splitter and I give a physical tap point on the front of the rack for FoH, and then send all feeds to my x32. The system was designed for FoH to connect directly to these splitters after removing their prefered mics, and the plan was to give FoH pictures, diagrams, and a full rider explaining the setup prior to a show. I just purchased the Wing Rack as I'm planning to upgrade to it from the x32, and if my current solution is going to be frowned upon by FoH, I'd rather get it fixed once my Wing comes in and I have to gut the rack, rather than find out the hard way and have a FoH engineer yell at me before a gig.
I kind of got lost in what you're saying your plan is. So I don't want to answer that wrong. But for the first part, I can safely say the majority of the time that a band is carrying an ear rack they are providing the tails that go to FOH. It could be a splitter snake similar to what is in the video or it could be 4 or 8 channel rackmount splitter boxes. In that case, they have a fan to fan snake (or a couple) that they attach to the splitter out to connect to FOH (and ideally for the band have the rack built so that the fan tails stay connected. Most bands with an ear rack also provide their own mics and cables too. That keeps their mixes very consistent on their ear mixer. But in case of mics/cables... there are definitely bands that expect the mics and cables (and stands and DI's) to be provided. I'd say that is maybe 1/4 of the time. Then there's the digital split stuff... Honestly, I'm not sure I've ever had a band with an ear rack mixer that didn't have their own tails. And as a provider, I definitely wouldn't want to be messing with mic individual mic cables to go from a raw splitter with no tails. If it was advanced that it would be happening, I'd probably try and bring some fan to fan snakes to dedicate to doing this. I wouldn't want to be surprised by it at load in and just have mic cables available for it. But really, it would be a PITA because of all the cross referencing and individual runs. And lack of markings on the cables (making a mis-patch or troubleshooting really troublesome). Ideally, the band will have tails, and the tails for FOH will be marked by source. That is then dead simple since the tech can connect the tails into the house patch without cross-reference what number is what... Kick goes into kick... snare into snare... And it doesn't matter if the band is using some non-standard patch because it's invisible to the house IF the band has and patches their own mics on their side of the equation.
I talked about that in the Overview video- ruclips.net/video/Bw3oLOhplfA/видео.html I'm not sure 90% of the people using an X32 Rack were actually maxing it out like that. But certainly, they could if they wanted or knew how. If the goal is to make a micro-ear rack, then certainly the Wing Rack is probably going the wrong direction, but I don't know that is what was on their minds. Things like the X32 Rack and XR18 still exist in the product lineup and can certainly still cover that base. So a micro flight-ready rack or to fit in the trunk or backseat of the car, is probably not the market it's aimed at. I see it more as for the band doing a van tour/trailer tour or gigs, festival openers, etc... Where the floorspace of the rack is all that matters. Height won't be an issue. Something where they can package their Wing Rack, expansion that they need (be it input or output) and their splitter. Then either the ears live in the rack too... or in a sep rack. The 24 pre's are definitely an upgrade on the "I" part of the I/O comparison. But nothing really makes up for the aux outs that are on the X32. So not only is the Wing Rack 1sp bigger than the X32 Rack, but it will require at least more space to expand the outputs. But when you do use that 1sp of expansion, now you're beyond the I/O of the X32 Rack. And there are several other ways to do expansion. Out of the box though, the X32 Rack has extra outputs. That's a plus if that is what a band needs and all they need. But then the other side of the coin becomes a factor- Bigger screen is a main factor why the Wing Rack is the size it is. And it's a touchscreen. All the extra power and options of the Wing and with a large touchscreen adding the ability to adjust things easily and quickly without even worrying about a tablet or computer being around. And the 24 mic inputs will fit a lot more bands than the 16 mic inputs on the X32 Rack. Even with the Aux inputs factored into the equation. I even wonder if Behringer was even considering making the Wing Rack a direct 1 to 1 competitor with the X32 Rack? IOW... if the X32 Rack does what a person needs then that's what they need to look at or keep using. If they want more under the hood, and more of a powerful expansion/building block, then the Wing Rack is probably more suitable. Not just a mixer to swap out the X32 Rack in a rack for.
For the Sennheiser IEMs I'm using the RF Venue Combine 8 Antenna Combiner. For the Shure RF Mics I have the Shure RF Ant distribution system. I don't have the Phenyx Pro distribution system, though I don't doubt it's solid for RF mics. The tech isn't rocket science ;) ...and from looking at the online info it seems to check all the boxes. Keep in mind, so far anyway, they only have the mic version. They don't have an antenna combiner for IEMs. Those two things aren't interchangeable. One is for receivers and the other for transmitters. I have a partially completed video on this topic. Just need to find some time to finish it properly.
For an IEM rig I think I'd rather pack 8 more outputs than the 8 inputs. This is definitely one major advantage of the X32 Rack with the 6 routable aux ports
The wing can easily do 16 stereo mixes via channel sends/buses, while the X32 platform is limited to 8 stereo mixes. And while both have to sacrifice FX buses to do that, the Wing's ability to do up to 16 stereo mixes is more than many bands will need. ...leaving buses available easily enough for FX. And the cost to expand 16 more outputs via StageCONNECT is less than US$400.00 currently. Making a solid package and it's pretty affordable and competitive with any other rack mixers for the feature set and having the 8 local outs and 16 more via StageCONNECT. At least that is one option. I'm a little surprised they opted not to have a few TRS aux buses (outputs and inputs for that matter), but I don't think it's a dealbreaker in most situations. Especially for the market that I expect these to be used in and how they'll be used. And a lot of this discussion is about stereo mixes yet a lot of bands are only doing mono anyway. Stereo gets expensive fast when you have to one transmitter for every mix, and then after 2 or 3 transmitters you start needing to go to an antenna combiner system (adding more expense). OTOH, those that are spending the money on these things for multiple stereo mixes are probably not going to scoff at approx 379.00 additional to add 16 more outputs. Or even one of the AES50 solutions for more pres and outs.
@@AlanHamiltonAudio Please tell me, did I understand correctly that if I have 9 musicians in my group, then each of them can receive a stereo signal in their IEM's and control their mix via their phone? I mean, if we have additional equipment, like SD8 or 4816-O
@@dentalstories There are 16 stereo buses that are channel sends. So, yes, as long as you add a box or boxes to add more physical outputs you can do 9 stereo mixes easily. The Wing Rack out of the box has 8 outs so that is 4 stereo, so you need 10 more outputs for the additional 5 stereo outs. So the DN4816-O itself easily gets you there fairly economically. That said, if you also need more inputs too, then one of the other options like a Midas DL32 or the Behringer S32 connected via AES50 might make more sense. One of those adds 32 additional inputs and 16 additional outputs. Or could be overkill depending on the total I/O count you need. But there are multiple options now as far as I/O expansion goes. But definitely, the Wing Rack can handle 9 stereo mixes as long as the physical outputs are added into the equation, and Mixing Station software can let all musicians have control via their phones or a tablet (or laptop even). Wing-Edit itself will only run on a PC or Mac, but there's other software like Mixing Station that will work on Android and iOS devices.
Just 2 months after buying the x32 rack and this coming out - makes me wonder if investing in the old x32 was a smart or bad investment. This however, it seems as though this is more aimed for larger bands needing more as opposed to smaller/mid sized (local) bands with IEM mixes. Future proofing sounds like a good idea but… would just anyone upgrade/invest?
Why dont use the 4 stereo mains to output onto the 4 stereo outputs. the main busses have more capabilities to get stuff routed to them like matrices etc.
If you already have a Wing, and you add a Wing Rack for monitors, then you could connect via AES50 and use the Wing Rack as your inputs. You'd have 24 inputs. You'd use gain sharing. AES50 would be (essentially) acting as the splitter. One the gain is set, you'd make fine tuning adjustments using the Trim control. As far as outputs, you'd have the ability to use the 8 outs on the Wing Rack plus you could bring 8 more from the front of house Wing. If you already have some AES50 boxes like a DL32, S32, an SD8, etc.... then you'd land those at the stage and likely want to connect those to the Wing Rack rather than back to the Wing. Then you'd just connect the Wing to the Wing Rack. And then you could use all of the outputs in them, if needed, plus the outs in the Wing Rack... and the local outs on the FOH could also be used (the old fashioned way of sending 8 analog lines from FOH to the stage). But, assuming you have plenty outs for everything you need at the stage with the Wing Rack and any AES50 boxes, or StageCONNECT, then you could not even use the local outs on the Wing at FOH and just send your FOH outs via AES50 to come from an AES50 box at the stage (for example). Local outs could still be used, but for something needing an output that is living at FOH like a record feed for example.
The mixing capability is there, but not the physical outputs. So the rack alone can't do 8 stereo mixes. It has 8 mono outputs which is the max using local outs. It takes two mono outs (on any console) to make stereo, so 4 stereo outs is the max for the Wing Rack without adding additional outputs.
There are 4 headphone outputs in the back. Can those be patched separately? For example: 8 xlr outs for 4 stereo iem’s (bus 1-4). And then headphone outputs for 4 more iem’s (bus 5-8).
@@robertlofgren6834are you sure about that? Seems a massive oversight if so!! So they have to be matched to the xlr output routing? I wonder if this will change in future with a firmware update?
I don't think they can do anything but be linked as headphone amps for the local outs. More of an added bonus than an entirely new fully customizable feature. So, for a band that parks the rack near the drummer and/or keyboard player (musicians that don't move around) , then I suppose hardwired ears straight to the rack (or via an extension cable to the Wing Rack) would be fine. But most musicians if not the entire band are going to be RF so the hardwired outs probably not used much. BUT... in a rehearsal space? Especially if it's a 'quiet rehearsal' space, it would be a quick and easy way to get the band all on earbuds or headphones. OR... Recording scenario... 4 headphone mixes and connections right on the unit itself could save spending money on a separate headphone amp. Or expand the possibilities for a studio setup if someone was to have an existing headphone amp setup. Or add one.
I'd have preferred either that they were routable to different busses than the xlr outs or that they'd just left the TRS aux in/ outs on it so they could be used for that purpose instead. That way you could link to wireless monitoring (which is what I planned to do from the headphone outs as well as hard lines to the rest of the band from XLR outs). What a shame that's a bit gutting, I might cancel my preorder and just stick with my x32 :(
Do you see a way the wing rack could be useful in a studio? With several outboard compressors and preamps? Also 4 synths and a few other pieces of gear. I’m onlooking for a way to enhance or spice up my work flow. Building studio now. I feel,like there is something there, with the wing rack, that could be the shortcut I’ve been looking for. Not familiar with that many systems, been out of the game for a while. Pardon me.
I do think it has some possibilities for a studio piece. And being so portable and such a small package, especially could be useful for someone that wants a bit of both a live rack mount console AND does home recording. And that's a way to make use of those rear headphone outputs too... feeing independent headphone mixes to 4 musicians. And all without adding anything except the headphones and maybe an extension cable. No separate multi channel headphone amp necessary.
I hit an indoor venue this weekend (Pyromania tribute) and FOH was using A&H DLive which is big money. He suggested the Avantis. The Waves eMotion LV1 classic just came out and there has been a lot of hype about the Behringer Wing rack coming out. Are all three of these better options than the Wing/X32 that you have done videos with? Equipment only goes from stage to storage.
eMotion LV1 will sound way better than any of the options you listed, and it'll be more flexible and have way more tools (plugins) that can make mixing easier and more fun. A stagebox you'll probably need if you buy the LV Classic would set you back another 3-5k USD, which is more than Midas DL boxes or Allen-Heath boxes cost. Wing will be the cheapest and will sound on par with Avantis. Avantis is a bit more flexible and integrates with other ecosystems better. For example the Wing only has a Dante card you can add, while Avantic has a Waves card you can use to add plugins to your console or integration with an LV1 system. Wing is awesome if you are very limited on budget, but need great sound, flexibility and eas of use. I wouldn't invest in M/X32 ecosystem at this point, it is too outdated and limited. DLive is still widely used and is a great console, but it is also getting outdated. Avantis sounds worse, but is more modern and flexible, and cheaper.
@@igorzavalnyi5341 thank you for the reply. With the costs of lighting, microphones, wireless, etc I can't go cheap. I also don't want to invest in something that is becoming outdated such as the SQ series from Allen & Heath. Will bite the bullet and go eMotion thank you.
I've not used the LV1 so can't speak to that. Lots of people know and have showfiles for the M32/X32. So, on one hand they've been around a while. OTOH, they're still being made and used and LOTS of people know their way around them. The Wing stuff does not show up in riders (that I've seen yet)... while the M32 and X32 DO make appearances there for some bands, depending on their level. M32 moreso than the X32, even though functionally they're the same. Lots of acts at varying levels have some form of the X/M32 incorporated into their travel rig. Another reason, everyone knows it. And all the clubs that have it installed. Any band on a club tour, or who has ever been on one, likely has at least a passing knowledge of it from that. I expect, now that MG has expanded the Wing line and has more of a push behind the Wing line with more things to be pushing, that it could become more familiar. I see the Wing Rack making its way to IEM racks as a replacement for the X32 Rack. Avantis is probably OK to consider. I like AH stuff as a rule but I'd probably not buy it unless it was a personal use scenario. SQ doesn't really float my boat as anything I'd consider buying, short of a deal and some kind of need it fills. I'd rather just mix on an M32. One of the bands this weekend was using a baby D-Live at FOH but AH is not typically a rider console. The quality is there, it's the familiarity where it loses steam as the lower tier of rider consoles.
AES50 works the same as it always has, so if you want the main mix from the Wing Rack to go thru your X32 and use the X32 for the main outputs to feed the PA, then that definitely works. If you mean having your mix pop up on the X32 faders and be able to 'mix' the Wing Rack from the X32, then no... you can't do that.
The default would normally be outputs 7-8 for left and right. But if you add a StageCONNECT box like I did in the video, then you'd likely make the house connects the last of the SC outputs. Either the last 4 for L-R-S-F or last 2 for L-R.
I cannot imagine it would work... I've not tried though. But the two platforms are very different. If you've mixed on and worked on the X-Air platform (on X-Air Edit for example) and then got behind an X32 (or vice versa), it's basically the same. So it makes sense that those scenes could transfer where there's commonality. But, pretty much there is no (obvious) commonality between the Wing and the X32 platform. Everything is re-thought out and modernized. So my GUESS is that nothing would transfer. It feels/looks like a new OS.
Hi…..When in routing, why are my inputs under Source Group Local In, all grayed out after LCL8? I was able to assign the channel and route to the source but they read n/a instead of the icon…..?
Are you offline or connected to the Wing Rack? Also, latest version of the software? If you are offline it might be defaulting to the full size Wing local IO which would just have 8 local inputs. When connected to the Rack then the NAs would be available...
Thank you for the response. The software was downloaded loaded yesterday, and I am offline. I guess that must be it. I’m trying to configure my setup as my unit is still on order.
Since mine was an early production model, I was "Winging" it... as well as studying the regular Wing for operation examples. Behringer now has a Wing page up for the full lineup, so there's a lot of info there including download-ables like the Quick Start guide: mediadl.musictribe.com/media/PLM/data/docs/0604-AAE/QSG_BE_0604-AAE_WING%20RACK_WW.pdf
@@AlanHamiltonAudio perfect thanks. I noticed this quick start guide but was wondering if there is a more in-depth “full” manual or if the quick start is the main manual for this mixer
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You can, but you have to use up inputs and outs to do it (for send/returns effects or processing you want to insert on a channel or bus). Same as most any other digital console in this regard. There are no special allowances for inserts outside of creating your own thru the normal I/O on the unit. And that means taking then away from other console outputs or channel inputs. No reason you can't use your Whirlwind snake just as it is. Any processing that you run in-line, you can run it like always... For example, main L-R out of the console to a stereo compressor (and/or EQ), and out of this and onto the PA amps/speakers.
The headphone outs are tied to headphone amps and are themselves tied to XLR outs 1-2 / 3-4 / 5-6 / 7-8. 4 stereo pairs. They aren't additional, independent outputs. So for my needs, I need wireless IEMS. So the headphone outs don't really gain me anything. But for a band that has wired ears, or some wired ears, they could (with enough cable) use those outputs and not even need a beltpack. Or would easily work with a Behringer PM1 (small beltback with volume control but no headphone amp). That way the musician could have an overall level control without needing his/her own tablet (assuming they weren't already controlling their own mix... which in that case they could just go straight to the Wing Rack and turn down the master monitor at the Rack. Now that said, in my final configuration I put 6 Sennheiser IEM transmitters and an RF Venue Combiner in their own rack with a fan-out snake to connect back to the mixer (so I can use these with different mixers). So, it would be easy enough from the Wing Rack to give someone a hardwired feed (like a drummer) who doesn't need RF. But I also have the Behringer P1 beltpacks (which I showed one of these in the video). So it makes the headphone outputs redundant (for me). But a band that plants the Wing Rack right by the drums or keyboards, they definitely could use one of those stereo outs just about as easy anything else.
@@AlanHamiltonAudio It’s so nice to hear from someone who actually knows what they’re talking about. I’ve been calling all over the place and no one will give me a straight answer! So of course I have more questions: Does this mean that, out of the box, you can’t use the 5 headphone outs AND the 8 XLR Outs at the same time? I was planning on using the 4headphone outs to wireless IEMs, plug the drummer into the headphone out on the front, the use the Midas DN4816-O plus the 8 Outs on the Wing Rack to get 24 Line Outs to the FOH.
@@BeatsAndMeats Yes... you have it correct. The 4 rear headphone outputs are just duplicates (in stereo pairs) of the 8 XLR outs. Not 4 additional outputs. As for the 5th HP out on the front... I have just used it for soloing and listening to L-R mix... I haven't checked to see what routing options it has beyond those. Although you can DL Wing-Edit software from Behringer and play around with the routing in offline mode to see the various options there might be.
@@AlanHamiltonAudiothis is really disappointing news after the unit being advertised as those being additional outs. If those were independent outs, bands could use those for stereo iems and then the xlr outs could be utilized to run front of house.
That is so stupid to have the Headphone amps tied to the XLR outputs. Why not the 8 aux outs that are normally there. and on that front what happened to Aux Outs 1-6? are they just gone? Seems like a bad trade off for the "feature" of built in headphone amps.
I totally agree! Didn't know that headphone amps were more popular than aux out 🤷♂️ And you can actually use the old aux out to drive headphones. Stupid desicion that will make this unit 5 rack spaces high instead of 4 couse you need an output box.
Well I’m glad you know how to work it but after 10 minutes I basically didn’t understand a thing you were doing you were hitting so many damn buttons you might as well been speaking in Spanish which I don’t speak
I had to learn it myself. I don't know that I could slow down the pacing of the video given the limitations of YT and the overall audience demo. I'm sure some users who have lots of experience on the full-sized Wing were wishing I'd go faster or skip some things entirely. Really, part of it is having one in front of you for hands-on experimentation. Then things will click better when you can do what I'm doing and see it happening and working as you go along. Or secondarily, downloading the Wing-Edit software and following along with that or just pecking and poking at it to see what is what. It's hard to watch only, and it all to make sense without some kind of hands-on experience to relate to what you're seeing. It's so different from the X/M32 and X/M-Air Platform that you can't really relate it to that. Other than the basics... a channel strip... gain at the start of the signal chain... channel sends.... EQ... etc... channel fader.
It's alive! The Wing Rack has a lot of features making it a very viable option for a touring IEM monitor rig. Lot of local I/O out of the box, but easily and affordable expansion options as well. So it can grow with the band or be scaled to fit a larger band if you need more than 24 channels and 8 outputs. StageCONNECT and AES50 supported for expansion.
And a lot of power and useful features that weren't in the X32 Rack.
Or even as a FOH/Mon rig for bands mixing themselves or a FOH tech working from a pad.
Long video with a lot of ground to cover so leave any comments or questions below.
I've used MIXING STATION for Years!!..., and I've used a few Custom Layouts for My particular needs.. *This* particular STOCK Layout Screams MS..!!! Way to GO for Behringer and MT for listening to what the 'people' want and Delivering!!!
I just watched your overview video also, & yes, thats a lot of info to take in
Great tutorials as usual Alan 😊
Thanks! Yes, lots of info between those two videos. And still a lot of ground to cover from different angles and uses in the future.
@AlanHamiltonAudio you've helped me tremendously with my XR18 & X32 & getting Reaper going, which is still working flawlessly by the way, thank you, but im just a small time gig here & there at local bars & clubs, im not ready to step up to a wing board yet, but i do enjoy watching & learning from your videos 😉
Lots of good info in this video! I hope I can find it again when my Wing Rack arrives, some time next year.
Thanks!
You can download the Edit Wing software from Behringer and practice till yours comes. That's what I'm doing .
The X32 and X32 Rack have been used as IEM mixer for over a decade, so the Wing Rack should be even better! It's nice that it has an integrated touch display instead of having to rely on iPads and phones like you need to with the X32 Rack (if you don't want to use the buttons and encoders, that is).
100% agree. It's like the X32 Rack on steroids. ;)
@@AlanHamiltonAudio and these steroids don't cost much more at all - 10 year jump in processing and features.
Great video with best use case set up
For people needing more IEM stereo mixes you can always add Midas DP48's. you can Daisey chain them or use the Midas HUB4.
Awesome, thanks for yet another great video.
Thanks! 🙂
More of these please!
Thanks!
X32R for IEM mixing here. Using all 12 buses - so with the Wing with 8 outs, looks like the four headphone jacks work as headphone jack HJ1 = Out1-2... Too bad they didn't treat them as Aux out 1-8. I think we would need to add stage connects to get more outs. Wing might be in our future (though I so much would love an Avantis or dLive).
AFAIK, the 4 rear headphone outs are simply a bonus feature hardwired in pairs to the existing 8 local XLR outs. A lot of people see them as Behringer's idea for a replacement for the X32's (and X32 Rack's) aux I/O and would've preferred the Aux I/O. But I get the feeling Behringer thought the 8 extra local preamps were a replacement for the Aux I/O on the X32 Rack. Thinking the extra inputs were more important than extra local outputs. Especially, when you figure the price point and bands that would use it out of the box and be fine with 24/8.
I'm just guessing here though... But a lot of people (if you read the comments here and on FB) seemed to have been using Aux outs to feed mons (IEMs) on the X32 Rack. Which leaves the Wing Rack behind in local outputs when you compare the 2. I've been a little surprised by people having a 16 preamp console (X32 Rack) needing more than 8 local outputs. But obviously they exist, and they figured out how to use the Aux Outs on the X32 Rack to make it work.
I just think in the bigger picture and as time goes on, with everything the Wing Rack offers, and the price point, that it will fill a need for bands at one level, while being upgradeable through StageCONNECT and/or AES50 boxes from Midas and Behringer to fit a whole host of situations. From local bands playing a couple of nights a month to touring acts of a certain scale. The Wing Rack internally is far more capable of handling multiple STEREO IEM mixes than the X32 rack or X/M32 platform in general. And with more horsepower/features.
@@AlanHamiltonAudio should be an easy add for a stageconnect out for extra outs. Stereo IEMs are much nicer and if choice is there, a five piece band would need ten outs. Thanks for the video, pretty complete. My church is about near 10 years on X32 and may be time to get new. I just did the A&H dLive class with Mike Bangs and would enjoy that but seems a bit pricey for us, though I think we could afford it or an Avantis if we tried. Wing is the next best option.
I love the Wing!
Someone needs to release a rack console slightly more suited for local bands as these IEM rigs get more and more common. There's always a few things that cause inconvenience in regards to where the inputs and outputs are located. If they made something with 24 inputs on the front for plenty of hookups, and then on the back have two 1/4" to connect bluetooth/laptop/etc, and 12-16 aux outs so that at least 5 band members can have stereo IEM mixes and then have two outputs for the mains and an optional extra out to run subs on aux. Then put at least the capabilities of the X32 in there so people can have some capabilities to do some bus routing and all that. That'd be the perfect compact console for the millions of local musicians like myself. My main gripe is if the outputs are on the front of the console OR that the inputs are on the back of the console. Let us musicians plug in the front and leave all the outputs and random stuff in the back to be setup IN the rack itself where it should be!
I use an Art P16 xlr patch bay to get the xlr’s to the front.
@@robertlofgren6834 see that’s my point though. They should make it so we don’t have to buy extra equipment to do that. Make it easy for the musicians
Presonus 24r?
Or 32r
@@wobblyguitarist1701 if they had the outputs XLR itd be perfect
Why did they lock the xlr outputs and the headphones together? I often run both IEMs and FOH from the same mixer, and this limitation will force me to buy an auxilary stagebox to run Main LR, Sub and Fills in my typical scenario. Sometimes Behringer cuts corners somewhere where it dosn't make sense to me and I don't think provides any marginal benefit to them. Are 4 extra DA converters that expensive to have the headphone outputs independent from the XLR outputs?
This is the fatal flaw of the wing rack.
Yes, big flaw. Unbelievably dumb choice.
Thanks for the super helpful video! I’m looking to get a 16 channel splitter and am deciding between seismic audio and proreck, or maybe even another company. Have you had any issues with the proreck at all? It’s cheaper than seemingly everything else so I want to make sure it’s decent quality.
I liked the ProReck well enough that I ended up buying a second one.... 32 channel split. I put it in a rack by itself to give me another option for splitting the X32/M32/ and a DL32 in monitor land to whatever the chosen monitor console is.
Yes, we could just go console to console via AES50, but then there's gain sharing to deal with.
We have a 48 channel splitter and snake. That typically is given to the headliner, unless they don't need our snake. The 32ch Proreck gives me the option to just use Ethercon Cat5e to the stage from the M32 (or M32R) and then hit the Midas DL 32. Then we can use the Proreck to split between the DL32 and the monitor console (which can technically be ANY console since it's an analog split. The advantage here is we only need to run the Cat cable... We can let the headliner have the 48ch snake (or not use all that copper at all if they don't need it)... no gain sharing... the Proreck rack is smaller than the 48ch splitter head so it makes for a smaller footprint (and this then lends itself to other gigs where headliner or not, we can just run the Ethercon Cat between FOH and the DL32 at Mon world, and then the Proreck splits the stage to the two consoles, and we get a smaller footprint (and no multipins to connect like on the bigger splitter).
I don't know I'd want one riding around in a cable case and getting pulled and yanked on... But for being racked it seems well made and the rack will protect the cable ends (just coil them and put them in the rack when finished). If they were allowed to be loose I might worry about someone pulling hard enough to break a connection on an end that might be caught amongst a trunk full of cables. But honestly, that is true of any cables, even with pig bags on the fanouts. I just fixed a channel of the Horizon fanout at the last gig that had been pulled apart internally on one of the Switchcraft XLR ends.
It's not rocket science to make a splitter and so far I don't have a reason to complain about the Proreck. But neither the 24 ch or 32 ch I have has gotten much use yet.
@@AlanHamiltonAudio Great, I think I'll be going with Proreck in that case. Thanks so much! I just got the Wing Rack and am setting up a simple splitter system and at the moment only using the Wing for IEMs for my band and sending all the split channels to the house and letting them mix everything without any processing from the Wing. This video was great and it's good to know I can expand the outputs with the stage connect boxes if I need to.
@@maxgorelick Cool! I don't think you'll be disappointed with the Proreck. It looks as good as any of the Seismic I've seen.
@@AlanHamiltonAudio These have no transformer, is there a situation where you would need a splitter with transformers like on the Art S8?
@@robdurkin2241 I hate to say it... but transformers are overrated. A passive split will be fine in 99.9% of the situations you'll ever face when just splitting two consoles.
I'm gonna see ALOT of these in the next few years...(FOH at a Busy Club..)
Question for anyone here who's a FoH engineer that's worked with bands that bring a rack like this: Do you expect the musicians to bring a snake to plug into the house's stage box? Or do you guys keep plenty of XLR cables on hand and don't require the snake that Alan showed here with the 30ft snake from the Proreck splitter?
I ask because I have a band rack that's essentially fully pre setup and enclosed that supports 2 wireless guitar systems per guitar player, 2 fractal Axe FX 3's, 4 Shure IEM systems, and currently hooked up to an x32. However, before all of these are sent to the x32, I send them to an Art S8-3Way splitter and I give a physical tap point on the front of the rack for FoH, and then send all feeds to my x32. The system was designed for FoH to connect directly to these splitters after removing their prefered mics, and the plan was to give FoH pictures, diagrams, and a full rider explaining the setup prior to a show.
I just purchased the Wing Rack as I'm planning to upgrade to it from the x32, and if my current solution is going to be frowned upon by FoH, I'd rather get it fixed once my Wing comes in and I have to gut the rack, rather than find out the hard way and have a FoH engineer yell at me before a gig.
I kind of got lost in what you're saying your plan is. So I don't want to answer that wrong.
But for the first part, I can safely say the majority of the time that a band is carrying an ear rack they are providing the tails that go to FOH. It could be a splitter snake similar to what is in the video or it could be 4 or 8 channel rackmount splitter boxes. In that case, they have a fan to fan snake (or a couple) that they attach to the splitter out to connect to FOH (and ideally for the band have the rack built so that the fan tails stay connected.
Most bands with an ear rack also provide their own mics and cables too. That keeps their mixes very consistent on their ear mixer. But in case of mics/cables... there are definitely bands that expect the mics and cables (and stands and DI's) to be provided. I'd say that is maybe 1/4 of the time.
Then there's the digital split stuff...
Honestly, I'm not sure I've ever had a band with an ear rack mixer that didn't have their own tails. And as a provider, I definitely wouldn't want to be messing with mic individual mic cables to go from a raw splitter with no tails. If it was advanced that it would be happening, I'd probably try and bring some fan to fan snakes to dedicate to doing this. I wouldn't want to be surprised by it at load in and just have mic cables available for it.
But really, it would be a PITA because of all the cross referencing and individual runs. And lack of markings on the cables (making a mis-patch or troubleshooting really troublesome).
Ideally, the band will have tails, and the tails for FOH will be marked by source. That is then dead simple since the tech can connect the tails into the house patch without cross-reference what number is what... Kick goes into kick... snare into snare...
And it doesn't matter if the band is using some non-standard patch because it's invisible to the house IF the band has and patches their own mics on their side of the equation.
In important ways it's a step back. Size /outs/...
Certainly for what 90 % of bands used it for.
I talked about that in the Overview video- ruclips.net/video/Bw3oLOhplfA/видео.html
I'm not sure 90% of the people using an X32 Rack were actually maxing it out like that. But certainly, they could if they wanted or knew how.
If the goal is to make a micro-ear rack, then certainly the Wing Rack is probably going the wrong direction, but I don't know that is what was on their minds. Things like the X32 Rack and XR18 still exist in the product lineup and can certainly still cover that base.
So a micro flight-ready rack or to fit in the trunk or backseat of the car, is probably not the market it's aimed at.
I see it more as for the band doing a van tour/trailer tour or gigs, festival openers, etc... Where the floorspace of the rack is all that matters. Height won't be an issue. Something where they can package their Wing Rack, expansion that they need (be it input or output) and their splitter. Then either the ears live in the rack too... or in a sep rack.
The 24 pre's are definitely an upgrade on the "I" part of the I/O comparison. But nothing really makes up for the aux outs that are on the X32.
So not only is the Wing Rack 1sp bigger than the X32 Rack, but it will require at least more space to expand the outputs. But when you do use that 1sp of expansion, now you're beyond the I/O of the X32 Rack. And there are several other ways to do expansion.
Out of the box though, the X32 Rack has extra outputs. That's a plus if that is what a band needs and all they need.
But then the other side of the coin becomes a factor- Bigger screen is a main factor why the Wing Rack is the size it is. And it's a touchscreen. All the extra power and options of the Wing and with a large touchscreen adding the ability to adjust things easily and quickly without even worrying about a tablet or computer being around. And the 24 mic inputs will fit a lot more bands than the 16 mic inputs on the X32 Rack. Even with the Aux inputs factored into the equation.
I even wonder if Behringer was even considering making the Wing Rack a direct 1 to 1 competitor with the X32 Rack? IOW... if the X32 Rack does what a person needs then that's what they need to look at or keep using. If they want more under the hood, and more of a powerful expansion/building block, then the Wing Rack is probably more suitable. Not just a mixer to swap out the X32 Rack in a rack for.
Hi Al!
Good afternoon Hunter! I'm about to send you an email for your Dad's mic question for the church. Be on the lookout for it.
I just checked the church email, and did not see anything
@@huntercurry I'm moving slow... ;)
Saw you were using the phenyx pro antenna combiner have you had good experiences with it?
For the Sennheiser IEMs I'm using the RF Venue Combine 8 Antenna Combiner. For the Shure RF Mics I have the Shure RF Ant distribution system.
I don't have the Phenyx Pro distribution system, though I don't doubt it's solid for RF mics. The tech isn't rocket science ;) ...and from looking at the online info it seems to check all the boxes.
Keep in mind, so far anyway, they only have the mic version. They don't have an antenna combiner for IEMs. Those two things aren't interchangeable. One is for receivers and the other for transmitters.
I have a partially completed video on this topic. Just need to find some time to finish it properly.
@@AlanHamiltonAudio gotcha could have sworn on one of the rack configs there was a cut to the phenyx pro my bad that splitter been working ok by them?
yo quiero una de esas
For an IEM rig I think I'd rather pack 8 more outputs than the 8 inputs. This is definitely one major advantage of the X32 Rack with the 6 routable aux ports
The wing can easily do 16 stereo mixes via channel sends/buses, while the X32 platform is limited to 8 stereo mixes. And while both have to sacrifice FX buses to do that, the Wing's ability to do up to 16 stereo mixes is more than many bands will need. ...leaving buses available easily enough for FX.
And the cost to expand 16 more outputs via StageCONNECT is less than US$400.00 currently. Making a solid package and it's pretty affordable and competitive with any other rack mixers for the feature set and having the 8 local outs and 16 more via StageCONNECT. At least that is one option.
I'm a little surprised they opted not to have a few TRS aux buses (outputs and inputs for that matter), but I don't think it's a dealbreaker in most situations. Especially for the market that I expect these to be used in and how they'll be used.
And a lot of this discussion is about stereo mixes yet a lot of bands are only doing mono anyway. Stereo gets expensive fast when you have to one transmitter for every mix, and then after 2 or 3 transmitters you start needing to go to an antenna combiner system (adding more expense). OTOH, those that are spending the money on these things for multiple stereo mixes are probably not going to scoff at approx 379.00 additional to add 16 more outputs. Or even one of the AES50 solutions for more pres and outs.
@@AlanHamiltonAudio24 stereo mixes if you count the 4 mains and 8 matrixes.
@@AlanHamiltonAudio Please tell me, did I understand correctly that if I have 9 musicians in my group, then each of them can receive a stereo signal in their IEM's and control their mix via their phone? I mean, if we have additional equipment, like SD8 or 4816-O
@@dentalstories There are 16 stereo buses that are channel sends. So, yes, as long as you add a box or boxes to add more physical outputs you can do 9 stereo mixes easily. The Wing Rack out of the box has 8 outs so that is 4 stereo, so you need 10 more outputs for the additional 5 stereo outs. So the DN4816-O itself easily gets you there fairly economically.
That said, if you also need more inputs too, then one of the other options like a Midas DL32 or the Behringer S32 connected via AES50 might make more sense. One of those adds 32 additional inputs and 16 additional outputs. Or could be overkill depending on the total I/O count you need. But there are multiple options now as far as I/O expansion goes.
But definitely, the Wing Rack can handle 9 stereo mixes as long as the physical outputs are added into the equation, and Mixing Station software can let all musicians have control via their phones or a tablet (or laptop even). Wing-Edit itself will only run on a PC or Mac, but there's other software like Mixing Station that will work on Android and iOS devices.
@@AlanHamiltonAudio Thank you for your reply! God bless you!
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Hey Cindy!
Just 2 months after buying the x32 rack and this coming out - makes me wonder if investing in the old x32 was a smart or bad investment. This however, it seems as though this is more aimed for larger bands needing more as opposed to smaller/mid sized (local) bands with IEM mixes. Future proofing sounds like a good idea but… would just anyone upgrade/invest?
Why dont use the 4 stereo mains to output onto the 4 stereo outputs.
the main busses have more capabilities to get stuff routed to them like matrices etc.
I have a Wing. If I buy a Wing Rack, do I do a digital split? Also in doing a digital split would I hook the stage boxes to FOH or the IEM rig?
If you already have a Wing, and you add a Wing Rack for monitors, then you could connect via AES50 and use the Wing Rack as your inputs. You'd have 24 inputs. You'd use gain sharing. AES50 would be (essentially) acting as the splitter. One the gain is set, you'd make fine tuning adjustments using the Trim control. As far as outputs, you'd have the ability to use the 8 outs on the Wing Rack plus you could bring 8 more from the front of house Wing.
If you already have some AES50 boxes like a DL32, S32, an SD8, etc.... then you'd land those at the stage and likely want to connect those to the Wing Rack rather than back to the Wing. Then you'd just connect the Wing to the Wing Rack. And then you could use all of the outputs in them, if needed, plus the outs in the Wing Rack... and the local outs on the FOH could also be used (the old fashioned way of sending 8 analog lines from FOH to the stage). But, assuming you have plenty outs for everything you need at the stage with the Wing Rack and any AES50 boxes, or StageCONNECT, then you could not even use the local outs on the Wing at FOH and just send your FOH outs via AES50 to come from an AES50 box at the stage (for example). Local outs could still be used, but for something needing an output that is living at FOH like a record feed for example.
@@AlanHamiltonAudio Have you tried this?
Is it possible to do 8 stereo mixes with just the wing rack?
The mixing capability is there, but not the physical outputs. So the rack alone can't do 8 stereo mixes. It has 8 mono outputs which is the max using local outs. It takes two mono outs (on any console) to make stereo, so 4 stereo outs is the max for the Wing Rack without adding additional outputs.
There are 4 headphone outputs in the back. Can those be patched separately?
For example:
8 xlr outs for 4 stereo iem’s (bus 1-4).
And then headphone outputs for 4 more iem’s (bus 5-8).
No they can’t. It’s a hardware limitation.
@@robertlofgren6834are you sure about that? Seems a massive oversight if so!! So they have to be matched to the xlr output routing? I wonder if this will change in future with a firmware update?
I don't think they can do anything but be linked as headphone amps for the local outs.
More of an added bonus than an entirely new fully customizable feature.
So, for a band that parks the rack near the drummer and/or keyboard player (musicians that don't move around) , then I suppose hardwired ears straight to the rack (or via an extension cable to the Wing Rack) would be fine. But most musicians if not the entire band are going to be RF so the hardwired outs probably not used much.
BUT... in a rehearsal space? Especially if it's a 'quiet rehearsal' space, it would be a quick and easy way to get the band all on earbuds or headphones.
OR... Recording scenario... 4 headphone mixes and connections right on the unit itself could save spending money on a separate headphone amp. Or expand the possibilities for a studio setup if someone was to have an existing headphone amp setup. Or add one.
@@bentaylordrums , yes I’m sure. It is a physical limitation due to the internal architecture or otherwise they would have added it.
I'd have preferred either that they were routable to different busses than the xlr outs or that they'd just left the TRS aux in/ outs on it so they could be used for that purpose instead. That way you could link to wireless monitoring (which is what I planned to do from the headphone outs as well as hard lines to the rest of the band from XLR outs).
What a shame that's a bit gutting, I might cancel my preorder and just stick with my x32 :(
Do you see a way the wing rack could be useful in a studio? With several outboard compressors and preamps? Also 4 synths and a few other pieces of gear. I’m onlooking for a way to enhance or spice up my work flow. Building studio now. I feel,like there is something there, with the wing rack, that could be the shortcut I’ve been looking for. Not familiar with that many systems, been out of the game for a while. Pardon me.
I do think it has some possibilities for a studio piece. And being so portable and such a small package, especially could be useful for someone that wants a bit of both a live rack mount console AND does home recording. And that's a way to make use of those rear headphone outputs too... feeing independent headphone mixes to 4 musicians. And all without adding anything except the headphones and maybe an extension cable. No separate multi channel headphone amp necessary.
I hit an indoor venue this weekend (Pyromania tribute) and FOH was using A&H DLive which is big money. He suggested the Avantis. The Waves eMotion LV1 classic just came out and there has been a lot of hype about the Behringer Wing rack coming out. Are all three of these better options than the Wing/X32 that you have done videos with? Equipment only goes from stage to storage.
eMotion LV1 will sound way better than any of the options you listed, and it'll be more flexible and have way more tools (plugins) that can make mixing easier and more fun. A stagebox you'll probably need if you buy the LV Classic would set you back another 3-5k USD, which is more than Midas DL boxes or Allen-Heath boxes cost.
Wing will be the cheapest and will sound on par with Avantis. Avantis is a bit more flexible and integrates with other ecosystems better. For example the Wing only has a Dante card you can add, while Avantic has a Waves card you can use to add plugins to your console or integration with an LV1 system.
Wing is awesome if you are very limited on budget, but need great sound, flexibility and eas of use. I wouldn't invest in M/X32 ecosystem at this point, it is too outdated and limited.
DLive is still widely used and is a great console, but it is also getting outdated. Avantis sounds worse, but is more modern and flexible, and cheaper.
@@igorzavalnyi5341 thank you for the reply. With the costs of lighting, microphones, wireless, etc I can't go cheap. I also don't want to invest in something that is becoming outdated such as the SQ series from Allen & Heath. Will bite the bullet and go eMotion thank you.
I've not used the LV1 so can't speak to that. Lots of people know and have showfiles for the M32/X32. So, on one hand they've been around a while. OTOH, they're still being made and used and LOTS of people know their way around them.
The Wing stuff does not show up in riders (that I've seen yet)... while the M32 and X32 DO make appearances there for some bands, depending on their level. M32 moreso than the X32, even though functionally they're the same.
Lots of acts at varying levels have some form of the X/M32 incorporated into their travel rig. Another reason, everyone knows it. And all the clubs that have it installed. Any band on a club tour, or who has ever been on one, likely has at least a passing knowledge of it from that.
I expect, now that MG has expanded the Wing line and has more of a push behind the Wing line with more things to be pushing, that it could become more familiar. I see the Wing Rack making its way to IEM racks as a replacement for the X32 Rack.
Avantis is probably OK to consider. I like AH stuff as a rule but I'd probably not buy it unless it was a personal use scenario. SQ doesn't really float my boat as anything I'd consider buying, short of a deal and some kind of need it fills. I'd rather just mix on an M32.
One of the bands this weekend was using a baby D-Live at FOH but AH is not typically a rider console. The quality is there, it's the familiarity where it loses steam as the lower tier of rider consoles.
Can I send my main mix from the wing rack to a X32 via AES50?
AES50 works the same as it always has, so if you want the main mix from the Wing Rack to go thru your X32 and use the X32 for the main outputs to feed the PA, then that definitely works.
If you mean having your mix pop up on the X32 faders and be able to 'mix' the Wing Rack from the X32, then no... you can't do that.
My question it’s ( where should I connect my Mains Speakers to ! ? )
The default would normally be outputs 7-8 for left and right. But if you add a StageCONNECT box like I did in the video, then you'd likely make the house connects the last of the SC outputs. Either the last 4 for L-R-S-F or last 2 for L-R.
Can I use scenes from my x32 rack and just transfer them to the wing via usb?
I cannot imagine it would work... I've not tried though. But the two platforms are very different. If you've mixed on and worked on the X-Air platform (on X-Air Edit for example) and then got behind an X32 (or vice versa), it's basically the same. So it makes sense that those scenes could transfer where there's commonality.
But, pretty much there is no (obvious) commonality between the Wing and the X32 platform. Everything is re-thought out and modernized.
So my GUESS is that nothing would transfer. It feels/looks like a new OS.
Hi…..When in routing, why are my inputs under Source Group Local In, all grayed out after LCL8? I was able to assign the channel and route to the source but they read n/a instead of the icon…..?
Are you offline or connected to the Wing Rack? Also, latest version of the software? If you are offline it might be defaulting to the full size Wing local IO which would just have 8 local inputs. When connected to the Rack then the NAs would be available...
Thank you for the response. The software was downloaded loaded yesterday, and I am offline. I guess that must be it. I’m trying to configure my setup as my unit is still on order.
@@mrsimulator9844 Pretty sure that's going to be the answer.
Hey Alan…… I found the answer. Setup page on Wing-Edit, Connect tab, far right side Wing Model, dropdown to wing-rack. All had come alive!!!!! 🎉
@@mrsimulator9844 Aha! That wasn't in the previous version of Wing-Edit and I hadn't had much time on the newer version of Wing-Edit. Good info!
Where can I get the manual for this mixer?
Since mine was an early production model, I was "Winging" it... as well as studying the regular Wing for operation examples. Behringer now has a Wing page up for the full lineup, so there's a lot of info there including download-ables like the Quick Start guide:
mediadl.musictribe.com/media/PLM/data/docs/0604-AAE/QSG_BE_0604-AAE_WING%20RACK_WW.pdf
@@AlanHamiltonAudio perfect thanks. I noticed this quick start guide but was wondering if there is a more in-depth “full” manual or if the quick start is the main manual for this mixer
//// I have my analog Pa sistem , can i use part of my analog PA sistem like my EQ klark teknik N370 , my audio snake whirlwind ms 32 , yamaha SPX 2000 , compressor Rane C4 whit this brand new rack digital Behringer mixer ?????? greetings from Perú //////
You can, but you have to use up inputs and outs to do it (for send/returns effects or processing you want to insert on a channel or bus). Same as most any other digital console in this regard. There are no special allowances for inserts outside of creating your own thru the normal I/O on the unit. And that means taking then away from other console outputs or channel inputs.
No reason you can't use your Whirlwind snake just as it is.
Any processing that you run in-line, you can run it like always... For example, main L-R out of the console to a stereo compressor (and/or EQ), and out of this and onto the PA amps/speakers.
You got this in August?
I've had it for a bit. One of the early production models.
What cost for one off them
US$ 1599.00 currently at Sweetwater (as of Oct 9, 2024).
I have links in the video description.
How come you’re not using the 5 headphone amp outputs to go to your IEMs?
The headphone outs are tied to headphone amps and are themselves tied to XLR outs 1-2 / 3-4 / 5-6 / 7-8. 4 stereo pairs. They aren't additional, independent outputs.
So for my needs, I need wireless IEMS. So the headphone outs don't really gain me anything. But for a band that has wired ears, or some wired ears, they could (with enough cable) use those outputs and not even need a beltpack. Or would easily work with a Behringer PM1 (small beltback with volume control but no headphone amp). That way the musician could have an overall level control without needing his/her own tablet (assuming they weren't already controlling their own mix... which in that case they could just go straight to the Wing Rack and turn down the master monitor at the Rack.
Now that said, in my final configuration I put 6 Sennheiser IEM transmitters and an RF Venue Combiner in their own rack with a fan-out snake to connect back to the mixer (so I can use these with different mixers). So, it would be easy enough from the Wing Rack to give someone a hardwired feed (like a drummer) who doesn't need RF. But I also have the Behringer P1 beltpacks (which I showed one of these in the video). So it makes the headphone outputs redundant (for me).
But a band that plants the Wing Rack right by the drums or keyboards, they definitely could use one of those stereo outs just about as easy anything else.
@@AlanHamiltonAudio It’s so nice to hear from someone who actually knows what they’re talking about. I’ve been calling all over the place and no one will give me a straight answer! So of course I have more questions:
Does this mean that, out of the box, you can’t use the 5 headphone outs AND the 8 XLR Outs at the same time? I was planning on using the 4headphone outs to wireless IEMs, plug the drummer into the headphone out on the front, the use the Midas DN4816-O plus the 8 Outs on the Wing Rack to get 24 Line Outs to the FOH.
@@BeatsAndMeats Yes... you have it correct. The 4 rear headphone outputs are just duplicates (in stereo pairs) of the 8 XLR outs. Not 4 additional outputs.
As for the 5th HP out on the front... I have just used it for soloing and listening to L-R mix... I haven't checked to see what routing options it has beyond those.
Although you can DL Wing-Edit software from Behringer and play around with the routing in offline mode to see the various options there might be.
@@AlanHamiltonAudiothis is really disappointing news after the unit being advertised as those being additional outs. If those were independent outs, bands could use those for stereo iems and then the xlr outs could be utilized to run front of house.
You said “DN4880-O” it’s really the “DN4816-O”. ***
Must've missed that one and either wrote it wrong in the script or said it wrong and had it right in the script.
That is so stupid to have the Headphone amps tied to the XLR outputs. Why not the 8 aux outs that are normally there. and on that front what happened to Aux Outs 1-6? are they just gone? Seems like a bad trade off for the "feature" of built in headphone amps.
I totally agree! Didn't know that headphone amps were more popular than aux out 🤷♂️ And you can actually use the old aux out to drive headphones. Stupid desicion that will make this unit 5 rack spaces high instead of 4 couse you need an output box.
Think this can be changed via software update.
@@rovenordialesunfortunately no. It's a internal hardwire thing. Been confirmed in the wing groups by beta testers
@@DustySeven7 omg a big miss indeed then!
Well I’m glad you know how to work it but after 10 minutes I basically didn’t understand a thing you were doing you were hitting so many damn buttons you might as well been speaking in Spanish which I don’t speak
I had to learn it myself. I don't know that I could slow down the pacing of the video given the limitations of YT and the overall audience demo. I'm sure some users who have lots of experience on the full-sized Wing were wishing I'd go faster or skip some things entirely.
Really, part of it is having one in front of you for hands-on experimentation. Then things will click better when you can do what I'm doing and see it happening and working as you go along. Or secondarily, downloading the Wing-Edit software and following along with that or just pecking and poking at it to see what is what.
It's hard to watch only, and it all to make sense without some kind of hands-on experience to relate to what you're seeing.
It's so different from the X/M32 and X/M-Air Platform that you can't really relate it to that. Other than the basics... a channel strip... gain at the start of the signal chain... channel sends.... EQ... etc... channel fader.
Getting Too big to fly.
Gooey - Its pronounced gooey. OH god
G.U.I. = Graphical User Interface. I prefer to say G.U.I. because "gooey" sounds dumb. I realize people use it... I don't. And neither way is wrong.