I put a system together with the 24R and splitters a few years ago. When you can walk into a gig and tell the house guy "don't worry about monitors", they get a big smile on their face.
@@dylanjastle we supply all of the sound sources. My current band (@HairMetalGiants) uses electronic drums. Also, we have a silent stage (no amps, everything direct). The lead vocalist is wireless, and the rest of us have wired vocal mics. In a previous band where we used a split, we did have acoustic drums and the drummer used his own mics. The thing was, he had better mics than most of the venues did. Plus, his mics clipped on the drums and the kick had a Kelly SHU mounting system. The only stands were for high hat and overheads.
These might be silly questions but: Are your splitter/s rack mounted? Also with the inputs for the PreSonus being on the front, do you have to repatch its inputs for every show, as having it permanently patched might not fit within a rack?
Scott this video is EXACTLY what we needed! Seriously couldn’t have come at a better time. Our singer has actually reached out to you before with a few questions about this and we really appreciate it. We were trying to figure out how to run stereo to our sennheiser iem’s and this video perfectly and quickly explained something that we were confused on. You even mentioned our exact setup! The mixer, two iem systems, a splitter and conditioner, and wired for drums. Many thanks Scott🙏💯👌
Scott, you are a great instructor! Your playing experience greatly helps make your information practical and applicable! You speak musician to musicians! Thank you!
It’s extremely well designed. I haven’t decided yet overall. I have been telling one of the groups I work with that I have a fly rig now, so if we need a travel mixer, this will 100% be the one. There is no way for me to fly with my current mixer 🤘
If you compare the 16R to the Midas MR18, it seems that the Midas has more to offer? Midas is 3 rack spaces but it’s so shallow, that you can put it behind stuff, or get a shallow rack. You can use the Midas DN4816 for FOH, instead of 2 ART splitter boxes. So it probably becomes a toss up on size? Also you can have a rack for everything but the MR18 mixer. Then put the mixer in a separate bag. 🧐
@@AllenMarkelI kinda am in the same mindset. Although I currently have the Behringer XR18, I don’t see anything this offers above it other than being 1u (and I’m sure someone will say “and not being a Behringer”, but folks just can’t help themselves I guess). I’ve had no issues with the Behringer, and if I’m only using it for IEM then I’m not as concerned about preamp quality as I would be if it were my FOH rig. Any upgrade in preamps will be nullified by the IEM compander anyway. The front-facing XLR outputs of the XR18 are alone enough for it to be preferable for my use. For the record, I use a Presonus Quantum interface with Studio One, so I’m not anti-Presonus by any means.
@@stevesheroan4131 I see the benefits in the 24 and 32 channel mixers but not in the 16 channel format. My gripe is the depth of the unit. I have the Midas version, so I doubt the Presonus version is any better.I copied and pasted this comment to put as a comment so it doesn't get lost as a reply.
One amazing thing that I have figured out with the Presonus gear is when you record back to individual channels in a DAW like logic, and you do that pre-fader. Later you can configure logic to output those recordings back through the original channels on the mixer. You’ll have to set all of the inputs to digital, but then it will playback as if the entire band is playing. It’s a great way to do sound check in a new space.
If you record into Capture and save the file with mixer channel settings. When you open the Capture file in Studio One all of the mixer channels settings, ie EQ, Comp, Gate & Lim loads into Studio One alone with effects.
@@byronsanto in practice I’ve found this to be a little buggy, and twice I’ve found myself with some kind of feedback loop that was too hard to diagnose at a gig. So I switched to logic, which I found to be easier to understand and troubleshoot.
@@bscheirman I’ve been using Capture since 2012 with 1000’s of hours of live gig recordings. I actually record every gig I do which is every weekend. I’ve never had any issues but I did setup my MAC to be an audio recording computer.
@@byronsanto Quick question: If you open some stems (tracks) onto Studio One, and you route those channels to StudioLive 16 or 24R (rack mixer) and play those stems, can you control the stems through Universal Control's StudioLive16R or 24R software faders? And apply FAT Channel to them?
We use the 16R in my band. One thing you didn't mention is that it's actually a 19 channel mixer. In addition to the 16 standard channels, there's a digital return channel that we use for tracks, and a talkback channel. They don't have physical inputs on the rack, but my band doesn't use all the physical inputs anyway since we have click and cues routed digitally to channels 5 & 6. I routed input 5 to the talkback channel so the FoH engineer can talk directly into our ears if needed.
I bought an Allen And Heath QuPac a years ago, and I do really like it. But I wished I'd kept looking and found the Presonus 32R. All of my gripes with the QuPac are non existent with it. Namely Auxes are fixed mono or stereo, it's only a 32 channel with an audio expander (which is almost the cost of the mixer itself at the time of purchase) plus other a few other things, which aren't deal breakers but yeah... wished I'd kept looking.
So here’s a newb question. I’ve been looking to move to a digital mixer (xr18 or this) for my bluegrass band. Additionally I’m going to do some tracking with a 3 piece band in the next few months. Is there some fundamental difference in style/quality of the pre-amps between Behringer and Presonus? The 3u rack space is obviously nice but not a deal breaker for me. At the end of the day I guess I’m shopping for an audio interface as well as live mixer for our humble needs (less than 5 channels)
If I could give this video 2 LIKES I would. 'Just watched it for the third time since Scott posted it from start to finish because it is a great breakdown of this Presonus digital mixer and a great overview of digital mixing in general. Just FANTASTIC. OH yeah - 👍👍😎.
Thanks for this. I own the 16R and it hasn't landed a place as my IEM daily driver yet for three reasons. 1) When using splitters it is a common use case to squeeze another set of outs from a unit by using the main outputs as an IEM output. It is difficult to do this on the 16R because adjusting the main outputs does not alter the output of the headphone output on the 16R. So in this use case the person using mains for IEM output would need to be in physical reach of the headphone knob on the front of the unit to adjust overall volume 2) It really is a deep rack unit ... it is small in height but is really long ... you mentioned this in the vid but it really is a thing to be aware of. I also thought it was quite heavy but checking the stats its is lighter than some of its competitors so perhaps I need a lighter rack. 3) As an IEM + FoH mixer it is missing some of the mod cons, like anti-feedback ... not an issue if it is used for IEM only, but go back to point #1 if you're using it for just IEMs. Couple of misc points ... I've also seen user based functionality on other units, it's not just a Presonus thing. I love that each of the front ins is a combo unit ... I wish more did that. But TRS outs (as opposed to XLRs) is annoying and requires adaptors, but they are not the only guys doing that. And the 32R unit looks really interesting with all those aux outs because some can be reallocated to subs and by doing this you can almost get it to auto mix in the manner that Rat from RHCP describes ... I think I wish I bought that unit :) Thanks again.
Thank you!!... I just got my Presonus 16R.....how do you connect a Samsung tablet directly and not by wifi router to the 16R? I saw you were doing it in one of your videos but I couldn't find it.
THANK YOU for your fabulous videos! SEARCHING for help! Do you have a video and/or recommendation: to expand our XR18 based IEM racked, portable console, which we split to FOH w Snake? (we want additional channels for the hybrid drum set and multiple backing vocalists) Examples, replace Xr18 with Presonus 32R or XR32? Can we add an XR-12 & connect to the XR18 in our rack? THANKS!!!
Thanks! Glad you like the video. And for doing a split with the X32 or XR18, I’ve found this to be the easiest: ruclips.net/video/vhKOkp4Ives/видео.htmlsi=BMHP53v3UYy5nHwk
I own a bunch of Presonus equipment. This was the best tutorial on the app I have ever watched. Presonus should have it on their tutorial list on their website. I would love to see a similar video on in ear setup on their studio one recording software with the quantum interface. Thanks for a great video
If I am going to use a mixer like the Behringer x32 rack or the Allen and Heath CG-20b for monitor mixing, do I still need a splitter to send the signal to the FOH or is the splitter optional? I am thinking of buying the Behringer Ultralink MS8000 but I don't know if it is 100 essential, what do you recommend???
Okay, we can have band members use their phones to make adjustments to their own mixes. It looks like if they all (or most) had iPads, they’d work too! I ask cuz a lotta players are also using “For Score” for reading charts, so they already have the iPad onstage and hooked to their mic stand, so why not?
Thanks in advance if anyone can answer, If I were to play from Studio One with backing tracks and clicks. how can I set so me and bandmates can hear from our IEMs?
You can either use an audio interface with enough outputs to connect to the mixer via XLR or 1/4”, or you could do it with USB as well and set the inputs to USB 👍
I'm so glad you did this video. I've been looking at building a live pa/iem rig for a future project, and size has been a huge consideration. I felt like I knew that the Presonus rack mixers was the right way to go for the brain, but after seeing this I know for sure it is the right way to go! Another great video
After having used it for a while can you compare this one to the Behringer X32? I bought one of these for home but I am building a in ear rig and I want to know which is actually better for my use case
Hello and thank you for this video. I have few questions - and first: what about pan for each mix? Can i setup different panning for main output (L/R), for stereo iem 1, stereo iem 2 and more... For example. I want listen guitar only in left side. Vocal want listen guitar in right side. In room (main outputs) we want listen guitar at center. Is this possible? Second question: if we take presonus 32r and Behringer x32r for band iem rack - what your choice? And why? Thank you so much! And good luck!
Wicked as usual. The band just ordered a 16.0.2 USB, the singer wanted the physical controls but I was wanting to go this route. Now I feel like we should have gone this route as I got to use the QMix software on the last show. I wish I had known about the wheel of me, that's great! By the way cheers from Florida! I moved down here from Canada for music 🤘 Considering doing the backing tracks thing and starting to practice and record tracks for my own one man show... seems I figured out the singing and playing thing so now it's a matter of accelerating beyond. Gotta go back and watch some of your videos I haven't yet as well as likely rewatch all the iPad related ones so I can get the backing tracks playing a full set as intended. If a cover band can get $800-1000 for a show split 5 ways, a solo artist can get $350-500 by themselves. That sounds like the difference between a struggle to wrangle a herd to a proper career by putting some work in and relying on your own skills. Then you can easily add back in some artists as you need just like you do, it's perfect, really
Could this be used to add an additional 6 In ears to my current setup. I have a qu16 and using all the aux send but want to add more musicians to my worship team? Can I use this to add more people? I would obviously need a splitter to split the signal from my current snake and add the 6 extra people on this mixer with a separate app to the rest of the team
Hey Scott love your channel. I'm looking to build an in ear rig. Do you happen to know if the Network Audio out is compatible to run into the Midas DN4816-O digital snake split? May be a far stretch but thought if we can route it out of the presonus pre-gain unlike xr18 where you can only go post gain. Then this would be the ultimate set up. Run out of the presonus into the midas digital snake pre-gain. That way I can have a snale tail.in my case to give to the FOH engineer. Or go the other way as well. If they hand me a tail I just go into the front of the presonus. Flexible no matter how they have their stage set up.
@@BloodlineMetalfromGermany I like it. Worth every penny. I also have the behringer xr16 and there is a sonic difference. You do have to get an external router since the built it one is subpar. The app works well and is easy to navigate.
Scott, I just purchased a Behringer xr18. Can you EQ the monitor mixes separately from FOH? It appears PreSonus 16 does have a separate EQ for the monitors. Damn, I wish I knew before I bought the xr18. Is there any way I can EQ the monitor mix separately on the xr18? I tried running the monitor mixes pre EQ and that's better than post EQ but still not good enough. Is there any advice you can give me?
I’m not sure how that works. I think it has to be Presonus, but it depends. Behringer needs Ultranet I believe which is specific to Behringer and Midas
Thanks for the tutorial. I want one to replace my older Soundcraft Ui16 rack mixer. I would like to get the 32, but even the 16 will be an expansion of inputs for me.
I am having a hard time getting the presonus 16r to connect/be recognized by Stage Traxx 3. I purchased the Lightning to MIDI Cable USB OTG Type B Cable you suggested. And I have set all the inputs to usb on the presonus. But when I plug in the cable to the iPad it doesn't seem to do anything or recognize it. I am usually very good at these things, but there is so little on the internet at all about getting this mixer to work with stage traxx 3. Do you have any insight into what I may be missing or overlooking? Thanks for you time.
@@ScottUhlMusic forgot to take the time to say thank you because you were 100% correct! Was the cable. Given the limited things you could know over a chat that pretty awesome! Thank you again for always taking time to help everyone out! You are the best!
Great video , we have been using this with 2 shure wireless 300 for 4 different mixes for a Four-Piece band we played 30 shows so far with this system without a single issue in our in-ear monitors.
Currently debating between this and the Behringer XR18, Presonus is more expensive but still within budget, any suggestions/features/quality of sound that I should know before I make my decision?
Both are fantastic systems for sure, and both sound great! See if one has any bonus features that you prefer (including portability/size) and then if they are both “equal”, go with the cheaper one. Thats always been my philosophy
While shopping for a mixer that can do my IEM mix and FoH I had this one as a potential. Love the single space rack size. However, it has one weakness that really bothered me which is it cannot record multitrack audio. Only 2 track. That was a deal breaker and in my opinion a large oversight by Presonus. I ended up getting the Allen and Heath CQ-12T which obviously is not a rackmount mixer but can do multitrack recording/IEM mixes and in a nice compact size.
Ah, good to know. And that’s why it’s definitely valuable to see which ones have which features you need. When people ask “which one is best” there really is no right or wrong answer. Just “which one do you need”?
f you compare the 16R to the Midas MR18, it seems that the Midas has more to offer? It has 4 effect processors. Midas is 3 rack spaces but it’s so shallow, that you can put it behind stuff, or get a shallow rack. You can use the Midas DN4816 for splitting to FOH, instead of 2 ART splitter boxes if desired. So it probably becomes a toss up on size? Also you can have a rack for everything but the MR18 mixer. Then put the mixer in a separate bag.
Scott, your video is the only truly instructional info I can find to support the software. The manual is sparse and the tutorials on the Presonus site are not helpful for learning the software. The software is not at all intuitive either. If you know of some helpful videos about the UC control software I would appreciate your sharing links to them.
I guess if you need 5 musicians to have click in only one ear you are going to need the 32 channel mixer. I did notice in your example, if the keyboard player needs click in only one ear he can just pull one of the faders down ? Or does he have to assigne the click channel to one of the aux's I see no pan knobs?
@@ScottUhlMusic Thanks for the reply Scott, I really enjoyed your demonstration of this product. It looks to be superior to the X-air 18 and the pricing seems to be pretty close.
We want to use this for our in-ears. Right now, we use the xr18 for FOH. Can I plug the xr18 via ultranet into the Midas DN4816 and then go from the Midas 4816 to the Studio live via ultranet without having to use xlr cables? Or is that crazy talk?
The 32 has a midi input which I need for my talkback system, that’s the only thing that I see different from the Presonus. But you just cannot beat the portability of it, and if I need one for a fly rig I’ll be using the Presonus 🤘
Offline editing? You mean without the router? You should be able to connect to it manually using this adapter too: ruclips.net/video/CtI4UaroUAU/видео.htmlsi=l-stVWlLo17yz-JR but it needs the app
@@ScottUhlMusic no I mean creating and editing a show file, naming channels etc away from the physical desk using in the case of the x32, the X32 edit software. When I last used a presonus, it wasn’t possible
Yeah sorry this is for a wired IEM system. Cant afford the wireless just yet haha. Also would you recommend a stage box as well so you can keep cables tidy on stage before running to the mixer? Thank you for your videos too dude!!
Only the simplified musician monitor mixing app (q mix uc) , not the full sound guy app (UC surface), which you can use on a computer, a tablet, but not on a phone
Great run thru, Thanks heaps. Running an XR18 for now but if it died it would be a tough decision. The XR18 might be 3RU high, but super shallow. heaps of options for running stuff in the rear of your rack with it. No such luxury with the 16/24R. Plus the P16M option for your drummer with the XR18. I think the XR18 wins for now but only just.
Fantastic video. I’ve been using the 16 R for over a year now, and it is really pretty great. I have never had success with the phone app modifying mixes, however. Also given I am running front of house sound as well, I tend to want to have the house mix which means that I don’t get to increase my own as much as I would like. Other band members also want to know what it sounds like out front, so we have all been sharing the same essentially. Do you have any tips for running sound while also monitoring yourself?
Thanks man! And yeah that’s always tricky when one of the band members (me in one band or my singer in another band) has to run sound. Not really, just have everything set well and properly balanced and make sure everyone is able to add the proper amount of boost for a solo. Nothing beats having a dedicated sound guy though
Hey Scott, this is the 2nd time I’ve seen you mention using a multichannel interface (beyond a class-compliant stereo pair) with your iPad. Just got be clear: is your iPad an iPad Pro with USB-c compatibility and/or with an M-series OS such that ASIO drivers can be loaded, or are you able to get multichannel through a Lightning iOS connector without special drivers? I ask, because I have an XR18, and have not been able to have that recognized by my iPad. Thanks in advance
I have an iPad mini with a USB C port. I cannot remember which model it is specifically, but it works with my old iPad as well. I haven’t had an issue with it. Maybe try switching the cable
The new Allen & Heath CQ-20B is about half the size of the Presonus. It weighs under 5 lbs and is only 4" deep. So, despite taking up 3U, I was able to build a 4U flight case that fits as an airline carryon. The Presonus needs a 17" depth rack, so is, much bigger in practical terms.
quit copying me... LOL! I just got the studiolive 16r back in Feb. for the very same reason that its a 1u mixer... I'll be honest I like the interface of the soundcraft 24r over the presonus but the weight savings is very attractive for smaller shows, where I don't need all the power of the soundcraft...
Danke! Hi Scott, Presonus have made good efforts to explain their StudioLive Series III universe, but your video was exactly what I needed! I have been using my 16R for three years now but never was sure if I used it correctly. Your lesson made everything clear from a power user point of view. Thank you for this!
I’m just a podcaster and have about six guests in studio at a time. Is this something that would suffice for that type of live streaming video? Seems so but I’m confused on the Router connection because my laptop is connected to that already.
I bought a used 32R and man we have all our wireless slx (3 mics 4 body packs) two antenna combiners for that, IN total we are using about 17-18 channels and have plenty if another band wants to show up and connect to ours to make things faster, we also have 4 PSM 300, 2 running stereo, 2 mono and open channels just in case someone shows up and may need it, plus the IEM combiner, a power supply, a network snake couplet for drums by RAT sounds and a self built I/O strip for USB, Network and extra channel and 4 Aux ports (we still have 6 more ports if needed!) for accessibility all in a SKB 8U shock rack. We can record straight from the mixer and dump it into any software of your choice, we use Pro Tools and Studio One. We have had no issues with our wireless and IEM becasue we place our paddles correctly and still no issues, and best of all it's been awesome to roll into a club, venue, gig and just ask for two channels from the house mixer and we handle everything. We have tried a lot of mixers and I love our MIDAS digital but man this has been a game changer and love it.
Scott, have you ever had a time when the software and iPad wouldn't work together? I always think that I should get a mixer like Allen and Heath that includes a screen. But that creates a larger rack.
only if you want to connect it to other mixers. It works as a standalone mixer, but we also sometimes use it as a stage box and connect it with an AVB cable to our console version for our FOH mixer
I've been considering a 2nd mixer setup, potentially rack-mounted with IEM systems all integrated into a single rack, but more compact than my current X32 Rack setup. I'm still trying to find a used XR18 as I loved the stagebox format, but the integrated rack format is also appealing. Dangit, looks like a little bit of analysis paralysis on this one unless I find a deal that wings me one way or another!
That software looks great, but did you have any issues with app stability? And do you know if Mixing Station is going to add support? I've had so few problems with the XAIR, but I'd also love to open 2u so I have an excuse to get more gear!
The app was quite solid! And no, it doesn’t work for Mixing Station unfortunately it looks like. But the software was really great and a lot better than other ones I’ve tried
I've been watching oodles of your stuff and helping a band put together a tracks rig and an IEM rig. the track rig is more or less set, with 9 channels sending (awkward), but only just starting on the IEM. I've played a lot of gigs when the world was all wedge as far as the eye can see, and sometimes when I try to imagine these rigs I have a hard time imagining setting it up in all but a few situations. Like festivals where changeover can be quite quick and the techs dont love you ripping out their snake inputs and swapping them over, or situations where they have multiple snake drops, and, and, and. Since you've been gigging this way for so long, I wondered if you'd consider making a video talking about different ways you've accommodated various challenges and types of shows/venues you've had to adapt to. Are there any times where you've had just abandon the iem rig? or the track rig? or both? As an example, right now I've got my ableton tracks session setup to send as 9 or as stereo left and right for situations where there's an input shortage. But that feels like one adaptation among many I may need. Anyway, thanks for reading! sorry for the essay.
Thanks for following the channel! And sometimes they say no IEM rig, and we have to push back a little. It just depends. Just make sure you email them ahead of time and communicate on what needs to happen for your band. The long changeover can be really tough with an IEM rack, so make sure everyone knows how to help. It’s extremely stressful to be the only guy who knows how to setup the rack and everyone asking you for help
I’m not really a “versus” kind of guy really. I like reviewing products and letting people decide which applies to them personally. But I would love to try that one too!
Another great review Scott!! In one of your next videos, can you please review Studio One and show us how you can route and control the channels (backing tracks/stems) inputs through UC Surface software?
This is so much better and compact! Crazy that the 2u space 32 channel unit can do the same and possibly a little bit more than my X32 rack + expansion that takes up 5u of space. I would totally switch my 7 piece band to it now if I didn’t want to go through the nightmare of taking multiple practices to dial in everybody’s ear mixes from scratch 😂
Well! It looks like we have a new front runner for a digital mixer. Scott. I really appreciate you directing me to the Xr12, but If I'm gonna do this for the gigs I DO need a mixer I think this one is leaps and bounds better than the behringer one, and only a few bucks more. Cheers man. Love your gear reviews.
Thanks! And headphones into your phone? Im not sure I understand, but usually the headphone out is to listen to one of the outputs (usually the main out, but can be configured otherwise)
I put a system together with the 24R and splitters a few years ago. When you can walk into a gig and tell the house guy "don't worry about monitors", they get a big smile on their face.
Yup! And it’s SO much easier to dial in your IEMs when each musician has their control over it. It works so well!
Do you bring your own drum mics? Or unplug the hours mics and plug into your setup?
@@dylanjastle we supply all of the sound sources. My current band (@HairMetalGiants) uses electronic drums. Also, we have a silent stage (no amps, everything direct). The lead vocalist is wireless, and the rest of us have wired vocal mics. In a previous band where we used a split, we did have acoustic drums and the drummer used his own mics. The thing was, he had better mics than most of the venues did. Plus, his mics clipped on the drums and the kick had a Kelly SHU mounting system. The only stands were for high hat and overheads.
TRUE :D
These might be silly questions but: Are your splitter/s rack mounted? Also with the inputs for the PreSonus being on the front, do you have to repatch its inputs for every show, as having it permanently patched might not fit within a rack?
Scott this video is EXACTLY what we needed! Seriously couldn’t have come at a better time. Our singer has actually reached out to you before with a few questions about this and we really appreciate it. We were trying to figure out how to run stereo to our sennheiser iem’s and this video perfectly and quickly explained something that we were confused on. You even mentioned our exact setup! The mixer, two iem systems, a splitter and conditioner, and wired for drums. Many thanks Scott🙏💯👌
Nice! Glad it was helpful for you guys 🤘🤘
Scott, you are a great instructor! Your playing experience greatly helps make your information practical and applicable! You speak musician to musicians! Thank you!
Thank you 🙏
Wow! Very well designed mixer. So will this replace your Behringer xr18/32? Thanks for this in-depth review, Scott!
It’s extremely well designed. I haven’t decided yet overall. I have been telling one of the groups I work with that I have a fly rig now, so if we need a travel mixer, this will 100% be the one. There is no way for me to fly with my current mixer 🤘
If you compare the 16R to the Midas MR18, it seems that the Midas has more to offer?
Midas is 3 rack spaces but it’s so shallow, that you can put it behind stuff, or get a shallow rack.
You can use the Midas DN4816 for FOH, instead of 2 ART splitter boxes. So it probably becomes a toss up on size?
Also you can have a rack for everything but the MR18 mixer.
Then put the mixer in a separate bag. 🧐
@@AllenMarkelI kinda am in the same mindset. Although I currently have the Behringer XR18, I don’t see anything this offers above it other than being 1u (and I’m sure someone will say “and not being a Behringer”, but folks just can’t help themselves I guess). I’ve had no issues with the Behringer, and if I’m only using it for IEM then I’m not as concerned about preamp quality as I would be if it were my FOH rig. Any upgrade in preamps will be nullified by the IEM compander anyway. The front-facing XLR outputs of the XR18 are alone enough for it to be preferable for my use. For the record, I use a Presonus Quantum interface with Studio One, so I’m not anti-Presonus by any means.
@@stevesheroan4131 I see the benefits in the 24 and 32 channel mixers but not in the 16 channel format. My gripe is the depth of the unit. I have the Midas version, so I doubt the Presonus version is any better.I copied and pasted this comment to put as a comment so it doesn't get lost as a reply.
The xr18 is way better than the 16R in so many ways (that are not discussed in this video)...
One amazing thing that I have figured out with the Presonus gear is when you record back to individual channels in a DAW like logic, and you do that pre-fader. Later you can configure logic to output those recordings back through the original channels on the mixer. You’ll have to set all of the inputs to digital, but then it will playback as if the entire band is playing. It’s a great way to do sound check in a new space.
If you record into Capture and save the file with mixer channel settings. When you open the Capture file in Studio One all of the mixer channels settings, ie EQ, Comp, Gate & Lim loads into Studio One alone with effects.
@@byronsanto in practice I’ve found this to be a little buggy, and twice I’ve found myself with some kind of feedback loop that was too hard to diagnose at a gig. So I switched to logic, which I found to be easier to understand and troubleshoot.
@@bscheirman I’ve been using Capture since 2012 with 1000’s of hours of live gig recordings. I actually record every gig I do which is every weekend. I’ve never had any issues but I did setup my MAC to be an audio recording computer.
@@byronsanto it’s probably user error 😅
@@byronsanto Quick question: If you open some stems (tracks) onto Studio One, and you route those channels to StudioLive 16 or 24R (rack mixer) and play those stems, can you control the stems through Universal Control's StudioLive16R or 24R software faders? And apply FAT Channel to them?
We use the 16R in my band. One thing you didn't mention is that it's actually a 19 channel mixer. In addition to the 16 standard channels, there's a digital return channel that we use for tracks, and a talkback channel.
They don't have physical inputs on the rack, but my band doesn't use all the physical inputs anyway since we have click and cues routed digitally to channels 5 & 6. I routed input 5 to the talkback channel so the FoH engineer can talk directly into our ears if needed.
Oh nice! That’s a great feature 🤘🤘
I’ve never really understood what digital return means here. Don’t you have to route usb tracks to an input?
I bought an Allen And Heath QuPac a years ago, and I do really like it. But I wished I'd kept looking and found the Presonus 32R. All of my gripes with the QuPac are non existent with it. Namely Auxes are fixed mono or stereo, it's only a 32 channel with an audio expander (which is almost the cost of the mixer itself at the time of purchase) plus other a few other things, which aren't deal breakers but yeah... wished I'd kept looking.
I have a QSC TouchMix 16 and have seriously looked at these. Presonus is located here in Baton Rouge. Their service department is fantastic!
we actually switched from that QSC to the Presonus. Presonus sounds better and can be connected by AVB cable to a console which is awesome!
Great video, Scott! It must have taken hours to edit this one. That's a LOT of work. Thanks dude! Hm, these mixers just might replace my XR18.
Thanks man! The editing did take quite a while on this one, but I’m glad it turned out great 🤘🤘
This is the best system I've seen so far. Exactly what we need in our band. Very thorough walkthrough of the setup. Awesome video man. Thanks
Thank you! Glad it was helpful 🤘
Been using this for about a year now as an IEM mixer, still learning new things about it thanks to your video!
Awesome! Glad to hear that 🤘🤘
Great video. Best review and tutorial of the Presonus unit and control S/W I’ve seen.
My band uses the 32R in a lightweight rack with a pelicase air. We are touring the whole world with this setup, this is perfect!
Nice!! Glad it’s working well for you 🤘
What lightweight rack are you using, if I could ask? And which pelicase air? I’d like to try that if you could help me with some info.
This is hands down, the best tutorial I've seen on the Presonus rack series. Thank you!
Thank you!
So here’s a newb question. I’ve been looking to move to a digital mixer (xr18 or this) for my bluegrass band. Additionally I’m going to do some tracking with a 3 piece band in the next few months. Is there some fundamental difference in style/quality of the pre-amps between Behringer and Presonus?
The 3u rack space is obviously nice but not a deal breaker for me.
At the end of the day I guess I’m shopping for an audio interface as well as live mixer for our humble needs (less than 5 channels)
Eh, there are always people who say one sounds better than the other. I think both sound great!
I have the 32r because they had a good deal on sweetwater at the time. It is by far the best investment for my band I've ever made
Nice!! 🤘🤘
I just got my 32R back from warranty repair. It had cold start issues from not enough voltage reaching the PCB.
If I could give this video 2 LIKES I would. 'Just watched it for the third time since Scott posted it from start to finish because it is a great breakdown of this Presonus digital mixer and a great overview of digital mixing in general. Just FANTASTIC.
OH yeah - 👍👍😎.
Thanks James! 🤘🤘
When my Soundcraft ui16 gives up, this is my next mixer.
Will the audio network output of the Presonus Studiolive 16R connect to the ultranet input of a MIDAS DN4816-O?
@@jorgea.riverav no it won’t
Thanks for this. I own the 16R and it hasn't landed a place as my IEM daily driver yet for three reasons. 1) When using splitters it is a common use case to squeeze another set of outs from a unit by using the main outputs as an IEM output. It is difficult to do this on the 16R because adjusting the main outputs does not alter the output of the headphone output on the 16R. So in this use case the person using mains for IEM output would need to be in physical reach of the headphone knob on the front of the unit to adjust overall volume 2) It really is a deep rack unit ... it is small in height but is really long ... you mentioned this in the vid but it really is a thing to be aware of. I also thought it was quite heavy but checking the stats its is lighter than some of its competitors so perhaps I need a lighter rack. 3) As an IEM + FoH mixer it is missing some of the mod cons, like anti-feedback ... not an issue if it is used for IEM only, but go back to point #1 if you're using it for just IEMs. Couple of misc points ... I've also seen user based functionality on other units, it's not just a Presonus thing. I love that each of the front ins is a combo unit ... I wish more did that. But TRS outs (as opposed to XLRs) is annoying and requires adaptors, but they are not the only guys doing that. And the 32R unit looks really interesting with all those aux outs because some can be reallocated to subs and by doing this you can almost get it to auto mix in the manner that Rat from RHCP describes ... I think I wish I bought that unit :) Thanks again.
Thanks for commenting! All fair points for sure and hopefully it helps people decide if it fits for them or not 🤘🤘
Hey Scott, how would you rate the Allen & Heath CQ-20B or the CQ-18T for this very same purpose :)
I haven’t used it personally but I’ve heard good things 👍
For my solo show using tracks would this be a better investment than the Track Rig?
You could go USB into the mixer and then the mixer would be doing more than the track rig, so I would say yes 👍
Thank you!!... I just got my Presonus 16R.....how do you connect a Samsung tablet directly and not by wifi router to the 16R? I saw you were doing it in one of your videos but I couldn't find it.
I haven’t done it with the PreSonus yet, but I believe this works with it: ruclips.net/video/CtI4UaroUAU/видео.htmlsi=0-W1MFE26pnv7Qez
THANK YOU for your fabulous videos! SEARCHING for help! Do you have a video and/or recommendation: to expand our XR18 based IEM racked, portable console, which we split to FOH w Snake? (we want additional channels for the hybrid drum set and multiple backing vocalists) Examples, replace Xr18 with Presonus 32R or XR32? Can we add an XR-12 & connect to the XR18 in our rack? THANKS!!!
Thanks! Glad you like the video. And for doing a split with the X32 or XR18, I’ve found this to be the easiest: ruclips.net/video/vhKOkp4Ives/видео.htmlsi=BMHP53v3UYy5nHwk
@@ScottUhlMusic Thanks a TON!
I own a bunch of Presonus equipment. This was the best tutorial on the app I have ever watched. Presonus should have it on their tutorial list on their website. I would love to see a similar video on in ear setup on their studio one recording software with the quantum interface. Thanks for a great video
Thank you! I appreciate that 🤘🤘
If I am going to use a mixer like the Behringer x32 rack or the Allen and Heath CG-20b for monitor mixing, do I still need a splitter to send the signal to the FOH or is the splitter optional? I am thinking of buying the Behringer Ultralink MS8000 but I don't know if it is 100 essential, what do you recommend???
I answer questions about splitters in this video:
ruclips.net/video/E8DIBUAZvP8/видео.htmlsi=TS4tGCDixDxXb8lj
@@ScottUhlMusic thank u , u are the boss
Okay, we can have band members use their phones to make adjustments to their own mixes. It looks like if they all (or most) had iPads, they’d work too! I ask cuz a lotta players are also using “For Score” for reading charts, so they already have the iPad onstage and hooked to their mic stand, so why not?
Yup, you can use the phone or tablet 🤘
Thanks in advance if anyone can answer,
If I were to play from Studio One with backing tracks and clicks. how can I set so me and bandmates can hear from our IEMs?
You can either use an audio interface with enough outputs to connect to the mixer via XLR or 1/4”, or you could do it with USB as well and set the inputs to USB 👍
Can the gatesection also be used as a "ducker" to turn off the ambient mic while the band is playing e.g.?
I’m not sure, most mixers like this have some sort of ducking settings, so my guess would be yes.
What do you think about the FXs? I've got the Studiolive 24.4.2 and they are not very good. Thank you!
I like them! I don’t use a whole lot beyond reverb live
I'm so glad you did this video. I've been looking at building a live pa/iem rig for a future project, and size has been a huge consideration. I felt like I knew that the Presonus rack mixers was the right way to go for the brain, but after seeing this I know for sure it is the right way to go! Another great video
Nice! Glad to hear that!
After having used it for a while can you compare this one to the Behringer X32?
I bought one of these for home but I am building a in ear rig and I want to know which is actually better for my use case
They both are great!
Hello and thank you for this video. I have few questions - and first: what about pan for each mix?
Can i setup different panning for main output (L/R), for stereo iem 1, stereo iem 2 and more...
For example. I want listen guitar only in left side. Vocal want listen guitar in right side. In room (main outputs) we want listen guitar at center. Is this possible?
Second question: if we take presonus 32r and Behringer x32r for band iem rack - what your choice? And why?
Thank you so much! And good luck!
Yes you can do panning on either the main channels or the IEM channels 👍 and both of those are excellent choices. Can’t go wrong with either of them
32R has more available I/O's right away compared to the x32 rack, otherwise the 32 rack is way better for most things
Wicked as usual. The band just ordered a 16.0.2 USB, the singer wanted the physical controls but I was wanting to go this route. Now I feel like we should have gone this route as I got to use the QMix software on the last show. I wish I had known about the wheel of me, that's great! By the way cheers from Florida! I moved down here from Canada for music 🤘
Considering doing the backing tracks thing and starting to practice and record tracks for my own one man show... seems I figured out the singing and playing thing so now it's a matter of accelerating beyond. Gotta go back and watch some of your videos I haven't yet as well as likely rewatch all the iPad related ones so I can get the backing tracks playing a full set as intended.
If a cover band can get $800-1000 for a show split 5 ways, a solo artist can get $350-500 by themselves. That sounds like the difference between a struggle to wrangle a herd to a proper career by putting some work in and relying on your own skills. Then you can easily add back in some artists as you need just like you do, it's perfect, really
Thanks, I bought this unit and used this guide to set it up. It's running perfectly! You're the best Scott!
Awesome! Thank you for the super thanks and glad you’ve been enjoying this system 🤘🤘
Hi, qmix- uc all these functions work on 32.4.2ai Please let me know
I don’t know tbh
What App should my bandmates use to access the mix from their iphone?
I go over that in the video 👍
Any idea why my inputs are getting plenty of signal but the main level (to the very right of the mix screen) is getting barely any juice?
Hmm interesting. I’m not sure, unless your faders are way down or your gain isn’t set right.
The 16R has 6 outputs for IEMs, are they stereo or mono? My band has 5 guys
You need 2 outputs for every stereo monitor mix. 6 outputs = 6 mono or 3 stereo mixes
Great walk through. Can you tell me where the record button is on the UC surface app, to record live shows? I have the formatted SD card.
I didn’t look too much into the SD card tbh, but the manual should have info on that 🤘
Im looking for a new live main mixer, i have a small bar band and some small partys.. would it be posible to use it as the main mixer?
Yup 👍
Is it possible to have a virtual soundcheck and multitrack recording?
That I’m not sure of
Can it be used with Yamaha TF5 using Dante?
I don’t believe so, but I could be wrong
Could this be used to add an additional 6 In ears to my current setup. I have a qu16 and using all the aux send but want to add more musicians to my worship team? Can I use this to add more people? I would obviously need a splitter to split the signal from my current snake and add the 6 extra people on this mixer with a separate app to the rest of the team
That I don’t know, I would reach out to Presonus and ask for the best way to do that 👍
I made the mistake of changing the access code, and forgetting what I set it to!😂 I had to factory reset it to get back in.
hahahaha, that's always a possibility too!
Another stupid question…How did you connect your iPad for your backing tracks in USB port?
Use the usb C (or lighting depending on your iPad) to USB B cable 🤘
@@ScottUhlMusic thanks!
Hey Scott love your channel.
I'm looking to build an in ear rig. Do you happen to know if the Network Audio out is compatible to run into the Midas DN4816-O digital snake split? May be a far stretch but thought if we can route it out of the presonus pre-gain unlike xr18 where you can only go post gain. Then this would be the ultimate set up. Run out of the presonus into the midas digital snake pre-gain.
That way I can have a snale tail.in my case to give to the FOH engineer. Or go the other way as well. If they hand me a tail I just go into the front of the presonus.
Flexible no matter how they have their stage set up.
@@rudygunnthatsme thanks! And that Midas snake split only works with Midas and Behringer products unfortunately
@@ScottUhlMusicsong that would have been absolutely perfect
Hi Scott, Will these work with Waves SuperRack Performer over USB for using plugins with it?
I’m not sure, this was my first time using Presonus stuff
@@ScottUhlMusic Thanks. Chat GPT said it will. That would be cool. Any idea why all the Presonus haters on certain threads?
I currently have a Midas MR18, but I have been eyeing this mixer. Great info as always.
Thank you 🙏
I've had the 16r and Midas. The MR18 is better and costs less.
Hi! What do you think about the Midas MR18? How is the connection and functionality with the app?
@@BloodlineMetalfromGermany I like it. Worth every penny. I also have the behringer xr16 and there is a sonic difference. You do have to get an external router since the built it one is subpar. The app works well and is easy to navigate.
@@rubenarce4980 ok thanks for your reply!
Do you think the difference in sound/clarity between the Xr16 and MR18 is huge?
Are the Jack outputs for your in ear systems better than XLR’s is it the same quality?
They will be the same quality. Just make sure they are balanced, especially for long cable runs
Scott, I just purchased a Behringer xr18. Can you EQ the monitor mixes separately from FOH? It appears PreSonus 16 does have a separate EQ for the monitors. Damn, I wish I knew before I bought the xr18. Is there any way I can EQ the monitor mix separately on the xr18? I tried running the monitor mixes pre EQ and that's better than post EQ but still not good enough. Is there any advice you can give me?
Both systems have a way to set an EQ on an aux channel/mix bus. Thats actually pretty common on most digital mixers 👍
Your xr18 can do more than the 16R for the most part. Just learn to use your xr18
Could you send the cat5 output to a behringer FOH board? Or does it have to be presonus?
I’m not sure how that works. I think it has to be Presonus, but it depends. Behringer needs Ultranet I believe which is specific to Behringer and Midas
Thanks for the tutorial. I want one to replace my older Soundcraft Ui16 rack mixer. I would like to get the 32, but even the 16 will be an expansion of inputs for me.
I am having a hard time getting the presonus 16r to connect/be recognized by Stage Traxx 3. I purchased the Lightning to MIDI Cable USB OTG Type B Cable you suggested. And I have set all the inputs to usb on the presonus. But when I plug in the cable to the iPad it doesn't seem to do anything or recognize it.
I am usually very good at these things, but there is so little on the internet at all about getting this mixer to work with stage traxx 3. Do you have any insight into what I may be missing or overlooking?
Thanks for you time.
Interesting… I would try changing cables to see if that fixes it. That’s the best spot to start
@@ScottUhlMusic Thanks again for always taking time to respond and answer tough questions. You are the man!
@@ScottUhlMusic forgot to take the time to say thank you because you were 100% correct! Was the cable. Given the limited things you could know over a chat that pretty awesome! Thank you again for always taking time to help everyone out! You are the best!
Hey have you ever tried the AVB Ethercon feature? Is it expandable to more i/o? Thanks
I didn't try that with this system yet, but I'm interested in trying it!
@@ScottUhlMusic Just read the _StudioLive_Series_III_AVB_Networking_Guide_EN and youll be blown and how much you can expand this thing!!!
Great video , we have been using this with 2 shure wireless 300 for 4 different mixes for a Four-Piece band we played 30 shows so far with this system without a single issue in our in-ear monitors.
Currently debating between this and the Behringer XR18, Presonus is more expensive but still within budget, any suggestions/features/quality of sound that I should know before I make my decision?
Both are fantastic systems for sure, and both sound great! See if one has any bonus features that you prefer (including portability/size) and then if they are both “equal”, go with the cheaper one. Thats always been my philosophy
@@ScottUhlMusic thanks for the reply Scott your content is amazing
So XR18 is way better than the 16R in so many ways... Especially if you also do foh, use it for different bands, etc
Scott,do you still use your track rig when using this? I assume no.
You wouldn’t need to since it has USB in, but I still have my track rig handy just in case I need longer cable runs
But with only two transmitters you can only have two aux outputs for two musicians in order to use the individual Aux mix. Am i right?
Not if you use that stereo to mono trick I mention in the video 👍
@@ScottUhlMusic ah yes if we choose to go with mono mixes. Thanks!
Is the GEQ available on the aux outs also? Have a 16.0.2 USB and the GEQ is available only on the main out
Hmmm I’ll have to look into that! Good question.
Yes
While shopping for a mixer that can do my IEM mix and FoH I had this one as a potential. Love the single space rack size. However, it has one weakness that really bothered me which is it cannot record multitrack audio. Only 2 track. That was a deal breaker and in my opinion a large oversight by Presonus. I ended up getting the Allen and Heath CQ-12T which obviously is not a rackmount mixer but can do multitrack recording/IEM mixes and in a nice compact size.
Ah, good to know. And that’s why it’s definitely valuable to see which ones have which features you need. When people ask “which one is best” there really is no right or wrong answer. Just “which one do you need”?
I would NEVER buy anything from presonus. Total shite products. At least buy behringer.
Disagree. PreSonus makes great stuff
@@ScottUhlMusic disagree all you want. The internet is FULL of people complaining about their stuff.
The 16R is good for a band with set-and-forget monitor settings. Otherwise it is a PITA to work with.
I got surprised by you talking about this mixer!!!! Im just devating between presonus and CQ 20 HH.
hey Scott, could you show us how to do a firmware update on this mixer? Preferably via the ipad if possible
I haven’t done one actually so I’m not sure. I need to look into that
gotcha thanks!
f you compare the 16R to the Midas MR18, it seems that the Midas has more to offer? It has 4 effect processors.
Midas is 3 rack spaces but it’s so shallow, that you can put it behind stuff, or get a shallow rack.
You can use the Midas DN4816 for splitting to FOH, instead of 2 ART splitter boxes if desired. So it probably becomes a toss up on size?
Also you can have a rack for everything but the MR18 mixer.
Then put the mixer in a separate bag.
All of these are good things to consider for sure 👍 Make the decision for what works best for your band. Both are great choices 🤘🤘
@@ScottUhlMusic Enjoy your Videos! Thank You!
MR18 over 16R any day !
What is brand of router you used for that mixer?
You can use any router for it 👍
Does it all work with PC, Android and Tablet ? ...For people who don't do iMac, iPhone & iPad.
Yes
Uc surface doesn't work on Android phones. Major bummer
Scott, your video is the only truly instructional info I can find to support the software. The manual is sparse and the tutorials on the Presonus site are not helpful for learning the software. The software is not at all intuitive either. If you know of some helpful videos about the UC control software I would appreciate your sharing links to them.
Thanks! And yeah haven’t seen any other videos really detailing the software as well, so I wanted to at least have a starting guide 🤘
@@ScottUhlMusic PreSonus should pay you to do an in depth tutorial on the UC Surface and the Qmix apps. Seriously.
I guess if you need 5 musicians to have click in only one ear you are going to need the 32 channel mixer. I did notice in your example, if the keyboard player needs click in only one ear he can just pull one of the faders down ? Or does he have to assigne the click channel to one of the aux's I see no pan knobs?
Click in one ear? Mono does not mean just one ear. A stereo bus can pan left or right. Mono just gets sound in both ears with no panning
@@ScottUhlMusic Thanks for the reply Scott, I really enjoyed your demonstration of this product. It looks to be superior to the X-air 18 and the pricing seems to be pretty close.
We want to use this for our in-ears. Right now, we use the xr18 for FOH. Can I plug the xr18 via ultranet into the Midas DN4816 and then go from the Midas 4816 to the Studio live via ultranet without having to use xlr cables? Or is that crazy talk?
That’s crazy talk for sure, sorry. You can use either unit for in ears and FOH, just have to get the right splitter
@@ScottUhlMusic can't I use the DN4816 as the splitter?
@@AndyGeroldMusic for the behringer and Midas mixers, yes 👍
Ok, I understand. Thank you. When I hook the DN4816 via ultranet to the XR18, are the outputs pre or post processing? (Eq, compression)
What would you use the Behring X32 or the Sonus? Which app do you feel is easier to use ?
The 32 has a midi input which I need for my talkback system, that’s the only thing that I see different from the Presonus. But you just cannot beat the portability of it, and if I need one for a fly rig I’ll be using the Presonus 🤘
X32 way better ! Way more features, way better software, etc
Does the Midas 4816-0 splitter work with the presonus mixers?
No, that one only works with Behringer and Midas products
Thanks Scott!
anyone have tested this mixer vs behringer xr18? im thinking on selling my xr and get this 16R beauty
They are both fantastic options 🤘
Keep your xr 18
Could you show how to multitrack record using an sd card and iPad also please?
Does Presonus still not allow offline editing on the app? This was one of the reasons I moved from an old 32R AI to an X32 rack.
Offline editing? You mean without the router? You should be able to connect to it manually using this adapter too: ruclips.net/video/CtI4UaroUAU/видео.htmlsi=l-stVWlLo17yz-JR but it needs the app
@@ScottUhlMusic no I mean creating and editing a show file, naming channels etc away from the physical desk using in the case of the x32, the X32 edit software. When I last used a presonus, it wasn’t possible
it is not possible sadly. you need to have the presonus fired up to do anything
Offline software still not available, and no plans for it it seems. Huge PITA.
This is like the best tutorial on this mixer. Had it for a while but there are some features I've seen until today.
Would you need a headphone amp with this? Also I was looking at the Mackie DL16s. Can this give me the same thing, or better?
A headphone amp? Like for a wired IEM system? You can use that or standard wireless in ear monitors. Both work great 🤘
Yeah sorry this is for a wired IEM system. Cant afford the wireless just yet haha. Also would you recommend a stage box as well so you can keep cables tidy on stage before running to the mixer? Thank you for your videos too dude!!
Yeah, a stage box is definitely helpful!
ia this compatible for android mobile phones?
The app works on android as well 👍
Only the simplified musician monitor mixing app (q mix uc) , not the full sound guy app (UC surface), which you can use on a computer, a tablet, but not on a phone
Great run thru, Thanks heaps. Running an XR18 for now but if it died it would be a tough decision. The XR18 might be 3RU high, but super shallow. heaps of options for running stuff in the rear of your rack with it. No such luxury with the 16/24R. Plus the P16M option for your drummer with the XR18. I think the XR18 wins for now but only just.
The shallowness of the 3u mixer is definitely something to consider, that is true. Both are great options 👍
Fantastic video. I’ve been using the 16 R for over a year now, and it is really pretty great. I have never had success with the phone app modifying mixes, however. Also given I am running front of house sound as well, I tend to want to have the house mix which means that I don’t get to increase my own as much as I would like. Other band members also want to know what it sounds like out front, so we have all been sharing the same essentially. Do you have any tips for running sound while also monitoring yourself?
Thanks man! And yeah that’s always tricky when one of the band members (me in one band or my singer in another band) has to run sound. Not really, just have everything set well and properly balanced and make sure everyone is able to add the proper amount of boost for a solo. Nothing beats having a dedicated sound guy though
This is an awesome machine. I’ll definitely recommend this to my client 😎
Hey Scott, this is the 2nd time I’ve seen you mention using a multichannel interface (beyond a class-compliant stereo pair) with your iPad. Just got be clear: is your iPad an iPad Pro with USB-c compatibility and/or with an M-series OS such that ASIO drivers can be loaded, or are you able to get multichannel through a Lightning iOS connector without special drivers? I ask, because I have an XR18, and have not been able to have that recognized by my iPad. Thanks in advance
I have an iPad mini with a USB C port. I cannot remember which model it is specifically, but it works with my old iPad as well. I haven’t had an issue with it. Maybe try switching the cable
The new Allen & Heath CQ-20B is about half the size of the Presonus. It weighs under 5 lbs and is only 4" deep. So, despite taking up 3U, I was able to build a 4U flight case that fits as an airline carryon. The Presonus needs a 17" depth rack, so is, much bigger in practical terms.
I guess more shallow has its benefit too. But still, 1U rack of the Presonus is incredibly compact. You can get away with a 13” rack depth with it
Great vid but what if I only wanted FX on one aux mix and not the main or another aux mix
Fx are a bit tricky on sending to an IEM mix, because you have to have it going to FOH first… at least that’s with my experience with it
Just adjust your FX return levels accordingly
quit copying me... LOL! I just got the studiolive 16r back in Feb. for the very same reason that its a 1u mixer... I'll be honest I like the interface of the soundcraft 24r over the presonus but the weight savings is very attractive for smaller shows, where I don't need all the power of the soundcraft...
Yup, even missing a few “features” you can’t beat how compact it is
Danke! Hi Scott, Presonus have made good efforts to explain their StudioLive Series III universe, but your video was exactly what I needed! I have been using my 16R for three years now but never was sure if I used it correctly. Your lesson made everything clear from a power user point of view. Thank you for this!
Thank you kindly! I appreciate that, and I’m glad you found it so helpful 🤘🤘
I’m just a podcaster and have about six guests in studio at a time. Is this something that would suffice for that type of live streaming video? Seems so but I’m confused on the Router connection because my laptop is connected to that already.
For a podcast I’m not sure. I feel like you could find something a little easier for that purpose
I bought a used 32R and man we have all our wireless slx (3 mics 4 body packs) two antenna combiners for that, IN total we are using about 17-18 channels and have plenty if another band wants to show up and connect to ours to make things faster, we also have 4 PSM 300, 2 running stereo, 2 mono and open channels just in case someone shows up and may need it, plus the IEM combiner, a power supply, a network snake couplet for drums by RAT sounds and a self built I/O strip for USB, Network and extra channel and 4 Aux ports (we still have 6 more ports if needed!) for accessibility all in a SKB 8U shock rack. We can record straight from the mixer and dump it into any software of your choice, we use Pro Tools and Studio One. We have had no issues with our wireless and IEM becasue we place our paddles correctly and still no issues, and best of all it's been awesome to roll into a club, venue, gig and just ask for two channels from the house mixer and we handle everything. We have tried a lot of mixers and I love our MIDAS digital but man this has been a game changer and love it.
Nice man!! That’s a super clean setup 🤘🤘
Scott, have you ever had a time when the software and iPad wouldn't work together? I always think that I should get a mixer like Allen and Heath that includes a screen. But that creates a larger rack.
Only if the router dies. But if that happens, I have this as a backup: ruclips.net/video/CtI4UaroUAU/видео.htmlsi=ULS4Iomo4p9mFa8f
Doesn't it need an AVB network set of qualified equipment?
What do you mean? There are more features with it that I didn’t go over in this video. But what I went over will get you started with your IEM setup 👍
only if you want to connect it to other mixers. It works as a standalone mixer, but we also sometimes use it as a stage box and connect it with an AVB cable to our console version for our FOH mixer
Would you be able to connect this to a Midas DN4816-O (via a Cat5/ethernet cable) to provide a split send to FOH?
No, that product only works with Behringer and Midas mixers 👍
I've been considering a 2nd mixer setup, potentially rack-mounted with IEM systems all integrated into a single rack, but more compact than my current X32 Rack setup. I'm still trying to find a used XR18 as I loved the stagebox format, but the integrated rack format is also appealing. Dangit, looks like a little bit of analysis paralysis on this one unless I find a deal that wings me one way or another!
Hahaha analysis paralysis is a real thing with gear! I go through it all the time myself
That software looks great, but did you have any issues with app stability? And do you know if Mixing Station is going to add support? I've had so few problems with the XAIR, but I'd also love to open 2u so I have an excuse to get more gear!
The app was quite solid! And no, it doesn’t work for Mixing Station unfortunately it looks like. But the software was really great and a lot better than other ones I’ve tried
I've been watching oodles of your stuff and helping a band put together a tracks rig and an IEM rig. the track rig is more or less set, with 9 channels sending (awkward), but only just starting on the IEM. I've played a lot of gigs when the world was all wedge as far as the eye can see, and sometimes when I try to imagine these rigs I have a hard time imagining setting it up in all but a few situations. Like festivals where changeover can be quite quick and the techs dont love you ripping out their snake inputs and swapping them over, or situations where they have multiple snake drops, and, and, and. Since you've been gigging this way for so long, I wondered if you'd consider making a video talking about different ways you've accommodated various challenges and types of shows/venues you've had to adapt to. Are there any times where you've had just abandon the iem rig? or the track rig? or both? As an example, right now I've got my ableton tracks session setup to send as 9 or as stereo left and right for situations where there's an input shortage. But that feels like one adaptation among many I may need. Anyway, thanks for reading! sorry for the essay.
Thanks for following the channel! And sometimes they say no IEM rig, and we have to push back a little. It just depends. Just make sure you email them ahead of time and communicate on what needs to happen for your band. The long changeover can be really tough with an IEM rack, so make sure everyone knows how to help. It’s extremely stressful to be the only guy who knows how to setup the rack and everyone asking you for help
Can u make a vs between CQ20 and this one please
I’m not really a “versus” kind of guy really. I like reviewing products and letting people decide which applies to them personally. But I would love to try that one too!
@@ScottUhlMusic ok i will wait that video to :)
I have the 16R, 32R mixers, and 32SC desk mixer.
Another great review Scott!! In one of your next videos, can you please review Studio One and show us how you can route and control the channels (backing tracks/stems) inputs through UC Surface software?
Thanks! I appreciate it. I haven’t checked out Studio One but I’ve heard good things about it 🤘
This is so much better and compact! Crazy that the 2u space 32 channel unit can do the same and possibly a little bit more than my X32 rack + expansion that takes up 5u of space. I would totally switch my 7 piece band to it now if I didn’t want to go through the nightmare of taking multiple practices to dial in everybody’s ear mixes from scratch 😂
Haha yeah man it’s wild! For large bands especially it’s insanely valuable
Well! It looks like we have a new front runner for a digital mixer. Scott. I really appreciate you directing me to the Xr12, but If I'm gonna do this for the gigs I DO need a mixer I think this one is leaps and bounds better than the behringer one, and only a few bucks more. Cheers man. Love your gear reviews.
Nice! Glad it helped you make a decision!
This was a cool video ! So you would plug your headphones into your phone?
Thanks! And headphones into your phone? Im not sure I understand, but usually the headphone out is to listen to one of the outputs (usually the main out, but can be configured otherwise)
@@ScottUhlMusic for the iem mixes that you’d create. Would you plug into your phone to hear them or would we need an interface or something