POP PUNK TIER LIST vol 2
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Pop-punk tier list part 2 is here! Where do pop-punk bands like Good Charlotte, Guttermouth, Rufio, Knuckle Puck, State Champs, Lagwagon, Strung Out, Alkaline Trio, Simple Plan, New Found Glory, All Time Low and Goldfinger land on the tier list??
PART 1: • POP PUNK TIER LIST
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Yeahhh! Got me hooked! Offspring. Don't think you put them into pt 1. I can't think of any other pop pink bands lol
Ya'll think Finn caressed his Goldfinger vinyls after this while whispering "I'm sorry I had to lie about you again"
I think that
Yes
Finn has been a Goldfinger Stan since Tony Hawk Pro Skater 1
Simple Plan deserves S Tier for the What's New Scooby Doo theme alone
Umm.. MxPx did a Scooby-Doo theme song for the old movie. That doesn't automatically warrant an S tier.
@@reptar5124 I don't know man, it's preeeeetty rad. Definitely was a stepping stone for me as a kid getting into pop punk
@@CastleChris92 but once you award S tiers to lesser bands its like giving a perfect 10 figure skating or dunk contest score. So what happens when something better comes you have nowhere to go. Sum 41 was like their bigger Canadian brother and they existed in the same time with them, Greenday, Blink 182 and Good Charlotte so Finns A tier seems pretty reasonable. Lagwagon and Millencolin got me into that scene but both are C Tier-ish bands. Personal significance doesn't hold much water in the grandiose sceme of things.
@@reptar5124 Or.. Or.... It goes S tier because it's a rad song for a cool kids cartoon.
I'm Justst a Kid appeared on a LOT of movies... Honestly they were huge, and all the lyrics represented my angst teenage perfectly, they were like what I used to listen to when I was angry or... I don't know, with any kind of teenager problem :V
As someone who counts Alkaline Trio as one of their favorite bands, I can confirm that everything Finn says about their fans is true. Myself absolutely included.
I’m also a fan but for a long time I was really their only fan around my area so I had no idea. Since I have definitely met some who are a bit over the top about it
“This is absolutely awful” - Finn McKinty
THPS Stans everywhere who are in their late 30s and Early 40s start Vibrating.
THPS?
@@jasonlovesmusicreacting882 Tony Hawks Pro Skater
Yeah I was shaking my head. How dare he not share the same feeling of nostalgia as me, lol
Lol I just laughed and said "damnit, ok Finn". It's not great but it is catchy haha still gives me a smile every time I hear it because nostalgia of course haha.
I love that superman song
NFG was sick because they always had breakdowns in their songs. The one in “Understatement” is a classic!
Facts understatement is the best
@@ohalistair hell yes! Such an under appreciated song from that era
NFGs still sick
I saw them in concert. It was awesome.
Worth mentioning, the guitarist was the vocalist in Shai Hulud, so they had a lot of connection with the hardcore/metalcore scene at the time.
Gutter mouth would probably like that they are f tier
FUCK TIER BRUH
😂 very true.
The timing of that “wHHERS YOAR rehs-PEEEKKT” after Finn’s line about shouty lyrics about a girl was absolutely phenomenal. S Tier
NFG is to me one of the the most influential of the genre, up there with Blink and Green Day as truly molding the sounds going forward. I would say that easycore is the template for a lot of pop punk over the last 15 years for sure, and NFG definitely started that trend.
Absolutely nfg and blink will always be my top more so the older stuff because honestly i dont listen to any blink albums past neighborhoods
@@Richlucch Same here about Blink. There are a couple good songs on those Skiba albums but as a whole they are pretty bland feeling overall, bit of a bummer to see Blink so low
I would say NFG is definitely a big influencer for easy core but also pop punk and I would say they definitely got kids into post hardcore too. I’m not the biggest NFG fan I mean I am a fan but I like need to listen to them like I do my favorite bands if that makes sense but what’s weird for me is I consider them to have the best musical style I love the super pop punk vocals, with the Heavier guitar tones, some metal influenced guitar riffs that’s 100% what I love that’s the kinda music I liked to create don’t get me wrong I love screaming and break downs but in my own band I just want a great singer and guitars that sound too heavy.
Guttermouth is the greatest example of “Is so bad that it's good”
That’s absolutely what I love about them. And even better that nobody in the band thinks that they’re even bad lol
State Champs are like the hometown heroes in Albany, NY where I'm from. So cool to watch them grow from a local pop punk band to what they've become.
Hell yea from Stillwater but live in South Carolina now
People who forgot about Lagwagon seriously need to go listen to their newest stuff. They changed their style to a heavier tone but it's still so good. They stayed as consistent as any band possibly could, and I dont think they get the credit for it. If you haven't heard Hang, you need to listen to it. Possibly their best album
I've always found Alkaline Trio fans to be super chill. Back in the days of internet band forums everyone on theirs was super nice (relatively), and the shows I went to had positive energy (most starkly contrasted with Brand New fans who are fng a$$holes online and irl). I don't have a Trio tat, but I want one, is that a red flag? 😂
Rufio's final album "Anybody Out There" is a hidden gem, it's substantially better than their albums that came before it. Had I never stumbled upon that album I'd rank them very low, but it's a game changer for the band. It's worth giving a shot and redeems the hell out of 'em.
oooh I forgot about Rufio. They were great!!!
Rufio? Never heard of em
@@linainverse9369sthu then lol
Alkaline Trio is my favored of all these bands. I'm a sad fuck up, too. No tats, though.
I have an alkaline trio tattoo and can confirm that I’m a sad fuck up.
@Shaun McKee you’re not a real fan then!!!! Hahaha. Jk jk
love alkaline trio. goddammit is s tier
Alkaline Trio is S Tear
As much as I love Ska I don't think I would ever be able love it as much as Finn does
That's my biggest issue with ska, a lot of the bands clearly know how to write a decent song, they just have terrible taste and decide to make it a ska song.
Well said
@@diydylana3151 I’m not really a ska fan outside 5 or so songs but I feel like most of it’s hate is just because it’s happy. There’s definitely a not insignificant group of rock fans that hate anything that’s isn’t depressing or angry af
Mannnnnn, lol. Mustard Plug, Less Than Jake, Five Iron Frenzy, Spitvalves, and Catch 22 were fucking awesome.
Rufio was massive locally (Southern California) and I think that the fact that didn’t sound like slow boring pop punk that was out at the time AND the fact that they were extremely proficient at their instruments was what made them such a big deal.
Listening then, I was stoked on it. Now I can’t even get through a single song.
They played Grad Bash (a thing they did at Universal Studios Orlando for central Florida high schools) my senior year in 05 alongside Taking Back Sunday. They looked so stoked that me and all my friends were singing along, I assume they expected no one to know who they were. We all lost it when they played "Above Me"
I’m from South America and we listened to these guys. Finn is just salty for some reason. I still listen to them.
@@Leo4gzs I remember back in the day when RUclips was first getting popular basically every Rufio comment section was just teeming with South Americans and I loved it. Almost made them feel like a foreign band lol
I feel like nowadays NFG's legacy gets forgotten. They were Easycore before Easycore exists.
And the amount of bands that named themselves after NFG songs or lyrics like All Time Low and The Story So Far is ridiculous.
Awesome band.
NFG is top tier, no question
Nfg are on the pop punk Mount Rushmore
Dude they still sell out sold out show's . Just saw them with less then jake . In boston an they fucking tore the place to the ground . Fun full of energy pop feel with hardcore rhythm . Mosh pits where intense . One of the best bands to see. also saw them 2 years ago with real friends . NFG is the lone survivors of the big Pop punk bands with the exception of bink. But man if you got a Good Charlotte , Simple Plan and New Gound Glory tour to happen . The world would explode .
@@percyhutchins5421 that would be such an incredible tour for folks in their 30s (me)
@@TheRealOTK I agree every person mid 30s pushing 40 would be in heaven. It's so weird listing to simple plan now cause there a pretty juvenile band but it brings u back . There new single antidote is so good. I was sad when they pulled out the pop punks not dead tour with NFG cause of covid. N GC first 2 albums are masterpieces. I miss my youth.
I've Seen Quite A Few Finn McKenty Videos Over The Years, But He Just Classed Alkaline Trio As A "Pop Punk" Band And Claimed Their Fans Are "Sad Fuck-Ups" And That Having Alkaline Trio Tattoos Are A "Red Flag" And To "Proceed With Caution".
I Feel Personally Attacked And It's Now An All-Out War That Only One Of Us Realises Exists.
(I Love You Really Finn)
Yeah…..but it’s true tho. I have a heart-skull on my leg and can confirm I’m a sad fuck up 😂😂😂
That’s…a lot of fucking caps!
Soooo I'm a huge red flag 😂
@@LeatherneckJedi My Typing Is A Compulsion For Order Courtesy Of Autism.
@@R-Dub241 I Have Multiple Tattooed On Me, And Being Called Out So Directly Isn’t Cool!
Silverstein, Canadian, and very influential as they were on Victory Records. But 100% not a Pop punk band
Have to agree with you on New Found Glory self titled though solid album.
God i never realized how much Goldfinger reminded me of The Mighy Bosstones
Mighty bosstones we’re so good
@@maciejnowak666 yes they did. I still sing it weekly. The only man I wanna see naked.
@@chuckjamesnorris5928 Still good. Where did you go makes me dance soo much
I almost lost my shit when drip wasn't included as a judging axis.
I think its crazy how Billy Talent didn't made that much of an impact in the USA, cause here in Europe (i'm from Germany) they were pretty big, many people got introduced to heavier music by them over here
Agreed, they had a number of big charting songs over here in New Zealand and are pretty well known to average rock fans (not even people who are into punk necessarily). Its a surprise to me finding that they weren't the universally successful band I thought they were
We loved Billy Talent in Florida
Simple Plan's intro song to "What's New Scooby Doo?" probably got tons of kids into pop punk tbh.
The respect for New Found Glory is real. Well done Finn.
Oh man I did like Rufio back in the day, I met them and they signed my CD lol. Love Strung Out. Love Goldfinger. NFG obviously at the top forever and ever.
Strung Out sounds like the inspiration behind Heartsounds. Anyone ever listen to Heartsounds? Big time underrated.
Whatever happened to them? Drifter was a solid album!
Geez, I think Lagwagon should be higher than that. While I've never considered their songwriting on par with some others from that era, they belong to a very small minority of punk bands to release that much material without putting out a truely weak album.. Off the top of my head about the only other band with a more consistent catalogue would be Good Riddance. To be nearing double digit albums without a single bad one is almost unheard of for any band, but especialy in the punk world.
I saw gutternouth open for authority zero a few years ago and they were so fun, hands down one of the best shows I’ve seen. Rowdy crowd, Mark was such a dick but a funny way. They’re definitely one of my favs
Lagwagon should move up. Had legacy members from Rich Kids on LSD. Their influence counts.
Simple Plan and Good Charlotte got me through high school! I kinda fell off with Good Charlotte but Simple Plan is the band that can put everything I feel into their songs. They get me way more than most people do.
I’d put Simple Plan in the S Tier simply (heh) because their song “I’m Just A Kid” has been used by a bajillion people for their “glow up” TikToks.
Where would you put Bad Religion since they influenced all of these bands
American huge fan of Billy Talent here. Extremely underrated and talented band. Their first album in particular is forever gold.
Billy talent was heat. Straight fire
@@kevincollins8620 *they still are lol
I never really delved into their catalog but "try honesty" was on many high school mix cd's in the early 00s in Florida. That song still rips!
@@TheRealOTK I was in Florida at the time. Remember this vividly
Man they were massive while I was growing up in Canada. They were a staple of the hockey dressing room.
The sweat band on the forearm is a guitar playing thing. When you're heavy down stroking and palm muting, your forearm rests on the guitar and can get aggrivated...hence, the arm band.
So why did people only do it from like 2001-2004?
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA it hasn't stopped, just the ridiculous looking ones have. Look at James Hetfield, he's still wearing arm bands and that dude is a downpicking machine.
Lagwagon!!!!!!!!!🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃
Simple Plan released a new album in 2022, and it's really good. I was surprised, because bands usually fall way off after 20 years. I saw New Found Glory live in August 2022, and they put on an amazing show. What I liked most is that they didn't pause between songs like a lot of bands do. They were just non-stop. They played 18 songs in an hour and 15 minutes, which included a 7-10 minute break in the middle where Chad Gilbert told the audience about his battle with a rare cancer (Pheochromacytoma) in 2021. They even played a cover of "Let It Go" from Frozen. lol BTW, NFG has a new acoustic album that just dropped a couple of days ago, which appears to contain some new songs plus some classics.
Man those first 2 or 3 NFG albums were totally awesome. Very nostalgic stuff
For sure. Magical
My favorite album is "Not Without A Fight"
All Time Low is my favorite band of all time.
I always hear you say uve never heard any artists say they were influenced by them BUT 5SOS has multiple times.
They are amazing live.
You missed Neck Deep, Sum 41, Wonder Years, TSSF, Cartel, All American Rejects, The Starting Line.
Neck Deep was in part 1
Green 182
You know they're S tier when no justification other than "they've sold a zillion albums" is needed. Come on, man, if you're going to force us to listen to multiple Goldfinger songs give us at least one Good Charlotte
Agreed. He shoulda gave you seasons. Lol.
As a dual citizen of the US and Canada who’s lived in both countries extensively, I find Billy Talent to be a really fascinating band. They’re one of those bands that is definitively Canadian. They’re kind of a secret band that all Canadians are aware/fans of but basically no one else in the world listens to. Basically like an alternative rock Tragically Hip.
I really like this video, but 2 points I’d like to make, gold finger is not a ska band, but rather a punk ska band, there is a big difference. Also, I don’t consider Alkaline Trio as sad and mopey, actually they have a very energetic sound, and sad, and have one of the best drummers in pop punk I’ve ever heard. This video should also have a part 3, would like to see that!
Putting Lagwagon in C tier is fraudulent
I never knew John Feldmann was a singer for such a…. Bad/mediocre band. The dude is an absolute God legend of a producer
Goldfinger isn't that bad, you just don't like ska-punk. If you do, they are very solid.
@@guipontes7526 true, but if you compare his legacy to Goldfinger, there’s (I believe) a noticeable and almost objective disparity
Hes a terrible producer
Honestly, I don't like ska punk, but I think Goldfinger okay.
God legend of a producer?!? Wow…
Lagwagon needs to be A
You finally said something that disappointed me. How are you going to put Simple Plan above Lagwagon? And alk 3? SMH. Was about to unsubscribe then I realized it's your channel and I can always make my own tier list.... anyways. It's cool that you don't like mopey music but not necessary to give 15 to 25 year old me that lecture you give when you feel you have to. I digress. But seriously Lagwagon does not belong under simple plan. Thanks dude. Love your videos. (Usually)
Think you should do a alexisonfire video. Even if they weren’t huge in the states they were literally everywhere else
I see NFG every time they come to town and they kill it every time. S-tier. No doubt.
Lagwagon's star has fallen? WTF? Obviously has not heard 'Hang' - their best album. 2014.
You're going to have to do parts 4, 5, 6, & 7 at this rate and I'm here for it.
Looks at my Alk3 tattoo* damn Finn. That shit hurted… 🤣
But it’s true. I have one. Truth hurts, man. 😂
He ignored the last 4 albums and goes straight for FHTI..:P No wonder he says they're sad boy punk..
Im sad but i work in a corporate job so i wouldn't consider myself a fuck up
I think lagwagon should be higher, I dont think they're quite as good as blink-182 or green day but to me they're probably as good as nofx or no use for a name
I have an Alkaline Trio tattoo and I agree with everything you had to say about Alkaline Trio fans.
Same. I don't know many other fans but those I encountered I wouldn't wanna meet in the real world.
Same. I have an alkaline trio tattoo too and I’m a pathetic mess on the inside. 😂😂😂
@@R-Dub241 mostly because you've talked about your alkaline trio tattoo over 3 times in this comment section🤫
Billy Talent is among the best live performers ever. Saw them 5 times in ATL GA area between 2003-06. Huge crowds by 2005 and everyone into it. They are a Top-10 all-time for me. 20+ years strong.
I feel personally attacked by your alk 3 comments hahaha. Love your videos though man.
I'm a Rufio fan and it's totally not E tier LMAO
I've never heard of Knucle Puck, sounds cool
Guttermouth is a treasure, they fucking suck and I love it.
bad take after bad take
simple plan needs S tier and Knuckle Puck B tier at minimum for how good their shit is. Finn showing no love for emo lol
Simple Plan actually have more monthly listeners then Good Charlotte on Spotify; nearly 7m vs. 4.5ish.
God I love May 16th from Lagwagon
You forgot to mention how Goldfinger has a entire album with Travis Barker called The Knife in 2017 & that is the best Goldfinger album imo & for those who are not into the SKA music there's some in there to check out that isn't SKA or some that are but isn't over the top worth a listen for those who haven't
Guttermouth being anti-vax is actually super super spot on haha.
If being “anti-vax” in reality means “I don’t want to be a gineapig for a new and highly experimental treatment medical treatment that was barely tested, barely works, and doesn’t stop transmission all in order to make billions off the pain and suffering of the population then I’ll respect their point of view. I mean it’s not like half of the FDA’s funding is from pharma companies and they’re completely bought out and corrupt and also said that OxyContin and other opioids weren’t dangerous or addictive and should be prescribed to anyone at anytime, they definitely can be trusted and never lie about anything
Hey Finn,
I can’t speak to every reason why pop punk artists wore wristbands, buts here’s why I did in the later years of playing with Home Grown. I sweat..a lot..when playing live. The wristband would help keep the sweat off the strings and pickups, as well a quick swipe on the forehead ‘cuz the salt would sting your eyes and be incredibly frustrating when you played in poorly ACed venues or down south on Warped Tour.
And speaking of Warped Tour, I remember all the bands sharing T-shirts with one another because..well we ran out of clean shirts..but then eventually all those free shirts you got from your friends started to stink..bad. Solution, cut out the sides of the shirt (kept the BO off the armpit, and let the hot southern breeze blow on through).
My experience anyhow. Love your work.
Rufio…wow. Kills me we live in a world where they go F and Good Charlotte go top tier 😳
Ikr
I always saw Alkaline Trio fans as the type who liked Blink's sound, but hated Blink because they where so popular. Which that attitude is typically a red flag. However, I know a lot of pretty normal people who really enjoy their music, myself included, its the ones who put them way up on a pedestal who are a bit off. I really do appreciate the dark sense of humor they write into songs.
I like Blink. I like the Cure, Sisters of Mercy, Joy Division. Therefore, I like Alkaline Trio. It's not a hard equation, lol.
Used to be a much cringier person, but now, I just think of alkaline trio as blink 182 going through a crazy Edgar Allen Poe phase.... at least up through agony and irony. Still very much a fan, Dan will always be one of my favorite rock bassists
Alkaline Trio are like the Exodus of Pop Punk. The fan base is smaller but more tightknit and punishing. I do enjoy them as well as Blink. I quite like the darker vibe they have going on. Matt Skiba is like a better version of Mark Hoppus.
Overall, Pop Punk in general gets alot of hate and love. Even some haters secretly like Pop Punk.
FIRST
I'm pretty new to Finn's channel and I'm loving it but I don't think I can allow him saying Goldfinger doesn't deserve the same tier as GOOD CHARLOTTE (who just like Finn said about MXPX and Sum41, were a group that the fans were looked at as posers for listening to), but I'm glad he mentioned Strung Out cuz they are a great band thanks to their harder edge sound. However, Finn when you do Part 3 you forgot some very significant bands so I've mapped it out for you, LOL-
Good Riddance
Frenzal Rhomb
The Ataris
The Bouncing Souls
Unwritten Law
Sugarcult
Fall Out Boy
No Use for a Name
Me First & the Gimme Gimmes
AFI
Yellowcard
All American Rejects
Saves the Day (kinda)
Suicide Machines
and then for legendary pop/skate punk you left out Bad Religion and The Offspring
NFG S tier. Knuckle Puck D tier. One man’s “down bad nerd from the suburbs that wishes he had a girlfriend” is another man’s INCEL. Same shit, different era. ;)
Lagwagon put out a record in 2019, and it FUCKING RIPS!
Agreed
I dont think you understand what punk is. All this stuff is horrible.
I remember hearing that one member of guttermouth had his own RUclips channel where he basically just breaks into old abandoned houses and buildings to see what was inside. I never looked into it but it sounds like it could be cool
Totally! Sique! Fist bump! Fer sher dude!
Strung Out is awesome. I got to see them recently with Descendants and NOFX, great show, super fun.
No punishing 😘
I know I'll get hate and I'm being a punisher here, but the guitar work in Rufio is fuckin rad. Clark and Scott kill it. Jon Berry is a bad ass bassist. Saw these dudes sprint past each other, flip back to back and rebound off walls all without missing a note. Such a good time. Just throwing that personal experience out there. Had a huge impact on me personally.
Older Blink was fast so I don't see the issue with Rufio. Most early Pop Punk was still in that Skate Punk era.
Strung Out, Knuckle Puck, and State Champs are 3 of my favorite bands of all time.
Fact: If you can cover Rufio's stuff from their first two albums (both on guitars and drums), you can easily transition into thrash/death metal.
TRUTH. and kids who did easily learn the stuff. Did. I know of a few.
I’m trying so hard to not be a Rufio punisher… fuck it!! Rufio A tier!!!
Can you do a video on AK3? They are having a moment right now.
Finn McKinney is the absolute best Metal/Rock reactor/reviewer on RUclips ! Frfr. Keep up the awesome work. One Love Bruv ♥️🎵💜☯️🖤💯💯💯♠️
I went to high school with Rufio and I will say they were all nice guys.
Do a punishier band tier list!
finn how could you say these things about guttermouth
Finn please do guitar tier list, I want to learn more about dad guitars.
I went to a Reverend Horton Heat show and Guttermouth was the opener. Somehow Mark (lead singer) got thrown out of the show. 1000% agree with everything you said about them
I love when Finn imitates each singer. Unbelievably hilarious! Good job, Finn.
Wow Finn talking about Guttermouth is making me belly laugh. Hilariously accurate, they really are just trash but that's why we love them. I'm so glad he gets it.
Fuck, after Knuckle Puck being on the D tier, I'm afraid of where the Wonder Years ends up at. The lyrics and singing, and the fact that they are iconic (even Halsey lists them as an influence in an interview on Apple Music ahead of her album Manic) means they should be at least A tier. You want to call them SadBoi, but they transcend that... I'd love to see Hot Mulligan on the list.
Hearing that also made me nervous on his thoughts on Youth Fountain.
When are you going to make a video about Rise Against?
How about Unwritten Law?
LAgwagon that low?? even didnt belong here
include The Ataris next time :)
Strung Out's Exile Into Oblivion is a MONSTER album. I feel ya on the punisher vibes; they are definitely one of the bands that inspired me to do a little woodshedding on the guitar, but they have put out some amazing work.
That being said, everything after Blackhawks Over Los Angeles has been pretty phoned in.
Probably my favorite band of all time- they have such a huge volume of some songs but the first I've heard about the fan base... can't disagree with Blackhawks and beyond but still impressed with their energy, especially after 30 years.
I remember being a moderate fan for the first two records (Another Day In Paradise and Suburban Teenage Wasteland Blues), and then being floored by Twisted By Design when it came out. And then that EP after that, Element of Sonic Defiance… that was a game changer for me. Those two records just felt so ahead of what other “similar” bands were doing at the time. The next few records were excellent as well, but those are the two that have stuck with me through the years
simple plan also has a kick ass kids show song, whats new scooby doo
Guttermouth talked shit on metal but they made Corpse Rotting In Hell. A joke song that somehow slays.
Oh yeah I know what you're talking about. Isn't it the song where you hear dogs barking?
Gold finger has more nostalgia for me than any other band. Love them!!
Stop Eric. They don't need a Spokesman ;)
I loved Lagwagon in the early 2000s. I got to see them with Rufio and Yellowcard opening. They were definitely an 'older folks' pop-punk band. They wrote a lot of songs about becoming adults that were pretty poignant but sort of lost on younger kids. No Use For a Name was another great example of this.
Haven't thought about no use for a name in over a decade, gonna check them out again
I’m 18 and I love that type of skate punk lol.
im shocked you didn't mention No use for a name