I for one , am glad your back . I've been watching your older videos again , lol I've been testing different loads on crow hunting but i haven't tried the tungsten shot yet . Thank you for that interesting test 👍💯
Great idea mixing the shot and testing that way. Never know what you'll in the way of ammo these days, but if I do run across any TSS again I won't shy away from them anymore. Thanks, and God bless.
I use a .410 only for around the house pest control for frequent unwanted dangerous and destructive pests such as rattlesnakes and varmints. Hard to find .410 shells nowadays and when I do it’s rarely larger than #6 shot. That’s not as effective as I’d like on the larger critters. Given I only use a couple of handfuls of shells a year the cost of these is not that prohibitive and that performance is impressive. Might have to try them out. Nice test! Glad to see you back!
Great video. I just made a social post about shooting Turkey's with a 410 using Federal TSS and a Carlson's TSS choke then I hopped on the computer and this is the first video I saw! Keep up the great work!
I think the 410 is highly underrated. It’s really an enjoyable round to shoot, and I’ve got excellent results with buck shot and with slug shooting even out of something like a bond arms Derringer. I’m able to hit target at 50 yards of the bond arms Derringer in a one fifth ounce slug. They do have some stout recoil out of a small gun like that, but it’s a viable round. But 410 is not really the best for doing sporting clays or trapshooting though, but I seen you shoot quite a few rounds out of the sky with it. Maybe I just need to practice more :-) another great video Buffalo, thanks for uploading it!
Thank you for doing this! I always wondered what the side by side results would be and it doesn’t get any more side by side then being in the same shell. Keep the good videos coming!
Great video. You gave me a lot to think about. My wife announced a few days ago, that she thinks she'd like to go turkey hunting. She's never shown an interest in hunting, but she sure does love turkey burgers. I was thinking of letter her shoot a 20 gauge 1100, but he stock is long (even for me). BUT, i have my mother's old Stevens .410. harvested my first rabbit and my first squirrel with that shotgun. Wouldn't it be cool if she used it for her first harvest :) History of Mom's .410: Dad bought it for her from her uncle back in the late 60's.
First time watching you. I loved this test. Accurate and true with no bias. Its even more weighted for lead as it doesn't factor in the extra tungsten pellets per size per shot.
So glad you did this. I have a Hoosier buddy at work that ask me questions on 410 shotshells with TSS. Now I can tell him to watch this video. It helped me out too😀.
So glad you and the family are ok! Great to have you back! 🇺🇸 Dude, great video btw! Can't believe how well that .410 did at 20yds, and that shot of the gel from the side looks really cool! Tungsten in very dense - more dense than lead so it probably has a better sectional density on top of being harder. Love the idea of the mixed shot shell you made!
Thanks, Buffalo! 👍 I like that gun! Looks like a serious turkey gun. The pistol grip stock will be a advantage for shooting while in the sitting position. The TSS shells are definitely changing the game. Along with specialized chokes. I hunted turkeys for decades in Texas and would never have considered anything but a 12 ga. (a .410 would have been legal) I always used 1-1/4 oz. of #6 or #4 lead shot in 2-3/4" shells. What people called "Duck and Pheasant" loads. For several years I also used a load using #2 and #6 in the same shell. I can't say that the turkeys I killed with it were any dead-er than the ones I killed with #4 or #6 Within the range that these .410 loads would deliver a good pattern on a turkey-head-sized target, I wouldn't hesitate to use them.
Very interesting. I have shot many turkeys with .410 3" # 4's lead shot but at ranges of 20 to 25 yards. Thanks for the video now I have to wait two more months to hunt the gobble, gobble.
before all the bismuth and tungsten shot, we did a lot of testing with the 410 lead and found our best results with 7-1/2's lead shot. Most 6's would not pattern past 25yds with the fixed full chokes. 7-1/2's filled in the pattern to 30yds without issues on all the guns plus a few more yards on couple of the guns. Several turkeys after that proved 7-1/2's had the energy required at those ranges to kill a turkey. I would not shoot lead 7-1/2's past 35 yards out of a 410 but if your gun holds the pattern to that range it will work just fine.
Very informative video. I have shot a turkey with a TC Contender .410 (10" bbl) with #6 Remington at 16 yards & last spring shot a turkey with a 1930's H&R single shot .410 with the TSS shot at 25 yards. This spring I plan to attempt to take one with the TSS shot out of the TC Contender. Thank you for showing the shot in gel. Good luck this spring.
Yes, I did see that 'mention' on Taofledermaus the other day, funny, in a way, but I was wondering where you went, but I didn't ask, because I had faith in your return :) Interesting load testing there, and yes, I was surprised at the result.
Very interesting test Buffalo. I've wondered about the effectiveness of 410 in the TSS shells. I even thought about getting the Stevens single shot using my Son as an excuse 😁 I think if I can get him out next year we will both use 20 ga. For now I'll stick with my N.E.F. 10ga. Glad all is well and your franken-computer let you edit and upload.
Hey Marc Thomas. 🇺🇲. Pa turkey is coming soon . 20ga will work well for your son . This hole things with 410 ga for turkey is crazy every one is talk about it know.
What an extremely good testing idea. Absolutely no joke: that's some really big brain scientific thinking right there. You get a sub. And dang, yeah I think that turkey is dead and those TSS are no joke, great video!
I'd've thought half and half by weight instead of by pellet count. Wonderful test, though. My frustration is that my 410 is limited to 2 1/2 inch shells. It seems the great hunting loads require a 3 inch chamber. Impressive comparison!
This is very interesting Buffalo. Number nine is what I use in my 44 Mag and I use cut down .410 plastic wads/sabots and it protects the barrel and seems to keep the pattern tighter, I have to find some of that shot. It gets dirty fast so I think the long sleeve is reducing the centrifugal force of the spin by shearing in the rifling. I have also experimented with .433" wads with 100 gr of shot with a 165 gr gas checked lead projectile on top. Coated tungsten shot would be cool. Basically a close range solution to a non-problem, but as a defense round it could be handy as the 165 gr bullet is going around 1100 fps as is the shot from a 2.65" barrel.
I need to give this stuff a try. Been hearing it's praises for awhile now. Wish I could throw a few bucks your way brother, you deserve it, but it's pretty tight around here these days. I bet you've got tons of video ideas on the back burner, but I'd be curious as to what your favorite squirrel rifle is.
Glad to see you back......again 😉 Don’t sweat it my man, the loyals will be here no matter how long you need to do whatever you need to do. Those Frankin-shells are just awesome, and the end result is well, the end for that turkey lol
wb Buffalo! Had some nice short sleeve weather down here in Arkansas the other day too and I took advantage and did some practice! but its gone now back in the icebox! lol! have a good one!
That's definitely a heavy load for a .410. I believe it's JUST shy of 7/8oz. So your 20 yard impact velocities would be close to 30 yard performance on a normal loaded shell as you likely had a lower muzzle velocity on that load. Very good performance. Basically a similar load to federals 3rd degree loads. But without 'flitestopper' pellets. With the #9 tss being lighter than lead #6 per pellet, but performing better all around, it takes the usefulness out of the blend unless you are looking for a slightly wider "in tight" pattern that still carries well out to about 40 yards. I'd be interested to see a load with ±60 flite-stopper #6 pellets backed by 200 #9 TSS. From 15-50 yards. Could be a very useful load as at short ranges the tss holds almost too-tight patterns.
TSS is awesome for the small bore shotguns. I've killed countless ducks and turkeys with 10s out past 50 yards and even a large honker that flew over at about 25 yards while I was upland hunting with 10.5s.
A buddy of mine started using TSS a couple of years back in his 20ga. and he’s says he’ll never go back to Lead shot again. Last year he Hunted most of the season with a .410 and limited out last season with the .410 / TSS Loads. Took 1 Big Tom at 35 yards, Bang / Flop.
Different metals are better then leads, but it also COST more , not sure about other states , but in my area the department of natural resources are aiming to band lead ammo , that’s why ammo companies are trying out different metals and hopefully customers will buy them even if they do cost more .
I am a laymen when it comes to shotguns. I have only just started experimenting with bismuth instead of lead for non-toxic use. Didn't know anyone offered tungsten shot but it makes perfect sense. I would have to wonder if these are safe in older shotguns. Since it is so hard and dense, I wonder if it might damage a barrel.
I don't have any shotguns that I have to worry about it with so I haven't researched it but as a general rule if it's not rated for steel shot then I wouldn't shoot TSS or other types of tungsten shot in it either.
You should try the same size shot of lead as the same size shot of TSS such as number 6 shot for both or number nine for both and shoot them separately there's going to be less resistance on that number should 9 shot versus the number 6 shot because it's a bigger diameter just something to think about. I would not pay that price for TSS because I don't turkey hunting enough and I've already got 20 boxes of turkey loads for my 12-gauge
The point of using TSS is the ability to go down a few shot sizes and still have good pellet per pellet energy levels while improving pattern density and penetration. I would never throw number 9 lead at turkeys due to lack of energy and penetration and number 6 TSS wouldn't offer the pattern density advantages of the smaller shot. So a comparison of lead and TSS in the same size shot would be a useless test for me. Thanks for watchin!
Very good vid, thank you. In Europe we are moving away from Lead shot and are now expected to use nontoxic shot. I would love you to do a vid comparing loads for fox/coyotes with steel vs Lead vs TSS.
Happy to hear you gained some Patreons. Never would have thought of mixing the shot - great idea.
Thanks for your help. I hope one day to not need Patreon anymore, that's my goal anyway, but for now it's a HUGE help.
@@buffalosoutdoors It sure helped me during the "dark days" and kept me motivated
It's the reason I subscribed 👍 Once I have some extra doll hairs to spare I'll be throwing some into the Buffalo hat!
Thank you guys for spreading your patrons around
this was a humbling "why didnt i think of that" moment for me
Great video Buffalo! Your "custom" load really did the trick.
Thanks George! I was surprised it held together that good.
Yeah might just load up another form the real birds
Very cool test! I'm gonna have nightmares about having to clean that out of a gel block now. 😆😆
LOL! I might just trim that first 4 inches and write it off as a loss!
The side shot of the ballistics jell with all the wound tracks was beautiful.
I for one , am glad your back . I've been watching your older videos again , lol
I've been testing different loads on crow hunting but i haven't tried the tungsten shot yet . Thank you for that interesting test 👍💯
So glad you are healthy and making videos again. Bless you my friend :-)
First test I ever saw someone do with a shotgun, thanks for sharing your videos and keep them coming please.
Great idea mixing the shot and testing that way. Never know what you'll in the way of ammo these days, but if I do run across any TSS again I won't shy away from them anymore. Thanks, and God bless.
That’s a great video and unique way to demonstrate that without added variability between shots.
Well done on your video. This is the best comparison of lead to tungsten that I have seen.
I use a .410 only for around the house pest control for frequent unwanted dangerous and destructive pests such as rattlesnakes and varmints. Hard to find .410 shells nowadays and when I do it’s rarely larger than #6 shot. That’s not as effective as I’d like on the larger critters. Given I only use a couple of handfuls of shells a year the cost of these is not that prohibitive and that performance is impressive. Might have to try them out. Nice test! Glad to see you back!
Great video. I just made a social post about shooting Turkey's with a 410 using Federal TSS and a Carlson's TSS choke then I hopped on the computer and this is the first video I saw! Keep up the great work!
That is a terrific test. Pretty impressive depth penetration on the #9 tungsten shot.
I think the 410 is highly underrated. It’s really an enjoyable round to shoot, and I’ve got excellent results with buck shot and with slug shooting even out of something like a bond arms Derringer. I’m able to hit target at 50 yards of the bond arms Derringer in a one fifth ounce slug. They do have some stout recoil out of a small gun like that, but it’s a viable round. But 410 is not really the best for doing sporting clays or trapshooting though, but I seen you shoot quite a few rounds out of the sky with it. Maybe I just need to practice more :-) another great video Buffalo, thanks for uploading it!
I still can't believe that you don't have way more subscribers as your videos are some of the best.
Thanks for that. I am thankful for the ones I do have! I appreciate ya watching and commenting!
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That was a damn great idea putting half of each in a shell. I like it.
Thanks! I figured it would be a good way to level the playing field, so to speak.
Excellent demonstration, thanks. Also glad you are well. God bless and look forward to your next video.
Thank you for doing this! I always wondered what the side by side results would be and it doesn’t get any more side by side then being in the same shell. Keep the good videos coming!
Thanks man! Those little ol number 9 pellets impressed me!
Awesome comparison! Great Job Buffalo!
Thanks! 👍 I've been wanting to do this one for a long time!
Great info - I am new to turkey hunting and appreciate the commentary around TSS vs lead!
Great video. You gave me a lot to think about. My wife announced a few days ago, that she thinks she'd like to go turkey hunting. She's never shown an interest in hunting, but she sure does love turkey burgers. I was thinking of letter her shoot a 20 gauge 1100, but he stock is long (even for me). BUT, i have my mother's old Stevens .410. harvested my first rabbit and my first squirrel with that shotgun. Wouldn't it be cool if she used it for her first harvest :) History of Mom's .410: Dad bought it for her from her uncle back in the late 60's.
First time watching you. I loved this test. Accurate and true with no bias. Its even more weighted for lead as it doesn't factor in the extra tungsten pellets per size per shot.
Thanks for the comment. Glad you enjoyed the test!
Like the mixed loading test, great idea.
Watching your videos is like hanging out with an old friend.
So glad you did this. I have a Hoosier buddy at work that ask me questions on 410 shotshells with TSS. Now I can tell him to watch this video. It helped me out too😀.
It worked! And so did the shots shell! Neat way too look at two shot types.
I've taken dozens of turkeys with bolt action 410, when your aiming for the head its no different than shooting a quail 👍
Good analogy!
So glad you and the family are ok! Great to have you back! 🇺🇸 Dude, great video btw! Can't believe how well that .410 did at 20yds, and that shot of the gel from the side looks really cool! Tungsten in very dense - more dense than lead so it probably has a better sectional density on top of being harder. Love the idea of the mixed shot shell you made!
Glad to be here! Thanks!
Great video Buffalo. Really glad your back to making content. Love your videos.
Very cleaver putting both kinds of shot into one shell for consistency of velocity. Great job.
I enjoy watching your video's. sure am glad you are doing good and back out making more stuff for us to watch.
Always interesting Buffalo. I didn’t think you would have that much contact with the jell block at 20 yards. Ha!! Glad you got your shotgun back.
I had to borrow it...LOL Thanks Paul!
@@buffalosoutdoors Ha!!!!
Nice comparison. Thanks Buffalo.
You're welcome and thank you!
@@buffalosoutdoors congrats on 10 years as well! One of the best channels on RUclips.
Excellent field test comparison, Buff. Happy to see your channel is up and running again.
Great video Buffalo and an even better demonstration of lead vs tungsten shot, it definitely shows what we're paying for when we buy those TSS shells.
Thank you! I didn't know how this would go but that TSS impressed me.
Interesting test and review, thanks. Glad to see you back. Very good idea to mix the shot into one cartridge for the comparison.
Smart idea mixing shot.
Great idea to compare the shot in the same case.
Thanks. I figured that would be the most fair way to do it.
Welcome back Buffalo!
Thanks!
Thanks, Buffalo! 👍 I like that gun! Looks like a serious turkey gun. The pistol grip stock will be a advantage for shooting while in the sitting position.
The TSS shells are definitely changing the game. Along with specialized chokes. I hunted turkeys for decades in Texas and would never have considered anything but a 12 ga. (a .410 would have been legal) I always used 1-1/4 oz. of #6 or #4 lead shot in 2-3/4" shells. What people called "Duck and Pheasant" loads. For several years I also used a load using #2 and #6 in the same shell. I can't say that the turkeys I killed with it were any dead-er than the ones I killed with #4 or #6
Within the range that these .410 loads would deliver a good pattern on a turkey-head-sized target, I wouldn't hesitate to use them.
Very interesting. I have shot many turkeys with .410 3" # 4's lead shot but at ranges of 20 to 25 yards. Thanks for the video now I have to wait two more months to hunt the gobble, gobble.
Awesome job getting in close! It'll be here before we know it!
Thanks for the video and information. The tungsten was good. Good looking 410 and good set up for close turkey hunting.
before all the bismuth and tungsten shot, we did a lot of testing with the 410 lead and found our best results with 7-1/2's lead shot. Most 6's would not pattern past 25yds with the fixed full chokes. 7-1/2's filled in the pattern to 30yds without issues on all the guns plus a few more yards on couple of the guns. Several turkeys after that proved 7-1/2's had the energy required at those ranges to kill a turkey. I would not shoot lead 7-1/2's past 35 yards out of a 410 but if your gun holds the pattern to that range it will work just fine.
Glad to see you are back!
Glad to be here! It's been a rough start to 2022 on the technical side!
Very informative video. I have shot a turkey with a TC Contender .410 (10" bbl) with #6 Remington at 16 yards & last spring shot a turkey with a 1930's H&R single shot .410 with the TSS shot at 25 yards. This spring I plan to attempt to take one with the TSS shot out of the TC Contender. Thank you for showing the shot in gel. Good luck this spring.
Thank you! Good luck to you as well, good to hear from a fellow subguager!
Glad your back brother
06:52 , too funny. Thanks for the great video, demonstration and explanation.
Wow, that's impressive. I woulda never thought those little shot would be that good.
It surprised me too.
Welcome back!!!!!!! I use a duplex load of lead myself. Interesting results. Great taste in music I might add!
Amazing tshirt! Thanks for the quality content, regardless when it comes out!
Welcome back! That was a great and very interesting video.
Thank you! Glad to be back!
Impressive stuff , great idea on the combination shotshell. Glad you're back up and running. 👍👍
Thanks! I figured that was the best way to get the same velocity for both types.
Yes, I did see that 'mention' on Taofledermaus the other day, funny, in a way, but I was wondering where you went, but I didn't ask, because I had faith in your return :)
Interesting load testing there, and yes, I was surprised at the result.
I saw the Toafledermaus video that mentioned your issue. Glad ya got your puter done, welcome back cotter pin. 😁 Thanks for the nuggetss
Very interesting test Buffalo. I've wondered about the effectiveness of 410 in the TSS shells. I even thought about getting the Stevens single shot using my Son as an excuse 😁 I think if I can get him out next year we will both use 20 ga. For now I'll stick with my N.E.F. 10ga. Glad all is well and your franken-computer let you edit and upload.
Hey Marc Thomas. 🇺🇲. Pa turkey is coming soon . 20ga will work well for your son . This hole things with 410 ga for turkey is crazy every one is talk about it know.
Good to know that you are ok......
Good video. Not a turkey hunter, but that was interesting. Thanks for sharing and take care.
What an extremely good testing idea. Absolutely no joke: that's some really big brain scientific thinking right there. You get a sub.
And dang, yeah I think that turkey is dead and those TSS are no joke, great video!
Good video and good test. That should easily be a 30-35 yard setup
Thank you!
Glad your back the 410 seems pretty popular with turkey hunters
I'd've thought half and half by weight instead of by pellet count. Wonderful test, though. My frustration is that my 410 is limited to 2 1/2 inch shells. It seems the great hunting loads require a 3 inch chamber. Impressive comparison!
I love shotgun Ballistics and Carlson's chokes. Thanks, man.
Glad you enjoyed the video!
Great idea Buffalo to hand load both shot in a shell. Interesting results. Oh by the way your Frankenstein computer editor worked! 😀
It sure did! I was skeered it wouldn't! LOL Thanks for watching!
Came over fromTFM. Great channel.
This is very interesting Buffalo. Number nine is what I use in my 44 Mag and I use cut down .410 plastic wads/sabots and it protects the barrel and seems to keep the pattern tighter, I have to find some of that shot. It gets dirty fast so I think the long sleeve is reducing the centrifugal force of the spin by shearing in the rifling. I have also experimented with .433" wads with 100 gr of shot with a 165 gr gas checked lead projectile on top. Coated tungsten shot would be cool. Basically a close range solution to a non-problem, but as a defense round it could be handy as the 165 gr bullet is going around 1100 fps as is the shot from a 2.65" barrel.
Way to come up with something new ! Great video
Great video Buffalo!
You may have discovered a new turkey load!
I need to give this stuff a try. Been hearing it's praises for awhile now.
Wish I could throw a few bucks your way brother, you deserve it, but it's pretty tight around here these days.
I bet you've got tons of video ideas on the back burner, but I'd be curious as to what your favorite squirrel rifle is.
Glad to see you back......again 😉 Don’t sweat it my man, the loyals will be here no matter how long you need to do whatever you need to do. Those Frankin-shells are just awesome, and the end result is well, the end for that turkey lol
Great idea! 👍
wb Buffalo! Had some nice short sleeve weather down here in Arkansas the other day too and I took advantage and did some practice! but its gone now back in the icebox! lol! have a good one!
The weather is nuts this time of year! I try to get full use out of those warmer days when they show up! Thanks!
You never disappoint. A .410 turkey gun! Whoda thunk it? Thanks, Buff, for yet more fun.
Welcome back Buff
Glad to hear you`re OK, awesome video, as always!!! Greetz from the Netherlands!!!
Thank you very much!
Great test Buffalo! Thanks.h
Nicely done!
That's definitely a heavy load for a .410. I believe it's JUST shy of 7/8oz. So your 20 yard impact velocities would be close to 30 yard performance on a normal loaded shell as you likely had a lower muzzle velocity on that load. Very good performance. Basically a similar load to federals 3rd degree loads. But without 'flitestopper' pellets.
With the #9 tss being lighter than lead #6 per pellet, but performing better all around, it takes the usefulness out of the blend unless you are looking for a slightly wider "in tight" pattern that still carries well out to about 40 yards. I'd be interested to see a load with ±60 flite-stopper #6 pellets backed by 200 #9 TSS. From 15-50 yards. Could be a very useful load as at short ranges the tss holds almost too-tight patterns.
Awesome 😎👍👍 very useful information
I am still interested in seeing comparison of individual loads.
Thsnks. Buffalo. 👍🙏
You're very welcome and thank you for watching!
TSS is awesome for the small bore shotguns. I've killed countless ducks and turkeys with 10s out past 50 yards and even a large honker that flew over at about 25 yards while I was upland hunting with 10.5s.
Interesting video. I learned from it, Thanks. I shoot a 12 ga and I really like Long Beard.
A buddy of mine started using TSS a couple of years back in his 20ga. and he’s says he’ll never go back to Lead shot again. Last year he Hunted most of the season with a .410 and limited out last season with the .410 / TSS Loads. Took 1 Big Tom at 35 yards, Bang / Flop.
As always great video. Glad you got the computer issue squared away for now
Thank you! I am glad too! I missed uploading regularly. This is just about my only hobby these days!
Nice shirt! They definitely did that man wrong, if i recall correctly he did not hurt anyone but surely made it known he had enough.
Different metals are better then leads, but it also COST more , not sure about other states , but in my area the department of natural resources are aiming to band lead ammo , that’s why ammo companies are trying out different metals and hopefully customers will buy them even if they do cost more .
I am a laymen when it comes to shotguns. I have only just started experimenting with bismuth instead of lead for non-toxic use. Didn't know anyone offered tungsten shot but it makes perfect sense. I would have to wonder if these are safe in older shotguns. Since it is so hard and dense, I wonder if it might damage a barrel.
I don't have any shotguns that I have to worry about it with so I haven't researched it but as a general rule if it's not rated for steel shot then I wouldn't shoot TSS or other types of tungsten shot in it either.
@@buffalosoutdoors You can practically club the turkeys around here. They are used to people.
The mighty 410 ! Placed right gives more eating.
Good presentation.
This is good to know since this will be my first time hunting turkey 🦃
IV got an old Winchester mdl 42 that im going to try out this spring with the sst.thanks for bringing us along.
That's a smoked 🦃
right there. Good patterning little shotgun. 👍👍
Thanks!
Nice set up. Give us your loading data. Try #9 lead and #6 lead in a shot. Great show.
Nice pattern!
Great information friend! Appreciate your hard work!!
Thank you!
You should try the same size shot of lead as the same size shot of TSS such as number 6 shot for both or number nine for both and shoot them separately there's going to be less resistance on that number should 9 shot versus the number 6 shot because it's a bigger diameter just something to think about. I would not pay that price for TSS because I don't turkey hunting enough and I've already got 20 boxes of turkey loads for my 12-gauge
The point of using TSS is the ability to go down a few shot sizes and still have good pellet per pellet energy levels while improving pattern density and penetration. I would never throw number 9 lead at turkeys due to lack of energy and penetration and number 6 TSS wouldn't offer the pattern density advantages of the smaller shot. So a comparison of lead and TSS in the same size shot would be a useless test for me. Thanks for watchin!
Looks like a winner, happy hunting.
Terrific video
I love the Killdozer shirt.
Very good vid, thank you. In Europe we are moving away from Lead shot and are now expected to use nontoxic shot. I would love you to do a vid comparing loads for fox/coyotes with steel vs Lead vs TSS.