Sherco 250SE 300SE bling and first mods︱Cross Training Enduro
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- Опубликовано: 8 июн 2022
- www.crosstrainingenduro.com Our mods on the 2022 Sherco 250SE and 300SE Factory models. We have at least 10 rides on the new Sherco Factory models now. Cue the French laugh. There have been a lot of questions about our planned modifications and our first impressions. I will do some comprehensive videos about this soon. But so far? Nous sommes tres heureux. How you say? We are very happy with 2022 Sherco 250SE and 300SE Factory dirt bikes! But they are easily fixed and overall these are very impressive motorbikes. I can still remember how shiny the motorbikes were in the dealer's showroom. And our terrible attempts to remember our French lessons from forty years ago. What about bling for the Sherco 250SE?And there are plenty of other happy owners too. At a recent hard enduro event, we were surprised to see so many Shercos in the field, and they won first and second place outright. I still thought Sherco was a boutique brand in Australia but theSherco 300SE bikes are definitely mainstream now. We are discovering a few little issues which we will list in a video soon. My aim was to spend as little as possible and reduce weight. We are always amused when riders say they have bought the lightest motorbike possible, then add a huge amount of weight with bling items. This is a free method for a much lighter clutch. I did experiment with this for one ride... and yes it makes a big difference! Is it a good long-term solution? I don't know. I googled a lot to find any riders who had trouble with this modification, but I could not find any reported problems. I put tape under the lever mounts so they would spin in a crash instead of breaking. Unfortunately the clutch lever broke in a simple crash at a standstill. The Brembo clutch mount is very expensive so I bought a Clake One Light clutch on the Sherco 300SEinstead. It only cost about $70 more than the Brembo unit. The Sherco clutch is quite heavy compared to most other brands so this has fixed that problem dramatically. The clutch feels as light as a trials clutch now. Some Sherco owners just remove two of the six clutch springs of the Sherco 250SE and 300SE Factory bikes. A lot of KTM riders were doing this years ago when KTM clutches were quite heavy. If anyone has encountered problems after removing two clutch springs on a Sherco 250SE, let me know. The KYB suspension on the Factory edition is superb the harder you ride. However, the forks do feel a bit harsh for slower technical terrain. The standard gearing is excellent for everyday enduro riding. However, we swapped the 49 tooth rear sprocket for a 52 tooth. This has been great for our slow technical terrain. Now we can ride in second gear most of the time, and just choose first gear when it gets really rough. The gear ratios are quite broad so the Shercos still cruise nicely in sixth gear on open trails. We definitely needed handlebar risers. And many Sherco riders agree. My dealer suggested reducing the compression damping to only three 'clicks' for the Sherco 300SE. This helped a lot, but eventually I reduced it to zero and it's just about perfect now for our style of riding on the Sherco 250SE and 300SE Factory bikes. Someone told me Sherco use the same handlebars from their trials motorbikes. This makes sense as they are very low. What else? I am too tall for almost any motorbike. I usually fit Fastway footpegs which I can drop into a lower rearward position. I tried a free modification. It will be interesting to see if this changes when we fit a different brand of tyre. We certainly won't be fitting the Michelins again, the rear tyre costs about AUD$260.Ouch. So that's our report after 10 rides. We will do a more comprehensive video later. Au revoir, mon ami! You can saw off the bottom part of this mount and place it on top, which lowers the footpegs slightly. Every bit helps! A friend calls his Sherco the turbocharged tractor. The Sherco 250SE 'grunt' is very impressive, even with the 250 two stroke. The engines simply don't quit on steep slow climbs, even just above idle. And it all helps with the traction too. Yesterday we did a lot of slow hill climbs over wet tree roots, clay and loose rubble. But the rear wheels just keep hooking up. The engine characteristics are a big part of the explanation. However, it might be the Michelin tyres too, which are known for good traction.
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Took 2 springs out of my 21 300 2t factory at approx 5hrs. Now at 70ish hrs of pretty hard riding. Not a single issue. 👍🏼
You will warp/blue the steel plates running it with 4 springs. Took about 60-70 hours to happen on my 14 2t, with a modded engine. Swap out three of the springs for the KTM clutch springs, and add a different lever. I use the ARC power lever.
3 days in Romania and one competition with 4 springs and no problem in model 2016 300se. Works good!
hi, can you tell which ones you take off, do you have a picture?
You will warp the clutch quick that way, with two springs removed. I found out on a 14 model. Did the "swap 3 KTM springs" mod on my 19. Went 140 hours before a clutch replacement with that set-up.
@@Jlow67WV thanks a lot!
Hi I know the thread is a little old but how does your 2016 model compare to the later ones - favourably??? Thanks
Glad you're enjoying the Sherco, love mine!
Just ordered the Mario Roman edition. Coming off a ‘20 wr250f. Cannot wait mate. Please do more of these videos. It’s great for us guys getting into the brand. Cheers
Took two springs out on my 2020 at 0 hours and ran it about 150 hours with absolutely ZERO issues. All hard enduro riding with heavy abuse to the clutch. Never skipped a beat. I just did the same mod to my 2023 300 and am hoping for the same results.
how is your 2023 300 holding up with the two springs removed? What brand bike is it?
Thank you from France ! I like your « French English accent « 🤣
Vous etes trop gentil lol
Ppppp
Instead of taking out clutch springs, I installed the Midwest Mountain Engineering clutch lever. One has to really follow the installation and adjustment instructions. I am very happy with how the mod turned out.
Superb looking bikes. The KYB suspension on my Wr 250f is literally a lifesaver when you hit the unexpected at speed, slightly harsh on the slow choppy stufff though. I would love a 300sef but I'm pretty sure you can't plate them in NZ. Your reviews are Superb.
the kyb on my sherco is really stiff at low speed too, especially the fork. i opened compression all the way and rebound is 9 clicks closed. works quite well, i really like the front wheel planted without any bumbs being transfered into my arms. i really don't enjoy wide open rebound.
I only tested it on a track, no real freeriding yet, but i usually don't change much for track riding.
The Sherco dirt bikes are really nice! Especially their 2-strokes. I bet the KYB suspension feels phenomenal.
The KYB is brilliant as you ride harder, the 'Factory' models are really geared more toward racing hin this respect. For chilled riding it's not plush they way the Yamaha KYB SSS forks are though. We backed off the compression damping which has helped.
How many hours are you up to with the kyb? After break in they plush considerably
Thanks Bro, I do appreciate your Review plus being a new Sub!
Welcome! I have friends who have done road and dirt tours of Thailand, I should put that on the bucket list....
@@crosstrainingenduro Thanks - why not! Look up for Bo Wee Waterfall in Ratchaburi, seems to be the new Mecca for Hard Enduro in Thailand!
Tyre set up and radiator braces is all they need for most I reckon.
your french is most impressive...😀 i whish you a lot of fun with your Sherco!!!
Merci!
If you are going to run the open guards, like I do as well, you should replace the stock levers with some fully foldable ones. This combined with the tape trick ... It made my Sherco take plenty of hits and no broken levers so far.
I've got the full handguards now. The bike fell at a standstill and broke the clutch perch.... $350 for a new one. Ouch.
@@crosstrainingenduro Foldable levers (SPP) are cheaper and lighter than wrap around barkbusters. Oh well, at least youll know for next time ;)
@@postmortemspasm I wish spp levers were available in the US, I can get them on ebay for 100usd, folding levers aren't too expensive here but 4 way levers tend to be pricy.
Sherco + Michelin = oui oui baguette 👌
You’ve officially become a full on Beret wearing snail eater 😂😂
Looking forward to seeing how it goes long term
Me being a mid-height guy makes me happy when I see all the things tall and short riders have to do. But I still need to learn how to ride, I've got the falling over part perfected.
#Gumby
I've spent years perfecting my crash technique, Brian 😁
Great review just purchased on yesterday lt will ready at the end of this march keep your tires in the dirt
Great chanel
Enjoy, Rob! In most cases the stock jetting is way too rich and you'll probably foul plugs. Most dealers fix this, just ask yours if he's done this.
NICE bikes.
Now make sure you have at least 1 more shinny bling kit to out climb your brother.
Riding with friends and your brother, best fun EVER!!!
As my Canadian counterpart says... it's all about the hang time. 😁 We spend equal amounts of time riding as talking nonsense when we stop at various places in the bush.
@cross training Enduro guy. Change free piston to light version. Just about every suspension brand make a version of this. K tech is one example however Zeta make the same item for alot less. Part no. ZE56-40012 do your research on these. Makes a difference to that small bump compliance you are talking about in this video. 👍
love the look of the sherco..... how much for Michelin medium enduro 😮 I use them they have gone up in price recently but are about £90 here in the UK
Great review. I have to admit, I'd never considered the brand seriously. The only French-made thing I've ever been satisfied with is an Opinel knife. Everything else has been junkyard-ready right from the box!
Same here. As per our known issues vid, there were a fair pile of problems they had to work through with the two strokes... about the same as most brands. But it seems they are all really solid bikes now. Incredibly popular here in Australia now, sold out before shipments arrive etc. I've got a French van now too lol. It's a Mitsubishi Express which is just a rebranded Renault Trafic.
@@crosstrainingenduro been replacing a head gasket on a renault trafic recently, its a french nightmare
sacre bleu!
Mon Dieu!
As usual I love your vids. I would have 2 questions if you have time to answer. 1) so no click changes on forks rebound and on shock absorber ? 2) do you remeber the brand name of bar risers ? Thanks!!
I think I backed off the compression to zero at both ends? IT's the racing model so a bit too firm for our slow reiding. Rox bar risers.
Barry, I would have thought you had a deal going with Michelin. Most end up using a StarCross which is still a DOT tyre and a whole lot cheaper. There is a high-speed Tracker tyre as well that is better suited to road use. & tyres is whatever floats your boat.
We don't really want to do deals, Michael... it usually means you have to say good things about the product to get it for free. We'd rather stay independent and critical as much as possible!
Starcross is a full on MX tyre. Not DOT at all
As a French enduro rider in Australia, I should ditch my WR250F Yammie and go for a 300 Sherco. I was impressed by how much these bikes can do when I did a course with Tim Coleman recently (it's 90% the bike, right?...). Well, I'll call bank right now!
It's the bike, not the rider... 🤣 C'est la moto, pas le pilote!
Looks like the 4 stroke days are over.
Can’t wait for the long term review. You might have the French dialled in by then 🤣
I changed 3 clutch springs for Ktm ones. No problems 50 hours in.
Good to hear!
My biggest issues with the sherco is that parts seem to break easier than on a KTM/Husq/gasgas, it’s much harder to work on with a bunch of the bolts being in weird hard to reach places and the air filter being wider that the frame when you try to put it in (really annoying because where I live I have to change it every 1-2 rides), and it is quite heavy for someone like me who is 140lbs (63.5kg).
The weight doesn’t bother me unless the bike falls upside down or towards the downside of a side hill, I can’t imagine someone who weighs 170lbs (77kg) or more would care about the weight, and it really feels like one of the lightest bikes when you ride it.
There’s some other small issues here and there I have with it like the battery location, stock clutch pull, stock e-start easily breaking in crashes, parts availability (in USA), etc.
Overall I really like the bike and it’s a joy to ride
Interesting points, Garrett. I do know one industry guy who said some hard enduro riders on Shercos say some parts on the bike tend to break easier compared to other brands. A few owners have said the mapping switch breaks very easily. The stock clutch pull really is an oversight, it should be on par with other brands by now. Removing two springs seems to be the free option... working well for me so far.
All my broken levers has broken when I wasn't riding, strong winds and no closed garage sucks. I can't ride becouse my front brake lever broke and my rear brake barely works
Curious as to how tall you are? I'm 6'2" and 230 lbs with gear on and trying to decide between the 250 and 300.
I think the stock tyre is a 140
So I have a question man. In the video you said you went from 49T stock to 52T on the rear sprocket. Don't these come stock with 48T? I am getting a 23' 300 SE Factory and am sure I'm going to end up swapping from a 48T to a 50T on the rear and was curious if I have to buy a longer chain to accommodate.
Can't really remember now. But I know there was a slight difference between the 250 and 300. I had to buy a longer chain for my 300. Jeff didn't need to for his 250.
What Michelin you running ?
Super soft ?
Looking forward da reportage 😂
Cheers mate
Whatever the stock tyres are... they are fairly soft but not super soft. Great grip but way too expensive to actually buy a pair lol.
they come with michelin mediums.
I recently got the sherco sef300 😊 Are you going to add radiator gaurds?
I'm not. My brother is. It's kind of an experiment to see how long I can get before I wreck them enough to need repairs or replacement.
Hey Mate. I am a french enduro guy very fan about your vids. Just let me know if you need any translation.
Merci. I hope the automatic translations are enough. They aren't very good but the message should be clear.
I thought some of the boys change the master cylinder for a 10mm
Interesting that you think the clutch master is expensive. Did you look for the Sherco part number specifically? It's the same Brembo master that KTM uses. My KTM came with a 10mm piston. I wanted a 9mm. KTM is $250+. Sherco part number was $130! It's exactly the same part.
Regarding the peg mod. Have you added additional shims? Because you've turned some of that peg, the thickness of the hacksaw blade, into dust, it can't possibly fit as snug as before the mod.
I've been adding lightness to my bike, too, recently. I've switched from my regular bark buster setup (drilled and tapped bars with Cycra Pro Bends with BRP bar clamps) to KTM closed, plastic guards. They're a fraction of the weight and less than half the price. But the levers are still protected. The plastic is pretty trick. It flexes a ton but doesn't snap or crease. I've dumped 2 bikes with them several times now - no damage! And the bars can flex naturally with these guards. I recommend it.
I didn't think to shop around, doh. Possibly Sherco Australia charge quite a bit for the part. Interesting change with the handguards. The Traction eRag guys are doing a test of handguards and said the Cycras were heavy but seem to use a cheaper alloy, it bent far too easily in their tests. But they need to do more testing before making conclusions.
Oh also what was the brake of Clake clutch you got as well :-)
Clake One Light clutch.
Dids you guys change the jetting? That's made a massive difference to mine. Let me know if you want the specs.
Yep, our dealer sets it correctly on every new bike. Most dealers in Australia do this apparently.
@@crosstrainingenduro 👍 Not Sunstate Motorcycles on the Sunny Coast 👎
Bummer.
G'day 2 questions please, just bought a 2018 sherco 300 factory and runs crap would you know the settings on yours? And will the Tenterfield terror run next year? I'm keen to have a crack at silver straight up 😎
Leanest setting possible on the leanest needle in the toolkit, Ronaldo. And it's still a bit rich. A friend has bought an even leaner needle available from Sherco and his bike runs much better. Apparently the Sherco jetting chart back in 2017 and earlier was quite accurate, but since then all the settings have been too rich.
What made you sway to a Sherco instead of a TM in the end then?
Explained in our Sherco first impressions vid, Jake
Hey Barry, which bar risers are you using, and how much of a rise was it? Thanks in advance,
Not sure on the brand, just got them through Sherco Australia. 35mm risers perhaps? I'm thinking of getting the two inch Rox risers instead as I can pivot them to exactly where I want the bars.
@@crosstrainingenduro thank you!
I have a 2022 300se Factory. What was the brand of Carbon Fibre pipe guards you lads chose on. The Sherco brand P3 or the E-line item.Cheers in advance please.
I'm not even sure actually, whatever Sherco Australia has on their website.
Thanks for that👍
There's another brand called virus racing too
Those standing still crashes are the worst.
Almost all the damage I've done to my bikes have been at or near zero forward speed . Stall and fall the cause, shortened suspension and autoclutch the cure. Not for everybody, but it's what keeps me in the woods .
Yep, same here and I'm way too tall for any dirt bike lol.
I’ve added an anodised fuel cap and it’s definitely made me faster…
Good for 13.5% extra speed, Scott... 13.7% with a tail wind!
Fast forward 10 years - "thinking about buying the boutique KTM brand" 🤔
It just might be heading that way in Australia at least, Dwayne. There seemed to be equal numbers of Shercos to KTMs at a recent hard enduro event. Of course it doesn't mean one is necessarily better than the other. But I think plenty of riders prefer carbs to TPI at the very least...
Am jelly
Mine (300se)is in the sep Oct shipment...
Interested in tall heavy Muppet rider setup as 115kg and 185cm.
Thanks
Damn that's a long wait. Factory model? You might find the stock suspension is fine with your weight. If the forks are a bit harsh at lower speeds, as mentioned just make the compression zero. Another apparent solution is take 10cc of fork oil out of each leg, riders tell me it becomes quite plush then.
S3 punk pegs
There is a guy on RUclips (think it was The Dirtbike Rider) who did the clutch mod and removed two springs of the clutch. He burned the clutch pretty fast. So that not a good idea to do.
Interesting! I've googled around everywhere and never heard of a problem. What year model was it, Lucas? Sherco owners were having issues with clutch plates burning out fast until they changed them recently... might have been the 2021 models.
@@crosstrainingenduro Not to sure, I think 2020 or 2021
Just checkout his RUclips videos of the sherco. He tested them pretty good and tell you all the good and bad things about it.
I don't recommend the two spring removal trick. Swap 3 of them with the KTM springs. 140 hours on a '19 model before clutch replacement.
Those poor tailpipes.....
uhm... drive around that 4:06 after all the double blip and log jump how to videos you've posted?!? :)