At the risk of sounding real: Do you think Kate Middleton,Duchess of Cambridge ban tourists from watching her bathe? As a needlecrafter I would hate to create and gift a $8000 piece: time and materials plus 20% and find it i. eBay for $10. Instant brand devaluation. No I do not want people to think that they have access to the work or are associated with the brand without spending $8000. It’s called marketing, PR/advertising.
Not necessarily ban. If a good location you source at goes out of business because reseller overharvesting causes them to lose a lot of customers who have no incentive to shop there for the markdowns because Resellers picked the bones dry then a good source is eliminated. Seems short sighted and not sustainable. Moderation seems warranted. Imho... if you do that to all your best sourcing locations you paint yourself into a corner of not having those locations to source from anymore as well as other resellers.. Analogy of mcdonalds clearcutting the rainforest for short term grazing of their cattle until the Earths ozone is depleted.
When I buy an item from a store, I pay for it, I then own the item. I don’t believe the ‘brand’ should be able to tell me what I can or can’t do with an item once it belongs to me. Gray Market, huh? Thrift store it is!! Thanks Chris for the heads up. 😅
I agree, we should be able to resale whatever we own. As far as Patagonia and their warranty, it should not be a legal excuse. When I buy the item they give it a warranty and it should not matter who owns the jackets if I sell it, it is still the same jacket, not like they are having to warrant an additional item. I often find new with tags items at thrift stores and should be able to sell them.
@@kb1236 unfortunately that is the world and reality we live in you can't resell it if it's new and you are not an authorized period end of story been like that forever and unless your an actual business you will not be able to be an authorized seller so only thing you can sell are used items even then if you try to sell big name brands you will most likely get an IP infraction on Amazon or Vero on eBay for selling counterfeit items so as a 30 plus year online reseller stay away from selling new items and big name brands you will never have issues with Veros or IP infractions
@@kb1236 also the old if there doing it why can't I do you say that to the police officer that pulls you over for speeding when the person driving right beside you in the other lane was speeding too just Because the thrift shops sell new items does not mean they have a right too and if caught they would get introuble too of there not an authorized reseller
As a Reseller, I never make it obvious ANYWHERE that I'm a ReSeller. This includes buying huge amounts of new items in any one sale. Also, I avoid using stock photos. I've been busted so many times for that, mostly on depop and eBay. I just quit using stock photos.
Years ago when Victoria's Secret used to be a great seller, everyone would massively shop the semi annual sale in bulk and they used to have you sign a paper stating you are not reselling it. Now I don't think VS sells well anymore but I'm not certain.
I’ve heard this from buying online. Very interesting it happened in person too. So awesome you could handle yourself professionally and have that conversation with her. Thanks for your work and using it as educational for all! Thanks. Your the best.
Thank you for this episode on your page ! I never make any comments but I am a beginning flipper for gently used items. I want you to know that I APPRECIATE your TIME and PATIENCE and the way you present your vid’s; I am slow in comprehension and this breakdown presented and the presentation of explaining how things work in the reselling market is the BEST I have see amongst various sellers:
How can they ban you from a brick and mortar store? If the employees know you there then just go to a different store and pay cash if you want to be extra stealthy. Seems like an empty threat because I don't see how they could ever enforce that.
It's there store they can do whatever they want it's like on ebay a seller cam block any buyer they want for no reason so don't understand why you don't think a brick and mortar store should have that same ability you ask how would they enforce it trespass you and then show your photo to every employee and let them know your banned from the store
@@bennystratton7734 no, like physically how.. evay makes you sign in a brick Patagonia location does not and you can pay cash.. they literally don't need to know your identity while eBay makes you create an account to even purchase...
@@gamereactz cash is dead soon. CBDC will usher in a whole new set of abilities to know exactly what your buying and where. I’m sure the store will be able to use the system the same way on their side. At the checkout it is ❌ sorry but you aren’t authorized to buy here😱
No one has taken them to court yet for this shady business policy that they just trumped up our of nowhere. Is this business practice lawful and legit? Or something they conjured up?
@@focusdude88they don't want to do that because then you'll be hurting people's feelings and in this climate of inflation and hard times that could be very very dangerous.
This is a really great video! I stopped reselling on certain platforms that are dramatic or as you said “gives headaches.” So when I started reselling back in 2017, I started on EBay, Mercari and OfferUp/LetGo but as I kept on learning, I realized what I loved, what I didn’t, what platforms actually worked better and I actually found a niche for myself that I loved. So, I learned a lot. I still resell today. I’ve made some very decent money with it but what I used to sell was furniture and other peoples goods they couldn’t sell. I did quite well. I also am a designer myself and do a lot of upcycling which is something that works for me too. I do a lot of harvesting of the beads/stones I work with. I love my holistic business and I’ve been involved in it for over 20 years. Now regarding my niche: The niche I found that I love and works very well for me is in board games. Yes! Board games. I also love anything that’s vintage from the 80’s and 90’s. If I find these things sometimes I keep them for myself or I will resell. Reselling is an art, just like anything, I think. I think it takes an eye for design and just knowing from intuition what’s going to make a profit or not. So, with my sales and creative background, I’ve been able to resell successfully and love it. At first when I was learning, I was selling clothing because that’s what my friend that got me into this was doing and still does but for me, it was a headache and the clothing market is competitive and saturated. I didn’t like having to take a million photos and other things that came along with selling clothing. When I picked up a board game lot for $10 and flipped the games quickly for between $10-$40, I knew I loved that and I stayed with it. I just picked up a vintage 1986 Let’s Make A Deal board game but I’ll probably keep it. I also realized that I sold much faster on Mercari and the Marketplace. EBay might have eyes on it but it comes with many headaches. I’d rather go small and not deal in drama or headaches. It works for me. So now, my focus is really on my beads and jewelry as it was when I first started and if I see some cool vintage items, I’ll pick them up. I do really love reselling, thrifting and reselling for myself and others too who don’t know how. There are many different ways to make great money thrifting and reselling. I’ve had tremendous luck and now I never buy anything full price. I thanked my mom this past week for taking me to all those garage sales when I was a child. Back then I was like “this is so gross” but little did I know how valuable reselling, recycling, and upcycling would be for me today. It was like a prophecy for the future for me and today I’m so thankful. 😉 Good luck to all out there! ♥️
Hi, Chris. Great stuff! Have to be like a hawk on brands that are being banned by manufacturers. I stick with what works and go with it and I just scale on that. Always success!
Thank you, pretty cool that Patagonia Rep took the time to explain their policy. Shed some great light on why brands have these policy's. Explaining the difference in expected profit margins of RA vs Sourced Pre-owned Items was on point. I do both in the Toy & Plush Categories with a Brand I specialize in. The profit margin may be smaller in my RA but the net profit is much higher. So mixed with my bread & butter items I have a good consistent income on all the platforms together. Then offloading the rest of my inventory in bulk on Whatnot has been an added plus to our business. Appreciate the video! ~pam 💯💛
At the hobby store we were constantly getting MAPP pricing violations for items from a particular board game manufacturer because the manufacturer would raise the MAPP pricing on some item or another. We eventually just dropped the manufacturer, their items didn't move fast enough to deal with trying to keep up with their MAPP pricing on items that we sold maybe 1 of per year.
Back in early 90s i'd sell new tagged clothing at swaps. I made a ton of money and nobody said a thing. One seller that i remember sold thousands of bootleg cassette tapes for years and nothing happened. But then around 1997-98 the state board and management started looking harder at resellers and many sellers disappeared. One unlucky storage buyer bought three 10x30 storage units full of books and tapes that belonged to the church of scientology. He tried selling them at a swapmeet and said he was threatened and harassed by the church so he stopped selling their stuff. He told me church people kept coming up to his booth and asking him where he got the books and tapes from. After that I never saw him again. I'm pretty sure one day people wont be able to sell used items at all. Some cities now stop people from having garage sales.
@@carltonthepug how if Mr Chris is still thriving? He's a real businessman that knows how to sell alot anywhere he can. Big respects for Mr Chris he's a real inspirational mentor in my opinion.
adidas outlet didnt let me buy multiple pairs. Treated me like a criminal for trying to resell outlet shoes. Outlet shoes that no one wanted i was doing them a favor. offered to sell me only one pair. I got pissed off and said cancel the sale i aint buying shit and left the store. f them.
I never understand companies that want to ban resellers for spending $$$. A lot of them do this then end up going out of business a few years later. With the way the world and economy is they should be happy to take people's money.
On the other hand there is brand preservation and the fact that they’re already a billion dollar company. I did a case study on them years ago and it was cool to hear a corporate company was encouraging and paying their office employees to go out and hike/kayak/climb which is what their gear was intended for. Now you have a bunch of Silicon Valley tech bros wearing their vests and I’m sure they want to retain their image. When you’re already making that much money they probably don’t feel the need to focus so much on squeezing as much profits as opposed to being sustainable. I mean if they offer lifetime warrant my they’re probably planning on sticking around for the long run
In December 2021, the European Center for Constitutional and Human Rights filed a criminal complaint in a Dutch court against Patagonia and other brands, alleging that they benefited from the use of forced Uyghur labor in Xinjiang.
And that brand you spoke of in the beginning, it's already selling used items from their brand on their website, just like the workout Lulu company from Canada. You will find less and less of it when sourcing.
Authorized 3rd party reseller? There is no such thing. These brands who issue copyright take downs on platforms like ebay are actually violating the laws of this nation. When you buy something, you own it, you can legally resell or do whatever you want with it. While its true that brands often have contractual agreements with distributors and retailers, those rules do not apply to consumers because consumers do not have a contractual agreement. In the case of Patagonia telling its customers they can't resell their products, that is total baloney. Unless the customers actually signed a legal contract agreeing to those terms, they will never be honored in a court of law. As for those brands who issue IP take down notices to resellers, those resellers then have the right to sue the brand itself. Brands know what the laws are, but they blatantly violate them anyway. On platforms like ebay, brands will often file claims with ebay claiming an item is counterfeit in order to get items removed from sale. In such cases resellers can then file lawsuits for defamation, harassment, and any losses/damage to their businesses that resulted from those takedowns. Brands know they can't legally stop consumers from reselling their products, so they lie thru their teeth and make those bogus counterfeit claims. Its going to take resellers to start filing lawsuits against these major brands who blatantly violate the law before it will ever stop.
I have only bought items to resell. I’ve been selling on eBay for 20 years. I think I’m just gonna keep doing that ! Buying new to resell has not really interested me, but I was really fascinated to hear what the reasoning is behind it. I get the warranty thing, but if you put it in your listing that you cannot offer a warranty, wouldn’t that handle that? It is crazy that you can literally get banned from a store for reselling merchandise you bought there. Thank you so much for sharing this. I’m sure this will save many people a lot of grief.
Thankfully it’s only an issue w/ apparel items! Costume Jewelry (as long as it’s not designer) has less hassles & can have way better profit margins too!
I will never buy a brand for personal use, pay full price and not be able to then resell it once I'm done using it. Makes no sense. The reselling of new items I kind of get.
Sick Incubus piece bro. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and journey with us. I learn so much about business and human psychology within business from you. So much love for Patagonia. Interesting they would take this stance on reselling their products.
I know a lot of stores have similar limits… Polo, CK, Tommy, North Face, Levi’s, etc… I have experienced recently because of excess inventory some of these stores aren’t limiting clearance items because they just want to get rid of units. I think some of their policies are fluid 🤷🏻♀️
I got banned by Hibbett’s Sports from buying too many clearance items from their website. If their systems see my address on any order, they automatically cancel the order.
I worked for a major retailer 20+ years ago who sold Levi's. We would get limited shipments. They put a cap on how many customers could buy at a time because they would take them to other countries & resell them.
That's the way it should be. A store has the right to tell you that you can't buy from them; fair enough, it's their store. But if they let you buy something, the moment it's yours and not theirs, their right to say what is done with it should end. It's a basic concept called "right of first sale." A person or a company should have the right to decide who they will sell to, and how much they sell it for, but after the sale is made their rights to that item should fully transfer to the person who now owns it. It's such a basic concept I don't even know why it needs to be said.
I’d love to see law firms find ways to sue Patagonia. I own goods I should be able to set them on fire or do whatever I please to. It’s my belonging. Btw how do they ban a person? They cannot ID you when you enter the store. Or do they keep a database of banned people?! Makes no sense.
It’s a little different, but in the couponing world, companies started trying to go after people who couponed then resold. The Supreme Court ruled that once you buy a product, it’s yours and you can do whatever you want to. I guess the stores can ban who they want but couldn’t you just go in with cash? How would they know who you are then? Ordering online would be more tricky but I don’t see how they could stop you from buying in the store.
This is stuff that never made sense to me. You buy that item, that item is yours, no longer theirs. You bought and paid for their brand. They make the stuff to sell. If you aren't using it anymore, who cares what happens to it? It's kinda like the tax thing. Dealers get charged a tax to get items, we buy items, pay tax. We sell item, buyer pays tax. Then we are taxed again for making over $600 in sales. Zero sense.
@@JMidwestern I'm really starting to wonder when we are going to throw another tea party at this point. It's literally taxation without representation at this point.
@@loutewl6903 Exactly. What doesn't make sense to me is that there is literally ZERO movement by US citizens to put a stop to this endless tax BS. We keep slaving away to line pockets. Want to have your mind blown? Look at how much the annual salary is for congress, senate, etc. Then realize that all of them are millionaires. They didn't start off rich. They are all criminals, literally.
i don't get why companies get mad at reselling, it's official products (none of that counterfeit nonsense), it's sold at reasonable prices (none of those scalping issues), because resellers are literally just the online version of a mom and pop shop
I worked in retail management and merchandising for 40 years. We had many vendors who we could not break price on. I always wondered why this does not fall under “price fixing” which is illegal.
They are trying to establish that you have agreed to terms at the time of purchase. That makes it a contract. So you can't actually be banned unless you do something that violates the contract. This is where it gets grey because what they really want is to be able to do is ban you on an assumption that you have violated the contract and force you to decide if it's worth taking them to court. Same goes with strong-arming your sales platform into banning or suspending you. This is why resellers need better supportive legislation for class actions and other remedies.
There’s an auction here online that every couple of months they sell bags of Patagonia pants or shirts the same size and style, like 5 to a bag. Sometimes jackets too. They sell for good money but still way under full retail. I wondered if they were legit…
We have a source that buys close out shoes and sometimes clothes. They had a batch from Harley Davidson and another batch from Korkease. Neither brand would allow for online reselling. The shoes could only be sold offline. Needless to say, we didn’t buy any of either brand because we don’t have any offline selling avenues.
Maybe you could hire some people to go in and buy thirty items, then pay in cash. Or maybe even recruit family and friends to help you get around their policy.
@@thriftyfashionation3321 and giving a vero 😫 I forgot 6 months later and accidentally listed another covergirl item and got a second one, definitely not good for my account
So this is only for nwt items or is it also for used items? Like if I bring in a damaged pre-owned item for them to fix under warranty, how would they know how I came by it?
I am a minnow of a minnow of a seller but one problem brand i ran into for vintage purposes was Chanel. They forbid you from selling their vintage product unless under strict guidelines and one of those guidelines is it must come with all the original / undamaged packaging. As that is part of their brand experience . Other brands are similar to this but Chanel was the only one i have hada problem with thus far.
I think you laid this video out very well and it's super informative thank you! Question, so do I hear you right that you are basically saying there are companies out there that will play the game dirty? Even though as sellers we have rights to sell their product because of the first sale doctrine, are you saying that they will still report the item to eBay as fake or fraudulent to get eBay to get it off the site? Also in your opinion do you have some top brands that overall you would just steer clear from regardless of how juicy the deal seems? For example this video is Patagonia but I have also heard through the grapevine trying to sell virtually anything made by Beachbody is really playing with fire in terms of being able to keep your eBay account? That there are some items they have ended cleaning their fake but also that if they see you trying to sell several of their items that they are one of the companies that will say all your items are fake and it'll possibly get you suspended from eBay or something like that? Do you have knowledge and thoughts on this and also any other companies you would watch out for? Again great video, I liked this one. Might even be a good idea to do a part two on it? 👍
It is definitely nice to be able to say that I was there from the beginning of the reseller market boom and when I started 15 or so years ago it was nowhere near as popular as it is now and it was nice while it was quiet but now it seems like every time you go to the thrift store there's 35 people there are looking for the same thing no matter what time of day you go. If you do not have a connection established for sourcing then you know how hard it can be to find things at times
@@just.j5302 I have never seen so many people find a cave of gold and then go blabbing about where the cave is. Like what did all these tiktok and youtubers expect
@@Getyourmomoffmygrom I've been dabbling since eBay was a year old, and I think a lot depends on where you are geographically too. People are stupid (for the most part). Oooh! I'm going to make RUclips content and make a fortune! 🤑🤑🤑 (Never thinking about what happens when everyone else decides to do the same... how're they going to make content now when there are no sourcing options left?) 🤣🤪 Smh...in our area, COVID decimated the yard sales...you hardly see any now.
Hi If u could would u do a video on how to go about being an authorized dealer of anything or any knowledge u have on it and brands u shouldn’t even bother w ect …..
You usually need a reseller license in order to do that, that will mean you can also use it to not pay taxes on the goods you purchase wholesale for the purpose of resell. You may or may not need to register as a business, LLC at minimum, and get a tax id for the business (similar to your SSN, but for the business itself). So in order of what you should file: LLC, tax id, then reseller license (which may be called a different name, depending on your state).
Unless this is specific to this particular company, MAP pricing limits the price you advertise. You can sell as low as you want when dealing with a customer but you cannot advertise or mark your price lower than the "Minimum Advertised Pricing" they assign
I buy entire stores that went out of business, if they don't want me selling their tears, they shouldn't have gone out of business. I don't consider that gray area. I will take any company that tries to vero me to court and win, since my items all came new from stores that closed due to the pandemic or something else, if they didn't want their stuff resold, they could have destroyed it or taken it back, but they elected to sell it, I'm protected by the first sale doctrine.
Patagonia isn't living by their promise to keep all their items out of landfills. as long as a certain profit margin is met then you can return the item. how is their mission statement met if they don't warrantee all their products that have made several people money down the chain of possession of their product?
I got flagged for trying to sell a certain brands speed loader (for guns) I've sold a few other ones (from different brands) but this one I got told to remove it and that there brand is not allowed to be sold on eBay , warned me if I tried to re-list it, I could be suspended. I can't recall the brand though.
Patagonia is known for high quality and end use design in sometimes challenging environments so they rely on the functional integrity of their products so I understand why they exert control on the retail end. Authentic Patagonia can be useful and like new for decades.
If you pay full price you can sell it and because you own it you can price it. If you work for company you cannot sell it for profit personal use only. If authorized dealer it has to be sold as same price as dealer is if you sell less they can pull line from your store. If bought from authorized dealer and you work for that place but you cannot sell. That's why alot of retail take your personal sizing and only let you buy in that size.
In 2001 Minnetonka donated a ton of boots to goodwill. All the boots had a hole punched in the sole of each boot. This marked it as donation. I guess a emp was reselling on eBay tons of them. I ended up with some and they didn't declare or shoe the holes. Minnetonka did it on purpose and ended up sueing the person that resold their donated items on eBay...
Why would a company donate those useless things? A boot with a hole in the sole gets the foot wet, pebbles get in, the heat from the pavement seeps in... 🤷
Maybe there's another way of doing it without ruining the shoe. Like maybe doing the hole somewhere else? It's a bit like donating rotten food to keep people from reselling it. Which happens too.
I stopped buying everything like that, if I can't sell it after I buy it then I won't ever buy it. no company should get to tell me what I can and can't do with the item I buy from them and I will boycott them for life
Do you think brands should ban bulk purchasing?
I think they eat good enough to let everyone get a piece of that pie
No, hell no.
Well it depends I suppose.. I would rather make a sale than have them copy my stuff and sell it for 3.00 each.
At the risk of sounding real: Do you think Kate Middleton,Duchess of Cambridge ban tourists from watching her bathe? As a needlecrafter I would hate to create and gift a $8000 piece: time and materials plus 20% and find it i. eBay for $10. Instant brand devaluation. No I do not want people to think that they have access to the work or are associated with the brand without spending $8000. It’s called marketing, PR/advertising.
Not necessarily ban. If a good location you source at goes out of business because reseller overharvesting causes them to lose a lot of customers who have no incentive to shop there for the markdowns because Resellers picked the bones dry then a good source is eliminated. Seems short sighted and not sustainable. Moderation seems warranted. Imho... if you do that to all your best sourcing locations you paint yourself into a corner of not having those locations to source from anymore as well as other resellers.. Analogy of mcdonalds clearcutting the rainforest for short term grazing of their cattle until the Earths ozone is depleted.
When I buy an item from a store, I pay for it, I then own the item. I don’t believe the ‘brand’ should be able to tell me what I can or can’t do with an item once it belongs to me. Gray Market, huh? Thrift store it is!! Thanks Chris for the heads up. 😅
Don't ever buy a Rolex then...speaking of brands owning their product after the sale.
I agree, we should be able to resale whatever we own. As far as Patagonia and their warranty, it should not be a legal excuse. When I buy the item they give it a warranty and it should not matter who owns the jackets if I sell it, it is still the same jacket, not like they are having to warrant an additional item. I often find new with tags items at thrift stores and should be able to sell them.
Don't ever buy a Ferrari you might get sued if you put a tacky license plate frame on it 😂
@@kb1236 unfortunately that is the world and reality we live in you can't resell it if it's new and you are not an authorized period end of story been like that forever and unless your an actual business you will not be able to be an authorized seller so only thing you can sell are used items even then if you try to sell big name brands you will most likely get an IP infraction on Amazon or Vero on eBay for selling counterfeit items so as a 30 plus year online reseller stay away from selling new items and big name brands you will never have issues with Veros or IP infractions
@@kb1236 also the old if there doing it why can't I do you say that to the police officer that pulls you over for speeding when the person driving right beside you in the other lane was speeding too just Because the thrift shops sell new items does not mean they have a right too and if caught they would get introuble too of there not an authorized reseller
As a Reseller, I never make it obvious ANYWHERE that I'm a ReSeller. This includes buying huge amounts of new items in any one sale. Also, I avoid using stock photos. I've been busted so many times for that, mostly on depop and eBay. I just quit using stock photos.
I never used stock photos because it makes you look lazy
Years ago when Victoria's Secret used to be a great seller, everyone would massively shop the semi annual sale in bulk and they used to have you sign a paper stating you are not reselling it. Now I don't think VS sells well anymore but I'm not certain.
I’ve heard this from buying online. Very interesting it happened in person too. So awesome you could handle yourself professionally and have that conversation with her. Thanks for your work and using it as educational for all! Thanks. Your the best.
Not an issue.
Thanks fir a great video!
Thank you for this episode on your page ! I never make any comments but I am a beginning flipper for gently used items. I want you to know that I APPRECIATE your TIME and PATIENCE and the way you present your vid’s; I am slow in comprehension and this breakdown presented and the presentation of explaining how things work in the reselling market is the BEST I have see amongst various sellers:
Great info, well explained...thank you for sharing. I am glad that manager took the time to sit with you and explain. Kowledge is power!!
How can they ban you from a brick and mortar store? If the employees know you there then just go to a different store and pay cash if you want to be extra stealthy. Seems like an empty threat because I don't see how they could ever enforce that.
It's there store they can do whatever they want it's like on ebay a seller cam block any buyer they want for no reason so don't understand why you don't think a brick and mortar store should have that same ability you ask how would they enforce it trespass you and then show your photo to every employee and let them know your banned from the store
@@bennystratton7734 no, like physically how.. evay makes you sign in a brick Patagonia location does not and you can pay cash.. they literally don't need to know your identity while eBay makes you create an account to even purchase...
@@gamereactz cash is dead soon. CBDC will usher in a whole new set of abilities to know exactly what your buying and where. I’m sure the store will be able to use the system the same way on their side. At the checkout it is ❌ sorry but you aren’t authorized to buy here😱
No one has taken them to court yet for this shady business policy that they just trumped up our of nowhere. Is this business practice lawful and legit? Or something they conjured up?
@@focusdude88they don't want to do that because then you'll be hurting people's feelings and in this climate of inflation and hard times that could be very very dangerous.
This is a really great video! I stopped reselling on certain platforms that are dramatic or as you said “gives headaches.” So when I started reselling back in 2017, I started on EBay, Mercari and OfferUp/LetGo but as I kept on learning, I realized what I loved, what I didn’t, what platforms actually worked better and I actually found a niche for myself that I loved. So, I learned a lot.
I still resell today. I’ve made some very decent money with it but what I used to sell was furniture and other peoples goods they couldn’t sell. I did quite well. I also am a designer myself and do a lot of upcycling which is something that works for me too. I do a lot of harvesting of the beads/stones I work with. I love my holistic business and I’ve been involved in it for over 20 years.
Now regarding my niche: The niche I found that I love and works very well for me is in board games. Yes! Board games. I also love anything that’s vintage from the 80’s and 90’s. If I find these things sometimes I keep them for myself or I will resell. Reselling is an art, just like anything, I think. I think it takes an eye for design and just knowing from intuition what’s going to make a profit or not. So, with my sales and creative background, I’ve been able to resell successfully and love it. At first when I was learning, I was selling clothing because that’s what my friend that got me into this was doing and still does but for me, it was a headache and the clothing market is competitive and saturated. I didn’t like having to take a million photos and other things that came along with selling clothing. When I picked up a board game lot for $10 and flipped the games quickly for between $10-$40, I knew I loved that and I stayed with it. I just picked up a vintage 1986 Let’s Make A Deal board game but I’ll probably keep it.
I also realized that I sold much faster on Mercari and the Marketplace. EBay might have eyes on it but it comes with many headaches. I’d rather go small and not deal in drama or headaches. It works for me.
So now, my focus is really on my beads and jewelry as it was when I first started and if I see some cool vintage items, I’ll pick them up. I do really love reselling, thrifting and reselling for myself and others too who don’t know how.
There are many different ways to make great money thrifting and reselling. I’ve had tremendous luck and now I never buy anything full price.
I thanked my mom this past week for taking me to all those garage sales when I was a child. Back then I was like “this is so gross” but little did I know how valuable reselling, recycling, and upcycling would be for me today. It was like a prophecy for the future for me and today I’m so thankful. 😉
Good luck to all out there! ♥️
Love your story! Thanks for telling it.
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Agreed. I love reselling books. I have found my niche and couldn't imagine selling clothing.
Good advice! Thanks Chris for this reminder. Had no idea companies do this and ban resellers that purchase to resell in bulk!
Hi, Chris. Great stuff! Have to be like a hawk on brands that are being banned by manufacturers. I stick with what works and go with it and I just scale on that. Always success!
Thank you, pretty cool that Patagonia Rep took the time to explain their policy. Shed some great light on why brands have these policy's.
Explaining the difference in expected profit margins of RA vs Sourced Pre-owned Items was on point. I do both in the Toy & Plush Categories with a Brand I specialize in.
The profit margin may be smaller in my RA but the net profit is much higher. So mixed with my bread & butter items I have a good consistent income on all the platforms together.
Then offloading the rest of my inventory in bulk on Whatnot has been an added plus to our business. Appreciate the video! ~pam 💯💛
At the hobby store we were constantly getting MAPP pricing violations for items from a particular board game manufacturer because the manufacturer would raise the MAPP pricing on some item or another. We eventually just dropped the manufacturer, their items didn't move fast enough to deal with trying to keep up with their MAPP pricing on items that we sold maybe 1 of per year.
This have Game Workshop written all over it.
Back in early 90s i'd sell new tagged clothing at swaps. I made a ton of money and nobody said a thing. One seller that i remember sold thousands of bootleg cassette tapes for years and nothing happened. But then around 1997-98 the state board and management started looking harder at resellers and many sellers disappeared. One unlucky storage buyer bought three 10x30 storage units full of books and tapes that belonged to the church of scientology. He tried selling them at a swapmeet and said he was threatened and harassed by the church so he stopped selling their stuff. He told me church people kept coming up to his booth and asking him where he got the books and tapes from. After that I never saw him again. I'm pretty sure one day people wont be able to sell used items at all. Some cities now stop people from having garage sales.
Thank you Chris for breaking this down! I appreciate the upload. Good Useful Advice!
I'm so glad I'm sticking with pre-owned & my handmade bags! Thanks for the update. PS-I'm still mad that Ebay tried to clip your wings.
Tried? They did
@@showgirlsaroundtheworldada4484 no one puts Chris in a corner.
Tried??
They sawed off his wings
@@carltonthepug how if Mr Chris is still thriving? He's a real businessman that knows how to sell alot anywhere he can. Big respects for Mr Chris he's a real inspirational mentor in my opinion.
Thanks for all the value Chris 👊🏼
You always have great info. Appreciate your videos!
Great content Chris, thank you for sharing all you do!!!👏👏
You’re very welcome!
adidas outlet didnt let me buy multiple pairs. Treated me like a criminal for trying to resell outlet shoes. Outlet shoes that no one wanted i was doing them a favor. offered to sell me only one pair. I got pissed off and said cancel the sale i aint buying shit and left the store. f them.
Thank you for this valuable information. Any experiences like yours helps us small time resellers from making big mistakes! 👍🏻
Definitely!
Yes thank you for all the information you put out so that we can learn and guide ourselves to do better at reselling.👍
I never understand companies that want to ban resellers for spending $$$. A lot of them do this then end up going out of business a few years later. With the way the world and economy is they should be happy to take people's money.
Agree... also shoppers may try a new to them brand only because it's cheaper... fall in love & then go straight to the brand for their next purchase.
On the other hand there is brand preservation and the fact that they’re already a billion dollar company. I did a case study on them years ago and it was cool to hear a corporate company was encouraging and paying their office employees to go out and hike/kayak/climb which is what their gear was intended for. Now you have a bunch of Silicon Valley tech bros wearing their vests and I’m sure they want to retain their image.
When you’re already making that much money they probably don’t feel the need to focus so much on squeezing as much profits as opposed to being sustainable. I mean if they offer lifetime warrant my they’re probably planning on sticking around for the long run
right? Especially for this brand in specific they want to keep clothes out of landfill … which is exactly what resellers do
@@DogMomKT true, this is main reason I don't understand these restrictions
Thank you! Easy to understand and straight to the point.
In December 2021, the European Center for Constitutional and Human Rights filed a criminal complaint in a Dutch court against Patagonia and other brands, alleging that they benefited from the use of forced Uyghur labor in Xinjiang.
I never knew this 😮 thank you for sharing!
Thanks so much for the info!
Thanks for the information
You have an amazing and relaxing voice. It’s so easy to listen to your voice.
And that brand you spoke of in the beginning, it's already selling used items from their brand on their website, just like the workout Lulu company from Canada. You will find less and less of it when sourcing.
Thank you so much!! Very informative!
Authorized 3rd party reseller? There is no such thing. These brands who issue copyright take downs on platforms like ebay are actually violating the laws of this nation. When you buy something, you own it, you can legally resell or do whatever you want with it. While its true that brands often have contractual agreements with distributors and retailers, those rules do not apply to consumers because consumers do not have a contractual agreement.
In the case of Patagonia telling its customers they can't resell their products, that is total baloney. Unless the customers actually signed a legal contract agreeing to those terms, they will never be honored in a court of law. As for those brands who issue IP take down notices to resellers, those resellers then have the right to sue the brand itself.
Brands know what the laws are, but they blatantly violate them anyway. On platforms like ebay, brands will often file claims with ebay claiming an item is counterfeit in order to get items removed from sale. In such cases resellers can then file lawsuits for defamation, harassment, and any losses/damage to their businesses that resulted from those takedowns.
Brands know they can't legally stop consumers from reselling their products, so they lie thru their teeth and make those bogus counterfeit claims.
Its going to take resellers to start filing lawsuits against these major brands who blatantly violate the law before it will ever stop.
REI, nordstrom, dick's. All authorized third party.
It's true, but they know we won't spend money on lawyers to fight it 🤷
Very informative. Thanks for this
You’re the best , Thank you so much for your time !
Great information. Truly. I hope that you eventually get the eBay thing worked out. I feel confident that you eventually will.
Great information Chris thank you
I have only bought items to resell. I’ve been selling on eBay for 20 years. I think I’m just gonna keep doing that ! Buying new to resell has not really interested me, but I was really fascinated to hear what the reasoning is behind it. I get the warranty thing, but if you put it in your listing that you cannot offer a warranty, wouldn’t that handle that? It is crazy that you can literally get banned from a store for reselling merchandise you bought there. Thank you so much for sharing this. I’m sure this will save many people a lot of grief.
Thankfully it’s only an issue w/ apparel items! Costume Jewelry (as long as it’s not designer) has less hassles & can have way better profit margins too!
Very helpful, thank you.
I will never buy a brand for personal use, pay full price and not be able to then resell it once I'm done using it. Makes no sense. The reselling of new items I kind of get.
Sick Incubus piece bro. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and journey with us. I learn so much about business and human psychology within business from you. So much love for Patagonia. Interesting they would take this stance on reselling their products.
Patagonia does not ask for proof of purchase when you are submitting repair request I have done it many times was successful results on all my gear
What scares me from reselling is the VERO. I've heard too many stories of being banned blindsighted out of nowhere out of the bloom.
This is why I don’t sell to Europe anymore to avoid this
So basically, you've banned yourself because you're afraid you might get banned.
I know a lot of stores have similar limits… Polo, CK, Tommy, North Face, Levi’s, etc… I have experienced recently because of excess inventory some of these stores aren’t limiting clearance items because they just want to get rid of units. I think some of their policies are fluid 🤷🏻♀️
Wow that was a very informative video. Thx u!
I got banned by Hibbett’s Sports from buying too many clearance items from their website. If their systems see my address on any order, they automatically cancel the order.
Thank you so much for such a informative tutorial.
I worked for a major retailer 20+ years ago who sold Levi's. We would get limited shipments. They put a cap on how many customers could buy at a time because they would take them to other countries & resell them.
Thank you for explaining that. I always assumed that once I purchased an item, it was mine and I could sell it.
That's the way it should be. A store has the right to tell you that you can't buy from them; fair enough, it's their store. But if they let you buy something, the moment it's yours and not theirs, their right to say what is done with it should end. It's a basic concept called "right of first sale." A person or a company should have the right to decide who they will sell to, and how much they sell it for, but after the sale is made their rights to that item should fully transfer to the person who now owns it. It's such a basic concept I don't even know why it needs to be said.
So helpful Chris! Great video!
Thank You!
Ferrari meet Patagonia - you 2 have alot in common.
I’d love to see law firms find ways to sue Patagonia. I own goods I should be able to set them on fire or do whatever I please to. It’s my belonging. Btw how do they ban a person? They cannot ID you when you enter the store. Or do they keep a database of banned people?! Makes no sense.
Maybe if you use a credit card it'll ban you from doing another future credit card purchase at their stores.
It’s a little different, but in the couponing world, companies started trying to go after people who couponed then resold. The Supreme Court ruled that once you buy a product, it’s yours and you can do whatever you want to. I guess the stores can ban who they want but couldn’t you just go in with cash? How would they know who you are then? Ordering online would be more tricky but I don’t see how they could stop you from buying in the store.
Great vlog!
Chris, did you actually buy any of the Patagonia that day, and what will you do w it? Cash or credit? I know you like to use credit to redeem points.
I literally had Louis Vuitton reps come to my store because someone reported me. No telling how far they traveled! It has to be previously owned.
This is stuff that never made sense to me. You buy that item, that item is yours, no longer theirs. You bought and paid for their brand. They make the stuff to sell. If you aren't using it anymore, who cares what happens to it? It's kinda like the tax thing. Dealers get charged a tax to get items, we buy items, pay tax. We sell item, buyer pays tax. Then we are taxed again for making over $600 in sales. Zero sense.
My county also taxes me when the stuff I'm reselling is sitting in my inventory. It's ridiculous.
@@JMidwestern I'm really starting to wonder when we are going to throw another tea party at this point. It's literally taxation without representation at this point.
Exactly the reason being is because they know how big the reselling industry is, they see us as a threat for there business.
@@JMidwestern how is that legal and how does that make sense?
@@loutewl6903 Exactly. What doesn't make sense to me is that there is literally ZERO movement by US citizens to put a stop to this endless tax BS. We keep slaving away to line pockets. Want to have your mind blown? Look at how much the annual salary is for congress, senate, etc. Then realize that all of them are millionaires. They didn't start off rich. They are all criminals, literally.
Thank you Chris!
i don't get why companies get mad at reselling, it's official products (none of that counterfeit nonsense), it's sold at reasonable prices (none of those scalping issues), because resellers are literally just the online version of a mom and pop shop
I worked in retail management and merchandising for 40 years. We had many vendors who we could not break price on. I always wondered why this does not fall under “price fixing” which is illegal.
It’s bc they have contracts with the manufacturer not other third party distributors
Got the info from my colleague @technsports
They are trying to establish that you have agreed to terms at the time of purchase. That makes it a contract. So you can't actually be banned unless you do something that violates the contract. This is where it gets grey because what they really want is to be able to do is ban you on an assumption that you have violated the contract and force you to decide if it's worth taking them to court. Same goes with strong-arming your sales platform into banning or suspending you. This is why resellers need better supportive legislation for class actions and other remedies.
There’s an auction here online that every couple of months they sell bags of Patagonia pants or shirts the same size and style, like 5 to a bag. Sometimes jackets too. They sell for good money but still way under full retail. I wondered if they were legit…
We have a source that buys close out shoes and sometimes clothes. They had a batch from Harley Davidson and another batch from Korkease. Neither brand would allow for online reselling. The shoes could only be sold offline. Needless to say, we didn’t buy any of either brand because we don’t have any offline selling avenues.
Great topic
Maybe you could hire some people to go in and buy thirty items, then pay in cash. Or maybe even recruit family and friends to help you get around their policy.
Very helpful.
What happens to the lower 1/3 you get rid of? Do you have a good recycling option?
I'd like to add on to the list that Covergirl is sending VERO's for any listing that you leave GSP on
What is gsp
I’m thinking it’s “global shipping program”?
I can confirm this. I only wish eBay would just delist the listing so that I can take off GSP instead of deleting it completely. 🤦🏻♀️
@@thriftyfashionation3321 and giving a vero 😫 I forgot 6 months later and accidentally listed another covergirl item and got a second one, definitely not good for my account
I haven’t seen any covergirl issues on Mercari, unless I’ve overlooked it.
So this is only for nwt items or is it also for used items? Like if I bring in a damaged pre-owned item for them to fix under warranty, how would they know how I came by it?
I am a minnow of a minnow of a seller but one problem brand i ran into for vintage purposes was Chanel. They forbid you from selling their vintage product unless under strict guidelines and one of those guidelines is it must come with all the original / undamaged packaging. As that is part of their brand experience . Other brands are similar to this but Chanel was the only one i have hada problem with thus far.
Thank you for all your valuable information..Helped me to get to the next level with a full time 9-5...your the reseller goat..
Good to know .. thank you!
Great video with great clear concise information and straight to the point. No clickbait or wasted sentences. Perfect video!
I think you laid this video out very well and it's super informative thank you! Question, so do I hear you right that you are basically saying there are companies out there that will play the game dirty? Even though as sellers we have rights to sell their product because of the first sale doctrine, are you saying that they will still report the item to eBay as fake or fraudulent to get eBay to get it off the site?
Also in your opinion do you have some top brands that overall you would just steer clear from regardless of how juicy the deal seems? For example this video is Patagonia but I have also heard through the grapevine trying to sell virtually anything made by Beachbody is really playing with fire in terms of being able to keep your eBay account? That there are some items they have ended cleaning their fake but also that if they see you trying to sell several of their items that they are one of the companies that will say all your items are fake and it'll possibly get you suspended from eBay or something like that? Do you have knowledge and thoughts on this and also any other companies you would watch out for?
Again great video, I liked this one. Might even be a good idea to do a part two on it? 👍
They’re trying to protect their brand
They can do more than ban you from eBay, some of the companies are filing lawsuits on resellers.
Is that why Marshals use a marker on the bottom of the shoes they sell. I recently notice the inside shoe tag has markers written on them
It is definitely nice to be able to say that I was there from the beginning of the reseller market boom and when I started 15 or so years ago it was nowhere near as popular as it is now and it was nice while it was quiet but now it seems like every time you go to the thrift store there's 35 people there are looking for the same thing no matter what time of day you go. If you do not have a connection established for sourcing then you know how hard it can be to find things at times
Well, you only have the RUclips vloggers to blame...
Loose lips, sink ships! 👍💯
@@just.j5302 I have never seen so many people find a cave of gold and then go blabbing about where the cave is. Like what did all these tiktok and youtubers expect
@@Getyourmomoffmygrom I've been dabbling since eBay was a year old, and I think a lot depends on where you are geographically too. People are stupid (for the most part). Oooh! I'm going to make RUclips content and make a fortune! 🤑🤑🤑 (Never thinking about what happens when everyone else decides to do the same... how're they going to make content now when there are no sourcing options left?) 🤣🤪 Smh...in our area, COVID decimated the yard sales...you hardly see any now.
Ridiculous!! If you buy it ITS YOURS!!!! Period!
Thank you Chris. Have a great week.
Home Depot will cancel your order if you buy too many Special Value Items from their website, I guess because they suspect you are a reseller.
Is so, why they still selling their return junk to the market with all those pallets around the country?
Good to know, thank you.
Hi If u could would u do a video on how to go about being an authorized dealer of anything or any knowledge u have on it and brands u shouldn’t even bother w ect …..
You usually need a reseller license in order to do that, that will mean you can also use it to not pay taxes on the goods you purchase wholesale for the purpose of resell. You may or may not need to register as a business, LLC at minimum, and get a tax id for the business (similar to your SSN, but for the business itself).
So in order of what you should file: LLC, tax id, then reseller license (which may be called a different name, depending on your state).
Unless this is specific to this particular company, MAP pricing limits the price you advertise. You can sell as low as you want when dealing with a customer but you cannot advertise or mark your price lower than the "Minimum Advertised Pricing" they assign
Great channel bro and Ebay they will not be around in 10 years trust me bro. Amazon will see to that. GREAT CHANNEL BRO
I buy entire stores that went out of business, if they don't want me selling their tears, they shouldn't have gone out of business. I don't consider that gray area. I will take any company that tries to vero me to court and win, since my items all came new from stores that closed due to the pandemic or something else, if they didn't want their stuff resold, they could have destroyed it or taken it back, but they elected to sell it, I'm protected by the first sale doctrine.
That’s ridiculous!
Enjoyed! 🌼🌼🌼
What do these companies charge to be able to sell their stuff new or do they just require you to sell at certain prices?
i really like their professionalism. taking the time and educate people
Patagonia isn't living by their promise to keep all their items out of landfills. as long as a certain profit margin is met then you can return the item. how is their mission statement met if they don't warrantee all their products that have made several people money down the chain of possession of their product?
If you resell a brand for half of retail it devalues the brand
How do you ban cash?
how can they ban someone in person though? They don’t check ID when people walk in.
I have sold used patagonia with no problems. my ebay app shows 8000+ patagonia items sold recently "new with tags".
Great detailed info Thank you so much
I got flagged for trying to sell a certain brands speed loader (for guns) I've sold a few other ones (from different brands) but this one I got told to remove it and that there brand is not allowed to be sold on eBay , warned me if I tried to re-list it, I could be suspended. I can't recall the brand though.
Patagonia is known for high quality and end use design in sometimes challenging environments so they rely on the functional integrity of their products so I understand why they exert control on the retail end. Authentic Patagonia can be useful and like new for decades.
Agreed
I live in Italy, do you think reselling is different?
So helpful - you just saved me from doing that with Coach
If you pay full price you can sell it and because you own it you can price it. If you work for company you cannot sell it for profit personal use only. If authorized dealer it has to be sold as same price as dealer is if you sell less they can pull line from your store. If bought from authorized dealer and you work for that place but you cannot sell. That's why alot of retail take your personal sizing and only let you buy in that size.
In 2001 Minnetonka donated a ton of boots to goodwill. All the boots had a hole punched in the sole of each boot. This marked it as donation. I guess a emp was reselling on eBay tons of them. I ended up with some and they didn't declare or shoe the holes. Minnetonka did it on purpose and ended up sueing the person that resold their donated items on eBay...
Why would a company donate those useless things? A boot with a hole in the sole gets the foot wet, pebbles get in, the heat from the pavement seeps in... 🤷
@@arodvaz1955 that's the way they I D them and they do not want them re sold for profit
Maybe there's another way of doing it without ruining the shoe. Like maybe doing the hole somewhere else? It's a bit like donating rotten food to keep people from reselling it. Which happens too.
@@arodvaz1955 true
I stopped buying everything like that, if I can't sell it after I buy it then I won't ever buy it. no company should get to tell me what I can and can't do with the item I buy from them and I will boycott them for life
I just read the owner of Patagonia just transferred all their stock to a nonprofit organization