12:43 Personally, those type of commenters need to keep to themselves. This setup is meant to be an add-on for those who already have systems or want to extend the life of an old laptop.
Exactly, for a mini pc liek this it might just be living on a desk and never moded around, or that 7700HQ with a weak 940MX GPU just got itself an upgrade to a 1060 or 1660.
@EMagnificent yes true. but lets say this is a temporary build for a "decent" laptop whereas the gpu and PS will go onto the full PC build later on. this is perfect as temporary upgrade to performance.
@EMagnificent My laptop is from 2014, but it's got a 4 core i7, 16 gigs, and ample storage. All benchmarks say that the rest of the hardware, aside from the graphics card, are mediocre, but more than useable for modern gaming. If I'm already running a better external wifi card, and it already lives on my desk full time, why shouldn't I use the MPCIE slot for a newer gpu? Bottlenecking? The most severe credible reports of performance loss are around 30%. I'm running an 860 right now. an EIGHT SIXTY. You mean to tell me that I won't get a measurable improvement for small bucks here? Theres reason to expect a VR ready setup, if only at the minimum requirements, with a good 10 series.
Also to add the performance loss is constant but within those figures stated. But this is much better than the 30% or so I thought it wsa going to be. A good overclock on some powerful cards can help make up the difference. Also the higher the resolution the lower the performance loss. For example 1080p could be 12%, 1440p 10% and 4k 7%
Not really surprised that there isn't a huge performance loss - PCIe 3.0 x4 provides the same bandwidth as PCIe 2.0 x8, which used to be fine for GPUs a few years ago. GPUs still aren't really taking advantage of the extra bandwidth provided by PCIe 3.0, it seems.
@@flaminyonguwu4034 , thanks for responding on that question. Also, does PCIe 4.0 x4 see a bottleneck with a eGPU considering its equal to PCIe 3.0 x8? I have an extra M.2 NVMe PCIe slot in my new Acer Nitro 5 but can not find what speeds it at.
Excellent video. Got myself the i9-9880H version of this mini PC (an absolute beast in such small form factor!) and toying with adding an eGPU to it. Either with the ADT or the EXP GDC v9
Extra information to add, the bandwidth/performance loss can be attributed to hwo the NVME/m2 slot is routed on the motherboard. If it is directly hooked onto the PCI express lanes of the CPU, you wont lose more than 5%. If it is hooked onto the lanes of the PCH, then it depends highly on the load of the PCH, if you have 2 others NVME drives, a TB3 etc on it, the performance will be much lower.
The reason you didn't lose much performance is you are using 1080p resolution. If you have a 2K or 4K screen, you should be able to see more performance loss, I think. Anyway, this seems to be a really practical solution for mini PC. Thanks for sharing.
Great video, I always wondered about doing this. Glad to see someone tested it and shared their results so cleanly. Also you should try this with AMD's new x570 boards. The new boards have M.2 PCIe x4 gen 4 slots which double the bandwidth of current gen 3 M.2 x4 slots. So there should be little to no decrease in performance for all cards that cost under $1000 :)
Interesting tech video with invaluable info on how to use a mini PC with Intel i7/ 8750H + M.2 NVMe External Graphics Card Stand to an external GPU !!! Thanks Scarboro
Chris, all the Thunderbolt 3 port use 4 lanes of PCI Express, not 8 lanes like a GPU slot in a Motherboard. Only the Alienware Customized Graphics Amplifier port can use 8 PCI Express Lanes for their Graphics Amplifier port. In this setup, the bandwidth you will get, will be theoretically same as any Thunderbolt 3 port with 4 lanes (40 Gbps). And there is currently no card in the market, may be apart from some highest end Quadro cards, which can saturate PCIe 3.0 8 lanes. The actual bandwidth provided by the GPU is way below that. So, using 4 lanes will not really cut the bandwidth 4 times.
This kind of setup is wonderful if you don't need the eGPU all the time. The portability of the mini-PC is really useful. For an average user it doesn't make sense of course but for advanced users that are at low budget, there aren't many other options that makes sense.
just a note... do not EVER put electronics onto anti-static bags :) throw them away after unpacking, the outside is HIGHLY conductive and has a risk of killing the electronics :) really nice video thou! thanks for that!
Some laptops/systems block additional devices from being added meaning you would then need to get hold of a bios which has been modified to "Whitelist" addons such as these. I had to do this a couple of years ago for my Dell laptop. Once the hassle of finding the correct bios and flashing was done, it preformed great! Whilst they are an option for upgrading the graphics, they are not always as simple as P&P.
The only problem is cost. $90-100 is too much for just the connector. Then you need power source also & cabinet for GPU. So it bumps up the cost very significantly.
this connector is only 40$ in china ,but you the shipping cost another 40$....And I buy an used connector half years ago for only 30$ because shipping in china only cost 3$ ...
@@user-cp3jt1tb3e Nops. That's not the case. Shipping is not $40. Chinese manufactured products have different pricing for outside customers. Since you are in China, they are selling at lower price. I once enquired for Luxcine projector. They quoted me 300 initially thinking that I am Chinese but when they got to know that I am outside China, they quoted $600. Another instance was reported by another user who told that he purchased Jxd 192k model for $150 while in china. But for outside China, it's available for more than double the price..
@@xostler So is this video aimed at people who already have a very capable system having M.2 which lacks only a powerful GPU? M.2 is a newer port, so it's not present in older systems. Not many people buy that kind of setup without thinking about future needs. See, my point is that instead of investing money in these upgrades & not extracting the full potential of the card, it's better to build a newer & better system. Ryzen based system can be built with same 1060 GPU by investing just a touch more money. That system can be later upgraded by changing the card and you will still extract full performance of the GPU rather than loosing 10-20% like in this setup.
@@roostergentry No, not yet. The USB4 stardard was just announced and you should be able to buy a USB4 supported device next year. USB4 is basically Thunderbolt 3, so in theory, any computer with it should be able to support an EGPU. So I'm sure they will refresh this technology with USB4 when it comes out.
@@ezg8448 Yeah, I think it's going to open up many possibilities. Multiple monitor set-ups, daisy-chaining, egpus etc... I'd love to be able to get a cheap tablet or laptop and hook up and an egpu and a 4k monitor.
ADT tech has maded a usb4(thunderbot3) version ,but the price is too high(about 300$),the reason they using m.2 is m.2 is just pcie 3.0 x4,but thunderbot3 needs a chip(about 200$) to translate into pcie3.0 x4...
I know fo a fact that this wasnt possible untill they invented this 4x NVME connectors...Now this can be used in any small laptop with ease..Nice review!
@@cocosloan3748 No, you didn't. The original comment is still there: *"untill they invented this 4x NVME connectors"* Regardless, you're still wrong. MSI GS30 Gaming Box has an x16 Interface to the external GPU and is 5 years old. And there were much older x16 laptop docks before that. Quite common for workstation grade business laptops.
@@dan8t669 You are talking about "docks" im talking about cheap e-GPU (external gpu) solutions.Untill now they all worked x1 pci mode.Hence they didnt utilise the full power of gpu-s..
@@cocosloan3748 Again, no. You were talking about *"4x NVME connectors"* and how it wasn't possible before. Which is wrong. Another example: First generation Alienware graphics amplifier used a proprietary cable to deliver 4 pci-e lanes to its e-GPU, *NOT* x1. And it too was released way before NVMe came out.
For those wondering about all this when it comes to editing videos. You want a better CPU with more cores to take priority over the GPU, but with that in mind, im getting a similar setup to this to make my current laptop which has a 520 gpu run way better. the gpu will help alot with encoding. This is temporary since i dont have ALL the money to build a full blown PC. so im buying a power supply which will be added to my PC build along with a GPU that i choose. at that point it looks like i wasted $50 on the adapter butttt. I can always use it later on since i dont have the other $500 to complete my PC build with motherboard, CPU, case, SSD, RAM.
OR, just get yourself a Editing Video software that 90% runs on GPU instead of CPU. Don't tell me you haven't heard about it. I'm currently editing video on Dual Core i3 6th gen but paired with GTX 1660ti. Everything went smoother than my old Video Editing software since GPU took most of the Processing. Seriously just get a Software that runs on GPU instead of CPU.
This was never meant to be a portable solution though for me. It's fun to have these kind of setup and you may hide the GPU somewhere to make it barely visible (you may need a longer cable for that and expect more performance loss) But I'd better go with an ITX build if I really want to have a powerful gaming PC in a small form factor
The sad reality of the PCIe 3.0 x16 is that its basicly never used. I have mine set up in PCIe 3.0 at x4 and it posts the exact same benchmarks as the x16 slot. All tests done at 4K resolution. Tests were done on GTA5 online, Arma3, Fortnight, PUBG, all standard 3D benchmarks. At x4 x8 and x16 all tests results remained the same. Im using a i7 7700K with a 1080ti with 16 gigs ram. In conclusion I believe your 5-12% loss is with the "ADT-link R43SG" itself. Not because its set to x4. I hoped this helped.
Aurummorituri re-read what I typed. I'm using a GTX 1080ti. I'm seeing no loss at all. What I'm trying to say is there really isn't games out that actually even use 8x let alone 16x.
4k is close to hitting the gpu's limits so pci-e bandwidth does not matter so much in your case. trying a lower res like 1080, the gpu will be able to push a lot more frames, so bandwidth will be a bigger problem. you should try it and see what kind of loss there is with the x4 speed vs x16. but in general no gpu can exceed pci-e 3.0 x8 bandwidth currrently.
@@giornikitop5373 same results. nothing changed from the 1080p across the board when compared to x4 vs x8 vs x16. Believe me. I was just as shocked as you are. Now don't misunderstand what i just said. There was a huge frame increase from 4k to 1080. What im saying is there was no difference in frame comparison with 4k vs 1080p at 4 8 and 16x.
@@Techtablets I have eGPU setup too, and i don't see anything bad in it. It's great to have ability to take the laptop with me and when i'm done to just plug the ExpressCard cable in and continue
This eGPU dock is amazing!!! I didn't know this existed or I would have gotten it for my laptop instead of my gaming PC that is only budget. Though my laptop only has two cores but I upgraded it to 8gb of ram and I don't mind modding the laptop to add support for the mini PCIE slot. But where did you get the power brick from to power the eGPU? I have been looking for one for years like that and can't find one. I travel all the time and want a really small system. I know I could use an ITX PC but that still uses an atx psu and this is even smaller then an atx psu: True SFF goodness!! This would be awesome to try out with the Asrock Desk Mini for Ryzen that is coming out soon!! :) Thank you so much for this video!!!!!!!
I've read somewhere that the perfomance drop through x4 lanes is -as you said- at a maximum of 15%. But unfortunately that applies only to cards UP TO the 1060 and in the FullHD range. If you go higher to a 1070/1080 or 2070/2080 and you want to handle 2k or even 4k you have to be ready for a greater perfomance loss as the transferred data is then way more as what the x4 lanes can handle. Would really like a second video as comparison with the 1080 and 4k. But thats probably a bit too much of an investment for only one video. (buuuuut you could start playing vr with it, which I would highly recommend. ^_^)
TB3 operates over an x4 PCIE connection, so I’m curious as to how you gained more performance from one of Nvidia’s lowest tiered cards. Now if you tested a 1080 or 1080TI and it performed better than TB3 that’d make more sense
i think the pcie 4x has a direct path to the cpu while the tb3 needs to go to the tb3 controller first then the processor. so theres more performance hit in tb3. this is pretty much the same as the alienware graphics amplifier implementation minus the custom connector. thats just my theory. i have an alienware alpha that i upgraded the egpu by connecting it via the ngff pcie wifi card.
@@ronaldsanpedro1976 what sort of loss do you get on the alpha on the graphics side in terms of % on the full external gpu potential? it's only 1x lane on the alpha where the wifi card goes isn't it? isn't it an m.2 connection?
@@huzcer alot. Im just getting about 60-70% of the performance of my graphics card ( vega 64 ). I retired my alpha and end up just building a small itx gaming pc build. ( Dan a4 sfx v3) so i can upgrade the components in the future. If your dead set on the AW alpha size gaming pc, the most powerful you can get is from zotac. Its called magnus en1070k. Or if you ok with something a little bigger, get the watercooled zotac en1080k with a gtx 1080. Although its not upgradable just like the aw alpha. Hence i just build a sff gaming pc. Although i do sometimes miss the aw alpha's size on stock form. Once you add an egpu, it becomes bothersome size wise.
just got today gtx 1060 3 gb from ali for my mini pc( exactly same as yours) and it wont work with some adapters that i bought so was looking answers in yt and i found your video, tnx for this!!
Hey mate, great video. Something I've been very curious about. One point with the performance decrease, it is probably coming from the lack of CPU core speed, rather than the limitations of bandwidth.
Awesome video. I was looking for something like this for a while now and your video made me pull the trigger on mini pc with the i9 8950, but also the external nvme stand. Thank you for the insights! I have a few questions. Will the dell power supply be ok for the newer gtx 1660ti? What about 2060? Do you know any other similar external power supplies with more power?
Hi! amazing video! opened my eyes to the new option this might provide for people with limited options!. i have an old laptop ; Asus N55vx my question is can use this method on my laptop to upgrade the GPU ?
I did a written comparison a decade ago, with the AMD 5770, and got about the same results even then. 2% was lost when using 8x PCIe, which could be the case if running SLI in some motherboards (16x+1x OR 8x+8x options). Anyways, cheers.
Why don't manufacturers make M.2 Graphic card and M.2 Ram, they can add M.2 SSD and Graphics on a single M.2 chip so that it will work extremely-fast (at small nm architecture) for video editing and gaming for those who don't have PCI slots in their laptop???
I know we are in 2019 already, but there's no such thing as an "old laptop" with an M2 NVMe slot, come on. For all the old laptops there is the EXP GDC with mini PCIe. I agree that this ADT-link adapter is better than the EXP GDC using M2 NVMe, but this is NOT a solution for old laptops. Great video, though. Thanks!
My concern is how do you turn this device on and off? And what does it do with its (180w) power when its not turned on? As far as i know the pc normally controls power draw, if so is that just 180w sitting live on your desk?
@@Techtablets ps. If you wanna do something more "geeky", you can hook up your monitor in to the iGPU and adjust settings to use 3D apps on the NVIDIA GPU in the Windows 10 settings. However, with this setup you'll lose the ability to use NVIDIA control panel itself. If you need them to be adjusted, you can do it before switching the plug to iGPU.
Incredible idea, was looking for some ideas for sff and this pops up. Btw if you have access to taobao you can get it at around 35, plus shipment it should still be cheaper than aliexpress.
AFAIK all native m key m.2 slots has access to x4 lanes of PCIE 3.0, bandwidth at 3.94 GB/s, compared to ThunderBolt3's 5GB/s. However since this m key interface connects directly to PCIE lanes it should theoretically have no additional signal conversion which induces latency. 4GB/s is enough for most of 2019's cards with exception of current flagships like 2080 Ti and Radeon VII. The reduced latency means much more consistent frametime and framerate. AND BESIDES, THE THUNDERBOLT CONNECTION PRICE IS WAY TOO HIGH TO OUT-COMPETE SOMETHING THAT UTILIZES THE SAME BUS THAT THE GRAPHIC CARD WAS DESIGNED FOR, FUCK THUNDERBOLT! Well I hope more laptop come out with M key m.2 slots :)
Great video, fun project and perhaps not that realistic for every day use but it does work. I am so tempted by the Partaker Mini PC with the updated Intel Core i7 8550U Quad Core cpu but I fear it still has HDMI 1.4a but it seems they have included a M.2 slot. Can not decide if a Intel NUC is a better option compared to that nice passive cooling. This small computer would have been epic with the AMD Ryzen 2400G or 2400GE at least in terms of much better performance with the Vega 11 graphics.
my motherboard can only run on x2, is there a decrease in performance from M.2 PCIe x4, that's what makes me doubt, please help me!!!!. btw my laptop ACER E5 476G can I use this M.2 PCIe x4
Yes, with x2. PCIe x4 might see a 2-10% decrease compared to x8-16 but so does Thunderbolt 3, I think. PCIe 4.0 x4 is equal to PCIe 3.0 x8 so keep that in mind too.
I'm looking for something like this, except I need it to be PCIe 4.0 x16... I'd like for an adapter to sit in the x16 slot on the machine, that exposes the connection externally through one of the slots at the back. Any ideas?
Excelent review. its what I was looking to upgrade my Hp AIO gt950m card. Which is m2 btw. Can you post where to buy the external power supply with 8 pins? I couldn't find any at aliexepress. Thanks
I got the gtx 1060 3gb used for £90 and enclosure for £25 and external GDC EXP Beast for £45 with Dell power supply. I got 2*4gb DDR4 2666mhz £53 and 256gb nvme for £41 and after cashback the main computer £288 before customs. £540 total before customs considering a laptop with same spec is £1000 roughly sometimes less or slower SSD and slower DDR4 I'd say this is still a better buy than a complete self built kit especially if wanting intel processor.
What about a M.2 to PCIe with a Thunderbolt 4 card slotted? Then connect a TB4 eGPU. Should require less space in the case and give more security/flexibility to the GPU placement.
I got the exp gdc beast a/e key for wifi card adapter it is pci x1 and it definitely impedes performance. I am ordering a r43sg for the nvme pci x4 connection. Lesson learned.
My primary desktop is a 5900X and I recently moved to Europe so I've been without my PC for a few weeks now. I think i'd prefer a solution like this for the ease of moving.
The title of the video is incorrect. Please remove the apostrophe from "eGPU's". An apostrophe here indicates ownership, but you meant to indicate plural.
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Dell PSU is 220W. The GPU is roughly 350-400W. Am I missing something? The GPU should fail under load.
I have in the past and it's because you loose a little performance with TB3 due to he way it's designed. But it's much cleaner and better looking than this set up even if a little tiny bit slower
Huh. I wonder how well the i9 version you reviewed a bit ago would work with say, an RTX 2070 or something. That could be a really slick setup, especially with a portable battery bank! (Not using the GPU of course)
I am also very curious if this works with the RTX 2060 for example. I am waiting for the mini pc with i9 and for the external stand. I want to buy a rtx 2060 and I am concerned about the compatibility (eventhough, it will most probably be recognized). Even if I lose about 15-20%, I would still be ok with it :P
TB3 is 40 Gbps though vs the 32Gbps you said you're getting with this. This is an interesting device though. I recently built an ITX system which has a TB3 port, but it turns out it's only capable of running at x2. The motherboard has 2x M.2 slots, (one on the front, one on the back) so I could conceivably connect this adapter to the back of it and run a 2nd GPU if I wanted. Not really necessary since it's an ITX board with a full x16 slot (using an RTX 2070 Super), but just for giggles it'd be interesting to be able to run 2 cards from an ITX box. Cool video anyway.
Nice job! I really like modular designs. I wonder now with PCIe 4.0 widely available (on higher-end Ryzen MoBos) are there similar eGPU converters for PCIe 4.0m and wouldn't the PCIe 4.0 even at x4 would be plenty of bandwidth to not cap your GPU performance? If it is I might consider making an eGPU housing to complement my Lenovo c940 15" (that only has gtx 1650 maxQ inside) or even other ultrabooks that only have integrated graphics. (I already made SFF 12.5 liters ITX desktop with i9-9900K & rtx2080ti, fully water-cooled with aluminium 360 radiator, at total weight just under 6kg ... so I think I should be able to manage that as long as the electronics are available and working fine - I mean a M.2-PCIe-4.0-x4/NVMe to eGPU converter)
I love the idea.... pretty cool stuff! Now can you use both ADT-link, get 2 x 1060 and get the SLI to work? Any idea on a good external case to protect the graphics card? thx.
The concept of SLI is actually to divide the job of PCIe 3.0 x16. When you're running 1 GPU card on desktop, You're using PCIe 3.0 x16. But when you're using 2 GPU cards SLI, the x16 becoming x8*2 not x16*2. That being said, SLI eGPU will run at PCIe x2*2 and the bandwidth Loss is just crazy.
That's very interesting video, thank you! Also, I have a question for you. I've seen, that you live in Spain, is that true? If yes - do you have any reliable source of information about taxes? If I want to buy some tech (phone/laptop) from China (Ali/GearBest), how much will I pay as tax? And will I have problems with customs? Once more, great video!
Hi, well all depends on the postage method. Anything using express couriers liek DHL, FedEx or TNT it's taxed. But free shipping like correos, eu priority comes tax free to me. But can take 2 weeks.
Great video!. My main question is can you unplug that egpu after the drivers are set up, restart and then use the original graphics? I want to basically make a plug and play egpu, but I can't find a definate answer?
TechTablets, thinking about picking up a new thin & light for senior year of high-school and college. Should I get a used Thinkpad X1 Carbon or shell out for a Teclast F7 Plus or similar laptop? I'm coming from a 2017 Acer Cloudbook 14, the N3060 one, and I'm shooting for graphics performance as fast as an NVidia GT610 since I do a lot of 3D work. Edit: Make that a T450S
@@battlefield5cheaters758 Was there any problems installing the card? I build a similar setup but I get Code 43 with my Geforce 1050TI and my ASUS N552VX
this is a really bad review and here is why. You are missing that this is about fps/resolution over the pcie lane, meaning higher fps or resolution will give you a higher bottleneck situation, higher tier card = more bottle neck. Doing this on a laptop using the build in screen will cut your pcie lane in half because you have to send the signal back = NOT AN OPTION. On a card like the 2060 you will loose around 20-25% depending on resolution and fps, making this a very expensive solution.
He did mention that this is for people doing some light video editing or light gaming. So in other words for poor college students that only have laptops and can't offered to buy a whole new setup to game or video edit. I do find this as a good solution for people on a low budget that already have laptops and can't afford to spend money on, monitor, case, MOBO, video card, ram, HDD, and or a disc drive. So in a video editing situation, the GPU will take care of the work load.
@@DaBrown101 Maybe I didn't make it clear in my post, but by using your laptops build in monitor you are looking at a 50-60% performance cut because of the return signal on the pcie lane, which is already bottle necked. so buying a 1060 card + the ADT-link R43SG and getting a 50-60% performance cut on that is in my book a very poor return of investment. Using an even higher tier card will only make it worse. I have an intel i5 nuc 8 gen from intel myself, and have been looking into this option myself either by thunderbolt or mpcie, but either way i'll be looking at a performance cut on minimum 20% by using a 2060 card, which is too much for me. The issue here is that the review dosn't really address these issues.
@@mrk3047 I see what you mean now, sorry for the misunderstanding. But at least it got have an old laptop and want to game a little you can buy one of those GPUs but yea if you wanna get better performance you're gonna need a desktop then at that point
If i use this adapter for my laptop, do I need to connect the egpu to an external monitor or will I be able to connect the egpu back to my laptop via hmdi?
@ 0:14 Also noticed that, but just assumed it was a picture taken while the build was still in progress 🤷🤷🤷 Good eye, by the way, thought I was the only one that noticed that by skimming through the comments 👍👍👍
Nice. But compare Desktop/vs NUC in real life. Like 4k render, games, works in PS/Autocad with same card, power consumption. PC with 4 cores? I gues 8750H NUC will be 10% slower but twice effiency in heat/noise and power consumption.
If you see my main review of it there is more info. But yes power consumption is so much lower. Huge difference. And it still edits my 4k videos fine in the studio when I do. It feels as fast as my desktop in everything normal day use etc. And most of the time I never even hear it. The fan is almost off, just a low RPM only when encoding and editing really it becomes a hum.
the real kicker would be how thin a pc based on a laptop motherboard could be. take everything apart, get an aio for your gpu, and the whole thing could be thinner than the barebones you got there.
You really go above and beyond for your reviews. Absolute legend
Yes, a legend in missing the point that 4x pick is the limiter here, not thunderbolt. Put a 16x pci-x board and you are solved the speed.
12:43 Personally, those type of commenters need to keep to themselves. This setup is meant to be an add-on for those who already have systems or want to extend the life of an old laptop.
Exactly, for a mini pc liek this it might just be living on a desk and never moded around, or that 7700HQ with a weak 940MX GPU just got itself an upgrade to a 1060 or 1660.
@EMagnificent You're a fool's errand.
@EMagnificent yes true. but lets say this is a temporary build for a "decent" laptop whereas the gpu and PS will go onto the full PC build later on. this is perfect as temporary upgrade to performance.
@EMagnificent My laptop is from 2014, but it's got a 4 core i7, 16 gigs, and ample storage. All benchmarks say that the rest of the hardware, aside from the graphics card, are mediocre, but more than useable for modern gaming. If I'm already running a better external wifi card, and it already lives on my desk full time, why shouldn't I use the MPCIE slot for a newer gpu? Bottlenecking? The most severe credible reports of performance loss are around 30%. I'm running an 860 right now. an EIGHT SIXTY. You mean to tell me that I won't get a measurable improvement for small bucks here? Theres reason to expect a VR ready setup, if only at the minimum requirements, with a good 10 series.
@@Techtablets This Will Work with a MSI GT80s Titan? It has 2 NVME slots
Also to add the performance loss is constant but within those figures stated. But this is much better than the 30% or so I thought it wsa going to be. A good overclock on some powerful cards can help make up the difference. Also the higher the resolution the lower the performance loss. For example 1080p could be 12%, 1440p 10% and 4k 7%
Hey! what if you use an NVMe PCIE USB3.1 HDD Enclosure M.2 to USB Type C 3.1 Hard Disk Drive Case, would it work? it would make it usb :)
You can connect it to xiaomi mi notebook pro. Will you do a test!?!
What game you played after the Witcher 3 gameplay? Thanks in advance.
@@bmwm3gtr3250 Resident Evil 2 remake
@@micheleschiavo i would like to know to cause i have pc with GTX 980ti but when i am away from PC, like at parent house i want my fps with me :)
Not really surprised that there isn't a huge performance loss - PCIe 3.0 x4 provides the same bandwidth as PCIe 2.0 x8, which used to be fine for GPUs a few years ago. GPUs still aren't really taking advantage of the extra bandwidth provided by PCIe 3.0, it seems.
only one card that exceeds x8 speed and that is currently the 2080Ti and only in some tests.
hello, im a noob in the p.c world but can someone tell me if this egpu will be compatible with a M.2 2280 slot?
@@npaz24 yeah, there is no bandwith losing, all m.2 nvme are the same, just be careful with the screws
@@flaminyonguwu4034 , thanks for responding on that question. Also, does PCIe 4.0 x4 see a bottleneck with a eGPU considering its equal to PCIe 3.0 x8? I have an extra M.2 NVMe PCIe slot in my new Acer Nitro 5 but can not find what speeds it at.
@@captureinsidethesound did you solved? Im on your shoes
These are exactly the kind of videos I want to see, keep it interesting and keep up the good work man.
I ordered the Core i9 8950HK version. Will see if I can overclock it okay, thermals and maybe even later get a better cooler for it.
Excellent video. Got myself the i9-9880H version of this mini PC (an absolute beast in such small form factor!) and toying with adding an eGPU to it. Either with the ADT or the EXP GDC v9
Extra information to add, the bandwidth/performance loss can be attributed to hwo the NVME/m2 slot is routed on the motherboard. If it is directly hooked onto the PCI express lanes of the CPU, you wont lose more than 5%. If it is hooked onto the lanes of the PCH, then it depends highly on the load of the PCH, if you have 2 others NVME drives, a TB3 etc on it, the performance will be much lower.
The reason you didn't lose much performance is you are using 1080p resolution. If you have a 2K or 4K screen, you should be able to see more performance loss, I think. Anyway, this seems to be a really practical solution for mini PC. Thanks for sharing.
It's the opposite. The higher res, the lower performance loss. Same case for TB3.
Great video, I always wondered about doing this. Glad to see someone tested it and shared their results so cleanly. Also you should try this with AMD's new x570 boards. The new boards have M.2 PCIe x4 gen 4 slots which double the bandwidth of current gen 3 M.2 x4 slots. So there should be little to no decrease in performance for all cards that cost under $1000 :)
Interesting tech video with invaluable info on how to use a mini PC with Intel i7/ 8750H + M.2 NVMe External Graphics Card Stand to an external GPU !!! Thanks Scarboro
Chris, all the Thunderbolt 3 port use 4 lanes of PCI Express, not 8 lanes like a GPU slot in a Motherboard. Only the Alienware Customized Graphics Amplifier port can use 8 PCI Express Lanes for their Graphics Amplifier port. In this setup, the bandwidth you will get, will be theoretically same as any Thunderbolt 3 port with 4 lanes (40 Gbps). And there is currently no card in the market, may be apart from some highest end Quadro cards, which can saturate PCIe 3.0 8 lanes. The actual bandwidth provided by the GPU is way below that. So, using 4 lanes will not really cut the bandwidth 4 times.
This kind of setup is wonderful if you don't need the eGPU all the time. The portability of the mini-PC is really useful. For an average user it doesn't make sense of course but for advanced users that are at low budget, there aren't many other options that makes sense.
just a note... do not EVER put electronics onto anti-static bags :) throw them away after unpacking, the outside is HIGHLY conductive and has a risk of killing the electronics :)
really nice video thou! thanks for that!
Some laptops/systems block additional devices from being added meaning you would then need to get hold of a bios which has been modified to "Whitelist" addons such as these.
I had to do this a couple of years ago for my Dell laptop.
Once the hassle of finding the correct bios and flashing was done, it preformed great!
Whilst they are an option for upgrading the graphics, they are not always as simple as P&P.
thanks for letting me know this setup, i have this mini pc and i am going to buy the things
The only problem is cost. $90-100 is too much for just the connector. Then you need power source also & cabinet for GPU. So it bumps up the cost very significantly.
this connector is only 40$ in china ,but you the shipping cost another 40$....And I buy an used connector half years ago for only 30$ because shipping in china only cost 3$ ...
@@user-cp3jt1tb3e Nops. That's not the case. Shipping is not $40. Chinese manufactured products have different pricing for outside customers. Since you are in China, they are selling at lower price. I once enquired for Luxcine projector. They quoted me 300 initially thinking that I am Chinese but when they got to know that I am outside China, they quoted $600. Another instance was reported by another user who told that he purchased Jxd 192k model for $150 while in china. But for outside China, it's available for more than double the price..
Not necessarily: now you don't have so buy another new mobo, ram, cpu, monitor etc.
@@xostler So is this video aimed at people who already have a very capable system having M.2 which lacks only a powerful GPU? M.2 is a newer port, so it's not present in older systems. Not many people buy that kind of setup without thinking about future needs. See, my point is that instead of investing money in these upgrades & not extracting the full potential of the card, it's better to build a newer & better system. Ryzen based system can be built with same 1060 GPU by investing just a touch more money. That system can be later upgraded by changing the card and you will still extract full performance of the GPU rather than loosing 10-20% like in this setup.
Dr Mayank Singh nah man I mean like a laptop. Now you don't necessarily need to have two completely different PCs
Can't wait for the USB4 version! ;)
Has there been one announced?
@@roostergentry No, not yet. The USB4 stardard was just announced and you should be able to buy a USB4 supported device next year. USB4 is basically Thunderbolt 3, so in theory, any computer with it should be able to support an EGPU. So I'm sure they will refresh this technology with USB4 when it comes out.
USB4 looks very good, not just the technical standard but not requiring or minimal licensing costs will make it available everywhere
@@ezg8448 Yeah, I think it's going to open up many possibilities. Multiple monitor set-ups, daisy-chaining, egpus etc... I'd love to be able to get a cheap tablet or laptop and hook up and an egpu and a 4k monitor.
ADT tech has maded a usb4(thunderbot3) version ,but the price is too high(about 300$),the reason they using m.2 is m.2 is just pcie 3.0 x4,but thunderbot3 needs a chip(about 200$) to translate into pcie3.0 x4...
Nicely done and super informative!
I know fo a fact that this wasnt possible untill they invented this 4x NVME connectors...Now this can be used in any small laptop with ease..Nice review!
You're wrong. This has been done way before NVMe and Thunderbolt.
@@dan8t669 I said-"x4 speeds werent possible" I know those E-GPU exsist even before 4-5 years but they worked on x1 speed!
@@cocosloan3748 No, you didn't. The original comment is still there: *"untill they invented this 4x NVME connectors"*
Regardless, you're still wrong.
MSI GS30 Gaming Box has an x16 Interface to the external GPU and is 5 years old.
And there were much older x16 laptop docks before that. Quite common for workstation grade business laptops.
@@dan8t669 You are talking about "docks" im talking about cheap e-GPU (external gpu) solutions.Untill now they all worked x1 pci mode.Hence they didnt utilise the full power of gpu-s..
@@cocosloan3748 Again, no. You were talking about *"4x NVME connectors"* and how it wasn't possible before. Which is wrong.
Another example:
First generation Alienware graphics amplifier used a proprietary cable to deliver 4 pci-e lanes to its e-GPU, *NOT* x1. And it too was released way before NVMe came out.
For those wondering about all this when it comes to editing videos. You want a better CPU with more cores to take priority over the GPU, but with that in mind, im getting a similar setup to this to make my current laptop which has a 520 gpu run way better. the gpu will help alot with encoding. This is temporary since i dont have ALL the money to build a full blown PC. so im buying a power supply which will be added to my PC build along with a GPU that i choose. at that point it looks like i wasted $50 on the adapter butttt. I can always use it later on since i dont have the other $500 to complete my PC build with motherboard, CPU, case, SSD, RAM.
OR, just get yourself a Editing Video software that 90% runs on GPU instead of CPU. Don't tell me you haven't heard about it.
I'm currently editing video on Dual Core i3 6th gen but paired with GTX 1660ti. Everything went smoother than my old Video Editing software since GPU took most of the Processing.
Seriously just get a Software that runs on GPU instead of CPU.
@@ClayWheeler which software do you use?
This is awesome . Nice concept for small computing.
This was never meant to be a portable solution though for me. It's fun to have these kind of setup and you may hide the GPU somewhere to make it barely visible (you may need a longer cable for that and expect more performance loss)
But I'd better go with an ITX build if I really want to have a powerful gaming PC in a small form factor
I've done ITX in the past it was fun. Now, this mini PC sits in the studio for editing work and other PC stuff like HDMI screen capture.
The sad reality of the PCIe 3.0 x16 is that its basicly never used. I have mine set up in PCIe 3.0 at x4 and it posts the exact same benchmarks as the x16 slot. All tests done at 4K resolution. Tests were done on GTA5 online, Arma3, Fortnight, PUBG, all standard 3D benchmarks. At x4 x8 and x16 all tests results remained the same. Im using a i7 7700K with a 1080ti with 16 gigs ram.
In conclusion I believe your 5-12% loss is with the "ADT-link R43SG" itself. Not because its set to x4. I hoped this helped.
For a lower power card this is true, but something like a 1070 or stronger will need a x8 to not have losses. A 1080 ti will see definite loss at x8.
Aurummorituri re-read what I typed. I'm using a GTX 1080ti. I'm seeing no loss at all. What I'm trying to say is there really isn't games out that actually even use 8x let alone 16x.
4k is close to hitting the gpu's limits so pci-e bandwidth does not matter so much in your case. trying a lower res like 1080, the gpu will be able to push a lot more frames, so bandwidth will be a bigger problem. you should try it and see what kind of loss there is with the x4 speed vs x16. but in general no gpu can exceed pci-e 3.0 x8 bandwidth currrently.
@@giornikitop5373 same results. nothing changed from the 1080p across the board when compared to x4 vs x8 vs x16. Believe me. I was just as shocked as you are.
Now don't misunderstand what i just said. There was a huge frame increase from 4k to 1080. What im saying is there was no difference in frame comparison with 4k vs 1080p at 4 8 and 16x.
@@giornikitop5373 when you start pushing VR at 4k is when i think it will start to show itself as a problem.
Some people just say it's stupid because it's not as plug and play as thunderbolt 3 or is not as good as desktop. They don't understand..
True for a mini pc that will live on a desk this is perfectly fine to me.
@@Techtablets I have eGPU setup too, and i don't see anything bad in it. It's great to have ability to take the laptop with me and when i'm done to just plug the ExpressCard cable in and continue
Thunderbolt 3 is still to expensive.
@@Techtablets I'm confused, did I miss the part where the GPU was tested on a TB3 eGPU or compared to TB3 results from elsewhere?
Awesome video!! I really love stuff like this where one experiments and try different things :). Good stuff!
This eGPU dock is amazing!!! I didn't know this existed or I would have gotten it for my laptop instead of my gaming PC that is only budget. Though my laptop only has two cores but I upgraded it to 8gb of ram and I don't mind modding the laptop to add support for the mini PCIE slot. But where did you get the power brick from to power the eGPU? I have been looking for one for years like that and can't find one. I travel all the time and want a really small system. I know I could use an ITX PC but that still uses an atx psu and this is even smaller then an atx psu: True SFF goodness!! This would be awesome to try out with the Asrock Desk Mini for Ryzen that is coming out soon!! :) Thank you so much for this video!!!!!!!
I got the Dell DU-2 8 pin power brick from Ebay.co.uk it was about 25 euros.
@@Techtablets Thank you very much! That is a great price.
Very Cool dude, I was always super curious about the performance hit of those adapters.
Any m.2 on laptops will do as well?I dont mind slight bandwidth loss,ofcourse its gonna be better than any hd630/amd apu
I've read somewhere that the perfomance drop through x4 lanes is -as you said- at a maximum of 15%.
But unfortunately that applies only to cards UP TO the 1060 and in the FullHD range.
If you go higher to a 1070/1080 or 2070/2080 and you want to handle 2k or even 4k you have to be ready for a greater perfomance loss as the transferred data is then way more as what the x4 lanes can handle.
Would really like a second video as comparison with the 1080 and 4k. But thats probably a bit too much of an investment for only one video. (buuuuut you could start playing vr with it, which I would highly recommend. ^_^)
Hi, well it was the Firestrike Ultra test in 4K there.
@@Techtablets woah, missed that. Thanks for clarifying! Would be even more interesting to know how beefier cards would get handled!
TB3 operates over an x4 PCIE connection, so I’m curious as to how you gained more performance from one of Nvidia’s lowest tiered cards. Now if you tested a 1080 or 1080TI and it performed better than TB3 that’d make more sense
i think the pcie 4x has a direct path to the cpu while the tb3 needs to go to the tb3 controller first then the processor. so theres more performance hit in tb3. this is pretty much the same as the alienware graphics amplifier implementation minus the custom connector. thats just my theory. i have an alienware alpha that i upgraded the egpu by connecting it via the ngff pcie wifi card.
@@ronaldsanpedro1976 what sort of loss do you get on the alpha on the graphics side in terms of % on the full external gpu potential? it's only 1x lane on the alpha where the wifi card goes isn't it? isn't it an m.2 connection?
@@huzcer alot. Im just getting about 60-70% of the performance of my graphics card ( vega 64 ). I retired my alpha and end up just building a small itx gaming pc build. ( Dan a4 sfx v3) so i can upgrade the components in the future. If your dead set on the AW alpha size gaming pc, the most powerful you can get is from zotac. Its called magnus en1070k. Or if you ok with something a little bigger, get the watercooled zotac en1080k with a gtx 1080. Although its not upgradable just like the aw alpha. Hence i just build a sff gaming pc. Although i do sometimes miss the aw alpha's size on stock form. Once you add an egpu, it becomes bothersome size wise.
@@ronaldsanpedro1976 good reply. thanks
Lenovo made a machine with PCIE x8 many years ago (y410p). They could have done this to every laptop
just got today gtx 1060 3 gb from ali for my mini pc( exactly same as yours) and it wont work with some adapters that i bought so was looking answers in yt and i found your video, tnx for this!!
did it work after?
Thanks for the review. Now I want your setup too.
This is the best tech review channel
Hey mate, great video. Something I've been very curious about.
One point with the performance decrease, it is probably coming from the lack of CPU core speed, rather than the limitations of bandwidth.
Awesome video. I was looking for something like this for a while now and your video made me pull the trigger on mini pc with the i9 8950, but also the external nvme stand. Thank you for the insights! I have a few questions.
Will the dell power supply be ok for the newer gtx 1660ti? What about 2060?
Do you know any other similar external power supplies with more power?
It depends which model of GPU, all 1660 Ti(s) should work perfectly fine, but some 2060s do require an 8+6pin connector
Best to go for a 450W psu
Hi! amazing video! opened my eyes to the new option this might provide for people with limited options!. i have an old laptop ; Asus N55vx my question is can use this method on my laptop to upgrade the GPU ?
As long as it has an m.2 slot it should work
I did a written comparison a decade ago, with the AMD 5770, and got about the same results even then. 2% was lost when using 8x PCIe, which could be the case if running SLI in some motherboards (16x+1x OR 8x+8x options). Anyways, cheers.
Great review! Thanks for making it
Wow! I really like so much about your review! thx for share with us! Regards from Brazil!
Why don't manufacturers make M.2 Graphic card and M.2 Ram, they can add M.2 SSD and Graphics on a single M.2 chip so that it will work extremely-fast (at small nm architecture) for video editing and gaming for those who don't have PCI slots in their laptop???
I know we are in 2019 already, but there's no such thing as an "old laptop" with an M2 NVMe slot, come on. For all the old laptops there is the EXP GDC with mini PCIe. I agree that this ADT-link adapter is better than the EXP GDC using M2 NVMe, but this is NOT a solution for old laptops. Great video, though. Thanks!
My concern is how do you turn this device on and off? And what does it do with its (180w) power when its not turned on? As far as i know the pc normally controls power draw, if so is that just 180w sitting live on your desk?
Thanks for the video, have been interested in utilising one of these adaptors to gain more physical pcie slots on my desktop pc
Yes it will work for that also
Thank you for these videos! I'm definately going to get a similar setup 😊
It worked out much better than I expected it would
@@Techtablets ps. If you wanna do something more "geeky", you can hook up your monitor in to the iGPU and adjust settings to use 3D apps on the NVIDIA GPU in the Windows 10 settings. However, with this setup you'll lose the ability to use NVIDIA control panel itself. If you need them to be adjusted, you can do it before switching the plug to iGPU.
OMG I was searching for a video like this thanks a lot👍👍👍👍👍
Beware of the longer m.2 cables, they make it more likely to run into issues with the eGPU!
Wait, mine with 45cm.....
Is that really a problem?
@@j3fron3 years has passed... and never got an answer 😢
Incredible idea, was looking for some ideas for sff and this pops up.
Btw if you have access to taobao you can get it at around 35, plus shipment it should still be cheaper than aliexpress.
Wow you really went to more powerful graphics cards like 1080ti. You're one brave man. Kudos nice.
AFAIK all native m key m.2 slots has access to x4 lanes of PCIE 3.0, bandwidth at 3.94 GB/s, compared to ThunderBolt3's 5GB/s. However since this m key interface connects directly to PCIE lanes it should theoretically have no additional signal conversion which induces latency. 4GB/s is enough for most of 2019's cards with exception of current flagships like 2080 Ti and Radeon VII. The reduced latency means much more consistent frametime and framerate. AND BESIDES, THE THUNDERBOLT CONNECTION PRICE IS WAY TOO HIGH TO OUT-COMPETE SOMETHING THAT UTILIZES THE SAME BUS THAT THE GRAPHIC CARD WAS DESIGNED FOR, FUCK THUNDERBOLT! Well I hope more laptop come out with M key m.2 slots :)
I don't waste my 13:27 mins for nothing. Now this is quality content.
Great video, fun project and perhaps not that realistic for every day use but it does work. I am so tempted by the Partaker Mini PC with the updated Intel Core i7 8550U Quad Core cpu but I fear it still has HDMI 1.4a but it seems they have included a M.2 slot. Can not decide if a Intel NUC is a better option compared to that nice passive cooling. This small computer would have been epic with the AMD Ryzen 2400G or 2400GE at least in terms of much better performance with the Vega 11 graphics.
99% sure it's sadly HDMI 1.4A. Only the Intel ones use HDMI 2.0A so this is yet another area the Chinese cut costs
@@Techtablets Yeah, I agree. But as you said, you can always use a DP adapter to fix that.
my motherboard can only run on x2, is there a decrease in performance from M.2 PCIe x4, that's what makes me doubt, please help me!!!!. btw my laptop ACER E5 476G can I use this M.2 PCIe x4
Yes, with x2. PCIe x4 might see a 2-10% decrease compared to x8-16 but so does Thunderbolt 3, I think. PCIe 4.0 x4 is equal to PCIe 3.0 x8 so keep that in mind too.
Thank you for this!
Thank you for this video 🙏
i imagine just setting this up at school on my laptop
Is a case available for the eGPU and bracket?
Thank you, your review is informative and very useful for my needs
I'm looking for something like this, except I need it to be PCIe 4.0 x16... I'd like for an adapter to sit in the x16 slot on the machine, that exposes the connection externally through one of the slots at the back. Any ideas?
Ud es un maestro! mil gracias por la dedicación y calidad en sus videos! Saludos cordiales.
Great video thanks dude
Excelent review. its what I was looking to upgrade my Hp AIO gt950m card. Which is m2 btw. Can you post where to buy the external power supply with 8 pins? I couldn't find any at aliexepress. Thanks
Can u tell exact model of pci e cable power supply unit ?
but what happends when i have pcie x2 port only?
wish this and the type c port have the x16 slot bandwidth...
even if it had x4 you could just use and adapter.
I got the gtx 1060 3gb used for £90 and enclosure for £25 and external GDC EXP Beast for £45 with Dell power supply. I got 2*4gb DDR4 2666mhz £53 and 256gb nvme for £41 and after cashback the main computer £288 before customs. £540 total before customs considering a laptop with same spec is £1000 roughly sometimes less or slower SSD and slower DDR4 I'd say this is still a better buy than a complete self built kit especially if wanting intel processor.
What about a M.2 to PCIe with a Thunderbolt 4 card slotted? Then connect a TB4 eGPU. Should require less space in the case and give more security/flexibility to the GPU placement.
I got the exp gdc beast a/e key for wifi card adapter it is pci x1 and it definitely impedes performance. I am ordering a r43sg for the nvme pci x4 connection. Lesson learned.
My primary desktop is a 5900X and I recently moved to Europe so I've been without my PC for a few weeks now. I think i'd prefer a solution like this for the ease of moving.
The title of the video is incorrect. Please remove the apostrophe from "eGPU's". An apostrophe here indicates ownership, but you meant to indicate plural.
Dell PSU is 220W. The GPU is roughly 350-400W. Am I missing something? The GPU should fail under load.
I might listen not very carefully, but did you actually compare M.2 with Thunderbolt? Why it's faster if both M.2 & Thunderbolt support 4 PCI lines?
I have in the past and it's because you loose a little performance with TB3 due to he way it's designed. But it's much cleaner and better looking than this set up even if a little tiny bit slower
@@Techtablets thankz for your reply. For sure Thunderbolt is much cleaner and less hassle but at the same time it's much more expensive
Huh. I wonder how well the i9 version you reviewed a bit ago would work with say, an RTX 2070 or something. That could be a really slick setup, especially with a portable battery bank! (Not using the GPU of course)
I am also very curious if this works with the RTX 2060 for example. I am waiting for the mini pc with i9 and for the external stand. I want to buy a rtx 2060 and I am concerned about the compatibility (eventhough, it will most probably be recognized). Even if I lose about 15-20%, I would still be ok with it :P
TB3 is 40 Gbps though vs the 32Gbps you said you're getting with this. This is an interesting device though. I recently built an ITX system which has a TB3 port, but it turns out it's only capable of running at x2. The motherboard has 2x M.2 slots, (one on the front, one on the back) so I could conceivably connect this adapter to the back of it and run a 2nd GPU if I wanted. Not really necessary since it's an ITX board with a full x16 slot (using an RTX 2070 Super), but just for giggles it'd be interesting to be able to run 2 cards from an ITX box.
Cool video anyway.
But this is straight PCiE while thunderbolt has to do some other processes that add latency
@@manolinmero Yes, in theory TB3 is faster but in practice it's actually slower than NVMe M.2
Wow amazing this dock. Now i can play game in laptop
Nice job!
I really like modular designs.
I wonder now with PCIe 4.0 widely available (on higher-end Ryzen MoBos) are there similar eGPU converters for PCIe 4.0m and wouldn't the PCIe 4.0 even at x4 would be plenty of bandwidth to not cap your GPU performance?
If it is I might consider making an eGPU housing to complement my Lenovo c940 15" (that only has gtx 1650 maxQ inside) or even other ultrabooks that only have integrated graphics.
(I already made SFF 12.5 liters ITX desktop with i9-9900K & rtx2080ti, fully water-cooled with aluminium 360 radiator, at total weight just under 6kg ... so I think I should be able to manage that as long as the electronics are available and working fine - I mean a M.2-PCIe-4.0-x4/NVMe to eGPU converter)
Já está na hora de miniaturizar as placas de video
The maker of this mini pc have made a custom made stand that can put a external GPU with the same setup as seen in this video. Just look more tidy
really great content! subscribed to
did you get the R43SG or R43SG-TU version?
I love the idea.... pretty cool stuff! Now can you use both ADT-link, get 2 x 1060 and get the SLI to work? Any idea on a good external case to protect the graphics card? thx.
The concept of SLI is actually to divide the job of PCIe 3.0 x16. When you're running 1 GPU card on desktop, You're using PCIe 3.0 x16. But when you're using 2 GPU cards SLI, the x16 becoming x8*2 not x16*2.
That being said, SLI eGPU will run at PCIe x2*2 and the bandwidth Loss is just crazy.
That's very interesting video, thank you!
Also, I have a question for you. I've seen, that you live in Spain, is that true? If yes - do you have any reliable source of information about taxes? If I want to buy some tech (phone/laptop) from China (Ali/GearBest), how much will I pay as tax? And will I have problems with customs?
Once more, great video!
Hi, well all depends on the postage method. Anything using express couriers liek DHL, FedEx or TNT it's taxed. But free shipping like correos, eu priority comes tax free to me. But can take 2 weeks.
@@Techtablets Ok, thank you very much!
I will investigate more about this thing.
Perfect four an m1 imac
Really great video. What power rating of PSU is needed to run an RTX 2080 Or RTX Titan?
Great video!. My main question is can you unplug that egpu after the drivers are set up, restart and then use the original graphics? I want to basically make a plug and play egpu, but I can't find a definate answer?
In the video he says that if you do not power the card, the system will use integrated graphics.
TechTablets, thinking about picking up a new thin & light for senior year of high-school and college. Should I get a used Thinkpad X1 Carbon or shell out for a Teclast F7 Plus or similar laptop? I'm coming from a 2017 Acer Cloudbook 14, the N3060 one, and I'm shooting for graphics performance as fast as an NVidia GT610 since I do a lot of 3D work.
Edit: Make that a T450S
get something with a discrete graphics card in it. even an mx150 / mx250 would help and you can get those in thin laptops.
any budget friendly set up for macbook users?
is anyone tried at laptop ?
Yes,i got this for laptop with 1080ti and is working super.
@@battlefield5cheaters758 Was there any problems installing the card? I build a similar setup but I get Code 43 with my Geforce 1050TI and my ASUS N552VX
this is a really bad review and here is why. You are missing that this is about fps/resolution over the pcie lane, meaning higher fps or resolution will give you a higher bottleneck situation, higher tier card = more bottle neck. Doing this on a laptop using the build in screen will cut your pcie lane in half because you have to send the signal back = NOT AN OPTION. On a card like the 2060 you will loose around 20-25% depending on resolution and fps, making this a very expensive solution.
He did mention that this is for people doing some light video editing or light gaming. So in other words for poor college students that only have laptops and can't offered to buy a whole new setup to game or video edit. I do find this as a good solution for people on a low budget that already have laptops and can't afford to spend money on, monitor, case, MOBO, video card, ram, HDD, and or a disc drive.
So in a video editing situation, the GPU will take care of the work load.
@@DaBrown101 Maybe I didn't make it clear in my post, but by using your laptops build in monitor you are looking at a 50-60% performance cut because of the return signal on the pcie lane, which is already bottle necked. so buying a 1060 card + the ADT-link R43SG and getting a 50-60% performance cut on that is in my book a very poor return of investment. Using an even higher tier card will only make it worse. I have an intel i5 nuc 8 gen from intel myself, and have been looking into this option myself either by thunderbolt or mpcie, but either way i'll be looking at a performance cut on minimum 20% by using a 2060 card, which is too much for me. The issue here is that the review dosn't really address these issues.
@@mrk3047 I see what you mean now, sorry for the misunderstanding. But at least it got have an old laptop and want to game a little you can buy one of those GPUs but yea if you wanna get better performance you're gonna need a desktop then at that point
If i use this adapter for my laptop, do I need to connect the egpu to an external monitor or will I be able to connect the egpu back to my laptop via hmdi?
So.. External GPU, TWO external PSUs and main PC box. Is it even worth it?
works 100% no bullshiet, just at first tried connect to nvme slot and didint work so i remove my ram from nvme/sata and tried again true there
did you start the system? what bios settings?
The top RAM stick seems to be not plugged in properly on one side...
@ 0:14 Also noticed that, but just assumed it was a picture taken while the build was still in progress 🤷🤷🤷
Good eye, by the way, thought I was the only one that noticed that by skimming through the comments 👍👍👍
Nice. But compare Desktop/vs NUC in real life. Like 4k render, games, works in PS/Autocad with same card, power consumption. PC with 4 cores? I gues 8750H NUC will be 10% slower but twice effiency in heat/noise and power consumption.
If you see my main review of it there is more info. But yes power consumption is so much lower. Huge difference. And it still edits my 4k videos fine in the studio when I do. It feels as fast as my desktop in everything normal day use etc. And most of the time I never even hear it. The fan is almost off, just a low RPM only when encoding and editing really it becomes a hum.
@@Techtablets I ask for render with eGPU, temps and trottling in games miniPC after hour in Metro or Battlefield
I suppose because the workload of GPU is external the CPU temperature must be lower under demanding graphical processing.
It must be Good in terms of performance than the previos GDC EXP External card dock
the real kicker would be how thin a pc based on a laptop motherboard could be.
take everything apart, get an aio for your gpu, and the whole thing could be thinner than the barebones you got there.
Nice setup, about the same performance as a laptop with 1060.
I would only have to use $200 because I have an old laptop, and also an 240w psw from my old PC
So it's logical for me to do this
6:42 That Multi-core benchmark is too elite. =D