I can never understand why the 260 Remington never gets any recognition! It’s been around awhile but still gets the job done exceptionally well. I have one for many years and would not want to part with it.
My dad used his model 70 in 264 Winchester extensively to hunt mulies and pronghorn. His load of choice was 140 Partitions in front of a max load of IMR-4831. He would get 3030 fps and 3/4” groups. I once watched him shoot a 177” mule deer buck at 325-350 yards across a canyon in western Colorado. The buck stumbled three steps and fell over! Awesome cartridge!
I have one in a model 16 savage! Hardly anyone even in knows about this catridge! It’s basically a creedmore but a little bigger and little hotter, perfect deer round
@@jonah-n8l ., the 6.5 x 284 Norma is a very efficient, as far as powder needed to get a heavy bullet down range, similar to the Creedmoor. The case dimensions helps the efficiency.
Ive got my dads .264 model 70 westerner with a 26 inch barrel he bought in Glendive Mt in 1959. I love it. Used if for everything from white tails in Wisconsin to elk in Colorado. It's never failed.
I have a little experience with the 264 Winchester Magnum. I am a fan. My father inlaw had one built sometime around 1958. (the 26" Douglas barrel has DB58 stamped in it). It is on a 1917 Enfield that he used until about 1995. The stock was hand fitted by him and the barrel is bedded tight. He told me "thousands of rounds" were shot through it. I used it a few times and killed quite a few white tail bucks and several elk with it. My son inherited it and has shot elk, deer and a moose with it. My 300 Winchester Magnum is a twin to it on a 1917 Enfield action as well. (I shaved the stock them same. The biggest difference is my 300 kisses my eyebrow at most shots, 264 doesn't.
The 1917 Enfield is the strongest action ever designed that was made in the United States. I have 4 of them. 3 are Remingtons and 1 Winchester. Awesome action. I don't have Douglas on them. But I have Krieger and Hart barrels.
@@vernonlarson7016 The kid's 264 is an Eddystone and my 300 is a Winchester. It was an easy choice to alter. Local gunsmith milled the bolt face and rechambered the original barrel from 30-06 to the 300. I the last 300 we had built on the Enfield 30-06 was $150 to ream the chamber. Pretty cheap magnum.
The .264 Win. Mag is a good cartridge. Unfortunately, it got a reputation as a barrel burner early on. Today, bullets and powders have improved drastically and the cartridge benefits from that.
Along with the barrel burner reputation, the .264 Win Mag suffered once shooters realized it didn’t offer better ballistics than a .270 Winchester. I think some of the early Featherweights had 22” barrels, which would have had even worse ballistics.
@@jasonf.4107 I think the 264 has a alot better to offer now with newer powder and bullets , considering what twist barrel it gets put on. A 7.5 twist.
I have a Winchester M70 .264 WM. My late father bought it as a Christmas present for me in the early 1990’s. I’ve learned many things about the .264 the last 30 years. It’s not a barrel burner, as long as you don’t shoot it like an AR! The 1:9 twist is not optimal. When Winchester came out with the .264, almost all hunting bullets were flat base and would stabilize with the 1:9 TR. So, pay attention to the bullet length and design if you want optimum accuracy. Also, if you have a 24” barrel, the slower-burning powders won’t perform as well and you’ll actually lose velocity. IMR 4350 is a great powder for the 24” barrel version. Retumbo is a great powder for a 26” barrel. Remington 9 1/2M works really well with most .264 reloading recipes. If Winchester would re-introduce the .264 with nothing but a 26” barrel; Twist Rate at 1:8, and for goodness sake’s do not market it as a prairie dog gun…….it would sell very well IMO, even though it’s 65 yrs old. Thank you for the great video WTW, as always you’re very entertaining and knowledgeable.
With hand loading I would be aiming for around 3200-3300fps especially with the 26in barrel. Your research was correct, the 7mm Rem Mag and 25-06 killed it.
So glad to see you having interest in the 264 WM. I've got all the new 6.5's except the 6.5-300 and basically tailored the guns to the cartridge so I had something for everything from kids to long range. My 264 WM is a custom 700 with a 24" Schneider stainless/fluted barrel. Better steel and twist rates in the barrels, new powders, and a wide choice of bullets makes it far better than when it was first introduced. Would love to see new brass offerings too. Word in the woods is that Colorado mule deer don't like mine very much, but I sure do.
I load my 264 Winchester mag with 140 Remington soft point core lock boat tail to 2,900 fps and that’s the sweet spot for my Winchester model 70-70 A ( it has a free floating barrel , they only made this model for 2 years ) . It shoots 0.5 inch groups at 100 yards ( 5 shot groups ) . I got my rifle in 1967 and it still shoots like new .
It wasn't just the 7mm Rem mag that pulled interest away from the 264. The 264 had a reputation for being very hard on barrels. After enough rounds of nearly 80 grains of the older H870 barrels got worn out quickly. It's best to give a little time between shots to let the barrel cool on that 264 - and especially when shooting the 6.5-300.
The .264 case won't hold 80 grains of any type of powder, it's maxed out at around 72-75 grain of Retumbo. I loaded 72 grains of Retumbo and got 3334 fps. with 140 gr Sierra PSP. My case necks were blown blown out, my primer pockets were also blown out. My cases were ruined, and bolt lift was extremely difficult. *DO NOT LOAD THIS LOAD.*
@@ricktaylor3748 H870 was a military surplus spherical powder that was from decades ago. You could get about 78 grains of it in the 264, which is as I said "nearly 80 grains", and it was highly compressed. Retumbo is extruded and will not pack as densely as ball powder. H870 was also used in the 7mm Rem mag and the max load was 79 grains - same size case. H870 was different from US869 and you can't safely use the same charge weights with 869. It was used in the 50BMG military ammo. Very slow burning powder - a good bit slower than Retumbo. It was dirty burning and only suitable for really over bore cartridges and the 50BMG.
@@8MM.PRC.HUNTER H870 was designed for the50 BMG and otherlarg cartridges. I'm pretty sure you can't get 80 grains of powder in the .264 mag case. 79 grains in the 7mm mag is beyond safe loading. I use 63.1 grains of IMR 4350. @ 3110 fps. I've been reloading almost 50 years.
@@ricktaylor3748 The 7mm Rem mag was one of the first calibers I loaded for when I started handloading in 1986, and it was for my Dad's Sako. I personally bought several pounds of H870 and used it in my Dad's rifle. The Hodgdon listed maximum charge with H870 was 79 grains for the 7mm Rem mag - look at an old manual and you will see for yourself. But this load resulted in a very compressed load - the powder level was nearly at the case mouth. If you've been reloading 50 years surely you have an old manual lying around. For God's sake, my point was that the 264 used a lot of powder through a small bore and burned out a lot of barrels quickly and that was one of the reasons people turned away from it.
@@8MM.PRC.HUNTER I have 17 ...264 rifles. I started reloading in 1976. I first reloaded the .300 Win mag. I remember buy powder for $3-4 dollars a pound. I reload for 48 different calibers. I still find it hard to believe 80 grains of any powder fits in the .264 case. No big deal. Keep those RCBS handles pulling.
Try the 100 grain Accubond or partition. A couple of gunwriters took great joy in 1962 of disparaging the 264. They were part of the design team who beta tested the new Remington 700 push feed with the 7mm rem mag. Look at the case dimensions 264/7 rem mag. Writer’s opinions drive sales. Look at the creed’s, ARC’s and PRC’s. Bullet technology (no bonded) hurt high velocity in the early loads as well. I own a pre 64 70. Wonderful rifle. Stellar performance on catching deers. When Winchester 70 went to a cheap manufacturing process they were loading all the new win mags (264/300/338/458) and Jack O’Connor was still alive. We be all know his championing of the 270. When the 264 would effectively have been the cartridge that effectively replaced the 270 there were few writers who would throw rocks at a 270 or Jack. Now we sell cartridges on twist rate and bc and velocity doesn’t matter. Sorry WTW. I’ve shot this rifle for 30 years. Hand loaded for it a bit longer. The 264 win mag is an apt name for what was and still would be the king of the 6.5s. Thanks for the verification 😊
This video really brings back memories. My first high powered rifle was a Winchester model 670 in .264 Win Mag. I bought it in 1969 when I was in high school. My parents called it 'the cannon' because it was so loud. You are right about its history. It sold OK until the 7mm Rem Mag was introduced. the 7mm Rem Mag, with a slightly larger diameter bullet, was considered better suited for game larger than deer. The .264 quickly became obsolete.
I have a slightly sporterized m96, it's in 6.5x55.I had the bolt handle bent down and the action drilled and tapped for scope mounts. I also put it in a synthetic stock. Reloaded with neck sized Norma brass, 120gr Nosler ballistic tip, Federal 210m primer, 49.2gr RL22. I get 1/2 moa groups. Velocity averages 2910.
I've updated my old Rem 700 264 WM with a Magpul Hunter stock with ACIS mag, a clamp on bolt knob, a rail with a 6-24x scope and had the barrel threaded for my 30 cal shoosher.
This is the fourth video I have seen in the last 48 hours about the .264 Winchester magnum. (2 by you) I built a custom 264 off the pre-64 Winchester action with a Lilja barrel. It is nice to see people rejuvenating this cartridge. Please keep doing videos on this round, especially as you start hand loading
Hi Adam. The .264 win mag was one of 4 belted magnum rifle cartridges that Winchester introduced in the late fifties. They chambered the model 70 westerner in. 264 WM. This had a 26 inch barrel with a 1:10 twist rate. It went like a house on fire but had some problems. One of those was that it needs an extremely slow burning powder to fill the case and give consistent velocities. The available powders were faster burning, thus requiring smaller charges. When there is a sizeable air gap in a cartridge velocity can change due to powder positioning. The second problem was that Winchester used the same barrel steel in the .264WM as they did with other rifles. The throats of the barrels started burning out. Some of this was due to rapid firing, of course. So Winchester went to a different barrel steel composition. They also shortened the barrels to 22 inches for some rifles. Most folks realized that the .264 WM wasn't killing game any better than the. 270 Winchester. So... In 1962, Remington necked up the .264 WM case one half of millimeter and the rest is history. Heavier bullets and slower burning powder plus a half a millimeter more in diameter. You should check out the 6.5 Remington magnum like the .264 WM, a cartridge that showed up before the world was ready for it. Cheers and keep on keeping on!
I’ve got a Remington 700 CDL in .264 win mag with a 26 inch barrel. Your chart is accurate they do make Remington factory loading with 100 grain bullets. I bought a bunch of 264 a few years ago Remington factory loading 140 grain which allegedly shoots in the 3200 fps. That Winchester is good stuff with 3173 that you got. You can hand load it to get 3300 fps max with 140 grain. They say the 264 is a barrel burner but that was with the older rifles, newer rifles have much better steel then those older ones. The Remington 7 mag took off better because you can load heavier bullets like 160 and 175 but there is no reason you can load a 160 in the 264. Nice rifle you have I love Remington 700s
Love that you corrected your own comment in the beginning with the charts in the end. Nope the 6.5 Creedmoor isn’t doing 2880 out of a 26”. The ever honest Hornady marketing team has the Precision Hunter at 2700. Add another 50-60 for the 26” barrel. Same for Nosler load data which is usual aspirational at the top end. Max is shown as 2733, so 2790 in a 26”.So bottom line, even a cheapo load for this old lady outperforms top of the crop 6.5 Creedmoor
Blame the gun writers.. they labeled it overbore .. barrel burner 😮 I used to have a 6.5 Remington Mag.. which it and its brother the 350 Remington Mag were the first short magnums. They're very similar to the 6.5 PRC and the 35 Whelen in my opinion Nice rifle whoteewho.. looking forward to some bullet slinging videos ❤
This is one of my favorite cartridges of all time since the 1970’s. One they all originally had 1-9” twist. Factory ammo was offered in 100 grain at 3,600 fps and 140 at 3,200 fps. Amazing cartridge to take to a Prairie Dog Town. No issues with throat erosion if you limit number of shots to 8 or less and then go thru a cleaning snd cooling cycle. Same hold true for many high capacity cartridges with small bullet diameters. The original bullets offered by Winchester/Super-X. Were two dimensional. This reduced drag. 6.5 mm 140 is a very long shanked bullet. Winchester Western brass holds more volume than other brands& Norma Is a close second. In addition the Winchester WLRM primer is hotter than other brands with the exception of Federal 215 which was developed for the 378 Wby Mag. Winchester had a propellant called 785. It was very slow for the time and Hodgdon had H870. These would produce the published velocity. Other Mfg’s did not have these components. Therefore, for example, Remington could barely get 3,000 with a 140. Not much better than a 270 Win. My favorite load is a 120 Nosler Ballastic Tip at 3,375. A 125 Partition at 3,325 and a 140 Partition at 3,175. These were I’m using WW Brass, Federal 215M, and MRP, RL33, & H869. I just found a cool load. 130 Federal Terminal Ascent with RL 33 produces 3,300 from a 24” barrel. I am going to give Hodgdon US860 a try. I suspect it will produce velocities over 3,300. The combination of 130 Accubound and 130 Terminal Ascent should be a do all. The negative is the long shank high Bc bullets take away from powder capacity due to the short neck. I have built 264’s and put the same freebore that is in a Weatherby Cartridge and build them on a true long action and the performance goes thru the roof. I have killed Elk, Bears , Mule Deer, Whitetail, Sheep, Pronghorn, and many coyotes with this assume cartridge. Built a rifle for a guy who was going Polar Bear Hunting. His 375 H&H malfunctioned and he wound up taking a Polar Bear with his 264 Win mag. Most factory ammo has been turned down due to bad publicity. Nosler is/was producing a 130 Accubond load that was loaded to full potential.
Love the 6.5's My dad had a 264 win mag, and we have a 6.5x55 swede, 6.5x '06, 6.5x284 win or lapua. They all shot great with the 120's up to 140's. The swede liked the 160 round nose, it was still in miltary furnature.. Enjoy the new bingbang I think you will have great luck with it!
My first venture into the 6.5 world was a 6.5x284 and it’s a serious tack driver. With nearly 0 ammo availability you definitely need to hand load. Also have a 6.5 creed and a 6.5-300 bee. Bought the 6.5-300 for Texas hunting and it’s crazy wicked shooting a 127 LRX at a tick over 3500 fps through the chrono. I rarely shoot it so my son makes sure it doesn’t get dusty. His last deer with it was a nice 8 pointer. Double lung, took a couple of stiff legged steps and fell over dead. Lungs were pretty much jelly. Now that there is plenty of load data out for the 6.5 PRC, that would probably by my all around choice. Hotter than the creed but probably doesn’t blow your eardrums out like the 6.5-300.
Maybe another one to check out 6.5mm Remington Magnum is a .264 I had one years ago model 600 I took a very nice Javan Rusa, keep up the great work, love the close out song.
As a kid in the 80s out in Wyoming, it was a fairly common occurrence to run into people hunting with 264 Win Mag. One of prettiest guns I have ever seen was a 264 Win Mag that was being raffled off for a charity. Guy had it built for a sheep hunt.
Back in the olden days, the early 70's, I determined I might want a .264 Win Mag. A friend, with several more years of shooting and reloading under his belt than I, said they were known for burning out barrels much too fast, and he recommended going with what he owned, a wildcat called the 6.5-06, and claimed it performed very close to the Win Mag. The urge eventually slipped from mind until recently when I picked up a 6.5 PRC!
264 win mag is a great reloader cartridge that really got a resurgence with the new interest in 6.5mm projectiles. The PRCs have always been evolutions of previous magnum cartridges. 300, 7mm and 6.5. Old magnums were around when there was limitations in optics quality, ballistic calculations, and bullet construction so the general philosophy of the time was a lighter bullet moving as fast as possible to get the job done was more effective since that typically meant less drop. With modern bullet construction and tech, heavier projectiles that will drop more but deflect wind better are favored and that's where the PRCs shine. Rounds that previously would have ate tons of case space or lead to dangerously compressed loads are now standard in the PRCs. Like the 150+ grain 6.5s, the 180 grain 7mms, or the 215+ grain 30 cals.
Hey Who Tee Who, Love you're stuff. I'm 64 life long shooter hunter and long distance rifle builder & competitor still. I seem to remember that the European calibers just couldn't get any traction in the US for a long time. Just the mindset of guys before us. As we all know the 6.5 is fantastic and I own several myself. Maybe it also has something to do with our enemies in both World Wars shot calibers in metric. 6.5, 7.7, 8mm and more. It was the the mindset in that time period that's all.
My dad had a Model 70 Westerner .264 Win Mag and from what I remember it was a shooting SOB. He mostly reloaded for it but I remember seeing those Winchester Super X Power Points on his reloading bench. The reason that it died off is because a bunch of gun writers wrote about it being a barrel burner and shortly after that Remington came out with the 7mm Rem Mag and it took off since it could shoot bullets up to 175 grains and became popular for Elk.
My Uncle had a 1960's mod 70 in 264wm and reloaded for it heavy. He was a "if the primer's still in it, must be safe" kinda guy. He estimated at around1,200 rounds the barrel was done. He made sure to sell it to someone he didn't know.
Something to keep in mind. The ELD bullets were designed specifically for the newer creedmoor-prc style riflles. They have a longer throat to accommodate the longer sleeker profile bullets like the ELDs. While they will work in the 264 mag, the longer bullet will protrude farther into the cartridge case do to the shorter throat. This could diminish the the case capacity thus lowering the velocity.
My 264 ruger 77 with 24 inch barrel, 120s do 3360, 130s do 3250, 140s 3140s, 160s 2970, when you get to handloading your 264, start with h4831 and slower powders, imr 4831 and faster powders do weird things, start load of imr 4831 produced over 3800 fps with 140s in my rifle, h4831, mag pro and magnum, imr 7828 are better powders in the 264 with all weights, also, the winchester power point factory ammo sheds the core on game, only power point I've seen lose the core on game, look forward to more 264 videos, keep them coming
a good friend of mine has a 264 win mag in remington 700b bdl. he has had it for a very long time. among the many deer rifles he owns, it is his favorite cartridge. as far as i know, he always uses remington coreloked ammo. not sure what weight bullet. he swears by it. he also has some very nice bucks hanging in his den. must work pretty good.
Firstly, the .264 WM benefits from a 8-9 in twist rate with a preference for 8. It helps with greater stabalization. Also, try reloads with 160gr Woodleigh bullets for elk size game as well. Not many choices at 160gr out there. Watch your cartridge length and and enjoy the results.
I once owned a .264 Win Mag, sitting in a Rem. 700 classic. I was shooting 140 gr. Remember. corelocks. If I remember correctly, they were exiting the muzzle around 3100 + fps.
Bit of a fan of the 264. Back in 2006, my brother an I made a deal through a wholesaler and Remington to make a special run of 250 rifles with special SN#’s. All were mod 700’s stainless and synthetic stocks chambered in 264 Win Mag. We also met with Chuck Prichard (a VP with Nosler ammunition) we supplied him with a pet load we had worked up using Nosler 100gr ballistic tip bullets. Chuck called me back at our gunshop a couple of weeks later saying that they liked the load and were going to offer it as a factory loading. Their factory boxes listed a velocity of 3450fps Most of the same loads the we tested usually showed a little over 3500fps. We got extremely good accuracy from this load and very mild recoil. Very effective on whitetail. I also noticed you are playing with a 220swift. We made a similar deal with Remington in 2006 to produce a limited run of 500 special SN#’s in the mod 700 Stainless Classic with 24” barrels. We sold a lot of both of those rifles in our local area in addition to customers (through other FFL dealers) in many other states. If you find one of these rifles, contact me back an I can give you the load data that we found to work very well in both calibers.
All of the 264’s we had made were consecutive sn#’s starting with WM 264-001 , WM264-002, ect The 220 swifts also had consecutive sn#’s starting with SWFT-0001, SWFT-0002, ect.
I've been tossing 6.5 prc, 6.8 Western, 7 prc and 7 Rem. Mag. around. Studying each. I like less recoil because of being busted up and full of shrapnel. I load for 6.5 creed which makes the prc using some of the same components. The 6.8 Western really has my interest but just not a lot of ammo selection or components on the market. Out of the 7mm's I'm leaning to the mag. I don't have to have any but if I were to hunt elk or bear I would like a little more getty-up and range than 6.5 creed or .308 Win.
Impressive speeds on the 264 Mag. But the picture is a bit less rosy than depicted in the charts. The 264 Mag has a standard of 26” barrel and the 6.5 Creedmoor and PRC are on 24”. So to get this even you have to either add or subtract 50-60 ft/s
My .260 Rem is an absolute tack driver running 140's in the 2750 range, as is my 6.5x284 Norma running 140's near 3000fps. 6.5-300 is really just a necked down 7mm or should be. I'm a big fan of the .264". 8 of them live in my safe, in 4 different calibers. Having said that I've used the creedmor more for long range shooting and hunting than all the others combined.
I enjoy watching your videos. There plenty of great cartridges that have been put to rest. its like big pharma and politics. Keep up the good work and keep the videos coming.
My love affair with .264 started with the 6.5x55 Swede then the 264 Win Mg, then the 260 Rem. Now I'm' into the the 6.5 PRC. But The Magnum is way over due the respect it deserves, and need to get more support from firearms manufactures.
I’ve had about 5 different versions of the 264. Flat as a tack with the 100 Nosler BT. Now, you need a fast twist barrel and slow powders like a N 565 or N 570. I can get 3150-3200+ easily.
Make .264 Win mag great again! You are correct gun writers criticized the cartridge into obsolescence. Keep in mind factory ammunition throttles it down. You can get 3200 out of a 140. If you drive high bc 140's fast and show what this cartridge can do maybe you can bring about some change. I agree the .264 Win mag should be more popular. But with factory ammunition they throttle it back and load it with standard cup and core bullets. I'm interested to see what it will do with Eld-x bullets and Accubond long range bullet along with Speer Impact. The other issue with the .264 Win is the barrel in factory rifles. Winchester still offers .264 but their barrel twist rate is 1 and 9" I feel with faster twist rates the potential for the .264 can be unlocked perhaps run Berger 150gr class bullets, north of 3000? It's definitely a sleeper cartridge. I feel Winchester missed an opportunity to modernize it. I feel people will expirement with it.
The shooting world seems to always like the shiny new toy. Particularly the shooting and hunting journalists and writers are the ones that quickly jump on the new calibers and cartridges quickly forgetting about their old favorites from last year. And of course all the shooters and hunters reading the magazines back then rushed out to buy that new rifle in the hot new caliber that was magically going to make them all better shooters and hunters. The 264 WM was and is still a very good choice for hunting. It’s even better today than it was way back then because of the popularity of the 6.5 mm offerings of today. There are a wide variety of 6.5 bullets in different weights and bullet construction available in factory ammunition and as individual components for the hand loader to work up those custom loads tailored to their needs.
Interesting video, never shot a 264 win mag, but I’ve been shooting a 6.5 Winchester short mag (wsm) for the last decade. It just flat out kills everything here in New Zealand, especially with 140gr bullets around 3200fps. If Winchester had of officially released it along with the 270, 7mm & 300 wsm’s, I doubt the 6.5 PRC would exist today.
I remember when the 264 was introduced as the perfect rifle for deer hunting...I'm always cautious about the new calibers ... Mainly because of availability of ammo.. This was back before online purchase of ammo was available.. Would it be on the shelf at the average sporting goods store .
The 264 Win Mag is wildly under rated on thin skinned game, especially if your out west! Its a great loading that I think balances velocity, recoil and decent barrel life with todays advances in powder and bullet technology.
Nope 6.5x55SE is 3 years older 1891 6.5x57 is 1894 😉 but yep they are both old but still going strong I have a 6.5x55SE in a Mauser M12, my dad has a 6.5x57R in a Merkel K4 Kipplaufbüchse both are really good shooting Rifles and both work fine on Game
@@lenzadlberger Though well established in Europe as a cartridge for hunting today, it is difficult to determine the date for when the 6.5x57 Rimmed was first introduced. The evidence, and lack thereof, seems to suggest that it arrived on the scene during the 1890s. Firearms historians believe the 6.5x57mm may have been developed initially for service in the Italian military, and they also believe that this cartridge influenced the development of the 6.5x58 Portuguese Mauser.
264 win mag is one of my top choices for 90% of game. Handloading can get this cartridge to stupid velocities. My personal choice is the barnes LRX 127gr pushing 3250fps. Be careful with some of the cup and core bullets, some of them don't do well at high velocity.
Have you ever seen, or tried, some old Europeans 6.5 calibers ? In the past, the 6.5x57 and 6.5x57 R were pretty common in Germany and countries having their hunting influences, but I don't know if they are well known in USA ? The 6.5x55 is still very popular across Europe and even more in Scandinavia. The 6.5x68 and its rimmed version were also quite popular but now their success are fading really quickly, despite they offer the 6.5 PRC performances. I used that caliber in an old Steyr-Mannlicher, but the main problem nowadays is their slow twist rate designed for lightweight bullets...I tried some modern bullets through that rifle but bullets used to hit the target on their side.
Winchester still chambers it in the model 70. A lot of people like to bad mouth the new ones because they’re made in Portugal but I bought a new featherweight in 6.8 western last year and it’s shooting .75 inch groups with factory ammo. I have 3 model 70s and the new ones are some of the nicest rifles you can buy off the shelf
The downside of older rifles with the .264 Win Mag is the 10:1 - 9:1 twist rates of the original factory barrels may not stabilize the heaviest of the new longer sleeker bullets as well as a shorter throat may require a little bullet set back into the case to seat the which takes away from some of the powder capacity and raises the pressure more than if the bullet can be seated out. The rifle was called .264 because Winchester thought American's were not into the metric system in 1958 when it was introduced. The cartridge suffered from bullets suitability and barrel steel quality of the late 1950's. If introduced now it I would bet it would beat the 6.5 PRC in popularity. Think the modern .264 would have a 1:8 twist with a longer throat.
You mentioned the name they already have a 6.5 Remington magnum in my opinion it's ballistics are the same as the 6.5PRC . I own a 264 win mag and a 6.5 Remington magnum they are pretty close to the same speed I have some good load data for the 264 if you interested
I have an older Model 70 .264 Win-Mag with a modified trigger, must be 1.5 pounds pull. Seriously don't put a finger on the trigger, till the crosshairs are on the target. The old ones had steel on the butt instead of rubber pads, so it kicks, gotta be ready for that too. I also built a 6.5 Creedmoor AR-10, the AR-10 is like a toy compared to the .264. Unfortunately, I know nothing about it's history before finding it in my barn in 2001.
I must be getting long in the tooth because I still have a love affair going with the 6.5x55 Swede. When I realised that the cartridge is basically still the same after over a century I thought, "if it ain't broke don't fix it".
I say as the Brits do: Horses for Courses. My little Zastává bolt Grendel is screaming to be reloaded a bit hot. Deer hunting ranges here in the mixed woodlands of Indiana often are down under 100 yds, and usually less. I have some 125 gr Nos Partitions to reload for it. The plan is to sight it to 40 yds, so it's laser flat to ~125. My long shooters are 6.5x55 and 7mm08.
Much more interesting to me than the v0 would be the v100. BC given to bullet-design should be an advantage of the modern calibers such as the prc‘s an creddmoor‘s. You don’t need necessarily „waymore“ muzzlevelocity if you don’t loose much speed.
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A guy at deer camp was showing me his 6.5 Creedmore. I then showed him my 264. He asked what caliber it was, I told him it was my 6.5 WAYMORE! 😅
Creedmore ( needs more ) 6.5 PRC ( has more ) 264 win mag Waymore.
Ok most of these are copycat cringe with the needmore, but that is funny. 264 is indeed way-more.
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I can never understand why the 260 Remington never gets any recognition! It’s been around awhile but still gets the job done exceptionally well. I have one for many years and would not want to part with it.
260 is old news-----slow twist
My dad used his model 70 in 264 Winchester extensively to hunt mulies and pronghorn. His load of choice was 140 Partitions in front of a max load of IMR-4831. He would get 3030 fps and 3/4” groups. I once watched him shoot a 177” mule deer buck at 325-350 yards across a canyon in western Colorado. The buck stumbled three steps and fell over! Awesome cartridge!
6.5× .284 Norma should definitely be on the list. Without this cartridge, the short action 6.5 craze wouldn't have started.
That’s a sweet shooter.
I have one in a model 16 savage! Hardly anyone even in knows about this catridge! It’s basically a creedmore but a little bigger and little hotter, perfect deer round
@@jonah-n8l ., the 6.5 x 284 Norma is a very efficient, as far as powder needed to get a heavy bullet down range, similar to the Creedmoor. The case dimensions helps the efficiency.
It’s a good round.
I don’t know anyone who chambers a 6.5 x 284 in a short action? All I’ve seen have been in a 3006 length long action.
Ive got my dads .264 model 70 westerner with a 26 inch barrel he bought in Glendive Mt in 1959. I love it. Used if for everything from white tails in Wisconsin to elk in Colorado. It's never failed.
I have a little experience with the 264 Winchester Magnum. I am a fan. My father inlaw had one built sometime around 1958. (the 26" Douglas barrel has DB58 stamped in it). It is on a 1917 Enfield that he used until about 1995. The stock was hand fitted by him and the barrel is bedded tight. He told me "thousands of rounds" were shot through it. I used it a few times and killed quite a few white tail bucks and several elk with it. My son inherited it and has shot elk, deer and a moose with it. My 300 Winchester Magnum is a twin to it on a 1917 Enfield action as well. (I shaved the stock them same. The biggest difference is my 300 kisses my eyebrow at most shots, 264 doesn't.
The 1917 Enfield is the strongest action ever designed that was made in the United States. I have 4 of them. 3 are Remingtons and 1 Winchester. Awesome action. I don't have Douglas on them. But I have Krieger and Hart barrels.
@@vernonlarson7016 The kid's 264 is an Eddystone and my 300 is a Winchester. It was an easy choice to alter. Local gunsmith milled the bolt face and rechambered the original barrel from 30-06 to the 300. I the last 300 we had built on the Enfield 30-06 was $150 to ream the chamber. Pretty cheap magnum.
Time to rebrand! 6.5 win mag sounds like an all new cartridge!
6.5 rem mag didn't work
That’s already a thing
Have had a Winchester Model 70 in .264 Win Mag, since the early ‘90s. Love it❤❤❤
The .264 Win. Mag is a good cartridge.
Unfortunately, it got a reputation as a barrel burner early on. Today, bullets and powders have improved drastically and the cartridge benefits from that.
I have always loved that cartridge since 1980. I have a custom with a 30 inch 1.25 straight on a Ruger m77 mark 2 action
Along with the barrel burner reputation, the .264 Win Mag suffered once shooters realized it didn’t offer better ballistics than a .270 Winchester. I think some of the early Featherweights had 22” barrels, which would have had even worse ballistics.
@@jasonf.4107 I think the 264 has a alot better to offer now with newer powder and bullets , considering what twist barrel it gets put on. A 7.5 twist.
@@vernonlarson7016 so things have improved in the last 60 plus years???
I have a Winchester M70 .264 WM. My late father bought it as a Christmas present for me in the early 1990’s. I’ve learned many things about the .264 the last 30 years. It’s not a barrel burner, as long as you don’t shoot it like an AR! The 1:9 twist is not optimal. When Winchester came out with the .264, almost all hunting bullets were flat base and would stabilize with the 1:9 TR. So, pay attention to the bullet length and design if you want optimum accuracy. Also, if you have a 24” barrel, the slower-burning powders won’t perform as well and you’ll actually lose velocity. IMR 4350 is a great powder for the 24” barrel version. Retumbo is a great powder for a 26” barrel. Remington 9 1/2M works really well with most .264 reloading recipes. If Winchester would re-introduce the .264 with nothing but a 26” barrel; Twist Rate at 1:8, and for goodness sake’s do not market it as a prairie dog gun…….it would sell very well IMO, even though it’s 65 yrs old. Thank you for the great video WTW, as always you’re very entertaining and knowledgeable.
260 Remington should be in the mix as well. I love mine.
With hand loading I would be aiming for around 3200-3300fps especially with the 26in barrel. Your research was correct, the 7mm Rem Mag and 25-06 killed it.
Only thing missing from a proper .264 win mag is a 1-8 twist barrel. Great cartridge. But I have to say I absolutely love❤❤ my 6.5x300 weatherby ❤❤❤❤
So glad to see you having interest in the 264 WM. I've got all the new 6.5's except the 6.5-300 and basically tailored the guns to the cartridge so I had something for everything from kids to long range. My 264 WM is a custom 700 with a 24" Schneider stainless/fluted barrel. Better steel and twist rates in the barrels, new powders, and a wide choice of bullets makes it far better than when it was first introduced. Would love to see new brass offerings too. Word in the woods is that Colorado mule deer don't like mine very much, but I sure do.
WOO TEE WHO I have a winchester model seventy in 264 win mag and I love it.
I got one too!
I load my 264 Winchester mag with 140 Remington soft point core lock boat tail to 2,900 fps and that’s the sweet spot for my Winchester model 70-70 A ( it has a free floating barrel , they only made this model for 2 years ) . It shoots 0.5 inch groups at 100 yards ( 5 shot groups ) . I got my rifle in 1967 and it still shoots like new .
264 win mag. My first 6.5 was a carcano. All of the 6.5 calibers to a really good job. I even like the creedmoor.
It wasn't just the 7mm Rem mag that pulled interest away from the 264. The 264 had a reputation for being very hard on barrels. After enough rounds of nearly 80 grains of the older H870 barrels got worn out quickly. It's best to give a little time between shots to let the barrel cool on that 264 - and especially when shooting the 6.5-300.
The .264 case won't hold 80 grains of any type of powder, it's maxed out at around 72-75 grain of Retumbo. I loaded 72 grains of Retumbo and got 3334 fps. with 140 gr Sierra PSP.
My case necks were blown blown out, my primer pockets were also blown out. My cases were ruined, and bolt lift was extremely difficult. *DO NOT LOAD THIS LOAD.*
@@ricktaylor3748 H870 was a military surplus spherical powder that was from decades ago. You could get about 78 grains of it in the 264, which is as I said "nearly 80 grains", and it was highly compressed. Retumbo is extruded and will not pack as densely as ball powder. H870 was also used in the 7mm Rem mag and the max load was 79 grains - same size case. H870 was different from US869 and you can't safely use the same charge weights with 869. It was used in the 50BMG military ammo. Very slow burning powder - a good bit slower than Retumbo. It was dirty burning and only suitable for really over bore cartridges and the 50BMG.
@@8MM.PRC.HUNTER H870 was designed for the50 BMG and otherlarg cartridges. I'm pretty sure you can't get 80 grains of powder in the .264 mag case. 79 grains in the 7mm mag is beyond safe loading. I use 63.1 grains of IMR 4350. @ 3110 fps.
I've been reloading almost 50 years.
@@ricktaylor3748 The 7mm Rem mag was one of the first calibers I loaded for when I started handloading in 1986, and it was for my Dad's Sako. I personally bought several pounds of H870 and used it in my Dad's rifle. The Hodgdon listed maximum charge with H870 was 79 grains for the 7mm Rem mag - look at an old manual and you will see for yourself. But this load resulted in a very compressed load - the powder level was nearly at the case mouth. If you've been reloading 50 years surely you have an old manual lying around. For God's sake, my point was that the 264 used a lot of powder through a small bore and burned out a lot of barrels quickly and that was one of the reasons people turned away from it.
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I have 17 ...264 rifles. I started reloading in 1976. I first reloaded the .300 Win mag. I remember buy powder for $3-4 dollars a pound. I reload for 48 different calibers.
I still find it hard to believe 80 grains of any powder fits in the .264 case.
No big deal. Keep those RCBS handles pulling.
Try the 100 grain Accubond or partition. A couple of gunwriters took great joy in 1962 of disparaging the 264. They were part of the design team who beta tested the new Remington 700 push feed with the 7mm rem mag. Look at the case dimensions 264/7 rem mag. Writer’s opinions drive sales. Look at the creed’s, ARC’s and PRC’s. Bullet technology (no bonded) hurt high velocity in the early loads as well. I own a pre 64 70. Wonderful rifle. Stellar performance on catching deers. When Winchester 70 went to a cheap manufacturing process they were loading all the new win mags (264/300/338/458) and Jack O’Connor was still alive. We be all know his championing of the 270. When the 264 would effectively have been the cartridge that effectively replaced the 270 there were few writers who would throw rocks at a 270 or Jack. Now we sell cartridges on twist rate and bc and velocity doesn’t matter. Sorry WTW. I’ve shot this rifle for 30 years. Hand loaded for it a bit longer. The 264 win mag is an apt name for what was and still would be the king of the 6.5s. Thanks for the verification 😊
6.5 rem. mag was the first to kick the bucket. Too good for its time.
260 remington
Yup
6.5x55 Swede missing here
It's close enough ballistically to 6.5cm, and probably neither should be in the running for "ultimate".
@@drewwilliams9457 agreed
I agree It's the godfather of the 6.5
That’s basically a 260 rem or creedmoore so it can’t really do anything they can’t
Creedmore is a 6.5 swede wannabe
This video really brings back memories. My first high powered rifle was a Winchester model 670 in .264 Win Mag. I bought it in 1969 when I was in high school. My parents called it 'the cannon' because it was so loud. You are right about its history. It sold OK until the 7mm Rem Mag was introduced. the 7mm Rem Mag, with a slightly larger diameter bullet, was considered better suited for game larger than deer. The .264 quickly became obsolete.
I have a slightly sporterized m96, it's in 6.5x55.I had the bolt handle bent down and the action drilled and tapped for scope mounts. I also put it in a synthetic stock. Reloaded with neck sized Norma brass, 120gr Nosler ballistic tip, Federal 210m primer, 49.2gr RL22. I get 1/2 moa groups. Velocity averages 2910.
I have a 7.5x55 swiss schmidt rubin K31 from 1889, was issued in 1903 to a swiss officer, great old rifle
The K31 is the Karabiner model of 1931.
If your Schmitt Rubin was made in 1889 it would be the first Schmitt Rubin rifle.
The K31 is the Karabiner model of 1931. Your 1896 is the earliest Schmitt Rubin. A much longer rifle than the K31.
I've updated my old Rem 700 264 WM with a Magpul Hunter stock with ACIS mag, a clamp on bolt knob, a rail with a 6-24x scope and had the barrel threaded for my 30 cal shoosher.
This is the fourth video I have seen in the last 48 hours about the .264 Winchester magnum. (2 by you) I built a custom 264 off the pre-64 Winchester action with a Lilja barrel. It is nice to see people rejuvenating this cartridge. Please keep doing videos on this round, especially as you start hand loading
6,5x55 of course😊
I love my .264 win mag! Reloading is where it really shines.
👍 Glad to see a fresh view on an old favorite!
More to come!
Hi Adam. The .264 win mag was one of 4 belted magnum rifle cartridges that Winchester introduced in the late fifties. They chambered the model 70 westerner in. 264 WM. This had a 26 inch barrel with a 1:10 twist rate. It went like a house on fire but had some problems. One of those was that it needs an extremely slow burning powder to fill the case and give consistent velocities. The available powders were faster burning, thus requiring smaller charges. When there is a sizeable air gap in a cartridge velocity can change due to powder positioning. The second problem was that Winchester used the same barrel steel in the .264WM as they did with other rifles. The throats of the barrels started burning out. Some of this was due to rapid firing, of course. So Winchester went to a different barrel steel composition. They also shortened the barrels to 22 inches for some rifles. Most folks realized that the .264 WM wasn't killing game any better than the. 270 Winchester. So... In 1962, Remington necked up the .264 WM case one half of millimeter and the rest is history. Heavier bullets and slower burning powder plus a half a millimeter more in diameter. You should check out the 6.5 Remington magnum like the .264 WM, a cartridge that showed up before the world was ready for it. Cheers and keep on keeping on!
My brother inlaw has a 264 win mag, and he loves it. He has used it for years for white tail deer and other big games. It has never failed him.
I’ve got a Remington 700 CDL in .264 win mag with a 26 inch barrel. Your chart is accurate they do make Remington factory loading with 100 grain bullets. I bought a bunch of 264 a few years ago Remington factory loading 140 grain which allegedly shoots in the 3200 fps. That Winchester is good stuff with 3173 that you got. You can hand load it to get 3300 fps max with 140 grain. They say the 264 is a barrel burner but that was with the older rifles, newer rifles have much better steel then those older ones. The Remington 7 mag took off better because you can load heavier bullets like 160 and 175 but there is no reason you can load a 160 in the 264. Nice rifle you have I love Remington 700s
Love that you corrected your own comment in the beginning with the charts in the end.
Nope the 6.5 Creedmoor isn’t doing 2880 out of a 26”. The ever honest Hornady marketing team has the Precision Hunter at 2700. Add another 50-60 for the 26” barrel. Same for Nosler load data which is usual aspirational at the top end. Max is shown as 2733, so 2790 in a 26”.So bottom line, even a cheapo load for this old lady outperforms top of the crop 6.5 Creedmoor
Blame the gun writers.. they labeled it overbore .. barrel burner 😮
I used to have a 6.5 Remington Mag.. which it and its brother the 350 Remington Mag were the first short magnums.
They're very similar to the 6.5 PRC and the 35 Whelen in my opinion
Nice rifle whoteewho.. looking forward to some bullet slinging videos ❤
I think that is because people were using them to shoot hundreds of prarie dogs in one sitting and overheating the barrels.
Cases are hard to find,bur you can make them out of. 7rem mag ,, Rcbs dies,, you will love the$$$savings,,Love the channel
Thanks for watching
I believe that Winchester control expansion is 25 years old. If you look inside the boxes flaps, you'll find a printing date.
I was thinking around 25 to 30 years myself. I remember buying them in the late 90’s
Believe it started in late 90s n ended in mid or late 2000s I have some in 7wsm and it didnt come out till 2004
This is one of my favorite cartridges of all time since the 1970’s. One they all originally had 1-9” twist. Factory ammo was offered in 100 grain at 3,600 fps and 140 at 3,200 fps. Amazing cartridge to take to a Prairie Dog Town. No issues with throat erosion if you limit number of shots to 8 or less and then go thru a cleaning snd cooling cycle. Same hold true for many high capacity cartridges with small bullet diameters. The original bullets offered by Winchester/Super-X. Were two dimensional. This reduced drag. 6.5 mm 140 is a very long shanked bullet. Winchester Western brass holds more volume than other brands& Norma
Is a close second. In addition the Winchester WLRM primer is hotter than other brands with the exception of Federal 215 which was developed for the 378 Wby Mag. Winchester had a propellant called 785. It was very slow for the time and Hodgdon had H870. These would produce the published velocity.
Other Mfg’s did not have these components. Therefore, for example, Remington could barely get 3,000 with a 140. Not much better than a 270 Win.
My favorite load is a 120 Nosler Ballastic Tip at 3,375. A 125 Partition at 3,325 and a 140 Partition at 3,175. These were I’m using WW Brass, Federal 215M, and MRP, RL33, & H869. I just found a cool load. 130 Federal Terminal Ascent with RL 33 produces 3,300 from a 24” barrel. I am going to give Hodgdon US860 a try. I suspect it will produce velocities over 3,300. The combination of 130 Accubound and 130 Terminal Ascent should be a do all.
The negative is the long shank high Bc bullets take away from powder capacity due to the short neck.
I have built 264’s and put the same freebore that is in a Weatherby Cartridge and build them on a true long action and the performance goes thru the roof.
I have killed Elk, Bears , Mule Deer, Whitetail, Sheep, Pronghorn, and many coyotes with this assume cartridge.
Built a rifle for a guy who was going Polar Bear Hunting. His 375 H&H malfunctioned and he wound up taking a Polar Bear with his 264 Win mag.
Most factory ammo has been turned down due to bad publicity. Nosler is/was producing a 130 Accubond load that was loaded to full potential.
Oh you’re killing me Who Tee! Where is the 26 Nosler??? 😂❤
😝😝😝
Love the 6.5's My dad had a 264 win mag, and we have a 6.5x55 swede, 6.5x '06, 6.5x284 win or lapua. They all shot great with the 120's up to 140's. The swede liked the 160 round nose, it was still in miltary furnature.. Enjoy the new bingbang I think you will have great luck with it!
My first venture into the 6.5 world was a 6.5x284 and it’s a serious tack driver. With nearly 0 ammo availability you definitely need to hand load. Also have a 6.5 creed and a 6.5-300 bee. Bought the 6.5-300 for Texas hunting and it’s crazy wicked shooting a 127 LRX at a tick over 3500 fps through the chrono. I rarely shoot it so my son makes sure it doesn’t get dusty. His last deer with it was a nice 8 pointer. Double lung, took a couple of stiff legged steps and fell over dead. Lungs were pretty much jelly. Now that there is plenty of load data out for the 6.5 PRC, that would probably by my all around choice. Hotter than the creed but probably doesn’t blow your eardrums out like the 6.5-300.
Maybe another one to check out 6.5mm Remington Magnum is a .264 I had one years ago model 600 I took a very nice Javan Rusa, keep up the great work, love the close out song.
As a kid in the 80s out in Wyoming, it was a fairly common occurrence to run into people hunting with 264 Win Mag. One of prettiest guns I have ever seen was a 264 Win Mag that was being raffled off for a charity. Guy had it built for a sheep hunt.
Back in the olden days, the early 70's, I determined I might want a .264 Win Mag. A friend, with several more years of shooting and reloading under his belt than I, said they were known for burning out barrels much too fast, and he recommended going with what he owned, a wildcat called the 6.5-06, and claimed it performed very close to the Win Mag. The urge eventually slipped from mind until recently when I picked up a 6.5 PRC!
It does come to the belt too, they're slightly more tricky to reload than non belted cartridges
264 win mag is a great reloader cartridge that really got a resurgence with the new interest in 6.5mm projectiles.
The PRCs have always been evolutions of previous magnum cartridges. 300, 7mm and 6.5. Old magnums were around when there was limitations in optics quality, ballistic calculations, and bullet construction so the general philosophy of the time was a lighter bullet moving as fast as possible to get the job done was more effective since that typically meant less drop.
With modern bullet construction and tech, heavier projectiles that will drop more but deflect wind better are favored and that's where the PRCs shine. Rounds that previously would have ate tons of case space or lead to dangerously compressed loads are now standard in the PRCs. Like the 150+ grain 6.5s, the 180 grain 7mms, or the 215+ grain 30 cals.
Hey Who Tee Who, Love you're stuff. I'm 64 life long shooter hunter and long distance rifle builder & competitor still. I seem to remember that the European calibers just couldn't get any traction in the US for a long time. Just the mindset of guys before us. As we all know the 6.5 is fantastic and I own several myself. Maybe it also has something to do with our enemies in both World Wars shot calibers in metric. 6.5, 7.7, 8mm and more. It was the the mindset in that time period that's all.
My dad had a Model 70 Westerner .264 Win Mag and from what I remember it was a shooting SOB. He mostly reloaded for it but I remember seeing those Winchester Super X Power Points on his reloading bench. The reason that it died off is because a bunch of gun writers wrote about it being a barrel burner and shortly after that Remington came out with the 7mm Rem Mag and it took off since it could shoot bullets up to 175 grains and became popular for Elk.
My Uncle had a 1960's mod 70 in 264wm and reloaded for it heavy. He was a "if the primer's still in it, must be safe" kinda guy. He estimated at around1,200 rounds the barrel was done. He made sure to sell it to someone he didn't know.
Decades ago the .264 Win Mag was described as kinda like a .270 Win with a short barrel life.
Love your breakdowns brother!
Something to keep in mind. The ELD bullets were designed specifically for the newer creedmoor-prc style riflles. They have a longer throat to accommodate the longer sleeker profile bullets like the ELDs. While they will work in the 264 mag, the longer bullet will protrude farther into the cartridge case do to the shorter throat. This could diminish the the case capacity thus lowering the velocity.
Have the same model 700 Remington in 264 win mag. Great Rifle .with modern powders super fun to shoot
My 264 ruger 77 with 24 inch barrel, 120s do 3360, 130s do 3250, 140s 3140s, 160s 2970, when you get to handloading your 264, start with h4831 and slower powders, imr 4831 and faster powders do weird things, start load of imr 4831 produced over 3800 fps with 140s in my rifle, h4831, mag pro and magnum, imr 7828 are better powders in the 264 with all weights, also, the winchester power point factory ammo sheds the core on game, only power point I've seen lose the core on game, look forward to more 264 videos, keep them coming
a good friend of mine has a 264 win mag in remington 700b bdl. he has had it for a very long time. among the many deer rifles he owns, it is his favorite cartridge. as far as i know, he always uses remington coreloked ammo. not sure what weight bullet. he swears by it. he also has some very nice bucks hanging in his den. must work pretty good.
Firstly, the .264 WM benefits from a 8-9 in twist rate with a preference for 8. It helps with greater stabalization. Also, try reloads with 160gr Woodleigh bullets for elk size game as well. Not many choices at 160gr out there. Watch your cartridge length and and enjoy the results.
I once owned a .264 Win Mag, sitting in a Rem. 700 classic. I was shooting 140 gr. Remember. corelocks. If I remember correctly, they were exiting the muzzle around 3100 + fps.
Bit of a fan of the 264. Back in 2006, my brother an I made a deal through a wholesaler and Remington to make a special run of 250 rifles with special SN#’s. All were mod 700’s stainless and synthetic stocks chambered in 264 Win Mag.
We also met with Chuck Prichard (a VP with Nosler ammunition) we supplied him with a pet load we had worked up using Nosler 100gr ballistic tip bullets.
Chuck called me back at our gunshop a couple of weeks later saying that they liked the load and were going to offer it as a factory loading. Their factory boxes listed a velocity of 3450fps
Most of the same loads the we tested usually showed a little over 3500fps.
We got extremely good accuracy from this load and very mild recoil. Very effective on whitetail.
I also noticed you are playing with a 220swift.
We made a similar deal with Remington in 2006 to produce a limited run of 500 special SN#’s in the mod 700 Stainless Classic with 24” barrels.
We sold a lot of both of those rifles in our local area in addition to customers (through other FFL dealers) in many other states. If you find one of these rifles, contact me back an I can give you the load data that we found to work very well in both calibers.
Wow awesome
All of the 264’s we had made were consecutive sn#’s starting with
WM 264-001 , WM264-002, ect
The 220 swifts also had consecutive sn#’s starting with SWFT-0001, SWFT-0002, ect.
THAT was a really fun video!! I know nothing about reloading. Also never heard of 6.5 WM before you bought that rifle. Thanks for the info brother!
Not a belted magnum cartridge fan. Tossing around between a 6.5 PRC and 6.5-06 AI. Definitely leaning towards the latter due to current logistics.
I've been tossing 6.5 prc, 6.8 Western, 7 prc and 7 Rem. Mag. around. Studying each. I like less recoil because of being busted up and full of shrapnel. I load for 6.5 creed which makes the prc using some of the same components. The 6.8 Western really has my interest but just not a lot of ammo selection or components on the market. Out of the 7mm's I'm leaning to the mag. I don't have to have any but if I were to hunt elk or bear I would like a little more getty-up and range than 6.5 creed or .308 Win.
@@nicholasbarcomb2324 I’d check out the 6.5 Weatherby RPM cartridge as well. You’ll get 264 mag ballistics with no belt.
The best 6.5 is the one you are MOST accurate with!
Impressive speeds on the 264 Mag. But the picture is a bit less rosy than depicted in the charts. The 264 Mag has a standard of 26” barrel and the 6.5 Creedmoor and PRC are on 24”. So to get this even you have to either add or subtract 50-60 ft/s
Pity the 264 Win Mag didn’t take off. I still like the 6.5 Swede hand loaded. Great video Hooty. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching
If you need any 264 mag cal brass you can use 7mm mag brass for it which is a lot easier to find
My .260 Rem is an absolute tack driver running 140's in the 2750 range, as is my 6.5x284 Norma running 140's near 3000fps. 6.5-300 is really just a necked down 7mm or should be. I'm a big fan of the .264". 8 of them live in my safe, in 4 different calibers. Having said that I've used the creedmor more for long range shooting and hunting than all the others combined.
I love my Creedmoors. 6 and 6.5 but I so much wish I'd never got rid of my 264 mag. It was a deer/Elk stopper. I miss it!
I enjoy watching your videos. There plenty of great cartridges that have been put to rest. its like big pharma and politics. Keep up the good work and keep the videos coming.
Bingo. Appreciate you watching!
My love affair with .264 started with the 6.5x55 Swede then the 264 Win Mg, then the 260 Rem. Now I'm' into the the 6.5 PRC. But The Magnum is way over due the respect it deserves, and need to get more support from firearms manufactures.
I’ve had about 5 different versions of the 264. Flat as a tack with the 100 Nosler BT.
Now, you need a fast twist barrel and slow powders like a N 565 or N 570. I can get 3150-3200+ easily.
Make .264 Win mag great again! You are correct gun writers criticized the cartridge into obsolescence. Keep in mind factory ammunition throttles it down. You can get 3200 out of a 140. If you drive high bc 140's fast and show what this cartridge can do maybe you can bring about some change. I agree the .264 Win mag should be more popular. But with factory ammunition they throttle it back and load it with standard cup and core bullets. I'm interested to see what it will do with Eld-x bullets and Accubond long range bullet along with Speer Impact. The other issue with the .264 Win is the barrel in factory rifles. Winchester still offers .264 but their barrel twist rate is 1 and 9" I feel with faster twist rates the potential for the .264 can be unlocked perhaps run Berger 150gr class bullets, north of 3000? It's definitely a sleeper cartridge. I feel Winchester missed an opportunity to modernize it. I feel people will expirement with it.
Look at the article in shooting times about the 264 Win Mag. It has some good information and comparisons.
The shooting world seems to always like the shiny new toy. Particularly the shooting and hunting journalists and writers are the ones that quickly jump on the new calibers and cartridges quickly forgetting about their old favorites from last year. And of course all the shooters and hunters reading the magazines back then rushed out to buy that new rifle in the hot new caliber that was magically going to make them all better shooters and hunters. The 264 WM was and is still a very good choice for hunting. It’s even better today than it was way back then because of the popularity of the 6.5 mm offerings of today. There are a wide variety of 6.5 bullets in different weights and bullet construction available in factory ammunition and as individual components for the hand loader to work up those custom loads tailored to their needs.
Interesting video, never shot a 264 win mag, but I’ve been shooting a 6.5 Winchester short mag (wsm) for the last decade. It just flat out kills everything here in New Zealand, especially with 140gr bullets around 3200fps.
If Winchester had of officially released it along with the 270, 7mm & 300 wsm’s, I doubt the 6.5 PRC would exist today.
I remember when the 264 was introduced as the perfect rifle for deer hunting...I'm always cautious about the new calibers ...
Mainly because of availability of ammo..
This was back before online purchase of ammo was available..
Would it be on the shelf at the average sporting goods store
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The 264 Win Mag is wildly under rated on thin skinned game, especially if your out west! Its a great loading that I think balances velocity, recoil and decent barrel life with todays advances in powder and bullet technology.
The 6.5x57 Mauser is the very first 6.5 preceding all
Nope 6.5x55SE is 3 years older 1891 6.5x57 is 1894 😉 but yep they are both old but still going strong
I have a 6.5x55SE in a Mauser M12, my dad has a 6.5x57R in a Merkel K4 Kipplaufbüchse both are really good shooting Rifles and both work fine on Game
@@lenzadlberger Though well established in Europe as a cartridge for hunting today, it is difficult to determine the date for when the 6.5x57 Rimmed was first introduced. The evidence, and lack thereof, seems to suggest that it arrived on the scene during the 1890s. Firearms historians believe the 6.5x57mm may have been developed initially for service in the Italian military, and they also believe that this cartridge influenced the development of the 6.5x58 Portuguese Mauser.
@@lenzadlberger I picked up a Gehmann Konstanz Mauser in the 6.5x57 combination with a hidden .22 in the forearm. Fun stuff!
@@markm7077 6.5x57R is till this day very Popular for Kipplaufbüchsen Blaser K95 Merkel K5 ....
I'll vote for the RPM. The most you can get out of a standard bolt-face.
The best 6.5 is the 25-06 Rem or the 257 Weatherby 😂😂😂 264 is actually 6.7mm. Our system is goofy! Great video as always! ❤
@@ANW-cl7bw the best 6.5 is the prc
@user-sp9hy8tq4j except the 6.5 PRC is actually a 6.7 so doesn't qualify LOL😂
264 win mag is one of my top choices for 90% of game. Handloading can get this cartridge to stupid velocities. My personal choice is the barnes LRX 127gr pushing 3250fps. Be careful with some of the cup and core bullets, some of them don't do well at high velocity.
There’s lots of the 264 win mags out there, they had the reputation of burning out barrels, not sure that true but I used to hear that
With the 1-9 twist they shoot like a swift the harder you push the more accurate they are. Push that bastard
Have you ever seen, or tried, some old Europeans 6.5 calibers ? In the past, the 6.5x57 and 6.5x57 R were pretty common in Germany and countries having their hunting influences, but I don't know if they are well known in USA ? The 6.5x55 is still very popular across Europe and even more in Scandinavia. The 6.5x68 and its rimmed version were also quite popular but now their success are fading really quickly, despite they offer the 6.5 PRC performances. I used that caliber in an old Steyr-Mannlicher, but the main problem nowadays is their slow twist rate designed for lightweight bullets...I tried some modern bullets through that rifle but bullets used to hit the target on their side.
Never.
Seen any of those around here
Wish they still made it I would buy it in a heart beat !!!
Winchester still chambers it in the model 70. A lot of people like to bad mouth the new ones because they’re made in Portugal but I bought a new featherweight in 6.8 western last year and it’s shooting .75 inch groups with factory ammo. I have 3 model 70s and the new ones are some of the nicest rifles you can buy off the shelf
@@Matt01235 I already have a .264 on a Sako but to good of shape to hunt with Sure would like one but not in a featherweight
The downside of older rifles with the .264 Win Mag is the 10:1 - 9:1 twist rates of the original factory barrels may not stabilize the heaviest of the new longer sleeker bullets as well as a shorter throat may require a little bullet set back into the case to seat the which takes away from some of the powder capacity and raises the pressure more than if the bullet can be seated out. The rifle was called .264 because Winchester thought American's were not into the metric system in 1958 when it was introduced. The cartridge suffered from bullets suitability and barrel steel quality of the late 1950's. If introduced now it I would bet it would beat the 6.5 PRC in popularity. Think the modern .264 would have a 1:8 twist with a longer throat.
How bout 6.5x284. The best one hands down !
It may be a few years off plus or minus but if manufacturer date isn't on the box, look at the trademark or copyright date on the box.
Hi Larry here you still need to try a 280 rem ,I've hunted with one for years, fantastic round for sure
You mentioned the name they already have a 6.5 Remington magnum in my opinion it's ballistics are the same as the 6.5PRC . I own a 264 win mag and a 6.5 Remington magnum they are pretty close to the same speed I have some good load data for the 264 if you interested
Remington had a 6.5 Remington Magnum years ago. It was a short action.
I have an older Model 70 .264 Win-Mag with a modified trigger, must be 1.5 pounds pull. Seriously don't put a finger on the trigger, till the crosshairs are on the target. The old ones had steel on the butt instead of rubber pads, so it kicks, gotta be ready for that too. I also built a 6.5 Creedmoor AR-10, the AR-10 is like a toy compared to the .264.
Unfortunately, I know nothing about it's history before finding it in my barn in 2001.
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If they want to bring back the 264 win mag just rebrand as 6.5 Win Mag and it would be the next best thing.
Yup
I must be getting long in the tooth because I still have a love affair going with the 6.5x55 Swede.
When I realised that the cartridge is basically still the same after over a century I thought, "if it ain't broke don't fix it".
Not saying it deserves to be on the list, but what about the 6.5 grendel?
Way below the creedmoor even
I say as the Brits do: Horses for Courses. My little Zastává bolt Grendel is screaming to be reloaded a bit hot. Deer hunting ranges here in the mixed woodlands of Indiana often are down under 100 yds, and usually less. I have some 125 gr Nos Partitions to reload for it. The plan is to sight it to 40 yds, so it's laser flat to ~125.
My long shooters are 6.5x55 and 7mm08.
264 win mag is one of my all-time favorite calibers! I'm hoping it makes a comeback?
I love it
Much more interesting to me than the v0 would be the v100. BC given to bullet-design should be an advantage of the modern calibers such as the prc‘s an creddmoor‘s. You don’t need necessarily „waymore“ muzzlevelocity if you don’t loose much speed.
Can you do the fastest 22 caliber. I have an idea but would love to see your perspective.
I like the 260 Remington
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With the advent of necking down and shortening the 416 Rigby & 404 Jefferies cases has pretty much made the belted cases obsolete.