...What on earth made her think the population of one relatively small mountain keep would be able to go to war with a nation of powerful mages and win?
I guess if you truly believed the Inquisitor was the chosen of Andraste, who was in turn the chosen of a god, then maybe you'd think that they on their own had the power to do that simply because they were blessed and it was their destiny to destroy Tevinter, heck depending on the Inquisitor's choices, maybe they encouraged that belief. In reality though, this is pretty stupid unless Hira believed the Inquisition would unite the armies of Orlais, Fereldan and maybe the Free Marches to wage war against the Venatori, which in turn would cause a war with Tevinter at large. That was never going to happen after Corypheus and the rifts were dealt with because it wasn't in any of their interests really. Without Corypheus, his orb, and his control over the blight, the Venatori weren't much of a threat to their individual nations; not to mention, they just got off the mage/templar war, fighting groups of angry mages, even those who supported Tevinter (as some rebel mages did) must seem kind of boring to them at this point.
The Inquisition isn't as small as you think, Ferelden was nervous about a potential coup with having a private military that has the backing of the Orlesian empire on its doorstep.
@@hajde8128 Ferelden's been busted up recently enough that it would make sense for them to be nervous of a popular, fast growing PMC. Especially since they've seen the Warden use the same tactics to spectacular effect and boot out Loghain
Yeah, this sounds like the person I would hire to recover the Circulum for me. A crybaby who stormed out and quit because I wouldn't genocide Tevinter, which included her.
I think it was because she is from Tevinter and so knows how things work there and with the magical knowledge needed for such task. There aren't many Tevenes of noble family who hate the Imperium as Much as Hira or the Crimson Knight
@@AlexZebol yes they did do a lot of good for the inquisition too. Just coz the devs didnt do more shit with the war table thing. Doesn't make what the war table missions do any less insignificant for the inquisition .
Because if the Inquisition went against the Venatori, who also happen to be the strongest magistars of Tevinter, it would be like declaring war. So, understandable why the Inquisition refused to do so.
Venatori isn't Magisters, they are fanatics trying to restore the old Imperium and previously ally to Corypheus. The Inquisition have been fighting these guys in DA: Inquisition. The problem is, the Inquisition can't have a risk fighting Imperium since they're now disbanded and the Imperium aren't the enemy of the Inquistion.
@@user-pm3wk6lw6m umm inquisition had to face the archdemon and only interfered in those matters only when it was necessary. Tevinter is a different matter
Spoiler ahead Especially because the Inquisition's goal was not to attack Tevinter, but to stop the Breach. The fact that the culprit was from Tevinter was a coincidence. Even if the ones who caused the Breach were Nevarrans, Orlesian or even Antivan they would have fought against them, so Hira got it all wrong.
@@user-ti7ts7rb7q 😂 taking in mind that the gameplay was dumbed down in Inquisition and that it is the easiest of the 3 games even in Nightmare, and that even storywise you get an army and worshippers on a silver plate within the first 2 hours of the game, I would say it was definitely very easy. Add to that most of time the Inquisitor just chills behind a war table, send his/her armies to do most of the job, and then he/she just arrives with his/her Mary Sue hand to clear the leftovers. If something, the characters in this game had it very easy.
The Inquisition formed to fight problems literally no one else had the capacity or wherewithal to even approach. The only reason it even played nice with Orlais or Ferelden was because it had to operate in those territories. Even now, the only reason it's remnants still operate is to try and stop the literal end of the world. Tevinter isn't that level of threat. They are literally too small a problem for the Inquisition's methods to work on effectively.
Besides, if the ‘Vints were gone, who’s going to be a buffer against the Qun? I’d rather those two keep their pissing match going, while everyone else rests up after the THREE CREATOR DAMNED DISASTERS that took place down south all within two decades.
Not really. Tevinter has access to magic that only they can use, military force strong enough to go toe to toe against the Qunari, and technology merged with magic. Let's not forget that despite the strength of the Qunari powder we saw a few Venatori mages can wipe out an entire dreadnought with ease. And Orlais and Ferelden is already having a hard time to counter Qunari Dreadnought (Orlais trying to get their hands on one since DA2). Also despite the hatred against the Tevinter, they're the only ones standing between Qunari and the rest of thedas, if Tevinter falls, only the Qun will benefit from it. Tevinter troops are enchanted and having significantly more and stronger mages far stronger than all the circle combined, let's not forget they're the masters of blood magic and many more dark arts only they studied. Mages can wipe out armies, and they even have their own templars. Tevinter mages are ahead to magic compared to all their human counterpart thanks to them having little to no limits and restraints in terms of magical research and progression, compared to the circle and qun who pisses themselves whenever they see new magic.
Here's the thing, if the Inquisition really wanted to, they could have gone to war with Tevinter, they had allies in nearly all of southern Thedas, an army large and well-trained enough to assault a fully occupied, demon-infested Warden fortress, and they could have easily justified themselves by the actions of the Venatori. Only one problem, they had other problems to deal with after Corypheus, like leftover Fade Rifts, insurgents from the civil war, demons and undead plaguing the countryside, the remaining Venatori and Red Templars, and at the end of all of that was Ferelden and Orlais turning on them because they stopped being so convenient for solving their problems. Hira is a selfish, short-sighted, and a downright terrible person who literally says she cares more about her vendetta than the one she claims to love and care about, so of course she'd say something like this. Dear maker, she makes my blood BOIL.
Why would they even attack Tevinter in the first place? There is not a reason to do so. Also, according to you, after defeating Tevinter (personally, I find the Inquisition so overrated) with its great and Mary Sue might... would the Inquisition also stop the Qunari advance into Thedas? I doubt it. Because remember the only reason they haven't gotten that far is because of Tevinter.
😂, Chad, yeah sure. Especially when the Inquisitor does almost nothing and just waits for his/her advisor and troops to clear most of the way for him/her to arrive 😂. If something, the Inquisitor is the less chad of all tje protagonists.
"I'd really love to help you on this girl but you see, I have a good friend from Tevinter and he kinda has a better plan, and those elfroots won't pick themselves up!"
why do they keep doing this with these stories im so tired of having to tiptoe around shit in these games and getting temper tantrums left and right you could make a decision based on keeping more people safe compared to one that will kill thousands of innocents in the process with only a small chance of doing what the plan was supposed to do and get moaned at . though i can get if if she just vastly overestimated the inquisitions forces but the " i found someone braver" is aaargh
For me it depends on the situation. At some moments I have it too (usually with stupid companions) and at other times, an interesting difficult moral situation where I actually hurt someone to help someone.
Most of the big decisions have consequences of equal seriousness. You will always have a few of the companions or characters disagree with your decisions because if they made everyone agree with everything it would be boring as hell and there would be no problem to solve. They wouldn't need your character there to make the decision if everyone agreed already with what should be done. The point is that there is usually no correct answer to these choices. By design you can't please everyone; if there were decisions that would please all the characters, people would rightly complain that the game pressured you into making you choose that decision over another.
I took it as her being resolute...but shortsighted. When we get tunnel visioned, everything BUT our objective becomes irrelevant regardless of its actual importance. She couldn't see past the Venatori, but as people playing Inquisition KNOW-there was a loooot more going on that needed attention beyond the Venatori. When we don't have to see the destruction and aftermath of-well everything else like the Inquisitor did, its easy to forget a wars going on in the first place.
I feel like bioware lie to shit on us for every decision n matter what well almost i did like when I picked mages and Cullen got all pouty only for Cassandra to tell him to shut up and said "what are the templars going to do ?suck the magic out"?
El tema es que la misión de la Inquisición era cerrar la Brecha. No entrar en guerra con Tevinter. Fue una equivocación de Hira meterse pensando que conseguiría eso.
@@edkcorner4036 Destruir toda una nacion no es facil ni conveniente cuando hay un agujero en el cielo sacando demonios que quieren matar a todos. Estoy seguro que es mas coneniente para todos que trabajan en evitar que demonios entren por un agujero del cielo.
Hira es un perro rabioso que también mataría a todas las mujeres, niños y ancianos inocentes de Tevinter que no tenían nada que ver con los asesinos de su familia; esto la convierte en un monstruo aún peor que ellos, considerando también que engañó a Miriam y quería venderla para vengarse.
Ahh Yess, mages... I wonder where their problem came from, wrongdoing of their magical ability i guess? And the whole nation got impacted because lf it? No wonder
As bad as it was the only viable solution is siding with the Templars. Siding with the Mages only leads to chaos and destruction because eventual demonic influence and eventually possession. Unfortunately no one knows what creates a mage so all that can be done is to tightly control them once found. Are there corrupt or power hungry Templars? of course there are. While not all mages mean to do harm or will ever be corrupted. It only takes a rogue mage to cause the destruction of basically a nuclear bomb. Anyone of those going off is just too potentially dangerous. The damage a rogue Templar can do compared to a rogue Mage is many orders of magnitude. This is also why Tevinter is so damn dangerous and also why the next expansion MUST cover that location. What a magic fueled society looks like.
@@dranzerjetli5126 Yes i played but never saw gay look, gay kissing etc. If you mean "conversations is gay", I say you are hard gay whom understood every gay urban conversations.
@@dranzerjetli5126 Charles is right Netflix turned DA absolution to SJW show. Orlesian, Dwarf, Hira, Miriam they all gay characters. I dont care about who romances who but its obivous they are pushing so hard to fit that same-sex relationship to DA(which there was also in it since DA origins but it was not for trying to get love of SJW's it was for expanding universe). You dont have to make gay characters to get a good amount of viewer and a good show but idiots dont see that. Hell you dont even have to make romantic relationship to create a good series-story etc. Just look at Rogue One, everyone dreamed Cassian would kiss Jyn in the end but they remained a friend! Because guess what in the fookin world you dont always have to get romantic relationship with a person which you are close female or male doesnt matter.
@@TheBurak47 It wasn't absolution, Dragon Age has become woke since Inquisition. Didn't we have Krem there, developers retconning the Qunari lore to suit their woke agenda, being lectured by them using Iron Bull as their advocate. Krem, a boring character that only trait is being trans. Even Dorian, he is more developed, but his entire personal quest is telling in your face. I AM GAY! And his entire persona is I AM GAY, FABULOUS, ALWAYS RIGHT, AND ALWAYS WITH THE LAST WORD. As much as I dislike Sera, I have to say that at least being lesbian is not what defines her character, unlike the other two. Who are just then as token characters.
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This must have happened while the inquisitor was out picking elfroot
...What on earth made her think the population of one relatively small mountain keep would be able to go to war with a nation of powerful mages and win?
I guess if you truly believed the Inquisitor was the chosen of Andraste, who was in turn the chosen of a god, then maybe you'd think that they on their own had the power to do that simply because they were blessed and it was their destiny to destroy Tevinter, heck depending on the Inquisitor's choices, maybe they encouraged that belief. In reality though, this is pretty stupid unless Hira believed the Inquisition would unite the armies of Orlais, Fereldan and maybe the Free Marches to wage war against the Venatori, which in turn would cause a war with Tevinter at large. That was never going to happen after Corypheus and the rifts were dealt with because it wasn't in any of their interests really. Without Corypheus, his orb, and his control over the blight, the Venatori weren't much of a threat to their individual nations; not to mention, they just got off the mage/templar war, fighting groups of angry mages, even those who supported Tevinter (as some rebel mages did) must seem kind of boring to them at this point.
@@Luv2sing836 exactly
The Inquisition isn't as small as you think, Ferelden was nervous about a potential coup with having a private military that has the backing of the Orlesian empire on its doorstep.
Heck, even the Qunari cant destroy them
@@hajde8128 Ferelden's been busted up recently enough that it would make sense for them to be nervous of a popular, fast growing PMC. Especially since they've seen the Warden use the same tactics to spectacular effect and boot out Loghain
Yeah, this sounds like the person I would hire to recover the Circulum for me. A crybaby who stormed out and quit because I wouldn't genocide Tevinter, which included her.
I think it was because she is from Tevinter and so knows how things work there and with the magical knowledge needed for such task.
There aren't many Tevenes of noble family who hate the Imperium as Much as Hira or the Crimson Knight
are you saying she was wrong lol
@@luk6997 Any solution that includes genocide is wrong
Well if you played the actual game this is it. This is the exact type of person someone hires in dragon age. Lol
@@TystolfoBased
The Inqusition can't march on Tevinter 'cause everything meaningful they ever did was handled by 4 people 😆
I won't stand the disrespect to sutherland
@@dranzerjetli5126 a war table set of "missions"... Really?
@@AlexZebol yes they did do a lot of good for the inquisition too. Just coz the devs didnt do more shit with the war table thing. Doesn't make what the war table missions do any less insignificant for the inquisition .
Because if the Inquisition went against the Venatori, who also happen to be the strongest magistars of Tevinter, it would be like declaring war. So, understandable why the Inquisition refused to do so.
To demand of them to go up against an Empire was just delusional.
Venatori isn't Magisters, they are fanatics trying to restore the old Imperium and previously ally to Corypheus. The Inquisition have been fighting these guys in DA: Inquisition. The problem is, the Inquisition can't have a risk fighting Imperium since they're now disbanded and the Imperium aren't the enemy of the Inquistion.
yeah but they could win
@@Mediados I dunno, Inquisition was strong enough to challenge Ferelden and Orlais and influential enough to kickstart new Exalted March
@@user-pm3wk6lw6m umm inquisition had to face the archdemon and only interfered in those matters only when it was necessary. Tevinter is a different matter
"What do you mean your not gonna fix MY problem that could possibly cause countless others?!"
We did the best we could
Huh?
@@Palpad100 Royal ,,we". We Inquisition.
And it wasn't easy 😤😔😅
Spoiler ahead
Especially because the Inquisition's goal was not to attack Tevinter, but to stop the Breach. The fact that the culprit was from Tevinter was a coincidence.
Even if the ones who caused the Breach were Nevarrans, Orlesian or even Antivan they would have fought against them, so Hira got it all wrong.
@@user-ti7ts7rb7q 😂 taking in mind that the gameplay was dumbed down in Inquisition and that it is the easiest of the 3 games even in Nightmare, and that even storywise you get an army and worshippers on a silver plate within the first 2 hours of the game, I would say it was definitely very easy.
Add to that most of time the Inquisitor just chills behind a war table, send his/her armies to do most of the job, and then he/she just arrives with his/her Mary Sue hand to clear the leftovers.
If something, the characters in this game had it very easy.
I love that they view the Inquisitor as this extremely mysterious person, not fixed on race, gender or romance option
As any other protagonist in any other DA media.
Well, forgive me! I was just a little busy patching a hole in the sky! And fighting a crazy blight mage!
"You didn't fix MY problem! WHAA!"
The Inquisition formed to fight problems literally no one else had the capacity or wherewithal to even approach. The only reason it even played nice with Orlais or Ferelden was because it had to operate in those territories. Even now, the only reason it's remnants still operate is to try and stop the literal end of the world. Tevinter isn't that level of threat. They are literally too small a problem for the Inquisition's methods to work on effectively.
Besides, if the ‘Vints were gone, who’s going to be a buffer against the Qun? I’d rather those two keep their pissing match going, while everyone else rests up after the THREE CREATOR DAMNED DISASTERS that took place down south all within two decades.
Not really. Tevinter has access to magic that only they can use, military force strong enough to go toe to toe against the Qunari, and technology merged with magic. Let's not forget that despite the strength of the Qunari powder we saw a few Venatori mages can wipe out an entire dreadnought with ease. And Orlais and Ferelden is already having a hard time to counter Qunari Dreadnought (Orlais trying to get their hands on one since DA2). Also despite the hatred against the Tevinter, they're the only ones standing between Qunari and the rest of thedas, if Tevinter falls, only the Qun will benefit from it. Tevinter troops are enchanted and having significantly more and stronger mages far stronger than all the circle combined, let's not forget they're the masters of blood magic and many more dark arts only they studied. Mages can wipe out armies, and they even have their own templars. Tevinter mages are ahead to magic compared to all their human counterpart thanks to them having little to no limits and restraints in terms of magical research and progression, compared to the circle and qun who pisses themselves whenever they see new magic.
The goal was to stop corypheus and bring order. Not go after tevinter.
Here's the thing, if the Inquisition really wanted to, they could have gone to war with Tevinter, they had allies in nearly all of southern Thedas, an army large and well-trained enough to assault a fully occupied, demon-infested Warden fortress, and they could have easily justified themselves by the actions of the Venatori. Only one problem, they had other problems to deal with after Corypheus, like leftover Fade Rifts, insurgents from the civil war, demons and undead plaguing the countryside, the remaining Venatori and Red Templars, and at the end of all of that was Ferelden and Orlais turning on them because they stopped being so convenient for solving their problems. Hira is a selfish, short-sighted, and a downright terrible person who literally says she cares more about her vendetta than the one she claims to love and care about, so of course she'd say something like this. Dear maker, she makes my blood BOIL.
Touche
Why would they even attack Tevinter in the first place? There is not a reason to do so.
Also, according to you, after defeating Tevinter (personally, I find the Inquisition so overrated) with its great and Mary Sue might... would the Inquisition also stop the Qunari advance into Thedas?
I doubt it.
Because remember the only reason they haven't gotten that far is because of Tevinter.
sorry but my chad dwarf warrior has more important things to do
😂, Chad, yeah sure. Especially when the Inquisitor does almost nothing and just waits for his/her advisor and troops to clear most of the way for him/her to arrive 😂. If something, the Inquisitor is the less chad of all tje protagonists.
I don't think she understands the fact that despite the inquisitor is powerful, going to war with a whole nation is still a bad idea
Especially when the inquisitor is friend with an altus who pretty much makes improving tevinter his reason to live 😕.
Well, the Inquisitor WAS powerful with his/her Mary Sue hand. Not anymore.
Someone call the WAAAAAmbulance.
What's so hard? Just put it on the table mission. XD
"I'd really love to help you on this girl but you see, I have a good friend from Tevinter and he kinda has a better plan, and those elfroots won't pick themselves up!"
ZAAAMN, i love when characters just go on a rant about their tragic backstory!!! THERE IS EVEN A FLASHBACK??!!! WHAT is this a Stanley Kubrick film?!!
Some nameless one, wanting to question the decisions of the herald of andraste? laughable…
You can't please everyone.
why do they keep doing this with these stories im so tired of having to tiptoe around shit in these games and getting temper tantrums left and right you could make a decision based on keeping more people safe compared to one that will kill thousands of innocents in the process with only a small chance of doing what the plan was supposed to do and get moaned at . though i can get if if she just vastly overestimated the inquisitions forces but the " i found someone braver" is aaargh
For me it depends on the situation. At some moments I have it too (usually with stupid companions) and at other times, an interesting difficult moral situation where I actually hurt someone to help someone.
Most of the big decisions have consequences of equal seriousness. You will always have a few of the companions or characters disagree with your decisions because if they made everyone agree with everything it would be boring as hell and there would be no problem to solve. They wouldn't need your character there to make the decision if everyone agreed already with what should be done. The point is that there is usually no correct answer to these choices. By design you can't please everyone; if there were decisions that would please all the characters, people would rightly complain that the game pressured you into making you choose that decision over another.
I took it as her being resolute...but shortsighted. When we get tunnel visioned, everything BUT our objective becomes irrelevant regardless of its actual importance. She couldn't see past the Venatori, but as people playing Inquisition KNOW-there was a loooot more going on that needed attention beyond the Venatori. When we don't have to see the destruction and aftermath of-well everything else like the Inquisitor did, its easy to forget a wars going on in the first place.
Thats why I always ally with templars, also getting best boy Cole earlier
Cole 🤮
Ah, the only good bit!
I feel like bioware lie to shit on us for every decision n matter what well almost i did like when I picked mages and Cullen got all pouty only for Cassandra to tell him to shut up and said "what are the templars going to do ?suck the magic out"?
o sea que ellos solo te ayudan, solo si les conviene ,como siempre
El tema es que la misión de la Inquisición era cerrar la Brecha. No entrar en guerra con Tevinter. Fue una equivocación de Hira meterse pensando que conseguiría eso.
@@nachoyoutube2732 como siempre las necesidades de los otros nunca les van a importar, salvo cuando les conviene
@@edkcorner4036 Destruir toda una nacion no es facil ni conveniente cuando hay un agujero en el cielo sacando demonios que quieren matar a todos. Estoy seguro que es mas coneniente para todos que trabajan en evitar que demonios entren por un agujero del cielo.
@@himynameisfelipe4042 cual es la diferencia cambian un enemigo por otro, los demonios matan los humanos matan
Hira es un perro rabioso que también mataría a todas las mujeres, niños y ancianos inocentes de Tevinter que no tenían nada que ver con los asesinos de su familia; esto la convierte en un monstruo aún peor que ellos, considerando también que engañó a Miriam y quería venderla para vengarse.
Ahh Yess, mages...
I wonder where their problem came from, wrongdoing of their magical ability i guess?
And the whole nation got impacted because lf it? No wonder
Number of characters: 8
Number of gays: 5
Who's the fifth one?
1. Josephine.
2. Dorian.
3. Sera.
4. Iron Bull.
5. ?
Are you new to Dragon Age?
@@Rama-fg2ck Scout Harding
@@Rama-fg2ck Josephine and Iron Bull aren’t gay though, they’re just Bi.
@@Tystolfo So they are part-time gay. Also add Liliana to that list.
Sorry girl but Inquisitor doesn't consider mages as human beings so your opinion will be ignored
As bad as it was the only viable solution is siding with the Templars. Siding with the Mages only leads to chaos and destruction because eventual demonic influence and eventually possession. Unfortunately no one knows what creates a mage so all that can be done is to tightly control them once found.
Are there corrupt or power hungry Templars? of course there are. While not all mages mean to do harm or will ever be corrupted. It only takes a rogue mage to cause the destruction of basically a nuclear bomb. Anyone of those going off is just too potentially dangerous. The damage a rogue Templar can do compared to a rogue Mage is many orders of magnitude.
This is also why Tevinter is so damn dangerous and also why the next expansion MUST cover that location. What a magic fueled society looks like.
Dragon Age: Shemale/Gay Edition.
Do you even play dragon age lol
@@dranzerjetli5126 Yes i played but never saw gay look, gay kissing etc. If you mean "conversations is gay", I say you are hard gay whom understood every gay urban conversations.
@@dranzerjetli5126 Charles is right Netflix turned DA absolution to SJW show. Orlesian, Dwarf, Hira, Miriam they all gay characters. I dont care about who romances who but its obivous they are pushing so hard to fit that same-sex relationship to DA(which there was also in it since DA origins but it was not for trying to get love of SJW's it was for expanding universe). You dont have to make gay characters to get a good amount of viewer and a good show but idiots dont see that. Hell you dont even have to make romantic relationship to create a good series-story etc. Just look at Rogue One, everyone dreamed Cassian would kiss Jyn in the end but they remained a friend! Because guess what in the fookin world you dont always have to get romantic relationship with a person which you are close female or male doesnt matter.
@@TheBurak47 It wasn't absolution, Dragon Age has become woke since Inquisition.
Didn't we have Krem there, developers retconning the Qunari lore to suit their woke agenda, being lectured by them using Iron Bull as their advocate.
Krem, a boring character that only trait is being trans.
Even Dorian, he is more developed, but his entire personal quest is telling in your face. I AM GAY! And his entire persona is I AM GAY, FABULOUS, ALWAYS RIGHT, AND ALWAYS WITH THE LAST WORD.
As much as I dislike Sera, I have to say that at least being lesbian is not what defines her character, unlike the other two. Who are just then as token characters.
@@wardensurana8336 yeah you are right but Sera was so annoying character