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I use my 6 band EQ up front with a 10 band and parametric EQs in the loop. Pretty much an unlimited array of tone options at hand. The most powerful and underused effect pedal by most non-pro guitarists.
Hi ! If you don't mind, I have a question since you use parametric and band EQ... :) What is the difference between them ? And is there a reason for putting the parametric in the loop ?
@@Toronado7590 The parametric EQ has much more capacity to chose and tweak the frequencies you want to increase or reduce in your signal. A conventional EQ has a specific 6 or 10 preselected frequencies and you're stuck with those. I use it in the loop because I want it as a frequency shaping tool that won't be impacted by the tone stack of the amp. If it's up front I find it's less effective.
Hi John, hi everybody. O use a boss eq-200. This pedal allows me to equalize the pre-amp and the power amp at the same time. It has 2 inputs and 2 outputs wich allows to use it in stereo too. With a H&K Grandmeister 40 deluxe, wich is a great amp with 4 channels, the possibilities on having diferent sounds is huge.
Do you have an EQ pedal? How do you use yours? Let us know in the comments! Also note: if you didn't like how I used the EQ in this video that's totally fine! That's the cool thing about EQ pedals, you can use them however you'd like. They're very flexible tools! This is just an example of how you can use them but of course you have to use your ears!
Sometimes as an overall tone shaping tool but right now it's set up for guitar B, so I just kick it in to equalize for the different tonal characteristics when I pull out that axe. I don't like fiddling with all my amp knobs just when I switch guitars.
no, i agree. the fx loop eq to me sounded too much like a blanket over the cab, a bit of flattening or boost of treble would have been better to my ear. i did like the low mid punch, i prefer bass cut. but that's the beauty of everyone's different ears, we all have different likes.
Exactly, that's the cool thing about EQ, you can shape it however you like! This was just an example anyway. Use it however your ears tell you to use it!
@@MRxr400 Which is odd, since I play a TH30 head, with my MXR Ten Band EQ, first in my chain thru the FX loop, and mine sounds like it lifts the blanket off. I wonder if it’s because he’s using a cab simulation, instead of a real cab?
I have 3 Amps which are different in their styles.... since I have the Mxr 6 Band in the Loop I have the feeling I can cover every tone/amp needed... Such a mighty tool.
Perfect-I use the MXR 10 band Eq n run it in my ENGL fireball FX loop which really cuts thru the mix. I prefer a TS-9 to run straight into my Orange to overdrive the gain a bit. Great post...
To me it wasn’t that the guitar tone sounded that much better but it was that I could hear the bass and kick drum more clearly and the low end of the entire track punched a little more. With no eq the guitar low end dominated the track which can be a cool sound. Different flavors and decisions
Hot take: EQs are the best pedal you can add to any rig. I've been using EQs in the loop for years as boosts and tone-shapers, but after watching this video and Tom Bukovac's rig rundown i decided that i should also try the EQ in front of the amp as a sort of drive pedal. Now I have two MXR Tenbands on the board and the options are incredible. First EQ is right before the Preamp-Input. Works as a boost, tone shaping tool, but i can also use it as a filter for fuzzes and ODs that are in front of it. EQ in the loop: cutting through the livemix by pushing the mids but compensating in the low end. Roll of some highs for warmer solo tone too. Straight up live level boost if i wanted to and of course the tone shaping aspect for recording.
Oh man, I run a stereo rig with my TH30 as the more background tone producer. Also, not to brag, but I totally own an MXR ten-band EQ :). This video is practically made for me! Thank you for making the videos that you make.
I used this, but in a 6 band EQ in the loop of my Mesa Mini Recto. The difference is absolutely unbelievable and I am left questioning why I've never used one before. It's completely taken away the need for an OD, and doesn't cut away any of the low end on the amp - whilst tightening the 'Flub' up at the same time. Outstanding
Great demo! Been waiting to pull the trigger on a 10 band eq for a while. One thing I would personally love to see is how one performs with a full pedalboard, specifically with a boost pedal engaged. I find the tube screamer adds a lot of harsh frequencies and would love to see how it reacts to something like that.
I have a stereo rig - a Laney IRT 60 head and an Orange Terror Stamp on my pedal board. The Laney gives me a modern, tight heavy rock sound, and the Terror Stamp has a Russian Big Muff in front of it for a stoner rock sound. The Terror Stamp only has a shape control for eq, and I have that set to about 11 o'clock. I recently added a 7 band eq pedal between the Muff and the Terror, to pull some of the low mids out by a couple of db. It sits way better with the Laney now and the combined tone is huge. They run though a 2x12 stereo cab, the Laney drives a Celestion V30 and the Orange drive a Celestion G12 Anniversary. The sound guy mics each speaker and pans them apart. Fun times.
This was super helpful! I love my Orange but I did always find that low end flub kind of annoying. I didn't realize an EQ pedal could eliminate that. Guess I'm buying an EQ now
I was gifted the 10 band for my birthday today so I ran: Les Paul: - Seymore Duncan Full Shred Neck and Screamin’ Demon bridge. Chain: > tuner > Hendrix octafuzz > ProCo Rat Big Box > JHS 3 Series OD > JHS Double Barrel V4 > this EQ > Walrus Audio V2 > Boss Katana 50W set to 25W. Nothing sounds bad through that EQ. Nothing. I play blues rock but venture into Wolfmother and Muse a lot. Buy this. I’m serious. It may be all you need. If not, get a JHS Morning Glory too
Even the mxr 6 band can be a great tool. I was using one as a mid bump on pedals that didn't have quite enough, or to add a little flavor. Also used a joyo American sound to bass bump in the same fashion. Could turn 5 distortion/overdrive pedals into 20 with the different pairings of the eq used for mids and preamp used for bass only
Got hip a few years ago to parametric EQ after distortion (either after a pedal or in the FX loop) and I wish I did it years ago. I always thought EQ pedals were a gimmicky add-on. Boy, was I wrong. What an amazing tool to get rid of those frequencies an amp just never seems to be able to adjust.
Hi John, boosting the 500 Hz in the loop of an Orange amp is a bold move 🤘. The 250 and 500 Hz bands are typically sliders that I pull down (250 a bit, 500 way more), but with the IRs you used it sounds great! I run my Rockerverb 50 through DV-77's and feel that I get better results when the 3-band EQ of the amp is close to noon [bass a tick down, mids and treble a tiny bit boosted] and the EQ pedal pulls out the 250's and 500's. Love your content. Keep up the great work!
Thank you for this video. Very useful. I always use a small EQ pedal as a lead boost before. Now I got a 10-band one to start shaping my overall rhythm tone because especially when playing baritone guitars and 7/8-string guitars your tone is drastically different than with a regular 6-string so I'll need a decent EQ pedal to shape a great sound for them low end monsters so it doesn't get muddy or loses clarity, definition while playing.. cheers
Hi, I have been asking advices about flubby low ends on my setup a few weeks ago, and I finally got a second hand MXR 10 band EQ following your advice. I use it on the direct input of a Marshall DSL20 + 212 Orange cab (not in the FX loop because there are several effects I want to add/cut at the same moment). The result is absolutely killer : the low ends are much sharper, and the EQ'ed distorsion allows my Drive pedal to sharpen the sound even tighter. Also, that makes 3 shades of distorsion for one single channel! This is probably the most noticeable improvement I made on my gear so far. Our bassist has so clearer lines now. :p EQ's are so underrated, thank you for the advice!
Yesss, EQ and too many people overlook it. I did, too, for a long time. Nobody thinks about Darkglass for guitar distortion, but an Alpha-Omicron w/ a graphic EQ after it can make an absolutely savage/brutal distortion for detuned guitars. I love my Exponent 500 head, I can put EQs anywhere I want in the signal chain :D
I prefer using an EQ instead of an 808/boost in front of the amp to shape tones. EQ can be more precise and flexible, while sometimes another stage of clipping that comes with a boost pedal can mush up the final tone.
Thanks for all the fresh content Jon. I have this same amp and MXR 10 band EQ-I dial in the famous V shape to pull down some of the 500k and 1000k tones. In my opinion, this EQ definitely works better in the loop. You always have great tone however! I can't seem to get my shape knob past noon but here in the mix, it sounds good.
On my Dual Rec: Ibanez ST9 in front and Boss Clone PQ4 in fx loop. I find that the use of the parametric EQ allows you to stay in the right tone of the amplifier because with a graphic EQ you quickly do anything if you abuse it.
I just turn down the gain and use a clean boost in front of my Orange OR15. It seems to achieve the same effect. Plus it’s a single knob. Works for me.
I've been watching you on and off Jon. Almost friended you a time or two on FB as you come up regularly. Some guys I have to acquire a taste for. Doesn't mean you're doing it wrong. Anyways, GOOD vid here. I found it intriguing how my 10-band (same model as yours) blinks out if you raise the gain and/or volume too high on it. Your collection of lunchbox heads is how I found you.
Got an Orange .... with a more bottom end. Bought an MXR Timmy and decided to try it for cutting the bottom end. Yep it works nicely for what I am doing.
I have a TH30 and was thinking of getting an EQ for it. The shape knob makes sense from an amp design point of view but it's pretty limiting as a player.
I agree - I generally set it between 10 and 2. Anything outside that and its not very good, especially at Higher gain, lower gain not as bad. Im gonna get an eq pedal for my own TH30.
I've been running this exact setup for my band for the past 3ish years along with a BBE GScreamer OD. Those two and a reverb/delay and this amp does wayyyy more than it has any business being able to do.
Dang I wished you’d have done this on your Rockerverb (if you’ve still got it). I noticed using the EQ block on my helix into the effects loop of a Mesa triple crown let me get rid of some of the frequencies I wasn’t a huge fan of. Running 4CM made it really easy to keep it all in the same rig. I was really surprised how strong the effect was, and I definitely need to utilize it more.
While I always liked having an EQ pedal in the loop of my amp, I also always hated it.. because I'd end up spending WAY too much time tweaking the tone. I just felt never satisfied enough with the results and figured I could always get a better sound. However, i think with having something like an AxFX FX8 like I do now, I may start playing around with pre-eq before amp input. see what results I'd get. Jon, videos always amazing and your tones (with and without an EQ) always crush. keep em coming. Cheers
I splurged on a JHS 'magnum mod' boss GE-7 this year. My settings are minimal, in front of amp, taming shrill mids and a pinch of bass and follow it up by bringing some of those mids back in with a Horizon nano attack and together, they're spectacular with all of my guitars which range from 18V modded EMGs to much quieter Duncan JB's.
I have a cheap online big box one. I mainly use to get rid of woof, 3-500 hz. I'll have try what you have going on, share some details, I have the same amp and use a jet city 2x12.
@@tobins6800 I'm using a Airis Savage drive V4 in front of the amp, on the Eq I'm dropping the 400 & 800 bands to around -7, just to tame the heavy mids a bit, also using a Orange 2x12 v30's
waz up brother!!! i occasionally use my MXR 10-band in the loop of my mesa mark IV if i'm feeling salty...play the mesa in stereo with a EVH 50W stealth, sounds awesome...cheers!!!
Never used an EQ to boost the amp in the front end, have to give er' a try. Thanks for the tip! You're the best source of amp information on ye' ol' you Tube.
Man this is the best video ... My rig is this haha and now I'm going to really try placing it in the front . Man would really love to know how you record the the30 that crisp.
Great video dude, yeah an eq is great way to get alter the character of my tube amp. I use an old zoom2 just using the eq settings , does the job for me. I was thinking about a boss eq 200 cause having settings on memory seems handy but for what it costs half the price of a decent amp, glad I didn't pull the trigger.
I picked up a Joyo Band Controller recently but mainly use it to boost mids when using my BE OD pedal going into the clean channel of my Orange Super Crush.
MXR 10 band single best purchase In 30 years of playing. Got one last year. If you think you need a new amp/pickups/cab/pedal try this first. Unreal results and flexibility.
Great demo on how useful the eq pedal is! Probably the one of the best and concise ones I have seen...well done. I use my 10-band in the loop of my Marshalls because I don't want to change the amps distortion characteristics, but even subtle eq adjustments in the loop make a huge difference in the taking out some of the harsher frequencies and helps it cut through even more than a Marshall already does
i'm a big fan of eq pedals. however, for live use only. the mesa mark series eq built in is killer for shaping the amps tone, i believe post gain. the recorded tone of an amp has so many ways to eq the final tone without having an eq pedal in front or in the fx loop of an amp which can't be changed post recording. different IR's, external pro graphics for post production or in your pc. all adjustable after the original recorded tone.
I've got two of those EQs.....When I set up a pedalboard with too many pedals in the loop I've used it to combat Tone loss. But Yea I've also used it to change the attitude of different amps.
i ordered a MXR 10 band EQ and it didn't work. I already have a Joyo 10 band EQ, but I needed a 2nd one. I sent the MXR back to the store, and bought a second Joyo. Save yourself $50 and buy the JOYO EQ. My opinion, you have to use an EQ with an Orange amp. I put the EQ in the FX loop.
Too Funny ! I own more than a few amps for home and stage use ! And, I have an EQ Pedal tailored for each amp ! I brought a bunch of those Ber. EQ Pedals years ago when they were on sale !
I have a boss ge 7 industry standard. Its a boost, a tone shaper, a od, an effect… if you don’t have an eq you probably don’t have your ideal close tone..
just wait until you use a DBX 266XS comp/ Gate in front and in the loop , keep in mind it has 20DB of clean gain, then you throw a BBE sonic max in the effects loop, and for a final razzle dazzle you use a DBX 215s parametric EQ in front and in the effects loop so in 3 rack spaces you have transformed your meh amp to the tightest crunchiest loudest amp in the room, guaranteed
Hi Jon, In the video you have mentioned something that's been on my mind for while now: IF one can use EQ pedals as a clean boost why would ANYONE EVER use a dedicated boost pedal? I mean I am trying to get hold of Empress ParaEQ - if I can cut out/add any frequency I want and boost the signal, why would I ever need a Tube Screamer, Boss SD 1, Dirty Tree or whatever? I have been trying out different boost pedals but could never get the TONE know to do exactly what I wanted EQ-wise, and then I just thought - perhaps I should get an EQ instead of chasing boosts? Why doesn't everyone just use EQs instead of boost pedals? A genuine question. Thanks
@@SonicDriveStudio thank you! Just an idea: would you perhaps consider a video comparing a few boosts versus an EQ pedal, where you are trying to achieve the same effect on the EQ pedal? This might be eye opening for many people.
Boost pedals' frequency response look similar to a high pass filter circuit; the bass levels drop sharply below the cut-off point, while equalizers only affect an area around the frequency for each dial. This means that the bass cut on an eq might not be as clean as you'd like, there could be more variation for different models, etc. Boost pedals are more consistent in their results, but they lack the versatility of an eq
I think it is mostly because boost pedals like the sd1 or the tubescreamer, other than filtering the low end and having the usual midrange push, they usually have some clipping and a sort of a compressed character active all the time even when you dial the drive pot to zero. This gives a different texture and response when compared to eq which is just what it is, an eq curve filtering your guitar pickup signal before hitting the preamp of the amplifier with nothing else added provided that your eq is relatively transparent. So an eq is usually way more versatile because you can tailor it to any amp, if you use a tubescreamer with a marshall it usually sounds great but if you try to boost some amps that have a more filtered and tight sound it can get nasal sounding and too choked like if you had slightly blended in a wah pedal, thats where the eq comes in, set it up to match the amp and it sounds great, i mostly prefer overdrive pedals for lead tones usually because they just give that little extra bit of texture and fluidity.
I do an sd1 in front of my peavey classic 50 with the mxr 10 band in the loop, you can pretty much get away with anything it feels like with this method.
I have a 7 band EQ pedal that I use to shape the tone in front of the amp, sort of like you did in the first example but less extreme. But man, I'm gonna keep my eye out for one with more bands!
@@jfrog1979 it's before my overdrive pedal. The EQ pedal itself isn't really affecting the volume, so I can boost or not with the overdrive. It probably would sound good the other way around too though!
I think the amp sounds better without the pedal. The EQ pedal seems to add some brashness that I don't like. I think an all tube signal path is the best way to go.
Cool vid man thanks 👌🏼 ..I noticed (looking at the guitar cable going into the Orange) in the the first A/B part that for the none EQ parts you appear to be laying on the floor whereas the EQ’d parts you seem to be standing... could this effect the tone? Asking for a friend 😬😂 hope you’re well!!
I tried two different MXR 10 Band EQ's and they were easily the most noisy pedals i've ever used in a rig. They add an insane amount of noise, regardless of how the EQ is set, even if you're not boosting anything. I'd rather have good drive pedals with useful EQs and a low noise floor.
@@methodinsane My MXR Ten Band EQ is not noisy at all. I run it first in my chain thru the FX loop of my TH30 head. I run the head thru an Orange PPC212 open back cab, and an Orange PPC212 closed-back cab. It really lifts the blanket off the amp. I keep my shape knob at 1 o’ clock.
Nice comparison and explanation. Now I know the different between these two EQ location. My question, is it possible to simulate EQ on effect loop with amp sim and eq pedal sim ?
Especially awesome is how I was able to dial in an amp I've had for years so that I love it now, the Laney ironheart studio 15. That is, after watching your video about it.
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I use my 6 band EQ up front with a 10 band and parametric EQs in the loop. Pretty much an unlimited array of tone options at hand. The most powerful and underused effect pedal by most non-pro guitarists.
Hi ! If you don't mind, I have a question since you use parametric and band EQ... :)
What is the difference between them ? And is there a reason for putting the parametric in the loop ?
@@Toronado7590 The parametric EQ has much more capacity to chose and tweak the frequencies you want to increase or reduce in your signal. A conventional EQ has a specific 6 or 10 preselected frequencies and you're stuck with those.
I use it in the loop because I want it as a frequency shaping tool that won't be impacted by the tone stack of the amp. If it's up front I find it's less effective.
@@LookingForEntertainment112 Okay, that's pretty clear. Thank you very much! :)
@@Toronado7590 No worries! Getting my first EQ pedal totally changed how I approached guitar tone. It's such a fun journey. Enjoy!
Dime bag approved
I absolutely love how you structure your videos. The back to back comparisons are huge and so are your breakdowns.
This was my greatest pedal purchase of all time.
Hi John, hi everybody. O use a boss eq-200. This pedal allows me to equalize the pre-amp and the power amp at the same time. It has 2 inputs and 2 outputs wich allows to use it in stereo too. With a H&K Grandmeister 40 deluxe, wich is a great amp with 4 channels, the possibilities on having diferent sounds is huge.
Do you have an EQ pedal? How do you use yours? Let us know in the comments! Also note: if you didn't like how I used the EQ in this video that's totally fine! That's the cool thing about EQ pedals, you can use them however you'd like. They're very flexible tools! This is just an example of how you can use them but of course you have to use your ears!
I use mine to boost the top end when my bass player is too cheap to buy new strings when we record lol
Yes. I use ammoon eq7. Small and good stomp.
I use it to tame the harshness of vintage 30, that 2khz and 4khz bands are right of that spot 😁👌
In my fx loop of my marshall dsl1 😬
Sometimes as an overall tone shaping tool but right now it's set up for guitar B, so I just kick it in to equalize for the different tonal characteristics when I pull out that axe. I don't like fiddling with all my amp knobs just when I switch guitars.
I think my treble hearing might be shot as "too fizzy" without EQ was the best sounding one to me.
no, i agree. the fx loop eq to me sounded too much like a blanket over the cab, a bit of flattening or boost of treble would have been better to my ear. i did like the low mid punch, i prefer bass cut. but that's the beauty of everyone's different ears, we all have different likes.
Exactly, that's the cool thing about EQ, you can shape it however you like! This was just an example anyway. Use it however your ears tell you to use it!
It was pretty fizzy tbh. I'd say the EQ was an improvement.
@@the80386 yeah the eq definetly made it more studio ready
@@MRxr400 Which is odd, since I play a TH30 head, with my MXR Ten Band EQ, first in my chain thru the FX loop, and mine sounds like it lifts the blanket off. I wonder if it’s because he’s using a cab simulation, instead of a real cab?
Man I seriously love these demo riffs you create! Well, off to buy an EQ pedal now :D
You are a such a great songwriter! i find myself going back to alot of your videos just to listen to the songs you put out. Keep up the good work!
I have 3 Amps which are different in their styles.... since I have the Mxr 6 Band in the Loop I have the feeling I can cover every tone/amp needed...
Such a mighty tool.
Your guitar tones are always top notch 👌
Perfect-I use the MXR 10 band Eq n run it in my ENGL fireball FX loop which really cuts thru the mix. I prefer a TS-9 to run straight into my Orange to overdrive the gain a bit. Great post...
I played a TH30 one time and the high end fizz sounded so good and warm, reminded me of a fajita 🤤
You can make sound good any amp, and such a great composer too.
All this video was missing was isolated tracks to really showcase the difference. Nice work.
Killer riffs.
Yes the drums and the bass take a lot a space here...
To me it wasn’t that the guitar tone sounded that much better but it was that I could hear the bass and kick drum more clearly and the low end of the entire track punched a little more. With no eq the guitar low end dominated the track which can be a cool sound. Different flavors and decisions
Hot take: EQs are the best pedal you can add to any rig.
I've been using EQs in the loop for years as boosts and tone-shapers, but after watching this video and Tom Bukovac's rig rundown i decided that i should also try the EQ in front of the amp as a sort of drive pedal. Now I have two MXR Tenbands on the board and the options are incredible.
First EQ is right before the Preamp-Input. Works as a boost, tone shaping tool, but i can also use it as a filter for fuzzes and ODs that are in front of it.
EQ in the loop: cutting through the livemix by pushing the mids but compensating in the low end. Roll of some highs for warmer solo tone too. Straight up live level boost if i wanted to and of course the tone shaping aspect for recording.
Just bought the Mxr 10 band eq yesterday to pair up with my orange micro dark. So this video is right on time!!
Oh man, I run a stereo rig with my TH30 as the more background tone producer. Also, not to brag, but I totally own an MXR ten-band EQ :). This video is practically made for me!
Thank you for making the videos that you make.
I used this, but in a 6 band EQ in the loop of my Mesa Mini Recto.
The difference is absolutely unbelievable and I am left questioning why I've never used one before.
It's completely taken away the need for an OD, and doesn't cut away any of the low end on the amp - whilst tightening the 'Flub' up at the same time.
Outstanding
Right on the mark. EQ shaping tools can really bring the versatility dynamic out of an amp’s baseline voicing.
Great demo! Been waiting to pull the trigger on a 10 band eq for a while. One thing I would personally love to see is how one performs with a full pedalboard, specifically with a boost pedal engaged. I find the tube screamer adds a lot of harsh frequencies and would love to see how it reacts to something like that.
I have a stereo rig - a Laney IRT 60 head and an Orange Terror Stamp on my pedal board. The Laney gives me a modern, tight heavy rock sound, and the Terror Stamp has a Russian Big Muff in front of it for a stoner rock sound. The Terror Stamp only has a shape control for eq, and I have that set to about 11 o'clock. I recently added a 7 band eq pedal between the Muff and the Terror, to pull some of the low mids out by a couple of db. It sits way better with the Laney now and the combined tone is huge. They run though a 2x12 stereo cab, the Laney drives a Celestion V30 and the Orange drive a Celestion G12 Anniversary. The sound guy mics each speaker and pans them apart. Fun times.
You have the best gear demos on RUclips. They always sound awesome.
That Orange amp sounds badass.
This was super helpful! I love my Orange but I did always find that low end flub kind of annoying. I didn't realize an EQ pedal could eliminate that. Guess I'm buying an EQ now
I was gifted the 10 band for my birthday today so I ran:
Les Paul:
- Seymore Duncan Full Shred Neck and Screamin’ Demon bridge.
Chain:
> tuner > Hendrix octafuzz > ProCo Rat Big Box > JHS 3 Series OD > JHS Double Barrel V4 > this EQ > Walrus Audio V2 > Boss Katana 50W set to 25W.
Nothing sounds bad through that EQ. Nothing. I play blues rock but venture into Wolfmother and Muse a lot. Buy this. I’m serious. It may be all you need. If not, get a JHS Morning Glory too
Even the mxr 6 band can be a great tool. I was using one as a mid bump on pedals that didn't have quite enough, or to add a little flavor. Also used a joyo American sound to bass bump in the same fashion. Could turn 5 distortion/overdrive pedals into 20 with the different pairings of the eq used for mids and preamp used for bass only
Got hip a few years ago to parametric EQ after distortion (either after a pedal or in the FX loop) and I wish I did it years ago. I always thought EQ pedals were a gimmicky add-on. Boy, was I wrong. What an amazing tool to get rid of those frequencies an amp just never seems to be able to adjust.
Just your riffs are enough to make me want to play metal.
Hi John, boosting the 500 Hz in the loop of an Orange amp is a bold move 🤘. The 250 and 500 Hz bands are typically sliders that I pull down (250 a bit, 500 way more), but with the IRs you used it sounds great! I run my Rockerverb 50 through DV-77's and feel that I get better results when the 3-band EQ of the amp is close to noon [bass a tick down, mids and treble a tiny bit boosted] and the EQ pedal pulls out the 250's and 500's.
Love your content. Keep up the great work!
Thank you for this video. Very useful. I always use a small EQ pedal as a lead boost before. Now I got a 10-band one to start shaping my overall rhythm tone because especially when playing baritone guitars and 7/8-string guitars your tone is drastically different than with a regular 6-string so I'll need a decent EQ pedal to shape a great sound for them low end monsters so it doesn't get muddy or loses clarity, definition while playing.. cheers
Awsome tone and playing💯💯💯🔥👍
Great tones with and without the EQ :)
Hi,
I have been asking advices about flubby low ends on my setup a few weeks ago, and I finally got a second hand MXR 10 band EQ following your advice.
I use it on the direct input of a Marshall DSL20 + 212 Orange cab (not in the FX loop because there are several effects I want to add/cut at the same moment).
The result is absolutely killer : the low ends are much sharper, and the EQ'ed distorsion allows my Drive pedal to sharpen the sound even tighter. Also, that makes 3 shades of distorsion for one single channel!
This is probably the most noticeable improvement I made on my gear so far. Our bassist has so clearer lines now. :p
EQ's are so underrated, thank you for the advice!
Yesss, EQ and too many people overlook it. I did, too, for a long time. Nobody thinks about Darkglass for guitar distortion, but an Alpha-Omicron w/ a graphic EQ after it can make an absolutely savage/brutal distortion for detuned guitars.
I love my Exponent 500 head, I can put EQs anywhere I want in the signal chain :D
I prefer using an EQ instead of an 808/boost in front of the amp to shape tones. EQ can be more precise and flexible, while sometimes another stage of clipping that comes with a boost pedal can mush up the final tone.
Thanks for all the fresh content Jon. I have this same amp and MXR 10 band EQ-I dial in the famous V shape to pull down some of the 500k and 1000k tones. In my opinion, this EQ definitely works better in the loop. You always have great tone however! I can't seem to get my shape knob past noon but here in the mix, it sounds good.
Your riffs are just next level 🔥
In run my 10 band in the loop and it works awesome!
On my Dual Rec: Ibanez ST9 in front and Boss Clone PQ4 in fx loop.
I find that the use of the parametric EQ allows you to stay in the right tone of the amplifier because with a graphic EQ you quickly do anything if you abuse it.
I just turn down the gain and use a clean boost in front of my Orange OR15. It seems to achieve the same effect. Plus it’s a single knob. Works for me.
I've been watching you on and off Jon. Almost friended you a time or two on FB as you come up regularly. Some guys I have to acquire a taste for. Doesn't mean you're doing it wrong. Anyways, GOOD vid here. I found it intriguing how my 10-band (same model as yours) blinks out if you raise the gain and/or volume too high on it. Your collection of lunchbox heads is how I found you.
Got an Orange .... with a more bottom end. Bought an MXR Timmy and decided to try it for cutting the bottom end. Yep it works nicely for what I am doing.
I have a TH30 and was thinking of getting an EQ for it. The shape knob makes sense from an amp design point of view but it's pretty limiting as a player.
I agree - I generally set it between 10 and 2. Anything outside that and its not very good, especially at Higher gain, lower gain not as bad. Im gonna get an eq pedal for my own TH30.
I've been running this exact setup for my band for the past 3ish years along with a BBE GScreamer OD. Those two and a reverb/delay and this amp does wayyyy more than it has any business being able to do.
A great pedal to tame the harshness of the Vintage 30 speakers. That 2khz and 4khz bands are right on that harshness spot. 👌
I just ordered one of those. Great video, man.
Groeten uit Zuid Holland \m/
Dang I wished you’d have done this on your Rockerverb (if you’ve still got it).
I noticed using the EQ block on my helix into the effects loop of a Mesa triple crown let me get rid of some of the frequencies I wasn’t a huge fan of. Running 4CM made it really easy to keep it all in the same rig.
I was really surprised how strong the effect was, and I definitely need to utilize it more.
I run a 10 band in the loop of my Rockerverb MKIII 100.
It’s made a huge difference
Thanks mate!! Very good tech tip!! I have owned this pedal for quite a long time and it’s a must have tool in my arsenal.
Great demonsitraion of how important PRE-EQ can be!
While I always liked having an EQ pedal in the loop of my amp, I also always hated it.. because I'd end up spending WAY too much time tweaking the tone. I just felt never satisfied enough with the results and figured I could always get a better sound.
However, i think with having something like an AxFX FX8 like I do now, I may start playing around with pre-eq before amp input. see what results I'd get.
Jon, videos always amazing and your tones (with and without an EQ) always crush. keep em coming.
Cheers
I really like the tone of that Orange, also your riffs are killer!
Eq pedals are not optional. It is the pedal to own.
Always!
Gotta love EQ before and after. I've only really done this in my DAW.
That first riff at 1min 15 sec is brilliant
I splurged on a JHS 'magnum mod' boss GE-7 this year. My settings are minimal, in front of amp, taming shrill mids and a pinch of bass and follow it up by bringing some of those mids back in with a Horizon nano attack and together, they're spectacular with all of my guitars which range from 18V modded EMGs to much quieter Duncan JB's.
That first riff oozes max cavalera vibes in the best way.
dude how the hell you come up with these dope ass riffs?? instant neck bounce here
I keep buying the mxr 10 band and selling it. I'm on my 4th one but I'm keeping it now.
I use a TH30 head, and run my MXR Ten Band EQ first in my chain through the FX loop.
Just recently put a Mxr 6 band eq in the effects loop of my Mt15, just a different flavor of distortion, and love it 🤘
I have a cheap online big box one. I mainly use to get rid of woof, 3-500 hz. I'll have try what you have going on, share some details, I have the same amp and use a jet city 2x12.
@@tobins6800 I'm using a Airis Savage drive V4 in front of the amp, on the Eq I'm dropping the 400 & 800 bands to around -7, just to tame the heavy mids a bit, also using a Orange 2x12 v30's
waz up brother!!! i occasionally use my MXR 10-band in the loop of my mesa mark IV if i'm feeling salty...play the mesa in stereo with a EVH 50W stealth, sounds awesome...cheers!!!
Just by listening on the phone, with the eq on the fx loop it blends just better in the mix
Never used an EQ to boost the amp in the front end, have to give er' a try. Thanks for the tip! You're the best source of amp information on ye' ol' you Tube.
That's the best boost ever. Get an 18 volt version for more headroom.
Great demo! Did the EQ pedal add a lot of noise? I've read mixed reviews. Thanks!
Man this is the best video ... My rig is this haha and now I'm going to really try placing it in the front . Man would really love to know how you record the the30 that crisp.
Great video dude, yeah an eq is great way to get alter the character of my tube amp. I use an old zoom2 just using the eq settings , does the job for me. I was thinking about a boss eq 200 cause having settings on memory seems handy but for what it costs half the price of a decent amp, glad I didn't pull the trigger.
I picked up a Joyo Band Controller recently but mainly use it to boost mids when using my BE OD pedal going into the clean channel of my Orange Super Crush.
MXR 10 band single best purchase In 30 years of playing. Got one last year. If you think you need a new amp/pickups/cab/pedal try this first. Unreal results and flexibility.
Great demo on how useful the eq pedal is! Probably the one of the best and concise ones I have seen...well done. I use my 10-band in the loop of my Marshalls because I don't want to change the amps distortion characteristics, but even subtle eq adjustments in the loop make a huge difference in the taking out some of the harsher frequencies and helps it cut through even more than a Marshall already does
i'm a big fan of eq pedals. however, for live use only. the mesa mark series eq built in is killer for shaping the amps tone, i believe post gain. the recorded tone of an amp has so many ways to eq the final tone without having an eq pedal in front or in the fx loop of an amp which can't be changed post recording. different IR's, external pro graphics for post production or in your pc. all adjustable after the original recorded tone.
You know if an eq in an effects loops is gonna eq the signal similar to the eq in a mark series amp?
I've got two of those EQs.....When I set up a pedalboard with too many pedals in the loop I've used it to combat Tone loss. But Yea I've also used it to change the attitude of different amps.
still have my ibanez ge10 since 1997 that I bought from my high school friend, greetings from Indonesia 😎
Second example much better without eq pedal
Another great demo man!!! Ty
This is the magic trick with this amp, tubescreamer in front with a parametric EQ in the loop.
Haha the orange flavor. Good one
i ordered a MXR 10 band EQ and it didn't work. I already have a Joyo 10 band EQ, but I needed a 2nd one. I sent the MXR back to the store, and bought a second Joyo. Save yourself $50 and buy the JOYO EQ. My opinion, you have to use an EQ with an Orange amp. I put the EQ in the FX loop.
Too Funny ! I own more than a few amps for home and stage use ! And, I have an EQ Pedal tailored for each amp ! I brought a bunch of those Ber. EQ Pedals years ago when they were on sale !
Welp, I know what I’m buying friday.
Man the TH30 sure rocks !
I have a boss ge 7 industry standard. Its a boost, a tone shaper, a od, an effect… if you don’t have an eq you probably don’t have your ideal close tone..
just wait until you use a DBX 266XS comp/ Gate in front and in the loop , keep in mind it has 20DB of clean gain, then you throw a BBE sonic max in the effects loop, and for a final razzle dazzle you use a DBX 215s parametric EQ in front and in the effects loop so in 3 rack spaces you have transformed your meh amp to the tightest crunchiest loudest amp in the room, guaranteed
Super cheveres esos Wangs yo tengo el Wangs replica de soldano Slo y necesito un Eq xq le hace falta Bajos a ese Amp pero muy Bueno ☄️🔥👹👅🤘🤘🤘🤘
DIK!!!! monster geluid, mijn volgende amp
What is your favourite amp overall?(for metal}
Love your videos bro 👌
Yeah it makes it better!
I have this EQ pedal and it works great...but sorry to say the RUclips audio compression doesn't do it justice!
Hi Jon, In the video you have mentioned something that's been on my mind for while now: IF one can use EQ pedals as a clean boost why would ANYONE EVER use a dedicated boost pedal? I mean I am trying to get hold of Empress ParaEQ - if I can cut out/add any frequency I want and boost the signal, why would I ever need a Tube Screamer, Boss SD 1, Dirty Tree or whatever? I have been trying out different boost pedals but could never get the TONE know to do exactly what I wanted EQ-wise, and then I just thought - perhaps I should get an EQ instead of chasing boosts? Why doesn't everyone just use EQs instead of boost pedals? A genuine question. Thanks
One main reason would be that regular boost pedals are easier to use and they also provide overdrive if required.
@@SonicDriveStudio thank you! Just an idea: would you perhaps consider a video comparing a few boosts versus an EQ pedal, where you are trying to achieve the same effect on the EQ pedal? This might be eye opening for many people.
@@bigpiper2103 I did that 2 years ago or so. I believe with my Rectifier.
Boost pedals' frequency response look similar to a high pass filter circuit; the bass levels drop sharply below the cut-off point, while equalizers only affect an area around the frequency for each dial. This means that the bass cut on an eq might not be as clean as you'd like, there could be more variation for different models, etc.
Boost pedals are more consistent in their results, but they lack the versatility of an eq
I think it is mostly because boost pedals like the sd1 or the tubescreamer, other than filtering the low end and having the usual midrange push, they usually have some clipping and a sort of a compressed character active all the time even when you dial the drive pot to zero.
This gives a different texture and response when compared to eq which is just what it is, an eq curve filtering your guitar pickup signal before hitting the preamp of the amplifier with nothing else added provided that your eq is relatively transparent.
So an eq is usually way more versatile because you can tailor it to any amp, if you use a tubescreamer with a marshall it usually sounds great but if you try to boost some amps that have a more filtered and tight sound it can get nasal sounding and too choked like if you had slightly blended in a wah pedal, thats where the eq comes in, set it up to match the amp and it sounds great, i mostly prefer overdrive pedals for lead tones usually because they just give that little extra bit of texture and fluidity.
I do an sd1 in front of my peavey classic 50 with the mxr 10 band in the loop, you can pretty much get away with anything it feels like with this method.
I have a 7 band EQ pedal that I use to shape the tone in front of the amp, sort of like you did in the first example but less extreme. But man, I'm gonna keep my eye out for one with more bands!
Do you place yours pre or post /dirt/od pedal(s)?
@@jfrog1979 it's before my overdrive pedal. The EQ pedal itself isn't really affecting the volume, so I can boost or not with the overdrive.
It probably would sound good the other way around too though!
I think the amp sounds better without the pedal. The EQ pedal seems to add some brashness that I don't like. I think an all tube signal path is the best way to go.
Cool vid man thanks 👌🏼 ..I noticed (looking at the guitar cable going into the Orange) in the the first A/B part that for the none EQ parts you appear to be laying on the floor whereas the EQ’d parts you seem to be standing... could this effect the tone? Asking for a friend 😬😂 hope you’re well!!
I love this idea!
Great video, can you please make something similar on smaller amps that are more budget friendly..?
I would recommend a orange micro dark they're little beasts especially when used with an overdrive
I tried two different MXR 10 Band EQ's and they were easily the most noisy pedals i've ever used in a rig. They add an insane amount of noise, regardless of how the EQ is set, even if you're not boosting anything. I'd rather have good drive pedals with useful EQs and a low noise floor.
I guess the demo was for eq overall, there are always better and worse examples. But If it's that noisy ill avoid it. Thanks for the advice.
@@methodinsane My MXR Ten Band EQ is not noisy at all. I run it first in my chain thru the FX loop of my TH30 head. I run the head thru an Orange PPC212 open back cab, and an Orange PPC212 closed-back cab. It really lifts the blanket off the amp. I keep my shape knob at 1 o’ clock.
@@nitegoat1369 Thanks ! :)
Does running an eq in the effects loop have the same effect as the eq section on a Mesa mark series amp?
Nice comparison and explanation. Now I know the different between these two EQ location. My question, is it possible to simulate EQ on effect loop with amp sim and eq pedal sim ?
EQ in the fx loop FTW
The Equalizer before the amp sounded awesome, but for me it did not make the amp sound better when it was in the loop
Even if you didn't like how I tweaked it, it's still an example of how to use it
@@SonicDriveStudio absolutely, I just get caught up in how you make everything sound awesome....
Especially awesome is how I was able to dial in an amp I've had for years so that I love it now, the Laney ironheart studio 15. That is, after watching your video about it.