Billy Corgan: Kurt Cobain had the most talent of his generation | SPIN
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
- To hear him tell it, Billy Corgan took the torch after Kurt Cobain’s unfortunate passing. Thoughts?
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There's no way he says this if Kurt lived.
#yesthewholepointchamp
If that was the case he could of named plenty more people but he didn’t, shut up
@@ishouldvedknown Could of? Are you slightly r'tarded? What's the contraction, could'f? Duhhhh
@@ishouldvedknown Could of? Is the contraction would'f? Derpy dolt.
He literally waited till he passed to say it. So you're right but that's the point
I think Melon Collie album set him at Kurt appart. The attention to detail was different and amazing. I don't think Kurt would have been going going in that direction. Smashing Pumpkins had it pretty unique and are the boss of an amazing sound.
SP dominated with talent and sophisticated music
Melcon collie made Nirvana's music look childish and stroppy. Songs like Porcelina and thru the eyes of ruby, even the heavier stuff like where aeroplane flies high or where boys fear to tread, just totally outclassed nirvana IMO
@@conorkelly666yeah melon collie is a masterpiece. I remember constantly opening that double disc case. But Kurt didn’t have anything that was better than the song Mayonnaise from Siamese Dream either. Corgan is just on a different level
@@conorkelly666Bill corgan - kurt was far more talened than me
Idiot corgan fan boys- corgan had better work. More intelligent and sophisticated.
What?
I prefer siamese dream but Melon collie is amazing also
Respect for saying that. Ive always been a fan of both, but already went through my kurt binge. Been binging on billy corgan lately. Billy is extremely smart & talented
... both are great choices, Rivers Cuomo ALSO worth listening
Yorke is up there imo.
Nah, Yorke a posh brat
Yorke and Greenwood are so far beyond all of these "rockstars" its not even funny.
And i say that as a huge Corgan fan.
Haven't really gotten "The Smile" much airplay...
What do you think of them??
It's not even close lol
It was the best era in music
The lore was crazy
I miss Kurt and i wasn't even alive when he passed away. I still watch Nirvana's live performances at Reading. There's so much emotion and anger in their music
When looking back, growing up in the 90s. I definitely enjoyed way more Smashing Pumpkins songs than I did Nirvana.
Same here, I think Billy is just being modest.
Me too. But Cobain was the man nevertheless. Though I also preferred the Pumpkins to Nirvana back then, the cultural impact Cobain had was undeniably greater than Corgan's
At the time I liked Nirvana better…. But now, I think the Smashing Pumpkins body of work is the best of the 90s bands.
I was only born in the 90’s & prefer pumpkins also but they’re very different bands despite both being in the grunge era, I don’t think you’d hear songs like Soma out of Nirvana for example. Nirvana are legendary in their own right though, their sound defined grunge
I was only born in the 90’s & prefer pumpkins also but they’re very different bands despite both being in the grunge era, I don’t think you’d hear songs like Soma out of Nirvana for example. Nirvana are legendary in their own right though, their sound defined grunge
I would put/rank Billy up there too with being one of the greatest.
Billy is high high level talent as well. I think parallel to kurt in some ways.
Billy Corrigan is an absolute incredible musician. If Billy corrigan says you have incredible talent….you’ve got incredible talent. Cobain was the equivalent of Jon jones. Not the best at any given skill set but knew how to bring it all together better than anyone
Corgan
Billy is such an amazing man.
Don’t compare yourself Billy, Kurt was insanely talented, but so are you. In music, It’s not a matter of who’s better, it’s a matter of who’s playing. Everyone’s sound is a little different, and it’s one of the many things that makes music so beautiful
Cantrell, Cornell, Stayley would all like a word.
Love Jerry but Vedder goes on this list before he does.
Nope. Corgan’s guitar, lyrics, creativity, discography, wins hands down
Weiland wrote some amazing stuff too, as well as Robert DeLeo. Also, it’s “Staley”.
No way Vedder goes before Jerry. I like alot of Pearl Jams music and Eddie's Into the Wild soundtrack was amazing but I still think hes at the bottom of that list.
@@krystiangorski6201 I like Cantrell but are we being for real right now? Eddie’s voice is way more dynamic and original than Jerry’s. Jerry has a GREAT voice to go with Layne’s, and they were a match made in Heaven for each other. But there’s a reason Jerry never fronted a band, because he wasn’t a standalone singer. Again, I love Jerry! AiC wouldn’t be the same without him. But he’s a better guitarist than vocalist, and Eddie easily surpasses him, vocally, in my book.
I respect your opinion tho, not telling you you’re “wrong” or anything, I just disagree brother.
I need this level of confidence
Yeah no doubt also Billy wouldn't admit to being less talented then Kurt if Kurt still was here...🙄 Especially since they were both f****** the same chick🤔
Get good
Scott Weiland wrote music & lyrics/sang/performed, Layne Staley sang/wrote lyrics/played rhythm guitar, Jerry Cantrell wrote music/played lead guitar/sang back-up & harmonies, Eddie Vedder wrote music & lyrics/sang/played rhythm guitar
Kurt also did all of these what
@@seresyuro so then, you’re saying Kurt was more talented.. than Scott Weiland, Layne Staley, Jerry Cantrell, and Eddie Vedder?
Those people had more talent and charisma then Kurt.
The Kurt cult is disturbing.
@@thesecondRUclips thank you.. so very much, for saying that
Hes just being respectful IMO. Most successful and brilliant people have a bit of ego and intense drive to achieve their goals. I'm sure he thinks he's a better guitar player and musician in general. Its great that he gives Kurt the credit and seems comfortable with his accomplishments.
I can't believe I met Billy DT in Iowa a few days ago, I was wearing mt Owen Wilson Nirvana shirt. Lol
I do think billy is the reigning ceo
Didn’t know each generation had an official artist leaderboard
It's called "Anchor Being".
AMEN BILLY!!!😁
I think that billie was so forced into the competition he never lost that mindset. There is a ton of people out there even more talentet then you sir, and i say that as a SP fan
Scott Weiland and the DeLeo brothers were also super talented. I means they all were obviously…but people forget about STP
I 100 percent agree
It’s hard to believe he dated Jessica Simpson. I just wanna see how conversations went between those two.
Don't know if you beat or even got close to Chris Cornell ...
Nope
There were so many talented artists in the 90’s. Kurt Cobain, Shannon Hoon, Layne Staley, Chris Cornell, Scott Weiland, Chester Bennington. All of them are gone way too soon.
And Bjork, Thom Yorke, Jeff Buckley, etc clears them all
Big ups Shannon Hoon
@@JeremyGray-jg4dbHoon's death bothers me the most. Soup is such an underrated album. They were just getting started.
Chester bennington😂 listen he’s great but he doesn’t belong up there with them.
Jerry Cantrell anyone? Mike McCready?
They are alive so… we like our rockstars dead…..
not anywhere close to Kurt’s songs. There are so many better from the 90s like “the Jesus Lizard” or Pavement or sonic youth
They aren’t insanely good singers like Kurt was
@@tungstentip7089😂😂😂😂😅😅😅😅😅
No ones discrediting those guys. But Kurt had a whole different impact. Who else was topping MJ at that time?
This is flattering vecause when i was in 5th grade i was wearing a Zero shirt and 3 otherbjids knee about it
Im sorry but i like nirvana but just no Pearl jams debut album Ten, Smashing pumpkins, Alice in Chains, Blind melon?? Shannon hoon some of his sets was insaneee truly so many things id put before nirvana, im sorry guys not hating and i respext everyone elses opinion about kurt it is all subjective and just my opinion.
I never thought Kurt was the best of the Seattle grunge guys. I’d honestly put Cornell, Staley, snd vedder above him. That’s just me, though.
Thats your Truth ....Ozzy
He's right. ❤
Chris Cornel is up there as well
Truly is sad that Kurt died the way he did the things that he coulda & woulda done are mind boggling because Kurt was really zerod in on what he was doing In Utero I loved but that Unplugged album was really special
hes not wrong
Soul Asylum definitely deserves more credit.
Yeah idk man.
So much talent in the 90s
More than Cornell? Layne? Jerry?
I think Pearl Jam's Ten, u2 achtung baby, OK computer and siamese dream are better than anything nirvana ever did
I’m a huge Kurt cobain fan but I think Layne was just as talented if not more honestly and don’t forget Chris Cornell! But yeah Kurt wrote music that sticks in your head and every teenager goes through a Nirvana phase
Come as you are might be the greatest song ever written .. that or Mayonaise
Or prince 🤴
Reading through the comments made me realize something. Its silly to argue who was a better singer or songwriter or whatever. All of those bands were amazing and they all had their own unique sound. Its like arguing about chocolate or vanilla ice-cream. Lol. Not to mention all the great bands around back then that never got the recognition. The 90s were an incredible time for music. There hasn't been a shift like that since then. Im talking about mainstream and pop music btw. There always will be innovative and incredible music in the underground
Love competitive art
He is being so polite and praisng. Those of us who lived that music when it happened and are still listening to it and his new stuff know Corgan, Cornell, Cantrell and the Deleo brothers are way way more talented. Cobain was great but let the music speak for itself.
Oh come on you can't leave out Shannon & or Scott weiland I understand the disdain or a difference between the Delco brothers and Scott but you can't put in one without the other even though it's self-evident that the front man does get too much credit 👍
But I can tell from your comment I know you know what you're talking about and he is being humble to a dead guy, and I agree let the music speak for itself and if you lived during this time we all know where The talented music lies....
wait. steve jobs is back?
Ol three chord kurt
An opinion generally held by non musicians...
Cmon billy even you dont believe that 😂 Kurt wasn't even top 3 most talented in the 90s.. Comparing him to John Lennon? really? 🤣
I think he truly does believe that lol. And yes, Cobain and Lennon wrote in similar ways, melody wise.
@jacktilghman9797 with your nirvana fan logic, that's like saying a bike could run as fast as a motorcycle cuz it also has 2 wheels and a steer
Please, Pearl Jam has been selling out world tours for 30 years. Not sure but I remember Smashing Pumpkins getting booed at lalapalooza
Does popularity equal talent?
Lol what a guy
He might’ve been John Lennon, but Billy was Brian Wilson.
Billy Corgan:Kurt Cobaine was the most talented of his generation....
Also Billy:I'm not from that generation....lol
Billy is from that generation. He is literally the same age as Cobain.
I don't get it
John Lennon Prince and Cobain. I agree.
No one tops Beck
Why didn’t he beat the rest of them then? He did nothing after melon collie
I guess agree to disagree
Thom Yorke and Johnny Greenwood?
Wrong. That distinction belongs to Travis Meeks.
Hardly. Reznor was. Lyrically. musically. Everything.
I always thought Kurt was kinda sloppy and played the most simple riffs of all 90s guitarists of his era. He was a natural songwriter and had a voice that was perfect for the time though. Smells Like Teen Spirit is the song of the 90s; the grunge anthem. Deep inside that hurts Billy and is why he never associates his music with grunge. He’s 2nd place if he does.
Billy Corgan had everything over kurt other than voice and charisma. I think the first 2 Smashing pumpkins albums were super special. I just wish he could be more humble.
What does he mean by talent?
Ability to play instruments, Voice, Songwriting, Understanding the music needs of his generation?
He didn’t want to be the grunge god then, don’t put it on him now. Even though he is the king beyond the wall. Just listen. 🤜🤛
Yeah and Billy couldn’t help himself from cracking jokes about Kurt’s death on stage, literally just days after the man died.
Chris cornell
Not Radiohead
Kurt was definitely unique and a great artist, but for Billy just to flat out say he was the most talented guy of their generation when he was against guys like Chris Cornell and Layne Stayley is just baffling. Kurt was awesome, but compared to Layne and Chris, there's not contest in terms of talent. Yes, I understand that music taste is of course subjective, and Nirvana were definitely the biggest band at the time, but if were talking strictly talent, Chris and Layne are on another level, and it's not just in terms of artists at the time, but in terms of artists throughout all time.
We just gonna forget Eddie Vedder? Lol
@@BHarris36 No, we can all agree that Eddie is a better vocalist than Kurt, and, depending on your tastes a better song writer as well. But we're talking about Chris Cornell and Layne Stayley here. Who are both leagues ahead of basically anyone in terms of strictly vocals. Hence why I mentioned them. Not to say Eddie isn't a good vocalist cause he definitely is, just not Chris and Layne level (in terms of range and power at least) as of course, who you like better is completely up to your tastes.
@@Silas_Olveda that’s fair. Layne and Chris are in my top 3 but Eddie’s my #1. I feel like he had the most energy out of the grunge scene. Not to be confused with power, I feel like Eddie embodied what “rock music” is. I’m obviously talking 90s Eddie, not current. Now that you’ve clarified you were speaking in terms of power and range, rather than songwriting/energy, I can see why you didn’t mention him.
Layne was my #1 until I saw Eddie’s live MTV Unplugged version of “Black”. That, to me, is the greatest performance of a song that I’ve seen. Obviously Layne was a FREAK when it comes to power, dude could hit some pretty crazy notes in his chest voice, and was a master of vocal projection. Chris, on the other hand, was the most technically sound singer of the 90s, imo. I’m not positive that he was vocally trained but his frequent use of “mixed voice” is what leads me to believe he spent a lot of time working on his technique, where guys like Layne and Kurt were just using their emotion to sing.
Sounds like you respect the same artists I do, much love brother. 🤘🔥
@@BHarris36 Glad you understand brother! I love Eddie as well, no doubt he's a master at his craft. I do however consider Chris Number 1 for my personal tastes as you consider Eddie. I'm just glad we can actually accept eachothers opinions and respect the fact that we enjoy all the music from each artist regardless of who we like best!
@@Silas_Olveda for sure bro! I’m not one to judge others’ musical opinions, MY OWN taste changes all the time so who am I to judge another? I just know all of the big artists from the 90s were amazing, it’s hard to rank them. If any (in their prime) were alive today, they’d still be topping the charts. Glad we were able to have an insightful conversation about our opinions, instead of argue!! That’s rare online, nowadays.
Most stereotypically French non French man
A doco about Kurt. Said you, were bedding with his wife Courtney. Matter of fact, Frances Bean looks more like you than Kurt 😁
Talent is not what you think it is.life is a mystery.therefore talent means nothing
Kurt is more like Messi. Incredibly talented but makes it look easy.
Billy is like Ronaldo. Wants everything perfect and won't stop until it is.
You weren’t better than chris cornell
All I know is, I’m STILL just a rat in a cage
Smashing pumpkins were the number 1 played band on alt radio in the 90’s.
Kurt probably pushed Bill at the extreme artistically he as no way to do Mellon Collie to get attention when the competition was hard...
If Kurt was still alive we would had probably most good albums from both bands...as sometime competition and rivalities push creativity to his high level...
What I like with Bill is he went to explore a very different way into his own way and never try to copy Kurt....he knew that he was the best at what was doing and have to found something else to get attention on him...not like this other pseudo post grunge band that try to rip off this sound and style .....Bill has this own personal view on music very different of Kurt...
"Kurts not here" Neither is John Lennon or Prince
Well I’m going to have to strongly disagree in his proclamation. Chilli Peppers, AIC, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Mark Lanegan, STP, Local H and I’m sure there are a few more that I would rank far above Smashing Pumpkins.
In my opinion Layne Staley was the best
Chris Cornell had the most talent from the generation or Chris Cornell would have probably said Jeff Buckley has the most talent
The more i hear this guy, the more its obvious this guy had a huge ego problem, the anthesis of kurt. You cannot be the rest of Zero, thats about it
Billy could never beat Reznor! Lol
You would have to define "beat" I don't know any level that these rock gods care about whether it be Fanboys money or album sales)I don't think Trent's going to agree with you
Their best two albums were made while Kurt was alive though.
Ahh, Elliot Smith had more talent then Kurt and Billy put together.
I'm sure he was referring to bands on the charts
had him wacked cause cheated with Courtney
Kurt lives rent free in Corgan’s head.
He's just paying respect to his natural and raw talent but still. Smashing Pumpkins >Nirvana
What's this interviewer or interview called?..
Anyone got the full name or title I could look up or a link of sum sort by any chance..
Anyone?..🐼😆
The interviewer is Zane Lowe, The Zane Lowe Show, Apple music.
No... those two guys are nothing like Lennon...😅😅😅
The real geniuses are always walking on the edge of what we view as sanity. But the wrong drugs, driven by his being crippled by chronic pain, made Cobain go quickly. He left behind a pretty small catalog. The main reason he would not be in the same category of a Lennon in my opinion, or even Billy.
His cultural impact was huge, but what was the positive side? Teenage mental health has gone downhill ever since and suicide rates are too high.
I suppose he was a role model for the disaffected but he was widely accepted well before he died.
Noel Gallagher
Noel, is that you?
@@RaoulDuk3 😅
@@RaoulDuk3😂😂😂
But he didn’t beat anyone. He’s not even in the top 4. STP isn’t either and they had more hits.
I don’t think he truly believes what he’s saying here. He understands that comparing himself to someone who is dead and become an idol would just make him sound like a buffoon so he’s being falsely humble to make a good impression after all.
But what he is saying is so ridiculous. Kurt had a few good songs. He happened to release his album right before the alternative rock floodgates would open. So that’s something. But his actual music isn’t that great.
His timing exactly Kurt was more of an all-around artist not just rock and roll but he definitely captured the zeitgeist where as everyone else still had access to the same inspirations and other bands music Kurt was the one who took them all down as Tom Petty described like a sheath whacking the wheat in reference to what Kurt Cobain's teen Spirit did to Spandex and hairspray & GnR
Ehh , except guys like Layne and Chris Cornell or Maynard or Anthony Keetus.
Piceas amen 🙏 same here 😊
billy more talent
But Sir, I like your music so much better than Kurt's...
Sadly AI
No, Jeff Buckley had all the talent
This guy has an ego the size of Texas.
I'm always torn on Billy... He gave us some fantastic music - some of my favorite, actually - and is clearly a very intelligent guy, but that whole "me vs everyone else" mentality along with his over-eagerness to belittle just about anyone (without prompting, even) will stain his legacy.