Jimmy Chamberlin’s drumming is absolutely melodic. It’s unreal. You can hear the entire melody ofCherub Rock in just his drums. I never realized how much of the musicality of that song was coming from Jimmy. This guy is an absolute genius.
As a Gen Xer, I feel totally and completely spoiled. Christ, we had no idea how good we had it being born into such an incredible era of rock and then coming of age into shoegaze, and moving into late adolescence and early adulthood in alternative, grunge, and indie.
I knew the music was amazing at the time, but in retrospect, it wasn’t just amazing, it was a once in a lifetime rock n roll musical renaissance that we lived through.
The fact that he isn’t just playing a beat, he is playing music on the drums. He is so good that you get emotionally transported to the song immediately. The thing that is wild about hearing those parts in isolation is that they are complex parts on their own… but they fit so well with the rest of the song that they just blend into this powerful sound.
As a drummer, I did too! It’s the perfect analogy and I can’t believe I’d never heard of it before. And it truly does sound different to just single strokes.
It is the perfect analogy. That clip should be shown to every guitarist who knows Am pentatonic and who makes a joke about drummers musicality - or supposed lack thereof. Awesome playing too.
1000% i'm not all the way through but the bit from Billy about the Rush riff is mind blowing. don't know if they bring it up in this truncated version or not
The Smashing Pumpkins have been my favorite band since late 94' when I was 12yrs old. My friend's older brother was being deployed overseas and came in the house with a giant box of cassette tapes one day and plopped them on the floor in front of us. Bands in the box included Weezer, Pearl Jam, AiC, Soundgarden, Nirvana, Stone Temple Pilots, NIN, Green Day, many other bands and of course The Smashing Pumpkins. We immediately put the Siamese Dream album into the player because we thought the album cover was funny. Life changing moment. Everyone should go watch these full interviews, they're great. All of Rick's interviews are great. Have a good weekend everyone.
I got my tinnitus from Dinosaur Jr when they played brutally loud in Manchester in 2006... since then I have experienced different tones of ringing in my ears, I even heard my heartbeat sounding very loud in my ears... it lasted for a few minutes, but it was very scary...
This type of detail, power, nuance, consistency, inconsistency/feel, variety, and conversationality is exactly why Jimmy Chamberlin is the most natural, diverse, exquisite, subtle, powerful, improvisational, inspirationtional, and legendary drummer ever. Yes. Ever.
Jimmy dosent get enough credit because he dosent swing his arms around like a gorilla , his technique is utterly flawless, hes like a shark, tiny movements behind the drums but hes controlling an absolute hurricane of speed,percesion and nuance that other drummers of that era just didnt have.
I was fortunate enough to see one of their final shows at the NEC here in the uk, when they first broke up. The break from the softer acoustic first half of the set, and the second set, the lights went down and then a pillar of light lit up Jimmy and he rose up 15-20 feet and did a 3-4 min drum solo. It was so a hell of an experience. Amazing drummer.
Billy could pick an argument with a recording of his own voice. Every interviewer has to tiptoe around eggshells.He has written some great songs but to say that he is a complicated personality would be very charitable.
I love listening to him cause he’s not just a band guy. Guy is super smart, great with business, it’s interesting to hear his expertise/business/creative mindset.
Butch sheds light on something only a songwriter will get, that moment where you play something for someone outside the process and as you’re playing it you suddenly have this moment of clarity where something you’ve heard a thousand times takes on a new light because you’re seeing it through the listeners eyes for the first time and you realize this isn’t good enough
You're experiencing it through the listener's ears for the first time...unless you're talking about music video, then it's through their eyes and ears.
this is so real. when youre the music maker its so hard to get away from the perspective of all the background knowledge and technical bullshit that runs through the mind when you hear your song. getting that outside perspective is everything
Proud to say I knew Jimmy was the best drummer of his era when I was like 12 in the 90's. (I use the term "best" loosely, I genuinely think ranking musicians is ridiculous)
For me - Siamese Dream is top 3 greatest of all time. It's timeless. I get excited listening to it, even to this day. Alone on an island and I could only have 5 albums to listen to. Siamese Dream is likely my first choice. The layers this album has from just the guitar work, is unfathomable. You can only pick up on it over time.
Hearing Jimmy's version and ultimately the final version of the song really demonstrates why he's an incredible drummer. It's not just that he's a great drummer stylistically and holds down the rhythm of the song but emphasizes he the dynamics of everything else in the song along with it. It shows that it's a conscious decision to do that when comparing the initial beat to what he felt it should be.
acoustic cherub rock is awesome. i love Siamese Dream but Mellon Collie & The Infinite Sadness double album is for me the pinnacle of rock, up there with The Beatles, Radiohead, & Zeppelin’s best
I remember the first time I heard the opening drum roles of Cherub Rock. It sounded so dramatic, like the opening of a stage show as the curtain rises. It’s an absolute masterclass in how to open an album.
I remember going to Lollapalooza in 1995 in San Diego and the Pumpkins were headlining. We were pretty tired by that evening. They opened with Cherub Rock. Omg they sounded so good, we were just shot into the stratosphere for the next 2 hours.
Love all Smashing Pumpkins, but for me Gish is on another level. IMO one of the greatest albums ever. Would love to see what would’ve happened if they kept going down the “psychedelic jam band“ phase for a while.
I found Disarm really late... passed my 20s, in my 30s... and I couldn't stop listening to it until I could play it on guitar (I'm 5 months into my journey).. still haven't even heard so so much good music.. I don't know how I skipped The Smashing Pumpkins lol but I was really into rap in those younger days :)
Siamese Dream is among my favorite albums both musically and in production. But if I had to remove one song, it would be Disarm. I always felt that song was out of place with the rest of the album, but it is also one of the songs that makes it popular.
I was one of those guys who thought Siamese Dream was “overproduced” and even phony. Then I saw SP play live and their total immersion in and mastery of the songs won me over completely.
This was a life-changing moment for me, I was playing in a drum line and we spent every afternoon pouring over Jimmy Chamberlain's drums on Siamese Dream. Thank you so much for this interview & thank you for Smashing Pumpkins stunning art. Timeless.
I think the answer to your last question at the end was that rock music was riding an incredibly exciting wave at that moment and EVERYONE I knew was into it. Some preferred one band, some another, but when my friends and I first heard "Cherub Rock" it was instantly like "WOW!!!". Compared to Gish, it was like a jackhammer to the skull but still so melodic and well composed. That's why Butch had those back to back massive records. The wave was moving, the vibe was happening, the SONGS were great, and you couldn't help but be into it.
I'm becoming an old cynical, judgmental prick but Cherub Rock is one of the greatest rock songs and riffs of all time, plus you factor in what an absolute magical tim the 90s were and how the bands and the people in them had the same magic, it was in the air, you could feel it and see it, even without the lsd lol. I'm constantly homesick for those days ✌️💚
When I started learning guitar I picked up the Siamese Dream tab book.. so many great tunes to learn there. After the obvious diasrm, I tackled Soma.. and that one till this day is one of my favorites.. I guess I'm kinda biased haha..
I was never really into the Pumpkins (no disrespect to them. They're great musicians, just wasn't my thing). But "Cherub Rock..." Yeah, that's the Pumpkins song that I can go back to again and again and again. Such a great track. Love these kinds of track breakdowns from all kinds of musicians.
As a 90s kid I loved this record. Pretty much all music media were up there own asses about what music was supposed to be, but the people who actually listen to music knew this was good.
Billy's musical background growing up is "Classic Rock", correct, so it make sense that the influence of Boston or Queen would show up in their production values.
Love Cherub Rock, what a great start to the album. Whenever I think of that I album it just reminds me of how much I loved all the guitar layering, felt like a huge wall of guitar
This album dropped my senior year of high school. I had the white SP t-shirt with the manifesto printed on the back (wore that shirt until it was literally rags). Siamese Dream is the soundtrack of my senior year. I had PJ "Ten" and of course I had Nevermind, and those were great, but Siamese Dream spoke to those of us who were "weird" and not part of the cool kids. It didn't hurt that I grew up in Chicago and after every big band being from Seattle and before that from LA, it felt different to have a "hometown" band that hit us like that. Any single song from this album pulls me right back into that summer and I instantly feel 17 again, a few bucks in my pocket and my life ahead of me.
Kind of crazy to think that 30 years ago crafting an album to sit down and listen to or drive to start to finish was not only a thing but a craft and necessary talent for bands. Times have changed so dang much.
Im not a drummer, but I've played in bands for almost 50 years, & I can't recall ever hearing a drummer who had cymbals with such distinctive sounds from each other🤔..very melodic sounding..well, when Jimmy plays them anyway👍
Pumpkins was my favorite band in highschool. Billy and Jimmy combo is S tier music. Siamese dream is song for song still one of my favorite albums. It's great all the way through. Even saw them a couple years ago and they are still great.
Rick I think you should invite Einar Solberg, Steven Wilson and Matt Bellamy because they are the new breed of prog rock music and the future for the generation
Jimmy Chamberlin’s drumming is absolutely melodic. It’s unreal. You can hear the entire melody ofCherub Rock in just his drums.
I never realized how much of the musicality of that song was coming from Jimmy. This guy is an absolute genius.
Agree 💯
He is 50% of that band after Billy. The Smashing Pumpkins simply doesn't sound the way it does without him.
As a Gen Xer, I feel totally and completely spoiled. Christ, we had no idea how good we had it being born into such an incredible era of rock and then coming of age into shoegaze, and moving into late adolescence and early adulthood in alternative, grunge, and indie.
You are correct!!!
You are correct!!!
It was a magic time to be alive, that is for certain.
The 70s were the best time for music
I knew the music was amazing at the time, but in retrospect, it wasn’t just amazing, it was a once in a lifetime rock n roll musical renaissance that we lived through.
I could listen to this drumming all day long.
Gosh, same here. Chamberlain is the go-to example for rock drumming. BY FAR.
Yeah.. He's effortless..
Im a guitarist but i really want to learn to play drums...and JC is my go to learn❤
Had the same thought. It’s perfect.
F*ck yeah))
I could hear the Cherub Rock riff perfectly with Jimmy's drumming.
I’d hope so lol
indeed so!
The fact that he isn’t just playing a beat, he is playing music on the drums. He is so good that you get emotionally transported to the song immediately. The thing that is wild about hearing those parts in isolation is that they are complex parts on their own… but they fit so well with the rest of the song that they just blend into this powerful sound.
Jimmy Chamberlain comparing the one-handed hits to downpicking is a brilliant analogy. I could tell Rick got genuinely excited in that moment.
As a drummer, I did too! It’s the perfect analogy and I can’t believe I’d never heard of it before. And it truly does sound different to just single strokes.
Chamberlin
@@pooki903brilliant addition to the conversation. What would we do without your once-in-a-generation genius?
It is the perfect analogy. That clip should be shown to every guitarist who knows Am pentatonic and who makes a joke about drummers musicality - or supposed lack thereof. Awesome playing too.
Man, the riff and tone of Cherub Rock, is legendary.
And the solo is very underrated... don't hear people talk about it enough.
@@uzi978 I can't think of a bad Billy Corgan guitar solo on their on anything Machina or earlier.
So is the drumming
These interviews should be added to library of Congress.
Yes! Thank you! The whole channel I might add
1000% i'm not all the way through but the bit from Billy about the Rush riff is mind blowing. don't know if they bring it up in this truncated version or not
Calm down dude
It's Rick! Say hello to my AR-15!
So should your brain that's composed of one cell.
The Smashing Pumpkins have been my favorite band since late 94' when I was 12yrs old. My friend's older brother was being deployed overseas and came in the house with a giant box of cassette tapes one day and plopped them on the floor in front of us. Bands in the box included Weezer, Pearl Jam, AiC, Soundgarden, Nirvana, Stone Temple Pilots, NIN, Green Day, many other bands and of course The Smashing Pumpkins. We immediately put the Siamese Dream album into the player because we thought the album cover was funny. Life changing moment. Everyone should go watch these full interviews, they're great. All of Rick's interviews are great. Have a good weekend everyone.
Loved your story.
@@daflamer1 Thank you, have a good day.
God damn. 30 years later, he remembers the way Butch wanted him to play it. What a beast.
I would watch 1000 hours of content talking about this record. What an album ❤
One of the greatest of all time I think
Remember Vieuphoria? Must've watched that VHS 1000+ hours in 1994 alone.
Rick does so well at this stuff. And I always appreciate the editing/production.
Fucking love Cherub Rock. Probably the fault of 80% of my tinnitus. JC the best and looking so good!
Ditto
REEEEEEeeeeEEEEEEEEEeeeeeee is my constant companion
@@thwwoodcraft1449 Mine is hissing REEEEEEeeeeEEEEEEEEEeeeeeee like a screaming snake.
The Warning in concert gave me my crickets for life. I forgot my earplugs and was on the front row.
@@brentcollins9727 two 2nd row TOOL shows in 2019 back to back weeks cemented my misery.
I got my tinnitus from Dinosaur Jr when they played brutally loud in Manchester in 2006... since then I have experienced different tones of ringing in my ears, I even heard my heartbeat sounding very loud in my ears... it lasted for a few minutes, but it was very scary...
What a great time to be alive!! So spoiled as a teen in the 90s, had NO IDEA how far we had it
Jimmy Chamberlin is one of my favorite drummer's. To me he was a huge part of the Pumpkins sound. Great interview Rick Thank You.
I mean he is the other half of the pumpkins!
@89joshuadavies the proof of how instrumental Jimmy is to the Pumpkins sound is the Adore album because he wasn't on it.
@@davidostlouis gish was the best for me
Jimmy Chamberlin is my all time favourite drummer. And I love listening to him talk about his drumming.
2:00 “we just wanted to be Boston and Queen”…
WE LOVE YOU BILLY 🎉 🎉🎉
This type of detail, power, nuance, consistency, inconsistency/feel, variety, and conversationality is exactly why Jimmy Chamberlin is the most natural, diverse, exquisite, subtle, powerful, improvisational, inspirationtional, and legendary drummer ever.
Yes.
Ever.
Jimmy dosent get enough credit because he dosent swing his arms around like a gorilla , his technique is utterly flawless, hes like a shark, tiny movements behind the drums but hes controlling an absolute hurricane of speed,percesion and nuance that other drummers of that era just didnt have.
He have some jazz swing in his groove, that was more common in the 60s, and that's makes him so interesting ❤️
I was fortunate enough to see one of their final shows at the NEC here in the uk, when they first broke up. The break from the softer acoustic first half of the set, and the second set, the lights went down and then a pillar of light lit up Jimmy and he rose up 15-20 feet and did a 3-4 min drum solo. It was so a hell of an experience. Amazing drummer.
Jimmy is such a powerhouse.
The drums on this song always amazed me what an absolute road roller.
God he is so good at drumming. It’s unreal. Tastiest sounding stuff ever
There’s a mutual respect between Rick and the artists that adds a level of authenticity to these interviews I love
His vocals were really fantastic on this album as well as how it was captured and produced 🔥
I've never missed a flight when Cherub Rock is the wake-up call
Cherub Rock is my favorite song ever. Changed my life.
my ole high school buddy JC . Trust me. We knew in the mid 80s he had it.
Did he have those monster drum chops even then?
These interviews are so important!
Billy could pick an argument with a recording of his own voice. Every interviewer has to tiptoe around eggshells.He has written some great songs but to say that he is a complicated personality would be very charitable.
Jesus !!! Jimmy’s drumming is hypnotic
I love listening to him cause he’s not just a band guy. Guy is super smart, great with business, it’s interesting to hear his expertise/business/creative mindset.
Billy and Jimmy are 2 of the best ever to do it. Just amazing ❤
Butch sheds light on something only a songwriter will get, that moment where you play something for someone outside the process and as you’re playing it you suddenly have this moment of clarity where something you’ve heard a thousand times takes on a new light because you’re seeing it through the listeners eyes for the first time and you realize this isn’t good enough
You're experiencing it through the listener's ears for the first time...unless you're talking about music video, then it's through their eyes and ears.
@@le_th_ This reply isn’t good enough
this is so real. when youre the music maker its so hard to get away from the perspective of all the background knowledge and technical bullshit that runs through the mind when you hear your song. getting that outside perspective is everything
@@chis5050 The difference is that afterwards Billy wrote Today, Disarm and Cherub Rock in response to those feelings of inadequacy lol
I love the sound of this song. It rocks so well in a mostly upbeat way. I wish there were a lot more like it.
Proud to say I knew Jimmy was the best drummer of his era when I was like 12 in the 90's. (I use the term "best" loosely, I genuinely think ranking musicians is ridiculous)
For me - Siamese Dream is top 3 greatest of all time. It's timeless. I get excited listening to it, even to this day. Alone on an island and I could only have 5 albums to listen to. Siamese Dream is likely my first choice. The layers this album has from just the guitar work, is unfathomable. You can only pick up on it over time.
Couldn't agree more, this album had such an impact on teenage me in the 90's, still listen to it all the time now
Pumpkins stand the test of time, find myself going back to their music more than anyone from that era.
Cherub rock starts off as an anthem with the drums and becomes the anthem of that generation. Great song.
Celebrate Jimmy, Billy, D’arcy and James every day! They deserve praise for that sick run of great songs.
6:59 - “It feels like people… humans playing music.”
Thank you VERY VERY MUCH Butch Vig!
Hearing Jimmy's version and ultimately the final version of the song really demonstrates why he's an incredible drummer. It's not just that he's a great drummer stylistically and holds down the rhythm of the song but emphasizes he the dynamics of everything else in the song along with it. It shows that it's a conscious decision to do that when comparing the initial beat to what he felt it should be.
Drummers are underrated!
not by people who know drumming. They totally know hes in the upper echelon.
Not by musicians.
No they're not. Some of you clowns are just obsessed with saying underrated for some reason
I could sit down and listen to just Jimmy’s drums for hours on end. Dude has groove.
Listen to that ghost note stuff Chamberlin performed. My goodness.
One of the best at making the busiest, crowded beats sound perfectly simple
acoustic cherub rock is awesome.
i love Siamese Dream but Mellon Collie & The Infinite Sadness double album is for me the pinnacle of rock, up there with The Beatles, Radiohead, & Zeppelin’s best
Billy is the greatest songwriter of his generation. Jimmy is a superb drummer. 🎸
I remember the first time I heard the opening drum roles of Cherub Rock.
It sounded so dramatic, like the opening of a stage show as the curtain rises.
It’s an absolute masterclass in how to open an album.
Got to see the Pumpkins last summer with STP opening, such amazing live bands!
Seeing them next month!
Class is in session. Rick continues to deliver the goods in these interviews. Amazing.
Be cool to have all 3 Butch,Jimmy,Billy all interviewed together at the same time.
It's so fantastic that you have enough material to put these videos together.
I remember going to Lollapalooza in 1995 in San Diego and the Pumpkins were headlining. We were pretty tired by that evening. They opened with Cherub Rock. Omg they sounded so good, we were just shot into the stratosphere for the next 2 hours.
Love all Smashing Pumpkins, but for me Gish is on another level. IMO one of the greatest albums ever. Would love to see what would’ve happened if they kept going down the “psychedelic jam band“ phase for a while.
you should just make a clip of that drum part - man that's the beat - amazing
his drum tones are wonderful,love his drumming on Cherub Rock.
I found Disarm really late... passed my 20s, in my 30s... and I couldn't stop listening to it until I could play it on guitar (I'm 5 months into my journey).. still haven't even heard so so much good music.. I don't know how I skipped The Smashing Pumpkins lol but I was really into rap in those younger days :)
Siamese Dream is among my favorite albums both musically and in production. But if I had to remove one song, it would be Disarm. I always felt that song was out of place with the rest of the album, but it is also one of the songs that makes it popular.
I was one of those guys who thought Siamese Dream was “overproduced” and even phony. Then I saw SP play live and their total immersion in and mastery of the songs won me over completely.
Chamberlain plays the vocal line in his drummer, it's nuts.
We love you beato
Chamberlain is one of my favorite drummers! Dude just kills it! Love Siamese Dream!
The whole interview is epic.
This was a life-changing moment for me, I was playing in a drum line and we spent every afternoon pouring over Jimmy Chamberlain's drums on Siamese Dream. Thank you so much for this interview & thank you for Smashing Pumpkins stunning art. Timeless.
Those drums are so clean.
Wow, I used to play the heck out of that song at 11 in my Monte Carlo SS convertable with the volume at 11 in 93/94. Great drumming.
I was not expecting that drum cover but it was such a pleasant surprise
How the f is it a drum cover if they fuckin' wrote it?
I may be wrong, but it looks like Jimmy is looking at Rick THE ENTIRE TIME he was playing the Cherub Rock drum part... non-stop!
I think the answer to your last question at the end was that rock music was riding an incredibly exciting wave at that moment and EVERYONE I knew was into it. Some preferred one band, some another, but when my friends and I first heard "Cherub Rock" it was instantly like "WOW!!!". Compared to Gish, it was like a jackhammer to the skull but still so melodic and well composed. That's why Butch had those back to back massive records. The wave was moving, the vibe was happening, the SONGS were great, and you couldn't help but be into it.
The 90s bands that worked all had great drummers.
I'm becoming an old cynical, judgmental prick but Cherub Rock is one of the greatest rock songs and riffs of all time, plus you factor in what an absolute magical tim the 90s were and how the bands and the people in them had the same magic, it was in the air, you could feel it and see it, even without the lsd lol. I'm constantly homesick for those days ✌️💚
This song is amazing. Jimmy Chamberlin is stellar… that grove, my god!!!!!!!!!
When I started learning guitar I picked up the Siamese Dream tab book.. so many great tunes to learn there. After the obvious diasrm, I tackled Soma.. and that one till this day is one of my favorites.. I guess I'm kinda biased haha..
Same! Looked for another copy yesterday and used it's like 60 bucks. That was such a well transcribed tab book.
SNAIL will always be my fav ❤
I was never really into the Pumpkins (no disrespect to them. They're great musicians, just wasn't my thing). But "Cherub Rock..." Yeah, that's the Pumpkins song that I can go back to again and again and again. Such a great track. Love these kinds of track breakdowns from all kinds of musicians.
My favorite Smashing Pumpkins song. Love that Rick is rocking his late period Jim Morrison jacket 👍
Jimmy's precision is simply unmatched.
Brilliant album!
As a life long drummer Jimmy
Chamberlin will always be my favorite
Loved this, I'd also love to see Johnny Rzesnik and Robby Takac on here talking about this era of music!!
As a 90s kid I loved this record. Pretty much all music media were up there own asses about what music was supposed to be, but the people who actually listen to music knew this was good.
Siva is a monster and I love Jimmy's snare stuff
Perfect analogy, I was also thinking of Hetfields downstrokes before they said it! Hah!
Thank you so much! Just hearing those song titles brings such joy.
All (positive) comments in this interview are so spot on!
Beautiful work Beato
👍🇦🇺
Billy's musical background growing up is "Classic Rock", correct, so it make sense that the influence of Boston or Queen would show up in their production values.
What a touch Jimmy still has... Incredible
Jimmy is such a good drummer. The groove.
Love Cherub Rock, what a great start to the album. Whenever I think of that I album it just reminds me of how much I loved all the guitar layering, felt like a huge wall of guitar
One of the greatest albums of ALL TIME.
Just subscribed, love your stuff Rick. I'm not a musician but love music and the process behind the scenes stuff. Thank you!
My favorite song of theirs, it's solid gold.
This album dropped my senior year of high school. I had the white SP t-shirt with the manifesto printed on the back (wore that shirt until it was literally rags). Siamese Dream is the soundtrack of my senior year. I had PJ "Ten" and of course I had Nevermind, and those were great, but Siamese Dream spoke to those of us who were "weird" and not part of the cool kids. It didn't hurt that I grew up in Chicago and after every big band being from Seattle and before that from LA, it felt different to have a "hometown" band that hit us like that. Any single song from this album pulls me right back into that summer and I instantly feel 17 again, a few bucks in my pocket and my life ahead of me.
Kind of crazy to think that 30 years ago crafting an album to sit down and listen to or drive to start to finish was not only a thing but a craft and necessary talent for bands. Times have changed so dang much.
8:10 Holy sh*t ! That's a seriously productive six months :0
Chamberlin is just so freakin incredible. Love him and Greg Gilmore.
Im not a drummer, but I've played in bands for almost 50 years, & I can't recall ever hearing a drummer who had cymbals with such distinctive sounds from each other🤔..very melodic sounding..well, when Jimmy plays them anyway👍
Cherub Rock still hits hard. “Let, Let Me Out!”
Billys tone and riff on cherub rock were out of this world , The whole band was tight thou imo !
Pumpkins was my favorite band in highschool. Billy and Jimmy combo is S tier music. Siamese dream is song for song still one of my favorite albums. It's great all the way through. Even saw them a couple years ago and they are still great.
Rick I think you should invite Einar Solberg, Steven Wilson and Matt Bellamy because they are the new breed of prog rock music and the future for the generation
Steven Wilson is heart breaking at times, so genuinely immersive
Soma, Rhinoceros, Drown and Mayonnaise are amazing songs. Billy is a little pretentious but still a genius. I love that early Pumpkins stuff.
I remember getting Siamese Dream when it dropped and I immediately loved how different it was.
Cherub Rock is freaking phenomenal!!! That whole album was the story if my 20s