Anna Li's Case
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- Опубликовано: 25 мар 2021
- Anna Li and Jiani Wu have been under a SafeSport investigation since 2019. We discuss the details as well as the role parents played in this situation.
An interview with the two women is scheduled to take place within 30 days via SafeSport.
They are being represented by Russell Prince, who has also represented Maggie Haney.
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Parents act like they care more about gymnastics than the actual gymnast. 🤦♀️
I sob uncontrollably each time I hear one of these stories. I tried to speak up as a child but no one would listen. I tried to quit gymnastics several times but my mom and coach always talked me out of it and still stayed in the sport for years to please them. My childhood was lost and my soul damaged forever. I remember getting slapped across the face one day and was told get that look off your face because I must have looked upset that I didn't want to go to practice. Please please please listen to your children and question why they are not happy.
I’m so sorry you went through this. These videos are very triggering. I hope you have support to help heal your inner child
So sad you went through all that. Please look into EMDR therapy. You have endured trauma and you CAN heal. I wish you well....you didn’t deserve that. It was NOT your fault. ❤️
How can a parent allow their child to be abused like that??? I would always put my child before ANY Olympic "dream"? This is sick!!!
A lot of parents do this. They don’t see their kid as a real person. It’s incredibly common. When you call them out, all manner of abuses will be hurled at you. Call them out anyway, there is no excuse for child abuse
Sometimes an athletes career is more based on their parents dreams....its very sad when the girls dreams aren't actually their own but someone else's
Wow y’all are really judgmental. You haven’t been in their shoes.
@@amaaanster I think of you could put yourself in our shoes (the victims) you might have a better understanding of where we are coming from.
That’s fair. Thank you for sharing your side for me to understand more.
They need cameras in the gym PERIOD to protect the coaches and GYMNASTS
@Linda Leonard I think that the whole thing would need to be outsourced to a third party of some kind. There'd be lots of issues to overcome and it'd be expensive too so I guess that'd ramp up the training fees even more which makes equity and even bigger issue that it already is. Urgh.
YES!
@Linda Leonard HAHAH! Omg sooo true! And this is a great idea but also feels weird to me. Like, unless you can capture EVERY angle and behind EVERY mat, it’s useless. I was youknow’ed behind mats and even on a vault table in a gym FULL of people!
Absolutely agree that the issue of parental responsibility needs to be addressed. Parents need to attend workshops or something about what is acceptable and how to deal with unacceptable behavior and get training or something on picking up their kids and leaving. The odd whole-family obsession with a child's gymnastics training has always fascinated me. It's like a cult in many ways and they put up with things like cult members do. I wonder if there is anything in the background of particular parents that makes them susceptible to this. Also club coaches should not have the power to block a gymnast from moving to another gym or getting a scholarship. Doing that should be cause for suspension.
I worry that they are not doing anything because the athletes accusing are not big stars on the team 🙄
This breaks my heart...you are probably right. 😞
Great video. You are doing an amazing job highlighting all the problems in children’s elite sports in general. Parental culpability needs to be addressed. They accept the harsh training and only speak out when their child is either done competing or fails to make their goals. Mental damage is far more lethal. Keep up the great work you are a becon of light
awww Thanks for doing the Anna Li video!!!
Can we just take a minute to point out how the most successful gymnasts in the past couple decades had KIND and SUPPORTIVE coaches??? Simone Biles with Coach Aimee and Laurent Landi, Gabby Douglas and Shawn Johnson with Liang Chow, Madison Kocian with Laurent Landi, Kyla Ross with coach Jenny. And how most of the failed gymnasts had abusive coaches? Hmmmm...
But, all those girls trained and competed under the abusive USAG framework. Simone, Gabby, Madison and Kyla were being sexually abused. Jordyn and Micaela are incredibly successful gymnasts but their coaches were abusive, they're Nassar survivors and survivors of the USAG system.
Obviously, I think athletes should be coached by kind and caring professionals. I just don't quite understand your comment because you're naming abusive survivors in a way that kind of makes it sound like they weren't abused.
@@Tiger-cm1qc I'm pretty sure that Grace McLauchlan (sp?) accused Laurent of being abusive when she was at WOGA (I think). She detailed stuff when the Nassar horror was being exposed
I've got no idea if he's evolved drastically or not (wild guess would be not) but I imagine that he'd be on his best behavior around Simone.
Umm.. Simone, Gabby, Madison and Kyla were ALL victims of abuse. Their coaches did not protect them.
The concept of minors being trained as elite athletes in itself is abusive. Elite athletes are known to endure hundreds and hundreds of hours of gruelling training, strict diets, straightforward criticisms, and inevitable mental fatigues. Gymnastics is probably the only sport where you have to undergo all that all before the age 16 (earliest qualified competing age in the Olympic games). If USAG, and the whole gymnastics community as a whole, wants to really make a change in response to the abuse allegations, they should push the minimum age requirement to an older one so that these young girls can have the opportunity to actually have enjoyable childhoods and not be subject to the life of Elite athletes and the price that it comes with at such an early age
These videos are so important to keep people informed. This is beyond tea and drama, we all know how ugly USA Gym can get and every single employee should be under serious scrutiny for transparency sake.
Parents should be also be done for neglect...can't believe this abuse is still openly going on and almost encouraged
I believe Victoria Levine is still coaching too
She's still coaching and Maggie is still coaching. Crazy situation.
@@usagtea8072 Can’t we do something? Citizen arrest? Call their local news stations? Heck...women’s gymnastics is so popular, especially with Olympics being broadcast this summer...I bet abusive coaches like Haney, Molly, Victoria, etc. will be covered and viewed as a potential high-rating storyline nationally! I so want them to be humiliated and shamed...the same way they did it to innocent girls. Hold them accountable!!
The thing with MG Elite is they are legally allowed to do what they are doing and the parents who bring their children there are fully aware of the situation.
They aren't operating as a USAG gym or as USAG coaches. I wonder how much it costs to insure a gym with that kind of risk (or if the insurance company is aware)?
As long as parents bring them children to coach, they will operate.
The local news could cover it, but Maggie's suspension already caused international headlines.
So the parents simply don't care.
This is so gross. So much pain and abuse it takes away from the beauty of the sport. These poor gymnasts lives are forever changed
I get that parents have invested great amounts of time and money in their dream, but mercy, it's your kids. As for the coaches... recommending Nassar? Yikes.
Wow...I used to Tran with Riley at GAR before she went to LEGACY elite. I’m so proud of her for coming forward and I pray that she heals and can still continue to love the sport at her new gym ❤️❤️
I'm feeling sick. Anna Li, what a shame. What a effing shame on you. And on you, neglect parents. I'm not a gymnast, never was, but I am a survivor of s*xual abuse. I can't even imagine my son suffering the same as me. It's beyond my heart. I just got full panic mode just with the thinking.
Whatever happens to innocent until proven guilty. People are so quick to judge nowadays. These are all accusations.
I feel like there is some kind of psychological manipulation going on with the parents. It's not an excuse, but a possible explanation. If parents aren't aware of how they are being influenced, especially when you have the emotional complexity of a young athlete who does indeed enjoy the sport, but is being abused and mistreated, they may struggle to make the right decision. Someone mentioned workshops for parents and that definitely seems like a good idea, equip the parents to identify any warning signs ahead of time could definitely help well meaning parents avoid getting caught up in a bad situation and bad decisions.
The worst is, the elite gymnasts oftentimes don’t even get the worst. The ‘average gymnasts’ like I was get bullied even worse because we can’t meet the elite standard. Well, I was a track and field athlete - but same principle. I was manipulated by my coach to train through injury. I would ask if I should stop because my foot really hurts, and he would just shrug and give attention to the other athletes and ignore me. Literally like not give me any instruction or guidance. So I would have to endure being ignored or keep training - which was then praised. So I kept training through stress fractures. And one day I came to him with my diagnosis of stress fractures and he literally told me it could not be stress fractures because ‘it would hurt way worse’. Like, it was pretty darn painful but complaining would earn you more laps so I would just shut my mouth and cry with icepacks at home. My parents were manipulated by him too. That’s the thing, blaming the parents isn’t fair because they are victims too.
I trained with Johnny and Uju (I know I butchered the spelling) in Las Vegas way back in 1990-1992. Uju was so nice and caring and Johnny was tough but never out of line. I knew Anna but she was very young at the time. 5 years old or so. She was already talented then! If this is all true, this is sad. But I was not abused nor did I see extreme abuse.
Because it’s not the parents it’s just Anna she Tend to manipulate people my family experienced it first hand I was also told that whenever I got high scores they were judging us easy and that we didn’t deserve them she would constantly call us weak I experienced this firsthand not just verbal but also physical
Thank you for doing these. I have a few comments- if you have this many complaints, regardless of the end outcome, they need to temporarily suspend the coaches. When I first heard that there were complaints against these two, I thought it was a couple girls, only, and just maybe athletes who were sensitive, clearly it has gone beyond that. Lastly, I had a coach who verbally and emotionally abused me, I don’t think my parents understand the gravity of the situation when it happened. I have to think that at least in the case where the parent pulled her kid from the gym a month later, she was in shock initially and didn’t want to believe it had happened. Still I think it’s time for Legacy elite to be re-shaped or closed.
This is disgusting. Right when you think coaches are doing well by their athletes, you hear things like that. Just saddening because this sport is so beautiful. Im speechless, usag and the whole gymnastics system are corrupted
Thank you for bringing up parental culpability. Across all sports there seems to be an attitude that some kind of abuse is to be expected from coaches/trainers and parents continually turn a blind eye to this treatment under the guise of it will help my child in the long term.
My daughter's both trained at and completed for Legacy Elite Gymnastics. The extreme training and commitment has taken a toll on them physically and emotionally.
There’s two type of people that come out of the long-standing abuse they had to endure as gymnast and later go on to become officials, coaches etc in the sport, those who continue the cycle of abuse like Anna and Kim and those who try to end the cycle (like Dominique)
I find it interesting that all these people accused of these type of atrocities say "its not true.." Then what the true then? How can you argue that all these girls are lying? I'd love to know how are all these lying? She can't explain because they're not
So let me get this straight... She decided to emulate and follow the very same path of the system that failed and abused her also? And she called gymnasts overweight when she herself was in no way skinny, both in her prime and currently? Was she just salty because she had a failed gymnastics career? MAKE IT MAKE SENSE!!!
Are there no complaints against her father who is also a coach? Or atleast used to be?(not sure if he still is)
This is such an interesting aspect, as I’m not sure if there are. He is still coaching to my knowledge and is at all of the major comps and spots all their gymnasts.
But all of the complaints seem to be directed at Anna and Jiani.
Great point about parental culpability.
Sure, you want to protect your kids dreams, but as a parent, the fact that they allowed these men and women to systematically destroy their little girls is appalling.
These coaches are reprehensible if the allegations are proven accurate, but if my daughter had 25% the injuries that you reported say Kennedy Baker (*8* broken fingers was the START of the list!!!) had as an elite at Texas Dreams, she would be OUT OF THERE with a quickness, whether Zmeskal (and her greasy husband with his vicious, smug, pernicious, nasty comnents to impressionable little girls) was a world champion or not...
I get that NOW some of these families are suing the coaches and what not, and EVERYBODY is NOW talking about body confidence and soeaking your truth but where was that energy when their kid was in the firing line???
Some of these parents ambition and misplaced obsession with sports glory are as complicit in the awful, unhealthy and exploitative culture around elite women's gymnastics as the coaches simply by allowing (and paying HANDSOMELY!) for their girls to be mistreated on this tragic way.
I wonder if elite gym moms and elite competetive cheer or dance moms and beauty pageant moms are all cut from the same "win at all costs/suck it up/walk it off" cloth???
WAG is a beautiful, but exceptionally brutal sport (at elite level anyway) that routinely destroys little girls bodies and minds, for what????
We can have a looong discussion about why that is...
Also, WHY does elite WAG INSISTS on pretending that female pubertal physical, mental and emotional growth and change can just be ignored in elite gymnastics... ("If that 14 year old tiny Chinese girl can do That INSANE skill on the Beam then you as a 16 year old girl from Ohio who is 6 inches taller, physically more mature with a completely different center of gravity and skeletal stresses HAS NO EXCUSE! So STFU, STOP EATING AND JUST DO IT!!!")
Unbelievable....🤦🏾🤦🏾🤦🏾
Nassar aside, it's not just the US... It seems that EVERY WAG country has abused their elite female gymnasts at some level...
But, for some reason we don't hear of this abuse with the men... Not sure why... Any thoughts on that?
It's sad and a real shame for those girls broken on the wheel of Olympic or elite WAG glory...
Excellent work. I am learning a lot from this discussion and thank you for these very objective, well presented and clear videos...
I'm definitely learning a LOT about elite WAG culture... Cheers!
I kind of feel bad for Anna. When you grow up in an environment of abuse it becomes normalized. It doesn’t excuse what she did but if she grew up feeling that it’s a normal way to train she may not have seen it as being abusive since she went through the same thing and she was being told that’s how just things are done her whole life. All of these girls need therapy and treatment for their mental health to reprogram their thoughts about healthy relationships and eating habits, probably more. It’s such a shame that these coaches have so much power and many are too young to have the words to speak up for themselves. But I’m glad that they seem to finally be doing it.
Crazy. I saw in an interview that McKayla Maroney announced that she was being abused by Nassar while in a car with the 2011 worlds team, and she said that one of the older girls that she looked up to shut it down. I always assumed it was Alicia, but maybe it was Anna Li
Anna was also a Nassar victim. You might want to rethink your response.
@@teresehopfensperger4357 she said at the time she saw him as a trusted figure and shut down any doubts
How do you know what she said?
@@teresehopfensperger4357 it’s in an ESPN article from 2019. “At the time I saw him as a trusted figure, so I pushed down any doubts”. Aly also confirmed McKaylas statement from dateline.
You are incorrectly trying to tie that comment of her personally doubting the abuse that was happening to her - as did the vast majority of his victims- to a car ride where allegedly someone shut the Nassar conversation down. There is no connection between those 2 events and she’s never been identified as that person in the car. Shaming a victim is not acceptable.
can you do a review of the 2021 European championships nominative roster
This if off topic but who did that beautiful full twisting double layout at 2:43
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Faith torrez
Faith Torrez who loves Legacy and her coaches!
Where were the parents of these athletes? My daughter danced & did karate & skating. Every activity she did parents were observing & trust me if there were any "problems" parents got involved.
Many girls carpool and the majority of parents can't afford to watch as these practices are typically 4 hrs/day during work hours.
I’m not surprised unfortunately .. it’s inevitable that stories like this are going to keep coming out until the swamp of USAG is drained . Parents need to start standing up for their children though and stop letting these coaches have all the power . Suspension or maybe even banishment is necessary to set the standard for punishment .
I didn’t do gymnastics but I did kung fu with a Chinese coach, and I can’t help but think that this kind of coaching is completely ingrained into chinese culture. While I wasnt personally physically abused, I was often verbally accused of being “too heavy to jump properly” and the coach often bullied a friend of mine. The culture dictates that if u couldn’t practice or perform u simply didn’t have a strong enough will, and it is definitely common for coaches to say invasive and insensitive things.
this is simply false because we see this with russian coaches, completely white coaches like maggie haney, john geddert, etc. Abuse is not solely cultural.
If you want to make a video about the Schäfer Sisters/ Frehse case I could to some translations for you
Even if Nia Dennis attended Legacy elite, she started at Buckeye in Ohio, because she was the only international elite there when Gabby moved there after 2012.
I suspect she was that "older" gymnast in 2011 who Aly referred to as a listening witness when Mckayla reported Larry Nassar abused her and did nothing.
I had the same thought!
No it was alicia
@@moneyneeded9979 I thought it might be Alicia. How do you know for sure?
Unrelated, but didn’t Nia Dennis train at buckeye gymnastics?
yes
She switched to legacy elite sometime around 2015
@@klw8173 ohhh i don't think i ever knew that
How terrible that been a gymnast and victim herself for all that years became an abuser :(
The grooming of both the kids and the parents to accept the abusive culture of gymnastics (and cheer, and many other sports) happens over YEARS (10+ in gymnastics). If these parents witnessed the events described as a single event out of the blue, they would have absolutely acted, but they have been "trained" not to interfere in the coaching process, as they are told it will weaken/harm the progress of the child. They sat through hundreds of "tough practices" before this one event, and the line has been purposefully blurred for them.
This is not specifically about this video or USA Gymnastics, but do you know if China has ever been investigated by the international body? Their athletes are super small, even for Asian women and some of them look skeletal. I’m wondering if they are starved to keep them out of puberty.
They had to return their Sydney Olympic Bronze medal as one gymnast was underage at the time of competing. That's the only official thing I can recall.
But I do remember a Chinese gymnast talking about the abuse she sustained on twitter. She claimed they were severely restricted in their diets and were encouraged to tell on one another if they ate in the dorms. When she was caught she had to hold a handstand for an hour or something like that.
@@usagtea8072 We certainly have a long way to go in ensuring that athletes are treated well, don't we? Sigh.
So is the sumo coach with the balloons Anna Li? If so what happened to her? She’s got some nerve body shaming 😒
I recognize your voice :)
Gymnastics should be banned in the US and only adults over 18 can practice it. No more children.
Good video
Dont train your children after you will fill complain. Shame on you
Jesus christ this is my little sister's gym I'm scared now
I wonder what kind of disciplinary coaching Chinese gymnasts go through daily compare to the whiny Americans. Geeez..
More than any of us can imagine
This type of TRAINING and WHOLE MINDSET; has been FOR MANY YEARS( ALL the back to OLGA KORBUT era!!!) just very common place AND TOTALLY ACCEPTED as the way to train to get gymnasts to be the best on a INTERNATIONAL LEVEL---- This WHOLE concept was ALSO the VERY SAME --- through OUT ALL the EUROPEAN Communist countries-- ALL of THEM!
It WAS ANS STILL IS -- YES -- RIGHT NOW! The same way of training, in China and ALL European communist countries!
Every SINGLE Chinese and Russian ----- COACHES -- that have NOW migrated to the U.S.A. -- ALL have them-- this is ALL they KNOW!
These coaches train U.S.A. gymnasts the SAME WAY-- they were trained -- they TRUTHFULLY BELIEVE --- it IS the RIGHT way to train, it IS the ONLY way to be the best!
This has BEEN -- FOR OVER the last 25 YEARS(yes, that LONG)-- what has been going on in ALL gyms that are NOW OWNED by Chinese and EUROPEAN past communist -- coaches!
NASTIA LIUKENS -- FATHER-- VALERI--- was EXACTLY one of these people, and he still trains WOGA gymnasts (in the U.S.A. -- just like this!!)
This kind of training -- is STILL the NORM in CHINA , RUSSIA, and ALL other communist countries!
This WILL NOT CHANGE -- REPEAT -- this WILL NOT CHANGE!!!---- in those Countries --- the FIG has ZERO jurisdiction over those countries in terms of treatment of their athletes!
The legal systems in China, for what we consider TOTALLY unacceptable --- and criminal--- DOES NOT EXIST in those countries- -you understanding that is the KEY-- it is STILL
just an accepted and legal way of training and treatment!
The WORST kind of DISCIPLINARY action in China and communist countries is the following;
BEING SENT -- BACK HOME-- this is the WORST!
Because it is WELL known-- these young gymnasts-- WHOLE FAMILIES -- FINANCIAL -- FUTURE--- is at HUGE STAKE!
It is SIMPLE ---If you become an member of the international team, if you beat the U.S.A, , if you being notoriety and medals to yourself, and YOUR BEHAVIOR is portrayed as THAT GOVT WANTS -- the WORLD TO SEE! You will be SEEN as bring glory to that country and this build a perception of how GOOD that country is !
You and your WHOLE FAMILY --- WILL be TAKEN CARE OF --- for the REST OF YOUR LIVES-- you WILL live in much better CONDITIONS -- than the major majority of people!
So, these CHILDREN-- know EXACTLY what is at stake, they KNOW ANY of the DISCIPLINE is WORTH the results ( in their perception!)
They ALSO KNOW being SENT HOME-- means, you and your family , live under MENIAL conditions and your life STRUGGLES are MUCH harder, just like the masses, you have now REVERTED to being ONE of the MASSES who live a menial life!