Man no matter who wins or loses, missed opportunity for Metal Fight Beyblade to have a crossover movie with Bakuten Shoot to overcome an opponent similar to Yu-Gi-Oh: Bonds Beyond Time. Tyson and Gingka would make a crazy duo team. That would have for sure fit the theme that Metal Fight was going for. Personally I think it'd be up to personal preference.
Nah, respectfully, this video is kinda wrong. First off, most of the insane domain expansion-esque sequences from MFB like Pegasus going to outer space can be interpreted in Gingka's vision so it never really confirms because Takafumi Adachi just loves his ambiguous writing so I would recommend never taking this seriously in the power scale, especially since later on Gingka in Zero-G is still struggle against Phantom Fenrir even with the help of Zero, making a guy battled literally satan can't even beat a copor made beyblade make the scale really inaccurate. Second, Zeus's barrier and Super Cosmic Nova shouldn't be counted in the power scale because this is a 1v1. Third, you need to count each character's feat, not just their beys alone; Gingka in the show barely shows any physical prowess outside of hiking up a cold mountain, pulling weights 1000 times, and being good at keeping stamina when running, which kinda all there is him. Meanwhile, Takao had been shown to have more than extreme physical prowess from the age younger than Gingka, survived intense temperature in an actual pocket dimension while barely clothed, ran faster than a car driving in a neighborhood road speed which would be roughly around 15-25mph and he did this while already worn out from earlier run, jumped down from more than a story tall without breaking his legs, chasing his beys for the entire afternoon to evening, that's an insane amount of feats coming from a preteen to teenager. Also, you overlooked the Brooklyn fight because Takao is making a guy who can blast a boulder without training and create an actual BLACK HOLE to struggle and be the one to chase after him, and he did this alone before people started giving him his strength. Meanwhile, Gingka can't even handle a fake god that can only create natural disasters, even with a team of legends. Also, one thing I need to be mention too, MFB can't survive against water, but Plastic gen for some reason can, yeah, I don't know why, but both show showed how they interacted with water, so I guess that's the only weakness when it come to MFB beys lol.
Actually Ginga is much weaker in Zero G here is why, in Zero G they made the Synchrome system, which is weaker than the 4D system, the WBBA didnt want Beyblade to be used for destruction so they purposefully made the Beyblades weaker to prevent that. Also tf does physical prowess have to do with this?? Its not like they will be having a fistfight, its a Beybattle. Also Brooklyns black hole is fake, a black hole that size would absorb a star, yet the black hole could barely destroy a city in 2 episodes.
@@NeoFlonx Yup, Ginga also has infinite power statements but even if you ignore that with Big Bang Pegasis he surpassed Faust who controls space and time and has infinite energy.
As they are ginga would win due to having a advance blade than tyson but tyson being the better blader if he was to have a metal era version of his dragoon ginga wouldnt stand a chance its a big miss opportunity they could done a movie crossover this battle would have been crazy to watch
Its safe to say the bakuten shoot beyblade community has came a long way if this video came out in 2016 you wouldnt see bsb fans coming with the universal metas the way we do now
The fact that Dragon can physically interact with the real world like a normal being. ( They are literally souls) Is already a victory to the dragon, we have seen it when dragoon was fighting in the rome stadium with the European bladers. It was clearly stated that how bit beast can interfere with the real world, the Pegasus will be buried in ground if dragon uses its claws. ( My opinion ) I would love some theories of others as well.
Pegasus also did the same in the last episode of metal fusion. When storm Pegasus defeated lightning L Dragon and ginga and ryuga fell from the big tower(don't remember the name) and Pegasus literally interacted with ginga, by giving him a ride and ginga also grabbed ryuga's hand and saved him too.
@@shreyansh4u594 Honestly no clue, but isn't it more impressive that if Pegasus isn't a soul, spirit or alive in any way, and then for it become "real" for short while to save ginga? Like breaking laws of reality or something. I kinda stopped taking this stuff seriously long ago. Both shows are made for entertainment and non is better then the other, it's just a matter of who liked what, doesn't make either objectively better or worse
They both cameo or are referenced in the Beyblade X manga. I wish we'd get some kinda special chapter when Storm Pegasus & Dragoon S get their X remakes where they finally clash. That'd be amazing.
@@masterofderp8373Yh Rago was stupidly op then again he was a actual god of destruction so gingka surpassing him just put himself as the strongest blader ever
le for tyson : Ap and striking : high uni - multi He was able to defeat dranzer, draciel, cerberus, tala who all are stated to have infinite energy or high uni ( cerberus is not said to but he absorbed the energy of dranzer and draciel so that'd give him inf energy) And tala is said to have surpassed space and time C speed : hypersonic - immeasurable speed Drigger can go invisible which is hypersonic speed and its said that talas dimension was beyond space abd time still dragoon was able to move Durability : high uni Was able to survive attacks from the sacred beasts and cerberus also that fireball is actually a weapon used by tala with the energy of bit beasts which was inf energy too
@@shreyansh4u594 And all of this is just basic knowledge since we watched the original Japanese subbed version but there's still way more than this like transcendent beings in season 1 and the bit beast lore in season 2 and takao vs Kai in season 3 where they were traveling solar systems in space
Metal Fans always disrespect OG Series, and not only OG Series, but Burst and X, the most annoying gen of fanboys just because they don''t want their beloved Metal Series get beaten on Power or Best Anime Series 😂🤣
@Sunset66 - in social media (can't say it because youtube delete my comment) they post lot of proof of some metal fight comments with screenshots for example when in a Burst video they comment about ryuga is better on a Burst edit when this doesn't have to do with metal, in Bakuten they do the same with Gingka. - in Reddit people already said that Metal is the most toxic and People always glazing about Ryuga. - Zankye and DaimyoGT are aware about metal toxicness behavior. - even Takafumi him self got tired about some fans posting "bring back MFB" in some of his posts that aren't MFB related that at the end post to them to stop the spam. Here are the main ones, if you deny it, its up to you.
Actually Pegasus don't stand a chance against dragon... Its just both were in different series in different timeline where power scaling was different...if they both put in same series Ginga gets his cheeks clapped 😂
The next beyblade generation after x need to be more fantasy like OG and metal fight beyblade plus it needs a protagonist just as strong as Tyson and gonna or even stronger 🙏🏾💯
I feel like people forget that Gingka and tyson already fought in the last episode of beyblade G revolution. It was only in the english dub and we didnt see the result of the battle
Awesome! I've wanted to see more discussions like these, match ups between bladers from these gens. They're both very strong bladers, with Ginga possibly having a lot of raw power, and Takao being very skilled and adaptable. I don't really buy the excuse that Takao has a much weaker blade, because while IRL plastic beyblades are obviously weaker than metal ones, in-universe lore is that their beyblades are made of a metal alloy (at least according to the dub). I used to be really iffy over the claim that MFB characters are "Universal Level" because of very flawed places like VS Battles Wiki, who often misinterprets something as literal feats. However, I've come to accept those claims as there are some convincing arguments such as Basalt Horogium having space-time manipulation, who Ginga beats (not by himself, mind you). I do think that some other supposed feats in MFB are overblown a bit. Oftentimes whenever we supposedly see created dimensions or universes in MFB, it's often either metaphorical, just a visual, or explained through other means. Usually, they aren't visible through other people's perspective, so it almost leans more towards being a mental space. One example of that is Pisces, that supposed "pocket dimension" is not a dimension at all, it's explained in the show that Pisces distorted the air in such a way that it tricks Ginga's mind, which is why he feels fire burning, when there's no actual fire, they're just there to throw a blader off their game, and it's why the visual is broken when Ginga uses a vacuum move to suck out the air. Those random space backgrounds we see in say... Chris VS Ginga or Ginga VS Zero are really random, don't have a lot of weight to the situation, and I don't think those are literal space, more likely meant to visually represent the blader spirit, unless we get confirmation that it has actual weight to it. It's kinda like saying that during Phi VS Aiga, Phi was literally throwing planets towards Aiga in space, but in reality it's very, very unlikely to be for real, it's just meant to look cool and that's it. I've also heard claims that Ginga's Galaxy Pegasis literally travelled to another galaxy because his Pegasis zoomed out into a galaxy in the background, which is possible for sure... but it's not really convincing and it's very brief. For all we know, it could just be a cool visual because it's a galaxy, with a Beyblade called "Galaxy Pegasis" zooming into it, we don't truly see how far Galaxy Pegasis goes out, because it's possible that it went far away enough where a small Beyblade becomes invisible to the naked eye, without it being galactic distances away. Plus, Ginga means "Galaxy" in Japanese, so galaxies tend to be his motif anyway. By contrast, Bakuten Shoot Beyblade have a lot of feats and abilities where they're actually there. Takao and Yuriy (Tala) clashing which is outright stated to fracture the spacetime continuum, that one is given more weight, as everyone sees it, that huge block of ice that likely houses this dimension is there at all times, unlike MFB where a lot of supposed dimensional abilities don't really appear through the outside perspective, and can be explained away easily. Brooklyn affecting the world with his mind, it's clearly felt by everyone else and has very tangible effects, everybody sees it. I'm not gonna say that Bakuten Shoot Beyblade's verse is more powerful than MFB's verse, they still have very real feats and good arguments to be made for them, I just wanted to point out those things. I bet if they ever did a crossover though, their power would be equalised and they'd be pretty much equal.
@@saritatiwari439 Oh yeah, like... I only believe something if there's a good foundation for that argument. I see so many people misinterpret certain supposed MFB feats a lot nowadays, even when the show says otherwise, and I feel like it's been happening a lot since it's newfound popularity. I should clarify that I don't have anything against MFB, I like both BSB and MFB just fine and roughly equally.
@@JinWBO actually even tyson surpassed space and time you can watch in the sub ep51 and surpassing space and time > spacetime manip also tala had inf energy
@@shreyansh4u594 Well yeah... I know, I even pointed out that Tala and Tyson fractured the spacetime continuum through their clash (due to the Sacred Beasts in the JP version) and the effect was visible to everyone else as well on the first post.
@@JinWBO That's the difference between a fan and a fanboy. Fans can enjoy both series even when comparing them but fanboys..... Ugh! It's bound to turn into a war.
While BSB can get some crazy showings. It’s inconsistent with the powerscaling and escalation, especially when it comes to Tyson-who can be found losing to people he shouldn’t be losing to. MFB is also consistently more impressive feats and scaling wise. Even if we are low balling, Pegasus is planet level in Masters. I would argue he's multi Galaxy-universal (by the end of Fury) but that’s dependent on interpretation. Speed wise, it’s a complete blitz. Pegasus is able to fly towards distant galaxies (absorb their power) and return in seconds. Which is MFTL+. Obv there's Mickey Mouse anti-feats with the Garcia fight, but that sort of shit can be explained away or be considered outliers (poor writing).
I definitely do see your point and I agree that they're incredibly inconsistent. I think it's mainly because BSB didn't know what direction it wanted to go, because by G-Revolution, the bit beasts are heavily downplayed and it's mostly more grounded, likely because they were doing less of the "monster battle" trend that was popular that time. On the other hand, while MFB does have a lot of genuine feats, it also has plenty of supposed feats that I feel are overblown or misinterpreted. One example is the claim that Pisces can supposedly "create dimensions", but the "dimension" isn't actually that, it's just Ginga getting mind tricked by Pisces manipulating the air which messes with Ginga's head, where Ginga feels fire burning despite being no actual fire. Not to mention, the "dimension" isn't at all visible in the perspective of the audience. I also think that whenever we see some random space background in say, Chris VS Ginga, the background feels at best, like a mental space, but is most likely just some random visual, since it doesn't feel like it has much weight otherwise. I think feats like Basalt Horogium warping spacetime is a tangible feat that isn't just a visual, and therefore has more weight to it (no pun intended).
I think Tyson vs Gingka in Shogun Steel era would be close, but if we compare it to Gingka from Metal Fury finale, Tyson wins.. Dragoon is definitely more powerful than Pegasus .. because in 1st Season finale, Dragoon Solos all the bit beasts absorbed by Tala.. same thing happens with Gingka as Nemesis defeated all beys but after Gingka got the power from all bladers, it defeated Nemesis .. soo If we combine that for Gingka and For Tyson, after getting the power from all the Sacred Bitbeats, Gingka and Tyson on same level .. but only in Shogun Steel .. that is Dragoon MSUV vs Samurai Pegasus .. for Dragoon MSUV vs BigBang .. I would give the win to Tyson slightly .. I actually love both and both are my favourite characters in the shows .. also I am from Metal Fight Generation and Storm Pegasus was my first bey soo .. withut any bias .. I think this is it :))
@@KiiNGKhyy Exactly. They take hyperbolic statements too literally and downplay the OG beyblade anime. I wished you would have been different 😔 and you would have judged them by their feats and not their just statements.
@@KiiNGKhyy No no. It's okay. It's just that no one watches OG Beyblade anime and just puts Metal Beyblade on a higher standards when OG Beyblade was far more darker and mature than any new Beyblade series. When I saw this video and saw the points you made, I guess I was a little disappointed 😞. But hey, nice video anyways.
@Kinomiyasan metal series beyblades literally are capable of blowing up mountains partially without even initiating a special move, they obviously have attack power over og series too
For AP I'll just give you season 1.... sacred beasts have be countlessly described with infinite power throughout s1-2 and you know what that means.... In season 1 in episode 50-51 takao tanked wolborg with 10+ bit beasts unbothered you can go watch the clip yourself takao was unbothered...
@@HHH-x7b2n Here is the debunk for Tala: Basically when Wolborg "surpassed" space and time and gave birth to this "dimension" there was a hidden camera inside the dimension, we know this because the match was being broadcasted on a screen for the crowd in the anime. Now if the dimension was indeed real and if Yuriy actually surpassed space and time, then the camera inside should have either fogged up, been covered in snow or melted by the fireball, but none of those things happened, thus proving the dimension was a projection and if Yuriy did indeed surpass space and time then he should have easily been able to create a real dimension, but he didnt, and thus none of those feats are impressive or real at all. Also the iceberg he made is real, but the dimension itself is not.
Tyson beats Gingka extremely easily imo. I can't agree with your assessment of Ryuga being above Brooklyn when his feats are nowhere close to the latter. Tala from Season 1 did more impressive stuff than both Ryuga, Rago ever did by opening up an entirely new dimension during his battle with Tyson. Brooklyn is essentially s1 Tala on steroids by the end of G-Revolution. The fact that Gingka needed the power of every single blader on the planet to even stand a chance against a weaker opponent, when all Tyson needed was the power of 5 extra bitbeasts (Wolborg, Dranzer, Gaia Dragoon, Draciel, Driger) to turn the tides against Brooklyn says it all. We also have to consider Gingka as a blader is limited skill wise, his entire approach to battling is to overpower with Pegasus and then launch a special move if need be. Whilst also aggressive Tyson has shown plays that far surpass Gingka's skill. These include his original technique to gain more torque on his blade with his upside down launch in the first season, how he used the right spin rotation of Max's Gravity control to rewind the engine gear of his left spinning Dragoon so he was able to reuse his Galaxy Storm special move in the semi finals; learning the techniques of every blader he faced in the World Championships and utilizing them in the battle with Kai etc. Tyson has shown time and time again that he's able to adapt to situations that put him in a disadvantage and come out on top, he's only really lost when the plot has intentionally nerfed him.(Such as when Dragoon refuses to come out to protect itself at the start of V-Force, his first battle with F-Dynasty etc.) whenever Gingka is put into the same situations he doesn't have the ability to adapt and ends up losing in most of those instances i.e: Ryuga, Julian, Ryuga again in 4D. Outside of the fact Bakuten Shoot is Plastic Gen I don't think I can even agree that Pegasus the constellation is stronger than one of the 4 Sacred Spirits. The blade itself on the account of it being metal perhaps, but not the force inside the blades themselves. So if we're comparing Tyson at the end of G-Rev or the Manga where he is still using the HMS system, to Gingka at the end of Zero-G I cannot see a realm in where Gingka wins.
I def agree with this take as I see Tyson as a better blader but its hard for me to see dragoon beating pegasus especialy after gaining the star fragment and how pegasus is able to gather the power of every blader in the world to defeat Rago.
I feel like all your points are valid the only thing i have a serious issure with is you saying tyson wins easily. Imo i don't even think he wins but he puts up a good fight. Overall i definitely see tyson being a more skilled blader who is able to adapt to his situation and find a way to victory. At the same time tho after recently watching the metal saga gingka can also find a way to win in situations where he's disadvantaged. And its happendmed in multiple occasions. One of the most notable being his battle with kyoya where he gets absolutely dominated for 90% of the battle(dare I say 99%) and then at the very end of the fight he gets a sudden burst of power allowing him to tie. These two have similar battle styles but ultimately tyson would probably lose. I imagine tyson having reverse rotation will give gingka some trouble but gingka has much higher feats imo. Personally i don't see brooklyn beating rago or ryuga. And gingka beat rago(mind you with the power of all bladers across the world) with a very powerful special move. Basically what im trying to get at is that if this was purely skill based battle between their blades tyson would probably win. But when it comes to power the top 10 bladers of the plastic gen verse don't even come close to the top 10 of metal saga.
I dont think you actually watched metal fight with an open mind. And you trying to downplay Rago and Ryuga’s feats is insane. The only thing I agree with you on is Gingka’s skill. Its cool if you think the Bakuten cast has them beat, but straight up trying to say the Metal Fight verse is low-diff is some wild shii. Come on unc.
Okay so first of all this is a friendly debate So this mf brooklyn was creating dimensions with his mind so no bit beast no freaky powers just by his freaking imagination do you realize how op that is? Also gingka was using others power while Tyson was using the power of friendship or some bs like that but anyways so that proves power of friendship > imagination and as we all know imagination is limitless so Tyson > infinite and I am not done yet kai literally denied fate that is just straight up outerversal and before you say that is just reality wrarping no it isn't reality warping reality warping is changing things within reality not fate and even if it is just reality warping it is much more powerful than gingka's reality warping because while gingka's was randomly creating places kai changed fate itself and remember kai changed fate not dranzer and as we all know dranzer is stronger than kai So the conclusion is Tyson > Brooklyn > Kai > Gingka And remember if you have any counters let me know I would love to continue this debate and if not that is okay as well but remember this is or was a friendly debate.
I think saying that Kai is outerversal is really, really stretching it, in my humble opinion. There's really nothing to suggest that Kai subverted literal fate that goes beyond reality, we're not talking about any meta hax here, and beating Brooklyn doesn't count because he could've just beaten Brooklyn's insane talent through sheer endurance and hard work. In fact the message in Kai's speech to Brooklyn was that someone with natural talent could still be beaten through learning from the experiences of your battles, wins, losses, etc, which Kai had a lot of. He exploited Brooklyn's weakness of being unable to take the L, that someone so tough could withstand all the moves he throws at them, because Kai is established to be a tough and hardened blader, he's tougher than almost every other blader in the series including Ray. It caused Brooklyn to mess up, lose control and therefore not use his raw talent properly because he was panicking, which allowed Kai to beat him at his moment of vulnerability. All of that comes off as reasonably logical to me, without the need to claim that Kai is somehow outerversal. Plus, if we're going by your logic, wouldn't that make Ginga outerversal too? Ryutaro told Ginga he'd lose to him because, as he outright says, he couldn't fight fate, and yet Ginga did beat him. For that matter, the idea of a blader going against insane odds where they're extremely unlikely to win and yet win anyway is pretty common in Beyblade, and there's no way they'd all be considered outerversal. I should also point out that Ginga also has "friendship power", it's something which the "Blader Spirit" stuff is meant to be anyway, and it's why Ginga preaches about it _a lot_ of times. That's not to say he's stronger or weaker than Takao, I just think that Ginga also had that aspect too.
@@JinWBO bruh kai denied fate itself fate is a concept which makes kai outerversal the literal definition of outerversal is being beyond concepts also ever heard of a metaphor cause what gingka did was just a meataphor kai actually did it also I would like to add brooklyn's dimensions were infinite nothing which again is high outerversal and Tyson beat him (how is this a debate?) Anyways also gingka's friendship power was much weaker because Tyson's version because Tysons version beat imagination💀 That is all I have to say...
@@ibrahimking8 I'm not questioning the scale of such a concept, but Kai supposedly "denying fate" isn't anything like that at all, the show has moments of characters beating the odds all the time, and keep in mind that Kai defeated Brooklyn before he unlocked his true powers. You also can't just pick and choose what's a metaphor and what's literal, especially when there's no proof that Kai literally denied supernatural fate, at least no more than any other time a blader beats the odds. You also do realize that if Kai could deny fate, he wouldn't be constantly losing to Takao, unless you wanna claim that "but Takao is beyond even that", which has absolutely no basis whatsoever, especially when Takao has lost battles many times before, even late into G-Revolution, he'll occasionally lose. I also have to disagree with what you said about Brooklyn, his dimensional ability didn't seem infinite, nor was his "imagination powers" particularly impressive for what it supposedly is, all he did was envelop a planet and sucked up some buildings, boats and citizens, he didn't even create new buildings or any scenery himself apart from the dark clouds, that's it. You have to go by actual feats, and his feats aren't nearly as impressive as you say. No offense, but I think you just want to believe these characters are that powerful, but you're overestimating them as a result. And before you say that Brooklyn was "Infinitely powerful" during the time when Kai defeated him, that's also false. The show makes it clear that, while Brooklyn is ridiculously powerful and talented, he had a set limit that Kai was able to defeat. This is proven when Hiro had to help Brooklyn unlock more power through training, as well as Hiro stating that, while Brooklyn's level of talent was good enough to let him win all the time because no one was on his level, he can't rely on it forever, meaning that if Brooklyn stagnates, he's eventually gonna fall behind.
@@JinWBO Okay maybe I am wrong on the Kai part but you can't deny the brooklyn part brooklyn's dimensions were described as the realm of darkness, darkness is infinite and he was doing this all by his imagination let me reminde you no bit beast and as we all know bit beast is much stronger than the actual blader and again darkness is a concept and the dimensions were filled with darkness so basically his dimensions were a void and void is infinite and void is nothingness bro created nothingness with his mind again outerversal and Tyson destroyed the void again outerversal and also all villains say your fate is to die that is a metaphor, never watched an action movie ?
@@ibrahimking8 I agree that Brooklyn is powerful, has a lot of strong feats and likely created a dimension with his mind (Episode 42 implies that Zeus is part of it when Kai stares at Zeus beside Brooklyn, but it's vague), but another thing you have to keep in mind is that different shows can use the same words, but their definitions can be different or it's just pure hyperbole. You bring up "darkness" as an infinite concept, but "darkness" is a generic word that doesn't necessarily mean infinite, it's usually used to describe a dark or evil power, or because it sounds cool. One show could use it differently from another show. For example, Metal Fight Beyblade has the special move, "Darkness Howling Blazer", a move that Doji heavily implies is made of darkness and able to swallow light, but it's not infinite despite all that, and Doji has nowhere near infinite power. Brooklyn is waaaaay stronger than Doji obviously, but nothing truly suggests that Brooklyn has truly infinite power either. "Darkness" being infinite in one show might be different in another, such as Beyblade, and sadly, Brooklyn hasn't shown anything close to being infinite. Highly powerful yes, but not infinite. Some shows will also use "Fate" as something that's absolute and undeniable, but unfortunately Brooklyn's predictions of fate are not absolute or undeniable. Brooklyn makes initial predictions that get changed midway several times, such as Mystel VS Max, where he thought Mystel would win, only for something new to change the outcome, which was Max being skillful against Mystel and enduring him, where he then predicts the outcome has changed, which it did. Similarly, Crusher VS Takao, he at first predicted that Crusher would win because he was tossing Dragoon around, but after Takao persisted and got fired up, he changed his mind and said Takao would win. His predictions aren't set in stone, his foresight has a limit to how much he can see the outcome. With this in mind, Brooklyn predicting Kai would lose to him is just a prediction, not an absolute fact, since his foresight has limits, and he later admitted that he no longer predicted a victory against Kai because of circumstances changing. Brooklyn's predictions of beating Kai came from him defeating Kai before, his own inability to understand what hard work and blading spirit was, and because Brooklyn was getting complacent as a result of never experiencing a loss before. His predictions are usually based on what he knows or sees.
Beyblades from the metal series were quite literally downright broken
Man no matter who wins or loses, missed opportunity for Metal Fight Beyblade to have a crossover movie with Bakuten Shoot to overcome an opponent similar to Yu-Gi-Oh: Bonds Beyond Time. Tyson and Gingka would make a crazy duo team. That would have for sure fit the theme that Metal Fight was going for. Personally I think it'd be up to personal preference.
This would have been crazy
They should have done a crossover special in burst since they were remaking every beyblade
I honestly think that Tyson was a better blader than Gingka overall, with Dragoon being overall more powerful than Pegasus.
Nah, respectfully, this video is kinda wrong.
First off, most of the insane domain expansion-esque sequences from MFB like Pegasus going to outer space can be interpreted in Gingka's vision so it never really confirms because Takafumi Adachi just loves his ambiguous writing so I would recommend never taking this seriously in the power scale, especially since later on Gingka in Zero-G is still struggle against Phantom Fenrir even with the help of Zero, making a guy battled literally satan can't even beat a copor made beyblade make the scale really inaccurate.
Second, Zeus's barrier and Super Cosmic Nova shouldn't be counted in the power scale because this is a 1v1.
Third, you need to count each character's feat, not just their beys alone; Gingka in the show barely shows any physical prowess outside of hiking up a cold mountain, pulling weights 1000 times, and being good at keeping stamina when running, which kinda all there is him. Meanwhile, Takao had been shown to have more than extreme physical prowess from the age younger than Gingka, survived intense temperature in an actual pocket dimension while barely clothed, ran faster than a car driving in a neighborhood road speed which would be roughly around 15-25mph and he did this while already worn out from earlier run, jumped down from more than a story tall without breaking his legs, chasing his beys for the entire afternoon to evening, that's an insane amount of feats coming from a preteen to teenager.
Also, you overlooked the Brooklyn fight because Takao is making a guy who can blast a boulder without training and create an actual BLACK HOLE to struggle and be the one to chase after him, and he did this alone before people started giving him his strength. Meanwhile, Gingka can't even handle a fake god that can only create natural disasters, even with a team of legends.
Also, one thing I need to be mention too, MFB can't survive against water, but Plastic gen for some reason can, yeah, I don't know why, but both show showed how they interacted with water, so I guess that's the only weakness when it come to MFB beys lol.
Actually Ginga is much weaker in Zero G here is why, in Zero G they made the Synchrome system, which is weaker than the 4D system, the WBBA didnt want Beyblade to be used for destruction so they purposefully made the Beyblades weaker to prevent that.
Also tf does physical prowess have to do with this?? Its not like they will be having a fistfight, its a Beybattle.
Also Brooklyns black hole is fake, a black hole that size would absorb a star, yet the black hole could barely destroy a city in 2 episodes.
@@Sunset6563so can u get Gingka to high uni coz takao in the manga at the end of the 1st arc is high uni due to infinite power
@@NeoFlonx Yup, Ginga also has infinite power statements but even if you ignore that with Big Bang Pegasis he surpassed Faust who controls space and time and has infinite energy.
@Sunset6563controls space and time is hax and it scales no where
@Kinomiyasan Yes it scales to universal.
As they are ginga would win due to having a advance blade than tyson but tyson being the better blader if he was to have a metal era version of his dragoon ginga wouldnt stand a chance its a big miss opportunity they could done a movie crossover this battle would have been crazy to watch
Its safe to say the bakuten shoot beyblade community has came a long way if this video came out in 2016 you wouldnt see bsb fans coming with the universal metas the way we do now
Og series caps out at city level.
@Sunset6563disingenuous low ball
@@Kinomiyasan Planetary is highball for OG series.
@Sunset6563 why is that we've been getting universal ap/dc feats since season 1?🤦♂️
@@Kinomiyasan Those were debunked to wall level.
Metal series is on a different league of power scaling. When they clash, earthquakes literally happen and boulders break lmao.
You'd be surprised what bakuten shoot has done throughout season 1 alone
@@HHH-x7b2n Which has been debunked by me.
@@Lucy_595 that is dc bro 😭 and not impressive
@@Sunset6563 og is higher even if you consider tala as "debunked" due to inf energy.
@@HHH-x7b2n It was quite meek. Plastic beys just don't have that punch.
The fact that Dragon can physically interact with the real world like a normal being. ( They are literally souls) Is already a victory to the dragon, we have seen it when dragoon was fighting in the rome stadium with the European bladers. It was clearly stated that how bit beast can interfere with the real world, the Pegasus will be buried in ground if dragon uses its claws. ( My opinion ) I would love some theories of others as well.
Pegasus also did the same in the last episode of metal fusion. When storm Pegasus defeated lightning L Dragon and ginga and ryuga fell from the big tower(don't remember the name) and Pegasus literally interacted with ginga, by giving him a ride and ginga also grabbed ryuga's hand and saved him too.
@@amitabhmallick1661 is pegasus known as a soul tho or just a spirit and not living creature?
@@shreyansh4u594 Honestly no clue, but isn't it more impressive that if Pegasus isn't a soul, spirit or alive in any way, and then for it become "real" for short while to save ginga? Like breaking laws of reality or something. I kinda stopped taking this stuff seriously long ago. Both shows are made for entertainment and non is better then the other, it's just a matter of who liked what, doesn't make either objectively better or worse
They both cameo or are referenced in the Beyblade X manga. I wish we'd get some kinda special chapter when Storm Pegasus & Dragoon S get their X remakes where they finally clash. That'd be amazing.
What are the references
@@neonthunder3261 where?
I mean pegausus always travels through galaxies and shi
I mean dragoon always traveled through dimensions and shi
@@HHH-x7b2n So does Pegasis.
Now do their rivals!!! Kai with Black Dranzer Vs. Ryuga. The Dragon Emperor Vs. The Black Phoenix!
Ryuga wins against any opponent
@@lucky_man2004Not Rago lmao
@@masterofderp8373 Rago farts away BSB verse.
@@Auvisome max is enough
@@masterofderp8373Yh Rago was stupidly op then again he was a actual god of destruction so gingka surpassing him just put himself as the strongest blader ever
le for tyson :
Ap and striking : high uni - multi
He was able to defeat dranzer, draciel, cerberus, tala who all are stated to have infinite energy or high uni ( cerberus is not said to but he absorbed the energy of dranzer and draciel so that'd give him inf energy) And tala is said to have surpassed space and time
C speed : hypersonic - immeasurable speed
Drigger can go invisible which is hypersonic speed and its said that talas dimension was beyond space abd time still dragoon was able to move
Durability : high uni
Was able to survive attacks from the sacred beasts and cerberus also that fireball is actually a weapon used by tala with the energy of bit beasts which was inf energy too
Don't forget when takao flew through brooklyns dimension in mere seconds
@@HHH-x7b2n true
@@shreyansh4u594 And all of this is just basic knowledge since we watched the original Japanese subbed version but there's still way more than this like transcendent beings in season 1 and the bit beast lore in season 2 and takao vs Kai in season 3 where they were traveling solar systems in space
@@HHH-x7b2n transcendant being isn't known about much so i dont use it
🤓🤓🤓🤓
- Gingka doesn't beat Tyson.
- No, i will not provide justification
- Yes, i am biased
Goodbye
You know I respect that
Metal Fans always disrespect OG Series, and not only OG Series, but Burst and X, the most annoying gen of fanboys just because they don''t want their beloved Metal Series get beaten on Power or Best Anime Series 😂🤣
Actually OG fans also do that.
@Sunset66 The metal do it actually and worse.
@bladerjelavic136 Proof??
@Sunset66 - in social media (can't say it because youtube delete my comment) they post lot of proof of some metal fight comments with screenshots for example when in a Burst video they comment about ryuga is better on a Burst edit when this doesn't have to do with metal, in Bakuten they do the same with Gingka.
- in Reddit people already said that Metal is the most toxic and People always glazing about Ryuga.
- Zankye and DaimyoGT are aware about metal toxicness behavior.
- even Takafumi him self got tired about some fans posting "bring back MFB" in some of his posts that aren't MFB related that at the end post to them to stop the spam.
Here are the main ones, if you deny it, its up to you.
@bladerjelavic136 Everyone is toxic in Reddit, also who cares what a bunch of youtubers think?? Plus Zankye has the worst opinions.
Actually Pegasus don't stand a chance against dragon...
Its just both were in different series in different timeline where power scaling was different...if they both put in same series Ginga gets his cheeks clapped 😂
Terrible logic lmao.
The next beyblade generation after x need to be more fantasy like OG and metal fight beyblade plus it needs a protagonist just as strong as Tyson and gonna or even stronger 🙏🏾💯
@@nolovedre8455 100% I miss beyblades being able to destroy planets. It was so stupidly fun
I feel like people forget that Gingka and tyson already fought in the last episode of beyblade G revolution. It was only in the english dub and we didnt see the result of the battle
@@blackoutamvs6550 what??????
@@shreyansh4u594 Yeah you didn't know, it's the entire focus of the last 2 episodes
Tyson vs Brooklyn ;)
Rob Tinkler (the voice actor) voices both Brooklyn and Gingka.
@@Heat7208 Hahaha you got it. I was really surprised the first time I heard that cause Gingka and Brooklyn sound completely different
funny enough Tsubasa also beat Brooklyn since Kai is Tsubasa, so automatically he also beats Ginga/Gingka
Ginka kinda beats tyson up kinda badly lol
@@senjuuzima891 other way round
@@shreyansh4u594 nope.
@@senjuuzima891 yes*
Nah your wrong lol tyson win all the way he have also metal bey remember
@@shreyansh4u594 prove it lol.
Awesome! I've wanted to see more discussions like these, match ups between bladers from these gens. They're both very strong bladers, with Ginga possibly having a lot of raw power, and Takao being very skilled and adaptable. I don't really buy the excuse that Takao has a much weaker blade, because while IRL plastic beyblades are obviously weaker than metal ones, in-universe lore is that their beyblades are made of a metal alloy (at least according to the dub).
I used to be really iffy over the claim that MFB characters are "Universal Level" because of very flawed places like VS Battles Wiki, who often misinterprets something as literal feats. However, I've come to accept those claims as there are some convincing arguments such as Basalt Horogium having space-time manipulation, who Ginga beats (not by himself, mind you).
I do think that some other supposed feats in MFB are overblown a bit. Oftentimes whenever we supposedly see created dimensions or universes in MFB, it's often either metaphorical, just a visual, or explained through other means. Usually, they aren't visible through other people's perspective, so it almost leans more towards being a mental space. One example of that is Pisces, that supposed "pocket dimension" is not a dimension at all, it's explained in the show that Pisces distorted the air in such a way that it tricks Ginga's mind, which is why he feels fire burning, when there's no actual fire, they're just there to throw a blader off their game, and it's why the visual is broken when Ginga uses a vacuum move to suck out the air. Those random space backgrounds we see in say... Chris VS Ginga or Ginga VS Zero are really random, don't have a lot of weight to the situation, and I don't think those are literal space, more likely meant to visually represent the blader spirit, unless we get confirmation that it has actual weight to it. It's kinda like saying that during Phi VS Aiga, Phi was literally throwing planets towards Aiga in space, but in reality it's very, very unlikely to be for real, it's just meant to look cool and that's it.
I've also heard claims that Ginga's Galaxy Pegasis literally travelled to another galaxy because his Pegasis zoomed out into a galaxy in the background, which is possible for sure... but it's not really convincing and it's very brief. For all we know, it could just be a cool visual because it's a galaxy, with a Beyblade called "Galaxy Pegasis" zooming into it, we don't truly see how far Galaxy Pegasis goes out, because it's possible that it went far away enough where a small Beyblade becomes invisible to the naked eye, without it being galactic distances away. Plus, Ginga means "Galaxy" in Japanese, so galaxies tend to be his motif anyway.
By contrast, Bakuten Shoot Beyblade have a lot of feats and abilities where they're actually there. Takao and Yuriy (Tala) clashing which is outright stated to fracture the spacetime continuum, that one is given more weight, as everyone sees it, that huge block of ice that likely houses this dimension is there at all times, unlike MFB where a lot of supposed dimensional abilities don't really appear through the outside perspective, and can be explained away easily. Brooklyn affecting the world with his mind, it's clearly felt by everyone else and has very tangible effects, everybody sees it. I'm not gonna say that Bakuten Shoot Beyblade's verse is more powerful than MFB's verse, they still have very real feats and good arguments to be made for them, I just wanted to point out those things.
I bet if they ever did a crossover though, their power would be equalised and they'd be pretty much equal.
Finally, someone who is not a mfb fanboy 😂
@@saritatiwari439 Oh yeah, like... I only believe something if there's a good foundation for that argument. I see so many people misinterpret certain supposed MFB feats a lot nowadays, even when the show says otherwise, and I feel like it's been happening a lot since it's newfound popularity.
I should clarify that I don't have anything against MFB, I like both BSB and MFB just fine and roughly equally.
@@JinWBO actually even tyson surpassed space and time you can watch in the sub ep51 and surpassing space and time > spacetime manip also tala had inf energy
@@shreyansh4u594 Well yeah... I know, I even pointed out that Tala and Tyson fractured the spacetime continuum through their clash (due to the Sacred Beasts in the JP version) and the effect was visible to everyone else as well on the first post.
@@JinWBO That's the difference between a fan and a fanboy. Fans can enjoy both series even when comparing them but fanboys..... Ugh! It's bound to turn into a war.
ginga made a fucking galaxy
So does Tyson in the manga.
While BSB can get some crazy showings. It’s inconsistent with the powerscaling and escalation, especially when it comes to Tyson-who can be found losing to people he shouldn’t be losing to. MFB is also consistently more impressive feats and scaling wise. Even if we are low balling, Pegasus is planet level in Masters. I would argue he's multi Galaxy-universal (by the end of Fury) but that’s dependent on interpretation.
Speed wise, it’s a complete blitz. Pegasus is able to fly towards distant galaxies (absorb their power) and return in seconds. Which is MFTL+. Obv there's Mickey Mouse anti-feats with the Garcia fight, but that sort of shit can be explained away or be considered outliers (poor writing).
I definitely do see your point and I agree that they're incredibly inconsistent. I think it's mainly because BSB didn't know what direction it wanted to go, because by G-Revolution, the bit beasts are heavily downplayed and it's mostly more grounded, likely because they were doing less of the "monster battle" trend that was popular that time.
On the other hand, while MFB does have a lot of genuine feats, it also has plenty of supposed feats that I feel are overblown or misinterpreted. One example is the claim that Pisces can supposedly "create dimensions", but the "dimension" isn't actually that, it's just Ginga getting mind tricked by Pisces manipulating the air which messes with Ginga's head, where Ginga feels fire burning despite being no actual fire. Not to mention, the "dimension" isn't at all visible in the perspective of the audience. I also think that whenever we see some random space background in say, Chris VS Ginga, the background feels at best, like a mental space, but is most likely just some random visual, since it doesn't feel like it has much weight otherwise. I think feats like Basalt Horogium warping spacetime is a tangible feat that isn't just a visual, and therefore has more weight to it (no pun intended).
Upscales those ppl
@@JinWBOcan you name some?
@@shreyansh4u594 name some what?
@@JinWBO inconsistency for tyson
Amazing job
I think Tyson vs Gingka in Shogun Steel era would be close, but if we compare it to Gingka from Metal Fury finale, Tyson wins.. Dragoon is definitely more powerful than Pegasus .. because in 1st Season finale, Dragoon Solos all the bit beasts absorbed by Tala.. same thing happens with Gingka as Nemesis defeated all beys but after Gingka got the power from all bladers, it defeated Nemesis .. soo If we combine that for Gingka and For Tyson, after getting the power from all the Sacred Bitbeats, Gingka and Tyson on same level .. but only in Shogun Steel .. that is Dragoon MSUV vs Samurai Pegasus .. for Dragoon MSUV vs BigBang .. I would give the win to Tyson slightly .. I actually love both and both are my favourite characters in the shows .. also I am from Metal Fight Generation and Storm Pegasus was my first bey soo .. withut any bias .. I think this is it :))
Tyson slams
Nah, any version of Ginga is slamming any version of Tyson.
3:25 As soon as I saw this, I quit your video. Because by your logic, Ryuga is Tower Level.
Sorry bro but L take.
Every stat i got was from their player profile character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com/wiki/Takao_Kinomiya_(Canon,_Beyblade)/JJSliderman
@@KiiNGKhyy Exactly. They take hyperbolic statements too literally and downplay the OG beyblade anime.
I wished you would have been different 😔 and you would have judged them by their feats and not their just statements.
@@KiiNGKhyyappeal to authority.
@@saritatiwari439 im sorry :/
@@KiiNGKhyy No no. It's okay. It's just that no one watches OG Beyblade anime and just puts Metal Beyblade on a higher standards when OG Beyblade was far more darker and mature than any new Beyblade series.
When I saw this video and saw the points you made, I guess I was a little disappointed 😞. But hey, nice video anyways.
how can i get a banner like yours bro?
I paid someone on fiverr to make it
When aint see Tyson series properly
I have and Tyson loses horribly.
destroying black hole!!!!! Dragoon solo the narutoverse lmao someone create a meme to troll them
*Fake Black hole.
@Sunset6563doing everything in your power to downplay og beyblade😭
@@Kinomiyasan Because fanboys like you always overrate the series.
So basically Tyson is ryuga but good that checks out
Dragoon slams no diff he's high uni
City level.
@@Sunset6563 high uni, refutation to inf energy? Saying "metal has it too" Doesn't downplay og
@@shreyansh4u594 OG fanboys always ignore inf energy statements from Metal series, so why should i do the same for OG series??
@Darth_Malgus4627 doesn't downplay anything + very different
@@shreyansh4u594 It does.
I don't think OG beyblade fans realize that metal series beyblades are significantly stronger
They aren't all they have is speed compared to og beyblade
@Kinomiyasan metal series beyblades literally are capable of blowing up mountains partially without even initiating a special move, they obviously have attack power over og series too
@@kidplaysgame3590 you act like og beyblade characters never done that or bitbeasts themselves exploding mountains
@@Kinomiyasan Yeah, they are mountain/city level only.
Bruh. I say this all the time. Lol. Tyson beat a dude who had the power to open black holes lol.
*Fake black holes.
Got me an excuse to powerscale takao
As for speed in season 1 takao and yuriy warped into another dimension in seconds
For AP I'll just give you season 1.... sacred beasts have be countlessly described with infinite power throughout s1-2 and you know what that means.... In season 1 in episode 50-51 takao tanked wolborg with 10+ bit beasts unbothered you can go watch the clip yourself takao was unbothered...
@@HHH-x7b2n Here is the debunk for Tala:
Basically when Wolborg "surpassed" space and time and gave birth to this "dimension" there was a hidden camera inside the dimension, we know this because the match was being broadcasted on a screen for the crowd in the anime.
Now if the dimension was indeed real and if Yuriy actually surpassed space and time, then the camera inside should have either fogged up, been covered in snow or melted by the fireball, but none of those things happened, thus proving the dimension was a projection and if Yuriy did indeed surpass space and time then he should have easily been able to create a real dimension, but he didnt, and thus none of those feats are impressive or real at all.
Also the iceberg he made is real, but the dimension itself is not.
@Sunset6563 your camera argument got debunked and the camera argument is just blatant bias and appeal to reality next?
@Kinomiyasan No one debunked it lmao, nice headcanons tho.
Tyson beats Gingka extremely easily imo. I can't agree with your assessment of Ryuga being above Brooklyn when his feats are nowhere close to the latter. Tala from Season 1 did more impressive stuff than both Ryuga, Rago ever did by opening up an entirely new dimension during his battle with Tyson. Brooklyn is essentially s1 Tala on steroids by the end of G-Revolution.
The fact that Gingka needed the power of every single blader on the planet to even stand a chance against a weaker opponent, when all Tyson needed was the power of 5 extra bitbeasts (Wolborg, Dranzer, Gaia Dragoon, Draciel, Driger) to turn the tides against Brooklyn says it all.
We also have to consider Gingka as a blader is limited skill wise, his entire approach to battling is to overpower with Pegasus and then launch a special move if need be. Whilst also aggressive Tyson has shown plays that far surpass Gingka's skill. These include his original technique to gain more torque on his blade with his upside down launch in the first season, how he used the right spin rotation of Max's Gravity control to rewind the engine gear of his left spinning Dragoon so he was able to reuse his Galaxy Storm special move in the semi finals; learning the techniques of every blader he faced in the World Championships and utilizing them in the battle with Kai etc. Tyson has shown time and time again that he's able to adapt to situations that put him in a disadvantage and come out on top, he's only really lost when the plot has intentionally nerfed him.(Such as when Dragoon refuses to come out to protect itself at the start of V-Force, his first battle with F-Dynasty etc.) whenever Gingka is put into the same situations he doesn't have the ability to adapt and ends up losing in most of those instances i.e: Ryuga, Julian, Ryuga again in 4D.
Outside of the fact Bakuten Shoot is Plastic Gen I don't think I can even agree that Pegasus the constellation is stronger than one of the 4 Sacred Spirits. The blade itself on the account of it being metal perhaps, but not the force inside the blades themselves. So if we're comparing Tyson at the end of G-Rev or the Manga where he is still using the HMS system, to Gingka at the end of Zero-G I cannot see a realm in where Gingka wins.
I def agree with this take as I see Tyson as a better blader but its hard for me to see dragoon beating pegasus especialy after gaining the star fragment and how pegasus is able to gather the power of every blader in the world to defeat Rago.
I feel like all your points are valid the only thing i have a serious issure with is you saying tyson wins easily. Imo i don't even think he wins but he puts up a good fight. Overall i definitely see tyson being a more skilled blader who is able to adapt to his situation and find a way to victory. At the same time tho after recently watching the metal saga gingka can also find a way to win in situations where he's disadvantaged. And its happendmed in multiple occasions. One of the most notable being his battle with kyoya where he gets absolutely dominated for 90% of the battle(dare I say 99%) and then at the very end of the fight he gets a sudden burst of power allowing him to tie. These two have similar battle styles but ultimately tyson would probably lose. I imagine tyson having reverse rotation will give gingka some trouble but gingka has much higher feats imo.
Personally i don't see brooklyn beating rago or ryuga. And gingka beat rago(mind you with the power of all bladers across the world) with a very powerful special move.
Basically what im trying to get at is that if this was purely skill based battle between their blades tyson would probably win. But when it comes to power the top 10 bladers of the plastic gen verse don't even come close to the top 10 of metal saga.
I dont think you actually watched metal fight with an open mind. And you trying to downplay Rago and Ryuga’s feats is insane.
The only thing I agree with you on is Gingka’s skill. Its cool if you think the Bakuten cast has them beat, but straight up trying to say the Metal Fight verse is low-diff is some wild shii. Come on unc.
@@KiiNGKhyy actually he was able to defeat draciel who has inf energy or high uni ap
@@mar1hunnit og wins no diff unfortunately
Gosh the Most Toxic Metal Fanboy always saying toxic comments 😂🤣🤣😂🤣🤣
Ironic coming from you.
Kid, i called you out on my channel, reply.
Next one do Valt vs Tyson.
That’s no debate Tyson solos burst
Valt get One Shot by Takao (Tyson) Bro☠️
@@meno3104 At least Tyson and Valt are better than Gingka ☠
@@tileumred3396 Ginga is better than both.
Tyson easily stronger
Not at all.
if tyson dont win im ah need a good ass explanation or you bias
Bro he literally explained it in the video, people like Tyson more, you are just biased.
@@ManishPLAYS ignored many feats
@@shreyansh4u594 Which are non existent.
@@Sunset6563 they exist and inf energy
@@shreyansh4u594 They dont.
no Tyson will win man
No he wont, stop being blinded by nostalgia.
Okay so first of all this is a friendly debate
So this mf brooklyn was creating dimensions with his mind so no bit beast no freaky powers just by his freaking imagination do you realize how op that is? Also gingka was using others power while Tyson was using the power of friendship or some bs like that but anyways so that proves power of friendship > imagination and as we all know imagination is limitless so Tyson > infinite and I am not done yet kai literally denied fate that is just straight up outerversal and before you say that is just reality wrarping no it isn't reality warping reality warping is changing things within reality not fate and even if it is just reality warping it is much more powerful than gingka's reality warping because while gingka's was randomly creating places kai changed fate itself and remember kai changed fate not dranzer and as we all know dranzer is stronger than kai
So the conclusion is Tyson > Brooklyn > Kai > Gingka
And remember if you have any counters let me know I would love to continue this debate and if not that is okay as well but remember this is or was a friendly debate.
I think saying that Kai is outerversal is really, really stretching it, in my humble opinion. There's really nothing to suggest that Kai subverted literal fate that goes beyond reality, we're not talking about any meta hax here, and beating Brooklyn doesn't count because he could've just beaten Brooklyn's insane talent through sheer endurance and hard work. In fact the message in Kai's speech to Brooklyn was that someone with natural talent could still be beaten through learning from the experiences of your battles, wins, losses, etc, which Kai had a lot of. He exploited Brooklyn's weakness of being unable to take the L, that someone so tough could withstand all the moves he throws at them, because Kai is established to be a tough and hardened blader, he's tougher than almost every other blader in the series including Ray. It caused Brooklyn to mess up, lose control and therefore not use his raw talent properly because he was panicking, which allowed Kai to beat him at his moment of vulnerability. All of that comes off as reasonably logical to me, without the need to claim that Kai is somehow outerversal.
Plus, if we're going by your logic, wouldn't that make Ginga outerversal too? Ryutaro told Ginga he'd lose to him because, as he outright says, he couldn't fight fate, and yet Ginga did beat him. For that matter, the idea of a blader going against insane odds where they're extremely unlikely to win and yet win anyway is pretty common in Beyblade, and there's no way they'd all be considered outerversal.
I should also point out that Ginga also has "friendship power", it's something which the "Blader Spirit" stuff is meant to be anyway, and it's why Ginga preaches about it _a lot_ of times. That's not to say he's stronger or weaker than Takao, I just think that Ginga also had that aspect too.
@@JinWBO bruh kai denied fate itself fate is a concept which makes kai outerversal the literal definition of outerversal is being beyond concepts also ever heard of a metaphor cause what gingka did was just a meataphor kai actually did it also I would like to add brooklyn's dimensions were infinite nothing which again is high outerversal and Tyson beat him (how is this a debate?) Anyways also gingka's friendship power was much weaker because Tyson's version because Tysons version beat imagination💀
That is all I have to say...
@@ibrahimking8 I'm not questioning the scale of such a concept, but Kai supposedly "denying fate" isn't anything like that at all, the show has moments of characters beating the odds all the time, and keep in mind that Kai defeated Brooklyn before he unlocked his true powers. You also can't just pick and choose what's a metaphor and what's literal, especially when there's no proof that Kai literally denied supernatural fate, at least no more than any other time a blader beats the odds. You also do realize that if Kai could deny fate, he wouldn't be constantly losing to Takao, unless you wanna claim that "but Takao is beyond even that", which has absolutely no basis whatsoever, especially when Takao has lost battles many times before, even late into G-Revolution, he'll occasionally lose. I also have to disagree with what you said about Brooklyn, his dimensional ability didn't seem infinite, nor was his "imagination powers" particularly impressive for what it supposedly is, all he did was envelop a planet and sucked up some buildings, boats and citizens, he didn't even create new buildings or any scenery himself apart from the dark clouds, that's it. You have to go by actual feats, and his feats aren't nearly as impressive as you say. No offense, but I think you just want to believe these characters are that powerful, but you're overestimating them as a result.
And before you say that Brooklyn was "Infinitely powerful" during the time when Kai defeated him, that's also false. The show makes it clear that, while Brooklyn is ridiculously powerful and talented, he had a set limit that Kai was able to defeat. This is proven when Hiro had to help Brooklyn unlock more power through training, as well as Hiro stating that, while Brooklyn's level of talent was good enough to let him win all the time because no one was on his level, he can't rely on it forever, meaning that if Brooklyn stagnates, he's eventually gonna fall behind.
@@JinWBO Okay maybe I am wrong on the Kai part but you can't deny the brooklyn part brooklyn's dimensions were described as the realm of darkness, darkness is infinite and he was doing this all by his imagination let me reminde you no bit beast and as we all know bit beast is much stronger than the actual blader and again darkness is a concept and the dimensions were filled with darkness so basically his dimensions were a void and void is infinite and void is nothingness bro created nothingness with his mind again outerversal and Tyson destroyed the void again outerversal and also all villains say your fate is to die that is a metaphor, never watched an action movie ?
@@ibrahimking8 I agree that Brooklyn is powerful, has a lot of strong feats and likely created a dimension with his mind (Episode 42 implies that Zeus is part of it when Kai stares at Zeus beside Brooklyn, but it's vague), but another thing you have to keep in mind is that different shows can use the same words, but their definitions can be different or it's just pure hyperbole. You bring up "darkness" as an infinite concept, but "darkness" is a generic word that doesn't necessarily mean infinite, it's usually used to describe a dark or evil power, or because it sounds cool. One show could use it differently from another show. For example, Metal Fight Beyblade has the special move, "Darkness Howling Blazer", a move that Doji heavily implies is made of darkness and able to swallow light, but it's not infinite despite all that, and Doji has nowhere near infinite power. Brooklyn is waaaaay stronger than Doji obviously, but nothing truly suggests that Brooklyn has truly infinite power either. "Darkness" being infinite in one show might be different in another, such as Beyblade, and sadly, Brooklyn hasn't shown anything close to being infinite. Highly powerful yes, but not infinite.
Some shows will also use "Fate" as something that's absolute and undeniable, but unfortunately Brooklyn's predictions of fate are not absolute or undeniable. Brooklyn makes initial predictions that get changed midway several times, such as Mystel VS Max, where he thought Mystel would win, only for something new to change the outcome, which was Max being skillful against Mystel and enduring him, where he then predicts the outcome has changed, which it did. Similarly, Crusher VS Takao, he at first predicted that Crusher would win because he was tossing Dragoon around, but after Takao persisted and got fired up, he changed his mind and said Takao would win. His predictions aren't set in stone, his foresight has a limit to how much he can see the outcome. With this in mind, Brooklyn predicting Kai would lose to him is just a prediction, not an absolute fact, since his foresight has limits, and he later admitted that he no longer predicted a victory against Kai because of circumstances changing. Brooklyn's predictions of beating Kai came from him defeating Kai before, his own inability to understand what hard work and blading spirit was, and because Brooklyn was getting complacent as a result of never experiencing a loss before. His predictions are usually based on what he knows or sees.