When gingka and kyoya were about to start battling the screen changed with a picture of gingka then episode ended indicating he emerged victorious in that battle.
If you are using context from Shogun Steel then there is 0 chance Kyoya won based on what Benkei said, it was either Gingka winning or (more likely to me) another tie
@@sohamghosh5772 He said Gingka was the strongest blader in the world and he admired how Kyoya always tried his hardest to challenge him. If Kyoya won the final battle theres no way in hell his #1 glazer wouldn't mention that.
Its been confirmed that Gingka had won in that final battle because in Zero G Benkei says while talking to Zero in one of the earlier episodes that Kyoya never won against Gingka.
@@HdjdhdhhdhhI don't think that Kyoya would have been satisfied with a tie. And even if there was a tie, Benkei would have said that both Gingka and Kyoya were the world's strongest bladers.
I really like this theory and it’s reasoning, I’d just add that when Kyoya decides to retire he’ll have one last battle against Gingka, the winner doesn’t matter, it could be Gingka making it 2 to 1, Kyoya doing the same or another tie but in the end it will be two lifelong rivals having their final battle
@@ashhabimran239 I want to say that's a green introduction however they said the bar so high I'm not sure if you're going to find rivals that are that close and anime for the next 10 to 20 years you can Read Manga sure but in large popular anime yeah They take the CAKE 🎂
I think the main problem with this theory is that the scene of Kyoya in shogun steel happens so long after that final battle that the assumption Kyoya would’ve never given up on beating Ginga doesn’t hold. For one thing, if Ginga lost in that battle, he probably would have recalled Kyoya at some point and won. I’m assuming this because Benkei admits in episode 1 of Zero-G/Shogun Steel that Ginga was ultimately better than Kyoya, so likely the record would have ended in Ginga’s favour by the point which Kyoya retired. Also, when the legendary bladers are giving Ginga their powers, Kyoya admits to Ginga that Ginga was his motivation to get so strong. This is essentially Kyoya admitting Ginga was ahead of him, so perhaps the final challenge of Ginga was more to give himself closure that he could never beat Ginga. And I think it’s possible this battle isn’t particularly close. This leads on to my own speculation. Maybe Ginga never gave back the star fragment powers he took from everyone to beat Nemesis. As beyblade had fallen out of favour amongst the masses by Shogun Steel, it’s possible that Ginga’s Ryuga-esque wandering state is basically the equivalent of Simon at the end of Gurren Lagann, where he’s now defeated God, holds god-like powers but has no opponent to wield them against. This would justify my previous claim that the battle between Ginga and Kyoya isn’t particularly close, because the star fragment powers stayed with Cosmic Pegasus and Cosmic Pegasus only.
I don't think Kyoya won. In the Shogun Steel series Benkei did say Kyoya never won against Ginka despite him trying for ages, so I think he just reached his limit in Beyblade and retired etc.
That last scene of metal fury kind of reminds me of how rocky 3 ended with Rocky and Apollo about the square up. And later Rocky admitted that Apollo beat him
It's a fair point to believe that Kyoya won in his final battle with Gingka and then retired from beyblade afterward, but it just seems like speculation. Even if Kyoya did legitimately defeat the surviving legendary bladers before battling Gingka, I am honestly not convinced that he would have surpassed Gingka. While it's possible that Kyoya could have finally won, I just think that at best, Kyoya would have tied with Gingka again. Bringing up shogun steel, Kyoya isn't even revered at the same level as Gingka. If Kyoya had defeated Gingka, I think that the shogun steel bladers would show more reverence for Kyoya than Gingka. Ryuga's legendary status in shogun steel is a prime example. Despite losing to Rago, Ryuga is still held in high regard as the blader that Gingka could only manage one win against. It shows that Ryuga's victories and defeats are remembered in reverence, and Kyoya doesn't have anything like that in shogun steel. This is why I am not convinced that Kyoya managed to defeat Gingka yet. It's even possible that Kyoya hasn't retired from beyblade, even if he is running a company. While a great deal of the metal fight beyblade bladers aren't beyblading at the time of shogun steel, Gingka still being a blader is proof of the possibility that Kyoya has yet to retire. After the Nemesis crisis, it does make sense for Gingka to keep beyblading, but even if Kyoya managed to get one win on Gingka, with Gingka still beyblading and possibly getting stronger, it doesn't seem like Kyoya would retire, with Gingka being such a challenge to him. That's my takeaway.
My theory is Kyoya didn't retire at all. Yes, we didn't get much from him in the anime at all, but because he was in Africa, it makes sense if he still did beyblade to train and keep getting stronger.
I think Gingka won because in the first episode of shogun steel, at 20:16 minutes , Benkei tells Zero that Gingka was undoubtedly the best blader which could mean he beat Kyoya.
Doesnt' mean that kyoya didnt possibly beat him i mean ginkga defeated 2 Times and he was still playing Beyblade so in Shogunsteel ginkga is obviously stronger
i remember benkei saying in shogun steel-there is no doubt that the world strongest blader was ginka but i admire kyoya for never giving up and wanting to defeat him which means that he still hasnt defeated ginka
Content aside, the biggest missed opportunity of Metal Saga (besides not making Gingka and Ryuga fight Nemesis together) was not having Kakeru around on the 3 seasons being to Kyoya what Kenta is/was to Gingka!
What i believe is that either, Gingka finally won against him and kyoya had finally accepted him as the most powerful blader or as usual they had a tie
In shogun steel, Benkei claims that Gingka is the strongest bladder in the world. Benkei is Kyoyas number 1# glazer. If Kyoya won, he would flaunt the win. “My buddy Kyoya is the world’s best blader.” Also in the final battle with Nemesis, Rago uses his special move- Armageddon, and everybody there, their beys stop spinning. That is except Gingka, he was the only one strong enough to survive the attack. So he is for sure the strongest blader at that moment. So for Kyoya to win at the end, he would have to get much much stronger. Fighting and beating the others, he did get stronger, strong enough to close the gap between them. But it’s hard to believe he closed the gap and made a new one. So I think Gingka won or it was a tie at most. Gingka=>Kyoya.
@@danieldiaz0919 in episode 140 of metal, all legendary bladers try to fight Rago, so he responds and beats every one of the legendary bladers… except Gingka, he survived the assault and kept on going. As for the Benkei thing, that’s something everyone in this comment section is saying, so I’m not sure what exact episode, but this many people wouldn’t lie. And Gingka in shogan steel is viewed as the best blader in the world. So unless he’s living a lie, then he beat Kyoya and is the best.
Regardless of who thinks who won or if was a tie, ginga is the most accomplished character than anyone else, he was the battle bladers champion, he was then the world champion being the strongest in his team facing starbreakers strongest and beating Damien, he managed to with L dragos assistance stop spiral force with pegasus, from that point in metal fury he didnt really acomplish anything apart from a notable win over chris and defeating nemesis but obviously nemesis doesnt really count when hes got the strength of every bay in the world
do you really think that beating damien was the point that gingka became abit ahead from kyoya then just like kyoya said think again becoz when damien was going to battle kyoya he said he received an arrangment based on gingka s data and now hes even stronger than gingka but kyoya defeating that version of damien shows that kyoya was on another level and have fangs to defeat gingka as well
While I agree that Kyoya likely won against Gingka, I just cannot see him retire from beyblade. From his first appearance onward we saw him train like hell with Leone, from a deep bond and rise higher and higher. Even if his ultimate goal is reached and no one can challenge him anymore, he would never just stop spending time with Leone. It is likely far less than during his training days, but I see him beyblading for fun every now and again with other legendary bladers or newbies who want to get better.
Yeah I always thought Kyoya won the last fight. Thematically it would reinforce the idea that Gingka borrowed the world's power so on his own he's just another strong legendary bladers, just like Kyoya. I agree with all the points you say as well. It does bring closure to Kyoya's story and could be a reason Gingka goes on a journey like Ryuga. It would be a good reminder that you could always improve.
I mean Shogun Steel was supposed to have another arc like a world tournament ans Keyoya was supposed to be a sponsor or coach for a team while Ginka was supposed to play the same role for the Japan team. Giving them another match up but with their students not blades.
@wildfangedits6630 it was confirmed after the first season of shogun steel ended however they erased everything bcos beyblade died... I wish someone could revive to whole series again.
I wish would’ve gotten a second season of zero g to show how and where the old character are doing and introduce new characters with those old characters maybe
RYUGA WILL ALWAYS REMAIN THE STRONGEST IN THE BEYBLADE UNIVERSE.NOBODY CAN REPLACE THE DRAGON EMPEROR.THE DRAGON EMPEROR JUST IS THE DRAGON EMPEROR!!!!!
In one of the first episodes of Shogun Steel Benkei tells Zyro that Kyoya spent his life challenging Gingka but never succeeded...so be Gingka to win this ultimate duel or they tied
I watched the whole video and I can’t think that Gingka won that battle anymore, it’s pretty convincing! And I can’t imagine that a character like Kyoya would retire Beyblade completely even if it makes sense, Beyblade is just a game after all xdd And Kakiru “idk if I wrote his name right” is really a likeable character that I actually would love to see more and I think he would make a nice friendship with Ryoto it’s fun to think about all of this 🥹 And I really to see that battle, to see Kyoya’s victory but what can we do? Just imagine it 🥹✨
Really cool theory! I haven’t really watched too much of Zero G so I prolly should! Seeing those shots of all our characters from S1-S3 all grown up hits so different!
I considered kyoya to win that fight, as it wouldve been well earned. Also In the manga his dad has a company that he takes over, but I dont think hed retire from battling entirely. I think he wouldve come up with a new special move to win, but I think hed win regardless.
I think it was a tie him being retired doesn’t actually mean he Beat gingka it could mean that gingka acknowledged kyoya is the strongest blader He’s Battled and will always be his number one rival kyoya probably Retired Accepting He will always be as strong as gingka and tham mentioning gingka Being the best Blader but not mentioning kyoya it’s probably because gingka Going around helping other bladers and battling while kyoya is retired and working so it would make more sense why they will always bring up gingka being the number one blader but not mentioned his rival That’s probably equal him now because he doesn’t blade as often or at all anymore but probably still helps out gingka from time to time for info if he needs it
The speculation isn't bad, it kinda makes sense but I'm not fully convinced. Unfortunately there is too little information about this so we may never know the answer
I think in Shogun Steel Ginga is the strongest blader because he kept traveling the world and became stronger but yess .. I also feel Kiyoya beat Ginga in the end of Metal Fury
0:40 you forgot that Kyoya never beated Ryuga either. What could be hilarious if he succeeded to defeat Ginga before season 3 and the star fragrant makes him return to Beyblade after his retirement from the game l
There is a chance Kyoya is just running TC and trying to beat Ginga, just look at Seto Kaiba you can run a company and still have the undying urge to beat your rival
Considering that benkei said that gingka is the strongest bladder in the world, I think its more likely kyoya never defeated gingka in a battle. Also, about the whole "kyoya only retiring if he defeated gibgka," its not impossible to believe kyoya simply took the "end of Z vegeta route," and stopped stressing trying to beat gingka and accepted that he will forever be the strongest of the two, so he can live a more peaceful life It would also be good character development for him if he accepted that he doesn't have to be the strongest
I was thinking this thought exactly. Basically the characters matured and grew up. Even Gingka doesn't seem to be battling competitively, etc. and is kind of a Beyblade guide/ambassador in Shogun Steele despite still being consider the top blader in the world.
I thought the same thing. Also I believe ( based on ginga's look from shogun steel) that ginka start training like ruyga. It is clear that the only reason that kyoya was training harder than ginka and this is the reason of their ties. So if ginka took his train more seriously he could surpass kyoya. But that's just my opinion
I absolutely love Kyoya and I appreciate the effort put into the video but there is much more evidence to prove that he never beat Gingka. In shotguns steels first episode Benkei says "Theres no doubt that the guy known as the worlds strongest is Gingka, but Kyoya never backed down and KEPT challanging HIM" he basically implies that altough Gingka was always the strongest of the 2 Kyoya never stopped trying to beat him even after the events of Fury. While it is techniqually speculation as well it just logically makes more sense given that the "worlds strongest" title isnt thrown around lightly and if you currently have the title and get beat by someone that title gets instantly transferred over unless it was taken in an unfair way. If Kyoya would have won well then he would be holding the title of worlds strongest even after retirering. Another thing is that 7 years is a lot of time for people to develop, even if Kyoya 100% retired that doesnt necessarily mean he beat Gingka, could simply be that his priorities changed, it happens all the time with people. But saying that he retired right after beating him isnt of his character right after the events of Fury in such a short time since Kyoya knows Gingka will just keep getting stronger which brings me back to my original point, no matter how strong Gingka got he kept challanging him. Its rare for the winner of a battle to be the one to challange the loser over and over, but Gingka simply accepted his request over and over because thats just his personality. Lastly....Gingka plot armor. All in all this still is speculation but still more likely what happened given the context of the show.
The only thing I have to argue with that is Gingka was being called the world's strongest long before Shogun Steel he even had that title as fas back as Metal Masters. He lost several battles before and after that and specifically, the one person he technically took title from, he only beat once and it wasn't even under normal circumstances; Ryuga. Ryuga cooked Gingka in their first battle, he only lost their second match because he was overtaken by the dark power and Gingka once again needed the power (plot armor) of countless other bladers to win and even then, after that Pegasus had to retire/evolve into Galaxy Pegasus Their battle in Metal Masters was inconclusive but based on how it was going I think we can agree Ryuga was gonna win And finally when they fought in Metal Fury, Ryuga cooked him *and* Kyoya back to back with ease. Gingka couldn't beat Nemesis on his own either, dude needed the power of the other Legendary Bladers *and* the power of every blader in the world and even then, Pegasus was *barely* spinning after that. I'm not saying Gingka is weak but even if he *is* the main character, he shouldn't have the title of World's Strongest
@@thewhitespectreYou make a compelling point. However you have to keep in mind Ryuga lost the second battle because he didn't had the capacity to beat him in the first place. Ryuga lost to Kyoya in the semi finals, and wasn't doing much better against Gingka when he realized he had a reason to fight. Not until the dark power (plot amour, yes it's plot amour as well) kicked in. Ryuga wasn't going to win wheater or not the dark power kicked in or not. He was going to get cooked. The only reason why he's in the finals is because of l drago, that's it. Also it's absouoty fair to call Gingka the strongest blayder in the world. He won battle blayders, and was Japan's strongest blayder. He won the Beybalde World Championship. He saved Earth and everyone. It's absolutely fine to call him the worlds strongest or most powerful blayder. He earned it.
@@prabhjotdhesi4015 Yeah see Idk about that, Kyoya was definitely going blow for blow with Ryuga, but he was struggling to do so even before L-Drago took over Ryuga in the tail end of their battle, Kyoya got flung back several times and had to taunt Ryuga into battle him with raw power alone to make it a fair fight. Ryuga was beating Gingka in their second fight and stealing Pegasus' power before his friends showed up, then after L-Drago took over again, before he could destroy Gingka, somehow the spirits of Hikaru Tsubasa and Kyoya came out to protect him? After Ryuga had just put them in comas? Oh and the world championship? Gingka was getting completely pressured by Damian in that last battle until plot kicked in and he somehow beat him with ease? And then Kyoya comes and beats Damian just as easy? It's the same way they brought Masamune in just to have him lose pretty much every battle he's in so Gingka can look good. Dude fought first and talked immense crap only to lose both times to Klaus and then to Zeo? I'm getting off topic here but as I said earlier, I'm not saying Gingka isn't strong, but there were definitely battles he's won that realistically he shouldn't have
@@thewhitespectre I see you have a bit of a understanding issue. But I'll help you out. Ryuga didn't himself had the strength to defeat Kyoya. Him using L Drago his again plot amour for himself as he's not really battling himself with his own very power. Yeah Kyoya was getting blown back. But that's not because of Ryuga. That was because of L Drago. Ryuga was even struggling to defeat Kyoya himself with just himself actually controlling L Drago and not letting it use all the stolen power to took. Kyoya actually forced L Drago so much pain that it had to take over Ryuga. The dark bey knew Ryuga wasn't strong enough to defeat Kyoya by himself. He never did. Their battle clearly shown this. While Ryuga was out cold by the dark power Kyoya was still standing. Therefore he was the clear winner when it came to the stronger blayder. Gingka was loosing yeah. But that's always how it goes for him until he figures out how and what he can do. He's proven this so many times. Once he has the upper hand Ryuga was getting cooked, he absolutely had no way of winning afterwards. He couldn't he couldn't defeat Kyoya. What makes you think he was going to defeat Gingka? He wasn't. He didn't had the capacity. He didn't know what to do and there wasn't anything he could do. Up until of course plot amour kicked in and the dark power took over. Therefore Gingka wins early on. At that point. He was facing off L Drago in Ryuga's body. Not Ryuga himself as he lost early on. And in the world championship. Plot amour did not get kicked in instantly like you think. You need to understand. That Gingka was showing and saying that he wasn't done. And it was the same thing with Kyoya. There wasn't plot. He simply reminded himself what he can and has to do. Just like his final battle in metal fusion. And he didn't win with ease. That's silly lol. And yeah Masumane was pretty much to loose and to set up for Gingka. But realistically who was gonna win against Gingka in the world championships? Nobody. Kyoya was the only one who could've done it. His battles was as realistic as it could get with his character. Also keep this in mind.... it's a cartoon😂. It's supposed to be for kids to watch and enjoy
@@prabhjotdhesi4015 Oh I understand and I enjoy the cartoon as much as the next person 🤣 I'm just going based off what was stated and shown. And I'll be honest outright and just say it, I didn't like Gingka at all as a character, his voice was annoying asf, his plot armor, and some of his lines and his overall character just made me ick 😅 And now I understand what your saying about how Ryuga didn't beat Kyoya but L-Drago did. So would you then say that any of Ryuga's victories in Metal Masters and beyond were plot armor? Or did he win those on his own merit as the show and writers portray? Because even to this day, everyone fans and the writers alike agree and acknowledge that Ryuga only lost two battles. to Gingka in Season 1 & to Rago in Season 3 Speaking of Rago, THAT mf had plot armor 🤣
@wildfangedits6630 i think there are two of these probabilities. 1) Kyoya wanted to do a last battle with Gingka no matter who win (i think there would be a tie) after that he would have decided to set his life maybe. 2) The kyoya would have won and then he would have been retired as u said 3)See if Gingka would have won then i dont think that kyoya will have Give up and been retired bcz till now he have done harsh training just win against this 1 blader, it was like his dream so i end up here. Like or heart if u think im right. Well the most chances are 1)Kyoya would have won 50% 2) Tie 30% 3)Gingka would have won 20%
I'm definitely feeling that Kyoya won, which would be something Gingka would be, like, almost proud of. Even, Kyoya getting to call Gingka a friend after winning, instead of a rival, might be the most satisfying thing.
My theory is that Gingka finally defeats kyoya but in that battle both beys might've destroyed completely so that may be that gingka had samurai pegasus
I still don't understand how kenta is not the strongest out of them all I mean even before he became a LB he was still almost on par with gingka after that training with ryuga
@@progskep If he did win then Ginga wouldn't have need to be the world champ.It was a plot requirement.He is the main character so he needed to win.But since the writers wanted to show that They are on the same level.They tied simple fsct
The thing is didnt Benkei or I dont know how was the maincharacter of Zero G called? Zyro? no idea anyways didnt he or Benkei mention, that Kyoya never won against Gingka?😅
It could also just be character development for kyoya like vegeta in z where he says goku is better than him (let’s not talk about super😅🤫) since throughout the metal series kyoya has been developing into a better person and it could just be that he’s reached that level where he realised that his obsession with beating gingka wasn’t getting him anywhere and was in fact hurting his relationships with everyone. I am not saying gingka won, I believe that it was most likely a tie since it was made apparent that they were equals in the end and that is probably why it was open ended so that people can accept any interpretation they want without leaving any fanbase disappointed, anyway that’s just my take on that last scene.
Could you do a video of the metal fury non-legendary Bladers in the metal masters tournament? I’m curious how some of them would perform against masters characters.
Agreed especially with the symmetry of Kyoya losing the first time and winning the last time but devil's advocate It might have been the opposite side of the nemsis OTV (Ine True Villain) subversion where the more villainous nemesis gets defeated by the other half Where this time the half a chamce to find a different path that brings them happiness (nitmally one of them would get this chance but for reasons turn away amd back to their obsession with with the nemesis) What if Kyoya didn't turn away
I guess Kyoya and my reasoning doesn’t back it lol, but in the rocky movies rocky beat Apollo but they had a 3rd match that wasn’t never shown but in Creed, rocky said Apollo won the 3rd match. So I believe the writes might’ve done something similar with kyoya va ginka
Gingka defeated Nemesis, Kyoya won against all the other Legendary Bladers minus Gingkja. Regardless of who won, safe to say Gingka and Kyoya are the top 2 bladers on the entire planet by this point
I don't think it matters who won that battle. When they both faced off in that particular moment, they did so with honor and respect for the other. So no matter who won, who lost, or if it was a tie, they still had the most fun they've ever had in that battle and are content with that battle, regardless of how it end. Either way, the scenario in Zero G/Shogun Steel would still be the same. I think that's why they closed that moment off like they did, because the result really didn't matter, it was the fact they finally got that big battle they've been waiting for that mattered more. And I think Kyoya was still battling at the time of Zero G/Shogun Steel. He was to just very busy running a family company that had been inherited to him to participate in any significant tournaments. The characters of the prior three seasons were all grown and had responsibilities. This is why we also didn't see Tsubasa or Benkei battle at all either. But that doesn't mean that they retired completely because they all still love beyblading with all the hearts. It's just hard for them to battle as often as they use to because, you know...responsibilities. It's the same sort of thing with how ended Plastic Gen in the Anime. Doesn't matter if Kai or Tyson/Takao won or tied, they both enjoyed battling each other again either way in that moment because they were battling for the fun of the sport. Back then, regardless of the result of that battle, they'd still eventually grow up, have kids who succeed them like in the manga. But that doesn't they themselves retired, because once a true blader, always a blader.
No, Gingka won the match. While congratulating Zyro on the Shogun Steel season, he says "obviously these are your times. But I didn't lose either. I will be your opponent the next time we meet. Let's just wait, zyro." and he left. ruclips.net/video/psgWepIj0I0/видео.htmlsi=x96Y4HX3hJTt9NuG
Nope. If Kyoya won Benkei would be boasting about it. Like naming his food place Lion's Den or something. Just bcoz he is retired doesnt mean he won. It just mean they dont need to fight anymore. Like Gingka was just travelling around. And Im a Kyoya fan. Im a freaking leo and I know that guy wont be retiring. Its just that they arent needed anymore and banned from entering bey competition coz it'll be just unfair
Is this topic video worthy? : what if Julian and ryuga actually were to battle. In masters ryuga said “1 day u and I will settle things” but it never actually happened do u think their battle would impact the way things progressed at all?
At that point in the series, we didn’t know just how strong Ryuga became in season 2 so it was a debate. It’s definitely interesting but Ryuga is a lot stronger. Maybe Destroyer rotating to the left would prevent L drago from absorbing power though
Yeah I think this is one of the most flawed theories from Wildfang Edits. There’s a myriad of other reasons why Kyoya would have given up on beating Gingka. For one, Gingka was a step above Kyoya by the end of the series, and if he continued at that level, Kyoya would likely have had to eventually admit Gingka was just stronger.
@@doutigui you’re acting as if gingka 9:13 is a far weaker than Ryuga. don’t forget most of the times were Gingka doesn’t win convincingly, it’s because he does not take Beyblade seriously. But when he put his mind to it and trains relentlessly. He could by far be strongest bladder.
Honestly I think Gingka takes this win again kyoya did have a big goal to defeat gingka but the final battle I think gingka took another victory because I don’t see kyoya beating gingka ever I just thought maybe kyoya finally realized he can’t beat gingka just how he can’t beat ryuga and just gave up there’s no way I think gingka win
What I hoped to see is a kenta vs ginkga rematch. I felt that kenta also wanted to beat ginkga but he knows that he had no chance since he wasn’t strong enough but with his new power, he is finally strong enough to match ginkga in battle.
I think Kyoya would have finally won....cuz first two times he lost and next 3 times he tied ....once he was about to defeat Gingka but Masamune interrupted so....the few times he could have gone past ginka just by an inch or so....and full fill his all time revenge 😂❤
Anyways i think beeting a god of destruction is more badass but hey even that i bet you wouod say kyoya could have done that .. then why havent he done that ? Deal with it : ginga is now the strongest bleader on the word kyoya is not. Y'all are fanboy its ridiculous
Imao y'all would die for ginga to lose and kyoya to win...y'all really has problem. Deal with it : kyoya never won against ginga. You are literaly inventing a battle / a win its funny 😂.
@@nicorman8868 BRO he was literally the strongest bladder at the end of the series he was the only one to stand against nemesis while others broke theirs i dont think he won but a tie is more accurate hes just not that stronger then ginka
He could have js been training the entire shogun steel time, its unknown who won, apparently gingka did bc benkei said that, like gingka he would continue training bc he still needs to catch up to ryuga, your logic doesn't really make th most sense bc if he saw gingka training and catching up to ryuga he'd want to get back on his lvl
The guy never said Kyoya beat Ryuga. He said he defeated all the other legendary bladers and Ryuga and Rago aren't around anymore. Which implies that he never got to face those 2 after they disappeared
I think you might be right tho he might have beat him at some point even if he dint in metal fury it’s been seven years from there and if he’s retire it’s because of that for sure because 23 it’s not even that old and gingka is still battling at that age and Kyoya character was made to be gingka iconic rival and he would never stop until he beat he’s greatest rival even ryuga was stronger than both combine and he dint care about him at all he cared about defeating gingka that was he’s ultimate goal ryuga was just a guy on he’s way to get to gingka he never saw ryuga as a bladder to beat
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When gingka and kyoya were about to start battling the screen changed with a picture of gingka then episode ended indicating he emerged victorious in that battle.
If you are using context from Shogun Steel then there is 0 chance Kyoya won based on what Benkei said, it was either Gingka winning or (more likely to me) another tie
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Wht did benkei say bro
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@@sohamghosh5772 He said Gingka was the strongest blader in the world and he admired how Kyoya always tried his hardest to challenge him. If Kyoya won the final battle theres no way in hell his #1 glazer wouldn't mention that.
@@brycemkwI feel that is more writers wanting to keep it ambiguous
Its been confirmed that Gingka had won in that final battle because in Zero G Benkei says while talking to Zero in one of the earlier episodes that Kyoya never won against Gingka.
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Meybe a tie
@user-fu2jj3pl3o yes that doesn’t mean gingka won
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@@HdjdhdhhdhhI don't think that Kyoya would have been satisfied with a tie. And even if there was a tie, Benkei would have said that both Gingka and Kyoya were the world's strongest bladers.
I really like this theory and it’s reasoning, I’d just add that when Kyoya decides to retire he’ll have one last battle against Gingka, the winner doesn’t matter, it could be Gingka making it 2 to 1, Kyoya doing the same or another tie but in the end it will be two lifelong rivals having their final battle
Kyoya is the pinnacle of what a rival in a shounen should be.i cannot think of any series where the rival is this competent
In the og series Kai was even greater than his rival Tyson...
@@sohamghosh5772which is a bad thing the rival should be EQUAL/WEAKER than the mc for most of the series
Gingka and Kyoya were my introduction into the world of anime rivalries
@@ashhabimran239 I want to say that's a green introduction however they said the bar so high I'm not sure if you're going to find rivals that are that close and anime for the next 10 to 20 years you can Read Manga sure but in large popular anime yeah They take the CAKE 🎂
@@sohamghosh5772 oh fr? Ik bro had a Dragoon that's all😂😂 even though that was my first beyblade from the OG series
Plot twist:Gingka finally realised that Storm Bringer can be used to counter Leone and win.
It's criminal that this show didn't get a 4th season. It deserved it!
so dispointing bro
i really wish we did
I think the main problem with this theory is that the scene of Kyoya in shogun steel happens so long after that final battle that the assumption Kyoya would’ve never given up on beating Ginga doesn’t hold. For one thing, if Ginga lost in that battle, he probably would have recalled Kyoya at some point and won. I’m assuming this because Benkei admits in episode 1 of Zero-G/Shogun Steel that Ginga was ultimately better than Kyoya, so likely the record would have ended in Ginga’s favour by the point which Kyoya retired.
Also, when the legendary bladers are giving Ginga their powers, Kyoya admits to Ginga that Ginga was his motivation to get so strong. This is essentially Kyoya admitting Ginga was ahead of him, so perhaps the final challenge of Ginga was more to give himself closure that he could never beat Ginga. And I think it’s possible this battle isn’t particularly close.
This leads on to my own speculation. Maybe Ginga never gave back the star fragment powers he took from everyone to beat Nemesis. As beyblade had fallen out of favour amongst the masses by Shogun Steel, it’s possible that Ginga’s Ryuga-esque wandering state is basically the equivalent of Simon at the end of Gurren Lagann, where he’s now defeated God, holds god-like powers but has no opponent to wield them against. This would justify my previous claim that the battle between Ginga and Kyoya isn’t particularly close, because the star fragment powers stayed with Cosmic Pegasus and Cosmic Pegasus only.
I don't think Kyoya won. In the Shogun Steel series Benkei did say Kyoya never won against Ginka despite him trying for ages, so I think he just reached his limit in Beyblade and retired etc.
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Of course a dude named Wildfang would say Kyoya won😂
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That last scene of metal fury kind of reminds me of how rocky 3 ended with Rocky and Apollo about the square up. And later Rocky admitted that Apollo beat him
It's a fair point to believe that Kyoya won in his final battle with Gingka and then retired from beyblade afterward, but it just seems like speculation. Even if Kyoya did legitimately defeat the surviving legendary bladers before battling Gingka, I am honestly not convinced that he would have surpassed Gingka. While it's possible that Kyoya could have finally won, I just think that at best, Kyoya would have tied with Gingka again. Bringing up shogun steel, Kyoya isn't even revered at the same level as Gingka. If Kyoya had defeated Gingka, I think that the shogun steel bladers would show more reverence for Kyoya than Gingka. Ryuga's legendary status in shogun steel is a prime example. Despite losing to Rago, Ryuga is still held in high regard as the blader that Gingka could only manage one win against. It shows that Ryuga's victories and defeats are remembered in reverence, and Kyoya doesn't have anything like that in shogun steel. This is why I am not convinced that Kyoya managed to defeat Gingka yet. It's even possible that Kyoya hasn't retired from beyblade, even if he is running a company. While a great deal of the metal fight beyblade bladers aren't beyblading at the time of shogun steel, Gingka still being a blader is proof of the possibility that Kyoya has yet to retire. After the Nemesis crisis, it does make sense for Gingka to keep beyblading, but even if Kyoya managed to get one win on Gingka, with Gingka still beyblading and possibly getting stronger, it doesn't seem like Kyoya would retire, with Gingka being such a challenge to him. That's my takeaway.
My theory is Kyoya didn't retire at all. Yes, we didn't get much from him in the anime at all, but because he was in Africa, it makes sense if he still did beyblade to train and keep getting stronger.
I think Gingka won because in the first episode of shogun steel, at 20:16 minutes , Benkei tells Zero that Gingka was undoubtedly the best blader which could mean he beat Kyoya.
Doesnt' mean that kyoya didnt possibly beat him i mean ginkga defeated 2 Times and he was still playing Beyblade so in Shogunsteel ginkga is obviously stronger
i remember benkei saying in shogun steel-there is no doubt that the world strongest blader was ginka but i admire kyoya for never giving up and wanting to defeat him which means that he still hasnt defeated ginka
sure he is the strongest Kyoya retired 😂
Perhaps ginga was still stronger even if kyoya won eventually since there could have been rematches after that final battle in fury.
Maybe but we wouldn't know if there was rematches but i still remember in metal master that Ginga tied with Kyoya due to plot
If gingka had plot he would’ve won
Content aside, the biggest missed opportunity of Metal Saga (besides not making Gingka and Ryuga fight Nemesis together) was not having Kakeru around on the 3 seasons being to Kyoya what Kenta is/was to Gingka!
Gingka and Ryuga teaming up against Nemesis would have been Sick
What i believe is that either, Gingka finally won against him and kyoya had finally accepted him as the most powerful blader or as usual they had a tie
In shogun steel, Benkei claims that Gingka is the strongest bladder in the world. Benkei is Kyoyas number 1# glazer. If Kyoya won, he would flaunt the win. “My buddy Kyoya is the world’s best blader.”
Also in the final battle with Nemesis, Rago uses his special move- Armageddon, and everybody there, their beys stop spinning. That is except Gingka, he was the only one strong enough to survive the attack. So he is for sure the strongest blader at that moment. So for Kyoya to win at the end, he would have to get much much stronger. Fighting and beating the others, he did get stronger, strong enough to close the gap between them. But it’s hard to believe he closed the gap and made a new one.
So I think Gingka won or it was a tie at most. Gingka=>Kyoya.
What episode does Benkei say that and what episode did gingka survive rago special move
@@danieldiaz0919 in episode 140 of metal, all legendary bladers try to fight Rago, so he responds and beats every one of the legendary bladers… except Gingka, he survived the assault and kept on going.
As for the Benkei thing, that’s something everyone in this comment section is saying, so I’m not sure what exact episode, but this many people wouldn’t lie. And Gingka in shogan steel is viewed as the best blader in the world. So unless he’s living a lie, then he beat Kyoya and is the best.
@@danieldiaz0919 i think BenKei says it in Shogun Steel episode 1-4
Regardless of who thinks who won or if was a tie, ginga is the most accomplished character than anyone else, he was the battle bladers champion, he was then the world champion being the strongest in his team facing starbreakers strongest and beating Damien, he managed to with L dragos assistance stop spiral force with pegasus, from that point in metal fury he didnt really acomplish anything apart from a notable win over chris and defeating nemesis but obviously nemesis doesnt really count when hes got the strength of every bay in the world
do you really think that beating damien was the point that gingka became abit ahead from kyoya then just like kyoya said think again becoz when damien was going to battle kyoya he said he received an arrangment based on gingka s data and now hes even stronger than gingka but kyoya defeating that version of damien shows that kyoya was on another level and have fangs to defeat gingka as well
While I agree that Kyoya likely won against Gingka, I just cannot see him retire from beyblade. From his first appearance onward we saw him train like hell with Leone, from a deep bond and rise higher and higher. Even if his ultimate goal is reached and no one can challenge him anymore, he would never just stop spending time with Leone. It is likely far less than during his training days, but I see him beyblading for fun every now and again with other legendary bladers or newbies who want to get better.
This cliff hanger gave me insane rage bait
Yeah I always thought Kyoya won the last fight. Thematically it would reinforce the idea that Gingka borrowed the world's power so on his own he's just another strong legendary bladers, just like Kyoya. I agree with all the points you say as well. It does bring closure to Kyoya's story and could be a reason Gingka goes on a journey like Ryuga. It would be a good reminder that you could always improve.
I mean Shogun Steel was supposed to have another arc like a world tournament ans Keyoya was supposed to be a sponsor or coach for a team while Ginka was supposed to play the same role for the Japan team. Giving them another match up but with their students not blades.
Was this confirmed in the manga or somewhere else?
@wildfangedits6630 it was confirmed after the first season of shogun steel ended however they erased everything bcos beyblade died...
I wish someone could revive to whole series again.
I wish we got more to this series, even an extra episode in Shogun Steel to show more of the OG Characters and hear their voices for one last time
This ending sounds so satisfying
I wish would’ve gotten a second season of zero g to show how and where the old character are doing and introduce new characters with those old characters maybe
RYUGA WILL ALWAYS REMAIN THE STRONGEST IN THE BEYBLADE UNIVERSE.NOBODY CAN REPLACE THE DRAGON EMPEROR.THE DRAGON EMPEROR JUST IS THE DRAGON EMPEROR!!!!!
Also Nemesis lol
@@DarthRatchetDoesn't count. Nemesis uses hacks
Kai, Tyson, Brooklyn, rei, max, all slap Ryuga.
@@challengerjakku1943they are the og real beyblade fans know
@@challengerjakku1943grew up with the OG’s but come on not a chance Rey or Max take Ryuga.
In one of the first episodes of Shogun Steel Benkei tells Zyro that Kyoya spent his life challenging Gingka but never succeeded...so be Gingka to win this ultimate duel or they tied
I watched the whole video and I can’t think that Gingka won that battle anymore, it’s pretty convincing! And I can’t imagine that a character like Kyoya would retire Beyblade completely even if it makes sense, Beyblade is just a game after all xdd
And Kakiru “idk if I wrote his name right” is really a likeable character that I actually would love to see more and I think he would make a nice friendship with Ryoto it’s fun to think about all of this 🥹
And I really to see that battle, to see Kyoya’s victory but what can we do? Just imagine it 🥹✨
2:21 ok what the frick is up with Masamune's hair
@blackoutamvs6550 That hair looks like the hair of someone having a midlife crisis 💀
Great analysis WildFang
Thanks
Really cool theory! I haven’t really watched too much of Zero G so I prolly should! Seeing those shots of all our characters from S1-S3 all grown up hits so different!
I considered kyoya to win that fight, as it wouldve been well earned.
Also In the manga his dad has a company that he takes over, but I dont think hed retire from battling entirely.
I think he wouldve come up with a new special move to win, but I think hed win regardless.
I’d say Kyoya would finally get his break but based on what Benkei said in Zero G, it seems Gingka won that fight.
I think it was a tie him being retired doesn’t actually mean he Beat gingka it could mean that gingka acknowledged kyoya is the strongest blader He’s Battled and will always be his number one rival kyoya probably Retired Accepting He will always be as strong as gingka and tham mentioning gingka Being the best Blader but not mentioning kyoya it’s probably because gingka Going around helping other bladers and battling while kyoya is retired and working so it would make more sense why they will always bring up gingka being the number one blader but not mentioned his rival That’s probably equal him now because he doesn’t blade as often or at all anymore but probably still helps out gingka from time to time for info if he needs it
The speculation isn't bad, it kinda makes sense but I'm not fully convinced. Unfortunately there is too little information about this so we may never know the answer
I think in Shogun Steel Ginga is the strongest blader because he kept traveling the world and became stronger but yess .. I also feel Kiyoya beat Ginga in the end of Metal Fury
if we're looking at it in a technical sense, even IF he retired and beat gingka in metal fury
he still didn't beat all the legendary bladers
I mean yeah he never defeated ryuga
In shogon steal benki tell to zero in the first episode that kyoya never beat gingka so that mean that gingka won or tied against kyoya
0:40 you forgot that Kyoya never beated Ryuga either.
What could be hilarious if he succeeded to defeat Ginga before season 3 and the star fragrant makes him return to Beyblade after his retirement from the game l
You convienced me, solid reasoning
There is a chance Kyoya is just running TC and trying to beat Ginga, just look at Seto Kaiba you can run a company and still have the undying urge to beat your rival
I think they probably tied and the took different roads. Ginka continued battling and kyoya may retired but I don’t think so
Considering that benkei said that gingka is the strongest bladder in the world, I think its more likely kyoya never defeated gingka in a battle.
Also, about the whole "kyoya only retiring if he defeated gibgka," its not impossible to believe kyoya simply took the "end of Z vegeta route," and stopped stressing trying to beat gingka and accepted that he will forever be the strongest of the two, so he can live a more peaceful life
It would also be good character development for him if he accepted that he doesn't have to be the strongest
I was thinking this thought exactly. Basically the characters matured and grew up. Even Gingka doesn't seem to be battling competitively, etc. and is kind of a Beyblade guide/ambassador in Shogun Steele despite still being consider the top blader in the world.
THATS SOME W KYOYA DEVELOPMENT💯💯🔥🔥🗣️🗣️
I thought the same thing. Also I believe ( based on ginga's look from shogun steel) that ginka start training like ruyga. It is clear that the only reason that kyoya was training harder than ginka and this is the reason of their ties. So if ginka took his train more seriously he could surpass kyoya. But that's just my opinion
Yes 👍
Kyoya lucky Ryuga wasn’t around for the legendary bladder gauntlet because then he wouldn’t have ever fought Jinka
I absolutely love Kyoya and I appreciate the effort put into the video but there is much more evidence to prove that he never beat Gingka.
In shotguns steels first episode Benkei says "Theres no doubt that the guy known as the worlds strongest is Gingka, but Kyoya never backed down and KEPT challanging HIM" he basically implies that altough Gingka was always the strongest of the 2 Kyoya never stopped trying to beat him even after the events of Fury.
While it is techniqually speculation as well it just logically makes more sense given that the "worlds strongest" title isnt thrown around lightly and if you currently have the title and get beat by someone that title gets instantly transferred over unless it was taken in an unfair way. If Kyoya would have won well then he would be holding the title of worlds strongest even after retirering.
Another thing is that 7 years is a lot of time for people to develop, even if Kyoya 100% retired that doesnt necessarily mean he beat Gingka, could simply be that his priorities changed, it happens all the time with people.
But saying that he retired right after beating him isnt of his character right after the events of Fury in such a short time since Kyoya knows Gingka will just keep getting stronger which brings me back to my original point, no matter how strong Gingka got he kept challanging him.
Its rare for the winner of a battle to be the one to challange the loser over and over, but Gingka simply accepted his request over and over because thats just his personality.
Lastly....Gingka plot armor.
All in all this still is speculation but still more likely what happened given the context of the show.
The only thing I have to argue with that is Gingka was being called the world's strongest long before Shogun Steel he even had that title as fas back as Metal Masters. He lost several battles before and after that and specifically, the one person he technically took title from, he only beat once and it wasn't even under normal circumstances; Ryuga.
Ryuga cooked Gingka in their first battle,
he only lost their second match because he was overtaken by the dark power and Gingka once again needed the power (plot armor) of countless other bladers to win and even then, after that Pegasus had to retire/evolve into Galaxy Pegasus
Their battle in Metal Masters was inconclusive but based on how it was going I think we can agree Ryuga was gonna win
And finally when they fought in Metal Fury, Ryuga cooked him *and* Kyoya back to back with ease.
Gingka couldn't beat Nemesis on his own either, dude needed the power of the other Legendary Bladers *and* the power of every blader in the world and even then, Pegasus was *barely* spinning after that.
I'm not saying Gingka is weak but even if he *is* the main character, he shouldn't have the title of World's Strongest
@@thewhitespectreYou make a compelling point. However you have to keep in mind Ryuga lost the second battle because he didn't had the capacity to beat him in the first place. Ryuga lost to Kyoya in the semi finals, and wasn't doing much better against Gingka when he realized he had a reason to fight. Not until the dark power (plot amour, yes it's plot amour as well) kicked in. Ryuga wasn't going to win wheater or not the dark power kicked in or not. He was going to get cooked. The only reason why he's in the finals is because of l drago, that's it. Also it's absouoty fair to call Gingka the strongest blayder in the world. He won battle blayders, and was Japan's strongest blayder. He won the Beybalde World Championship. He saved Earth and everyone. It's absolutely fine to call him the worlds strongest or most powerful blayder. He earned it.
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Yeah see Idk about that, Kyoya was definitely going blow for blow with Ryuga, but he was struggling to do so even before L-Drago took over Ryuga in the tail end of their battle, Kyoya got flung back several times and had to taunt Ryuga into battle him with raw power alone to make it a fair fight.
Ryuga was beating Gingka in their second fight and stealing Pegasus' power before his friends showed up, then after L-Drago took over again, before he could destroy Gingka, somehow the spirits of Hikaru Tsubasa and Kyoya came out to protect him? After Ryuga had just put them in comas?
Oh and the world championship? Gingka was getting completely pressured by Damian in that last battle until plot kicked in and he somehow beat him with ease?
And then Kyoya comes and beats Damian just as easy? It's the same way they brought Masamune in just to have him lose pretty much every battle he's in so Gingka can look good.
Dude fought first and talked immense crap only to lose both times to Klaus and then to Zeo?
I'm getting off topic here but as I said earlier, I'm not saying Gingka isn't strong, but there were definitely battles he's won that realistically he shouldn't have
@@thewhitespectre I see you have a bit of a understanding issue. But I'll help you out. Ryuga didn't himself had the strength to defeat Kyoya. Him using L Drago his again plot amour for himself as he's not really battling himself with his own very power. Yeah Kyoya was getting blown back. But that's not because of Ryuga. That was because of L Drago. Ryuga was even struggling to defeat Kyoya himself with just himself actually controlling L Drago and not letting it use all the stolen power to took. Kyoya actually forced L Drago so much pain that it had to take over Ryuga. The dark bey knew Ryuga wasn't strong enough to defeat Kyoya by himself. He never did. Their battle clearly shown this. While Ryuga was out cold by the dark power Kyoya was still standing. Therefore he was the clear winner when it came to the stronger blayder.
Gingka was loosing yeah. But that's always how it goes for him until he figures out how and what he can do. He's proven this so many times. Once he has the upper hand Ryuga was getting cooked, he absolutely had no way of winning afterwards. He couldn't he couldn't defeat Kyoya. What makes you think he was going to defeat Gingka? He wasn't. He didn't had the capacity. He didn't know what to do and there wasn't anything he could do. Up until of course plot amour kicked in and the dark power took over. Therefore Gingka wins early on. At that point. He was facing off L Drago in Ryuga's body. Not Ryuga himself as he lost early on.
And in the world championship. Plot amour did not get kicked in instantly like you think. You need to understand. That Gingka was showing and saying that he wasn't done. And it was the same thing with Kyoya. There wasn't plot. He simply reminded himself what he can and has to do. Just like his final battle in metal fusion. And he didn't win with ease. That's silly lol. And yeah Masumane was pretty much to loose and to set up for Gingka. But realistically who was gonna win against Gingka in the world championships? Nobody. Kyoya was the only one who could've done it. His battles was as realistic as it could get with his character. Also keep this in mind.... it's a cartoon😂. It's supposed to be for kids to watch and enjoy
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Oh I understand and I enjoy the cartoon as much as the next person 🤣
I'm just going based off what was stated and shown. And I'll be honest outright and just say it, I didn't like Gingka at all as a character, his voice was annoying asf, his plot armor, and some of his lines and his overall character just made me ick 😅
And now I understand what your saying about how Ryuga didn't beat Kyoya but L-Drago did.
So would you then say that any of Ryuga's victories in Metal Masters and beyond were plot armor? Or did he win those on his own merit as the show and writers portray?
Because even to this day, everyone fans and the writers alike agree and acknowledge that Ryuga only lost two battles.
to Gingka in Season 1
& to Rago in Season 3
Speaking of Rago, THAT mf had plot armor 🤣
Who knows who won this Battle or maybe it was a Draw again
they said in Shogun Steel he never won vs Gingka
@wildfangedits6630 i think there are two of these probabilities. 1) Kyoya wanted to do a last battle with Gingka no matter who win (i think there would be a tie) after that he would have decided to set his life maybe.
2) The kyoya would have won and then he would have been retired as u said
3)See if Gingka would have won then i dont think that kyoya will have Give up and been retired bcz till now he have done harsh training just win against this 1 blader, it was like his dream so i end up here. Like or heart if u think im right.
Well the most chances are
1)Kyoya would have won 50%
2) Tie 30%
3)Gingka would have won 20%
If only all the bladers , especially the legendary ones came in season 4 , this season would've been the greatest but ofc it didn't happen
I think Ginka won simply cuz kyoya isn’t stronger. And I’m sure it would’ve been mentioned by Benkai for sure. But it wasn’t.
they said it in Shogun Steel Kyoya never won agianst him
I'm definitely feeling that Kyoya won, which would be something Gingka would be, like, almost proud of.
Even, Kyoya getting to call Gingka a friend after winning, instead of a rival, might be the most satisfying thing.
Absolutely!!! Just by thumbnail we can guess it..... Kyoya 🔥
My theory is that Gingka finally defeats kyoya but in that battle both beys might've destroyed completely so that may be that gingka had samurai pegasus
What do you mean gingka finally defeats kyoya " he beat him 2 Times already
I still don't understand how kenta is not the strongest out of them all I mean even before he became a LB he was still almost on par with gingka after that training with ryuga
Kyoya got robbed in Metal Masters
And in metal fusion
He got stronger in metal masters Lol
@@Blazeinferno1000 he deserved to win against Gingka in their battle
@@progskep If he did win then Ginga wouldn't have need to be the world champ.It was a plot requirement.He is the main character so he needed to win.But since the writers wanted to show that They are on the same level.They tied simple fsct
The thing is didnt Benkei or I dont know how was the maincharacter of Zero G called? Zyro? no idea anyways didnt he or Benkei mention, that Kyoya never won against Gingka?😅
Zyro, yes.
'no ?
@@doutigui bruh what should I do now, one yes, one no
It could also just be character development for kyoya like vegeta in z where he says goku is better than him (let’s not talk about super😅🤫) since throughout the metal series kyoya has been developing into a better person and it could just be that he’s reached that level where he realised that his obsession with beating gingka wasn’t getting him anywhere and was in fact hurting his relationships with everyone. I am not saying gingka won, I believe that it was most likely a tie since it was made apparent that they were equals in the end and that is probably why it was open ended so that people can accept any interpretation they want without leaving any fanbase disappointed, anyway that’s just my take on that last scene.
Aye man we see that profile pic gang we know who you want to win 🌚
Chill bro 😂😂
Could you do a video of the metal fury non-legendary Bladers in the metal masters tournament? I’m curious how some of them would perform against masters characters.
0:39 didn't beat Ryuga
Agreed especially with the symmetry of Kyoya losing the first time and winning the last time but devil's advocate
It might have been the opposite side of the nemsis OTV (Ine True Villain) subversion where the more villainous nemesis gets defeated by the other half
Where this time the half a chamce to find a different path that brings them happiness (nitmally one of them would get this chance but for reasons turn away amd back to their obsession with with the nemesis)
What if Kyoya didn't turn away
Could you do a video of bladers that mastered their beys or a world championship team of evil doers henchmen from across the seasons
I guess Kyoya and my reasoning doesn’t back it lol, but in the rocky movies rocky beat Apollo but they had a 3rd match that wasn’t never shown but in Creed, rocky said Apollo won the 3rd match. So I believe the writes might’ve done something similar with kyoya va ginka
Gingka defeated Nemesis, Kyoya won against all the other Legendary Bladers minus Gingkja. Regardless of who won, safe to say Gingka and Kyoya are the top 2 bladers on the entire planet by this point
Yeah its close between them and ryuga
@@kuru-yami9416yeah but ryuga was strongest in the last arc
I don't think it matters who won that battle. When they both faced off in that particular moment, they did so with honor and respect for the other. So no matter who won, who lost, or if it was a tie, they still had the most fun they've ever had in that battle and are content with that battle, regardless of how it end. Either way, the scenario in Zero G/Shogun Steel would still be the same. I think that's why they closed that moment off like they did, because the result really didn't matter, it was the fact they finally got that big battle they've been waiting for that mattered more. And I think Kyoya was still battling at the time of Zero G/Shogun Steel. He was to just very busy running a family company that had been inherited to him to participate in any significant tournaments. The characters of the prior three seasons were all grown and had responsibilities. This is why we also didn't see Tsubasa or Benkei battle at all either. But that doesn't mean that they retired completely because they all still love beyblading with all the hearts. It's just hard for them to battle as often as they use to because, you know...responsibilities.
It's the same sort of thing with how ended Plastic Gen in the Anime. Doesn't matter if Kai or Tyson/Takao won or tied, they both enjoyed battling each other again either way in that moment because they were battling for the fun of the sport. Back then, regardless of the result of that battle, they'd still eventually grow up, have kids who succeed them like in the manga. But that doesn't they themselves retired, because once a true blader, always a blader.
I think Beyblade is making me think more because of how much the characters grew up :'(
There was a similar battle of tyson and kai in original and according to manga kai won so probably something like that happened here
No, Gingka won the match. While congratulating Zyro on the Shogun Steel season, he says "obviously these are your times. But I didn't lose either. I will be your opponent the next time we meet. Let's just wait, zyro." and he left. ruclips.net/video/psgWepIj0I0/видео.htmlsi=x96Y4HX3hJTt9NuG
Nope.
If Kyoya won Benkei would be boasting about it.
Like naming his food place Lion's Den or something.
Just bcoz he is retired doesnt mean he won.
It just mean they dont need to fight anymore.
Like Gingka was just travelling around.
And Im a Kyoya fan.
Im a freaking leo and I know that guy wont be retiring.
Its just that they arent needed anymore and banned from entering bey competition coz it'll be just unfair
Is this topic video worthy? : what if Julian and ryuga actually were to battle. In masters ryuga said “1 day u and I will settle things” but it never actually happened do u think their battle would impact the way things progressed at all?
At that point in the series, we didn’t know just how strong Ryuga became in season 2 so it was a debate. It’s definitely interesting but Ryuga is a lot stronger. Maybe Destroyer rotating to the left would prevent L drago from absorbing power though
he kinda did settle things because he helped gingka beat julian
in what universe would kyoya win. gingka obviously won bro cmon.
Brother we all know he should have beaten gingka years ago but ginkga got that plot Armor
@@doutiguiabsolutely right
Yeah I think this is one of the most flawed theories from Wildfang Edits. There’s a myriad of other reasons why Kyoya would have given up on beating Gingka. For one, Gingka was a step above Kyoya by the end of the series, and if he continued at that level, Kyoya would likely have had to eventually admit Gingka was just stronger.
@@doutigui Not Really. Gingka is naturally more powerful and skilled than Kyoya.
He may have beaten all the legendary bladers but he would’ve never beaten ryuga
he probably would have
@@DarkSamurai-no just no
@@DarkSamurai-if he struggles to gingka u think he would have beaten ryuga ?
@@doutigui you’re acting as if gingka 9:13 is a far weaker than Ryuga. don’t forget most of the times were Gingka doesn’t win convincingly, it’s because he does not take Beyblade seriously. But when he put his mind to it and trains relentlessly. He could by far be strongest bladder.
in Shogun Steel they say Kyoya never won agianst Gingka so idk what u are talking about
I don’t think he would win maybe a draw but benkei always said he was the strongest but he admired how much kyoya would try to beat ginga
I think it’s Gingka who won cause in Shogun steel Gingka is said to have only ever been defeated by Ryuga
That statement is blatantly false though. We saw him lose to others.
@@SupaSoldierLegend oh yeah that is true
Honestly I think Gingka takes this win again kyoya did have a big goal to defeat gingka but the final battle I think gingka took another victory because I don’t see kyoya beating gingka ever I just thought maybe kyoya finally realized he can’t beat gingka just how he can’t beat ryuga and just gave up there’s no way I think gingka win
What I hoped to see is a kenta vs ginkga rematch. I felt that kenta also wanted to beat ginkga but he knows that he had no chance since he wasn’t strong enough but with his new power, he is finally strong enough to match ginkga in battle.
I think Kyoya would have finally won....cuz first two times he lost and next 3 times he tied ....once he was about to defeat Gingka but Masamune interrupted so....the few times he could have gone past ginka just by an inch or so....and full fill his all time revenge 😂❤
But how did he defeated King, Chris and Aguma?
Yeah he beat everyone but not gingka according to the shogun steel moments
He defeated aguma before the' end tho ?
@@doutigui he beat every legendary blader except for gingka and ryuga
Anyways i think beeting a god of destruction is more badass but hey even that i bet you wouod say kyoya could have done that .. then why havent he done that ? Deal with it : ginga is now the strongest bleader on the word kyoya is not.
Y'all are fanboy its ridiculous
Ryuga and gingka beat him anyway
Yea I believe kyoya finally won against ginkga here he deserves that win aswell
What if every scenario is canon?
Tie could work
Ginka wins could work
Kyoya wins could work
Yeah brother you're right brother but shit i wished kyoya was ryguas brother because kyoyas training was like ryugas and i wished he was still alive
Hey Wildfang, how did you make this anyway? With Sony Vegas?
No, I just use capcut
@@wildfangedits6630 regular version or did you have to use pro to download it?
I use the regular version
Imao y'all would die for ginga to lose and kyoya to win...y'all really has problem.
Deal with it : kyoya never won against ginga.
You are literaly inventing a battle / a win its funny 😂.
It’s just a theory. Either way, I really like Kyoya and Gingkas rivalry
Very Solid opinion and Logic.I never judged this Match
But But wait.When did he beat King,Tithi,Yuki,Dynamis in meatl series.Tell me please
Simple answer off screen
It’s heavily implied that he beat every legendary blader.
@@emmy4537 obviously he did say he will defeat all the lb before facing of against gingka
@@PokePlayFusions My reply wasn’t for you.
One problem with this speculation is you forgot about ginkas special move.....
Bullsh!t plot armor
Gingka now uses the power of friendship like Fairy Tail, and the battle of legendary Bladers vs Rago is similar to Dragon Slayers vs Acnologia
It’s cannon it obviously comes after the metal fight series and all the characters matured it’s the boruto to the metal saga it’s cannon
There's no way you think Kyoya won against the goat himself🤦🏽♂️
Kyoya=skill
Gingaka=Plot armour
@@ryuga_santrue ginka doesn't have real skills just plot armour and power of friendship and some other bullishit 😂
But what most likely happen was a draw because I can’t see Kokya beating gingka and not all of his battles were based on plot
Ryuga is GOAT, all alone o friends nothing just pure training
He literally tied with him 2 Times why wouldnt be possible for him to beat him ? And dont even get me started on that plot armor
That’s not enough evidence to support that he beat gingka
ginka is pathetic kyoya 100% stronger
@@nicorman8868 BRO he was literally the strongest bladder at the end of the series he was the only one to stand against nemesis while others broke theirs i dont think he won but a tie is more accurate hes just not that stronger then ginka
He could have js been training the entire shogun steel time, its unknown who won, apparently gingka did bc benkei said that, like gingka he would continue training bc he still needs to catch up to ryuga, your logic doesn't really make th most sense bc if he saw gingka training and catching up to ryuga he'd want to get back on his lvl
Can you make a video what if king was in showgun steel or in the next generation
Did kyoya beat ruyga I didn't remember?
He's dead
Kyoya never beat ryuga
@@weblink8478nope
Nope
He never defeated ryuga once and he did transfer power
Yoyo didn’t beat Ryuga….. ☠️
The guy never said Kyoya beat Ryuga. He said he defeated all the other legendary bladers and Ryuga and Rago aren't around anymore. Which implies that he never got to face those 2 after they disappeared
I think it was a tie. Kyoya has never beaten gingka before
I think it was a tie
Well he did beat gingka in the battle royal in episode 32 of fusion
@@Nameer401 that doesn't count because of other's interference
@Nameer401 he lost bc or battling libra nd eagle at the same tie they didn't even battle in that episode
Tbh im Not shocked
KYOYA is the Best in the Metal Series
Maybe he retired because he couldn’t beat ginkga.
I think you might be right tho he might have beat him at some point even if he dint in metal fury it’s been seven years from there and if he’s retire it’s because of that for sure because 23 it’s not even that old and gingka is still battling at that age and Kyoya character was made to be gingka iconic rival and he would never stop until he beat he’s greatest rival even ryuga was stronger than both combine and he dint care about him at all he cared about defeating gingka that was he’s ultimate goal ryuga was just a guy on he’s way to get to gingka he never saw ryuga as a bladder to beat
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