Glad to hear you are an HK ambassador. I’ve been carrying the P 30 SKS (V3) for about a year and a half. It’s probably the best overall carry gun I’ve ever owned and I’ve been carrying for more than 35 years. I love the DA/SA trigger. Thanks for sharing.
I stopped carrying my G19 for basically all of the same reasons. With the LEM, you essentially get the consistency and ease of shooting a SA trigger and the safety of a DA hammer fired pistol without the need to decock. I also carry appendix, so I too appreciate the ability to thumb over the hammer when going back to the holster. And you don’t need to put a Gadget on your HK to get that feature....
I have been running a VP for about 3 years now as well. And this is why I am even looking at these LEM guns. I am by no means a HK fan boy. But your comment is spot on. -Marky
The P30 & other HK guns with the LEM is like having a revolver type action that self cocks itself after firing, yet uncocks itself if you let up on the trigger, yet you have the benefits of semi auto capacity & fast reloading. With generally no external safety (unless you want one) the simplicity and versatility of this platform is unmatched, especially when you trick it out with a reduced reset trigger. It’s my all time favorite platform & the best self defense handgun IMO.
Carrying the P30sk LEM for over two years. Really love the 13 rounders H&K has now. The LEM trigger and AIWB are the way to go for reasons you covered. I'll bet you switch to the full size P30 LEM when you get it. Looking forward to that vid.
@@ASPextra as mentioned in my earlier comment, my new EDC is the P30L V1 9mm, im getting a custom compensator cnc machined and a +5 baseplate extension added to give it 21 total rounds. Stoked. Enjoy and congratulation on the HK Knighthood.
I love this pistol. I bought one last with the LEM trigger and it is my EDC. And I love how I can use my VP9 and VP9sk magazines with this as well. Now I just need to find a nice Kydex IWB holster for P30sk equipped with a Crimson Trace laser. I can't believe I missed this video.
That’s my exact carry piece. I like the LEM, but I learned handgun shooting on an old Smith&Wesson model 15. Shot it mostly double action. I consider the LEM a 1.5 action. Also, it’ll take your VP9 15 round mags.
I’m a Glock 19 guy... But can’t resist the newer HK’s. Fit my smallish hands very well, fast, accurate, reliability and durability off the charts. You chose the right company to shill for!
They need all the help they can get. Aside from Glock, the German gun makers seem to be hampering their own success in the U.S. Walther was poised to really become a player, but they shot themselves in the foot.
Very cool on now being an official HK ambassador. I know that for several months now I have been wanting a VP9 because of your influence, but sadly California's Pistol Roster does not include most handguns including the HK VP9 :(
I totally agree with your take on the LEM. I have a P2000SK LEM and after nearly 35 years of looking for the ideal carry piece I found it. It's pretty much perfect for me and I like the safety margin built into the trigger and I prefer a hammer fired pistol. Hk's are awesome pistols and their overall quality is pretty much as good as it get! Nice review! Thanks for sharing.
This is the perfect trigger: - Unlike striker, second strike capable - the first shot isn't too short and light - unlike DA/SA you don't have to remember to decock - unlike DAO, it's a short reset And when holstering you can hold the hammer down for that extra safety factor.
I have the P30L with the lem trigger and really want the VP9 now. HK really makes sweet firearms, congrats on your purchase and your new ambassadorship, love your work man!
I just ordered my P30SK V1 LEM this past Black Friday. I already have the P30LS V3, and I spent about $250 to have a trigger job done and it’s now a nice trigger from the stock trigger. This time, I didn’t want to spend another $250 on another trigger job and I was fortunate to find the P30SK V1 LEM for $709 with night sights. So, I jumped on it. It will be my carry gun whenever it’s not cool enough for a jacket or hoodie.
I carry the P2000 LEM I have for about 6 years. Great gun. It will eat anything and everything i have put through it with zero malfunctions. Steel, aluminum, it doesn’t care.
I purchased the VP40 yesterday when I was originally contemplating a SIG 229, S&W M&P40, and a Canik TP40SF. As soon as I held it, it felt like a dream, and the reset is what sold me on the VP series instead of the p30. I will do a 500 round burndown and try to remember to revisit this comment to update my personal opinion about this pistol. Hopefully this weekend, but it ultimately depends on when the ammo gets here.
@@ASPextra I hope I feel the same. It is a very comfortable "out of the box" firearm with a great trigger. For the first time in my life, an online ammo order arrived before the ATF cleared the BGC. 1000 rounds before a firearm in hand literally blows my mind. Is your preference striker fire? I haven't seen a video of yours that describes preference of striker vs hammer fire. I apologize for my ignorance in advance.
@@ASPextra You called it John. 200 rounds in with junk and random ammo, left handed, right handed, ammo in the dirt before loading, mags in the dirt, firearm in the dirt..... Zero malfunctions. I also run, and do jumping jacks, push ups, and burpees to keep my heart rate jacked between drills. The weapon still shoots exactly where one points the barrel. No buyers remorse here. This sidearm is worth every penny.
I looked at a P30sk the other day, and a VP9 side by side. The grip feels just about perfect. I’m just thinking I would probably carry the sk more consistently because it’s a shorter barrel and shorter grip so a lot easier to carry. I wish I could get more comfortable carrying a full size pistol. When I carry aiwb a longer barrel just pokes me and the holster leaves a hot spot on my thigh so I think a shorter barrel should do it for me. Glad you like your VP!
I agreed with the video title even before I watched it. I've been carrying a USPc LEM for close to five years now, and it's just perfect. I like it for all the reasons that people usually mentioned. Consistent, light weight (for a duty gun) pull on every shot, but still with that second strike capability, and with the ability to thumb the hammer on reholstering ( I get very uncomfortable appendix carrying a striker gun). Add in the fact that all the newer model HKS are completely ambidextrous out of the box, and for me it really is the ultimate CCW piece. Probably not worth it for most people, if you ever truly want to take your HK gun to the next level, send it to Rick Holme at Lazy Wolf Guns (he does the HK competition team). His sear and coatings package we'll put an LEM on par with any good single action ( barring a 1911 or some $3,000 competition piece)
Great demo bud. Thanks! Can get this pistol about 25% cheaper than list at my secret spot. I have a cheap/budget subcompact, but gonna grab this as a upgrade.
Glad you mentioned that you didn't like the "true" decocked DAO trigger. I tried a non LEM P30 trigger and didn't like it in DAO either. I want to try one with this LEM trigger.
Finally found one and jumped on it. I absolutely love this pistol and the LEM variant is fantastic! It shots so soft like all my other HK's. Extra bonus was Three magazines and night sights.....I forgot about that so bonus days!!!! I carry mine in the DAO first shot mode.
I have the HK 45 with the LEM and "clean sides" (no levers, safety, etc.) like a Glock . And I bought a Gen 5 Glock 21 almost at the same time. I've been a Glock shooter for 20+ years. I'm now totally converted to HK! Because of the LEM! The Glock stays in the safe. HK has better ergonomics, better build quality, the glass filled polymer isn't as "plasticky" feeling as the Glock, or those SIG P-365s and 320s, which I abhor . The HK P-30 SK with LEM is going to be my new EDC. It's worth the few hundred extra bucks!
Just ordered one (the V1 LEM version) to replace the USP Compact 9mm that I just sold. I like the smaller size of the P30SK, and the fact that I won't accidentally knock the Safety lever on, which I did often with my USP.
I love the LEM trigger group as well. I personally find that the P2000 with the LEM is the perfect size for a carry gun. It's about the same size as the SK with the 13 round mags. (Plus the P30 lineup is not on the CA list of approved pistols.)
I've a HK VP 40 and I love it . I train regularly put about 150 rounds each time I go to the range . Am getting better doing dry fire as well . had a big breakthrough in that finally found my " sweet spot " when squeezing trigger . Sweet spot in that just right range of finger movement to fire and reset . Getting more accurate results and now much more confident with rapid firing . A former border patrol agent told me he likes me when I rapid fire because in a real situation you won't necessarily have a lot of time to carefully aim and shoot and he sees many people taking their sweet time . Anyway thinking of changing out the trigger to a match grade one even though it's not bad .
Really wanted to like my P30sk but just couldn’t get use to the length of the take up. That said I love my vp9sk. It’s the most accurate and ergo striker fire gun I’ve ever owned
Looks like a nice gun! I just added a PPQ SC to my collection today, after carrying a 92FS Compact type M for 15 yrs I wanted something with higher capacity and aftermarket support, only had a chance to put 50 rds downrange but if there is a better trigger out there than the PPQ I havent found it yet. Was debating on the VP9SK but loving the PPQ SC so far!
I also bought one (first firearm). Feel it's incredibly accurate for its barrel length and serves as my edc and home defense pistol (flush for carry, the pinkie extension makes the grip nearly to that of a full sized pistol)
I just traded my HK USP .40 for a SIG P226 with an SRT and A DAK trigger (DAK installed), don't wig out on me yet! It's also a Stainless Elite, and I got the USP .40 for $500 after a military discount and a friend who worked at the store, double discounted worked out to 15% off and it was used...anyway, so got the SIG For a song. But before that I aquired, to me, the best carry piece I've ever had, the HK P2000 V2 LEM. I am REALLY loving the DAK though, it doesn't have a consistent trigger pull like the LEM does but it does have an SRT function that takes it to a very very very crisp, no-take-up, basically a heavier 1911 trigger or heavy glock trigger but totally managable. The LEM is like...well, it's like the Clarinet, you learn the Saxophone (I know from experience) you can play the Clarinet. You learn the DAK or a really, really nice revolver (seriously the pull on the DAK is like a 2.5k revolver I handled), the LEM is totally unique but it still provides that resistance that is revolver-DAK-adjacent enough. Both are surprisingly speedy and great for follow ups. Right now you can get a P2000 V1-V2 LEM for $600 or under and a SIG P226 DAK .40 for $550 tops (used) probably $450, police/military turn ins that are in fantastic condition. The P2000 you can get new for $600 or used for $500 from what I've seen at gunbroker and utahgunexchange. Good luck folks! Sorrya bout the long post.
After comparing the two, I definitely prefer the LEM to the DAK. I am going to be carrying a SIG 1911 for duty carry this fall, excellent gun, can't go wrong with it. But the P2000 V2 LEM (.40, though I generally prefer 9mm) and my P30SK Da/Sa will be regular carries for me. Wound up selling the SIG P220 Carry to help fund a few other pieces, kinda regret getting rid of it and the USP but I wound up with a really, really nice 1911 (Scorpion or Emporer scorpion, kinda hard to tell because it was decked out, there is metal checkering on both front and back, custom grips, wilson combat steel trigger, all the original parts and grip came with it for only $800. Not heavily used, standard 1911 tolerances which I prefer, etc.) Probably going for an HK 45 next, haven't decided if I'll do LEM or not (it kinda depends on my wife and my dad) my wife wound up loving the LEM, hating the DAK, which was funny because when she tried them in the shop she got SOOOOO mad at me for getting hte P2000 for my birthday present April this year. Now she carries it more than I do! She has a Smith and Wesson M&P Shield which I gotta say....how thin it is and hte Performance Center edition features...it gives my P30SK a run for its money!
you're trying it on P30 - try it on HK45. It rivals 1911's. On HK45 its not so much of a light double action as it's a long single action. All benefits, no drawbacks.
I own 2 of these 👍.. I love the P30sk V1!! Awesome carry pistol and does everything a full size P30 does, just in a smaller package.. very accurate and very robust.. its actually way better than a subcompact should be.. it carries all day awesome!! Not a burden to lug around and disappears in my TT Gunleather Mike’s Special 👍.. also a dream to carry owb in my kydex..I love my VP9SK too, but I feel that the P30sk is more robust and for some reason I have more faith in it.. this is not a slap to the VP9SK at all.. that’s an amazing pistol as well and just as reliable, I’m just more confident with hammer fired pistols.. In my opinion they are equally just as good, I just have my own personal preference as all my HK pistols are lite lem 👍... great video John and keep up the great work!!
Im buying a p30L lem tomorrow on GB, cant wait to shoot it. You have one of the best gun, crime analysis, lesson channels on youtube. keep up the videos. thx from Kauai.
I love the LEM trigger . Im not big enough to carry IWB hip. I don't wear baggy clothes, so I need to carry appendix and this is one of the few guns I trust not to shoot my twig and berries off. Yes I train on holster draws but my boys are too important to even take the risk. I want a nice double action first shot then right into single action.
Excellent idea. I know the P320 is striker fired... but I wish they had a way to increase the trigger pull... especially in a way that a DA/SA would work, or even like this. One person sells a heavy P320 trigger spring... but I'm not sure if it's any good or not (and it would increase every trigger pull). I like the Glocks, because the have the 8lb connector.... and for people that want an even heavier trigger they can get the NY trigger springs (which are kind of excessive).
Love it. Like you said, the gun does have a significant amount of recoil and is quite snappy. Most gun channels don't talk about it. You should do more gun reviews. 👍👍
PPS: What's funny is right now I probably shoot the DAK a bit better than the LEM, my wife out-shoots me on DA on DA/SA pistols but can't handle the DAK that well for some reason, weird...but she shoots the lem really , really well. Comfortable with her carrying it. She generally open-carries where we live, not that the P2000 isnt' easily concealable.
have you ever had to pull your firearm in self defense? I was in court to testify against a man who tried to kill me but only got 'assault with a deadly weapon' (his car (pickup) chasing and crashing into mine (Escort) with great force). I believe he got 5 years (not enough). I had an Airlight unloaded and I was never able to prepare it for use that night, but if I had been prepared properly, he would probably have "taken the room temperature challenge". Also that night, I failed in my assessment of the situation, as I had time to ready but didn't "cover my ASP". thanks to these excellently prepared and presented uploads, I'm a different (improved) person.
Great review of the HK P30SK with LEM trigger. Has the P30 SK LEM become your everyday carry? Was wondering about an update and your thought on the P30SK with LEM. Thanks for the great work you do on your channel.
Now we need HK to finally put out an optics ready pistol.I have two rmr's just waiting to go on my p30 or vp9.I know APO and other companies to milling but it would be nice for HK to have their own optics ready platform.I will keep dreaming
Active Self Protection Extra Glock, Sig, Springfield ,FNH and S&W all have optic platforms.But I prefer my VP9 and new P30 sk.I just hope one day Heckler & Koch see's a market for it John.My favorite shooting pistol
I do like the LEM trigger a lot however its not the best semi auto trigger out there. I like the triggers on the 1911, Kahrs, and also another 1911 that not a lot of people know about called the LDA.
Send it to greyguns, then it will be good haha. I have a video on it and the LEM. It's not that there are two springs in the gun (every gun has a trigger spring and hammer spring) it's that the hammer is in two pieces. It's designed for the pretravel to be taken up, then break the shot. The long takeup is just in lieu of a trigger bar safety. 👍
Active Self Protection Extra you should check out Rick Holm at Lazy Wolf guns. I know he does work for a number of guys on the HK shooting team, and I've seen some of the magic that he works with the LEM, and it's a whole other world. I know there's a couple good videos out there on a stuff.
I just sold my Glock 19 to help purchase my hk p30sk.I got night sights and Double/single with decocker.I will have to see if it was the LEM trigger as I didn't check.Cant wait to pick it up and go shooting.Good review
There is a variant (V0) of the LEM that has a decocker, making it a LEM/DA. I’ve never seen one commercially available in the US though so practically, any P30 with a decocker will be DA/SA (V3). I have heard that you can convert a V3 to a V0....
Ken Sakata Thanks for the input.I checked my receipt and see the variant I order is V3 DA/SA night sights and 3 magazines.One of the magazines has the pinky extension.I don’t mind having an 11lb DA and a 5-6lb SA.Cant wait to pick it up this Tuesday as MD makes you wait 7 days
I really appreciate your review of this gun, especially since your a lefty, as am I. I was just looking at this very gun today and really liked it. This will be my first semi auto and have been researching a lot lately. The sales associate that worked with me today was giving me some pointers on how to hold it and pull up to target. The way he showed me to hold it is exactly the way you were holding it, left thumb pointing kinda up on right side of gun and right thumb pointing strait down the barrel. I have not actually shot one yet but one thing additional he suggested was taking my right index finger, and instead of wrapping it under the trigger guard, extend it out and around the front edge of the trigger guard. I wonder if this might help keep the end of the gun down when shooting. I plan to try both ways once I get one, and see if there is a difference. I'd be curious what you thoughts are on that theory. Thanks again for a great demo and review.
Active Self Protection Extra What holster would you recommend for the p30 for an EDC IWB ? I’m pretty thin and tall and don’t want to be buying a bunch only to find out they suck.
@@krassimirpetrov7131 The comp-tac minotaur holsters MTAC feels great, works great, and looks great. Their p30 version fits both the p30 and the p30sk perfectly, so if you ever downsize to the sk (which I did because it is much easier to conceal) you wont have to buy a new holster. Theis holsters makes a holster that's very similar to the MTAC that works for a P30 or P30sk with a viridian c5 mounted on the rail. Both brands have adjustable retention.
I used to bemoan my small hands. Until I started shooting. Lucky I don't have those canned-ham-sized bear paws and I fit a G26 quite comfortably . Kidding aside, great vid. Still considering converting my V3 P30 to a LEM.
Glad to hear you are an HK ambassador. I’ve been carrying the P 30 SKS (V3) for about a year and a half. It’s probably the best overall carry gun I’ve ever owned and I’ve been carrying for more than 35 years. I love the DA/SA trigger. Thanks for sharing.
I stopped carrying my G19 for basically all of the same reasons. With the LEM, you essentially get the consistency and ease of shooting a SA trigger and the safety of a DA hammer fired pistol without the need to decock. I also carry appendix, so I too appreciate the ability to thumb over the hammer when going back to the holster. And you don’t need to put a Gadget on your HK to get that feature....
I don't mind the SCD and have one on my G43. But I agree!
I have been running a VP for about 3 years now as well. And this is why I am even looking at these LEM guns. I am by no means a HK fan boy. But your comment is spot on.
-Marky
I need a P30SK for the reasons you describe, but can’t make up my mind if I want the Light LEM, or V3s.
@@formerpilgrim4934 what's the difference?
You can always just get the TAO development striker control device and that would allow you to thumb it while bolstering.
HK = Hella Klout. I carry a p2ksk v2 LEM and my gf carries the same p30sk you have. Great guns.
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I can see that your RUclips comments are just as normie cringe as your RUclips channel
Thank you for the holstering tip about holding my thumb over the hammer. I own a hk p30 sk v3. Definitely will do for added safety.
Glad to help.
I am happy to report a very positive experience with customer service by phone. Thanks HK!
I got a P30SK in October as my concealed weapon. Loved it, so I picked up a P30L a couple weeks ago to carry at work. Great guns.
The P30 & other HK guns with the LEM is like having a revolver type action that self cocks itself after firing, yet uncocks itself if you let up on the trigger, yet you have the benefits of semi auto capacity & fast reloading. With generally no external safety (unless you want one) the simplicity and versatility of this platform is unmatched, especially when you trick it out with a reduced reset trigger. It’s my all time favorite platform & the best self defense handgun IMO.
Carrying the P30sk LEM for over two years. Really love the 13 rounders H&K has now. The LEM trigger and AIWB are the way to go for reasons you covered. I'll bet you switch to the full size P30 LEM when you get it. Looking forward to that vid.
Yeah especially because it's having a RMR mounted. :) Once I get the full size P30 done, it will become my carry gun most likely.
@@ASPextra as mentioned in my earlier comment, my new EDC is the P30L V1 9mm, im getting a custom compensator cnc machined and a +5 baseplate extension added to give it 21 total rounds. Stoked. Enjoy and congratulation on the HK Knighthood.
Bought the same gun about a year ago. Love the LEM trigger. It's my primary carry gun.
I love this pistol. I bought one last with the LEM trigger and it is my EDC. And I love how I can use my VP9 and VP9sk magazines with this as well. Now I just need to find a nice Kydex IWB holster for P30sk equipped with a Crimson Trace laser. I can't believe I missed this video.
That’s my exact carry piece. I like the LEM, but I learned handgun shooting on an old Smith&Wesson model 15. Shot it mostly double action. I consider the LEM a 1.5 action. Also, it’ll take your VP9 15 round mags.
I’m a Glock 19 guy... But can’t resist the newer HK’s. Fit my smallish hands very well, fast, accurate, reliability and durability off the charts.
You chose the right company to shill for!
Haha!
Congrats on the HK "embassorship"!!
Thanks!
Active Self Protection Extra so is there 2 different versions of the LEM trigger? If so I want to make sure I get the better of the 2.
They need all the help they can get. Aside from Glock, the German gun makers seem to be hampering their own success in the U.S. Walther was poised to really become a player, but they shot themselves in the foot.
Glock is Austrian, that's why.
@@ASPextra g26 gen 4 vs this p30sk lem? I've had a g26 for 10 years. How's reliability and shoot ability comparison? Thx
Congrats!! HK ambassador....WOW!!!!! You are a GREAT choice!
I'm an HK fan and have a P30SK. I know you'll love the SK
So far, so awesome! :)
I carry the P30L with the same trigger. Definitely one of my favorite firearms. The trigger makes a good conversation piece with friends too. lol
The LEM version of the P30Sk is by far my favorite pistol..
Very cool on now being an official HK ambassador. I know that for several months now I have been wanting a VP9 because of your influence, but sadly California's Pistol Roster does not include most handguns including the HK VP9 :(
I totally agree with your take on the LEM. I have a P2000SK LEM and after nearly 35 years of looking for the ideal carry piece I found it. It's pretty much perfect for me and I like the safety margin built into the trigger and I prefer a hammer fired pistol. Hk's are awesome pistols and their overall quality is pretty much as good as it get! Nice review! Thanks for sharing.
This is the perfect trigger:
- Unlike striker, second strike capable
- the first shot isn't too short and light
- unlike DA/SA you don't have to remember to decock
- unlike DAO, it's a short reset
And when holstering you can hold the hammer down for that extra safety factor.
Yep.
Picking up a P30SK, once I pay it off......can’t wait for it! Getting the DA/SA one though, will be my first HK. Sweet pistolas!
I have the P30L with the lem trigger and really want the VP9 now. HK really makes sweet firearms, congrats on your purchase and your new ambassadorship, love your work man!
Thanks!
Good breakdown of the LEM system. Best I've seen so far.
Glad it was helpful!
I just ordered my P30SK V1 LEM this past Black Friday. I already have the P30LS V3, and I spent about $250 to have a trigger job done and it’s now a nice trigger from the stock trigger. This time, I didn’t want to spend another $250 on another trigger job and I was fortunate to find the P30SK V1 LEM for $709 with night sights. So, I jumped on it. It will be my carry gun whenever it’s not cool enough for a jacket or hoodie.
Good choice. If I may, you will be amazed what a trigger job from Lazy Wolf or Grayguns will do for a V1 LEM
I carry the P2000 LEM
I have for about 6 years.
Great gun. It will eat anything and everything i have put through it with zero malfunctions. Steel, aluminum, it doesn’t care.
I purchased the VP40 yesterday when I was originally contemplating a SIG 229, S&W M&P40, and a Canik TP40SF. As soon as I held it, it felt like a dream, and the reset is what sold me on the VP series instead of the p30. I will do a 500 round burndown and try to remember to revisit this comment to update my personal opinion about this pistol. Hopefully this weekend, but it ultimately depends on when the ammo gets here.
It's a fine pistol and I could carry a VP9 my whole life and be perfectly happy. :)
@@ASPextra I hope I feel the same. It is a very comfortable "out of the box" firearm with a great trigger.
For the first time in my life, an online ammo order arrived before the ATF cleared the BGC.
1000 rounds before a firearm in hand literally blows my mind.
Is your preference striker fire? I haven't seen a video of yours that describes preference of striker vs hammer fire. I apologize for my ignorance in advance.
@@ASPextra You called it John. 200 rounds in with junk and random ammo, left handed, right handed, ammo in the dirt before loading, mags in the dirt, firearm in the dirt..... Zero malfunctions.
I also run, and do jumping jacks, push ups, and burpees to keep my heart rate jacked between drills. The weapon still shoots exactly where one points the barrel.
No buyers remorse here. This sidearm is worth every penny.
I looked at a P30sk the other day, and a VP9 side by side. The grip feels just about perfect. I’m just thinking I would probably carry the sk more consistently because it’s a shorter barrel and shorter grip so a lot easier to carry. I wish I could get more comfortable carrying a full size pistol. When I carry aiwb a longer barrel just pokes me and the holster leaves a hot spot on my thigh so I think a shorter barrel should do it for me. Glad you like your VP!
Damn, I was literally looking for a P30 LEM video on your channel yesterday. Awesome to see this today.
Nice man, P30sk with the lem trigger and an rmr is my dream carry gun!
I think a RMR on this gun might be close to perfect.
Been training hard with my new HK p30L lem extremely accurate and a work of art handles my +p and +p+ 147 loads like a boss
I agreed with the video title even before I watched it. I've been carrying a USPc LEM for close to five years now, and it's just perfect. I like it for all the reasons that people usually mentioned. Consistent, light weight (for a duty gun) pull on every shot, but still with that second strike capability, and with the ability to thumb the hammer on reholstering ( I get very uncomfortable appendix carrying a striker gun). Add in the fact that all the newer model HKS are completely ambidextrous out of the box, and for me it really is the ultimate CCW piece.
Probably not worth it for most people, if you ever truly want to take your HK gun to the next level, send it to Rick Holme at Lazy Wolf Guns (he does the HK competition team). His sear and coatings package we'll put an LEM on par with any good single action ( barring a 1911 or some $3,000 competition piece)
U never know what can happin in a fire fight or a contact. Great video
With a great deal of DA/SA experience, the v3 trigger with a Gray Guns short reset control latch is where it's at.
Great demo bud. Thanks! Can get this pistol about 25% cheaper than list at my secret spot. I have a cheap/budget subcompact, but gonna grab this as a upgrade.
Glad you mentioned that you didn't like the "true" decocked DAO trigger. I tried a non LEM P30 trigger and didn't like it in DAO either. I want to try one with this LEM trigger.
fantastic pistol, love mine. I have 12 Hk's, they are amazing pistols.
Jonathan Frost 12??? Lucky you mate!
lol, I used to have money and no guns. Now I have guns and no money:)
But do you have a USP???
A full size, compact, and an expert! Love the usp's!
Awesome, you have quite the collection it sounds like! Love me some usp
Red & Black forever.
Congratulations.
Meanwhile 2023, i love the VP9SK with the 15 rd extended Hk magazines for my large hands. Pinky loves it too.
I liked this channel before, but now that I know you appreciate the finer things in life (HK) I love it even more :)
Finally found one and jumped on it. I absolutely love this pistol and the LEM variant is fantastic! It shots so soft like all my other HK's. Extra bonus was Three magazines and night sights.....I forgot about that so bonus days!!!! I carry mine in the DAO first shot mode.
Got the LE model!!
I have the HK 45 with the LEM and "clean sides" (no levers, safety, etc.) like a Glock . And I bought a Gen 5 Glock 21 almost at the same time. I've been a Glock shooter for 20+ years. I'm now totally converted to HK! Because of the LEM! The Glock stays in the safe. HK has better ergonomics, better build quality, the glass filled polymer isn't as "plasticky" feeling as the Glock, or those SIG P-365s and 320s, which I abhor . The HK P-30 SK with LEM is going to be my new EDC. It's worth the few hundred extra bucks!
I had a a USP with the LEM trigger and hated it. I later bought a P-30 with the double/single trigger and loved it. My favorite HK though is my P7M8.
Lem is great with a little training. My wife is very accurate with it
Just got a P2000 with the LEM. Absolutely love this trigger!
Just ordered one (the V1 LEM version) to replace the USP Compact 9mm that I just sold. I like the smaller size of the P30SK, and the fact that I won't accidentally knock the Safety lever on, which I did often with my USP.
I have thousands of rounds through the p2000 LEM...I miss that gun
Mike Cude biggest sleeper in the Hk lineup for concealed carry
Thanks to your vid i've tried LEM trigger on my USP9. I don't think i can ever use anything else now :D
I love the LEM trigger group as well. I personally find that the P2000 with the LEM is the perfect size for a carry gun. It's about the same size as the SK with the 13 round mags. (Plus the P30 lineup is not on the CA list of approved pistols.)
Yeah in CA, it's P2000!
I love love love the LEM trigger on my P2000SK
I've a HK VP 40 and I love it . I train regularly put about 150 rounds each time I go to the range . Am getting better doing dry fire as well . had a big breakthrough in that finally found my " sweet spot " when squeezing trigger . Sweet spot in that just right range of finger movement to fire and reset . Getting more accurate results and now much more confident with rapid firing . A former border patrol agent told me he likes me when I rapid fire because in a real situation you won't necessarily have a lot of time to carefully aim and shoot and he sees many people taking their sweet time . Anyway thinking of changing out the trigger to a match grade one even though it's not bad .
Really wanted to like my P30sk but just couldn’t get use to the length of the take up. That said I love my vp9sk. It’s the most accurate and ergo striker fire gun I’ve ever owned
Good gun.
Thank you for all ur help and support 🙏, saved my money an bought 2, the vp9 and 416, 💯percent saving for more. Want them all😂
Glad I could help
I had one of these, LEM trigger version. I loved it. I need to get one again. for CCW it's a great option
I love it!
Looks like a nice gun! I just added a PPQ SC to my collection today, after carrying a 92FS Compact type M for 15 yrs I wanted something with higher capacity and aftermarket support, only had a chance to put 50 rds downrange but if there is a better trigger out there than the PPQ I havent found it yet. Was debating on the VP9SK but loving the PPQ SC so far!
PPQ has a nice trigger for sure.
Title should be " LEM Lite" explained. Thanks, but we dont hear or see most of what your demonstrating, but i get the point. 💥🎯
LEM.vs LEM Lite
I bought the VP9 Sk.
My XO owns one and loves it.
I also bought one (first firearm). Feel it's incredibly accurate for its barrel length and serves as my edc and home defense pistol (flush for carry, the pinkie extension makes the grip nearly to that of a full sized pistol)
Don't drop it in dirt or water.
Great video as always. I'm a fan of DA/SA pistols. That said, the trigger looks amazing. Haven't seen anything like it.
Walther's PPX and Creed has this trigger. fun action!
And a matching shirt!
Fancy!!
That's it, I'm getting the full size.
I bought a hk p30 v1 lite l.e.m off of gunbroker brand new for $529. Helluva deal i couldn't pass up. I've had it over a year and love it.
I love my V3! Coming on 3 years now, still my absolute favorite.
I just traded my HK USP .40 for a SIG P226 with an SRT and A DAK trigger (DAK installed), don't wig out on me yet! It's also a Stainless Elite, and I got the USP .40 for $500 after a military discount and a friend who worked at the store, double discounted worked out to 15% off and it was used...anyway, so got the SIG For a song. But before that I aquired, to me, the best carry piece I've ever had, the HK P2000 V2 LEM. I am REALLY loving the DAK though, it doesn't have a consistent trigger pull like the LEM does but it does have an SRT function that takes it to a very very very crisp, no-take-up, basically a heavier 1911 trigger or heavy glock trigger but totally managable.
The LEM is like...well, it's like the Clarinet, you learn the Saxophone (I know from experience) you can play the Clarinet. You learn the DAK or a really, really nice revolver (seriously the pull on the DAK is like a 2.5k revolver I handled), the LEM is totally unique but it still provides that resistance that is revolver-DAK-adjacent enough.
Both are surprisingly speedy and great for follow ups. Right now you can get a P2000 V1-V2 LEM for $600 or under and a SIG P226 DAK .40 for $550 tops (used) probably $450, police/military turn ins that are in fantastic condition. The P2000 you can get new for $600 or used for $500 from what I've seen at gunbroker and utahgunexchange.
Good luck folks! Sorrya bout the long post.
Yeah, I prefer the LEM to the DAK, but to each their own. :) Glad you got yours for a song!
After comparing the two, I definitely prefer the LEM to the DAK. I am going to be carrying a SIG 1911 for duty carry this fall, excellent gun, can't go wrong with it. But the P2000 V2 LEM (.40, though I generally prefer 9mm) and my P30SK Da/Sa will be regular carries for me. Wound up selling the SIG P220 Carry to help fund a few other pieces, kinda regret getting rid of it and the USP but I wound up with a really, really nice 1911 (Scorpion or Emporer scorpion, kinda hard to tell because it was decked out, there is metal checkering on both front and back, custom grips, wilson combat steel trigger, all the original parts and grip came with it for only $800. Not heavily used, standard 1911 tolerances which I prefer, etc.)
Probably going for an HK 45 next, haven't decided if I'll do LEM or not (it kinda depends on my wife and my dad) my wife wound up loving the LEM, hating the DAK, which was funny because when she tried them in the shop she got SOOOOO mad at me for getting hte P2000 for my birthday present April this year. Now she carries it more than I do! She has a Smith and Wesson M&P Shield which I gotta say....how thin it is and hte Performance Center edition features...it gives my P30SK a run for its money!
What a great add
Great review but I think the vp9sk is slightly better congrats on the HK sponsorship
you're trying it on P30 - try it on HK45. It rivals 1911's. On HK45 its not so much of a light double action as it's a long single action. All benefits, no drawbacks.
I own 2 of these 👍.. I love the P30sk V1!! Awesome carry pistol and does everything a full size P30 does, just in a smaller package.. very accurate and very robust.. its actually way better than a subcompact should be.. it carries all day awesome!! Not a burden to lug around and disappears in my TT Gunleather Mike’s Special 👍.. also a dream to carry owb in my kydex..I love my VP9SK too, but I feel that the P30sk is more robust and for some reason I have more faith in it.. this is not a slap to the VP9SK at all.. that’s an amazing pistol as well and just as reliable, I’m just more confident with hammer fired pistols.. In my opinion they are equally just as good, I just have my own personal preference as all my HK pistols are lite lem 👍... great video John and keep up the great work!!
Im buying a p30L lem tomorrow on GB, cant wait to shoot it. You have one of the best gun, crime analysis, lesson channels on youtube. keep up the videos. thx from Kauai.
Thanks! And enjoy that LEM!
I usually carry a DA/SA hammer sidearm, but now I'm carrying the P30SK LEM, still trying to get used to the trigger.
I love the LEM trigger . Im not big enough to carry IWB hip. I don't wear baggy clothes, so I need to carry appendix and this is one of the few guns I trust not to shoot my twig and berries off. Yes I train on holster draws but my boys are too important to even take the risk. I want a nice double action first shot then right into single action.
LEM doesn't have a different shot DA or SA. It's all the same trigger pull.
HK rules!
Any update on your views on the HK LEM full-size you said wanted to get to compare with the 30SK? 🤔
Would love a review of the P2000SK
I am getting one today! It is used but in California I don't have much choice.
Hk all day baby
Sweet. Looks like a great concept !
Excellent idea. I know the P320 is striker fired... but I wish they had a way to increase the trigger pull... especially in a way that a DA/SA would work, or even like this. One person sells a heavy P320 trigger spring... but I'm not sure if it's any good or not (and it would increase every trigger pull). I like the Glocks, because the have the 8lb connector.... and for people that want an even heavier trigger they can get the NY trigger springs (which are kind of excessive).
I saw the great video and subscribed I’m a life long HK owner and fan.
Welcome aboard!
I have one of these, and I have three vp9 15-round magazines to go with it and my pinky rest on that magazine just fine
They now have a VP9sk magazine that holds 15, and a 13 rounder as well. They're awesome.
LEM is so sick. I think the only people that think it’s dumb just don’t understand what it is and how it operates. Hope this vid helps those folks
I don't really care for it. Just bought one with the standard trigger because I wanted something to carry.....and this mimics my baby
Love it. Like you said, the gun does have a significant amount of recoil and is quite snappy. Most gun channels don't talk about it. You should do more gun reviews. 👍👍
.40 or both?
10:34
You: Can you see the trigger there?
Me: Nope.
PPS: What's funny is right now I probably shoot the DAK a bit better than the LEM, my wife out-shoots me on DA on DA/SA pistols but can't handle the DAK that well for some reason, weird...but she shoots the lem really , really well. Comfortable with her carrying it. She generally open-carries where we live, not that the P2000 isnt' easily concealable.
have you ever had to pull your firearm in self defense? I was in court to testify against a man who tried to kill me but only got 'assault with a deadly weapon' (his car (pickup) chasing and crashing into mine (Escort) with great force). I believe he got 5 years (not enough). I had an Airlight unloaded and I was never able to prepare it for use that night, but if I had been prepared properly, he would probably have "taken the room temperature challenge". Also that night, I failed in my assessment of the situation, as I had time to ready but didn't "cover my ASP". thanks to these excellently prepared and presented uploads, I'm a different (improved) person.
Glad to help you, Mike! Never had to shoot someone, but have had gun in hand once and hand on gun once.
It would be good if jhon explain terms like “keyholing” when he throws those terms just like that, for us more novice shooters...
You're not wrong, but Google is a thing.
Great review of the HK P30SK with LEM trigger. Has the P30 SK LEM become your everyday carry? Was wondering about an update and your thought on the P30SK with LEM. Thanks for the great work you do on your channel.
I carry a full size P30LEM
Now we need HK to finally put out an optics ready pistol.I have two rmr's just waiting to go on my p30 or vp9.I know APO and other companies to milling but it would be nice for HK to have their own optics ready platform.I will keep dreaming
As a guy who has a P30 being milled for an optic right now, I am in full agreement. :)
Active Self Protection Extra Glock, Sig, Springfield ,FNH and S&W all have optic platforms.But I prefer my VP9 and new P30 sk.I just hope one day Heckler & Koch see's a market for it John.My favorite shooting pistol
I do like the LEM trigger a lot however its not the best semi auto trigger out there. I like the triggers on the 1911, Kahrs, and also another 1911 that not a lot of people know about called the LDA.
Are you sure the ammo is keyholeing? It might just be the odd tip cutting funny
Send it to greyguns, then it will be good haha. I have a video on it and the LEM.
It's not that there are two springs in the gun (every gun has a trigger spring and hammer spring) it's that the hammer is in two pieces.
It's designed for the pretravel to be taken up, then break the shot. The long takeup is just in lieu of a trigger bar safety. 👍
Bruce and I are talking about it!!
Active Self Protection Extra you should check out Rick Holm at Lazy Wolf guns. I know he does work for a number of guys on the HK shooting team, and I've seen some of the magic that he works with the LEM, and it's a whole other world. I know there's a couple good videos out there on a stuff.
Guess HK no longer thinks you "Suck and Hate" you :) HK is all I buy in pistol. Just got the VP9 thanks to you John. Love it. Still love my USPs too.
I am meh and they tolerate me!
LEM triggers are ok for me had on my last 2000sk it does take awhile to get used to it.
@ActiveSelfProtectionExtra: Its been 3 years now since you made this video. Just curious, what is your daily EDC gun now?
HK P30 LEM full size, highly customized.
I just sold my Glock 19 to help purchase my hk p30sk.I got night sights and Double/single with decocker.I will have to see if it was the LEM trigger as I didn't check.Cant wait to pick it up and go shooting.Good review
If it has a decocker, then it's not LEM. :)
There is a variant (V0) of the LEM that has a decocker, making it a LEM/DA. I’ve never seen one commercially available in the US though so practically, any P30 with a decocker will be DA/SA (V3). I have heard that you can convert a V3 to a V0....
Ken Sakata
Thanks for the input.I checked my receipt and see the variant I order is V3 DA/SA night sights and 3 magazines.One of the magazines has the pinky extension.I don’t mind having an 11lb DA and a 5-6lb SA.Cant wait to pick it up this Tuesday as MD makes you wait 7 days
Reminds me of the Sig DAK trigger I had on a 226 a while back, but with a lighter pull weight, maybe.
Similar but the LEM is a lot better feeling.
I really appreciate your review of this gun, especially since your a lefty, as am I. I was just looking at this very gun today and really liked it. This will be my first semi auto and have been researching a lot lately. The sales associate that worked with me today was giving me some pointers on how to hold it and pull up to target. The way he showed me to hold it is exactly the way you were holding it, left thumb pointing kinda up on right side of gun and right thumb pointing strait down the barrel. I have not actually shot one yet but one thing additional he suggested was taking my right index finger, and instead of wrapping it under the trigger guard, extend it out and around the front edge of the trigger guard. I wonder if this might help keep the end of the gun down when shooting. I plan to try both ways once I get one, and see if there is a difference. I'd be curious what you thoughts are on that theory. Thanks again for a great demo and review.
Congratulations deserve it...you sound like Ryan Renolds
Why are you shooting it wrong handed?
I love all my HKs ..p30sk and USP9
Great guns. :)
Active Self Protection Extra What holster would you recommend for the p30 for an EDC IWB ? I’m pretty thin and tall and don’t want to be buying a bunch only to find out they suck.
@@krassimirpetrov7131 The comp-tac minotaur holsters MTAC feels great, works great, and looks great. Their p30 version fits both the p30 and the p30sk perfectly, so if you ever downsize to the sk (which I did because it is much easier to conceal) you wont have to buy a new holster. Theis holsters makes a holster that's very similar to the MTAC that works for a P30 or P30sk with a viridian c5 mounted on the rail. Both brands have adjustable retention.
this SERIOUSLY makes me want a p30
I love mine.
My hands are too big for the flush mount. I’ll order an additional mag with pinky extended mag.
I used to bemoan my small hands. Until I started shooting. Lucky I don't have those canned-ham-sized bear paws and I fit a G26 quite comfortably . Kidding aside, great vid. Still considering converting my V3 P30 to a LEM.
The answer is YES.
Amen!