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@@Whiskey.Tango.Actual Surpassingly nothing, but I really should soon. I think I've been waiting for the next best gun to purchase so I've been waffling,.
That was the best review I've seen on YT. I also own a P30 DA/SA and a VP9. Booth have their + and -. Your sense of humor is great and you honesty. Thank you!
Thank you for the very generous words! And I very much appreciate you watching. The VP9 is also an outstanding pistol -- a true modern classic. You've got great taste!
This is by far the BEST P30 review I've seen to date. The "part dimension" line got me to subscribe. But seriously, thanks for discussing the trigger and going into detail as the decision HK made into it being "terrible" by modern standards. It's the reason why this is my primary training pistol. If you can master this trigger then anything else is a cake walk.
You're awesome, and I can tell we're going to be friends. This pistol is often overlooked because of the trigger, and it's not fair to the gun. The trigger was entirely intentional, and is a feature rather than a problem. I joke about it, but the trigger works totally fine, and is perfect for the pistol's intended use. Like yourself, this is one of the guns that I shoot the most, along with my 92A1 and a few Glocks. It just works! Thanks for the kind words, and for taking the time to share your thoughts.
@@thegunpenguin I completely understand as I own the P30 and P30L. My P30sk has the LEM trigger and I think that's the best trigger on the market PERIOD! So I have experience with the alpha and the omega of HK triggers. LOL!
@@ApharmdBattler The LEM trigger is great, and tragically misunderstood. Folks should give it a try -- none of the RUclips videos adequately convey how useful it is. The reviews tend to fixate on the feel; outside of the shorter reset, it's still an HK trigger, but the carry benefits would seem be the selling point. Somebody needs to make the definitive LEM video.
Great review. I have tried explaining to many others that the trigger action is totally intentional and is not designed for target shooting. This is a combat pistol, not a plinking pistol. Once you master it, it all makes sense.
A shit trigger is a shit trigger. A good trigger is a good trigger. Your analogy is an excuse, not a reason. Are you under some misguided assumption that a combative application has no necessity for a trigger lending toward accuracy?
Seems like most reviewers have the corvette on a dry pavement closed track expectation for every firearm they review… when the P30 is a jeep rubicon crawling over rocks… appreciate your more balanced approach
Finally bought one based on your review and a few other gun youtubers. Ended up with a V1 LEM and I love it. Only 50 rounds through it on the day I bought it, but I will be putting 300+ through it next week. Thanks Gunpenguin!
I have the p2000 and love it for a CCW. What made it a great gun, or better I should say, was swapping from da/sa to 4.1 lem (less take up) and added gg short reset, less pre travel and 1/3 less reset. Added 10 lb hammer spring for lower trigger pull weight. Slim slide releases because I kept riding the slide release before when shooting. Mounted a 508t red dot from a milling job at wright armory.
LMAO at the lost parts dimension. I immediately thought of the AR15 pin detents and sure enough, you had them in there! Love the channel and just subbed.
Excellent analysis of trigger and background! My reason for buying HK45 and HKp30SK in 9mm is because I purchased models with “external safety” because carry as same manual of arms of “cocked and locked” as my 191145ACP. Therefore, Same muscle memory on all my handguns. Having had to use a firearm several years ago in a defensive use, that “adrenaline dump” makes you appreciate “muscle memory” & long trigger pull(which really doesn’t notice, is irrelevant when you loose fine dexterity). Plus “external Safety” was a BIG issue vs no external safety, when used in a Defensive Use(vs LEO offensive). when one has their deposition taken in a civil suit that lasted 2 days, you better KNOW your firearm and rationale for every component. You completely provided sound reasoning:analysis (except for option of external safety)that every viewer should memorize to heart, if on that rare occasion they have to explain their H&K functionality under oath in a Deposition. Buy two of each I say. Job well done 👍
Thank you both for your kind words, and for taking the time to share your valuable experience with all of us. Like you, I've committed to this platform in multiple calibers, and I'm very glad I did. At present, I'm working on a more complete re-review of the HK45 and 45C to accompany this video.
thegunpenguin well I gotta say it was so truthful and entertaining I didn’t even notice the time! I’m a big H&K fan and I’m looking for reasons to have a P30v1 and this did it...H&K should buy it and use it as a 30 min infomercial...LOL!
@@ronincato275 Truly, thank you, I really appreciate it. Though the P30 is far from perfect, it's one of the best guns on the market today. When you get yours, let me know what you think of it!
For someone who loves the P30, I think you'd like the VP9 as well. As for the P30 trigger, luckily there are aftermarket options available for them these days. LEM is definitely the way to go as far as factory configurations go.
I very much like the VP9! It's not my favorite striker-fired gun, but I certainly don't dislike them, and I've very much enjoyed them at the range. I have some concerns about the aftermarket trigger solutions, but I certainly see why folks go that route. If this wasn't one of my primary defensive pistols, I'd definitely have something like the Gray Guns SRT installed in mine. Also, I totally agree with you, the LEM is an excellent option, for most people. I'm not personally willing to give up the initially DA pull, though. But, I certainly see why someone would. In my experience the LEM triggers aren't dramatically better than the standard pull, but having that somewhat shorter reset is certainly nice. Thanks for the input, and I appreciate you watching!
I just bought one of these on your praise in your videos. I could not agree with your assessment more. This is one fine hammer fired 9. I really like it. It may just become one of my favorites
I love the paddle and the sights. I have a set of tritium in my closet, been there for 3 or 4 years. The stock sights are brighter, easier on the eyes, glow on my night stand when I can't see anything I can still put my hand on the grip. Good enough for me. P30sk, my 11 round revolver.
Great review. One of the best out there. After having a Sig P-229r with SRT kit, I just couldn't ignore how bad the trigger on the P30 is and just couldn't make convincing excuses to sweet-talk myself over the edge. Not just the pull, but as mentioned, the worrisome trigger reset point and the subsequent re-pull to re-shoot. Like others here, I've found bliss with the LEM trigger. I do jones to have that cool de-cocker in my stash from time to time tho..
I swapped out my Hammer spring for the next lightest one on HK parts, believe 11 lbs. Also got the gray guns trigger kit. It is smooth, short reset, and a little bit lighter
I got to check out a P30L in the store the other day and WOW is that grip nice! Also, the trigger was nowhere near as bad as I thought it would be though the reset is long (I guess a GG SRT would help that). I'm definitely getting one of these when my budget allows.
Well done. Not a fan of longer vids, but this was interesting enough to keep me watching. Just picked up the same gun, hope to pop it's cherry this weekend and if it's as good as I hear, hope to pick up an "L" in the future.
Great video GP actually one of your best! I have two H&K pistols a USP 45 Variant 1 and a H&K 45c. I have a Love Hate relationship with both of them but i will never get rid of either one of them! The best description of the H&K USP I ever herd was "It's The Best $600 Pistol A $1000.00 Will Get You"..... LOL!!!!
Thank you for the kind words, and I totally agree -- if there was ever an overpriced gun, we've found it. Don't judge me, but I very much want the USP Expert. PSA has one that I ogle periodically, and there's something about it that I really like. It doesn't hurt that the trigger is much improved.
My p30 is my edc absolutely love it. After 2500 rounds still not one failure and even with standard sights easy to put nice grouped shots down range. Been my edc for three years now.
I carried a P-226 on duty since the 80’s.I was considering the p-30 , single/ double trigger, because I always loved the P-226 for that aspect. I kept researching the different designations of the HK; snd it seems that Langdon Tactical improves on the trigger, either one, the sights, better springs, and an optics cut if you want one. I am gravitating to the LEM trigger , with the smoother trigger LTT puts in it. I have been told ; but have not handled one yet, that the improved LEM trigger is nothing short of superb .
@@thegunpenguin, you do so much just keeping this channel going. I am looking forward to the Discord if that becomes a thing. You can thank me by letting me beat you at Counter Strike :p
Definitely with you on index finger mag release. Once you practice that the thumb option just gets awkward, plus it frees up your thumb for immediately operating the slide release.
Have you ever thought about adding the gray guns short reset trigger kit? I’m considering doing it, but honestly I’ve kind of got used to the trigger. Its like you said, it adds a level of safety to it which I don’t mind. It’s also not horrible or as bad as some other triggers I’ve shot.
I got my P30 for pretty much the same reason. It was about $500 and I was always curious about them. Mine has the manual safety and grey frame. I could live without the safety, but for the price, I was willing to deal with it. And in hand, the safety actually provides a nice place for my right thumb to rest for a thumbs forward grip. So that's kinda neat. Anyway, I barely have 100 rounds thru it (it's still pretty new and I don't get to the range nearly as often as I'd like) but I dry fire the hell out of this thing. So I'm either getting used to that staple gun-like DA trigger or it's starting to wear in a little. But once I get some more rounds thru it and maybe swap out the glow sticker sights for some Trijicon HD's I would definitely carry it. It works in some of my P320 holsters too (especially with a TLR-1) so that's a plus. And if get this thing to 1,500-2,000 rounds and I still dislike the trigger, I'll just send it off to Grey Guns and have them do their voodoo to it.
Yeah, for $500, it almost doesn't matter, amiright? If somebody says, "Hey, you can buy this HK. It's $500," you almost don't even care which one it is. Let me know how yours wears in over time, and if you go the Grey Guns route. It's still shocking that HK doesn't make a match trigger parts set. Meanwhile Grey Guns is cleaning up selling their parts for, what is it, like $100?
@@thegunpenguin I think Grey Guns sells a part to help the reset for $100 but they'll work over the whole thing for $350 I think. But yeah, not only should HK make a match trigger version, I'd also like to see a tactical model with a threaded barrel. To me, the P30 seems like a police gun. So a tactical model would make sense.
@@arsenal_616 I totally agree. We're lucky that the threaded barrels are readily available right now; I remember them being damn near impossible to obtain just a year ago. But, as you point out, it sucks having to spend another $250 for a barrel when it could've easily been a factory option, maybe even cut for the RMR.
The mag release paddles rise up a little when the mag is removed ..they go back to flush when the mag is reinserted. At least that’s the case with mine. Love this gun. I rotate my EDC between this gun and my CZ P07. Love em both !!
If I remember correctly it lacks the nitrate finish (adverse condition bla bla) of the USP too. Idk if they changed it later. Does the dual spring of the USP fit?
After 5 USPs, I just bought a P30, hasn't arrived yet, but excited, I'll be adding the short reset kit & straight trigger from Grayguns. Maybe something you may consider? Mag releases are interchangeable between HK models, I put the larger one on my USP.
You are a wonderful communicator. This is just great. Thank you. Sent an offer for one on Armslist. Also one of my holster screws has been lost to the parts dimension as of last week. Sigh.
I have always wanted a p30 but they are really hard to find around here. I can only get the one with safety and I wanted it without it. Does it bother you guys too much? the safety?
One of the big questions I hear asked is which is the better firearm M&P, HK, Glock. Can you review each of them side by side offering pros and cons of each?
love the P30. you gotta get your hands on a PX4. also the sig P220 in 45 acp DA/SA. while i'm not a sig fan that one holds a special place. i'm guessing you'd enjoy it too.
I've shot the Px4 often, and I'm considering the .45 model. I don't own one because I already have a Cougar, and haven't been able to bring myself to buy what is functionally the same pistol. The P220 is the only SIG Sauer I really like. Again, the only reason I don't already have one is that I can't justify another single-stack .45. Thanks for the awesome recommendations, and I'm sure those will turn up on the channel soon. I'm definitely a fan of both!
Just got the light LEM P30L. Incredible. I use to utilize cocked and locked but no more. LEM is like keeping the single action but without needing a safety. Highly recommend anyone reading this check one out for themselves
The P2000 and P30 trigger parts are mostly the same, but the triggers feel quite a bit different. You'll see what I mean, if you're accustomed to the P2000. The reset and break are both distinctly different, but the travel feels the same.
I purchased my P30L a little while ago and mounted the HKParts comp on it. It shoots wonderful, starting with break-in with 147gr. It shoots so smooth I would nearly say it's like a 22LR. It's my new favorite pistol next to my M&P 2.0. Different in their own ways but wow, HK I can see why there are some fanboys (lol). What do you recommend is a good break in period (how many rounds) until can shoot 124gr? TIA.
Loved my hkp30 enough to go for the hk45, hkp30sk, hk45c. Not crazy about the triggers. Hk45 is my favorite. This was a great review including the microtech. I like mine too.
thegunpenguin tritium which is in the glow in the dark sights gives off ionizing radiation which the Europeans prohibit. It’s probably an overreaction, but is a response to the use of cancer causing radium for watches, sights, etc at the beginning of the 20th century. As you noted quite accurately, the trigger on an hk is not “bad”-it operates exactly as intended. It requires intent and effort to bang one off especially the first round in double action. I got the variant 7 on the 45c which has long travel but very short reset. Takes getting used to. Informative and funny vid. Thanks for making it.
@@johnnybeanz1296 Thanks for watching and for the kind words! In tritium and radium's defense, manufacturers weren't exactly using safe practice in the early days of radioluminescence. If I remember correctly, the Radium Girls would often lick their paint brushes before dipping them back in the pot. Wow. Manufacturing in the early 20th century was the Wild West. The LEM guns are awesome, and I think it's a great choice for the 45 Compact!
The trigger is as "bad" as it is, because the German police demands it to be exactly like that. From the "Technische Richtlinie Pistolen Kaliber 9 mm x 19" (technical guideline pistols caliber 9x19): First shot: Minimum trigger weight: 30N (6.74lbs) Minimum trigger travel: 10mm Maximum trigger travel: 15mm Following shots: Minimum trigger reset: 4mm Minimum trigger weight: 20N (4.50lbs) Minimum trigger travel: 7mm There is also specifications for the minimum "Abzugsarbeit" or trigger work (as in work done by the trigger, not work done on the trigger) at 150 Nmm. But even as a native German speaker (and somewhat knowledgeable about guns) I'm not sure what this is about. I think it might be the force with which the trigger pushes back to reset, but that's just a guess. There is also a specification for maximum "Durchfallstrecke" (literally: fall through distance) of
Yes, in a fashion. You can send the gun away to several shops for a trigger job, or you can install the Gray Guns short reset kit. A better solution would be a match trigger kit from HK, or better yet, an overhaul of the trigger system at the design level, a sort of P30 gen. 2. For me, I will not swap trigger parts or have a trigger job performed on a gun that I intend to use for defense. As we see with the custom Glocks, swapping shit reduces reliability. Besides, the P30 isn't really a range gun. The trigger is extremely safe, and works great for defense. If I want an HK for the range, I'll look at the USP Expert. Anyhow, I hope this helps, and if you get a chance, get a few other opinions too. I'm just one guy on the internet, and my musings are certainly not definitive fact.
Subscribed to your channel because of your high round count reviews. I own a USP Compact and I love it in spite of it’s atrocious trigger. I can’t even imagine how bad the P30’s is.
@@thegunpenguin I also do "high round count" gun reviews but my idea of high round count is just above 1000 rounds. I live in Portugal and it's not that easy to go to the range and ammo is very expensive. I just reviewed my CZ P-10 C with 3295 rouns fired. So far no parts breakages. Here's the link for my channel if you want to check it out: ruclips.net/channel/UCeVsjFakWNoSXOTRtZYYsRw
I have the same V3 in 40 caliber, but with the LEM trigger, and night sights, which I purchased used on GunBroker, for an insanely low price back in 2013. It is my go to Carry, and it’s in my purse all the time with me. When I got it, it came with three magazines, and a DeSantis duty holster, which I sold the holster on eBay for $80 so with the shipping, and the transfer fee, minus the $80 I made back, It cost me just under 300.! I know that’s crazy! I paid a lot more from my other HK handguns, and HK rifle. I have a P30L v3 also with the LEM trigger in 9mm, with night sights, and with the compensator. And no, I did not copy Keanu Reeves, even though we both share the same birthday.! Lol! I also have a USP 45, and a MR762A1 rifle. I have one that is not an HK. The Canik TP9SFX, which I still have not fired yet. I am considering selling it. When you have in my humble opinion, Mercedes models of HandGuns, being the HK’s, it’s kind of hard to go backwards, although the Canik is an exceptional value.
Contrary to your statement, that video didn't suck. Have the P30SK and the same terrible trigger. Love absolutely everything else about it. Got the GG short reset bar, $99 buck for a piece of metal and a spring was more painful than the HK tax we pay for the guns. However, it was night and day and resolved 75% of the terrible trigger. It's still not a PPQ or a Canik but the safety factor is why we buy DA SA now. Love my P30 and I know why you do as well. Keep making great videos !
The only complaint I had with the P30 was the size of the slide release levers, I kept holding them down by accident causing the slide to not lock open. It is one of the few guns I regret selling and will probably own again someday.
As awesome as huge controls are, there's a downside, as you say. I have to work around the huge levers, too. Luckily, Glocks and the PPQ seem to have the end of the lever in the same spot, relative to that gap between my thumbs. Once I figured this out, the problem was gone, but I realize that most folks aren't so lucky. Was it bad enough that the gun rarely locked open for you? I've seen a few folks have that problem, and it would absolutely bother me too.
My P30 trigger got much better after 1000 rounds and lots of dry fire practice. It sits on my nightstand because I want a double action trigger pull if I am woken up.
@@davidford1564 yeah, I am not super proficient with it yet. Kind of gun that is difficult to shoot well if you try too much. It wants you to relax and let it do its own thing lol.
I have ordered two custom 1911’s that I had from the builder put in the Trijcon HD night sights, which I also put on several other guns. I enjoyed you video and subscribed
The trigger IS horrible. However, Grayguns short reset trigger kit fixes this problem. I drop the kit in both my P30 and P30L, and replaced the nickel plated flat sear spring too and I don't think I wanna get another gun anytime soon! These 2 will do me just fine!
Very descriptive, entertaining use of language. Trigger action is the deal breaker. HK has unique, great styling, and build quality. HK P30 has many benefits and certainly is one of the coolest guns. But if I am going to spend the money, I can get SIG p320 in any number of configurations, equally as cool, more aftermarket support [see Icarus Precision aluminum frames] and far superior trigger. I think the reason to get the HK P30 is that there are not many other firearms featuring DA/SA de-cocker. So, if that is the criteria, then HK P30 is the clear choice. Good video.
There's nothing wrong with that! Triggers are entirely subjective. One man's terrible trigger, is another man's trigger treasure. Or something. And the P30 is an outstanding firearm; if you like the trigger, that just makes it even better.
You are one of the very few who ever used the phrase “crisp and smooth” in the same sentence with “V3 trigger” V1, yes, awesome. V3 - combat trigger all the way, but crisp and smooth not what comes to mind.
You've got great taste! That video is coming down the assembly line, as soon as the gun hits 3k rounds, which ought to be sometime in the winter. The PPQ will be first, though it has far, far surpassed 3k rounds.
I don't necessarily prefer it to the P30L, but I don't personally find the extra length of the P30L to be particularly advantageous. Both guns will shoot 124s just fine. Though really, that goes for any 9mm pistol.
Did you know? The end of the hammer is made from plastic! I own the P30LS V3 and was surprised, when I discovered it. By the way, really great gun! I hate striker fired gun, that's why for me the P30 are one of the best guns available today.
I had three P30s, but I've recently built my inventory to eight because of the safety features associated with the P30 - I've decided that its a pistol that I want to train my wife on as a new shooter as well as my kids - When they are old enough to learn under my supervision. Like you've said in your video, its a pistol that's perfect in that a beginner or a experienced operator can pick it up in a self defense situation and be reasonably safe with it. I've taken several training courses, and my experience is that when trainers hand you a pistol to learn on, its usually a Glock 17 - I think that the P30 should be a staple for beginner to intermediate learners. What do you think? Thanks again for the great vid, and I subbed BTW😎🍻
Thank you for the kind words, and I'm honored that you would subscribe! I agree with you -- I think the P30 is an excellent choice for shooters of all ages and skill levels. Like you said, if the Glock 17 is the standard striker-fired gun, the P30 should at least be one of the candidates, or even a finalist, for a definitive polymer, hammer-fired fighting pistol. Very few people I know outright dislike it. I'm very fond of Glocks, but if someone doesn't jive with the Glock, or is frightened by the lightness of the trigger, this is usually the gun I suggest we try next. The P30 just makes folks feel comfortable, and that's a very important, and often overlooked quality. The bearded tactical guys will say those new shooters just need to train more to adjust and get over their fear through exposure and practice. That's easy to say after years of experience handling a gun. For someone who is inexperienced and frightened of guns, finding a pistol that puts them at ease might be the difference between this new shooter flourishing and giving up the sport altogether. Anyhow, thanks again, and I really appreciate you taking the time to share your valuable thoughts!
I love a G17 but I think HK has it beat with the P30 series. In testing they took a random P30 off the assembly line and put over 90,000 rounds through it before a failure. Could a Glock handle that? Maybe, I bet a USP 9mm could but I’d rather carry the G17 over that gun because the a Glock is lighter and holds more rounds.
So I have two P30’s. One made in 2014 and the other, 2018. It seems to me that the 2018 finish is a bit more of a matte finish. Both made in Germany. One has the eagle with wings proof with the “N” under it, the other has just “CIP” and “N”. I read that the Eagle was replaced by the CIP N. But the finish is definitely different. Have you noticed this or any other differences over the years?
Hmmm. I haven't noticed any major differences, but I'm also not looking very closely for that sort of thing. I probably should be, but I haven't been. Sorry I couldn't be of more help!
Great gun. I have the .40 Cal version and love everything but the trigger. I read a few on here talk about the grey guns parts. I actually bought their short reset part and had it installed ( which the gunsmith had a hell of a time I guess and almost gave up) and it pretty much did nothing... Kind of disappointed... I'm thinking he didn't install it correctly?
I've heard a few reports about fitment issues, but until I can actually install one myself, I can't comment on that with any real experience. Was the reset reduced at all? It should've been shortened by 40-50%.
@@thegunpenguin yes, it did help some. Was just hoping for more. Didn't really affect the pull weight/feeling however which I hoped it would some... I have a sign 229 legion which has the grey guns trigger in it and I guess I was hoping it would be close to that one..
@@Robert-xt3pj Supposedly they reduce the pull weight only a hair. Still, I'm sorry you're disappointed, and I certainly would be too. I might order the kit just to see if I have the same problem. Thanks for the info!
Crazy or not, I EDC my P30 for 10 years. Great shooting gun, accurate and reliable. Well over 20K rounds through it.
do you keep one in the chamber?
@@joogullae3456 Not all of the time, but I do.
That's awesome! Have you had to replace any components yet?
@@Whiskey.Tango.Actual Surpassingly nothing, but I really should soon. I think I've been waiting for the next best gun to purchase so I've been waffling,.
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Definitely time for new springs and buffer.
That was the best review I've seen on YT. I also own a P30 DA/SA and a VP9. Booth have their + and -. Your sense of humor is great and you honesty. Thank you!
Thank you for the very generous words! And I very much appreciate you watching. The VP9 is also an outstanding pistol -- a true modern classic. You've got great taste!
This is by far the BEST P30 review I've seen to date. The "part dimension" line got me to subscribe. But seriously, thanks for discussing the trigger and going into detail as the decision HK made into it being "terrible" by modern standards. It's the reason why this is my primary training pistol. If you can master this trigger then anything else is a cake walk.
You're awesome, and I can tell we're going to be friends.
This pistol is often overlooked because of the trigger, and it's not fair to the gun. The trigger was entirely intentional, and is a feature rather than a problem. I joke about it, but the trigger works totally fine, and is perfect for the pistol's intended use. Like yourself, this is one of the guns that I shoot the most, along with my 92A1 and a few Glocks. It just works! Thanks for the kind words, and for taking the time to share your thoughts.
@@thegunpenguin I completely understand as I own the P30 and P30L. My P30sk has the LEM trigger and I think that's the best trigger on the market PERIOD! So I have experience with the alpha and the omega of HK triggers. LOL!
@@ApharmdBattler The LEM trigger is great, and tragically misunderstood. Folks should give it a try -- none of the RUclips videos adequately convey how useful it is. The reviews tend to fixate on the feel; outside of the shorter reset, it's still an HK trigger, but the carry benefits would seem be the selling point. Somebody needs to make the definitive LEM video.
@@thegunpenguin Check out the video Sean Burrows from the HK team did a while back. He was SO excited when he finally understood it. LOL!
try the trigger on a SIG P250 DAO. 😳
Great review. I have tried explaining to many others that the trigger action is totally intentional and is not designed for target shooting. This is a combat pistol, not a plinking pistol. Once you master it, it all makes sense.
A shit trigger is a shit trigger. A good trigger is a good trigger. Your analogy is an excuse, not a reason. Are you under some misguided assumption that a combative application has no necessity for a trigger lending toward accuracy?
SA is ok,I don' understand this complains..and DA is service trigger..people shouldn't expect sports trigger in pistols built for army
it is a meh trigger for the price especially since the 92 has. a better trigger, but greyguns fixes it
Seems like most reviewers have the corvette on a dry pavement closed track expectation for every firearm they review… when the P30 is a jeep rubicon crawling over rocks… appreciate your more balanced approach
Finally bought one based on your review and a few other gun youtubers. Ended up with a V1 LEM and I love it. Only 50 rounds through it on the day I bought it, but I will be putting 300+ through it next week. Thanks Gunpenguin!
Thanks for watching!
I have the p2000 and love it for a CCW. What made it a great gun, or better I should say, was swapping from da/sa to 4.1 lem (less take up) and added gg short reset, less pre travel and 1/3 less reset.
Added 10 lb hammer spring for lower trigger pull weight. Slim slide releases because I kept riding the slide release before when shooting. Mounted a 508t red dot from a milling job at wright armory.
LMAO at the lost parts dimension. I immediately thought of the AR15 pin detents and sure enough, you had them in there! Love the channel and just subbed.
Thank you for the kind words! I'm honored that you'd want to subscribe.
Some of my favorite videos. Thanks!
Thank you, my friend!
Good work on this one. I’ve been a subscriber for long enough to see your content evolve and become even better. You are awesome, keep it up
Thank you for the kind words, and I'm honored that you would watch my terrible videos!
“Pinnacle of boom boom technology”. Subbed for more of this 😂
You're awesome and I love you.
That pad intro was fantastic! Thanks for another great video
Thank you for the kind words!
Excellent analysis of trigger and background! My reason for buying HK45 and HKp30SK in 9mm is because I purchased models with “external safety” because carry as same manual of arms of “cocked and locked” as my 191145ACP.
Therefore, Same muscle memory on all my handguns. Having had to use a firearm several years ago in a defensive use, that “adrenaline dump” makes you appreciate “muscle memory” & long trigger pull(which really doesn’t notice, is irrelevant when you loose fine dexterity). Plus “external Safety” was a BIG issue vs no external safety, when used in a Defensive Use(vs LEO offensive). when one has their deposition taken in a civil suit that lasted 2 days, you better KNOW your firearm and rationale for every component. You completely provided sound reasoning:analysis (except for option of external safety)that every viewer should memorize to heart, if on that rare occasion they have to explain their H&K functionality under oath in a Deposition. Buy two of each I say.
Job well done 👍
Thank you both for your kind words, and for taking the time to share your valuable experience with all of us. Like you, I've committed to this platform in multiple calibers, and I'm very glad I did. At present, I'm working on a more complete re-review of the HK45 and 45C to accompany this video.
What a freaking awesome video that all the questions that I had(and some questions that I didn’t know I had!) about the P30...Thanks!
Thank you for the kind words, and you're a saint for sitting through 30 minutes me yakking. You're awesome!
thegunpenguin well I gotta say it was so truthful and entertaining I didn’t even notice the time! I’m a big H&K fan and I’m looking for reasons to have a P30v1 and this did it...H&K should buy it and use it as a 30 min infomercial...LOL!
@@ronincato275 Truly, thank you, I really appreciate it. Though the P30 is far from perfect, it's one of the best guns on the market today. When you get yours, let me know what you think of it!
For someone who loves the P30, I think you'd like the VP9 as well.
As for the P30 trigger, luckily there are aftermarket options available for them these days. LEM is definitely the way to go as far as factory configurations go.
I very much like the VP9! It's not my favorite striker-fired gun, but I certainly don't dislike them, and I've very much enjoyed them at the range. I have some concerns about the aftermarket trigger solutions, but I certainly see why folks go that route. If this wasn't one of my primary defensive pistols, I'd definitely have something like the Gray Guns SRT installed in mine. Also, I totally agree with you, the LEM is an excellent option, for most people. I'm not personally willing to give up the initially DA pull, though. But, I certainly see why someone would. In my experience the LEM triggers aren't dramatically better than the standard pull, but having that somewhat shorter reset is certainly nice. Thanks for the input, and I appreciate you watching!
I just bought one of these on your praise in your videos. I could not agree with your assessment more. This is one fine hammer fired 9. I really like it. It may just become one of my favorites
I love the paddle and the sights. I have a set of tritium in my closet, been there for 3 or 4 years. The stock sights are brighter, easier on the eyes, glow on my night stand when I can't see anything I can still put my hand on the grip. Good enough for me. P30sk, my 11 round revolver.
Great review. One of the best out there.
After having a Sig P-229r with SRT kit, I just couldn't ignore how bad the trigger on the P30 is and just couldn't make convincing excuses to sweet-talk myself over the edge. Not just the pull, but as mentioned, the worrisome trigger reset point and the subsequent re-pull to re-shoot.
Like others here, I've found bliss with the LEM trigger.
I do jones to have that cool de-cocker in my stash from time to time tho..
I love my p30 v1 lem, carry it daily and trust it .
So many choices on the grip, shoots fantastic and well made.
I swapped out my Hammer spring for the next lightest one on HK parts, believe 11 lbs. Also got the gray guns trigger kit. It is smooth, short reset, and a little bit lighter
Today is penguin awareness day.. Thank you for this review as I am shopping for this pistol
Thank you for supporting the arming of flightless semi-aquatic birds!
I got to check out a P30L in the store the other day and WOW is that grip nice! Also, the trigger was nowhere near as bad as I thought it would be though the reset is long (I guess a GG SRT would help that). I'm definitely getting one of these when my budget allows.
The best part of this review is the song in the beginning.
I have the gray framed version, LOVE it. Flagship HK hammer fired pistol? Call me traditional, but I think that's reserved for the USP... Great video!
The flagship is the USP, if not the Mark 23.
Well done. Not a fan of longer vids, but this was interesting enough to keep me watching.
Just picked up the same gun, hope to pop it's cherry this weekend and if it's as good as I hear, hope to pick up an "L" in the future.
Great video, very informative, like the humor and intermissions, 😂 my side hurts, thank you
Thank you for the kind words!
@@thegunpenguin ❤👍🏻😂
Great video GP actually one of your best! I have two H&K pistols a USP 45 Variant 1 and a H&K 45c. I have a Love Hate relationship with both of them but i will never get rid of either one of them! The best description of the H&K USP I ever herd was "It's The Best $600 Pistol A $1000.00 Will Get You"..... LOL!!!!
Thank you for the kind words, and I totally agree -- if there was ever an overpriced gun, we've found it. Don't judge me, but I very much want the USP Expert. PSA has one that I ogle periodically, and there's something about it that I really like. It doesn't hurt that the trigger is much improved.
Never watched one of your videos. Good work. I’ll watch more.
Subbed from this video and thank you for it ,was a great watch
No, thank you for watching!
My p30 is my edc absolutely love it. After 2500 rounds still not one failure and even with standard sights easy to put nice grouped shots down range. Been my edc for three years now.
I carried a P-226 on duty since the 80’s.I was considering the p-30 , single/ double trigger, because I always loved the P-226 for that aspect. I kept researching the different designations of the HK; snd it seems that Langdon Tactical improves on the trigger, either one, the sights, better springs, and an optics cut if you want one. I am gravitating to the LEM trigger , with the smoother trigger LTT puts in it. I have been told ; but have not handled one yet, that the improved LEM trigger is nothing short of superb .
I wasn't expecting the shout out. I'm just happy to be able to have a channel like this to support at all. Keep up the great work!
You're awesome, and you deserve it; I wish there was more that I could do to show my gratitude. Thanks for helping our little community grow.
@@thegunpenguin, you do so much just keeping this channel going. I am looking forward to the Discord if that becomes a thing. You can thank me by letting me beat you at Counter Strike :p
@@tracyolsen5715 Thank you, and that sounds great to me! (I can almost promise that I'll lose. Does anyone still play Day of Defeat?)
@@thegunpenguin, my normal group of guys mostly play Overwatch. I am looking forward to RDR2.
@@tracyolsen5715 When does RDR2 hit the PC? It looks fine on PS4, but I'm sure it'll be spectacular on PC.
Definitely with you on index finger mag release.
Once you practice that the thumb option just gets awkward, plus it frees up your thumb for immediately operating the slide release.
Dumb.
+thegunpenguin Since you brought the Glock 45 to the table, if you could only keep the P 30 or the G 45, which one would it be?
Amazing review.. fantastic.. I agree the trigger sucks.. but I do love this gun...! thanks for your thoughts spot on!
Great review, it's a great gun, just placed an order for a P30L V3 for home defence and can't wait to take it to the range for practice.
defense
@@wehrewulf In the UK (where English originated) we spell it with a ''C''
Helluva righteous review. Thank you.
Thank you for watching, my friend!
Wondering if you shot the V1 LEM version and your thoughts on it?
Have you ever thought about adding the gray guns short reset trigger kit? I’m considering doing it, but honestly I’ve kind of got used to the trigger. Its like you said, it adds a level of safety to it which I don’t mind. It’s also not horrible or as bad as some other triggers I’ve shot.
I got my P30 for pretty much the same reason. It was about $500 and I was always curious about them. Mine has the manual safety and grey frame. I could live without the safety, but for the price, I was willing to deal with it. And in hand, the safety actually provides a nice place for my right thumb to rest for a thumbs forward grip. So that's kinda neat.
Anyway, I barely have 100 rounds thru it (it's still pretty new and I don't get to the range nearly as often as I'd like) but I dry fire the hell out of this thing. So I'm either getting used to that staple gun-like DA trigger or it's starting to wear in a little. But once I get some more rounds thru it and maybe swap out the glow sticker sights for some Trijicon HD's I would definitely carry it. It works in some of my P320 holsters too (especially with a TLR-1) so that's a plus. And if get this thing to 1,500-2,000 rounds and I still dislike the trigger, I'll just send it off to Grey Guns and have them do their voodoo to it.
Yeah, for $500, it almost doesn't matter, amiright? If somebody says, "Hey, you can buy this HK. It's $500," you almost don't even care which one it is. Let me know how yours wears in over time, and if you go the Grey Guns route. It's still shocking that HK doesn't make a match trigger parts set. Meanwhile Grey Guns is cleaning up selling their parts for, what is it, like $100?
@@thegunpenguin I think Grey Guns sells a part to help the reset for $100 but they'll work over the whole thing for $350 I think. But yeah, not only should HK make a match trigger version, I'd also like to see a tactical model with a threaded barrel. To me, the P30 seems like a police gun. So a tactical model would make sense.
@@arsenal_616 I totally agree. We're lucky that the threaded barrels are readily available right now; I remember them being damn near impossible to obtain just a year ago. But, as you point out, it sucks having to spend another $250 for a barrel when it could've easily been a factory option, maybe even cut for the RMR.
I regret sleeping on picking up a p30 2 years ago. They were all 549 before hk pushed the vp9 2020 and the new 17 round mags
Love your style and sense of humor. Got a subscriber.
I'm honored! Thank you!
The mag release paddles rise up a little when the mag is removed ..they go back to flush when the mag is reinserted. At least that’s the case with mine. Love this gun. I rotate my EDC between this gun and my CZ P07. Love em both !!
I agree! Although ive been running the Lionheart Regulus Alpha lately, one of the best guns I own.
Great analogies and nice review...just bought one
Much appreciated! Enjoy your P30!
If I remember correctly it lacks the nitrate finish (adverse condition bla bla) of the USP too. Idk if they changed it later. Does the dual spring of the USP fit?
After 5 USPs, I just bought a P30, hasn't arrived yet, but excited, I'll be adding the short reset kit & straight trigger from Grayguns. Maybe something you may consider? Mag releases are interchangeable between HK models, I put the larger one on my USP.
You are a wonderful communicator. This is just great. Thank you. Sent an offer for one on Armslist. Also one of my holster screws has been lost to the parts dimension as of last week. Sigh.
Great video! Greetings from Florence, SC
Thank you, my friend!
I have a P30L and love it. No complaints at all. Mag release take a bit of getting used to.
Love the grip/decocker hate the trigger reset/trough love the P30 v3 it’s now my edc
Great choice!
I was nervous about the decocker on the back envisioning it going off and destroying my thumb. Thing is amazing! I love this gun.
I have always wanted a p30 but they are really hard to find around here.
I can only get the one with safety and I wanted it without it. Does it
bother you guys too much? the safety?
I absolutely hate the safety, personally -- it eats a hole in my thumb.
One of the big questions I hear asked is which is the better firearm M&P, HK, Glock. Can you review each of them side by side offering pros and cons of each?
love the P30. you gotta get your hands on a PX4. also the sig P220 in 45 acp DA/SA. while i'm not a sig fan that one holds a special place. i'm guessing you'd enjoy it too.
I've shot the Px4 often, and I'm considering the .45 model. I don't own one because I already have a Cougar, and haven't been able to bring myself to buy what is functionally the same pistol. The P220 is the only SIG Sauer I really like. Again, the only reason I don't already have one is that I can't justify another single-stack .45. Thanks for the awesome recommendations, and I'm sure those will turn up on the channel soon. I'm definitely a fan of both!
Just got the light LEM P30L. Incredible. I use to utilize cocked and locked but no more. LEM is like keeping the single action but without needing a safety. Highly recommend anyone reading this check one out for themselves
Picking one up tonight, my fifth HK. Aren't the internals of this gun basically the same as the P2000/USP9?
The P2000 and P30 trigger parts are mostly the same, but the triggers feel quite a bit different. You'll see what I mean, if you're accustomed to the P2000. The reset and break are both distinctly different, but the travel feels the same.
Have you tried the SAR K2?
Grey guns has a trigger kit for the P30 V3 .It makes a huge difference .
I purchased my P30L a little while ago and mounted the HKParts comp on it. It shoots wonderful, starting with break-in with 147gr.
It shoots so smooth I would nearly say it's like a 22LR. It's my new favorite pistol next to my M&P 2.0. Different in their own ways but wow, HK I can see why there are some fanboys (lol).
What do you recommend is a good break in period (how many rounds) until can shoot 124gr?
TIA.
Thumbs up for the deep wisdoms shared by tree opossum!
...and the good and funny review!
Thank you for the kind words, but the possum should really be making the reviews at this point.
I got an h&k45 for only $749.99 at academy recently, which is about 200 to 300 less than most reviewers say it goes for!!! Absolutely love it!!!
What's your beef with cz?
Ordered the LEM v1 version and plan to do the 4.1 conversion with the grayguns reset kit. This will be my EDC.
Did you consider getting the P30L while you were getting the P30? If so what made you pick the P30 over the P30L?
Loved my hkp30 enough to go for the hk45, hkp30sk, hk45c. Not crazy about the triggers. Hk45 is my favorite.
This was a great review including the microtech. I like mine too.
Thank you, my friend! It would seem we have very similar taste -- I couldn't resist the HK45, or the 45 Compact, either.
thegunpenguin tritium which is in the glow in the dark sights gives off ionizing radiation which the Europeans prohibit. It’s probably an overreaction, but is a response to the use of cancer causing radium for watches, sights, etc at the beginning of the 20th century.
As you noted quite accurately, the trigger on an hk is not “bad”-it operates exactly as intended. It requires intent and effort to bang one off especially the first round in double action. I got the variant 7 on the 45c which has long travel but very short reset. Takes getting used to.
Informative and funny vid. Thanks for making it.
@@johnnybeanz1296 Thanks for watching and for the kind words! In tritium and radium's defense, manufacturers weren't exactly using safe practice in the early days of radioluminescence. If I remember correctly, the Radium Girls would often lick their paint brushes before dipping them back in the pot. Wow. Manufacturing in the early 20th century was the Wild West.
The LEM guns are awesome, and I think it's a great choice for the 45 Compact!
My HK45 is the best 45ACP I’ve ever shot. Like a 1911 but without all the reliability issues.
The trigger is as "bad" as it is, because the German police demands it to be exactly like that. From the "Technische Richtlinie Pistolen Kaliber 9 mm x 19" (technical guideline pistols caliber 9x19):
First shot:
Minimum trigger weight: 30N (6.74lbs)
Minimum trigger travel: 10mm
Maximum trigger travel: 15mm
Following shots:
Minimum trigger reset: 4mm
Minimum trigger weight: 20N (4.50lbs)
Minimum trigger travel: 7mm
There is also specifications for the minimum "Abzugsarbeit" or trigger work (as in work done by the trigger, not work done on the trigger) at 150 Nmm. But even as a native German speaker (and somewhat knowledgeable about guns) I'm not sure what this is about. I think it might be the force with which the trigger pushes back to reset, but that's just a guess. There is also a specification for maximum "Durchfallstrecke" (literally: fall through distance) of
Thanks! Those testing specs are highly useful! Not to mention interesting.
@@thegunpenguin Well, so are your videos. Happy to be able to give something back :)
The intro music was effective. Good stuff Gun Penguin.
Thanks!
Great review
Thank you, my friend!
can the trigger be changed? Can it be improved at all?
Yes, in a fashion. You can send the gun away to several shops for a trigger job, or you can install the Gray Guns short reset kit. A better solution would be a match trigger kit from HK, or better yet, an overhaul of the trigger system at the design level, a sort of P30 gen. 2. For me, I will not swap trigger parts or have a trigger job performed on a gun that I intend to use for defense. As we see with the custom Glocks, swapping shit reduces reliability. Besides, the P30 isn't really a range gun. The trigger is extremely safe, and works great for defense. If I want an HK for the range, I'll look at the USP Expert. Anyhow, I hope this helps, and if you get a chance, get a few other opinions too. I'm just one guy on the internet, and my musings are certainly not definitive fact.
Have you thoight of doing the LTT treatment?
Subscribed to your channel because of your high round count reviews. I own a USP Compact and I love it in spite of it’s atrocious trigger. I can’t even imagine how bad the P30’s is.
Thank you very much for the support! The USP is a dream by comparison. I actually enjoy the USP match trigger, but the standard one is very ugly.
@@thegunpenguin I also do "high round count" gun reviews but my idea of high round count is just above 1000 rounds. I live in Portugal and it's not that easy to go to the range and ammo is very expensive. I just reviewed my CZ P-10 C with 3295 rouns fired. So far no parts breakages. Here's the link for my channel if you want to check it out: ruclips.net/channel/UCeVsjFakWNoSXOTRtZYYsRw
Thanks for the link, my friend! I'll definitely check out your channel!
I have the same V3 in 40 caliber, but with the LEM trigger, and night sights, which I purchased used on GunBroker, for an insanely low price back in 2013. It is my go to Carry, and it’s in my purse all the time with me. When I got it, it came with three magazines, and a DeSantis duty holster, which I sold the holster on eBay for $80 so with the shipping, and the transfer fee, minus the $80 I made back, It cost me just under 300.! I know that’s crazy! I paid a lot more from my other HK handguns, and HK rifle. I have a P30L v3 also with the LEM trigger in 9mm, with night sights, and with the compensator. And no, I did not copy Keanu Reeves, even though we both share the same birthday.! Lol! I also have a USP 45, and a MR762A1 rifle. I have one that is not an HK. The Canik TP9SFX, which I still have not fired yet. I am considering selling it.
When you have in my humble opinion, Mercedes models of HandGuns, being the HK’s, it’s kind of hard to go backwards, although the Canik is an exceptional value.
Nice review. I’ll be praying for you. God bless.
Thanks! Though I'm a non-believer, I respect people of faith, and I appreciate the gesture.
Contrary to your statement, that video didn't suck.
Have the P30SK and the same terrible trigger. Love absolutely everything else about it. Got the GG short reset bar, $99 buck for a piece of metal and a spring was more painful than the HK tax we pay for the guns.
However, it was night and day and resolved 75% of the terrible trigger. It's still not a PPQ or a Canik but the safety factor is why we buy DA SA now. Love my P30 and I know why you do as well.
Keep making great videos !
Thank you for the kind words and support! I also appreciate you taking the time to share your experiences with the GG trigger bar.
Have you experienced any firing/reliability issues due to the GG bar?
@@5jjt none at all.
The safety of da/sa of the p30L is the reason I got one .
The only complaint I had with the P30 was the size of the slide release levers, I kept holding them down by accident causing the slide to not lock open. It is one of the few guns I regret selling and will probably own again someday.
As awesome as huge controls are, there's a downside, as you say. I have to work around the huge levers, too. Luckily, Glocks and the PPQ seem to have the end of the lever in the same spot, relative to that gap between my thumbs. Once I figured this out, the problem was gone, but I realize that most folks aren't so lucky. Was it bad enough that the gun rarely locked open for you? I've seen a few folks have that problem, and it would absolutely bother me too.
The one with an external safety has a shorter lever
Have you had a chance to try the SK?
is there a kit available to get rid of the safety?
Unfortunately, if you have the safety lever, you're stuck with it. I wish there was a solution!
which p30 is this one
My P30 trigger got much better after 1000 rounds and lots of dry fire practice. It sits on my nightstand because I want a double action trigger pull if I am woken up.
Just found a used P30 on sale for $465. Put it on layaway. And then my wife brought me a Mark 23 for Valentines lol.
@@Catgat37 Best Valentine's Day ever!
@@davidford1564 yeah, I am not super proficient with it yet. Kind of gun that is difficult to shoot well if you try too much. It wants you to relax and let it do its own thing lol.
Awesome review man, by far most comfortable pistol I've ever held
Thank you so much for the kind words!
Got the P30L cause of John Wick！Fking love it
I have ordered two custom 1911’s that I had from the builder put in the Trijcon HD night sights, which I also put on several other guns. I enjoyed you video and subscribed
Love my P30 with its light LEM.
The trigger IS horrible. However, Grayguns short reset trigger kit fixes this problem. I drop the kit in both my P30 and P30L, and replaced the nickel plated flat sear spring too and I don't think I wanna get another gun anytime soon! These 2 will do me just fine!
I finally got one. I have the LEM P30 and I LOVE IT
That's awesome! Congratulations!
thegunpenguin thanks so much I love it
Same here......I had wanted one for years and I finally got it this week....I should have bought it years ago
Very descriptive, entertaining use of language. Trigger action is the deal breaker. HK has unique, great styling, and build quality. HK P30 has many benefits and certainly is one of the coolest guns. But if I am going to spend the money, I can get SIG p320 in any number of configurations, equally as cool, more aftermarket support [see Icarus Precision aluminum frames] and far superior trigger. I think the reason to get the HK P30 is that there are not many other firearms featuring DA/SA de-cocker. So, if that is the criteria, then HK P30 is the clear choice. Good video.
Sold my Glock 19 ,Glock Knuckle. Bought this and love it .
But.. I love my V3 trigger. Nice and stout double then a crisp and smooth single.
There's nothing wrong with that! Triggers are entirely subjective. One man's terrible trigger, is another man's trigger treasure. Or something. And the P30 is an outstanding firearm; if you like the trigger, that just makes it even better.
You are one of the very few who ever used the phrase “crisp and smooth” in the same sentence with “V3 trigger” V1, yes, awesome. V3 - combat trigger all the way, but crisp and smooth not what comes to mind.
I love my HK P30sk v1! And could you please do some updates for your Walther P99AS too?
You've got great taste! That video is coming down the assembly line, as soon as the gun hits 3k rounds, which ought to be sometime in the winter. The PPQ will be first, though it has far, far surpassed 3k rounds.
@@thegunpenguin Glad to know! I am looking forward to that video!
@@raykang957 Thank you, my friend! The PPQ is a month away, maybe more, but it'll be as long, comprehensive, and tedious, as this P30 review.
Ray Kang I have the P99AS and it’s one of my favorites !!!! Amazing gun
@@matthewprince1005 It's a classic!
do you like this over the p30L? the P30 will shoot 124 HP's right?
I don't necessarily prefer it to the P30L, but I don't personally find the extra length of the P30L to be particularly advantageous.
Both guns will shoot 124s just fine. Though really, that goes for any 9mm pistol.
Did you know? The end of the hammer is made from plastic!
I own the P30LS V3 and was surprised, when I discovered it. By the way, really great gun!
I hate striker fired gun, that's why for me the P30 are one of the best guns available today.
It is coated in polymer...yes. but HK does polymer guns better than even Glock.
HK rail versus industry standard rail?
Love the opening music
Try the V1 lem model with a grey guns short trigger reset..
I find it weird how people say the trigger sucks on this gun but then praise the usp, which has the SAME trigger but heavier.
I had three P30s, but I've recently built my inventory to eight because of the safety features associated with the P30 - I've decided that its a pistol that I want to train my wife on as a new shooter as well as my kids - When they are old enough to learn under my supervision. Like you've said in your video, its a pistol that's perfect in that a beginner or a experienced operator can pick it up in a self defense situation and be reasonably safe with it. I've taken several training courses, and my experience is that when trainers hand you a pistol to learn on, its usually a Glock 17 - I think that the P30 should be a staple for beginner to intermediate learners. What do you think? Thanks again for the great vid, and I subbed BTW😎🍻
Thank you for the kind words, and I'm honored that you would subscribe! I agree with you -- I think the P30 is an excellent choice for shooters of all ages and skill levels. Like you said, if the Glock 17 is the standard striker-fired gun, the P30 should at least be one of the candidates, or even a finalist, for a definitive polymer, hammer-fired fighting pistol. Very few people I know outright dislike it. I'm very fond of Glocks, but if someone doesn't jive with the Glock, or is frightened by the lightness of the trigger, this is usually the gun I suggest we try next. The P30 just makes folks feel comfortable, and that's a very important, and often overlooked quality.
The bearded tactical guys will say those new shooters just need to train more to adjust and get over their fear through exposure and practice. That's easy to say after years of experience handling a gun. For someone who is inexperienced and frightened of guns, finding a pistol that puts them at ease might be the difference between this new shooter flourishing and giving up the sport altogether. Anyhow, thanks again, and I really appreciate you taking the time to share your valuable thoughts!
I love a G17 but I think HK has it beat with the P30 series. In testing they took a random P30 off the assembly line and put over 90,000 rounds through it before a failure. Could a Glock handle that? Maybe, I bet a USP 9mm could but I’d rather carry the G17 over that gun because the a Glock is lighter and holds more rounds.
So I have two P30’s. One made in 2014 and the other, 2018. It seems to me that the 2018 finish is a bit more of a matte finish. Both made in Germany. One has the eagle with wings proof with the “N” under it, the other has just “CIP” and “N”. I read that the Eagle was replaced by the CIP N. But the finish is definitely different. Have you noticed this or any other differences over the years?
Hmmm. I haven't noticed any major differences, but I'm also not looking very closely for that sort of thing. I probably should be, but I haven't been. Sorry I couldn't be of more help!
My p30 from 2015 is more matte than my p30l from 2020
What kind of knife is that?
That's a Microtech Ultratech. I very much enjoy all of my Microtechs!
Great Video
Love the ambient forest music too
@@GrandLuxx Thank you, my friend! This gun deserved better than my original shitty video.
Dude! great review and i love the humor u throw in. got a new subscriber here for sure
Thank you for the kind words, and I'm honored that you would subscribe. Thank you!
Great gun. I have the .40 Cal version and love everything but the trigger. I read a few on here talk about the grey guns parts. I actually bought their short reset part and had it installed ( which the gunsmith had a hell of a time I guess and almost gave up) and it pretty much did nothing... Kind of disappointed... I'm thinking he didn't install it correctly?
I've heard a few reports about fitment issues, but until I can actually install one myself, I can't comment on that with any real experience. Was the reset reduced at all? It should've been shortened by 40-50%.
@@thegunpenguin yes, it did help some. Was just hoping for more. Didn't really affect the pull weight/feeling however which I hoped it would some... I have a sign 229 legion which has the grey guns trigger in it and I guess I was hoping it would be close to that one..
@@Robert-xt3pj Supposedly they reduce the pull weight only a hair. Still, I'm sorry you're disappointed, and I certainly would be too. I might order the kit just to see if I have the same problem. Thanks for the info!
If installed correctly , it is a huge improvement .
The intro music on this one sounds like Eve Online....relaxing....till you realize you are in null-sec.
Thanks! I haven't thought of that game in years. Probably the most impressive online game, in my opinion.