HK P30 LEM: Best Handgun EVER?!?
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- Опубликовано: 4 сен 2024
- After extensive research and time spent testing and evaluating...
I can say that the HK P30 is by far my favorite handgun. I've long been a Glock 19, and Sig P226 fan, but after experiencing the P30's elegant design and luxurious grips I have to say it far surpasses both as a shooter.
Having once had a 9mm striker fired affinity, Heckler &a Koch have won me over to the joy of the DAO, albeit only with their firearms.
The 91,000 round test was actually done by an instructor named Todd Green. There were a few parts replaced starting at 19,000 rounds, but just springs. Those are technically maintenance items though.
That’s true, but still very impressive. Andy Rutledge did a test on his glock 19 and hit 80k, but replaced recoil spring assembly’s every 5k and a few other minor springs. FN boasted about their 20k endurance test that the LAPD did when adopting the 509 as their duty firearm. I’m not aware of any test that was done by anyone on any pistol that exceeded 90k without any spring replacements. Perhaps someone else knows of one.
Picked up a P30sk law enforcement edition. Comes with night sights 3 mags and the LEM trigger. It's amazing I love it
Your explanation of why a second-strike pull has such a heavy pull weight to it is a bit misleading. The LEM trigger has a two-piece hammer: The hammer itself, and an internal cocking piece. In most cases, the internal piece is cocked, which leaves the trigger doing nothing but moving the physical hammer and then releasing it. Nice, easy, light. If nothing acts to reset the internal cocking piece (via slide cycling due to firing or manual manipulation), now the trigger has to handle ALL of it. It's the difference between about 5 pound pull weight (for V1 LEM) and a 16 pound pull weight. It has nothing to do with "pulling it back harder to make sure the round goes off." The second strike is going to apply the same pressure to the primer that the first one does.
Thank you ! I was appauld to listen and watch that misinformation. Absolutely the wrong explanation especially for those new to guns trying to learn. Appreciate you providing accurate information for the sake of those learning and or purchasing this gun.
Thank you sir, the misleading info by You Tube Experts is so very sad.
Great video H K are one of the. best firearms in the world
Thank you for spending some time on the LEM trigger. I have very recently acquired the P30L with the LEM trigger to go with my P30SK v3. That first pull seems to take forever and it's easy to short stroke when you are "feeling" for the reset like a DA/SA set up. It just takes some range time to adapt. Nice job demonstrating. This weapon is a tack driver that is very easy to shoot.
Tim Joseph So do you prefer the V3 variant or the LEM variant?
I got rhe same sk as u and plan on getting the v1 lem or a v4.1 bill springfield longslide p30
Best pistol made.
I have a dozen handguns but recently bought the P30 LEM with night sites. I bought it just because of the grip and how perfectly it fits my hand; truly SUBLIME!
I bought a lem .40 brand new for 500ish earlier this year, love it for everything it is
Great review, have several Glocks. After watching several H&K P30 reviews, I am going to buy. Thank you.
I got the H K P30 in .40 call for a Christmas present. Love it. I'll be getting the P30L next in the same caliber. The way the gun shoots & feels in the hand is incredible. It has taken a while to adjust to the LEM trigger, but I'm still getting the hang of it.
Thank you! Finally someone with common sense about the trigger. This guns major clientele are police. Police do not need match triggers because of the high stress situations that come with their field of work. The simple GreyGuns drop reset shortening kit is a cost effective way to make the LEM more like the old USP’s. I think this gun is so good though that the only thing someone can gripe about it is the trigger and not to mention someone who is not a good shooter would like to have something easy to blame than blame themselves.
Without getting into the engineering (research H&K mP-30 engineering on RUclips) this guns superior durability and reliability vs its competitors is easily understood. Funny story, I got a P-30 lem 8 years ago and until 1 year ago thought I got skinned thinking that I should’ve gotten the single / double trigger (V3 variant I think) instead. Gun store owner buddy gave it to me for an $800 debt. It has lived in the safe since I got it, except I let a friend shoot it who’s a former special forces guy and a black ops contractor currently, and he raved about it. Ergonomics, accuracy, trigger etc. and he tried to buy it. I still didn’t get it. Finally my son told me he thought there was a conversion kit to change the trigger available. So I started researching that and discovered the conversion was not LEM to double/single but to other way around and that the LEM DAO trigger was much more coveted and even used by a number of competition shooters. So I took it down to my range and shot a few hundred rds through it. Awesome accuracy, superior ergonomics and not one malfunction and after getting used to the reset follow up shots were very fast. Sad that I didn’t know from the outset what I had but now I feel like I found a hundred dollar bill in a jacket I haven’t worn for years. Good review dude!
You still shooting the p30 LEM?
@@fearnonebutone4977 no, it’s doing bedside duty in a night stand safe. For shooting I’m pretty much 2011 or hunting sidearm is a 1911 chambered in 460 Rowland. Concealed carry Sig P938
I have both the p30 & p30sk ns 9mm Lem. Both outstanding.
my cousin has one of these in .40 s&w. smoothest .40 I've ever fired.
HK P30 SWEET PISTOL NEED TO GET ONE THANKS FOR THE REVIEW.
+Robert Garcia thanks for watching :)
One of the best handguns ever made!
Yes the P30/P30L prices were pretty high, somewhere between $800-$1000+ I saw it went on sale awhile now, but they have not had it in stock. So when they did, I had to have it for $583+$7.99 shipping at GrabAGun. It's a P30L V1 LEM version. I saw they had it in stock since yesterday and they had a lot in stock, there were 2 left when I ordered it today. So I was close to not getting one for that price of under $600 shipped for a P30L. I love HK's I have the USP 40, VP9 Tactical and the P30SK v1 LEM. BTW I see these in 40 S&W at $500 often, I guess because since FBI and a lot of the law enforcement are going back to 9mm so the 40 is a lot more abundant and are less desired than the 9mm version.
Great video. I have a P30 SK light LEM for my EDC. Have owned a USP Compact for 19 years. I own many other handguns. Those two aremy favorites.
I'm drooling just thinking about getting my hands on that piece!!!!
I like your videos! Different viewpoints from a lot of other knife reviews I have seen. Thanks
I have a P30LS V3 DA\SA 9mm LE (law enforcement package) comes with 3 mags and Mepro night sights, got it on GunBroker (actual dealer was Omaha Outdoors) for $750 total price out the door after delivery and paperwork to my LGS. If you check you can get a good deal on a new one or get a used one for a better deal. It is hands down the most comfortable gun in the hand I have ever had. I am a Sig fan but have a couple HK's and the LEM trigger is nice but I prefer DA/SA triggers. I've heard of people buying the P30 with a DA/SA trigger and then sending it to Gray Guns for a trigger job...so they spent upwards of $900-1000 on the gun and then send it out for a $500 trigger job...what is wrong with people! I mean, it's their money but why wouldn't you just buy a gun set up the way you want it. I'm not bashing Gray Guns, I like them and buy trigger and spring kits from them often but to send it and and spend $500 for a trigger job is a little crazy in my opinion. You're spending $1500 for a gun unnecessarily....buy it with the LEM trigger from the factory and spend the $500 on light/lasers or mags or whatever trips your trigger. Just my opinion, I like HK but Sig is better overall, especially the factory triggers!
Love my P30 S V3 Smoothest,Most accurate 40cal have fired.
Good vid, great pistol!
That's not why its stiff!... its stiff because the main spring has been released with the trigger pull and hammer release and because the slide has not re-racked the main-spring is not pre-loaded. That stiff pull is the logical product of it, you are loading/compressing the main-spring when you do that 2nd strike after a non-discharge. It doesn't somehow hit the firing pin any harder.
Also, the reason why they dont come with night-sights is because they are made in Germany and tritium is a radioactive substance subject to strict controls under German Export law... Thus, we get the glow worms.
Thanks for pointing that out.
I came, just to comment on the title of the video. YES!!! The H&K P30 LEM, IS the best handgun EVER!!! And I'm no neophyte or an H&K fanboy. In fact, I'm more of a 1911 guy, than anything. (Which caused me some confusion and frustration; because my maiden voyage with my P30L, was rife with failures of the slide to lock back; due to my 1911, thumbs forward grip.) I have a CZ P10C, on layaway. It had better be damned good; to get me to put down my new, P30L, Light LEM, police model, 9mm.
Trae UCity you will like this model trust me . I owned p30sk lem version and it shoot just the p30L lem . Since I own both .
I grabbed a new P30L for $625 on gunbroker. Had Grayguns upgrade the LEM to v4.1 and add the SRT. Couldn’t be happier.
Good video brother! You gave a great demonstration of why you should NOT carry a magazine free-floating in your pocket...
Nice review enjoy the content! Glad to see you back up and making videos again
+Benjamim Cassup thanks man! Took long enough..
just got a used p30 used for a really really cheap price. I liked it so much i picked up a vp9 a couple days later.
Enjoyed your video. I get the second strike capacity argument but why, in a critical incident, depend on a round that already failed. Tap, rack and get rid of the bad round. Just my 2 cents. I currently have a VP9sk, have had a P7M8 and P7 and absolutely love H&K. Still a Glock fan but am seriously thinking P30LEM.
Luckily P30s and VP9s share mags so productions and sales have been ramped up.
Nice video. Can take advantage of H&K's magazine offer too if you pick one up by the end of September. That's a 200 dollar value. 4 free magazines with proof of purchase.
John, can you tell me where do I find that offer? thanks for posting
Nice to see you back making video's. Nice vid, haven't had the chance to shoot this pistol yet.
+Jake Duran thanks brother, glad to be back! You should check it out for sure! Not selling this one
I get mine tomorrow!!!! I can't wait!!!
great video really like your break down on your videos. found your video by accident. but, subscribed to your channel after 1min. Nice job👏👏
I own this pistol and it's a best! I've had tons of nightmare with bears chasing me and I'm not strong enough to pull the trigger, but in reality it's an amazing trigger system.
it's good to see you back!!!!
+VQMAN I'm glad to be back brother :)
Great review
Ahh man 4 years later and I'm just now entering for this $20! 😃
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Stats: 91,322 rounds, 0 malfunctions, 13 stoppages (< 1 stoppage/27,000 rounds), 5 part breakages, and test ended at 91,622 rounds. Cleaned only 15 times. Once fired over 12,000 rounds before the next cleaning.
Test conducted by Todd Greene and Tom Jones.
Worth a read. Great article.
glad you are back
I just ordered my first HK! It’s a P30L. I’m thinking of getting the LEM trigger kit for it.
I have or have had all gen glock 19s (yes even the 19c), cz sp01, USP 9 DA/SA, and P30 DA/SA, sig p226 elite, p229. I've also had or have head several others in 40 or 45 IE springfield xd and multiple 1911s. My P30 LEM is bar none my favorite.
This is a Great Review and I can Understand where your coming from when tryna to find the perfect Handgun for yourself.
+GT FROM AG thanks man, I appreciate the kind words :)
just found your channel and already subscribed! love your reviews, keep it up!
thanks for going into more detail on thus trigger varient
+Terry Bradley no problem! Thanks for commenting. Hopefully my description answers some questions for folks wondering :).
Love the recoil on this hand gun seems to be a great shooter
good video
glad you are back
+bmorebobby30 thanks buddy, I'm glad to be back :).
Never shot an lem but I now plan to change that soon
First time watching you...great job very informative review. This gun is absolutely beautiful...I'm wrestling tight now on whether to shell out the bucks. Thanks very much
+HeCoversMe thanks for commenting! Welcome to the community :). I bought mine used for $600 and with it lasting 91,000 rds in testing... it would be an investment :).
They complain because they’ve never trained with a lem trigger, or they’re glock fan boys, or they’re stupid? Either way all Hks should have the lem
Once again another great video keep it up.
+blfhatboi thank you :)
Best grips of any pistol out there.
Yes! Best. Handgun. Ever!
Great review. I would definitely add some one handed limp wrists shots to test it. Keep up the great job
+Ron Bridgefarmer I plan on doing a torture test very soon 😁
So good that German Army special forces (KSK) use the P30 LEM. P30 in action on youtube: "Mit Olli beim KSK - Kommando Spezialkräfte der Bundeswehr (6/6)"
Sure wish they made smooth grip panels for summer carry.
Sean Vine P2000 is better for that. Smooth sides and shorter grip
Sean Vine buy some spares from HK. I believe they are only $3-4 each panel and $8 for backstraps. Then sand them smooth. You have to call them to get them or pay a premium on HKparts.net who sells them for $9.95 each piece.
is this a serious comment? cannot possible be...
John Wick doesn't have a problem with that gun😀
haha yea before he moved on to Glocks. I wonder how much Glock paid to have him use that Tarin 34 in Wick II?
@@boofingdragon john wick 2 was also subpar compared to the first one, so glock loses out again
John Wick would prefer the p30L (long slide) version cuz it’s what he used in the movie.
@@boofingdragon and then he moved to the TT $4000 2011
@@mikexlr8 he used the L in all 3 movies
I think rhe sig p220 is but i carry thr sk v3 of this and i cant stop thinking about gettiing the longslide model in v1 lem. Im sure ill love it
Nice video. I have the P30SK V1 (LEM) and love it! :)
+Jeff Smith good call! I used to want that one, but I couldn't get past the bevels on the front lol. I loveee how it looks
I have the HK P30 SK v3 and im now wondering if I can get it sent in to get a LEM trigger on it...I know I'm going to go for the LEM trigger (possibly the v4.1 that ive looked at) on the P30 L when i can afford one.
Why do I feel like you were "over reacting" to the stiff trigger pull.
also, I wouldn't stretch your cleanings to anywhere close to that 12,000 round mark. I suggest cleaning the gun after every trip to the range. take care of your HK, and your HK will take care of you.
This is an awesome shoot out
Hey new subscriber! Looking Forward To more videos soon! Happy holidays
Just want to say I'm new to the gun world thanks for all your info
+Julio Colon no problem! Thanks for watching
I want to buy one for sure but i can not decide what version to get ..I go back and forth and watch video after video...for months
deadmoney219 LEM is the way to go on an Hk. Consistent trigger pull, same reset as DA/SA, and a hammer to thumb when reholstering. The exposed hammer is a big plus for me carrying appendix
Got my P30L recently. I am in love with HK pistols.
I absolutely despise Finger Grooves but they’re just perfect on the P30 and VP models. My caveman gorilla hands fit perfectly.
I'm sorry but the elastic band explanation is not correct. LEM DOA trigger is pretensioned when chambered. the second pull on a FTF round has absolutely NO impact on the force of the hammer on the firing pin. It does not increase the strength of the strike at all. It simply has to pre cock (pretension) the trigger as well as cycle the hammer. Not trolling just trying to correct a mis-spoken answer. If H&K customer service told you that nonsense they should be fired. Otherwise if that was true than we would have the ability to select between the tigger weight pull we prefer in that gun....12# or 5.6#.
Good job explaining the differences in the Double/Single Action
+jasonhelio29 thank you :). I watched several videos about it before finally getting annoyed that nobody explained the "dao lem" trigger.
Tritium night sights only last about up to 12-13 years though
I like it, but I do not believe it is striking harder on double action.
Got 2 VP9 so maybe the P30 next since they use same mags. 👍😀 Edit ...got my P30S a few day ago. Jan 4 2020. Crazy for it even after my 3 rd VP9. Only paid $560 new for the P30. But not $850!
Xtech tactical makes magazines for this gun.
Great video brother!
I wonder if HK submitted the p30 for military testing along side the sig because they definitely should've! and the night sights are pretty sweet still because I just bought a brand new glock 17 get 4 and the sights that came with Suck lol
lsk no lackin Too expensive for our military.
I have the L.E.M trigger in my hk45 am it’s a bit hard at first coming from carrying a vp9
But with practice it’s not bad 👍🏻
Which do you prefer between the vp9 trigger VS the LEM?
@@fearnonebutone4977 well to be honest lean more to the vp9 have more trigger time behind it
The L.E.M trigger can be a little though to get use too at first with practice it gets better
This may be my next gun
Thinking about buying this or a G19
Great video!
Vegas step it up .
Get this gun in your stores .. Trying to get this gun cannot find it in Vegas....Help 🥶
love this channel
+Nate Benware thanks! I appreciate hearing that :)
did you ever do a follow up video about your comback? i remember seeing you were going to release one on 2/21, but didn't see one. did i miss it?
love your vids
+Jeff Hastings thank you for saying that. I appreciate you sticking with me :). No I didn't, I probably should have worded it better, but it was more of a "I'll get back to work" on 2/21. Because of your comment, I will do a video detailing what I've been doing :).
All good. Just thought i might have missed something
comment okay I left a comment great Channel thank you for your knowledge and expertise
+Kevin Romas thanks for watching :)
Good review.
Great review sir. I felt the same way when I held the H&K VP9 after renting it at my local shooting range. I almost ran out & bought one the very next day but I really wanted one in a subcompact package for carry. Now someone recently steered me to this firearm saying it is really similar to the VP9 minus the striker fire. How do you compare it to the VP9 ?
+Wally Man is take the p30 all day long!! Now I haven't had a lot of time with the vp9, but after watching military arms channel put it through water, sand, mud and it did not do well. I also noticed while they look similar, the grip and texturing on the frame are not even close! The p30 has soooo much more detail and definition in it. I really wanted to like the vp9, especially at the price.. but there just really is no comparing the two... unfortunately.
It's lighter because it's actually a single action pull. You are explaining it wrong.
The hammer is a two part hammer and the external hammer is only attached to the trigger spring when the internal hammer is cocked, holding the hammer spring in place till the sear breaks it loose and pulls the external to the firing pin. It functions very similarly to a striker fired gun in use but can actually be double action if there's a failure to fire.
The only time this gun is not a single action is if you have a failure to fire and you double strike.
You're welcome.
good review!
I love it
Great gun. You can make it even better with the Grayguns Short Reset Trigger. Just 99.00 and a gunsmith is recommended to install it. Check it out.
German precision at its best
I'm thinking of getting this gun 😊
Gabriel De Leon bass pro shop in baton rouge Louisiana had this gun in 40cal on clearance for $550.... stupid low price. I barely passed it up but i am not a fan of the lem trigger or the 40cal
i'm still curious as to why everyone on youtube needs to PROVE that "it's not loaded". Like my life could be in danger?🧐
One question boss what is the cliff capacity please give me answer comment 9mm pistols cliff some said it is 15 shots what is the exactly and how many shots please I need answer.
thank you boss
HK also makes an extended 17 round mag
Nice vid 704 dead HK looks cool
nice GP today 😎
If the bore axis was lower then maybe.
Cool gun
I still like the Hicham lock bull stomping bramble. It's 21 lbs takes getting used to. But it's easy after u get used to the 75lb triger pull. Beautiful firearm. Swinging Hatchet clidsdal is my second choice.
How's the accuracy as compared to the Sig and the Glock? I would assume at least on par but is it better?
+ksrwhlm for me, I've been shooting glocks for almost 10years, so when I pick one up it almost instinct/muscle memory where I get a general point of aim without even looking at the sights. Sigs, I have to focus a little more but I can be dead on very easy. With the HK p30... it was like a happy medium. Once I figured out where it was aligned to, it was very easy to quickly acquire targets.
great videos where you been?
Maybe in FDE & tan?