I really love these old submachine guns. There's just something very right about the combination of finely machined steel, well finished hardwood, and full auto.
Double Bypass surgery is about to begin. You're about to pass out. Suddenly you hear: "Hello I'm Ian with forgotten weapons. Today we're looking at a human heart. Let's take a closer look." Midly terrifying. Yet strangely safe.
"Today we are looking at Eugene Krabbs innovative but ultimately flawed heart configuration.....................and now I think we see why this layout ultimately didn't supplant......"
"I had taken a closer look at every gun ever made, so I began to take a closer look at people. I once took a closer look at a man's liver with some Fava beans and a nice chianti. f-f-f-f-f."
If he ever does a video on the MAC submachineguns he needs to wear a motorcycle helmet spray-painted black. And after firing it off he should remove the helmet and shake out his luxuriant, flowing locks, because - surprise - the motorcycle assassin is a woman!
When the police detain someone, it's called arrest. When I do it, it's called kidnapping. When the state takes your money, it's called tax. When I do it, it's called theft.
@Zach cash Surely not! You can't imagine any of "our heroes" being in on selling some valuable police property under the table? You can't be implying duplicity in such a bastion of honor and integrity as the NYPD!?! 😎
@Ethan When every second country sheriff department in middle of nowhere have Thompsons, NYPD want to stand out. After hard work they found more expensive gun.
If I took s9meone to the range, I made them coean it. Then Id clean it anyway. I learnt in the army..dt trust anyone to clean you weapon then you know its done right. Stated with me. But, just because thats my motto, dont mean you get off scot free..you still get to clean it 😝
That was some noticeable pressure inconsistencies in the 9x23 rounds. Two of them made the bolt bottom out sharply, while the other two didn't make the bolt bottom out at all. Slow motions are amazing!
@@AaronTrachtman only the second (or first) round tho, i have seen that in the MP18 too. From the third round onward the bolt doesnt reach the back of the receiver. It might be due to the different load of each cartridge.
@@namminh7574 You can also get a long spring to resonate if the conditions are right, you can see/imagine it in slow motion as the coils stacking and running up the length of the spring as it's own weight compresses it after it moves. With that much bolt travel, if that happens it could be worth a pound or two of spring pressure, just have to have the stars aligned just right on any given shot where the "wave" in the spring is moving away from the bolt at the moment of firing.
@@christianweibrecht6555 Selling or scrapping guns in the 20th century (before security cameras were everywhere) tended to result in those guns not being scrapped and being sold to whom the government considered the "wrong people". IE: anyone who isn't being paid by the government to hold a weapon.
To be a massive pedant, it's _eyedness_ as much as _handedness_ . I'm left-handed, so fire pistols with my left hand on the trigger and my right clasped over, but I'm right-eyed, so bring longarms up to my right shoulder.
It definitely look like a fun shooter, i just had to be a smart ass, that being said the m1 is a comfortable shoot as far as I've ever been concerned, a little heavy maybe but not really...
Interesting to see the difference in bolt travel, the 9 was doing exactly what you said, you could see the effect on the gun when it reached full stroke and suddenly stopped, while the .45 you could see the bolt decelerate to a stop and then move forward.
Interestingly, what I noticed more was the jump forward afterwards on the 9mm. Might be overcompensation, but surely, the bolt also travels faster the other direction.
Thanks Ian. I can't understand why so many PCCs only offer 9 mm. I love the .45 over the 9 anyway, but more important is that people love to suppress these guns, and the .45 ACP is a powerful subsonic cartridge in a standard 230 grain loading if you keep barrel length reasonably short. No need to re-zero your weapon or to carry different loadings just because you screwed on or off a suppressor.
Thanks for sharing! It's always great fun to watch someone (who knows what they are doing) explore these rare firearms for those of us who will never get the chance!
Both seem to work great, the bolt looks like it is getting back further on the 9 steyr ammo. I like the nice puff of smoke from the barrel after eatch shot.
I have an astigmatism so I shoot left handed... While I do enjoy the quality of my Stag Arms AR, I would have been just fine spending less money on a more run of the mill gun made for lefty’s, but their are none.
I would have agreed on the left handed statement, but as I sit here, I no choice but to be right handed; left side hemiplegic from a stroke. And yes I was left handed for 52 years.
Double-tapping with .45 is a lot easier with a shoulder stock. If you're practiced with double-tapping a 9mm. The problem with .45 double-taps is the recoil not just of the flying-ash-tray, but also the heavy slide of the typical .45 action. (A Browning slide) I've fired a lot of semi-auto .45 carbines, like the Auto-Ordinance "Thompson" (With the Blish "Lock" taken out, because it basically doesn't do anything.) Likewise, 9mm Carbines, and my Inglis High Power, with and without a shoulder stock. You control the double-tap with a semi-auto, and it really helps to have the shoulder stock. Especially with something like 10mm, or .45 Browning.
@@lairdcummings9092 Okay, just to be clear the M1A you're talking about is the M14? (The civilian market version of the M14) I've never had one, but the recoil on .308/7.62 NATO is an order of magnitude heavier than any pistol caliber carbine, and if you need to double-tap with a battle-rifle, you're better off placing your first shot better.
(The M1A designation can be a little confusing, because they also had the M1 Garand, M1 Carbine, which matches up better with pistol calibers, and "A" versions of just about every model in US inventory.)
@@Psiberzerker Psiberzerker, I can't read minds but Laird may have been referring to M1A1(military full auto) Thompson SMG .45 , not M1A1(civilian semi only) Springfield rifle 7.62nato.There are several versions of Thompson SMG that one or another US military service branches bought. I'm sure I could be wrong but: 1921,1921/28,1928(pre-WW2) & M1 (F.pin part of the bolt) M1A1 (separate F.pin) wartime redesigns.I've never fired any, maybe Laird's fired an M1A1.
The solothurn was already a personal favorite, and now I learn it was also made in .45 acp. Thank you Gun Jesus! Edit: Anyone else get Bioshock Infinite vibes from this?
The higher rate of the fire in the gun in 9 mm Steyr is interesting, I would guess the 9 mm gun may have a lighter bolt than the 45 ACP gun. The recoil impulse of the Steyr cartridge is about 360 ft.lb, that of the 45 ACP is around 430 ft.lb and that of the 9mm Mauser Export (9x25), about 500 ft.lb. I have seen calculations for the required bolt weight for blowback operated SMGs in various calibres and it suggested about 0.8 kg for the 9 mm Para (somewhat more powerful than the 9 mm Steyr) and and around 1.0 to 1.1 kg for both the 45 ACP and the 9mm Mauser Export. It would not surprise me if this gun (45 ACP) used the same bolt as the 9mm Export version, with just the bolt face modified to the larger American cartridge.
Wow. Was in Poland recently and got to shoot an MP-34. So beautifully made (shot a PPsh 41 and PPS 43 as well so the comparison was glaring) and so easily controllable. I wanted to bring THAT one home! 😁
“The magazine is always on the wrong side” UNLESS it’s the lefty holy grail of side-magazine 1930’s SMG’s, the MP-35. I have the bad luck of being right handed, but left-eye dominate so watching Ian lament the lack of lefty-friendly milsurp guns is very cathartic.
Pish-tush! Of course you can *get* them, just not legally! Haven't you seen the stats? Firearms deaths in Blighty skyrocketed after the post-Dunblaine gun ban "got rid of them..." :-/
I've said this a few times and I'll say it again. It's said with the best intentions. You lucky lucky bastard!!!! Or should son of a bachelor be more politically correct? PS. I'm well aware it was hard work and not luck that brought you where you now find yourself. Years from now your name will be brought up with the other legends like Fairbairn, Browning, Chesty Puller, Colt, Luty, Mauser and the Hiram Maxins just to name a few. You've done so much cataloging and recording info guys like myself just can't get enough of. I thank and salute you sir. I hope you'll continue to entertain and inlighten us for many more years. God bless Jesus of the firearm.
1:02. Yeah, the RoF surprised me, for a .45, with a heavy bolt, and a recoil buffer in the firing pin assembly. I was definitely expecting all of that to add up to a much slower RoF.
Hey Ian, I'd love to see a video on the FN P90. Surely not a forgotten weapon, but one with a darn interesting operating mechanism, and I love to see a tear-down.
2:44 ooooh the bolt handle almost bounced into the safety notch... That would have been bad, but also shows that there's plenty of extra bolt travel available. Actually makes me wonder, if some of the open bolt subguns could have a potential for a "low-energy runaway" where there's enough room between the sear engagement point and the back of the magazine that the bolt could be driven only so far by either a sub-par cartridge or a dirty weapon. It would get behind the magazine and strip the round, load it, and have enough punch to fire a soft primer, but never actually travel far enough for the sear to engage and stop the bolt. At least if that ever happens it's not a full speed dump....
Ooooh - I love the concept of a weapon being built for its most high power cartridge, and then using one of lesser power with a resultant improved control. I have in mind a concept for a weapon that will accept both NATO 7.62, in semi-auto and 3-shot burst options, and the capacity to take the shorter round with an extra full auto selection. With a spring that will decelerate the bolt sufficiently to make the higher power cartridge manageable in burst configuration, the smaller round will be easily controlled in whatever setting - it also makes my bolt unlocking mechanism (the core of my design) require far less tolerance than I had envisioned.
You can really tell the difference between the 45 and the 9x19 when he hits the bowling pins. Of course, the old bowling pin shoots were usually won by 45's or something else with some oomph.
That slo-Mo footage is super interesting . The 9mm Steyr ammoo seemed to be very inconstistent, to strokes were impacting the receiver, two, didn't. The 45 just looked very smooth, exactly like a constant recoil system
Oooh, both the .45 and the 9mm in one video - noice! Sadly though, the most important question remained unanswered: Which one is better for pumpkin carving?
Looks like a good design. Not crazy about side mounted mags, but that was the style then. Looks controllable and easy to shoot. That is a boon for any mass issued weapon. Anything that takes a lot of extra training time and ammo to learn to control and use effectively really does not help much. I would love to have a good 45 SMG. Maybe someday when i move to a free state and the Hughes Amendment gets repealed, bringing market prices down to a sensible level. Unlikely, but we can hope. Great video as always. Thank you
If only .460 Rowland existed back in the day. Same overall size as .45 ACP but it hits like .44 magnum, pretty much an ideal cartridge for something like this.
Hi Ian, greetings from an Austrian and a fellow lefty. Love your videos, just wanted to let you know that the S in "Steyr" is pronounced "sh". This is the case with all German words that start with "St" or "Sp".
I wonder how heavy it is that definitely makes a difference in controlabilty with any full auto. And I wonder if it had a newer stiffer spring in it than if it would be a constant recoil. If not put a buffer in it to help.
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I really love these old submachine guns. There's just something very right about the combination of finely machined steel, well finished hardwood, and full auto.
Double Bypass surgery is about to begin. You're about to pass out. Suddenly you hear: "Hello I'm Ian with forgotten weapons. Today we're looking at a human heart. Let's take a closer look."
Midly terrifying. Yet strangely safe.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz right?
"And we're just going to use my plastic punch to get that stent in"
*grabs ballpoint pen*
@@wraithcadmus Then you have Othais with his patented plastic pokey hand pointing out all the restrictions in your arteries.
"Today we are looking at Eugene Krabbs innovative but ultimately flawed heart configuration.....................and now I think we see why this layout ultimately didn't supplant......"
"I had taken a closer look at every gun ever made, so I began to take a closer look at people. I once took a closer look at a man's liver with some Fava beans and a nice chianti. f-f-f-f-f."
If you put your mind into it, you can do almost anything, little Timmy. Even fire a Steyr MP-34 on target!
Lol
Except move your arm or leg when you’re paralyzed,Tekno.
You put a ! Instead of a ? At the end of your question,
Well by the looks of that, little Timmy probably also needs to put his shoulder into it.
Good joke 😂
I love that Ian always travels with period appropriate hats so he has them at the ready for range footage. ;)
If he ever does a video on the MAC submachineguns he needs to wear a motorcycle helmet spray-painted black. And after firing it off he should remove the helmet and shake out his luxuriant, flowing locks, because - surprise - the motorcycle assassin is a woman!
Bag 1: camera gear. Bag 2: clothing and other necessities. Bag 3: hats.
He should have had a NYPD patrol man's visored cap. Or a Chilean picklehelmet
A standard of 80s action movies attempting to be edgy
Hoping he will have a CH252 helmet when he reviews the covenant plasma rifle.
This lad has the best job in the world.
When the NYPD throws automatic weapons into the ocean, its disposing of outdated stock. When I do it, its disposing of "evidence".
When the police detain someone, it's called arrest. When I do it, it's called kidnapping.
When the state takes your money, it's called tax. When I do it, it's called theft.
@Zach cash
Surely not! You can't imagine any of "our heroes" being in on selling some valuable police property under the table?
You can't be implying duplicity in such a bastion of honor and integrity as the NYPD!?!
😎
@Ethan When every second country sheriff department in middle of nowhere have Thompsons, NYPD want to stand out. After hard work they found more expensive gun.
@@kimmoj2570 They needed an excuse to skimp on training funds, and more things to unnecessarily escalate situations.
reminds me of an urbandictionary definition for the NYPD, "the biggest gang in the world"
I've never clicked on a notification quicker than this one, been looking forward to this since yesterday.
I think the surprise guest made it really interesting.
Well Ian, the SMG for the 10% who are left handed came a year after this one. The MP-35. Made just for you, and anyone else who is left handed.
@NerfBeard ' Last time I checked all the left handed people I have known were normal.
@NerfBeard ' If you check enough variables, nobody is normal.
@NerfBeard ' Do you... Do you not know what left handed means?
Does Morphy make you clean the guns you shoot? Just curious.
Nope - and that's the best part. :)
@@ForgottenWeapons That might be a selling point! "See? It worked"
I was wondering the same thing, kinda a pointless knowledge item though
If I took s9meone to the range, I made them coean it. Then Id clean it anyway. I learnt in the army..dt trust anyone to clean you weapon then you know its done right. Stated with me. But, just because thats my motto, dont mean you get off scot free..you still get to clean it 😝
They likely sell them dirty. Personnel are very busy in the weeks prior to auction and will have no time for that.
Perhaps a strange thing to say but I love how this sounds! Chunky slow rate of fire with a pleasant crack compared to the piercing snap of 9mm
@NerfBeard ' yknow what I would love some gun asmr lol. Pleasant mechanical clacking noises are amazing
That was some noticeable pressure inconsistencies in the 9x23 rounds. Two of them made the bolt bottom out sharply, while the other two didn't make the bolt bottom out at all. Slow motions are amazing!
The 9mm Steyr definitely looked like it was bottoming out in the high speed, the .45 ACP wasn't even getting close to bottoming out.
Did you also notice the big difference round on round between individual cartridges?
So they already got constant recoil (might be unintentionally) in 1934 (in 1918 if you also count the MP 18)
Watch again. The .45 bottoms out after the second round.
@@AaronTrachtman only the second (or first) round tho, i have seen that in the MP18 too. From the third round onward the bolt doesnt reach the back of the receiver. It might be due to the different load of each cartridge.
@@namminh7574 You can also get a long spring to resonate if the conditions are right, you can see/imagine it in slow motion as the coils stacking and running up the length of the spring as it's own weight compresses it after it moves. With that much bolt travel, if that happens it could be worth a pound or two of spring pressure, just have to have the stars aligned just right on any given shot where the "wave" in the spring is moving away from the bolt at the moment of firing.
Scary Halloween story by Gun Jesus: "And NYPD dumped them to ocean."
And we would have gotten hold of them too if it weren't for those meddling litterers
I wonder if the mob pulled them out a day after. That's what I would do if I were them.
Now I'm curious to why would they dump guns into the ocean instead of selling or scrapping them?
Were they trying to determine if fish can use guns?
@@christianweibrecht6555 Selling or scrapping guns in the 20th century (before security cameras were everywhere) tended to result in those guns not being scrapped and being sold to whom the government considered the "wrong people". IE: anyone who isn't being paid by the government to hold a weapon.
@@Dang_Near_Fed_Up Except that scuba gear is a post ww2 invention...
"always on the wrong side for a left hander"
The problem is your hands are on the wrong side.
Well, it wouldn't help him if he switched hands. I mean, if your right hand is attached to your left arm, it's not gonna help ;-)
Those clever Germans would have just happily have sold him an MP35.
@@spoeny We don't know for sure.
To be a massive pedant, it's _eyedness_ as much as _handedness_ . I'm left-handed, so fire pistols with my left hand on the trigger and my right clasped over, but I'm right-eyed, so bring longarms up to my right shoulder.
@@wraithcadmus -- So not only are your hands on the wrong side, you're eyes are on the wrong side too.
So much better shooting than a Thompson. I am prepared for the flogging I will soon be receiving for saying this.
Hickory or oak switch?
It looks like it does
I've fired a Thompson M1A1; I'm going to have to agree.
It sprays .45 ACP. Don't care what it looks like. It goes dakka-dakka-dakka! What else matters?
It definitely look like a fun shooter, i just had to be a smart ass, that being said the m1 is a comfortable shoot as far as I've ever been concerned, a little heavy maybe but not really...
Interesting to see the difference in bolt travel, the 9 was doing exactly what you said, you could see the effect on the gun when it reached full stroke and suddenly stopped, while the .45 you could see the bolt decelerate to a stop and then move forward.
Interestingly, what I noticed more was the jump forward afterwards on the 9mm. Might be overcompensation, but surely, the bolt also travels faster the other direction.
"I don't know that I have anything more to say, I just want to do some more shooting with this."
Everyone: **nods knowingly**
"When you have to shoot, shoot - don't talk".
I love watching the smoke leave the end of the barrel when the bolt opens.
That has to be my favorite inter-war SMG!
“A whomping big 45 auto” - the ghost of Jeff Cooper awakens...
"I dont know that I have anything more to say, I just wanna keep shooting this thing"
That's when you know you found a good one.
What a great looking, and great shooting gun!
Thanks Ian. I can't understand why so many PCCs only offer 9 mm. I love the .45 over the 9 anyway, but more important is that people love to suppress these guns, and the .45 ACP is a powerful subsonic cartridge in a standard 230 grain loading if you keep barrel length reasonably short. No need to re-zero your weapon or to carry different loadings just because you screwed on or off a suppressor.
The way Ian leaned back on that first burst
"Higher rate of fire than I expected!"
That thing must be MIGHTY
Thanks for sharing! It's always great fun to watch someone (who knows what they are doing) explore these rare firearms for those of us who will never get the chance!
Both seem to work great, the bolt looks like it is getting back further on the 9 steyr ammo.
I like the nice puff of smoke from the barrel after eatch shot.
I'm left handed too. There's at least 2 of us.
Proof that everything should be made left handed.
I have an astigmatism so I shoot left handed... While I do enjoy the quality of my Stag Arms AR, I would have been just fine spending less money on a more run of the mill gun made for lefty’s, but their are none.
3 of us. Lol. Proudly left handed, left footed, and left eyed.
I would have agreed on the left handed statement, but as I sit here, I no choice but to be right handed; left side hemiplegic from a stroke. And yes I was left handed for 52 years.
I'm left handed too 😊
Excellent video, as usual. The slow motion shots of the weapon in action is much appreciated, thank you.
I'm glad you were able to compare to the 9 Steyr model on camera. The 9 did look more active in recoil.
God, that’s so satisfying to see and hear. And the rotation of those cartridges, oh man.
I am from Finland and I started to watch Your weapon videos since I bought Left 4 Dead 1&2 from Steam in Spring 2020.
Ian is the claypool of firearms. Happy Halloween
Me likes. Controllable, and the rate of fire is low enough you can easily get double taps (in .45acp).
Double-tapping with .45 is a lot easier with a shoulder stock. If you're practiced with double-tapping a 9mm. The problem with .45 double-taps is the recoil not just of the flying-ash-tray, but also the heavy slide of the typical .45 action. (A Browning slide) I've fired a lot of semi-auto .45 carbines, like the Auto-Ordinance "Thompson" (With the Blish "Lock" taken out, because it basically doesn't do anything.) Likewise, 9mm Carbines, and my Inglis High Power, with and without a shoulder stock. You control the double-tap with a semi-auto, and it really helps to have the shoulder stock. Especially with something like 10mm, or .45 Browning.
@@Psiberzerker the trigger on the M1A is pretty damn heavy, but it resets quick. On and off, on and off - two shots reliably each time.
@@lairdcummings9092 Okay, just to be clear the M1A you're talking about is the M14? (The civilian market version of the M14) I've never had one, but the recoil on .308/7.62 NATO is an order of magnitude heavier than any pistol caliber carbine, and if you need to double-tap with a battle-rifle, you're better off placing your first shot better.
(The M1A designation can be a little confusing, because they also had the M1 Garand, M1 Carbine, which matches up better with pistol calibers, and "A" versions of just about every model in US inventory.)
@@Psiberzerker Psiberzerker, I can't read minds but Laird may have been referring to M1A1(military full auto) Thompson SMG .45 , not M1A1(civilian semi only) Springfield rifle 7.62nato.There are several versions of Thompson SMG that one or another US military service branches bought. I'm sure I could be wrong but: 1921,1921/28,1928(pre-WW2) & M1 (F.pin part of the bolt) M1A1 (separate F.pin) wartime redesigns.I've never fired any, maybe Laird's fired an M1A1.
The ones with the inbuilt stripper clip feeds are some of the most beautifully overmachined guns I've ever seen.
the slow mo smoke from barrel towards the end was legit
3:25 My first thought was that he would dualwield.
Kinda disappointed, honestly.
Yes, YES. So much yes! :DDD
The solothurn was already a personal favorite, and now I learn it was also made in .45 acp. Thank you Gun Jesus!
Edit: Anyone else get Bioshock Infinite vibes from this?
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine REPLICA TIME!!
Thank you morphys and thank you Ian. I liked the 45.
Man, that looks like such a fun gun to shoot. Would be nice to get my hands on one some day. Thanks for the content man!
The higher rate of the fire in the gun in 9 mm Steyr is interesting, I would guess the 9 mm gun may have a lighter bolt than the 45 ACP gun. The recoil impulse of the Steyr cartridge is about 360 ft.lb, that of the 45 ACP is around 430 ft.lb and that of the 9mm Mauser Export (9x25), about 500 ft.lb. I have seen calculations for the required bolt weight for blowback operated SMGs in various calibres and it suggested about 0.8 kg for the 9 mm Para (somewhat more powerful than the 9 mm Steyr) and and around 1.0 to 1.1 kg for both the 45 ACP and the 9mm Mauser Export. It would not surprise me if this gun (45 ACP) used the same bolt as the 9mm Export version, with just the bolt face modified to the larger American cartridge.
Wow. Was in Poland recently and got to shoot an MP-34. So beautifully made (shot a PPsh 41 and PPS 43 as well so the comparison was glaring) and so easily controllable. I wanted to bring THAT one home! 😁
“The magazine is always on the wrong side” UNLESS it’s the lefty holy grail of side-magazine 1930’s SMG’s, the MP-35.
I have the bad luck of being right handed, but left-eye dominate so watching Ian lament the lack of lefty-friendly milsurp guns is very cathartic.
I think Larry Vickers is the same, if it makes you feel better.
Hi Ian!
The Elbonia T shirt finally made it through Swedish customs.......
And it`s here!
I will wear it with pride
Cheers!
This looks surprisingly pleasant to shoot.
Loving the interwar smg’s your showing off!
The MP-34 has been my favourite SMG since I discovered it in Far Cry 4, shame I can't get them over here in the UK...
Pish-tush! Of course you can *get* them, just not legally! Haven't you seen the stats? Firearms deaths in Blighty skyrocketed after the post-Dunblaine gun ban "got rid of them..." :-/
I have a deac MP34 in the UK
@@nunyabidniz2868 Well it wouldn't surprise me, a case of the government penalising safe owners and not getting rid of the problem...
@@canigetanoorah They look lovely, but dor me a Deac would feel a bit wrong
I've said this a few times and I'll say it again. It's said with the best intentions.
You lucky lucky bastard!!!! Or should son of a bachelor be more politically correct?
PS. I'm well aware it was hard work and not luck that brought you where you now find yourself.
Years from now your name will be brought up with the other legends like Fairbairn, Browning, Chesty Puller, Colt, Luty, Mauser and the Hiram Maxins just to name a few.
You've done so much cataloging and recording info guys like myself just can't get enough of.
I thank and salute you sir. I hope you'll continue to entertain and inlighten us for many more years.
God bless Jesus of the firearm.
1:02. Yeah, the RoF surprised me, for a .45, with a heavy bolt, and a recoil buffer in the firing pin assembly. I was definitely expecting all of that to add up to a much slower RoF.
Hey Ian, I'd love to see a video on the FN P90. Surely not a forgotten weapon, but one with a darn interesting operating mechanism, and I love to see a tear-down.
2:44 ooooh the bolt handle almost bounced into the safety notch... That would have been bad, but also shows that there's plenty of extra bolt travel available.
Actually makes me wonder, if some of the open bolt subguns could have a potential for a "low-energy runaway" where there's enough room between the sear engagement point and the back of the magazine that the bolt could be driven only so far by either a sub-par cartridge or a dirty weapon. It would get behind the magazine and strip the round, load it, and have enough punch to fire a soft primer, but never actually travel far enough for the sear to engage and stop the bolt. At least if that ever happens it's not a full speed dump....
Good comparison and that 45 looks very controllable.
Finally. A variant that uses .45 ACP bullets.... Thank you Forgotten Weapons for uploading it.
Interesting to see they also did away with the magazine loading feature on the magazine well for the .45 version.
Ammunition shortage:
Ian: I only have a little bit of 9x23mm Steyr ammo *fires a whole mag in full auto bursts*
This gun sounds just like a well designed full auto soundeffect they would use in a movie.
I like the little rear sight "flip" on the 45.... lol
Ooooh - I love the concept of a weapon being built for its most high power cartridge, and then using one of lesser power with a resultant improved control. I have in mind a concept for a weapon that will accept both NATO 7.62, in semi-auto and 3-shot burst options, and the capacity to take the shorter round with an extra full auto selection. With a spring that will decelerate the bolt sufficiently to make the higher power cartridge manageable in burst configuration, the smaller round will be easily controlled in whatever setting - it also makes my bolt unlocking mechanism (the core of my design) require far less tolerance than I had envisioned.
Some Forgotten Weapons videos make me smarter, some make me jealous as hell. That looked like SO much fun.
Wow, seeing the slowmo of the .45 ACP an 9mm Steyr you can really see how the MP-34 in .45 really is a de facto constant recoil gun.
Dammit, now I want to see Gun Jesus (grace us with your esoteric knowledge) dual wielding a pair of MP-34s....
You need a "hollywood magazine" these who never run out of ammo until the story needs it.
Man, I've been lookin' for a place to get those for years.
your overcompensation for recoil at the start (who wouldnt? its a .45) really illustrates how smooth this shoots.
Ps. I totally forgot you were lefty. my mind blew away when you firing this unique smg weapon.
To quote Jack Nicolson playing the Joker in the 1989 movie Batman
'Where does he get all these marvelous toys'
Cheers
Wow, I think I found my perfect subgun. I love my .45 AR-15 carbine but this is next level glory with wood and class!
that buffer on the firing pin assembly probably does a lot of work too
You can really tell the difference between the 45 and the 9x19 when he hits the bowling pins. Of course, the old bowling pin shoots were usually won by 45's or something else with some oomph.
Thank you , Ian .
That slo-Mo footage is super interesting . The 9mm Steyr ammoo seemed to be very inconstistent, to strokes were impacting the receiver, two, didn't. The 45 just looked very smooth, exactly like a constant recoil system
The sinister boy with ALL the exotic toys to play with! 😁
Was this specific variant used in the Gran Chaco War?
For a brief moment I thought Ian was going to say the only way to tell the difference between the two would be to fire both at once.
Looks heavy - and I guess that actually aids the control of the gun. It doesn't look like it bounces around too much.
You gotta respect those early smg's. They seem to run so smooth.
God, i love the rate of fire on the .45 for some reason
Oooh, both the .45 and the 9mm in one video - noice! Sadly though, the most important question remained unanswered: Which one is better for pumpkin carving?
Looks like a good design. Not crazy about side mounted mags, but that was the style then. Looks controllable and easy to shoot. That is a boon for any mass issued weapon. Anything that takes a lot of extra training time and ammo to learn to control and use effectively really does not help much. I would love to have a good 45 SMG. Maybe someday when i move to a free state and the Hughes Amendment gets repealed, bringing market prices down to a sensible level. Unlikely, but we can hope. Great video as always. Thank you
I'd like to see a video discussing the pros/cons of side-feed mags vs. bottom or top feed.
Been watching you for years and just realised your a lefty like me, reason probably being distracted by the weapon
NEAT - you know that sucker is going to sale for big-bucks, thanks for sharing!
A box of rare ammunition will make a great birthday gift for Ian.
I love shooting the M35 Bergman because I am a southpaw too ....magazine on the right side of the receiver .
For some reason Gun Jesus looks a lot like a young Les Claypool in this video. Expected him to launch into a gnarly bass solo at any moment.
There was a special production run of HK M5's in 10mm for the FBI. I would love to shoot one of those someday.
FW with every intro: "Hey guys! Thanks for tuning in to another episode of Forgottenweapons.Com"
Me mentally to myself: "you are welcome =)"
I guess I never realized you were a left handed shooter. I feel your pain
I love how he's left handed. Make me feel better when I complain about guns being odd to use.
does Ian's resume just consist of all the rare sub machineguns he's fired over the years?
The perfect gun for the Zombie Apocalypse
Ohhhh... so there's still hope that Ian also did a shooting video of that ankle-holster-version of the Tankgewehr... :D
Happy Halloween!
Forgotten Weapons new official unit of measurement: "Whomping Big"
That does look like a fun shoot to be sure...
If only .460 Rowland existed back in the day. Same overall size as .45 ACP but it hits like .44 magnum, pretty much an ideal cartridge for something like this.
i guess the spookyness of this for halloween is that it is better that expected?
They DID build around almost all reciprocating charging handles for lefties tho! :-P
Hi I am Ian McCollum and your watching "Forgotten Weapons. Com, today I will be shooting the ONLY 45. Cal MP-34 in the United States of America. 😎👍
I was hoping to see Ian in a boat hauling up the MP-34s ditched by the NYPD! :D
Hi Ian, greetings from an Austrian and a fellow lefty. Love your videos, just wanted to let you know that the S in "Steyr" is pronounced "sh". This is the case with all German words that start with "St" or "Sp".
I wonder how heavy it is that definitely makes a difference in controlabilty with any full auto. And I wonder if it had a newer stiffer spring in it than if it would be a constant recoil. If not put a buffer in it to help.