The fact the Spanish mags wouldn't fire in the German EMP does support Ian's repeated mantra of how the magazine is one of if not the most important part to get right for a submachine gun. It might look right, it might even fit mostly right, but that subtle difference in the space and the feed lips makes all the difference.
Well, to be fair, a lot of people don't recognize the German Inter-war SMGs, because they weren't supposed to make them. So, there was a bit of secrecy around them at the time. A lot of them were "Swiss" or "Austrian" SMGs, just to keep things secret.
Iain somewhere in a Central American jungle. "We hit nothing!" Spanish magazine replies, "I ain't got time to feed!" Nice video, do like that style of submachinegun, the Sterling Lanchester with its brass magazine housing being my favourite.
Sorry to correct you, but the Lanchester has nothing to do with the Sterling. It's a copy from the MP28, made slightly before WW2. The Sterling came after the STEN, which was a simplification of the Lanchester.
@@davidresetarits5616 Yes I know its basically a copy of the MP28. Designed by George Lanchester and manufactured by The Sterling Engineering Company Ltd. Sterling was an arms manufacturer based in Dagenham, famous for manufacturing the L2A3 (the 'Sterling submachine gun'), ArmaLite AR-18 and Sterling SAR-87 assault rifles and parts of Jaguar cars. The company went bankrupt in 1988. During World War II, engineers George Lanchester and George William Patchett oversaw the manufacture of the Lanchester submachine gun. Patchett afterwards went on to design the Patchett machine carbine which, after a competitive trial in 1947, was adopted by the British Army in 1953 as the L2A1 Sterling sub-machine gun, replacing the Sten gun. The weapon was later upgraded to the L2A3, the Sterling Mk IV. So refered to as the Sterling Lanchester.
I own both lanchester and the emp. Hands down gotta give it to the emp! Aesthetically the emp is more stream lined and appealing. The lanchester feels so heavy in hand. You know your shouldering something when your holding up a steel/brass smg with a 50 rnd mag hanging off it's left side!
His patreon members get to see his video upwards of 30 days before it posted for us to see. It has happened in the past were a link or the video is posted early.
Who is the one disliker? Like, who got to the end of the educational video, liked it enough to click the link to tomorrow and watch the fun shooting video, and then just think "no, I didn't like that."?
It may well be along the lines of what I do when I get a video I don't want in my recommends - I mark it as 'Don't like' in both my feed and on the video. I have a never ending fight against certain types of channels appearing in my feed and flipping across to them and marking 'Dislike' without watching them is an extra way to clue 'The Algorithm' in to the fact that you don't want them in your feed. Alternatively it may be a fan of FW who wants to clue Ian on to the fact that they don't like Range videos. I must admit that I'm more into the cool mechanics and history than the actual shooting, not everybody like the range shoots and using the Like/Dislike mechanism is one way to communicate this to Ian.
@@E5rael C# and Db aren't one and the same - they are just enharmonic. If you have a C-major scale, it would be possible to flat the second note to get C-major-b9, yet nobody would call this note C#.
Right at the end of the presentation video when Ian said he´s going to shoot the Erma tomorrow I only saw the end card for a second because I clicked on a different video an was like: "Wait a minute I need to see that again". Seems like I found a time machine...
Edc-202 for people using the yt app, this video was linked at the end of the previous video about the mechanical workings of the EMP ( so it could be watched before it was scheduled to release ).
If you look at around 1:08 Ian rolls the gun to the right a bit while talking and you can see then hear a loaded cartridge fall out of the ejection port. A spent casing wouldn't make a thud when it hits the ground. That may be what caused the first malfunction.
I heard the ammunition "sputter" with the final burst in the mag (6:35) and I was surprised you didn't mention anything. Only to have the end of the video perfectly explain it, love you gun jesus!
Watching Ian fumble around with a firearm on occasion, and with him being the firearms expert that he undeniably is, makes me feel better when I fumble around with one of my firearms. Thank you, Ian, You are a saint.
Found you in the website days and stayed because your a lefty. And you cater the goofy right handers because of your love of the history. And I thank you.
Hi, Ian. I am happy to see you shooting the gun I saw yesterday, which I liked. Now that I have seen it shot, I like it more. The balance seems very nice. Neither too much recoil nor barrel rise. I still like the woodwork, including the funky forward grip. I wonder if there is a workaround for the magazine that jams. That is a pity. I see this as just a fun gun to shoot. Thanks for sharing! Stay healthy! Peace! Love! Charity! PS. The new ammo works great!
this video was incredible i had a good laugh "that's a neat and unusual malfunction" that's the first time i've ever heard that line lol this gun looks super fun to shoot i love the ppsh looking guns, the sound is awesome, also super interesting about the ammo sound i never would have noticed that
I have the same Mag lip problem using Owen mags in an Uzi...the Owen's angled feed differs from Uzi straight feed, so mag lips need modification NOT mentioning removal of rear ejector tooth on Owen Mag, and mag stop, and millingnew Mag latch hole of
All of these sub guns with proper wooden stocks are some of the greatest things. Light and pointy, easy to hold and use. As long as they feed and fire reliably it's hard to find a bad one.
@ForgottenWeapons Would the "police safety" be strong enough to stop the bolt going forward under spring pressure if it was resting on the sear? So you could carry it ready to fire, but mitigate the risk of an accidental discharge?
I was wondering the same thing during the disassembly portion of the table top video actually. Though I actually think the length of the bolt means the front face is still forward of the safety, meaning you would be unable to put it into the "Safe" position at all when the bolt is to the rear, since there's no cutout for it.
Even if it were possible, you are negating one of the main reasons for the Police Safety in the first place - keeping the ejection port closed off, to stop dirt etc, entering the gun.
@@jcorbett9620 I am aware of that, and I agree with you, that preventing the ingress of dirt and debris into the action is important. However, if we are to assume this weapon to be intended for right-handed operation as was standard for most military/police organisations of the time, it seems more practical, from my admittedly limited vantage point, to flip that safety switch with your left index or middle finger and have the bolt resting on the sear, so that you are immediately ready to fire, instead of racking the bolt. And as Ian has said in his tabletop video on this piece, it was designed before stamping was widely used in arms manufacturing, so perhaps a flat, spring-loaded dustcover was not seen as a reasonable option.
There is nowhere for the safety to go. If you look at the bolt in the disassembly video you see that there is a cutout for the safety to rotate into. No such thing for that on the front of the bolt.
@@comradecosmonaut7746 I thought the bolt retracts far enough back, so you could engage the "police safety" in front of the boltface, thereby preventing it from chambering a cartridge (and immediately fire it, fixed firing pin and all).
I always remember this SMG from the movie "Papillon", the French troops marching the prisoners at the beginning were armed with these, walking backwards. It also seemed to be a favorite of the most unsavory elements of German security troops, SS police, etc.
Hola Ian , para que te valiese para el ERMA original , deberias usar los del ERMA Valenciano , puesto que el fabricado en Valencia durante la guerra civil Española , lo era en calibre 9mm Parabellum , luego al comenzar la fabricacion del subfusil Coruña , se utilizaron muchas piezas del ERMA Valenciano, incluso los cargadores a los que se les estampo una chapa para hacer el hueco mas grande y asi que valieran para el 9mm Largo , el cargador que tenias del Coruña , no suele valer para el ERMA , las dimensiones del brocal no son iguales .Saludos desde España
the experiment with the Spanish mag reminds me of when I tried to convert my yugo tokarev to 9mm using parts from various takes on the 9mm tokarev. I could probably get it to fire but it would definitely jam on the next round due to using 7.62 mags that don't feed right.
Hi Ian, in fact, the Coruña 1941/44 had a model in 9pb, the magazines has got the spacer, and look so similar to this Erma EMP magazine. If you can fit a standard Spanish 9L, these in 9pb easily too
The ad that usually ends the video played BEFORE Ian's PSA. I feel tricked, betrayed, and quite possibly bamboozled. Meh. A trick AND a treat in the run-up to Halloween !
The extra work to make that integral wooden front grip is a nice nod to ergonomics by the engineers who had to actually figure out the milling machine.
Just a little more rearward bolt travel, slightly stronger recoil spring, or slightly weaker ammo might keep that bolt from making contact at the rear. Looks nice.
Now that's a true firearms expert, describing the cyclic rate as brum, brumm, brumm, brum, brum. I hope you don't mind if I use that technical jargon myself some day :)
Like a wonky micro roni for a tec 9, that lays it over on it's side, like a foot farther away from you than it needs to be. The most opposite of a bullpup conversion possible.
At 1.13 you were saying about the empty cartridge being held by the ejector, but at 1.08 when you have paused firing and you rotated the gun right an empty cartridge fell out possibly indicating what was about to happen.
Middle of firefight:
Where is my cover fire!?!
Ian; Well, that's a neat and unusual malfunction
Worst. Firefight. EVER!
Middle of firefight:
Ian "Let's try a a Spanish magazine in this thing."
2:30
2:40
2:56
3:16
Goodness me, is it tommorow already? How time flies!
Welcome!
I know right! 2020 is weird lol
Yes, yes it is!
When you're having fun!!
The future is now, old man!
The fact the Spanish mags wouldn't fire in the German EMP does support Ian's repeated mantra of how the magazine is one of if not the most important part to get right for a submachine gun. It might look right, it might even fit mostly right, but that subtle difference in the space and the feed lips makes all the difference.
Only Ian can get away with the line: "That's a NEAT, and unusual malfunction" 😜👍😊👍
Better then a wardrobe malfunction
Well, to be fair, a lot of people don't recognize the German Inter-war SMGs, because they weren't supposed to make them. So, there was a bit of secrecy around them at the time. A lot of them were "Swiss" or "Austrian" SMGs, just to keep things secret.
Well, they WERE Swiss and Austrian, just made by an entirely German group of designers. I swear they totally didn’t break the Versailles treaty.
Keeping things in secret a la Bob Ross ☺️😹, "shhhh..... Let's keep this a secret 😉."
Welcome to the world of Tomorrow!!!!
YEAH ! :D
This is the weapon of Sky Captain and the world of Tomorrow!
"Why do you always have to say it that way...?"
@@nemilyk "A little something called showmanship."
@@H_412 "Shut up, Terry..."
Iain somewhere in a Central American jungle. "We hit nothing!"
Spanish magazine replies, "I ain't got time to feed!"
Nice video, do like that style of submachinegun, the Sterling Lanchester with its brass magazine housing being my favourite.
Sorry to correct you, but the Lanchester has nothing to do with the Sterling. It's a copy from the MP28, made slightly before WW2. The Sterling came after the STEN, which was a simplification of the Lanchester.
@@davidresetarits5616 Yes I know its basically a copy of the MP28.
Designed by George Lanchester and manufactured by The Sterling Engineering Company Ltd. Sterling was an arms manufacturer based in Dagenham, famous for manufacturing the L2A3 (the 'Sterling submachine gun'), ArmaLite AR-18 and Sterling SAR-87 assault rifles and parts of Jaguar cars. The company went bankrupt in 1988.
During World War II, engineers George Lanchester and George William Patchett oversaw the manufacture of the Lanchester submachine gun. Patchett afterwards went on to design the Patchett machine carbine which, after a competitive trial in 1947, was adopted by the British Army in 1953 as the L2A1 Sterling sub-machine gun, replacing the Sten gun. The weapon was later upgraded to the L2A3, the Sterling Mk IV.
So refered to as the Sterling Lanchester.
@@artmallory970 Haha, yup, was laughing when he pointed out that he didn't hit the bowling pins and earlier about the magazine feed problems.
I'm gunna have me some fun... I'm gunna have me some fun!!!
I own both lanchester and the emp. Hands down gotta give it to the emp! Aesthetically the emp is more stream lined and appealing. The lanchester feels so heavy in hand. You know your shouldering something when your holding up a steel/brass smg with a 50 rnd mag hanging off it's left side!
Imagine if you will, a link on a RUclips video that transports you 24 hours into the future...... nice
@Romal Sawma And then imagine seeing the date on the video, which was put up almost a month ago ;) Mind BLOWN! :D
I somehow missed the link
@@63Hayden Well you're here now, and that's all that matters :)
I love when he puts the link in early for the quick eyed and quicker handed
His patreon members get to see his video upwards of 30 days before it posted for us to see. It has happened in the past were a link or the video is posted early.
"Distinctive for its funky, vertical, wooden front grip"
Fedorov: Am I a joke to you?
Otherwise known as the "Dong grip"
you have problem with romanian dong?
@Glühfunke romanian dong is best dong.
Ian is so wholesome that I actually feel kind of dirty watching this the day before I'm "allowed"
What?
@@joeboom0697 I know what he is talking about now
@@theultimateshadowgunmercen751 what is he talking about then
@@joeboom0697 he has joined forgotten weapons so he gets to watch it early
@@joeboom0697 he "time traveled" so he watched it before everyone else
All well, i will watch it tomorrow again.
7:31 and 8:40 if you want to listen to the different quality of ammunition sounds.
What an amazing shooter, to be able to aim between the pins, without hitting any.
"Neat and unusual malfunction" Is this Ian's version of "Happy little accidents"?
Who is the one disliker? Like, who got to the end of the educational video, liked it enough to click the link to tomorrow and watch the fun shooting video, and then just think "no, I didn't like that."?
Time cops
It's the hat. 😝
Someone who wanted to shoot it.
The simplest explanation is the most likely. Probably a mis-click.
It may well be along the lines of what I do when I get a video I don't want in my recommends - I mark it as 'Don't like' in both my feed and on the video. I have a never ending fight against certain types of channels appearing in my feed and flipping across to them and marking 'Dislike' without watching them is an extra way to clue 'The Algorithm' in to the fact that you don't want them in your feed.
Alternatively it may be a fan of FW who wants to clue Ian on to the fact that they don't like Range videos. I must admit that I'm more into the cool mechanics and history than the actual shooting, not everybody like the range shoots and using the Like/Dislike mechanism is one way to communicate this to Ian.
"Hello, I'd like some ammunition."
"Certainly sir. What calibre?"
"C-Sharp and D-Flat Major please?"
Not sure if intentional but C sharp and D flat are one and the same. xD Just two different ways of calling the note.
@@E5rael .223 and 5.56 then
@@E5rael Well it's always polite to give your ammunition supplier options, as @Christopher has perfectly demonstrated... :-)
@@thesturm8686 Perfect reply :-)
@@E5rael C# and Db aren't one and the same - they are just enharmonic.
If you have a C-major scale, it would be possible to flat the second note to get C-major-b9, yet nobody would call this note C#.
Right at the end of the presentation video when Ian said he´s going to shoot the Erma tomorrow I only saw the end card for a second because I clicked on a different video an was like: "Wait a minute I need to see that again". Seems like I found a time machine...
Did the exact same thing 🤣🤣
@@viperscot1 me too
Also, thank you Gun Jesus for demonstrating us the difference between the good and bad ammunition by the consistencies in the sound when firing.
All of us that are here are absolutely crazily magnificantly big brain. Our genius can not be comprehended
outstanding move
Absolutely!
Indeed
Bigly
Yes Russia brain da
I like time-travelling with Ian!
tomorrow today
But how?
Edc-202 for people using the yt app, this video was linked at the end of the previous video about the mechanical workings of the EMP ( so it could be watched before it was scheduled to release ).
The enthusiasm for firearms is genuine from start to finish.
I was looking for erma shooting footage in youtube yesterday and didn't find any but today i finally found one that actually shoots thanks Ian
If you look at around 1:08 Ian rolls the gun to the right a bit while talking and you can see then hear a loaded cartridge fall out of the ejection port. A spent casing wouldn't make a thud when it hits the ground. That may be what caused the first malfunction.
The ending sure was fascinating!
I heard the ammunition "sputter" with the final burst in the mag (6:35) and I was surprised you didn't mention anything. Only to have the end of the video perfectly explain it, love you gun jesus!
Watching Ian fumble around with a firearm on occasion, and with him being the firearms expert that he undeniably is, makes me feel better when I fumble around with one of my firearms. Thank you, Ian, You are a saint.
Found you in the website days and stayed because your a lefty. And you cater the goofy right handers because of your love of the history. And I thank you.
You employ total reality in your work and analysis and that is a learning, thank you. And keep up in good spirit.
Love the audio signature bit. Interesting.
Everybody bragging about watching this a day early forgot one thing.
It's now today, I have a *new* Forgotten Weapons video to watch, and they do not.
That little tidbit at the end is part of what makes FW so much fun
Hi, Ian. I am happy to see you shooting the gun I saw yesterday, which I liked. Now that I have seen it shot, I like it more. The balance seems very nice. Neither too much recoil nor barrel rise.
I still like the woodwork, including the funky forward grip. I wonder if there is a workaround for the magazine that jams. That is a pity. I see this as just a fun gun to shoot. Thanks for sharing! Stay healthy! Peace! Love! Charity! PS. The new ammo works great!
The Ending was spectacular.
this video was incredible i had a good laugh "that's a neat and unusual malfunction" that's the first time i've ever heard that line lol this gun looks super fun to shoot i love the ppsh looking guns, the sound is awesome, also super interesting about the ammo sound i never would have noticed that
"interesting malfunction" does a cool lil flip throw of the mag. That was pretty slick Ian
Too bad Ian didn't read out the lottery numbers.
Secret FW clubhouse.
Ian is well qualified to serve the drinks at such a clubhouse.
I feel so important being here
Love ur description. Lazy and urgent. New way of describing fire rate.
This was whole lotta gun and history with operating mag feeds and ammunition' selection advisement.. In less than 10 minutes ! Excellent! 🤘
Great video as always keep up the good work
Did I just travel forward in time? Was supposed to be tomorrows video ;D
I watched this bonus vid yesterday, and now I'm all disappointed that I don't get a brand new video today. :)
1:10 that heartbroken "nooo" was gold
well we are blessed
Time travelers represent!
Hokie time travellers represent! What up?
Present at tomorrow today.😜
why
@@justarandomtechpriest1578 Why not?
Taistelukalkkuna, it's great to see you! I believe the last time was at that party Stephen Hawking hosted?
What a great lesson at the end!
You would never be able to discern that firing semi!
Ammo does make a difference!! Thanks Ian!!
Another excellent video from Ian! He never disappoints!
I have the same Mag lip problem using Owen mags in an Uzi...the Owen's angled feed differs from Uzi straight feed, so mag lips need modification
NOT mentioning removal of rear ejector tooth on Owen Mag, and mag stop, and millingnew Mag latch hole of
Honestly one of my favorite guns ever
Random gun factory: How the hell should we convince people that they shouldn’t grip the magazine of side-mag guns?
Erma: Observe.
Yes, it looks practical, functional, and for some reason aesthetically displeasing in it's offset position.
Not a one, but still fun to do. Lol! I bet that was one heck of a fun time. Jealous of your access to firearms and appreciative of your knowledge.
All of these sub guns with proper wooden stocks are some of the greatest things. Light and pointy, easy to hold and use. As long as they feed and fire reliably it's hard to find a bad one.
@ForgottenWeapons
Would the "police safety" be strong enough to stop the bolt going forward under spring pressure if it was resting on the sear? So you could carry it ready to fire, but mitigate the risk of an accidental discharge?
I was wondering the same thing during the disassembly portion of the table top video actually. Though I actually think the length of the bolt means the front face is still forward of the safety, meaning you would be unable to put it into the "Safe" position at all when the bolt is to the rear, since there's no cutout for it.
Even if it were possible, you are negating one of the main reasons for the Police Safety in the first place - keeping the ejection port closed off, to stop dirt etc, entering the gun.
@@jcorbett9620 I am aware of that, and I agree with you, that preventing the ingress of dirt and debris into the action is important. However, if we are to assume this weapon to be intended for right-handed operation as was standard for most military/police organisations of the time, it seems more practical, from my admittedly limited vantage point, to flip that safety switch with your left index or middle finger and have the bolt resting on the sear, so that you are immediately ready to fire, instead of racking the bolt. And as Ian has said in his tabletop video on this piece, it was designed before stamping was widely used in arms manufacturing, so perhaps a flat, spring-loaded dustcover was not seen as a reasonable option.
There is nowhere for the safety to go. If you look at the bolt in the disassembly video you see that there is a cutout for the safety to rotate into. No such thing for that on the front of the bolt.
@@comradecosmonaut7746 I thought the bolt retracts far enough back, so you could engage the "police safety" in front of the boltface, thereby preventing it from chambering a cartridge (and immediately fire it, fixed firing pin and all).
Thank you , Ian .
Ian never fails with the satisfying mag dump at the end.
Thought I was having a "senior moment" there, till I read the comments and realised it was a time travel thing...
Really got me at the end there. I was walking away from my computer and everything.
That cool little mag flip when he clears the malfunction...
Just got my Elbonia t-shirt. Looks great, thanks
Its the way he does it. Respectable gunnut :D
Low recoil, very much straight back into the shoulder - highly controlible.
I was waiting for this, I have never seen this smg at the range.
Why is an educational video like this demonetized? This channel is great.
I always remember this SMG from the movie "Papillon", the French troops marching the prisoners at the beginning were armed with these, walking backwards. It also seemed to be a favorite of the most unsavory elements of German security troops, SS police, etc.
Ian belongs to a rare kind of persons that absolutely nobody can dislike
At about 1:08 when ian tilts the gun something falls out which might have been the cause.of the malfunction
Needs a Suomi casket magazine.
It's nice to know that "porpoise" will be a verb in the future.
Sorry to tell you bud, but porpoise is already a verb too
TIL Porpoise IS actually a verb in English. Adding that one to the lexicon!
Hola Ian , para que te valiese para el ERMA original , deberias usar los del ERMA Valenciano , puesto que el fabricado en Valencia durante la guerra civil Española , lo era en calibre 9mm Parabellum , luego al comenzar la fabricacion del subfusil Coruña , se utilizaron muchas piezas del ERMA Valenciano, incluso los cargadores a los que se les estampo una chapa para hacer el hueco mas grande y asi que valieran para el 9mm Largo , el cargador que tenias del Coruña , no suele valer para el ERMA , las dimensiones del brocal no son iguales .Saludos desde España
Hello sir, a friend have of mine have a Spanish erma we have difficulty to ID. Could you help ?
The furniture on that carbine is beautiful👍
the experiment with the Spanish mag reminds me of when I tried to convert my yugo tokarev to 9mm using parts from various takes on the 9mm tokarev. I could probably get it to fire but it would definitely jam on the next round due to using 7.62 mags that don't feed right.
Learned a thing about good ammo and crap ammo! Thanks Ian!
Ian just expended my entire annual training budget for 9MM in this video.
Hi Ian, in fact, the Coruña 1941/44 had a model in 9pb, the magazines has got the spacer, and look so similar to this Erma EMP magazine. If you can fit a standard Spanish 9L, these in 9pb easily too
The ad that usually ends the video played BEFORE Ian's PSA.
I feel tricked, betrayed, and quite possibly bamboozled.
Meh. A trick AND a treat in the run-up to Halloween !
Its always fun to get here before the true upload.
The extra work to make that integral wooden front grip is a nice nod to ergonomics by the engineers who had to actually figure out the milling machine.
1:07 "I'm freeeeeee!"
Just a little more rearward bolt travel, slightly stronger recoil spring, or slightly weaker ammo might keep that bolt from making contact at the rear. Looks nice.
Now that's a true firearms expert, describing the cyclic rate as brum, brumm, brumm, brum, brum. I hope you don't mind if I use that technical jargon myself some day :)
I'm always extra fascinated when you make videos about weapons of Thuringian manufacturers, cause I'm a native Bratwurst.
@ 2:30 , Ian flinches confirmed.. love your vids!
By Sigmar! Shooting an EMP without german headgear.
1:06 when Ian tilts the gun is that an unspent round falling out or am i crazy?
Always watch to the end boys 😉
Shoots very well for a gun more than a century old.
Over 2,000 views and it isn't even posted yet!
Came for the gun, left with ammo knowledge. Awesome
I see sparks from the round at 5:10 .
I dont know what else to say but that looks cool
“Click...well that’s not a good start” Would not want to say that in a war!
1:07 I don't know why but a bullet fell out.
Ian, once again, shows how to shoot a sub gun on full auto. Controlled two or three round bursts.
"...and yea, did Gun Jesus make the the pronouncement of the foregrip "funky." Truly blessed are His words." Rejoice, disciples!
*My cockles are well & truly warmed!*
7:54
Like a wonky micro roni for a tec 9, that lays it over on it's side, like a foot farther away from you than it needs to be.
The most opposite of a bullpup conversion possible.
At 1.13 you were saying about the empty cartridge being held by the ejector, but at 1.08 when you have paused firing and you rotated the gun right an empty cartridge fell out possibly indicating what was about to happen.
It's really easy to see how sub guns were such a game changer in the war