Harley Davidson Trike Troubles
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2021
- NBC New York’s iTeam shared their investigative report, conducted by Chris Glorioso, with regard to Harley-Davidson Motor Company who is being sued by two injured riders, represented by The Edelsteins Faegenburg & Brown. EF&B’s Paul Edelstein emphasizes that owners should be made aware of these safety issues.
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if your talking about a Harley Davidson then why are you showing a can-am that looks nothing like a Harley?
because the media is stupid. But people still believe what they say.
I was thinking the same . Showing a Can-am reverse trike and talking about Harley. These people telling a story that they have no experience with.
That is exactly what I was thinking! I wouldn’t be happy if I was Can Am. My Can Am doesn’t knock me off of my bike!
HARLEY DAVIDSON WON'T ALLOW THEM
Because they are dumb
Just shows the incompetence of the TV or News station that put out this very misleading picture of a Can-Am’s reverse trike in the background in this bad piece of reporting.
It's the news media. They can't be bothered with details.
It just shows journalist's ignorance.
Once again, the media throws together a story without doing the due diligence. If you're going to report on Harleys, I would at least expect the picture to match the narrative... you know, that whole 'worth a thousand words' thing. For the uninitiated and uninformed, THAT BACKDROP PICTURE IS NOT THE VEHICLE THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF THE STORY. Note to Editors: Get it Right or Find a Different Job.
Right on target, John. The media also fails to mention that the brake problems are only on the newer models with all that fancy electric crap controlling the braking system. The older Trikes without that stuff are fine.
Yeah! Thats what I was thinking also!😉
...or mention that the same thing has happened with Gold Wing trikes....
Media knows nothing about anything, just put up a story and go have cocktails.
Our left wing media sucks in general.
For over 45 years of riding motorcycles I never heard of such problems with bikes, till they started putting all kinds of electrical car crap on them.
New rider here. My buddy let me ride his VROD and I was shocked it had a proximity key fob. I was like is this a Mercedes or a freakin Harley motorcycle?? lol
everything went electronic or was going down that path in 1980,all fuel injection and computer command function is based off of gm's design fromROSS PEROT'S COMPANY,OR C3 systems,fooling with the brakes on a motorcyle two or three wheel is plum dumb,disc or drum and simple mechanical lever is all that is needed,because if the driver freaks out and stabs it out of fear,he's going off the road,been riding two wheels and 3 wheels since 1966,new is not better,new is just new
Harley's implementation of ABS especially in the mobility tricycle has had issues since day one. As far as I know, it's not just those two model years. The motorcycles with ABS that started being installed around 2015 also have some issues but none that cause one wheel to lock up as far as I know. This is one more nail in H-D's coffin. They are very actively trying to go out of business.
@@franksaxton3583 hit a gravel spot on a lean, pretty sure the ABS saved my hide, was pretty darn close.All i did was straighten bike up and speed out of it.
@@orlandominichielloif you have traction control, that's more likely what saved you. Other than that you just didn't go down that time.
Harley has never built a trike with two wheels in the front. The Canam show in the title has nothing to do with Harley Davidson. How is it possible for a news agency to go so far off track ? It proves once again that reporters seldom have a clue !!
or was done by design!? not that the media would lie or try to manipulate some ones thoughts????
Actually Harley did build a reverse trike. It’s in their museum. It never went into production.
@MegaBomber1965 o, just like the 4 cylinder opposed BMW prototype. But not talking about prototypes .
Trikes and especially 2 wheeled motorcycles and scooters DO in fact run off the road on a regular basis. In fact, it is the most common motorcycle crash that involves just the rider. There are 100's of ''failure to negotiate a curve'' crashes here on youtube. In all cases the reason is rider error as in, target fixation, too much speed for the riders skill level, inability to counter steer with 2 wheeled vehicles, etc.. Whether there's a problem with H.D. trikes, I can't say. Experimentation will be needed that shows evidence of a defect. ''My trike ran off the curve'' is not evidence.
“I had to lay’er down!! 😂😂😂
I wouldn't be caught dead on a tricycle but from what I've seen so far (we had a similar fatal incident here in Oregon) these trikes are not just "running off the road". As I understand it, one wheel locks up unexpectedly and apparently without any input from the rider and the trike does a hard left or right rudder.... basically becomes a tractor with one of the treads locked. There is a well known problem with H-D ABS systems that seems to be much worse on trikes. Blaming the operator in this situation while refusing to fix the problem is a fool's game. The longer H-D ignores this, the more bodies that will pile up. Remember the Audi flaw that caused the accelerator to redline with no input from the driver and the car would crash through the garage wall? Several drivers broke bones in their foot pushing the brake pedal as hard as they could and the car just wouldn't stop. Audi finally found out the cause and wound up shelling out millions. So the MoCo can fix the $10 part that's causing this and do an immediate recall or they can pay millions in civil court. If it were me, I'd be demanding a refund. No way I'd be riding a death trap like that.
yet they show CAN AM RYKER
I bought a can-am just because of that issue.
Right 😂
Exactly 🤦♂️
Weird, right?
🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻
That is clearly a CanAm Ryker in the graphic for this story. I've only had a CanAm feeling that they were actually safer. Please don't lump us in with Harley's mistakes. Can another lawsuit be coming soon? The TV station may want to modify their graphic & make a correction on air.
I am with you on this. It was very poor reporting for them to place an image of another manufacturers 3 wheel in place of the image of the Harley Davidson. What's the matter you couldn't get HD permission to display their image!?
Before I came to the comments I went to google to see if Harley was making a CanAm style trike I didn't know about.
I agree, talk about stupid graphics, I"d be pissed if this was my product.
I was thinking the same thing. News media the enemy of the people. This lowers sales on the spider
Stupid drive by media...FTM !
Fu*k the media !
Why are you showing a Cam Am Not a Harley Trike in the picture??
Because it's the "news."
Yup, two years ago here in Austin Texas on I-35 going south bound, I saw a Harley Davidson Trike crash to the left side of the rood and hit the barrier. The man riding the Trike was lucky to survive. I personally ride motorcycles, but I don't think I'll never ride a Trike, they remained me of the Three Wheeler Hondas from the late 1970's and 1980's, many people got hurt and died by those Honda Three Wheelers.
The only way you got hurt on 3wheelers in the 70s and 80s was if you didn't know how to ride.
going to a party where there was a Honda 3 wheeler. When we got there, a girl was just leaving for the hospital with a broken arm.
I rode one twice. Scared the shit out of me and I was just on pavement. Most unstable POS I ever rode.
@@stilldajokerwell they certainly didn’t turn worth a damn!
I rode an ATC 90 for many years. Like anything, boat, airplane, automobile, snowmobile.
You have to ride within the vehicles capabilities & within your own skill level.
They turned great, you just needed to kick out the back end using arms body & power application to get the rear tires sliding.
Biggest mistake people made with them. Putting foot down, never do that. Going over backwards as they were easy to do wheelies on. Had to be careful and know how to go up steep hills safely.
Like any motor vehicle. It is up to the driver to drive it in a safe manner.
One has to question the validity of the reporting if the station graphics department can't even find a picture of a Harley Trike to put on the giant screen behind the reporters. That's a Can-Am Spyder up there. This is why I DO NOT trust broadcast news. If a story isn't written down, it's too fleeting to be worth watching.
It’s a can-am ryker not a Spyder. I have a Spyder.
@@emt343654 still a Can-am reverse trike not a Harley
I like how they show a Can Am in the back ground
Trikes act way different than motorcycles and sometimes people instinctively react as though they're on a two-wheeled vehicle and this can throw you all over the road on a three-wheel vehicle you literally have to drive a three-wheeler
Not only is the broadcaster displaying the WRONG bike in their graphics .. they should also learn how to properly spell "Brakes".
that was the "college graduate" behind the scenes who spelled it wrong.
The Two Wheels up front configuration of the Can Am is a far superior design. Massive safety features and a lot of weight up front. Riding a RTL, I ran into a squall when rounding a corner on a mountain road outside of Jackson Hole. 60 + mph winds with higher gusts, riding 2up. It threw me, 6’1” 245#, off to the mountainside of the road, my left boot heel somehow grabbed something preventing a full dismount. My wife was fine due to the pillion seating compartment with grips, armrests, etc. I quickly turned around in an attempt to outrun the storm. So, did all the other vehicle traffic that was surprised by the violent storm. racing away uphill through several inch flood water with maybe 75 feet visibility, 45-50 mph, flashers blaring, hoping we could keep from being rear ended. 23 miles later we found shelter to wait it out. Other than a “cage vehicle” I can’t think of any vehicle that we would’ve survived that.
Two months later, riding solo in the mountains in Colorado, I experienced a derecho. Similar weather conditions plus hail. Thank God I was on my Can Am.
The only thing the flashers do in those weather conditions is blind the hell out of the driver behind . Please stop using the flashers incorrectly . If I was a cop that would be my big ticket offense
Soooooo. Wow. I was first going to say rider inexperience. They definitely handle different. But wow this is b.s. Very scary
@@whdbnrm3023 Better them blind than me dead. Didn’t exactly love being passed and engulfed in a wall of rainwater.
@@maxxbenzz7842 Nothing outdoes two wheels under more normal conditions. But, these are great when things get crazy weather-wise.
@@chuckkelley5894 Them being blinded might end up killing you . Good luck and stay safe
They need to correct this report that is a CAN AM RYKER not a Harley trike, although they do show Harley’s the rest of the time and then a RYKER at the end again????
When Harley went from a Motor Company to a Corporation is when they stopped caring about the Customer or the product. It's a shame. RIP H-D!!!
best and most underrated comment. they arent the all american company they once were
Media can't do anything right
Just turn off the news folks
BRP ain’t going to happy!
My concern with this news report here in the video is that the actual video on RUclips first has a picture of a Can-Am Riker and then goes on to talk about the Harley-Davidson trike issue. I think it’s important that picture of the Can-Am Riker be eliminated and taken off of there because it provides miss information on Can-Am. It is not the Can-Am three wheelers like the spider the Ryker or the F3 that are the issue here.
You have the wrong trike in the graphic, I-diot Team 4. Otherwise interesting... I bet you do some great fact-free stories on scary black rifles too.
I've owned Harleys for decades and from many dealers and one of the prime truths of their corporate vision is...we got your cash and you're on your own unless you want to give us more.
I go to Harley dealers with the same trepidation as going to the dentist for a difficult root canal. It's gonna hurt bad and will cost me more money than it should. So I do most of the work myself.
The only cash flow they want from you is whatever they hoover out of your pockets. They will pretzel twist to weasel out of culpability for this and only when backed into a courtroom corner will they very reluctantly fork it over, with no admission of guilt whatsoever. They'll do all they can to blame the riders for these brake failures.
I've owned Harley Trikes and 2-wheelers. My current trike is 11yo so the brakes are all old school hydraulics. No ABS. Little danger of them locking up by themselves, but I'm sure they're capable of it.
The only braking guarantee is that a freight train will stop faster.
The suspension on mine is modded to take corners better but the vehicle geometry ensures it will never keep up with 2-wheelers aggressively taking tight curves. Just gotta know your Harley's limitations and they are legion. Essentially sketchy 70s engineering on a dated platform with updated tech, material and glitzy electronic ornamentation. Makes no sense to own one...but I Iove them so.
After the 10th bar it’s hard to control your motorcycle.
You should not have Can-Am as your background. Can-Am is completly different technology, nothing like the trikes you talk about. It is misleading people and it has negative effect on Can-Am brand.
and thats a Ryker made by Canam
I’m far from a mechanic but wouldn’t any wrecked vehicle that’s pretty tore up read codes that possibly might not have been there prior to being tore up? Do they store dates when the code first popped up?
CanAm, not Harley, in the back drop of the initial reporting.
I have a 17 freewheeler. Love it. yeah its different, you do a push and pull on it but it isnt any problem. Yeah you dont get stupid around curves, you use common sense. This is fear mongering. I advocate trikes, if you want one get one. Practice with it for a few days, you will get the hang of it. Ive never had any issues with my freewheeler.
I have the 2017 as well. Love riding it.
As pointed out, wrong graphic, that a Can Am Ryker
We had a TriGlidge for several years, was all good, sold it to a friend when my wife decided not to ride anymore. As for ABS brakes ... they're for new riders, there should be a switch to shut them off if you want, like on my adventure bike. I have more control with the ABS shut off. I have had my Harley bagger rear brake over heat and stop working... that was tense.
I work on BMW R1200C and the ABS is known to go out so much that people are pulling them off.
@@victorwperry7738 There was a production stop on BMW because of brake parts
That picture in the background made the anchors look ignorant about their knowledge in the news they were reporting.
You mean these people never wrote a tricycle as a child? If they had they would know that they topple over sideways.
It's crazy that they use an image of a safer 3 wheel vehicle and then proceed to talk about Harley Davidson's ejection seat labeled as a trike. The U.S. outlawed 3 wheel ATVs in 1988 because they knew of their inherent danger because of handling problems and risk of ejection type crashes. If you crash a trike going forward, you will most likely be high-sided and thrown far from the vehicle. CAN-AM Ryker or similar vehicles that have the one wheel in back configuration, do not have this issue.
I’ve seen loads of these and they seem to do well in all kinds of road conditions. Trikes demand a different mind set going into a corner but it’s hardly rocket science. A bad traction control system should be non intrusive. It controls the brakes and if it gets it wrong it’s right there at the heart of control.
The problem is if the rider is forced to turn sharp to prevent getting hit or run over. Ill take 2 wheels any day. I had a ATC back in the day and so did my wife’s family….
A Canam is not a Harley, get your research correct.
Of course one does have to ask why you would do a story about faulty Harley operations and show pictures of a Can-Am three-wheel motorcycle...and it matters because the engineering behind an HD trike and a Can-Am trike are VERY different! All three-wheel motorcycles are not created equal
I'm still waiting on my trike recall kit to be delivered to HARLEY DAVIDSON for my 2019 FREEWHEELER but they say its for the brake light recall that has been reported as staying on
Surprised they didn't get sued by BRP/Can-Am. Harley Tri-glide is nothing like a reverse trike.
Steve K - 1) credibility of the researchers is at questions based on a Can Am Graphic and "break" spelling of brake.
2) Its really difficult to determine if its the bike, or if its rider error (say one wheel was on dirt/stones/grease).
3) Its not fair to take fail codes off a un-repaired motorcycle which is what they appear to be doing. A bike beat up like that is going to throw LOTS of error codes.
Some say the rear axle bearings fail or bind up. I had the trike for two years and it takes a lot of upper body work to control it . Got tired and sold it for a road king.
I'm 75 and on two wheels, if my wife doesn't want to ride with me she can stay home and I will enjoy the ride even more. No one tells me what to buy or ride!
Get a Ducati no Vespa or Harley man up
I think that last line was what she said.
I have a 2022 and still have brake problems and I have not gotten any thing from Harley about a recall
how come they show a CAM AM in the news studio
As the saying goes: “The only possible product that Harley Davidson could make that DOESN’T SUCK would be a vacuum cleaner”!
On a vehicle as unstable as a trike. I've ridden work pedal tricycles, and they turn horribly. Why would they give each wheel an individual brake? Why would they not use a single brake for the rear axle? It would be more than enough stopping power, and increase stability when engaging the rear brake... Am I wrong?
I have been riding for 46 years and I have no use for anti-lock brakes on a bike. My 2016 road king has that feature and it makes me nervous.
I agree , the photo shown is a Can-am , which having 2 front wheels is better stabilized while riding and turning corners . Turn a corner on a 3 wheeler Harley and you may end up getting tossed off !
Lets talk about zebras and show the picture of a horse
Do which model is the one having the troubles. The one they show at the beginning and end or the one in the video. Also I wonder how much operator error was involved. Experienced riders do make mistakes and some because of age should not even be behind any motorized vehicle period. Reaction time, balance and concentration all diminished with age.
If I was BRP I'd sue this TV station for false representation. They are doing a story on Harley-Davidson trikes, yt they are using a photo of a Can Am Ryker. That's messed up.
LOL... so the news cannot find a photo of a HD Trike so they use a Can-Am Ryker more fake or misleading photos from the lamestream media... I've owned Can-Am Ryker's and Spyder's and have never had an issue with braking or breaking I guess that says Canadians know how to put together a trike better than HD. Don't get me wrong I road a HD FLHS as my first bike for years before going and getting my Japanese Baggers which never breakdown.
God bless you Mr Harold & miss Laura.
Geez if you are gonna do a report put the RIGHT EFFING BIKE UP!! And a 3 wheeler handles way different than 2 wheels! There's a learning curve & most wrecks are from going too fast, & improper breaking.They don't corner like 2 wheels!
If I were Can-Am , you guys would be in serious legal trouble. Who was responsible for researching the image, write them up!
The video has been removed from the station's website because of the screw up.
Never once had a issue on mine with 43K now
Got a 16 freewheeler, still riding it.
Never got a recall notice on mine
Yes, centrifical force is a bitch, a motorcycle leans into the force, helping you stay on, a trike flat turns
Hey NBC put an incendiary device in one to show they burn.
Why do you have a can am bike in the picture and your talking about Harley Davidson.
How many miles were on the bikes when the rear brakes locked up. Before or after the recall was done. Mine has 13k and was wondering.
just disconnect your ABS and you will be fine.
First off as usual with so called mainstream media “news” they do not know what they are talking about, they say Harley Davidson but clearly show a Can Am. Secondly, riding a trike is of course different than a bike, you must take your turns slower. I’m guessing people with little to none riding experience are buying trikes and riding past their capabilities.
Why do they have a picture of a Can Am Ryker? A Ryker is not a trike. It is a roadster.
Gilma get your facts straight the story is about a Harley Davidson trike yet you poster with the NY 4 I team logo depicts a Can Am Ryker. This is not what your story is about. I resent you lack of attention to detail to your story. You a slandering a company not involved in this story. It is tragic that someone was hurt, but you just hurt can am and the Ryker name. I myself have a Ryker you need to make a public apology to all those who drive Can Am Rykers and you may be lucky enough not to be sued for slander by Can Am. I intend to bring this to their attention if they haven’t already seen this story.
The picture is a can am spider,not a trike, lol
Why put an image of a CanAm Ryker on a report related to a Harley trike? Are these people that incompetent? It's a sad story and deserved a proper report not the slapped together mess the media outlet dumped on us
3 Wheeler atvs were outlawed 20 years ago. Accidents usually due to operator error.
Harold crashed his trike after knowing it had defective brakes and killed his woman Now he's suing, so much for American motorcycles
Well, I'm glad I ride a Can-Am Spyder. I have no worries at all. I have a 2009 Can-Am Spyder and rode 1100 miles just last month with my wife. I can even ride at 105 mph without any wobbling or swaying. I bet you can't do that on a Harley Davidson trike. This News station should have used a Harley instead of a Ryker though.
You would lose that bet, I put over 19k miles on my trike last year with multiple times over 100 on it and it was stable as can be.
The Harley trike is almost as old as Harley itself, People don't understand this type of trike is inherently dangerous and has always been that. Was used by the police and military since WWII for sure. It's not a 2 wheeler and can't be ridden like one.
Total misinformation by the mainstream media. The thumbnail is a CanAm Ryker, not a Harley.
The problem I’m seeing is the way these riders are projecting their errors on the manufacture!
You are a great example of why I would hate to have a jury trial. By all means don't let the facts interfere with your expert opinions. We have ten seconds so spare. Why don't you tell us all everything you know about Harley's implementation of ABS technology on trikes.
@@franksaxton3583 awe are you mad someone holds a differing opinion!! What a sad little life, reading comments from a year ago! God Bless!
A bad ABS module can behave erratically, making your brakes lock up even under normal braking. You might even notice unusual behavior from the brakes, like random clicking noises. These can also indicate ABS module failure. The most common ABS problems occur when sensors become contaminated with debris or metal shavings. Malfunctions also occur when sensor wiring becomes damaged, resulting in intermittent or no continuity. Hopefully you can read that in ten seconds…. Wtf does 10seconds have any to do with any of this? Plus a jury? Are you against the rule of law and justice? Please reference my sad life statement again! Have a great day!
Why do they show a can am during the newscast?
BTW: putting the two wheels in the back is idiotic.
why are they showing a can am ryker? NOT A HARLEY, DUH!
Why the can am? This must be the “Eye missed it news report”
Not sure about the reason but, if they are using “drive by wire” where there isn’t actually a “rider controlled” braking system, I’d say that is definitely or could be a problem.
I want actual cables controlling the brakes where I can control the amount of pressure applied not some computer.
Why are they showing a Can Am Ryker they are nothing like the Harley's
Why show a Can Am Ryker?
Adding my .02 as a one-time triglide owner. If you flip a trike, find another hobby. If you take a corner too fast that leads you off-road, take a bike-riding course. And lastly, bikes, like cars, are needlessly over complicated.
This has happened on two wheel models with ABS.
Slightly irresponsible piece of journalism. The story is about Harley Davidson trukes, and you use a picture of a Can Am Ryker reverse trike in the studio? Not smart.
This is how much the news gets it incorrect, the bike pictured is a Can Am. I have a Streetglide and a Fatboy Lo. But i also own a Can Am and it's waaaaay more stable than any trike with one wheel up front. Mine has abs and traction control. So much that if you make a turn to fast and lift a front wheel, the computer senses it and pushes the wheel down and slows the bike down. Don't listen to Curt, a Can Am is no childs bike.
What would Ralph Nader think. Not buying a Trike anytime soon, but still enjoy my Harley.
You people keep on showing a picture of a Can Am when commentators talk
No trouble with the Honda trikes?
Did anybody notice on the lead-in it shows a can am silhouette.
That picture is of a Ryker, NOT a Harley. MSM at it again!!
That’s pretty poor reporting, to have a Can Am Ryker on the opening picture to a story like this.
Good grief, look at the wheel configuration.
How was this not obvious ?
I'd say the ABS malfunctioned.
CanAm should sue the hell out of them because the story is harley with a pic of CanAm
Could WNBC-TV possibly be any more irresponsible? That is clearly a Can-Am Ryker on their banner. Way to show that your 'journalism' has zero credibility!!! A Ryker and a HD Trike only share one feature, and that is that they both have three wheels and even then they do not sit on the same layout. I had a Can-Am Ryker for two years and it was a great ride. Your irrseponsibility will scare off people from experiencing the fun of a Ryker.
Harley Davidson don't even give customers a oil drip pan when you purchase a Harley, And a Recall on top of that?
Trikes are dangerous in general they don’t handle like a regular vehicle. Imo they shouldn’t even make them the drivers need to have fast reflexes, know what to do if you loose control really a level that a racer is at but most people driving them have trouble driving a 2 wheeler. I’m not blaming the drivers I feel very bad for the people injured or killed I’m just saying they are dangerous! They also shouldn’t Have put abs brakes on a 3 wheeler of anything
That's just trikes in general as Can-Am riders are having the same problems with their Can - Am trikes as when the drivers attempt to corner fast the GeForce tries to throw them off as they can't Corner unlike conventional Motorcycles.
A trike is not a motorcycle, don't ride it like one. I am sorry for this mans loss.
Two wheels make a motorcycle
Three wheels
Make A tricycle!
Why not show a Harley Trike in your introduction to the story?
hot dog riders ?......I have a trike....very safe, learn how to ride it
Having owned several Haleys since 1970 and even having owned several Harley Davidson trikes, I have never experienced any problems whatsoever with the brakes or otherwise. It must be said that I myself am a mechanic and all the years I changed the brakes myself and I maintained my bike properly. So sorry to watch videos of this kind which as much as me is sensionalism and it is to believe that there are companies which are interested in depreciating a big mark which is Harley Davidson. We must stop making sentionalism and questioning the right people.
how many of your trikes had ABS? ABS is the problem here.
Harley never made a trike till recently. They did years ago make what was known as a servicar, they also had sidecars. Funny they used to tell people turning their bike into a trike wasn’t safe. I wonder how different the trikes are from the Leman trikes and others they claimed weren’t safe!
Wow The picture is of a can am Ryker not a freaking Harley Davidson trike 😔