Arcade monitor swap, CRT to LCD - Brad Tratzinski
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- Опубликовано: 16 янв 2015
- In this video we will take the screen out of a dead Guerrilla War cabinet and replace it with an LCD computer monitor.
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Almost cried when I heard that the screen was dead... another brother lost to age. Goodbye sweet crt, we will miss you.
I had a recent death with a Hanatrex monitor in my Arkanoid cocktail machine. Every time upon turning it on, the horizontal sync was off, causing a very curved, constantly shaking, double image. You could always fix it by adjusting one of the knobs on the chassis, but it would return in about 45 minutes, or whenever it was turned on again. One day when I was adjusting the picture, the picture slowly shrunk until nothing was left and it has yet to come back. It was sad to actually watch it die. But on top of those issues, the chassis was corroded in certain areas, likely from leaky capacitors, and there was pretty bad permanent burn in of the Arkanoid title screen. I will certainly miss it, but I'll probably get the same converter used in this video and try using a CRT PC monitor.
No…. I can fix the k7000 chassis easy
way to go man! I'm going to do this same thing to my turbo outrun machine which is missing the color Red among other things. If these loser trolls want to bash me for replacing a broken CRT with a working LCD monitor they can go ahead and pay pal donate me $200+ to get a new CRT put in and install it for me as well. In the mean time i'll do what i want also with MY OWN FREAKING PROPERTY. Thank you very much. Great video!
must mention i love CRTs (own 3 of them at the moment). But i love money more, and this route saves RIDICULOUS amounts of money and time.
Thanks Billy! I'm with you man. It is your property and it is a matter
of opinion. The trolls can suck my balls!! I love LCD in game cabinets.
Even though I prefer cabinets with it's original screen, I have no problem with an LCD conversion. Purists will go on about phosphorous glow, and smoother edges, but the truth is: it just doesn't matter as long as you enjoy it. It's your arcade, and you gave it a new life by changing the monitor. For me that's far more important.
It does matter. Resolution, display, the fact that the graphics were designed specifically with a crt in mind.
Go play a sega genesis on your modern tv, you'll see very quickly why its sub par
Purists my ass if I have an arcade I want the real thing otherwise what’s difference running a bunch of emulators in your PC!? Stupid comment
Along with dropping the weight 200lbs.
@@dooganchode9447 if the CRT is broken, and a replacement costs $5,000, I'm just going to throw a 24 in LCD in there. I know that it looks worse, but I'd rather play my arcade than not
its gonna matter when you go to sell it
Folks it's dude's game....it's a handy video for folks who's old monitor has died. I appreciate the content. However...saying that an lcd can replace a crt....it cannot(not addressing the content provider here). Scanlines are not the only effect(and IMO it's the least important thing about crt)....phosphor glow that smooths out the jaggies and gives the game that "pop" off the screen is what's lost when going to lcd. Old games look harsh and jaggied out on an lcd. Also, latency is non-existent on a crt and on an lcd it's pretty high in comparison. On those old games, which are always pretty brutal it's definitely something that can effect gameplay. Still think this video is handy for folks who's monitor has died, thanks for the content! Even old console systems look better on a tube tv than a new one. I keep an old school tv for my Ataris and classic nintendos.
Thanks for posting, giving me ideas on how to resurrect my TRS-80 in the back of my closet with a dead CRT and no source for replacement. Prefer to stay cosmetically correct while modifying it to be useful again.
My Ghosts 'n' Goblins cabinet has been sat for years fired it up today to find CRT is now Duff but your vid has shown me the light cheers. J
its the monitors caps,get them replaced and it will work,its cheap to get it fixed,and is alot better than an lcd
A LCD could be a downgrade in picture quality on a lot of old games because of the way pixels are handled.
Unfortunately it is getting very hard to find replacement parts and CRTs for certain arcade boards.
they are a downgrade my local arcade has one they converted it removes the crt feel and looks kinda bad
Thanks Brad. Very helpful! Wanted to do the same and looking for a 2 button 2 player vertical game. Any suggestions on cabinets to look out for?
this is super helpful! now i can repair my Mortal kombat arcade machine. Thanks!
Great video. Question....using that PC monitor ..which I am assuming is one that the adjustment and power button on the front face...do you just have to remove the plexi and other layers if you need to make any adjustments? I am having a dilemma deciding if that is something I want to do if I go with PC monitor as a replacement
Great video! Great way to replace a monitor! Looks good!
Thanks for posting this. I plan on salvaging a cabinet that has nothing inside it and I have a few LCD panels.
This was very helpful. I needed to take out a CRT monitor and replace it with a LCD in an original Arkanoid game. The CRT seemed to work momentarily, but slowly shorted out (included causing smoke coming from under the flyback transformer on the motherboard) so replacing it with a 19" kit from Amazon was necessary.
I would input that knowing what wires go to which wires was something to go look up also. This forum post was helpful: forums.arcade-museum.com/archive/index.php/t-265260.html They are essentially Red, Blue, Green, Ground (black) and Sync. Yellow is not used in my game. Anything that's not red, blue, green, yellow or black goes to the same sync line.
Now if I can just get the spinner working or replaced.... Wish me luck!
Thank for the video. My favorite part is changing the RGB to VGA at 19:00 . I have always wanted to know how to do that. Thank you.
Me too. Makes sense now.
Great vid! One question, I have to do the same thing, but not sure about the power supply? I have a power brick on the bottom of my cab and was told you just hook it up to the power plug wires from the monitor or lcd screen. Thoughts? Thanks!
Wow! That came out great!
Could you technically replace a convex screen from an old CRT monitor with a new flatscreen and use it for the higher CRT refresh rates? In games that require more refresh rate? say 150 Hz?
Awesome! I want to do this to my 720! I heard it will make it more valuable and energy efficient!
Games are for enjoying however the owner wants. It's not about cash value but enjoyment value.
Plus this is completely reversible.
Mame Addicts I have an empty Bad Dudes vs Dragon Ninja that I will be converting to a MAME Cabinet. Thanks for watching! Cheers!
+Brad Tratzinski hi ive been meaning to get into this is like I particurlarly would enjoy plain games like Mario bros, ghost and goblins street fighter 1-3 gradius and such! Its like grease monkeys but for arcades instead of cars! :) im guessing I need some electronics school my dream is fully repair genuine arcade monitors or anything that's close to that please help!?
Great video! doing the same to my mat mania challenge game.
Finally, a CRT to LCD conversion done right. Not a hackjob! Well done. The only thing I'd do to improve it is to add a scanline generator (SLG). There are some on e-bay which go for about 20 bucks and give it some authenticity. It simply plugs in between the VGA connections.
Scanlines are only a small part of what makes a crt monitor look correct for those vintage arcades. It's the phosphor glow of a crt that smooths out the jaggies and gives the old games that glow. This is the most important thing about the old games on a crt monitor.
Do you have a sheet sheet on what wires to solder on the motherboard when you swap to the new lcd?
Great video - thx bro! . Is it programmed, så that the picture is flipped 90 degrees pr default ?
This was a lot of help to boost my confidence but my Ms. PacMan machine was nothing like yours. After buying three different monitors on eBay... I finally got a Dell 19” 4:3 ratio. It turns out I already had a Janna card in my machine but I bought a VGA converter anyway, so decided it use it. I still cannot figure out where the yellow and gray wires go (vert/horizontal) and the very top line of text is nearly all cut off. Besides that, the plastic trim that is concave to match the CRT is not tight, but the video quality is amazing and makes me love the arcade machine so much more!
Now I wish I had kept my upright Defender machine. It may have been a while until those RGB converter boards and LCD monitors came along (I sold it in 1997 for $80), but I could have really used one of those converter boards.
Nice cabinet. Did you get the buttons and joysticks separately or did they come with the machine? Those joysticks are tough to come by. How about the artwork on the sides and bezel?
It came complete with an extra joy stick. The only thing I had to do was to fix the display.
All the art work looks great. I lucked out on this one.
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the video buddy!
i love this, going to do this to one of my arcade machines.
Would you be able to give me advice on converting a championship Sprint to a VGA monitor? I cannot get it to sync with the conversion board we usually use. Thanks for any help you can provide!
Awesome video man love the work
Arcade Obsessed Sweet! Thanks for watching!
No probs man plus I subbed
Hey Brad, I have an NFL Blitz Arcade. I am swapping out the CRT for a 1080p Acer Monitor (does HDMI/VGA). Do I need to discharge the CRT for safety before I attempt to handle it? If so, what ways do you recommend? Secondly, which video convertor board should I get to handle HDMI?
Hope you can help!
Thank You
Amazing work brother
Are you powering the video converter with a 5v or 12v cable? Cuz i'm having a hard time getting mine to power on.
great video it turned out awesome
Great video! I am in process of upgrading my Ms Pac Man cocktail table unit. What model number monitor did you use for your upgrade?
I can tell you off the top of my head but, any 4:3 monitor should work as long as it is the correct size.
As for Ms. Pac-Man I believe that is a 19" monitor
I have an old SNK P.O.W. with a crappy screen, Had the game at least 13 years and will do just what you did. thanks, may bug you later if I run into a question.
Great restoration! Dig the metal too \m/
Do you have any other arcades?
This's great I have to do this to my raiden cabinet.
please dont
I love my Raiden machine.. Been rock solid for years and years and years.. Great monitors.. I swap it out to a 60 and 1 pcb at times.. The cabinet is a great one for 60 in 1 as well.. But nice to go back to Riaden at times as well.. Great game..
May I know if it's possible just plug the 5-pin video connector on the jammar harness directly to the video converion board?
I know this is was years ago. But is the a video converter Part number that will do this for my Joust Game? I am seriously wanting to do this and want to get a conversion kit for mine.
Do you leave your monitor on all the time? Or have a way to turn the monitor on and off with the computer?
Real nice Brad! Looks like you had to leave the monitor always powered on even while not playing. Anyway to power on/off along with PCB or main switch? I had to give up trying to find a replacement Sharp picture tube...went through 3 TV teardowns before deciding to go LCD. My converters come in Tuesday so hope to have running Wednesday. My Dell 1901FP fit right in to my original Midway 1943 monitor frame. Like yours only have a little depth on the screws, but should be fine. I looked at 20in 4:3 formats monitors but could not find any that fit the my frame. Keep the videos coming!
+Kelvin Borthwick Thanks for watching! The LCD that I used remembers the last power state that it was in when unplugged, so I just used a power strip to plug the cabinet and the new monitor into. At this point I removed the leads from the cabinet switch and just directly connected them so the main board is always in the on position. I then wired the switch from the power strip to the switch on the cabinet so that everything still comes on and shuts off with one switch taken from the power strip. Does this crazy talk make any sense? I'll do a video for you on this subject if you are interested. Cheers!
Brad
This is a good upgrade to do when the picture tube decides to take a shit on you.
Im looking for some help on my jamma board for Golden tee 97 arcade model , the volume was not hooked up and as i tried to hook it up i have no volume pot to adjust it and when i hook it direct to a speaker in the cabinet its full blast , and wiring diagram or help would be appreciate , thank you
I have basic knowledge of cab wiring. Was this hard to wire? My monitor went on my MVS and I’ve been looking for a solution.
How do you wire a lcd monitor to the power supply? I currently have to use a remote to power it on and off. Thanks
Thinking of buying ive with actual guns. Just don't know how I would go about considering the gun aiming system.
Great job
I'm doing an old Atari gauntlet conversion right now. For the conversion board, do all the colors match for wiring it in?
Most likely not. I would reference the service manual for the video pinout. Cheers!
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Awesome video
awesome cabinet
Nice project. You might want to add and SLG3000 for those nice looking scanlines though.
Sweet tip! I didn't know about this product. I must check this out.
Thanks for watching! Cheers
Man you have to get the SLG 3000
On an LCD it makes it absolutely Crisp with scanlines
I have it on my cab
Good call hellocomics in the slg
Check out Arcadeforge arcadeforge.net/SLG3000:::3.html
thanks for the video. But how do I know if my arcade console is compatible? I had to remove the old monitor and want to use a vga -monitor. The game is called Roadblaster. There is a 6wire connection and a 5wire connection.
hey, nice conversion, just wanted to ask, what LCD did you use and is it a multisync monitor??
as im looking to put an LCD in a donkey kong cabinet due to the fact that the CRT is toast, a friend of mine also has a MAME cabinet but would like to run the games at their native resolution since he has the arcadeVGA card for the PC system but not the right monitor
dude just fix the crt tube thats in the donkey kong cab,it will look a million times better than an lcd and will hold a hell of alot more value on the cab.its usually just a cap kit thats needed to fix those monitors.you will NEVER run arcade games in their native resolution with a lcd flatscreen,no matter what vid card you have,trust me keep the tube.
Not in this case. First off the screen was burnt pretty badly(no fixing
burnt). I replaced the caps, the flyback, adjusted the yoke and it still
looked like complete garbage. IT WAS DEAD!!
Nice job but i think you should replace your shroud with a plastic one from arcadeshop
awesome vid!!
Hi there, What was the name of the RGB converter you was using?
i have a crt tv the tube is becoming week and until i find another replacement would this work??
How did you rig it up where it all turns on at the same time? I can’t find an example of how to do that. Can someone please assist me?
I have been looking at an old arcade game that has been for sale for awhile that the CRT is bad, wasn't sure how to convert it...TY I will be buying it now!...lol
thanks mate, can give any suggestion lcd/led monitor for 29 inch, i have sega astro city that have the same issue as you..
Game Folks Just do some googling. Thanks for watching!
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo..
Seriously.
THIS. LCDs are such shit. lol
Where did you pick up the video conversion board?
Hey man what do you use to clean your top Perspex screen and do you notice the Perspex scratches easily does yours
Arcade Obsessed It does scratch easy. I take an empty Windex bottle and use about a teaspoon of dish washing liquid and fill the rest with water. Give it a good shake and your ready to rock!
Awesome mate and thanks for your quick reply I really appreciate it
Great job and very cost effective. Ive done this but found a cheap arcade monitor. But when it dies ill be going backnto lcd.... :(
I wish we had a local arcade geek around my area I have 3 arcades myself and I'm finding some troubles with one of them :(
Whats your area
New Hampshire
Brad Tratzinski not you
Oscar Hernandez him
Can you tell me what video converter you used? Was it a plug and play or did it need a power source?
It needs it's own power supply. 9v I believe.
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Awesome. Thanks Brad.
Great video! My Pole Position crap monitor just died. Going to have to try this route but have no damn idea what wires to tap into...
Thanks! This is all you need...
www.arcade-museum.com/manuals/
Can someone tell me a good place to buy a CRT replacement for my Joust upright?
How would you power on the monitor if you put the bezel and glass back on?
The monitor remembers it's last power state.
I put one of these 19 inch monitors in a taito rally bike and picture keeps jumping around once every 20 seconds n not syncing booting up with all green screen or square image.. What am i doing wrong?
do you know how to make the screen light up on a ms pacman machine?
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how do get the sound to work, because the lcd monitor have a connection plug for the speakers?
I didn't have to worry about audio for this game as the sound is separate from the video. The PCB has individual sound and video output. I just used the video out to the monitor with the converter.
I have a 98 arachnid dart machine and the monitor went out what do I need to do to put a LCD monitor in it
Is the picture any better?
Music has a kick ass Tool vibe!
I was wondering if it would be better to play with a CRT TV vs LCD when playing M.A.M.E emulator!
Or what could be the best of both worlds, while choosing a graphic card and LCD?
thx
CRT is better all day every day, LCD is rubbish with old games
It really is the users preference.
I like LCD myself. There is no wrong screen type to use.
As for a graphics card and MAME.... If you are not playing 3D games on-board video may be enough for the job depending on the Motherboard.
CRT all the way for these old arcade games.
Opinion
MAME will be able to up the resolution and won't really matter.. Anything you play will look fine on it.. I emulate and play Mario Kart Arcade GP 1 and 2 both at high resolutions and look great on anything you play it on.. Old school games will look fine on LCD with MAME.. It's only when you take a 80's classic really and try to just put in a LCD , Not MAME'd that you will see a difference.. I have a 512 in 1 that also allows 1024X768 VGA and it looks fine on a computer monitor.. Just really depends on what you are doing and what you want to acheive.. And for the most part after you make your decision tell the others to kiss your ass... That's normally how it goes..
if you don't know how to fix it have someone else do it for you that wg4900 if repaired has more operational hours left in it than any NEW lcd om the market . plus its taboo and looked down on in more advanced arcade collecting circles
Who gives af what is "looked down" on, if its yours, do what you want with it. as a sub, I expected more from you.
Nick Pierson hey man everything I said is true and I said it with respect. it's like an old car some people like custom hotrods and some don't and thats up to them.
LCDs are shit and look like garbage
absolute garbage
This video made me sad :(
Yeah, it happens.
I love it.
How did you wire the converter to the game console
Luckily I haven't had to do this yet. I was able to fix or get fixed any monitor problems. However, one day, we all my need to convert to LCD.
What model number Acer monitor was that? Thanks
Where do you get the video converter board?
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have a question have a raiden 2 cab and monitor is shot screen burn and collapse going to put in 60 in 1 board if I install a lcd monitor how would I power it own every time the game gets UN plugged
Most PC monitors will remember the last power state. So if it is on when unplugged, it should just come on when plugged back in.
mine won't just gonna install a TV with remote
just checked extra monitor i had in my sons room and it doesn't power cycle off when unplugged thank you for saving me $100
where do i find that converter at
where did you get that converter?
Dealing with capkits and pulling the monitor's out and figuring stuff out sucks. I was a purist and still am a bit but don't mind an LCD in place of a crt.
How would you compare the video quality using the CGA-to-VGA converter versus a decent quality cab CRT? Or it compared to what it would look like running MAME from a PC?
I have two cabs with horrible monitors, even if I put new caps in them they've got some extremely bad burn in. Buying 2 new CRTs is a much more expensive option than slapping in 2 used LCD monitors.
+MisterAzathoth You don't get the scan lines like an original cab, but It looks great in my opinion. I'm using 5ms monitors and I love it.
I sure hope you are recycling the old chassis and tube. Please don't throw away give to local arcade geek.
Sam McNear I recycle 100% Cheers!
Thanks for watching!
@@BradTratzinski i hope you dont mean actually recycle. You're a monster if you didnt at least sell it
What about adapt a new crt on these? Isn’t possible? I mean a pvm or even Sony trinitro. Lcd usually looks crap
Well that brought the value down for that arcade. Big time. 🤦🏽♂️
Try sourcing those CRTs and you will see eventually most of these will end up being LCD.
Just got my converter and want to attempt this..one problem though, the harness is missing one wire..any ideas?.
Pictures?
ruclips.net/video/nkRRtPxt62c/видео.html at 1:18 mark
This dude ruined NOTHING. I have bunch of games with dead monitors, as much as it pains me to go LCD you know what, the spirit of the game is still there. Not everyone has access to a cache of old monitors to pull from or the skills or network to repair them. I'll be going this route on a few games in my collection that are not super collectable that are still fun to play. For the "A" titles I'll still likely keep the monitors in them. Brad, could you provide a link to the converter you used? Nice work on this one.
What are your "A" titles?
These games were made for 15 kHz CRT. If you want to keep authentic cabinets why get rid of the most important part? If you want easy way just stick with emulators on your laptop...
Hello friend, I'm sorry spelling mistakes. I have a question: I bought a pc / tv and I'm playing the emulator mame games in a tube tv adapter (crt) the image in the upper corners were crooked, as if I had stretched only the top of the screen ... do not know to do ... you have been through this? what can i do? thank you!
Diogo Vieira Hey Diogo, Check the pc/tv device or the tv for TILT, SKEW, and PINCH settings. This should resize your picture just the way you need it. Also try resetting the pc/tv device and the tv. I hope this helps.
Cheers!
Thanks for watching!!
Lol watching on my phone. I now see the miss pacman back there lol.
I liked that game.... it was a Ikari Warriors variant.
Dude that was a most excellent mod ... I have Vie_AR Kung Fu arcade game and the monitor is totally fried. I found an Acer monitor to fit it but I guess my question is where do I find a coverter board like what you used for the video feed? Thanks for any info and keep up the great vids!! - Hal
You can get them on eBay. check this out. pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=271983319926&alt=web Thanks for watching!
Thanks man appreciate the help!
BTW I got a chance to buy Space Invaders. Everything works but the monitor is blown ... you think its worth $125 to buy it?
Cool! As long as the cab is in good shape.. I would go for it.
Don't listen to these 'purest' who shame you for replacing the CRT with an LCD monitor... there are times when finding a replacement CRT or repairing one just isn't an option... and not every job has to be a "original restoration". Besides, with a crisp LCD monitor, you can probably see color and detail that wouldn't have even been possible on the tube screen... Some clunkheads just scrap a whole game when their CRT craps out... at least you installed some (somewhat) modern technology and allowed your game to live on... nice work.
Everyone has their own opinion, as long as I enjoy it, that is all that matters.
Thanks for watching and the support!
Thanks again Brad, you will have saved me some bucks when I get mine running with a good picture. It works for me, again thanks. 25+ year collector. Jeff
You might as well just play mame on your computer
what size and brand of monitor did you use?
I just used an old 4:3 19" Acer monitor.
There is an arcade in the city north of me in which their owners are gutting the CRTs out of their cabinets and replacing all of them with LCD screens. Out of the several games they have, only their 80s classic arcade cabinets like Galaga, Ms. Pacaman and Donkey Kong are actually authentic.
The two KI cabinets they have are clearly gutted frames with LCD monitors, a PC board, and a printed marquee.
It's disgusting to me to pay 15 dollars for free play on gutted arcade cabinets. I went there in may and beheld an original Ghosts N' Goblins cabinet, and when I came back there yesterdy - Gutted. LCD monitor. No game in it...just a hollow cabinet.
Go up front and he's ripping a CRT out of an operation wolf cabinet.
Never going back there again.